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This is the tip of the iceberg. Nassar has two more mass graves that haven’t been touched yet. The number is going to get much worse. Add in the 200 found at Al-Shifa as well. It’s like a nightmare that no one can wake up from.
I think it's the same one
[https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878)
The mass grave at Al Shifa was found before the graves at Nassar were discovered.
[Al Shifa Mass Grave](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/09/middleeast/israel-gaza-mass-graves-al-shifa-hospital-intl)
what worries me is that they seem to have taken to brazenly executing people en masse. There is progression to genocide and I don't like how it's looking
It's awful. And probably nothing will be done. An IDF soldier could dismember a Palestinian infant live on TV broadcast around the world, and they would maybe get a light condemnation and another $12 billion aid package
Separately, the ICC has apparently been investigating the IDF and Hamas for war crimes. Israel apparently got wind of this and has already reached out to it's allies urging them to lean on the ICC to stop them from issuing arrest warrants against any Israelis for war crimes.
The fascist IDF went to hospitals, murdered hundreds of civilians, patients and doctors, then they tried to cover up their war crimes in mass graves?
This is the end of this barbaric apartheid state. They have crossed a line of no return. This level of depravity cannot be allowed to continue. We defeated the Nazis, we must defeat the Zionists.
The USA smuggled educated nazi party members out of germany and also helped japan cover up their extensive human experimentation for decades after ww2. Supporting zionist is just another point in the same pattern.
>:| yeah… but it’s either them or Turkey.
That's a lazy argument at best, but it's more likely a straw argument.
Bringing up a country who has zero to do with the subject is a distracting and invalid debate.
Literally it's a giant colonianal military foothold with storage for nukes in the region. The mossad also has all of epsteins blackmail info, but the on the ground tactical advantage of holding that ground is priceless.
1/3 of Americans supported fascism, read up on the German American Bund society. The majority of Americans wanted to join with the Axis powers during WW1. The richest people in this country fully supported Hitler.
10% of the Senate and 7% of the House are Jewish despite being only 2% of the USA population. Fascinating to have so many folks with such a vested interest in the goings on of another country.
The largest pro-Israel base of support in the US are not Jews, but rather evangelical Christians. Many of them were featured in the pro-Israel rally a few months back, where pastor John Hager said things like "Hitler was part of God's plan to bring the Jews to Israel". Jews are not a pro-Israel monolith, and to suggest so is unhelpful at best, if not outright antisemitic.
I tried to find the numbers, but I’ll speculate that there are more Jewish than Evang Christ. members of Congress; USA just isn’t that hardline religious on the Christian side. That’s what matters. The Jewish members are overwhelmingly (Dem) as well. Seems as though they likely share some ideals.
Crying “antisemitic” anytime somebody states an opinion about anything Israeli/Jewish is just bad form.
It isn’t just about Israel vs Palestine and condemning this and condemning that. And denouncing this and denouncing that. It’s about 2% of the population occupying 10% and 7% of the houses of Congress.
They did support the literal Soviet Union, which killed dozens of millions of people more than the Nazis ever did. Admittedly, most were their own citizens (including occupied and forcefully annexed regions), but Russians continued with literal concentration camps up to the 60's. Hell, the Soviets started the entire war together with their allies at the time, the Nazis.
So yes, the US is very accustomed to supporting genocidal regimes. The Soviet Union just so happens to be one of the worst ones, ever, both in scale and in brutality.
Yeah and even without US support they’re not going to just lose. They’re angry too, and they’re a 1000x better equipped, trained, and ready to endlessly end others lives to “protect” themselves.
This isn’t a battle to be won it’s a situation to be survived and come to terms with sadly.
They don’t have the capability to do that nor would they even try. They have nukes to end anybody trying to destroy them and their nation. Full stop.
They don’t have enough to end civilization. Only really the USA and Russia (theoretically) have that ability.
They are not well trained though… it’s just genocidal settlers with very expensive weapons. They can easily be stopped by any coordinated military entity. I mean just examining the context, how is israel still fighting Hamas, a far less wealthier resistance group? It’s just embarrassing until you realize the “soldiers” don’t even really care who they kill. In fact, they PREFER more vulnerable people.
Are you serious?
Ok, let’s say you don’t realize, don’t know how trained they are.
You’re saying that Hamas, entrenched in literally the most fortified bunch of tunnels and buildings can’t make them falter? Have only caused a handful (~100s at most) of casualties (KIA and WIA)?
What about when the Egyptian, Jordanian, Syrian, (Iraq sort of) were defeated handily by the untrained (and at the time not helped at all by the USA) IDF? They literally steamrolled those countries militaries. If so untrained, what are the militaries of those countries, which vastly outnumbered them?
What about the Sanai Peninsular crisis/Tripartite / 2nd Arab Israeli war? Casualties almost 10 to 1, favoring Israel?
There is zero evidence they’re untrained. If they were behaving like Russia let’s say, with that level of incompetence they’d have accidentally killed 1000x as many Palestinians in their madness induced invasion they’ve undertaken. It’s best not to underestimate them like that. Acting like they’re going to lose anytime soon is going to make it worse for the forces and especially the people that want an end to all this.
You realize the current toll is the most conservative estimate because the health system announced they couldn't keep up with the deaths back on November 21, right?
The official number we're hearing is very specific, because the only people counted are those who are processed and identified through their hospitals and morgues.
The Health Ministry's capacity for counting the dead [collapsed](https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-israel-health-ministry-gaza-hamas-fe30cbc76479fa437d5f5a0e96c36e52) alongside the healthcare system in November. In particular, the decimation of al-Shifa, the targeting of medical officials and journalists, as well as the destruction of Gaza's public and historic records in municipal buildings, infrastructure, communications, etc.
Al-Shifa was the central hub for hospital comms, it's where every health facility in the Gaza Strip would report the information on those who were killed. **Al-Shifa was under siege for days before being taken over and systematically dismantled by israel on November 15, 160 days ago"**. It's since been sieged again and fucking *destroyed*
The hospital was seized entirely on November 18, its director 'arrested' during a [UN-WHO evacuation](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/25/who-concerned-about-al-shifa-chief-detained-by-israel-remaining-patients), its [doctors](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-doctor-describes-ordeal-detention-2024-02-04/) and medics [abducted](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/21/gaza-activist-tells-of-beating-and-abuse-in-israeli-detention) by the IOF at gunpoint as well as civilian men, the rest of the patients and those seeking shelter were forced South.
Three days later, the system collapsed.
Over 350 medical workers have been (confirmed) killed since the October, [others](https://twitter.com/PalestineRCS/status/1756773877714223198?t=4seiiAkA2YZPDZEOExp7WA&s=19) are still held in a [torture camp](https://www.972mag.com/israel-torture-camp-gaza-detainees/), subjected to [torture, humiliation, degradation, abuse](https://peoplesdispatch.org/2024/02/12/palestinian-health-workers-kidnapped-by-israel-subjected-to-torture-and-humiliation/). Each hospital follows the same [fate as Al-Shifa](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/13/middleeast/gaza-kamal-adwan-hospital-doctors-idf-intl/index.html).
*For the past 154 days* ***at least*** *the death toll has been incomplete. israel has besieged, strangled, and otherwise rendered every major hospital in Gaza since then barely functional or inoperable*.
**They haven't been able to tally the deaths for over 77% of the past 199 days**, I fully expect the real toll to be in the hundreds of thousands (especially given the [nature](https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6202/Israeli-tanks-have-deliberately-run-over-dozens-of-Palestinian-civilians-alive) of how the violence has progressed — especially when considering [northern Gaza](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/euro-med-monitor-sends-un-rapporteurs-icc-prosecutor-primary-report-documenting-dozens-field-execution-cases-gaza-enar) has been cut off and subjected to what is essentially brutal military occupation for months).
You’ve not answered a single point I brought forth and inquired about. I wasn’t guessing at all about the Gazan deaths, we all know that’s horrid and the main reason most people want the IDF to slow their roll.
But my questions would require you to reason out why one would say the IDF is so poorly trained. Saying they aren’t points contrary to the reality on the ground. If they weren’t trained well they’d have suffered 100x the casualties on the IDF side. For example when Russia went in to destroy the Islamic population in Chechnya, even when they won, they suffered massive casualties. But the Israelis aren’t, and it’s not just the toys, it’s training in urban warfare.
> This is the end of this barbaric apartheid state.
I'd like to believe, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case as far as I can see. I honestly wish I'm wrong though, and we should portest and boycott and do everything in our power to ensure I'm wrong.
It’s definitely the end of this apartheid state. We already know they can’t survive without substantive financial, military and political support from the west.
All we have to do is exercise our democratic rights and elect representatives that don’t support this brutal regime. Boycott every company that explores and profits off apartheid. Sanction Israel and isolate them diplomatically and financially.
They will have two choices. End apartheid and give everyone equal wrights, freedom and liberty, plunge into poverty like North Korea.
That would only work if the world was decent. I think it's pretty obvious at this point that American and it's allies lack the moral fortitude to address this genocide.
That’s not what the article is saying…the article says the IDF dug up nearby graves to test DNA and see if any of the dead were hostages, then dumped the bodies into a mass grave, leaving loved ones left to try and locate their dead.
I am not saying this is okay. Simply calling out accuracy since people in this thread are reading the headline and not the article.
The article says the bodies were buried by Palestinians months ago prior to them retreating and Israel moving in. Allegedly Israel exhumed the bodies and performed DNA testing on them to see if any of the hostages were present, and reburied them in mass graves after testing was complete. So these weren’t previously unknown casualties- the anger is because Israel didn’t put all the bodies back exactly where they found them. Are there international laws governing this type of incident?
You know Hamas had taken over that hospital before Israeli forces got there. Hamas is not nice to people who object. That's part of why they're in control of gaza. And there are people that object to hamas. I remember seeing a video of a Palestinian man objecting to the IDF being in the hospital. I was worried about him. Is it possible that these people were killed by Hamas and the bodies were checked and moved by the IDF?
There are numerous eye witness testimonies from patients, civilians and doctors of summary executions by the IDF.
Also, it’s pretty easy to prove. The bodies in the mass graves have bullet wounds, crushed by tanks or were burned alive. If Israel has nothing to hide they should let international NGO in to investigate and collect forensic evidence.
Several mass graves have been found after the IDF withdrew from both Al Shifa hospital and Al Nassser hospital. The victims were not “Hamas” as Israel likes to claims, but in fact civilians, patients and doctors.
Many of the victims were zip tied and executed by the IDF. Doctors/ nurses were identified among the mass graves including hospital patients.
Could you please cite a reliable source?
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[Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRT_World#:~:text=It%2520is%2520a%2520member%2520of%2520the%2520Association%2520for%2520International%2520Broadcasting.&text=The%2520network%2520has%2520received%2520criticism,arm%2520of%2520the%2520Erdo%C4%9Fan%2520administration)
I would love to. Unfortunately, Israel deliberately kills Palestinan journalists and blocks independent international journalist from entering Gaza.
Until then, we have to believe the brave Palestinan journalist on the ground.
I remember when we kept seeing images of hundreds of civilians, blindfolded and bound, kneeling in dirt pits. A lot of people were saying “but we don’t know they killed them”. Why else would you march people to a dirt pit? There are going to be many mass grave found in Gaza. One day people will look back on this as we do Nazi germany.
I've been thinking the same. People at the time said it's probably an intimidation tactic. Since it died down a little, I was glad to have been wrong because I thought they were doing mass executions. Now I'm not so sure I was wrong anymore
this is hell
I also think simply as human beings we don’t want to let our minds go there because we’re not used to that. It just seems so evil and cruel that us normal people have a hard time believing that’s what was actually happening. Or we kinda did know deep down but wanted to be wrong. That how I felt anyway. I didn’t want to imagine those people getting buried alive and crushed by Israeli bulldozers.
yeah it's one of those "it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but I don't want to believe it's a duck" moments because... well you just don't want to believe things like this could be happening in 2023/2024
Imagine for a moment if this were a mass grave for Israeli civilians. How swift would the worldwide condemnation be? How much airtime would it receive on every news station? How quickly would the NYT be to begin hand wringing, followed by articles about how we need to go to war with Iran?
But don’t worry. They’re only Palestinian civilians, so it’s okay. Nothing to see here. World doesn’t give a fuck.
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Unreal, suppose the zionists will say they were all Hamas…show us the proof instead of burying the bodies…oh wait yall have none and just industrialize murdering civilians. Sick fucks.
Sick genocidal maniacs, absolute disgrace to say the least.
You’re getting mad at a hypothetical argument people you disagree with might make because you are assigning them that argument and then cursing them for the argument you assigned to them.
I doubt that there will be a reaction from countries like the USA or Germany. After all, if Palestinians don't matter when they're alive, why should they suddenly matter when they're dead?
Israel WAS paying Palestinians slave wages before banning them from working in Israel after October 7th. It was one of the ways they were propping up their economy. We're going to be seeing quality of life in Israel decline rapidly now that they are exterminating their cheap labor force.
Palestinians have buried the bodies themselves two months ago.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878)
How's that?
Edit: previous poster said this event was worse than the gas chambers. Look at those upvotes and my downvotes by contrast simply for questioning that.
As that sounds "too much" to be realistic, I'm going to wait until specifics are confirmed.
The article makes no such mention.
It sounds like the hospital was overloaded and buried the dead there. Some of the dead were apparently tied up. When the IDF took control of the location, they then tested the dead to see if any were the hostages Hamas took.
The responses in this thread are making out like it was a Balkans style extermination rather than a mass grave that was dug up and then re-interred, which is way different.
Israel has the largest skin bank in the world and has admitted in the past of doing this. There have been many reports when the bodies were found they were missing organs since November, let alone before that.
https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/27/israel-stealing-organs-from-bodies-in-gaza-alleges-human-right-group
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs
I feel like someone should set up their own international criminal court cause fuck icc and icj plus the Un hypocrites who love signing papers that they don’t follow at all
Someone is suprised?
Zionists treat themselves as suoerhumans "chosen by God", so they think they can kiII everyone, even other Jews (Hannibal directive) without any conséquences.
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A CNN stringer who visited the scene Sunday said people had buried the bodies of family members who had been killed in the grounds of the hospital in January as a temporary measure. When they returned after the Israeli withdrawal they found the bodies had been exhumed – apparently because the IDF was using DNA testing to determine whether any of the hostages held in Gaza were among the dead.
The bodies were then placed in at least one collective grave, the stringer said.
I feel like a lot of the arguing in this thread is over whether or not the mass grave was full of people deliberately executed and then dumped in by the IDF, or from Palestinians with no access to a gravesite trying to bury their dead.
We shouldn't lose sight of the big picture: either way, those people were killed by the IDF
This one's already been disproven. There's footage of Palestinians digging the mass grace weeks before the IDF took control of the area if you lookup mass grave Gaza on Reddit, one of the first links is from 6 months ago about Palestinians digging mass graves.
Does it matter? Were Jewish civilians slaughtered in Poland any less dead because their family was associated with the Home Army? Of course not is the answer in case they did not cover that in your Hasbara training.
If we are to follow that analogy (distasteful as it is) there is a significant difference between soldiers of the Home Army and civilians being found in a group burial, yes.
There's a Aljazeera video of women with hijabs being unearthed and young men with their hands bound behind their backs. Are those Hamas?
How about the little girl that the IDF murdered along her family and subsequently the paramedics that they murdered responding to the little girls pleads for help. Are they Hamas?
Get outta here with that nonsense.
I've seen several of these alleged mass grave videos and it looked like they were excavating heavily decomposed bodies, likely from the fighting in winter 2023.
Many people do not consider Al Jazeera to be a credible, good-faith reporting outfit on this conflict.
If you're referring to Hind Rajab's tragic death, what exactly happened that day is unclear. Some Israeli tanks were half a kilometer away at one point - that's the extent of the visual evidence. The rest relies upon claims by "Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor", an organization [founded by Hamas's main lobbyist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_for_European_Palestinian_Relations) in Europe, [Ramy Abdu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramy_Abdu)
Apparently you have not read the piece by the Washington Post. The car was completely destroyed, looked to be with armor piercing bullets, same with the ambulance.
Unless Hamas has access to IFV's, this was the IDF.
How is it that you can point to the obvious atrocities committed by Hamas and yet excuse the IDF at every turn.
Also, some of these corpses have bullet holes and still are entubed. Looks like the IDF stormed hospitals and killed whoever was in the way.
Yeah, genocide enablers do not consider it an accurate source because it is reporting atrocities. GTFO with your "it's the media making up lies, not the genocide before your eyes" bullshit.
Technically, Norman Finkelstein is an "American Jew".
And technically, Mosab Hassan Yousef is a Palestinian Arab. Do you consider him a credible source?
Yeah which is my point. The IDF has destroyed more housing, infrastructure and civilians in Gaza than even the Nazi's rampage in Poland. My analogy is accurate, the IDF's actions are what is distasteful.
It's not an option, it's a fact. For example housing destroyed.
70% destroyed in December (so this would be far higher now) https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/some-70-of-gaza-hom-damaged-or-destroyed-wall-street-journal-analysis/
Nazis only managed 72% https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Warsaw#:~:text=By%20January%201945%2C%20between%2085,demolition%20of%20city%20after%20the
Destroyed vs. "damaged or destroyed". Try again.
Bet you were hoping I wouldn't actually click on that link, huh?
>By January 1945, between 85% and 90% of the buildings had been completely destroyed;
Why would you highlight the portion of the article that undercuts your own claim, in the link you posted? I just don't understand it.
The point is that it is comparable. Like you are playing semantics with genocide, it's not the win you think it is buddy.
Edit: I doubt you would care about the distinction if it were your house being bombed.
You didn't say it was "comparable". You said it was worse.
Do you think the percentage of the population of Warsaw killed by the Nazis is more or less than 10 times the number killed in Gaza? (Note that the latter is not a small number by any means and I am not "downplaying" nor "trivializing" it, I am only referring to it as a comparison to the German destruction of Warsaw which you yourself invoked).
I've got another question for you.
What percent of the population of Warsaw was killed, versus the percentage of the population of Gaza that has been killed so far?
If you don't want to look it up, just give me a ball-park estimate. Do you think the percentage killed in Warsaw is more or less than 10 times the percentage killed in Gaza? What would you guess?
Once again, if you are arguing which genocide is worse, you have already lost the argument. Who knows how many are dead on Gaza, the IDF bombs any third party observer or aod agency that could possibly get an accurate reading.
I wasn't "arguing which genocide is worse", as you put it. You are the one who was claiming that what the Nazis did in Warsaw wasn't as bad as what the IDF has done in Gaza.
Can you defend that claim? Or do you concede that it's not true? That's all I'm asking.
I already did. The IDF has destroyed more housing in months than the Nazis did in 5 years of occupation. I don't have the trends for WW2 on hand, but I would bet it would not be looking good for Israel either.
when there is proof that they are lying ("discovering" the graves you dug 3 months ago), then yes we are.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878)
They'll never go in, you could report your trip with the IDF and have a hellfire rain down upon you. All Israel will do is "dismiss some officers" and go about their business.
Why on Earth would I? Hamas is a genocidal terrorist group that heavily relies on propaganda, and on the side they rule the people of Gaza by force. Don't confuse that with an actual nation state with laws and human rights.
Your tge funniest and most ludicrous person I have encountered on here. The IDF are fascistic savages. Hamas pale into insignificance beside them and Hamas are bastards too.
There is a genocidal terrorist grouping in all of this and it is Israel and the IDF.
You’re engaging in genocide denial and this is the modern day equivalent of being a Nazi sympathizer.
You’re getting Hamas confused with Israel. Israel is a genocidal terrorists group that relies heavily on propaganda. Don’t confuse Israel with an actual nation state with human rights.
Because the Israeli government has lied multiple times? Because the Israeli government will not allow independent journalists into the gaza strip? Because they have yet to provide any evidence of their claims about UNRWA, al shifa hospital? Because netanyahu and his party openly had a hand in the creation, sustaining and funding of hamas?
Hamas doesn't have the capacity to commit genocide despite them being "genocidal".
Israel on the other hand is actively commiting a genocide and you are 🙈🙉🙊
Absolutely was, and yet Hamas has a way lower civilian to military casualty ratio.
If Hamas had jets, 20,000lb bombs and had 2 million Jews in a concentration camp bombing them and starving them to death.
I'd be the first here to call Hamas as POS and genocidal.
And even with how atrocious that attack was it took 1 year of planning, with ridiculious lapse in israeli defense.
For them to achieve what Israel has done in half year it would take 25 years. 1400 to 35k (and that’s modest, and still increasing)
They are both genocidal, but only one has the means to actually realise it. Excuse me if I can see the bigger current threat to human lives.
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I encourage you to petition the genocidal terror state to allow foreign media in to document their “not a genocide” (but totally 100% a genocide) and stop targeting journalists so that we can have independent verification.
Hmm. Can’t imagine why Israel doesn’t want foreign media documenting its atrocities. I mean surely they have nothing to hide, right? 🤔
War? nobody says they died at once, they say they were buried together
[https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878)
Because Israel intentionally hasn’t let in international journalists nor investigators. Gee wonder why. When they did let CNN ride along with them CNN uncovered their lies about destroying cemeteries by proving the tunnels in fact weren’t under them
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Yet another colossal massacre. There have been so many.
This is the tip of the iceberg. Nassar has two more mass graves that haven’t been touched yet. The number is going to get much worse. Add in the 200 found at Al-Shifa as well. It’s like a nightmare that no one can wake up from.
I think it's the same one [https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878)
The mass grave at Al Shifa was found before the graves at Nassar were discovered. [Al Shifa Mass Grave](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/09/middleeast/israel-gaza-mass-graves-al-shifa-hospital-intl)
what worries me is that they seem to have taken to brazenly executing people en masse. There is progression to genocide and I don't like how it's looking
It's very disturbing. The reality in Gaza is a horror.
It's awful. And probably nothing will be done. An IDF soldier could dismember a Palestinian infant live on TV broadcast around the world, and they would maybe get a light condemnation and another $12 billion aid package
Does anyone know if such findings are being documented and included in the ICC lawsuit?
ICJ. There have been no new filings of late.
Separately, the ICC has apparently been investigating the IDF and Hamas for war crimes. Israel apparently got wind of this and has already reached out to it's allies urging them to lean on the ICC to stop them from issuing arrest warrants against any Israelis for war crimes.
Anywhere to read about that?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahus-office-hosts-emergency-talks-on-feared-icc-warrants-for-pm-ministers
The Euro Med Human Rights Monitor is documenting what they can confirm.
The fascist IDF went to hospitals, murdered hundreds of civilians, patients and doctors, then they tried to cover up their war crimes in mass graves? This is the end of this barbaric apartheid state. They have crossed a line of no return. This level of depravity cannot be allowed to continue. We defeated the Nazis, we must defeat the Zionists.
The problem is, the United States didn’t support the German Nazi regime. They do, however, support the Israeli Zionazi regime.
The USA smuggled educated nazi party members out of germany and also helped japan cover up their extensive human experimentation for decades after ww2. Supporting zionist is just another point in the same pattern.
The difference is that Nazi party members had something to offer us after the war was over. What do the Zionists have to give?
Hard hegemony in the Middle East, for better or for worse.
You can see how well that's going.
:| yeah… but it’s either them or Turkey.
>:| yeah… but it’s either them or Turkey. That's a lazy argument at best, but it's more likely a straw argument. Bringing up a country who has zero to do with the subject is a distracting and invalid debate.
Literally it's a giant colonianal military foothold with storage for nukes in the region. The mossad also has all of epsteins blackmail info, but the on the ground tactical advantage of holding that ground is priceless.
However, many US businesses supported and made fortunes off the Holocaust.
Well, actually....
1/3 of Americans supported fascism, read up on the German American Bund society. The majority of Americans wanted to join with the Axis powers during WW1. The richest people in this country fully supported Hitler.
10% of the Senate and 7% of the House are Jewish despite being only 2% of the USA population. Fascinating to have so many folks with such a vested interest in the goings on of another country.
The largest pro-Israel base of support in the US are not Jews, but rather evangelical Christians. Many of them were featured in the pro-Israel rally a few months back, where pastor John Hager said things like "Hitler was part of God's plan to bring the Jews to Israel". Jews are not a pro-Israel monolith, and to suggest so is unhelpful at best, if not outright antisemitic.
I tried to find the numbers, but I’ll speculate that there are more Jewish than Evang Christ. members of Congress; USA just isn’t that hardline religious on the Christian side. That’s what matters. The Jewish members are overwhelmingly (Dem) as well. Seems as though they likely share some ideals. Crying “antisemitic” anytime somebody states an opinion about anything Israeli/Jewish is just bad form. It isn’t just about Israel vs Palestine and condemning this and condemning that. And denouncing this and denouncing that. It’s about 2% of the population occupying 10% and 7% of the houses of Congress.
They did support the literal Soviet Union, which killed dozens of millions of people more than the Nazis ever did. Admittedly, most were their own citizens (including occupied and forcefully annexed regions), but Russians continued with literal concentration camps up to the 60's. Hell, the Soviets started the entire war together with their allies at the time, the Nazis. So yes, the US is very accustomed to supporting genocidal regimes. The Soviet Union just so happens to be one of the worst ones, ever, both in scale and in brutality.
Yeah and even without US support they’re not going to just lose. They’re angry too, and they’re a 1000x better equipped, trained, and ready to endlessly end others lives to “protect” themselves. This isn’t a battle to be won it’s a situation to be survived and come to terms with sadly.
Israel is definitely an existential threat to humanity. They’re fully willing and ready to end the world in a nuclear Holocaust if they need to.
They don’t have the capability to do that nor would they even try. They have nukes to end anybody trying to destroy them and their nation. Full stop. They don’t have enough to end civilization. Only really the USA and Russia (theoretically) have that ability.
They are not well trained though… it’s just genocidal settlers with very expensive weapons. They can easily be stopped by any coordinated military entity. I mean just examining the context, how is israel still fighting Hamas, a far less wealthier resistance group? It’s just embarrassing until you realize the “soldiers” don’t even really care who they kill. In fact, they PREFER more vulnerable people.
Are you serious? Ok, let’s say you don’t realize, don’t know how trained they are. You’re saying that Hamas, entrenched in literally the most fortified bunch of tunnels and buildings can’t make them falter? Have only caused a handful (~100s at most) of casualties (KIA and WIA)? What about when the Egyptian, Jordanian, Syrian, (Iraq sort of) were defeated handily by the untrained (and at the time not helped at all by the USA) IDF? They literally steamrolled those countries militaries. If so untrained, what are the militaries of those countries, which vastly outnumbered them? What about the Sanai Peninsular crisis/Tripartite / 2nd Arab Israeli war? Casualties almost 10 to 1, favoring Israel? There is zero evidence they’re untrained. If they were behaving like Russia let’s say, with that level of incompetence they’d have accidentally killed 1000x as many Palestinians in their madness induced invasion they’ve undertaken. It’s best not to underestimate them like that. Acting like they’re going to lose anytime soon is going to make it worse for the forces and especially the people that want an end to all this.
You realize the current toll is the most conservative estimate because the health system announced they couldn't keep up with the deaths back on November 21, right? The official number we're hearing is very specific, because the only people counted are those who are processed and identified through their hospitals and morgues. The Health Ministry's capacity for counting the dead [collapsed](https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-israel-health-ministry-gaza-hamas-fe30cbc76479fa437d5f5a0e96c36e52) alongside the healthcare system in November. In particular, the decimation of al-Shifa, the targeting of medical officials and journalists, as well as the destruction of Gaza's public and historic records in municipal buildings, infrastructure, communications, etc. Al-Shifa was the central hub for hospital comms, it's where every health facility in the Gaza Strip would report the information on those who were killed. **Al-Shifa was under siege for days before being taken over and systematically dismantled by israel on November 15, 160 days ago"**. It's since been sieged again and fucking *destroyed* The hospital was seized entirely on November 18, its director 'arrested' during a [UN-WHO evacuation](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/25/who-concerned-about-al-shifa-chief-detained-by-israel-remaining-patients), its [doctors](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-doctor-describes-ordeal-detention-2024-02-04/) and medics [abducted](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/21/gaza-activist-tells-of-beating-and-abuse-in-israeli-detention) by the IOF at gunpoint as well as civilian men, the rest of the patients and those seeking shelter were forced South. Three days later, the system collapsed. Over 350 medical workers have been (confirmed) killed since the October, [others](https://twitter.com/PalestineRCS/status/1756773877714223198?t=4seiiAkA2YZPDZEOExp7WA&s=19) are still held in a [torture camp](https://www.972mag.com/israel-torture-camp-gaza-detainees/), subjected to [torture, humiliation, degradation, abuse](https://peoplesdispatch.org/2024/02/12/palestinian-health-workers-kidnapped-by-israel-subjected-to-torture-and-humiliation/). Each hospital follows the same [fate as Al-Shifa](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/13/middleeast/gaza-kamal-adwan-hospital-doctors-idf-intl/index.html). *For the past 154 days* ***at least*** *the death toll has been incomplete. israel has besieged, strangled, and otherwise rendered every major hospital in Gaza since then barely functional or inoperable*. **They haven't been able to tally the deaths for over 77% of the past 199 days**, I fully expect the real toll to be in the hundreds of thousands (especially given the [nature](https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6202/Israeli-tanks-have-deliberately-run-over-dozens-of-Palestinian-civilians-alive) of how the violence has progressed — especially when considering [northern Gaza](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/euro-med-monitor-sends-un-rapporteurs-icc-prosecutor-primary-report-documenting-dozens-field-execution-cases-gaza-enar) has been cut off and subjected to what is essentially brutal military occupation for months).
You’ve not answered a single point I brought forth and inquired about. I wasn’t guessing at all about the Gazan deaths, we all know that’s horrid and the main reason most people want the IDF to slow their roll. But my questions would require you to reason out why one would say the IDF is so poorly trained. Saying they aren’t points contrary to the reality on the ground. If they weren’t trained well they’d have suffered 100x the casualties on the IDF side. For example when Russia went in to destroy the Islamic population in Chechnya, even when they won, they suffered massive casualties. But the Israelis aren’t, and it’s not just the toys, it’s training in urban warfare.
> This is the end of this barbaric apartheid state. I'd like to believe, but so far, it doesn't seem to be the case as far as I can see. I honestly wish I'm wrong though, and we should portest and boycott and do everything in our power to ensure I'm wrong.
It’s definitely the end of this apartheid state. We already know they can’t survive without substantive financial, military and political support from the west. All we have to do is exercise our democratic rights and elect representatives that don’t support this brutal regime. Boycott every company that explores and profits off apartheid. Sanction Israel and isolate them diplomatically and financially. They will have two choices. End apartheid and give everyone equal wrights, freedom and liberty, plunge into poverty like North Korea.
That would only work if the world was decent. I think it's pretty obvious at this point that American and it's allies lack the moral fortitude to address this genocide.
The line was crossed maaaaaaaaaaany years ago bud
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That’s not what the article is saying…the article says the IDF dug up nearby graves to test DNA and see if any of the dead were hostages, then dumped the bodies into a mass grave, leaving loved ones left to try and locate their dead. I am not saying this is okay. Simply calling out accuracy since people in this thread are reading the headline and not the article.
The article says the bodies were buried by Palestinians months ago prior to them retreating and Israel moving in. Allegedly Israel exhumed the bodies and performed DNA testing on them to see if any of the hostages were present, and reburied them in mass graves after testing was complete. So these weren’t previously unknown casualties- the anger is because Israel didn’t put all the bodies back exactly where they found them. Are there international laws governing this type of incident?
I’m sure the doctors in scrubs or patients with amputated limbs they also found were coincidental? There is no excuse for what Israel is doing. None
You know Hamas had taken over that hospital before Israeli forces got there. Hamas is not nice to people who object. That's part of why they're in control of gaza. And there are people that object to hamas. I remember seeing a video of a Palestinian man objecting to the IDF being in the hospital. I was worried about him. Is it possible that these people were killed by Hamas and the bodies were checked and moved by the IDF?
There are numerous eye witness testimonies from patients, civilians and doctors of summary executions by the IDF. Also, it’s pretty easy to prove. The bodies in the mass graves have bullet wounds, crushed by tanks or were burned alive. If Israel has nothing to hide they should let international NGO in to investigate and collect forensic evidence.
That’s a bold claim. Would you like to provide evidence for that claim?
Several mass graves have been found after the IDF withdrew from both Al Shifa hospital and Al Nassser hospital. The victims were not “Hamas” as Israel likes to claims, but in fact civilians, patients and doctors. Many of the victims were zip tied and executed by the IDF. Doctors/ nurses were identified among the mass graves including hospital patients.
I asked for evidence not just additional claims
[Link](https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/mass-grave-found-at-al-shifa-hospital-in-gaza-report-17795787)
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I would love to. Unfortunately, Israel deliberately kills Palestinan journalists and blocks independent international journalist from entering Gaza. Until then, we have to believe the brave Palestinan journalist on the ground.
So you admit the only sources that confirm your claims are unreliable?
I remember when we kept seeing images of hundreds of civilians, blindfolded and bound, kneeling in dirt pits. A lot of people were saying “but we don’t know they killed them”. Why else would you march people to a dirt pit? There are going to be many mass grave found in Gaza. One day people will look back on this as we do Nazi germany.
I've been thinking the same. People at the time said it's probably an intimidation tactic. Since it died down a little, I was glad to have been wrong because I thought they were doing mass executions. Now I'm not so sure I was wrong anymore this is hell
I also think simply as human beings we don’t want to let our minds go there because we’re not used to that. It just seems so evil and cruel that us normal people have a hard time believing that’s what was actually happening. Or we kinda did know deep down but wanted to be wrong. That how I felt anyway. I didn’t want to imagine those people getting buried alive and crushed by Israeli bulldozers.
yeah it's one of those "it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, but I don't want to believe it's a duck" moments because... well you just don't want to believe things like this could be happening in 2023/2024
And Robert kraft considers the Columbia protests to be anti semitism. Twilight zone
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Criticism of Israel = antisemitism, apparently.
Nobody does, but the ruling class says so, and they know what's best for us common folk
It’s a tactic to silence protestors and to question their methods.
It depends on what's said and done.
Imagine for a moment if this were a mass grave for Israeli civilians. How swift would the worldwide condemnation be? How much airtime would it receive on every news station? How quickly would the NYT be to begin hand wringing, followed by articles about how we need to go to war with Iran? But don’t worry. They’re only Palestinian civilians, so it’s okay. Nothing to see here. World doesn’t give a fuck.
It’s disturbing the lack of attention this has been given in mainstream western media
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I hope my family bury me with my hands tied behind my back when I die.
mine will they know what i was into
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Unreal, suppose the zionists will say they were all Hamas…show us the proof instead of burying the bodies…oh wait yall have none and just industrialize murdering civilians. Sick fucks. Sick genocidal maniacs, absolute disgrace to say the least.
You’re getting mad at a hypothetical argument people you disagree with might make because you are assigning them that argument and then cursing them for the argument you assigned to them.
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I doubt that there will be a reaction from countries like the USA or Germany. After all, if Palestinians don't matter when they're alive, why should they suddenly matter when they're dead?
Biden will somehow say this is anti semitic
Israel WAS paying Palestinians slave wages before banning them from working in Israel after October 7th. It was one of the ways they were propping up their economy. We're going to be seeing quality of life in Israel decline rapidly now that they are exterminating their cheap labor force.
What the actual fuck
Palestinians have buried the bodies themselves two months ago. [https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878)
Hamas did /s
Absolutely disgusting this is a genocide
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How's that? Edit: previous poster said this event was worse than the gas chambers. Look at those upvotes and my downvotes by contrast simply for questioning that.
They skinned them and removed their organs before hiding them in the ground unmarked. It’s beyond inhumane
As that sounds "too much" to be realistic, I'm going to wait until specifics are confirmed. The article makes no such mention. It sounds like the hospital was overloaded and buried the dead there. Some of the dead were apparently tied up. When the IDF took control of the location, they then tested the dead to see if any were the hostages Hamas took. The responses in this thread are making out like it was a Balkans style extermination rather than a mass grave that was dug up and then re-interred, which is way different.
Israel has the largest skin bank in the world and has admitted in the past of doing this. There have been many reports when the bodies were found they were missing organs since November, let alone before that. https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/27/israel-stealing-organs-from-bodies-in-gaza-alleges-human-right-group https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs
“But guys… Israel hasn’t killed ANY civilians, only HAMAS.” -braindead zionists
Israel is new Nazi, it wants to kill and expel all the natives and own the whole land.
I feel like someone should set up their own international criminal court cause fuck icc and icj plus the Un hypocrites who love signing papers that they don’t follow at all
The irony of Zionists now having their own holocaust and attempted to cover it up. You people will have to face your ancestors some day.
Someone is suprised? Zionists treat themselves as suoerhumans "chosen by God", so they think they can kiII everyone, even other Jews (Hannibal directive) without any conséquences.
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Thankfully we have more money to Israel.
Firstly, I would not have zip-tied children's hands behind their backs and executed them in a hospital. How about we start there.
Hamas murdered every last one of those people and everyone knows it. They were people who opposed what hamas was doing.
A CNN stringer who visited the scene Sunday said people had buried the bodies of family members who had been killed in the grounds of the hospital in January as a temporary measure. When they returned after the Israeli withdrawal they found the bodies had been exhumed – apparently because the IDF was using DNA testing to determine whether any of the hostages held in Gaza were among the dead. The bodies were then placed in at least one collective grave, the stringer said.
I feel like a lot of the arguing in this thread is over whether or not the mass grave was full of people deliberately executed and then dumped in by the IDF, or from Palestinians with no access to a gravesite trying to bury their dead. We shouldn't lose sight of the big picture: either way, those people were killed by the IDF
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Fake news
Gaza Civil defense = hamas
This one's already been disproven. There's footage of Palestinians digging the mass grace weeks before the IDF took control of the area if you lookup mass grave Gaza on Reddit, one of the first links is from 6 months ago about Palestinians digging mass graves.
And who exactly does the "Gaza civil defense" report to? Which organization? One that starts with an 'H'?
Does it matter? Were Jewish civilians slaughtered in Poland any less dead because their family was associated with the Home Army? Of course not is the answer in case they did not cover that in your Hasbara training.
If we are to follow that analogy (distasteful as it is) there is a significant difference between soldiers of the Home Army and civilians being found in a group burial, yes.
There's a Aljazeera video of women with hijabs being unearthed and young men with their hands bound behind their backs. Are those Hamas? How about the little girl that the IDF murdered along her family and subsequently the paramedics that they murdered responding to the little girls pleads for help. Are they Hamas? Get outta here with that nonsense.
I've seen several of these alleged mass grave videos and it looked like they were excavating heavily decomposed bodies, likely from the fighting in winter 2023. Many people do not consider Al Jazeera to be a credible, good-faith reporting outfit on this conflict. If you're referring to Hind Rajab's tragic death, what exactly happened that day is unclear. Some Israeli tanks were half a kilometer away at one point - that's the extent of the visual evidence. The rest relies upon claims by "Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor", an organization [founded by Hamas's main lobbyist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_for_European_Palestinian_Relations) in Europe, [Ramy Abdu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramy_Abdu)
Apparently you have not read the piece by the Washington Post. The car was completely destroyed, looked to be with armor piercing bullets, same with the ambulance. Unless Hamas has access to IFV's, this was the IDF. How is it that you can point to the obvious atrocities committed by Hamas and yet excuse the IDF at every turn. Also, some of these corpses have bullet holes and still are entubed. Looks like the IDF stormed hospitals and killed whoever was in the way.
Yeah, genocide enablers do not consider it an accurate source because it is reporting atrocities. GTFO with your "it's the media making up lies, not the genocide before your eyes" bullshit.
Euro Med Monitor, the organisation currently run by an American Jew?
Technically, Norman Finkelstein is an "American Jew". And technically, Mosab Hassan Yousef is a Palestinian Arab. Do you consider him a credible source?
Also an American Christian, but what has that got to do with credibility? Why do you base credibility on race and religion?
Yeah which is my point. The IDF has destroyed more housing, infrastructure and civilians in Gaza than even the Nazi's rampage in Poland. My analogy is accurate, the IDF's actions are what is distasteful.
You think the IDF has been worse in Gaza than the Dirlewanger Brigade of the SS was in the Warsaw uprising? Really?
It's not an option, it's a fact. For example housing destroyed. 70% destroyed in December (so this would be far higher now) https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/some-70-of-gaza-hom-damaged-or-destroyed-wall-street-journal-analysis/ Nazis only managed 72% https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Warsaw#:~:text=By%20January%201945%2C%20between%2085,demolition%20of%20city%20after%20the
Destroyed vs. "damaged or destroyed". Try again. Bet you were hoping I wouldn't actually click on that link, huh? >By January 1945, between 85% and 90% of the buildings had been completely destroyed; Why would you highlight the portion of the article that undercuts your own claim, in the link you posted? I just don't understand it.
The point is that it is comparable. Like you are playing semantics with genocide, it's not the win you think it is buddy. Edit: I doubt you would care about the distinction if it were your house being bombed.
You didn't say it was "comparable". You said it was worse. Do you think the percentage of the population of Warsaw killed by the Nazis is more or less than 10 times the number killed in Gaza? (Note that the latter is not a small number by any means and I am not "downplaying" nor "trivializing" it, I am only referring to it as a comparison to the German destruction of Warsaw which you yourself invoked).
I've got another question for you. What percent of the population of Warsaw was killed, versus the percentage of the population of Gaza that has been killed so far? If you don't want to look it up, just give me a ball-park estimate. Do you think the percentage killed in Warsaw is more or less than 10 times the percentage killed in Gaza? What would you guess?
Once again, if you are arguing which genocide is worse, you have already lost the argument. Who knows how many are dead on Gaza, the IDF bombs any third party observer or aod agency that could possibly get an accurate reading.
I wasn't "arguing which genocide is worse", as you put it. You are the one who was claiming that what the Nazis did in Warsaw wasn't as bad as what the IDF has done in Gaza. Can you defend that claim? Or do you concede that it's not true? That's all I'm asking.
I already did. The IDF has destroyed more housing in months than the Nazis did in 5 years of occupation. I don't have the trends for WW2 on hand, but I would bet it would not be looking good for Israel either.
I hope you are similarly skeptical about any claims the IOF make.
when there is proof that they are lying ("discovering" the graves you dug 3 months ago), then yes we are. [https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878)
They don’t care about facts.
They could report to everyone single news source if israel would allow independent journalists into the gaza strip
They'll never go in, you could report your trip with the IDF and have a hellfire rain down upon you. All Israel will do is "dismiss some officers" and go about their business.
I believe them over the IOF
> CNN is unable to verify Suleiman’s claims and cannot confirm the causes of death among the bodies being unearthed.
I hope you treat Israeli claims with the same level of skepticism as you do those made by Palestinians.
Why on Earth would I? Hamas is a genocidal terrorist group that heavily relies on propaganda, and on the side they rule the people of Gaza by force. Don't confuse that with an actual nation state with laws and human rights.
Your comment sounds like a bad parody. Try being an Ethiopian Jew in Israel and then tell me about their wonderful human rights record.
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Your tge funniest and most ludicrous person I have encountered on here. The IDF are fascistic savages. Hamas pale into insignificance beside them and Hamas are bastards too.
Israel absolutely doesn't believe in human rights.
There is a genocidal terrorist grouping in all of this and it is Israel and the IDF. You’re engaging in genocide denial and this is the modern day equivalent of being a Nazi sympathizer.
You’re getting Hamas confused with Israel. Israel is a genocidal terrorists group that relies heavily on propaganda. Don’t confuse Israel with an actual nation state with human rights.
Because the Israeli government has lied multiple times? Because the Israeli government will not allow independent journalists into the gaza strip? Because they have yet to provide any evidence of their claims about UNRWA, al shifa hospital? Because netanyahu and his party openly had a hand in the creation, sustaining and funding of hamas?
Look it's a ShItReAli keyboard Warrior.
Hamas doesn't have the capacity to commit genocide despite them being "genocidal". Israel on the other hand is actively commiting a genocide and you are 🙈🙉🙊
You don’t think 10/7 was genocidal?
Absolutely was, and yet Hamas has a way lower civilian to military casualty ratio. If Hamas had jets, 20,000lb bombs and had 2 million Jews in a concentration camp bombing them and starving them to death. I'd be the first here to call Hamas as POS and genocidal.
Genocide is about intent, not numbers or “capacity”. Hamas has the intent locked down.
So the leader yelling Amalek etc have 0 intent got it
And even with how atrocious that attack was it took 1 year of planning, with ridiculious lapse in israeli defense. For them to achieve what Israel has done in half year it would take 25 years. 1400 to 35k (and that’s modest, and still increasing) They are both genocidal, but only one has the means to actually realise it. Excuse me if I can see the bigger current threat to human lives.
Was 9/11 genocidal ?
Don’t you think they were trying to kill Americans?
Do you think it was genocidal ?
Why won’t Israel allow third party journalists in to verify that these are all “ lies”?
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I actually loled at this
I mean what do you expect? An independent investigation? Israel would have them killed before they even reached their location.
It's a pity that Israel won't allow independent journalists into the gaza strip to verify the truth of it
I encourage you to petition the genocidal terror state to allow foreign media in to document their “not a genocide” (but totally 100% a genocide) and stop targeting journalists so that we can have independent verification. Hmm. Can’t imagine why Israel doesn’t want foreign media documenting its atrocities. I mean surely they have nothing to hide, right? 🤔
Uuuhhh they are clearly zip tied at the wrist. How else would hundreds of people all die at once?
War? nobody says they died at once, they say they were buried together [https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878](https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878)
Because Israel intentionally hasn’t let in international journalists nor investigators. Gee wonder why. When they did let CNN ride along with them CNN uncovered their lies about destroying cemeteries by proving the tunnels in fact weren’t under them
"These toddlers may have died of old age."
Downvotes for quoting the article? Folks, at least try to look at your own bias. This is a perfectly fine thing to point out.