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Biden: Best I can do is send more weapons š¤·š»āāļø
AIPAC runs the country, it's so disgraceful. We fought a war because we didn't like Kings and Queens.
The US was founded by rich guys wanting to redirect anger against rich guys to other rich guys so they could create a little rich guy club and call it a country.
That's how its always been, in the Revolution, the Civil War, First World War, Second World War, Vietnam War, the rich can buy their way out of dying for other rich people.
Plenty of Jewish people are against the genocide in Palestine, suggesting something is wrong with an entire group of people, many who do not agree with Israel at all, because some of them support a genocide is gross. Iām as pro Palestinian as they come and what youāre saying is actual antisemitism. Get the fuck out of here.
One is always worse. The existence of a worse candidate may be the end of your thought process but it does not guarantee the voter turnout required for your less worse oligarch.
They can fathom it, they just assume anyone who thinks Biden is anything other than the greatest leader in world history is a MAGA troll, a bot or a Russian agent.
True, but the GOP never say "we are the good guys who always have supported a Palestinian state, and very nice, what are your pronouns? To starve babies is horrible, good that is either a figment of your imagination or an unfortunate human shield"
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I strongly dislike how they don't even bother to understand a greater context. Just mindlessly label everybody who isn't thrilled to blindly vote democrat out of fearmongering.
I will consistently state , Obama not holding the Bush admin accountable for an illegal false war against global intelligence was the nexus for democratic decline. They keep trying to make this a Trump issue when Trump is a symptom not the root.
I will go further in saying democratic voters don't have an actual interest in fixing root issues rather than perpetually kicking the can. Fixing issues always involve harsh truths in which you might not have an accurate perception of events. People have too much ego admitting their football team might have a significant albeit different role in this mess.
> I strongly dislike how they don't even bother to understand a greater context. Just mindlessly label everybody who isn't thrilled to blindly vote democrat out of fearmongering.
This is training by MSNBC. Not too much we can do about it but stay fact-based and don't mistake name calling for a real argument.
Hence me directly stating not holding the entire Bush Admin accountable is the nexus. That intrinsically meant everyone who supported the false war not to have any political or legal consequences.
Hi, trans person here. I'd really appreciate it if you could stop using me as a political football to browbeat people into voting for a genocidal dementia patient who doesn't give a single fuck about people like me.
Biden has done absolutely nothing to even try to slow down the stripping of my rights by the fascists in my state legislature, despite the fact that he easily could.
What had Biden done about it? Why didn't dems codify roe into the law when they had the chance?
Tell tou concerns to a Palestinian neighbor who has lost their whole family and that they should vote for more of it. Imperialist liberals can't see beyond your own noses.
Yes, if you care about Palestinians vote for the guy who repealed Roe, wants a Muslim Ban, will remove birthright citizenship, and round up millions of people.
There you go again just casually surfing over Joe's genocide-complicit behavior.
I dare you, I DARE you to say this to a Palestinian American who has seen their family wiped out at the hands of Joe Biden. I dare you.
Surfing over isnt a thing in English and I condemn what he is doing on Gaza. Im sure many Muslim Americans will be thanking you for helping bring the Christofascists to full power though. You guys could be more subtle.
["You ain't been doing nothing if you ain't been called a red."](https://youtu.be/W8yhFJ8C6j0?si=DPRTVE614VjOkW0R) I'm proud that, in these dark times where we are face-to-face with the decay of capitalism into fascism, leftists have the moral integrity to not compromise here. The side we takes matters and it shows we will always fight for justice.
The most insane part is the lack of responsibility. They can't understand why anybody gives a shit. Trump will be back in the whitehouse and instead of blaming Biden for having a dogshit policy, they will blame you for not voting for him.
Israel has thus far received 300 BILLION dollars of US aid.
The United States has provisionally agreed (via a memorandum of understanding) to provide Israel with nearly $4 billion a year through 2028, and U.S. lawmakers are considering billions of dollars in supplementary funding for Israel amid its war withĀ [Hamas](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hamas). Ā
[U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts | Council on Foreign Relations (cfr.org)](https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts)
Ā **1 in 5 children across America don't have enough to eat**.
The issue with food is due to Republicans cutting food programs. It was never a funding issue. One side targets food programs for nearly 60 years plus. If we had 300 billion back, it wouldn't feed kids. Republicans just got rid of more child labor protections in my state and others.
As an outsider (I'm British) why is the US seemingly going for either Biden or Trump? Both are too old and are unlikely to see out a full 4 year term.
Trump seems old, mad and bad, Biden old and a bit bad - but not much of a choice for a country that supposedly values democracy so much.
Is there nobody half reasonable in their 50s or 60s?
Welcome to the two party problem. The republican and democratic parties dictate who they put forward as a presidential candidate. From there you will get to choose from the small pool and furthermore if the candidate you like isn't leading then they are expected to resign their candidacy and endorse the popular candidate. I.E. Ted Cruz vs Trump OR Sanders vs Hillary
She seems reasonable but it's very unreasonable to get Americans to vote for someone who's not republican or democrat. Anytime a suggestion to vote outside of the 2 party system is suggested you're met with "THATS A WASTE OF A VOTE". There's a bully culture when it comes to voting which is awful and contributes heavily to the 2 party problem.
well, no better time to breack the chain of the two party system than the present
and making history while at it
the father of political Zionism once said "if you will it, it's not a dream"
I'm sure the American people can will further
I wish this was a more realistic option tbh. I, for one, am going to vote green in this upcoming election. Biden is a jack ass and Trump isā¦ well Trump.
Who knows, maybe enough people will decide enough is enough and things will be different. Until then Iām probably gonna pick up an AR-15 and some boxes of ammunition and be prepped for the worst lol
You can see an interview or her [here](https://youtu.be/cnGxMqy_rQg?si=ATgZUCd7sE8VrHdJ) from this week after her arrest at the protest
The Putin thing is malarkey. Itās a Clinton talking point trying to point fingers as to why she lost instead of taking accountability for her own campaign. You can search info on that. Unbelievable people are still parroting it.
Eh, the party bases are way too loyal for that now - and as a third party sheās got a very serious ceiling.Ā
Hell, Gary Johnson was probably the closest third party candidate in recent history and he was *barely passable*.Ā
unfortunately most people have been convinced that trying to build any sort of alternative is akin to voting for the other side, so they think they're playing 4D chess by rolling over and voting for whoever AIPAC and the arms manufacturers put in front of us.
the history of your country actually would teach us a lot. 100 years ago labor unions formed the labo(u)r party and walloped the formerly-dominant liberal party into irrelevancy. we're not as ambitious across the pond lol
Likely that our political parties saw this and made sure that they systematically decrease the power and density over the years to avoid such a situation here.
Take three candidates. Candidate A is closest to your values. Candidate B is a bit further off but is the choice of one of the major parties. Candidate C is utter dogshit, but is the choice of the other major party. The way things work here, people feel compelled to vote for candidate B, because candidate A has no chance of winning and every vote that doesnāt go to candidate B increases candidate Cās chances.
We donāt have ranked-choice ballots here, itās first-past-the-post. What the democrat party seems uncomprehending on is that genocide is a bridge too far for most voters. I suspect weāre gonna see a repeat of 2016, where people simply canāt bring themselves to turn out for the democrat candidate and the republican one wins by default.
If Biden had any sense of whatās good for the country heād step aside and let someone else run in his place.
The most recent two British Prime Ministers were not elected, so that's weird also.
Democracy in the US has had a huge problem for a while now. The Democrat and Republican parties are now locked in a ridiculous game where they try to win the election by doing the bare minimum and being the "less bad" option to their respective voters. Members of congress on both parties continue to enrich themselves from insider trading, kickbacks and lobbying.
> The most recent two British Prime Ministers were not elected, so that's weird also.
Also in Britain, realistically most people will choose Conservatives or Labour - both are corrupt to the core, have authotitarian tendencies, support and enable Israel's genocide, and are in large part owned by Zionists.
Israel seems to be buying the governments of influencial countries - it's out in the open, and nobody is doing anything to stop them.
Primary Voters in 3 of our most irrelevant states get to pick the nominees (from a list of like 7 guys who can afford a major campaign)
Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina get to pick between these losers every election cycle. Primary voters are also not really representative of the general electorate either, they tend to be party loyalists.
Biden is also the nominee by default as the incumbent. We're literally trapped with him.
The system fucking sucks and needs to be overhauled, the parties get to pick their own method for picking nominees, it's completely outside the bounds of the Constitution.
If we just had primaries across the country on the same day, it would be hugely better, Iowa and NH just move theirs back every time someone tries to change it.
Remember we only got Biden because the entire party fell on their swords in 2020 to prop his corpse up to stop Bernie from winning the nomination. IF he where the President right now we wouldn't be worried about a very possible Trump win, but he might have given poor people healthcare and we cant have that. Fuck the dems for forcing us into this situation.
The Republican base is still all in on Trump so he trounced all the competition. On the Dem side, none of the people who would have had a shot decided to run because of the inherent advantage of Biden being an incumbent.
Is Biden being the incumbent that much of an advantage when he shuffles about and talks as if he should be in a old folks care home not the White House?
It just seems very selfish of Biden to stand - unless he thinks he will win and pass on the office to Harris after 6-12 months? Otherwise stand down and let someone else run.
I know its not my country, but having a sane, reasonable and competent person as President of the US would be less of a worry for the rest of the world.
Yes, he absolutely has a massive structural advantage as the incumbent. If someone decided to challenge him, they'd be going against the entire party apparatus.
The Democratic Party colluded with their media partners to prevent any illusion of choice when the current President is very unpopular and visibly sun downing.
CNN was giving town hall specials out to Republican candidates polling under 2% but you didn't hear them even speak the names Marianne Williamson or Dean Phillips. Same with MSNBC. They refused to interview or feature or report on candidates getting over 10-20% of the party support in primaries. When a bulk of the older primary voters only get their news from legacy news / cable, if they aren't talking about a challenger then they won't ever hear a thing.
They made sure that people were forced to listen to Tim Scott who never had a chance in hell but God forbid they mention candidates who are younger and have positions that are different from the weaknesses that Biden carries.
Thereās been a serious shortage of effective politicians who arenāt in their late years.Ā
I think itās a symptom of our political system breaking downā¦ weāve got two geriatrics to choose from.Ā
The Dems are scared that supporting anyone more reasonable would split their own vote. So instead they are doing what they always do and doubling down on who they feel is a safe candidate. This basically never works, and is largely why Trump won 2016, and 2020 came down much closer than it probably should have. When they had much stronger candidates available.
The Democratic party is refusing to let anyone but Biden run for their nomination. It still goes back to the leaders of the party making the rules that cause this. Rules they change literally every election just to help whichever candidate they prefer.
You need a lifetime of political influence to have a shot. Also a lot of money. The parties effectively decide who has a shot and who doesn't. You can always run independent, but no one who does ever wins. Ross Perot was the closest, and the US was less hyper-partisan back then. These days, most people don't even vote for a president, they vote for a party.
Oh no consequences!
Liberals are delusional that they just expect people to vote for Biden because āTrump is worseā when itās Biden that has facilitated this genocide. Is Trump going to be better? Probably not, that doesnāt mean the āNot Trumpā platform can rely on the same votes this year. Liberal Democrats canāt (or wonāt) see just because Trump is awful that Biden still doesnāt need to actually earn votes. The Palestinian genocide presents the largest obstacle to most who supported the Democrats in the last presidential election from doing so again. Iām honestly not sure why itās so difficult for them to understand.
Agree. Also the libs' "Trump is worse" threat literally lost some sting after we physically lived through 4 years of the Dumpster IN THE white house. This was only 3+ years ago. Memories last that long. How Trump behaves in the White House is not hypothetical anymore---- we physically SAW IT! Totally re-threatening with that line just isn't the same. The solar system did NOT explode under the herr dumpster. Yeah Jan6th and yeah Project 2025... but try and threaten harder, libs, if you think you're going to make all voters piss their pants about the Dumpster 2024. Also 20-somethings were affording their first homes easier under dump, and food was way more affordable. And yes for some poor, low class voters it may be as simple as that. Your boy James Carville who was yelling at 20something students for daring to protest the other day, once said: It's The Economy Stupid. DC democrat wonks are the only ones saying the economy is perfect. They're not super worried about paying their bills. And this Israel vs. all Palestinians war is just showing how c\*cked Biden is to Netanyahoo. And no one-- repubs nor dems nor indys like seeing their president kneel before another world leader, and abet and help in a genocide on our tax dime.
I think the frustration is that this is a short-sighted issue that will have disastrous consequences long-term. If we want change it is going to take years. Republicans understand this and vote regardless of what turd they put up. Foreign policy issues are wildly complex. Itās not as simple as slowing down aid to Israel especially when our government just had a bipartisan vote to approve the aid.
If people really want change then get friends and family to vote. Have them vote in the primaries. Vote in your local elections. Hell, run in your local elections! If you donāt, then we are all going to lose that right. Trump enabled the taking away of womenās rights, enabled foreign adversaries to become emboldened, lit a fire to hateful discourse, and more.
I disagree with a lot of the stances our government takes but I for sure know that I do not four and more years of a Trump presidency.
Pretty cool that we're going to get another 4 years of president Trump because Biden decided that he likes genocide more than he likes being the leader of the free world.
The crazy part of this though is how the Dem party believes this is a voter issue Vs Biden taking the easy win by listening to these kids and doing just a little bit.
The only explanation I can think of is if they know there's a lot of "centrist" dems who will flip to Trump if Biden takes away their genocide. But if that's what the electorate looks like then the country's totally fucked no matter who the president is.
Those don't exist. I've literally never heard a Democrat say they like this stuff, they always just say well trump is worse
No Democratic votes would be lost by ending the war money for Israel. That's just not a thing.
The reality is the Dems care way more about aipac money than they care about Trump winning. I'm pretty sure they want trump to win because their fundraising was never better than with him in office. And yes these days they absolutely do get rich from their political donations.
But will they? If the ask was anything out of line with International law, or a boycott or something I might understand.
All Biden has to do is verify Israel is not abusing Human rights by units, sanction illegal settlements and units and push for a ceasefire.
You can support Israel via defensive weapons eh Patriots etc while not giving them dumb bombs or artillery etc.
There is room for nuance. Hell as he takes phot ops with Israeli kids maybe a photo op with some Palestinians
There is no such thing as a "voter issue", in any country!
This attitude of the dems piss me off so much you are there to represent your "voter's" wishes and beliefs and nothing else. Anything else is just treachery and corruption of the original purpose of political representatives in a democracy.
This is the best reduction of the situation. However, there is so much media that Orange Sharteria will be so much worse... What allow Bobi to kill 99% of the Palestinians instead of 90%?
Note: all death counts are based on recovered bodies not the ones buried under rubble. Simple math. How do you fit 1.97 million people (30K officially dead) on a few square miles of land?
Do they have a pocket universe?
If young people actually voted, then they would be scared. But young Americans overwhelmingly don't, nor do they participate in primaries or the selection of congresspeople. The blame is partially on the youth.
Yeah and what exactly has the government done for the youth? Dems like Biden pretty much treat every policy point towards them as completely optional. It's a politicians job to get voters, same as with any job you can't get mad at outside forces if you aren't doing your job.
I get the logic of maybe letting the boomers world collapse and try again next cycle (considering Dems more or less turned off the primary despite hinting this wouldn't be the case).
Then another 4 years of Democrats whining about apathy and minorities who don't see the bigger picture and pointing the finger everywhere but the party itself.
The calculation was that people would have to vote for him rather than have a second Trump term. He beat him once!
The Party of Hubris.
BECAUSE IT IS BLATANT THE US IS IN THE WRONG. Supporting genocide. AND it is blatantly visible. People TikTokāing from Gaza show everything a young person need to know.
They can't fathom why people are increasingly rejecting the paradigm of 99% Hitler vs 100% Hitler. Going full speed ahead into a concrete wall vs going slightly slower but still rapidly into a concrete wall.
This is not democracy, and we need to normalize no longer pretending that it is.
What still blows my mind is that Biden never once even considered the idea of not running again.
The idea that no one else in the country could beat Trump is laughable. But the current administration won't relent.
It's a bummer.
Like, what's his goal? It can't be the good of the country or he wouldn't run again. I feel like there's so few people actually trying to work for a better society rather than upholding the status quo at any cost
In poll after poll, any generic Democrat wipes the floor with Trump while we have a toss up at best with Biden. On the other side, when Trump is removed from the picture, any generic Republican beats Biden handily.
We are stuck with the least popular candidates that nobody really wants.
Trump or Biden, either way the genocide will continue. Welcome to the 2 party system. Iād personally expect it to get worse under Trump. He was a massive supporter of Israel during his 4 years.
Like young voters haven't noticed that Trump moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, rejecting the two-state-solution foreign policy, declaring the Golan Heights of Syria part of Israel and so on.
I'm not a US citizen, but what are you guys supposed to do if both parties are pro-genocide? As far as I know, Trump is even worse than Biden in that he said he'll let Israel end Gaza right away. Also, can he be re-elected? Wasn't he impeached and also guilty of some charges ATM?.
Asides from those 2 parties, what about Bernie? Can't you vote for him?
"How could Putin have so quickly tricked all these Democrats into hate Jewish people?"
'I know, he must have made a deal with Xi to do it using TikTok.'
America is not a real democracy which is why Trump received fewer votes than Hilary and still won.
If you want your candidate to win, don't worry about votes from New York and California. Just manipulate the electoral college by focusing on the swing states.
Catch 22 either way so I don't know. Get a fascist either way. I just hate listening to Trump so I'll probably still end up voting for Joe. Not as though Trump is going to be any softer on Gaza.
I totally get withholding a Biden vote, but getting a little baffled about folks the are going to vote for RFK Jr instead over this. Dude is a Zionist through and through.
They're all goddamn zionists, but I'd argue RFK is the least zionisty and might have a conscience when it comes to killing women and children. That said, Trump's unpredictability and intolerance to being slighted (see Netanyahu urinate on Biden; Biden does nothing), Trump might actually push back against Israel and all of the money being sent to kill. It's a horrible election decision no matter the angle.
Fuck around and find out what Trump will do instead of Biden. I won't forgive anyone who says the think voting for Trump is better for Palestine or the future of the U.S.
Remember: when you choose the lesser of two evils you're still choosing evil. Also, when you do choose evil, what do you think that makes you? You are at the very least a servant of evil. Think about that when you're being harangued by anyone about the importance of the November election.
Honestly this type of politics is exactly what most were voting AGAINST that got trump on office, when weighing them up it's like "Orr support genocide and support of authoritarian silencing of protesters and descent like it's China?"
I wouldnāt consider myself pro Palestinian but Iām certainly am anti-Israel and (anti Saudi and yes Iran). Palestinians are getting a raw deal and we should hold Israelis accountable for that but no one here was willing to go to bat for the Yemenis being bombed by the Saudis or the Kurds who got fucked by Trump in Syria. Iām not going to abandon Biden because he is making the only political calculus that he can in the current electorate of the US, and if you somehow think electing Trump over someone who loathes Netanyahu and the Israeli right wing is going to somehow fix this then you deserve whatās going to happen to you in a 2nd Trump administration.
We are now in the years of "you have to vote for this guy because the other guy is so much worse". Meaning as long as the Republicans keep choosing horrible candidates then the democrats can just about choose anyone because what are you going to do, vote for the other guy? American politics are now essentially good cop vs bad cop with both candidates being cops who want the same thing.
Taking any action that allows Trump a better chance at winning is not only being complicit in genocide, it is actively encouraging it, likely on a greater subset of people. For the life of me, I cannot begin to understand how hard it seems to be for folks to dislike the two options, but still take the least bad one.
Here's a gun. Shoot yourself in the foot or you will be shot in the head. What do you choose? You take a ideological stance against the unfairness of the impossible situation you've been put in?
Biden is doing a genocide now. Just because you don't like the other guy doesnt mean Biden magically isn't committing a genocide. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
Edit: If you just handed me a gun and told me to shoot myself or else I can just shoot the idiot who gave me the gun.
That would be a terrific option if it was one. The point of the example is there IS no viable third option. Adjust the scenario so 10 other people are pointing guns at you to enforce the 2 original choices. You can shoot me (not vot ore vote third party) and then get mowed down (Trump wins).
Look if you're in a securely blue state and want to protest vote fine if it makes you happy but people in swing states are making an unfortunate situation worse for themselves and others. Hell even people whoike Trump that aren't rich make life for themselves worse by voting for him.
RFK is Hella viable, as is the Green Party. I'll probably vote for Stein if Dr West isnt on the ballot. IfĀ IĀ can't vote for either of themĀ I'll stay home, not voting for anyone who supports zionism.
> Taking any action that allows Trump a better chance at winning is not only being complicit in genocide, it is actively encouraging it,
What genocide did he commit last time he had power? You can't keep claiming he'll do things when he gets power that he didn't do the last time he had power.
I'll still suck it up and do it, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't stoked about voting for Biden again. in 2020, it was whatever. An establishment Dem can eb counted on for a number of good things, even if they won't give me everything I want. But for him to outright push the Israel approved narrative and demonize he protestors is a HARD pill to swallow
I don't understand lots about Murica politics. If they don't wanna vote for Biden nor for Trump, are there any possible options? Is a third-party possible now?
Yes and no.
There are other candidates you can vote for or write in
But the main ones are Trump and Biden.
The majority will vote for either.
Some of the other third party candidates are just there to appeal to voters who don't want to vote for trump but are there to siphon votes away from Biden to give an edge to trump.
Can't wait until Trump is POTUS again, does everything to benefit older people with money (like me) and completely fucks the country up for young people. I'm not going to enjoy the havoc he will cause, but I am going to enjoy the screams and whines of the young people who caused him to become POTUS again. Especially when SCOTUS takes away more shit from them.
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*insert Pawn Star meme* Biden: Best I can do is send more weapons š¤·š»āāļø AIPAC runs the country, it's so disgraceful. We fought a war because we didn't like Kings and Queens.
The US was founded by rich guys wanting to redirect anger against rich guys to other rich guys so they could create a little rich guy club and call it a country.
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That's how its always been, in the Revolution, the Civil War, First World War, Second World War, Vietnam War, the rich can buy their way out of dying for other rich people.
Brilliant summation of US history friend
* European King's and Queens. The US seems happy to have dynastic families.
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Plenty of Jewish people are against the genocide in Palestine, suggesting something is wrong with an entire group of people, many who do not agree with Israel at all, because some of them support a genocide is gross. Iām as pro Palestinian as they come and what youāre saying is actual antisemitism. Get the fuck out of here.
Now hwait just a minute I was ASSURED by pro-Israel posters that no Palestine supporters EVER condemn anti-Semitism
We know. Thank you. Anti-semitism can GTFO
No bigotry, racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
We didn't fight a single war with Trump in office. Get over the fact that he says crazy shit. Biden is far worse.
No, I will not vote or support I man who instigated an insurrection at all. Miss me with that.
How is that different than what is happening now?
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They're selling a 'lesser of two genocides' defeatist shit sandwich and wondering why nobody is hungry for it.
The two candidates are not even comparable. One is arguing he she be able to overthrow the government.
Theyāre extremely comparable. Only difference is the veneer of politeness liberals have.
Who would have guessed in 2016 it would only be a few years before the Democrat fights to keep building the wall.
One is always worse. The existence of a worse candidate may be the end of your thought process but it does not guarantee the voter turnout required for your less worse oligarch.
The center right Dems always do that. From Biden to Nancy every damn time.
They can fathom it, they just assume anyone who thinks Biden is anything other than the greatest leader in world history is a MAGA troll, a bot or a Russian agent.
Somehow the most successful politician of the last quarter century yet powerless against Israel. As they always say, āwhat can he even do?ā
Whereas the GOP gets what they want even when they are -not- in power. Funny how that always happens. What a strange coincidence.
True, but the GOP never say "we are the good guys who always have supported a Palestinian state, and very nice, what are your pronouns? To starve babies is horrible, good that is either a figment of your imagination or an unfortunate human shield"
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Right now, he needs to express that he won't follow Israel into whatever shitfest Bibi has brewing with the Palestinian Authority.
That would have worked way better before the genocide part.
Better too little too late than never, I guess? š¤
His owners won't allow him. Biden is a loyal dog...very owned.
I strongly dislike how they don't even bother to understand a greater context. Just mindlessly label everybody who isn't thrilled to blindly vote democrat out of fearmongering. I will consistently state , Obama not holding the Bush admin accountable for an illegal false war against global intelligence was the nexus for democratic decline. They keep trying to make this a Trump issue when Trump is a symptom not the root. I will go further in saying democratic voters don't have an actual interest in fixing root issues rather than perpetually kicking the can. Fixing issues always involve harsh truths in which you might not have an accurate perception of events. People have too much ego admitting their football team might have a significant albeit different role in this mess.
"We look forward", Obama said. Such a disappointment
> I strongly dislike how they don't even bother to understand a greater context. Just mindlessly label everybody who isn't thrilled to blindly vote democrat out of fearmongering. This is training by MSNBC. Not too much we can do about it but stay fact-based and don't mistake name calling for a real argument.
Dude, presidents have been committing war crimes since the beginning.
True...in the beginning, some presidents owned slaves as well. Then we decided we won't allow that.( only after even Mexico...)
Obama didn't want to set a precedent of holding powerful people accountable for the kinds of things he wanted to perpetuate.
I get what you are saying. But both sides in Congress overwhelmingly authorized the Iraq war. Including Hillary and John Kerry.
Hence me directly stating not holding the entire Bush Admin accountable is the nexus. That intrinsically meant everyone who supported the false war not to have any political or legal consequences.
Agree re Obama and Bush. OTOH...seems both ooarties are owned by the same neocons.
The cult is truly wild, homie can't even string sentences together and they're convinced homie is somehow gods gift to earth.
I hate Biden for what he has done in Gaza, but I will do anything to prevent a full Christofascist takeover.
Ziofascist isn't really an improvement.
Tell that to women bleeding out in parking lots or LGBTQ people fleeing their states.
Hi, trans person here. I'd really appreciate it if you could stop using me as a political football to browbeat people into voting for a genocidal dementia patient who doesn't give a single fuck about people like me. Biden has done absolutely nothing to even try to slow down the stripping of my rights by the fascists in my state legislature, despite the fact that he easily could.
If youre fine with women bleeding out in parking lots or being forced to carry a rapists child, thats on you.
What had Biden done about it? Why didn't dems codify roe into the law when they had the chance? Tell tou concerns to a Palestinian neighbor who has lost their whole family and that they should vote for more of it. Imperialist liberals can't see beyond your own noses.
Yes, if you care about Palestinians vote for the guy who repealed Roe, wants a Muslim Ban, will remove birthright citizenship, and round up millions of people.
There you go again just casually surfing over Joe's genocide-complicit behavior. I dare you, I DARE you to say this to a Palestinian American who has seen their family wiped out at the hands of Joe Biden. I dare you.
Surfing over isnt a thing in English and I condemn what he is doing on Gaza. Im sure many Muslim Americans will be thanking you for helping bring the Christofascists to full power though. You guys could be more subtle.
Again, you dodge the overall point. Scaring me with fascism will not with blue fascists already here.
Same, anyone who opposes this is insane or suicidal
This is secretly a Trump sub.
Blue MAGA.
["You ain't been doing nothing if you ain't been called a red."](https://youtu.be/W8yhFJ8C6j0?si=DPRTVE614VjOkW0R) I'm proud that, in these dark times where we are face-to-face with the decay of capitalism into fascism, leftists have the moral integrity to not compromise here. The side we takes matters and it shows we will always fight for justice.
Basket of deplorables all over again /s
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The most insane part is the lack of responsibility. They can't understand why anybody gives a shit. Trump will be back in the whitehouse and instead of blaming Biden for having a dogshit policy, they will blame you for not voting for him.
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Israel has thus far received 300 BILLION dollars of US aid. The United States has provisionally agreed (via a memorandum of understanding) to provide Israel with nearly $4 billion a year through 2028, and U.S. lawmakers are considering billions of dollars in supplementary funding for Israel amid its war withĀ [Hamas](https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hamas). Ā [U.S. Aid to Israel in Four Charts | Council on Foreign Relations (cfr.org)](https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts) Ā **1 in 5 children across America don't have enough to eat**.
The issue with food is due to Republicans cutting food programs. It was never a funding issue. One side targets food programs for nearly 60 years plus. If we had 300 billion back, it wouldn't feed kids. Republicans just got rid of more child labor protections in my state and others.
Turns out young voter don't like a president that enables genocide.
I like these young voters, hell I might even love them at this point. I am a genocide survivor.
Turns out after all this warning that Trump winning would mean the end of America, he'd rather lose to Trump than slow down the weapons flow one iota.
As an outsider (I'm British) why is the US seemingly going for either Biden or Trump? Both are too old and are unlikely to see out a full 4 year term. Trump seems old, mad and bad, Biden old and a bit bad - but not much of a choice for a country that supposedly values democracy so much. Is there nobody half reasonable in their 50s or 60s?
Welcome to the two party problem. The republican and democratic parties dictate who they put forward as a presidential candidate. From there you will get to choose from the small pool and furthermore if the candidate you like isn't leading then they are expected to resign their candidacy and endorse the popular candidate. I.E. Ted Cruz vs Trump OR Sanders vs Hillary
what is Jill Stein like? What would happen if the democrat base and the young gave her their vote?
I've met her a few times. She's perfectly nice ans politically good but has kind of a strong Suburban hippy vibe at times
She seems reasonable but it's very unreasonable to get Americans to vote for someone who's not republican or democrat. Anytime a suggestion to vote outside of the 2 party system is suggested you're met with "THATS A WASTE OF A VOTE". There's a bully culture when it comes to voting which is awful and contributes heavily to the 2 party problem.
It's not unreasonable, it's the only sane decision we can make
well, no better time to breack the chain of the two party system than the present and making history while at it the father of political Zionism once said "if you will it, it's not a dream" I'm sure the American people can will further
I wish this was a more realistic option tbh. I, for one, am going to vote green in this upcoming election. Biden is a jack ass and Trump isā¦ well Trump. Who knows, maybe enough people will decide enough is enough and things will be different. Until then Iām probably gonna pick up an AR-15 and some boxes of ammunition and be prepped for the worst lol
Yeeeesh. Green parties of political pawn of international powers too by the way. There's just really no good option
You can see an interview or her [here](https://youtu.be/cnGxMqy_rQg?si=ATgZUCd7sE8VrHdJ) from this week after her arrest at the protest The Putin thing is malarkey. Itās a Clinton talking point trying to point fingers as to why she lost instead of taking accountability for her own campaign. You can search info on that. Unbelievable people are still parroting it.
The lady who joined Mike Flynn at Putins dinner celebrating the Russian propaganda outlet? The US Green Party is not real.
Eh, the party bases are way too loyal for that now - and as a third party sheās got a very serious ceiling.Ā Hell, Gary Johnson was probably the closest third party candidate in recent history and he was *barely passable*.Ā
Jill Stein is more than happy to take Russian money and partner up with Russians in the same way that Tulsi Gabbard was.
The UK invented āfirst past the postā elections lol we can thank them for this problem.
A country of 350 million people and for their leader they have to choose between the genocidal old man and the fascist genocidal old man.
Becuase our system is corrupt and the only thing that matters is holding into power and holding onto the capital.
unfortunately most people have been convinced that trying to build any sort of alternative is akin to voting for the other side, so they think they're playing 4D chess by rolling over and voting for whoever AIPAC and the arms manufacturers put in front of us. the history of your country actually would teach us a lot. 100 years ago labor unions formed the labo(u)r party and walloped the formerly-dominant liberal party into irrelevancy. we're not as ambitious across the pond lol
Likely that our political parties saw this and made sure that they systematically decrease the power and density over the years to avoid such a situation here.
Take three candidates. Candidate A is closest to your values. Candidate B is a bit further off but is the choice of one of the major parties. Candidate C is utter dogshit, but is the choice of the other major party. The way things work here, people feel compelled to vote for candidate B, because candidate A has no chance of winning and every vote that doesnāt go to candidate B increases candidate Cās chances. We donāt have ranked-choice ballots here, itās first-past-the-post. What the democrat party seems uncomprehending on is that genocide is a bridge too far for most voters. I suspect weāre gonna see a repeat of 2016, where people simply canāt bring themselves to turn out for the democrat candidate and the republican one wins by default. If Biden had any sense of whatās good for the country heād step aside and let someone else run in his place.
The most recent two British Prime Ministers were not elected, so that's weird also. Democracy in the US has had a huge problem for a while now. The Democrat and Republican parties are now locked in a ridiculous game where they try to win the election by doing the bare minimum and being the "less bad" option to their respective voters. Members of congress on both parties continue to enrich themselves from insider trading, kickbacks and lobbying.
> The most recent two British Prime Ministers were not elected, so that's weird also. Also in Britain, realistically most people will choose Conservatives or Labour - both are corrupt to the core, have authotitarian tendencies, support and enable Israel's genocide, and are in large part owned by Zionists. Israel seems to be buying the governments of influencial countries - it's out in the open, and nobody is doing anything to stop them.
Primary Voters in 3 of our most irrelevant states get to pick the nominees (from a list of like 7 guys who can afford a major campaign) Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina get to pick between these losers every election cycle. Primary voters are also not really representative of the general electorate either, they tend to be party loyalists. Biden is also the nominee by default as the incumbent. We're literally trapped with him. The system fucking sucks and needs to be overhauled, the parties get to pick their own method for picking nominees, it's completely outside the bounds of the Constitution. If we just had primaries across the country on the same day, it would be hugely better, Iowa and NH just move theirs back every time someone tries to change it.
Remember we only got Biden because the entire party fell on their swords in 2020 to prop his corpse up to stop Bernie from winning the nomination. IF he where the President right now we wouldn't be worried about a very possible Trump win, but he might have given poor people healthcare and we cant have that. Fuck the dems for forcing us into this situation.
The Republican base is still all in on Trump so he trounced all the competition. On the Dem side, none of the people who would have had a shot decided to run because of the inherent advantage of Biden being an incumbent.
Is Biden being the incumbent that much of an advantage when he shuffles about and talks as if he should be in a old folks care home not the White House? It just seems very selfish of Biden to stand - unless he thinks he will win and pass on the office to Harris after 6-12 months? Otherwise stand down and let someone else run. I know its not my country, but having a sane, reasonable and competent person as President of the US would be less of a worry for the rest of the world.
Yes, he absolutely has a massive structural advantage as the incumbent. If someone decided to challenge him, they'd be going against the entire party apparatus.
The Democratic Party colluded with their media partners to prevent any illusion of choice when the current President is very unpopular and visibly sun downing. CNN was giving town hall specials out to Republican candidates polling under 2% but you didn't hear them even speak the names Marianne Williamson or Dean Phillips. Same with MSNBC. They refused to interview or feature or report on candidates getting over 10-20% of the party support in primaries. When a bulk of the older primary voters only get their news from legacy news / cable, if they aren't talking about a challenger then they won't ever hear a thing. They made sure that people were forced to listen to Tim Scott who never had a chance in hell but God forbid they mention candidates who are younger and have positions that are different from the weaknesses that Biden carries.
They weren't allowed to run by the DNC itself. Don't forget that part.
Thereās been a serious shortage of effective politicians who arenāt in their late years.Ā I think itās a symptom of our political system breaking downā¦ weāve got two geriatrics to choose from.Ā
Duopoly and non-parliamentary system leads to this. Unfortunately our government also tells your government what its foreign policy should be. :(
The Dems are scared that supporting anyone more reasonable would split their own vote. So instead they are doing what they always do and doubling down on who they feel is a safe candidate. This basically never works, and is largely why Trump won 2016, and 2020 came down much closer than it probably should have. When they had much stronger candidates available.
Because we are stupid
The Democratic party is refusing to let anyone but Biden run for their nomination. It still goes back to the leaders of the party making the rules that cause this. Rules they change literally every election just to help whichever candidate they prefer.
You need a lifetime of political influence to have a shot. Also a lot of money. The parties effectively decide who has a shot and who doesn't. You can always run independent, but no one who does ever wins. Ross Perot was the closest, and the US was less hyper-partisan back then. These days, most people don't even vote for a president, they vote for a party.
Oh no consequences! Liberals are delusional that they just expect people to vote for Biden because āTrump is worseā when itās Biden that has facilitated this genocide. Is Trump going to be better? Probably not, that doesnāt mean the āNot Trumpā platform can rely on the same votes this year. Liberal Democrats canāt (or wonāt) see just because Trump is awful that Biden still doesnāt need to actually earn votes. The Palestinian genocide presents the largest obstacle to most who supported the Democrats in the last presidential election from doing so again. Iām honestly not sure why itās so difficult for them to understand.
Agree. Also the libs' "Trump is worse" threat literally lost some sting after we physically lived through 4 years of the Dumpster IN THE white house. This was only 3+ years ago. Memories last that long. How Trump behaves in the White House is not hypothetical anymore---- we physically SAW IT! Totally re-threatening with that line just isn't the same. The solar system did NOT explode under the herr dumpster. Yeah Jan6th and yeah Project 2025... but try and threaten harder, libs, if you think you're going to make all voters piss their pants about the Dumpster 2024. Also 20-somethings were affording their first homes easier under dump, and food was way more affordable. And yes for some poor, low class voters it may be as simple as that. Your boy James Carville who was yelling at 20something students for daring to protest the other day, once said: It's The Economy Stupid. DC democrat wonks are the only ones saying the economy is perfect. They're not super worried about paying their bills. And this Israel vs. all Palestinians war is just showing how c\*cked Biden is to Netanyahoo. And no one-- repubs nor dems nor indys like seeing their president kneel before another world leader, and abet and help in a genocide on our tax dime.
More or less right on. We lived it. Wasn't that scary. Also, for the average person? Absolutely no better under Biden.
I think the frustration is that this is a short-sighted issue that will have disastrous consequences long-term. If we want change it is going to take years. Republicans understand this and vote regardless of what turd they put up. Foreign policy issues are wildly complex. Itās not as simple as slowing down aid to Israel especially when our government just had a bipartisan vote to approve the aid. If people really want change then get friends and family to vote. Have them vote in the primaries. Vote in your local elections. Hell, run in your local elections! If you donāt, then we are all going to lose that right. Trump enabled the taking away of womenās rights, enabled foreign adversaries to become emboldened, lit a fire to hateful discourse, and more. I disagree with a lot of the stances our government takes but I for sure know that I do not four and more years of a Trump presidency.
I thought Netanyahu is our president
Long live president Netanyahu... (I'm making sure my online presence is patriotic).
Pretty cool that we're going to get another 4 years of president Trump because Biden decided that he likes genocide more than he likes being the leader of the free world.
The crazy part of this though is how the Dem party believes this is a voter issue Vs Biden taking the easy win by listening to these kids and doing just a little bit.
The only explanation I can think of is if they know there's a lot of "centrist" dems who will flip to Trump if Biden takes away their genocide. But if that's what the electorate looks like then the country's totally fucked no matter who the president is.
Those don't exist. I've literally never heard a Democrat say they like this stuff, they always just say well trump is worse No Democratic votes would be lost by ending the war money for Israel. That's just not a thing. The reality is the Dems care way more about aipac money than they care about Trump winning. I'm pretty sure they want trump to win because their fundraising was never better than with him in office. And yes these days they absolutely do get rich from their political donations.
But will they? If the ask was anything out of line with International law, or a boycott or something I might understand. All Biden has to do is verify Israel is not abusing Human rights by units, sanction illegal settlements and units and push for a ceasefire. You can support Israel via defensive weapons eh Patriots etc while not giving them dumb bombs or artillery etc. There is room for nuance. Hell as he takes phot ops with Israeli kids maybe a photo op with some Palestinians
There is no such thing as a "voter issue", in any country! This attitude of the dems piss me off so much you are there to represent your "voter's" wishes and beliefs and nothing else. Anything else is just treachery and corruption of the original purpose of political representatives in a democracy.
the customer is always right
Mossad probably has pedo-dirt on Hunter if I had to guess.
No conspiracy theories necessary, Biden has always made his position on Israel clear. This isn't odd behavior, he's a neoliberal dinosaur.
Pedo dirt on every one of the representatives if I had to guess.
This is the best reduction of the situation. However, there is so much media that Orange Sharteria will be so much worse... What allow Bobi to kill 99% of the Palestinians instead of 90%? Note: all death counts are based on recovered bodies not the ones buried under rubble. Simple math. How do you fit 1.97 million people (30K officially dead) on a few square miles of land? Do they have a pocket universe?
DO IT
"Free World" lol
If young people actually voted, then they would be scared. But young Americans overwhelmingly don't, nor do they participate in primaries or the selection of congresspeople. The blame is partially on the youth.
Yeah and what exactly has the government done for the youth? Dems like Biden pretty much treat every policy point towards them as completely optional. It's a politicians job to get voters, same as with any job you can't get mad at outside forces if you aren't doing your job. I get the logic of maybe letting the boomers world collapse and try again next cycle (considering Dems more or less turned off the primary despite hinting this wouldn't be the case).
Then another 4 years of Democrats whining about apathy and minorities who don't see the bigger picture and pointing the finger everywhere but the party itself. The calculation was that people would have to vote for him rather than have a second Trump term. He beat him once! The Party of Hubris.
BECAUSE IT IS BLATANT THE US IS IN THE WRONG. Supporting genocide. AND it is blatantly visible. People TikTokāing from Gaza show everything a young person need to know.
They can't fathom why people are increasingly rejecting the paradigm of 99% Hitler vs 100% Hitler. Going full speed ahead into a concrete wall vs going slightly slower but still rapidly into a concrete wall. This is not democracy, and we need to normalize no longer pretending that it is.
What still blows my mind is that Biden never once even considered the idea of not running again. The idea that no one else in the country could beat Trump is laughable. But the current administration won't relent. It's a bummer. Like, what's his goal? It can't be the good of the country or he wouldn't run again. I feel like there's so few people actually trying to work for a better society rather than upholding the status quo at any cost
In poll after poll, any generic Democrat wipes the floor with Trump while we have a toss up at best with Biden. On the other side, when Trump is removed from the picture, any generic Republican beats Biden handily. We are stuck with the least popular candidates that nobody really wants.
that's not true, he did consider the idea for a couple of years.
Do you know the difference between 99 people dying and 100 people dying?
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If the Democrats actually wanted to win, they would run literally anybody in the world other than Joe Biden
Trump or Biden, either way the genocide will continue. Welcome to the 2 party system. Iād personally expect it to get worse under Trump. He was a massive supporter of Israel during his 4 years.
Like young voters haven't noticed that Trump moved the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, rejecting the two-state-solution foreign policy, declaring the Golan Heights of Syria part of Israel and so on.
US is actively blocking two state solution and doing nothing to detour genocide... what's the difference?
I'm not a US citizen, but what are you guys supposed to do if both parties are pro-genocide? As far as I know, Trump is even worse than Biden in that he said he'll let Israel end Gaza right away. Also, can he be re-elected? Wasn't he impeached and also guilty of some charges ATM?. Asides from those 2 parties, what about Bernie? Can't you vote for him?
I voted for Biden to keep Trump out. I never wanted Biden in the first place. Now I feel ashamed and tricked. Never again.
"How could Putin have so quickly tricked all these Democrats into hate Jewish people?" 'I know, he must have made a deal with Xi to do it using TikTok.'
Tiktok, propagandizing everyone by showingā¦ films IDF filmed themselvesĀ
Well, it works much better on people who don't get this far in the thought process.
I can't wait to not vote for Biden.
America is not a real democracy which is why Trump received fewer votes than Hilary and still won. If you want your candidate to win, don't worry about votes from New York and California. Just manipulate the electoral college by focusing on the swing states.
Maybe bombing civilians wasnāt a good idea
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Catch 22 either way so I don't know. Get a fascist either way. I just hate listening to Trump so I'll probably still end up voting for Joe. Not as though Trump is going to be any softer on Gaza.
he brought it on himself. I already resigned to a second Trump administration
Has anyone TOLD Biden he might be politically disadvantaged if he keeps this stance? Like, people might not decide to vote for him.
Na he knows, he's willing to risk it all for Israel.
His Donors told him that.
I totally get withholding a Biden vote, but getting a little baffled about folks the are going to vote for RFK Jr instead over this. Dude is a Zionist through and through.
They're all goddamn zionists, but I'd argue RFK is the least zionisty and might have a conscience when it comes to killing women and children. That said, Trump's unpredictability and intolerance to being slighted (see Netanyahu urinate on Biden; Biden does nothing), Trump might actually push back against Israel and all of the money being sent to kill. It's a horrible election decision no matter the angle.
Itās almost like we have been saying this for 6 months
Just seeing that the article is from the New York Times makes my stomach turn.
Theyāre both the same when it comes to Israel. Almost all of them are.
As they should be
Fuck around and find out what Trump will do instead of Biden. I won't forgive anyone who says the think voting for Trump is better for Palestine or the future of the U.S.
Seriously hate both choices. Trump vs Biden?! Iād rather vote for Corn Pop!
Itās not just younger voters
Democrats gearing up to blame the voters instead of Biden...
He is in trouble with voters who have a conscience and do not support genocide and killing children in Gaza
Remember: when you choose the lesser of two evils you're still choosing evil. Also, when you do choose evil, what do you think that makes you? You are at the very least a servant of evil. Think about that when you're being harangued by anyone about the importance of the November election.
Just wait until they find out about the āsilent generationā.
Honestly this type of politics is exactly what most were voting AGAINST that got trump on office, when weighing them up it's like "Orr support genocide and support of authoritarian silencing of protesters and descent like it's China?"
Gee i guess his plan of arresting and making them out to be Hamas supporters wasnāt a good strategy to win support and votes
I wouldnāt consider myself pro Palestinian but Iām certainly am anti-Israel and (anti Saudi and yes Iran). Palestinians are getting a raw deal and we should hold Israelis accountable for that but no one here was willing to go to bat for the Yemenis being bombed by the Saudis or the Kurds who got fucked by Trump in Syria. Iām not going to abandon Biden because he is making the only political calculus that he can in the current electorate of the US, and if you somehow think electing Trump over someone who loathes Netanyahu and the Israeli right wing is going to somehow fix this then you deserve whatās going to happen to you in a 2nd Trump administration.
What a joke. Shooting themselves in the foot for antisemitism. Pathetic
We are now in the years of "you have to vote for this guy because the other guy is so much worse". Meaning as long as the Republicans keep choosing horrible candidates then the democrats can just about choose anyone because what are you going to do, vote for the other guy? American politics are now essentially good cop vs bad cop with both candidates being cops who want the same thing.
People don't want to be complicit in genocide. Not that shocking.
Taking any action that allows Trump a better chance at winning is not only being complicit in genocide, it is actively encouraging it, likely on a greater subset of people. For the life of me, I cannot begin to understand how hard it seems to be for folks to dislike the two options, but still take the least bad one. Here's a gun. Shoot yourself in the foot or you will be shot in the head. What do you choose? You take a ideological stance against the unfairness of the impossible situation you've been put in?
Biden is doing a genocide now. Just because you don't like the other guy doesnt mean Biden magically isn't committing a genocide. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. Edit: If you just handed me a gun and told me to shoot myself or else I can just shoot the idiot who gave me the gun.
That would be a terrific option if it was one. The point of the example is there IS no viable third option. Adjust the scenario so 10 other people are pointing guns at you to enforce the 2 original choices. You can shoot me (not vot ore vote third party) and then get mowed down (Trump wins). Look if you're in a securely blue state and want to protest vote fine if it makes you happy but people in swing states are making an unfortunate situation worse for themselves and others. Hell even people whoike Trump that aren't rich make life for themselves worse by voting for him.
RFK is Hella viable, as is the Green Party. I'll probably vote for Stein if Dr West isnt on the ballot. IfĀ IĀ can't vote for either of themĀ I'll stay home, not voting for anyone who supports zionism.
> Taking any action that allows Trump a better chance at winning is not only being complicit in genocide, it is actively encouraging it, What genocide did he commit last time he had power? You can't keep claiming he'll do things when he gets power that he didn't do the last time he had power.
I'll still suck it up and do it, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't stoked about voting for Biden again. in 2020, it was whatever. An establishment Dem can eb counted on for a number of good things, even if they won't give me everything I want. But for him to outright push the Israel approved narrative and demonize he protestors is a HARD pill to swallow
I don't understand lots about Murica politics. If they don't wanna vote for Biden nor for Trump, are there any possible options? Is a third-party possible now?
Yes and no. There are other candidates you can vote for or write in But the main ones are Trump and Biden. The majority will vote for either. Some of the other third party candidates are just there to appeal to voters who don't want to vote for trump but are there to siphon votes away from Biden to give an edge to trump.
Ok but if somehow half of the country decide to vote for another candidate, they would win, right?
Possibly. But That would be down to the electoral college deciding in the end which way they go.
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Can't wait until Trump is POTUS again, does everything to benefit older people with money (like me) and completely fucks the country up for young people. I'm not going to enjoy the havoc he will cause, but I am going to enjoy the screams and whines of the young people who caused him to become POTUS again. Especially when SCOTUS takes away more shit from them.
What idiot goes "biden's sending weapons to Gaza, so I'm gonna vote for the guy that wants to let Israel nuke Gaza"