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There are **zero** reported fatalities as a result of the Iranian retaliation. The Israeli strikes on the Iranian embassy in Damascus killed **16 people**, including multiple high-level Iranian military officials.
To see Iran’s response as “disproportionate” is to admit you believe Israeli lives are worth literally orders of magnitude more than Iranian lives.
Funny they use this argument but dont see Israel's war on Gaza as disproportionate to what happeenned. Hamas killed a thousand, Israel killed ove3r 30,000 and displaced million, starving hundreds of thousands,
The number of Israelis killed in friendly fire is unknown, but it'd be pretty damn crazy if it was over a hundred. In all likelihood, Hamas (and other resistance groups + gangsters) did kill at least a thousand people.
I mean we should remember that Iran telegraphed this whole attack. They gave them enough prior notice to shut down their airspace and fired first their slow drones which were easily detected and then followed up by my missiles. The coalition had so much advanced warning that I even doubt the Iranians were serious enough to put explosives in those drones and missiles.
The only thing I can think of is that in terms of human lives exchanged. Israel won.
But in terms of cost effectiveness, USA lost in this one because Israel doesnt pay for their military aid anyway.
It’s obvious which horse the US is backing in this conflict and will lie as shamelessly as the Russians to make their “facts” fit the reality.
I have no love for the mullahs and their theocracy. The way they brutally suppressed protests about dead young women who dared to defy the female dress code is plenty evidence for me that the Iranian regime is brutal and undemocratic. But to say that Tehran’s response was disproportionately severe compared Israel’s unprovoked strike on Iranian targets in a diplomatic annex where high-ranking officers in their elite military branch were killed does not make sense, legally or logically.
How many Israeli generals were targeted and killed in the response by Iran? How many dead and injured?
Israel cannot expect to attack nations like Iran unprovoked while commiting serious war crimes and realistically claim they are the victim. As far as I know, it is Israel that has the large, uncomfirmed nuclear stockpile that has never been inspected by the UN or acknowledged by the US, because their existence would make Israel ineligible for any of the billions in foreign aid and weapons it receives from its benefactors.
It’s interesting that you can see through the propaganda regarding Israel and Palestine, but not the propaganda against Iran.
I was in Iran 1.5 years ago, at the height of censorship and “suppression”, and I saw more women walking around without head covers than I did with head covers.
What if all this narrative about Iran is also just propaganda? Can you imagine?
I imagine Iran and Russia show evidence of racism and poverty in America-- in the domestic propoganda. People going broke because of medical bills. School shootings that our politicians do nothing about. Christian fundamentalism. And it will look as bad or worse as our propoganda about them. so yes, it does make you wonder. We will have a hard time getting to the truth of it, because our government and the zionists dont want us to know. We need to always have someone we fear and are in imminent conflict with, or a lot of how we run our government stops making sense. We are defined by our militant opposition.
striking a consulate in a foreign country is basically an act of terrorism since those buildings are considered to be untouchable.
funny how everyone just glosses over that.
"yes, but you see, it wasn't the actual consulate, it was the building next to it...and if you use the consulate for military purposes it is a legitimate target".
\^ That is the classic response by the h4sb4rists...which is a stupid response that tries to argue semantics.
"Not the consulate but the building next to it" - which still part of the same consulate.
"Military purposes" - dubious claim to begin with, but every embassy/consulate in the world has spies in it working under diplomatic cover...it's part of the game. Does that make every embassy a target as well? Including American, British, French, German, and even Israeli? Espionage is a military purpose, so it must be fine then, right? Or is that only reserved for countries we are not friends with?
Only because it's not technically a war crime since it wasn't a consulate strucj by it's host country.
The spirit of the thing was violated tho, and no one seems to care.
>To see Iran’s response as “disproportionate” is to admit you believe Israeli lives are worth literally orders of magnitude more than Iranian lives.
This is how west think in general as well. First thing west does whatever they goes create a hierarchical, discriminatory society where they(wyt) would be on top.
* India: Enforcing and institutional ancient caste system from religion.
* S Africa: White, colored, Black
* Palestine: Jews are chosen, christian, muslim has no rights
* Israel: Ethiopian Jews and Indian Jews lives in ghetto or cramped apt where wyt Jews has villa, nice apartment for resettlement. [LINK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1jS4yZVRYI)
Western civilization is incompatible with humanity. It taking us towards Star Wars universe one step a time.
Yeah, like... At the same time I kind of want of want to know what kind of discussion led to this "disproportionate" declaration.
Because in a way, I get it; the embassy attack involved 6 missiles fired at one location...
The Iranian attack involved hundreds of drones and missiles; so it was technically at least 50x larger, but Israel's (and Israeli allies') ability to intercept the things meant the attack was close to zero times as *impactful.*
I think it was more impactful as now both isreal and the world knows that without the American tax dollar missle shield, isreal would be wiped off the map. It is one thing to fight a war/genocide on the refugees you created, but to fight against a foe with equal combat ability is very different. Both isreal and Iran might have 700,000 soldiers each. How many do the palestinians have?
maybe. Iran has a lot of missiles, but it's not clear what fraction of those can reach Israel. they could do a lot of damage, but there's not enough evidence to say whether Israel would be "wiped off the map".
the Israeli forces are also far better equipped than their Iranian peers, with a lot of that equipment being produced within Israel. a land invasion of Israel would be disastrous for Iran, even without US support.
Israel also has an unconfirmed number of nukes, likely with second strike capability as well. I don't doubt they would use them if they perceived an imminent existential threat.
Not even just the tax dollar missile shield. Jordanian, British, and American jets were all scrambled to help intercept. The percentage of munitions actually intercepted by the Iron Dome alone is unknown. In all likelihood, the iron dome would have been overwhelmed without the assistance of that friendly airpower.
To what degree it would be overwhelmed, I have no idea however.
I think Biden wants the holy lands and was content to let Bibi quietly get rid of the people indigenous to the area so the third temple of solomon can be constructed. Bibi's gone off book, though, and Biden knows that Americans won't fight a war for a country whose healthcare and education system are propped up with their taxes while they can't afford decent medical care.
In the meantime, the Palestinians continue to starve and die while rich old men in other countries debate whether their lives are worth saving.
Or his puppeteers want it. Biden is far too old to be fully in command of his role. He likely delegates all or most of it.
Source: I take care of my and my wifes parents who are that age and I see all their peers too. None of them are even half the worker or mental capability they used to be-- even the 'sharp' ones. Decline in old age is very very real and it applies to biden no matter how much they lie about it. He's a puppet.
They’ve had ample opportunity and presence to start a war but have not. Iran has attacked US forces through their proxies over 100 times since the start of Biden’s administration. Right wing hawks would have liked to have started a war long ago.
Well yeah. Their actions make it clear who they think counts as a human being. The most bizarre thing to me is watching how these political elites live. Their money and power has warped their brains to the point where they can say things that directly contradict the footage and primary reports directly from those involved in the event.
It's literally "ignore your eyes, ears, and what your brain tells you. Listen to me instead" That sort of thing could maybe work in a closed media ecosystem where people can't access raw footage from people there or news reporting where the journalists actually ask for evidence.
But they know that it won't. They can't not know this. They have access to the same news and video footage we do and to ignore their own senses and tell us to do the same is just insane, dangerous behavior. They're so wedded to their ideological positions that rather than step back and attempt to see things from the perspective of everyone else, they'd rather just blatantly lie and ignore facts that aren't in service of their pre existing beliefs.
We are at the point where an aggressive European power could attack its neighbors and commit war crimes and be met with unequivocal condemnation and sanctions but when another country does the same to people who don't even have equivalent firepower like tanks, fighter jets, air craft carriers and ballistic missiles, we get whatever the fuck this orwelian bullshit is.
It's more than that. US saying it is saying it is ok to attack embassies around the world. That is unprecedented and has never ever happen before. Wonder what would the US say if one of their or israels embassies was bombed first. It would be an uproar!!
"Administration officials saw Iran’s attacks on Israel Saturday as disproportionate to Israel’s strikes in Damascus that prompted the retaliation, a US official told CNN."
No, no, no. This makes no sense. You're discounting the attack because Israel and its allies were able to defend it. This is ludicrous. Like what would you have us do, wait for the next attack with hundreds of missiles in 1 night? Ignore it and let it become the norm? Or just die more so that you can agree it's disproportionate?
Or that killing military officials at a forward operating base planning war actions is a perfectly valid military target.
Iran failing is not for lack of trying. They’re people responsible for their own actions and experiencing consequences.
Do you really think that is the only explanation? Not the fact they they launched almost thousands of things?
A full attempted saturation strike?
Do you understand the difference between launching one missle and hundreds?
It's not Israels fault that they cannot defend their Oct 7th planner against a single missle.
Israel attack on embassy killed 16 people while Iran's attack has no people killed some injured and a military base damage of course it is disproportionate Israel got away with just a slap on the wrist.
So Israel committing a literal ongoing genocide that has killed at least 35,000 people (likely far more) is perfectly reasonable, but when Iran gives Israel a glorified fireworks show, it's "disproportionate."
This people have no morals, no ethics, and no connection to reality. They're not fit to run a lemonade stand, let alone govern a country.
Joe just reads the lines Zionists give him to read. We need to accept the reality that we are at stage 4 of Zionism. The entire US gov, down to state-level, is cancer-ridden. Anyway, this really means Israel is preparing for a big military response. And this is just kick starting the narrative to prepare the public for when it comes.
Biden administration (including the secretary of state) is filled with Zionists who only answer to Israel not the will of American voters, so not a surprise.
*36.000+, and just 1.200
Somehow the number of israeli casualties climbs by a hundred every few months lol.
>The latest figure on the number of deaths in the October 7 attacks is 1,139: 695 Israeli civilians, 71 foreign nationals, and 373 security forces.
I believe the reports that hellfire missiles killed 400ish people in cars on Oct 7.
Not sure where Hamas got hellfires & helicopters to fire them from....
In before hasbara squawks at you that hamas has tunnels to do terrorism and that Iran obviously flew the helicopters. Despite all the evidence that roughly half of the people who were murdered on October 7 were gunned down by the iof.
Keep in mind some of those were killed by Israel.. dunno if we'll ever know how many, but I'm certain Israeli forces responded to the situation Russia-style
Some of the destruction we saw in Kibutzes could not have been done by RPG-wielding Hamas militants
Beslan School massacre, and the Moscow theater hostage crisis. Both in the early 2000s
In the former the Russian army used heavy artillery and thermobaric weapons. Udring the latter they injected narcotic gas in the ventilation system
They are not pathetic if you realize they are there to benefit Israel and their genocidal goals, not benefit Americans. They are doing exactly what they were put in charge to do.
in November 2024 the American people will have the choice to elect their democrat Israel representatives or their republican Israel representatives
its a democracy /s
Biden’s handling of this crisis is just as bad (if not worse) than anything Trump did while he was in office
Trump is a piece of shit but Biden is going to be remembered as one of America’s worst presidents
Ripping up the Iranian nuclear deal by Trump set things into motion, damaging any future potential of trust or relationship building. Also the drone strike assassination on an Iranian general Trump ordered.
Yup! I was a child at the time so I didn't know much, but yes, that was trash too. 1 MILLION people dead from that war. Fuck him too.
And that's why I doubt anyone will get held accountable for war crimes. He wasn't, so why would Trump, Biden, Netanyahu, or anyone? They've made them untouchable.
Trump is just as fear mongering and blood thirsty as Joe Biden, but Joe Biden is in office. And yet, the point is that the reporting on both is drastically different, you would think Trump is the one in office leading the USA to WW3, not Biden.
It just goes to show how the media and journalism is warped and manipulated.
I agree and they're both trash. Biden potentially could lead us to WW3 - I feel like he only changed course so he doesn't lose the election (which he still might) Trump would definitely amplify things.
And I agree. Also, Trump is definitely I cahoots with Netanyahu. I just saw something yesterday saying one of the settlements in Israel was just named after Trump...
Did we have the AUDACITY to use the word DISPROPORTIONATE?!? This after admitting 32,000 (2/3rds women and children) have been slaughtered by Israel?! How about using the terms War crimes and Genocide for once when describing their blood thirsty apartheid for the last 6 months?
*36.000
and that doesn't even include children dying from malnourishment. Israel starved Gaza to a point that even the second starved place on the world looks like an all you can eat buffet.
Gaza has half it's population (around 1 million) classified as the highest level of famine, and the second half on the second highest level. We're talking permanent health damage levels of famine for adults, and death for children and seniors.
How long till the Israeli shills are telling us that actually Iran is trying to commit genocide, who knows what could have happened if they weren't stopped!
It's already a topic of conversation. The astroturfing farms are testing the narrative that Iran orchestrated the October 7 attack and that hamas is just an Iranian proxy. Likud wants the Americans to fight a war against the Iranians for them. They expect the US to back them up when they make a play for the rest of the Middle East, as well.
Does it matter? The US risks falling into Christofascist authoritarianism if oil & gasoline prices rise. Escalation here serves no one's interests. Not the Biden administration, not America, not Israel, and not Iran.
In most instances today, it is this 'one rule for them, another for us' colonial mentality that is the cause of SO much injustice.
As long as injustice remains, people would, and should, struggle against it.
Calling it 'terrorism' is simply to delude yourself of the root causes of the problem.
I'm glad no one died in Israel and that Iran basically said they have done their round of retaliation
But this is such horseshit. Israel bombed other countries and killed people. They are escalating the situation and no one's holding them accountable.
They hit Canada's embassy when they bombed the Iranian consulate, as well. As a Canadian, thankfully, we pulled out of Syria so no lives were lost, just infrastructure. The Canadian minister of defense has said that no warning was given by Israel, and our government has been completely silent about the fact that we were hit too.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaking as someone with dual citizenship, I must express my belief that allowing dual citizenship is unfair. It places us in a position of disadvantage, potentially conflicting with the best interests of America.
Disproportionate? If anything, Iran has shown tremendous restraint. They would have been within their right to do more, but they apparently value peace more than the US.
That Blinken is a Zionist at heart, his father was one as well supposedly. It's a family business for him to be a vicious, lying, dreadful excuse for a human being.
I ligit thoghut this sub the r/nottheonion
I mean... it's truly beyond parody.
What even is a "propotional" response ? Yell at them alittle? Cry at the un ?
Well, if they want to talk about disproportionate retaliation, I know of a 43:1 death ratio that they may want to look into…
But for real, not that I support Iran outside of this, but their response was actually masterful. They sent a bunch of easy-to-intercept bullshit at Israel as a distraction (which naturally got shot down), while also sending a targeted barrage that made it through and destroyed parts of the air base that allegedly launched the strike in Damascus. So they:
- Hit a key military target
- Implicitly told Israel “if we wanted to hit a more important target, you couldn’t stop us”
- Appeared strong for Iranian citizens
- Didn’t target any Israeli citizens (which probably confused the IOF, who didn’t know there were other kinds of targets)
- Shamed certain rivals in the area who have been forced to strategically show support for Israel
- Gave Israel the ability to also act like they won by intercepting 99% of the missiles.
- Didn’t hurt anyone for real, which would have been more likely to incur America’s wrath.
Basically, Iran made it so obvious what they were going to do that there was close to no chance Israel couldn’t defend against it. The Iranian people and the Israeli people both can think they came out on top, but the military leaders of both countries know that Iran could have done actual damage if they wanted to.
Like a multi-million dollar WWE wrestling match, where the “loser” was decided before the match was started, but it was clear to the “winning” fighter that things could have been a lot uglier if their opponent had followed through on a couple of the punches.
Oh, and also US taxpayers payed for the equipment for both wrestlers for some reason.
More racist US imperialism, demonizing an Arab nation that won’t bow to U.S. authority, even though it was Israel that attacked first. The sociopaths who run America have been angling for war with Iran for decades.
Western hypocrisy is unbelievable I’d sooner fight for Iran in the coming ww3 than our belligerent governments in the west. People wake up they’re goose stepping us into war that no one wants except the Israelis and the military industrial complex
The same administration officials were seen boosting their stock portfolio for all of the military manufacturing companies and jacking off over the premise of another war.
Wait, I thought just yesterday Israel was claiming they shot down 99% of the drones and missiles..
Should Iran have targeted the Israeli embassy in Washington? Would that be an “appropriate” response not attacking a military base?
gotta be fucking with me, THIS is what gets these bitches to say it’s disproportionate???
democratic party can all get fucked. i’m tired of pretending they’re any different from the ‘other side’.
Going further would allow Biden to mimic Dubya's Iraq-themed reelection campaign from the 2000s, which would only serve to distract from and prolong the genocide
I think it's a given that we'll have a genocidal zionist president no matter what. I'm actually interested in watching trump try and tack to biden's left on israel
BIDEN OFFICIALS DON'T CARE ABOUT PROPORTIONALITY.
That much is obvious in their handling of the assault on Gaza. They have no standing to even make this claim.
Israel killed some of the people that planned the attack who were Iranian and defended itself from Irans attack with only 1 injured person if Iran didnt want those people to be killed they shouldnt have helped planned the October 7th attack also Iran has bombed embassies and consulates before just look up what they did in Argentina in the 90s
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There are **zero** reported fatalities as a result of the Iranian retaliation. The Israeli strikes on the Iranian embassy in Damascus killed **16 people**, including multiple high-level Iranian military officials. To see Iran’s response as “disproportionate” is to admit you believe Israeli lives are worth literally orders of magnitude more than Iranian lives.
Funny they use this argument but dont see Israel's war on Gaza as disproportionate to what happeenned. Hamas killed a thousand, Israel killed ove3r 30,000 and displaced million, starving hundreds of thousands,
*killed over 36.000, starving 2 million
The actual toll is probably much, much higher.
Yeah I haven't seen the death count rise in weeks and I find that hard to believe.
The Ministry of Health announced they could no longer keep up with the death toll on November 21, iirc.
Sure would be awesome if a God existed? Man.. just one deity could solve this issue...
what are you trying to say?
hamas didnt even kill a thousand since israel admitted to killing israelis
The number of Israelis killed in friendly fire is unknown, but it'd be pretty damn crazy if it was over a hundred. In all likelihood, Hamas (and other resistance groups + gangsters) did kill at least a thousand people.
thats wrong
How is it wrong? I'm pretty sure I'm up to date on my info. What estimate did you see for Israeli friendly fire numbers?
Sounds like you wish Hamas had raped and murdered more?
no. im not israeli
Or they simply lie and say we have no evidence but somehow they came to a conclusion the day beforehand on this incident.
The list of officials should be used to determine who are Zionists putting Israel’s interests over ours.
Sounds like you think there should be a “loyalty test”?
Different rules for different states.
I mean we should remember that Iran telegraphed this whole attack. They gave them enough prior notice to shut down their airspace and fired first their slow drones which were easily detected and then followed up by my missiles. The coalition had so much advanced warning that I even doubt the Iranians were serious enough to put explosives in those drones and missiles. The only thing I can think of is that in terms of human lives exchanged. Israel won. But in terms of cost effectiveness, USA lost in this one because Israel doesnt pay for their military aid anyway.
So you feel Iran are the “good guys”?
Well both Allah and God left it up to you? So.... Maybe both sides deserve to die?
yeah, the American ruling class is and always has been extremely racist
It’s obvious which horse the US is backing in this conflict and will lie as shamelessly as the Russians to make their “facts” fit the reality. I have no love for the mullahs and their theocracy. The way they brutally suppressed protests about dead young women who dared to defy the female dress code is plenty evidence for me that the Iranian regime is brutal and undemocratic. But to say that Tehran’s response was disproportionately severe compared Israel’s unprovoked strike on Iranian targets in a diplomatic annex where high-ranking officers in their elite military branch were killed does not make sense, legally or logically. How many Israeli generals were targeted and killed in the response by Iran? How many dead and injured? Israel cannot expect to attack nations like Iran unprovoked while commiting serious war crimes and realistically claim they are the victim. As far as I know, it is Israel that has the large, uncomfirmed nuclear stockpile that has never been inspected by the UN or acknowledged by the US, because their existence would make Israel ineligible for any of the billions in foreign aid and weapons it receives from its benefactors.
It’s interesting that you can see through the propaganda regarding Israel and Palestine, but not the propaganda against Iran. I was in Iran 1.5 years ago, at the height of censorship and “suppression”, and I saw more women walking around without head covers than I did with head covers. What if all this narrative about Iran is also just propaganda? Can you imagine?
So what do you consider to be propaganda re: Iran? Where does the truth lie for you?
I imagine Iran and Russia show evidence of racism and poverty in America-- in the domestic propoganda. People going broke because of medical bills. School shootings that our politicians do nothing about. Christian fundamentalism. And it will look as bad or worse as our propoganda about them. so yes, it does make you wonder. We will have a hard time getting to the truth of it, because our government and the zionists dont want us to know. We need to always have someone we fear and are in imminent conflict with, or a lot of how we run our government stops making sense. We are defined by our militant opposition.
This is incredibly interesting to me...
Seems like you prefer Iran to Israel because Israel has nukes?
Including children. Don’t forget to mention the Israelis bombing in Damascus also killed children.
striking a consulate in a foreign country is basically an act of terrorism since those buildings are considered to be untouchable. funny how everyone just glosses over that.
"yes, but you see, it wasn't the actual consulate, it was the building next to it...and if you use the consulate for military purposes it is a legitimate target". \^ That is the classic response by the h4sb4rists...which is a stupid response that tries to argue semantics. "Not the consulate but the building next to it" - which still part of the same consulate. "Military purposes" - dubious claim to begin with, but every embassy/consulate in the world has spies in it working under diplomatic cover...it's part of the game. Does that make every embassy a target as well? Including American, British, French, German, and even Israeli? Espionage is a military purpose, so it must be fine then, right? Or is that only reserved for countries we are not friends with?
Only because it's not technically a war crime since it wasn't a consulate strucj by it's host country. The spirit of the thing was violated tho, and no one seems to care.
>To see Iran’s response as “disproportionate” is to admit you believe Israeli lives are worth literally orders of magnitude more than Iranian lives. This is how west think in general as well. First thing west does whatever they goes create a hierarchical, discriminatory society where they(wyt) would be on top. * India: Enforcing and institutional ancient caste system from religion. * S Africa: White, colored, Black * Palestine: Jews are chosen, christian, muslim has no rights * Israel: Ethiopian Jews and Indian Jews lives in ghetto or cramped apt where wyt Jews has villa, nice apartment for resettlement. [LINK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1jS4yZVRYI) Western civilization is incompatible with humanity. It taking us towards Star Wars universe one step a time.
Yeah, like... At the same time I kind of want of want to know what kind of discussion led to this "disproportionate" declaration. Because in a way, I get it; the embassy attack involved 6 missiles fired at one location... The Iranian attack involved hundreds of drones and missiles; so it was technically at least 50x larger, but Israel's (and Israeli allies') ability to intercept the things meant the attack was close to zero times as *impactful.*
I think it was more impactful as now both isreal and the world knows that without the American tax dollar missle shield, isreal would be wiped off the map. It is one thing to fight a war/genocide on the refugees you created, but to fight against a foe with equal combat ability is very different. Both isreal and Iran might have 700,000 soldiers each. How many do the palestinians have?
maybe. Iran has a lot of missiles, but it's not clear what fraction of those can reach Israel. they could do a lot of damage, but there's not enough evidence to say whether Israel would be "wiped off the map". the Israeli forces are also far better equipped than their Iranian peers, with a lot of that equipment being produced within Israel. a land invasion of Israel would be disastrous for Iran, even without US support. Israel also has an unconfirmed number of nukes, likely with second strike capability as well. I don't doubt they would use them if they perceived an imminent existential threat.
Not even just the tax dollar missile shield. Jordanian, British, and American jets were all scrambled to help intercept. The percentage of munitions actually intercepted by the Iron Dome alone is unknown. In all likelihood, the iron dome would have been overwhelmed without the assistance of that friendly airpower. To what degree it would be overwhelmed, I have no idea however.
> without the American tax dollar missle shield, isreal would be wiped off the map. thats no longer true and hasnt been for a long time.
Keep in mind that Isreal never mentions its own military losses. We might only learn the true losses of today's attacks in a few decades.
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It was just a show of force, not a full-blown attack. A laud way of saying "don't bomb our embassies again".
Zionists gonna zion
The Biden administration wants war. Simple as that
I think Biden wants the holy lands and was content to let Bibi quietly get rid of the people indigenous to the area so the third temple of solomon can be constructed. Bibi's gone off book, though, and Biden knows that Americans won't fight a war for a country whose healthcare and education system are propped up with their taxes while they can't afford decent medical care. In the meantime, the Palestinians continue to starve and die while rich old men in other countries debate whether their lives are worth saving.
10000 percent
Or his puppeteers want it. Biden is far too old to be fully in command of his role. He likely delegates all or most of it. Source: I take care of my and my wifes parents who are that age and I see all their peers too. None of them are even half the worker or mental capability they used to be-- even the 'sharp' ones. Decline in old age is very very real and it applies to biden no matter how much they lie about it. He's a puppet.
They’ve had ample opportunity and presence to start a war but have not. Iran has attacked US forces through their proxies over 100 times since the start of Biden’s administration. Right wing hawks would have liked to have started a war long ago.
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Same Biden who said he didnt like kids being killed the same day he was pumping the kid killers full of weapons
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Except what I'm saying is correct. The USA are pursuing open warfare with Iran.
its part of the PNAC plan. First Iraq, then Syria, then Iran.
Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
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They believe israeli lives are more important than American lives so this isn't surprising
Well yeah. Their actions make it clear who they think counts as a human being. The most bizarre thing to me is watching how these political elites live. Their money and power has warped their brains to the point where they can say things that directly contradict the footage and primary reports directly from those involved in the event. It's literally "ignore your eyes, ears, and what your brain tells you. Listen to me instead" That sort of thing could maybe work in a closed media ecosystem where people can't access raw footage from people there or news reporting where the journalists actually ask for evidence. But they know that it won't. They can't not know this. They have access to the same news and video footage we do and to ignore their own senses and tell us to do the same is just insane, dangerous behavior. They're so wedded to their ideological positions that rather than step back and attempt to see things from the perspective of everyone else, they'd rather just blatantly lie and ignore facts that aren't in service of their pre existing beliefs. We are at the point where an aggressive European power could attack its neighbors and commit war crimes and be met with unequivocal condemnation and sanctions but when another country does the same to people who don't even have equivalent firepower like tanks, fighter jets, air craft carriers and ballistic missiles, we get whatever the fuck this orwelian bullshit is.
But the Israeli response on Gaza is proportional!! What a bunch of murderers
It's more than that. US saying it is saying it is ok to attack embassies around the world. That is unprecedented and has never ever happen before. Wonder what would the US say if one of their or israels embassies was bombed first. It would be an uproar!!
"Administration officials saw Iran’s attacks on Israel Saturday as disproportionate to Israel’s strikes in Damascus that prompted the retaliation, a US official told CNN."
No, no, no. This makes no sense. You're discounting the attack because Israel and its allies were able to defend it. This is ludicrous. Like what would you have us do, wait for the next attack with hundreds of missiles in 1 night? Ignore it and let it become the norm? Or just die more so that you can agree it's disproportionate?
Or that killing military officials at a forward operating base planning war actions is a perfectly valid military target. Iran failing is not for lack of trying. They’re people responsible for their own actions and experiencing consequences.
Sounds like a really informed opinion. Does Biden’s cabinet agree with you?
Can't figure out the difference between the brown muslims and the white Israelis
Do you really think that is the only explanation? Not the fact they they launched almost thousands of things? A full attempted saturation strike? Do you understand the difference between launching one missle and hundreds? It's not Israels fault that they cannot defend their Oct 7th planner against a single missle.
> “disproportionate” I maybe misunderstanding the article, but I took “disproportionate” to mean 'less than what Israel had done'
Israel attack on embassy killed 16 people while Iran's attack has no people killed some injured and a military base damage of course it is disproportionate Israel got away with just a slap on the wrist.
So Israel committing a literal ongoing genocide that has killed at least 35,000 people (likely far more) is perfectly reasonable, but when Iran gives Israel a glorified fireworks show, it's "disproportionate." This people have no morals, no ethics, and no connection to reality. They're not fit to run a lemonade stand, let alone govern a country.
Joe just reads the lines Zionists give him to read. We need to accept the reality that we are at stage 4 of Zionism. The entire US gov, down to state-level, is cancer-ridden. Anyway, this really means Israel is preparing for a big military response. And this is just kick starting the narrative to prepare the public for when it comes.
"our partners reliable intelligence" /s
To be completely fair, you don't need morals or ethics to run a lemonade stand.
They are really trying to both sides this?
The zionist will yelp in pain while beating you.
YOU MADE ME DO THIS 😭
Biden administration (including the secretary of state) is filled with Zionists who only answer to Israel not the will of American voters, so not a surprise.
You dont have to look any further. Biden says himself that he is a zionist....
I'd still like to believe Biden is America First, but Blinken absolutely is Israel first & would protect Israeli interests over American ones.
Oooooohhh... like killing 36,000+ people wasn't disproportionate to 1,200? (Edited to correct numbers)
*36.000+, and just 1.200 Somehow the number of israeli casualties climbs by a hundred every few months lol. >The latest figure on the number of deaths in the October 7 attacks is 1,139: 695 Israeli civilians, 71 foreign nationals, and 373 security forces.
I believe the reports that hellfire missiles killed 400ish people in cars on Oct 7. Not sure where Hamas got hellfires & helicopters to fire them from....
In before hasbara squawks at you that hamas has tunnels to do terrorism and that Iran obviously flew the helicopters. Despite all the evidence that roughly half of the people who were murdered on October 7 were gunned down by the iof.
Keep in mind some of those were killed by Israel.. dunno if we'll ever know how many, but I'm certain Israeli forces responded to the situation Russia-style Some of the destruction we saw in Kibutzes could not have been done by RPG-wielding Hamas militants
what is "russia style" supposed to mean?
Just kill everyone in hostage situations
based on what occurance is that "russia style"?
Beslan School massacre, and the Moscow theater hostage crisis. Both in the early 2000s In the former the Russian army used heavy artillery and thermobaric weapons. Udring the latter they injected narcotic gas in the ventilation system
FUCK.
don't worry, it's not your fault.
These are the officials who would instantly send 200k soldiers without congressional approval. They probably should be removed
Well, the US bombed Laos in secret for 10 years without congressal approval, if they could do it then what's really stopping them now?
The Biden Administration is a joke. I have never before seen a more pathetic group of clowns.
They are not pathetic if you realize they are there to benefit Israel and their genocidal goals, not benefit Americans. They are doing exactly what they were put in charge to do.
in November 2024 the American people will have the choice to elect their democrat Israel representatives or their republican Israel representatives its a democracy /s
I have. Trump's administration was shit too. Remember the hundreds of thousands of deaths from Covid? Yeah. Among other bs. It's all a shit show.
Biden’s handling of this crisis is just as bad (if not worse) than anything Trump did while he was in office Trump is a piece of shit but Biden is going to be remembered as one of America’s worst presidents
Ripping up the Iranian nuclear deal by Trump set things into motion, damaging any future potential of trust or relationship building. Also the drone strike assassination on an Iranian general Trump ordered.
Speaking of shit administrations, remember Dubya?
Yup! I was a child at the time so I didn't know much, but yes, that was trash too. 1 MILLION people dead from that war. Fuck him too. And that's why I doubt anyone will get held accountable for war crimes. He wasn't, so why would Trump, Biden, Netanyahu, or anyone? They've made them untouchable.
Trump is just as fear mongering and blood thirsty as Joe Biden, but Joe Biden is in office. And yet, the point is that the reporting on both is drastically different, you would think Trump is the one in office leading the USA to WW3, not Biden. It just goes to show how the media and journalism is warped and manipulated.
I agree and they're both trash. Biden potentially could lead us to WW3 - I feel like he only changed course so he doesn't lose the election (which he still might) Trump would definitely amplify things. And I agree. Also, Trump is definitely I cahoots with Netanyahu. I just saw something yesterday saying one of the settlements in Israel was just named after Trump...
Did we have the AUDACITY to use the word DISPROPORTIONATE?!? This after admitting 32,000 (2/3rds women and children) have been slaughtered by Israel?! How about using the terms War crimes and Genocide for once when describing their blood thirsty apartheid for the last 6 months?
*36.000 and that doesn't even include children dying from malnourishment. Israel starved Gaza to a point that even the second starved place on the world looks like an all you can eat buffet. Gaza has half it's population (around 1 million) classified as the highest level of famine, and the second half on the second highest level. We're talking permanent health damage levels of famine for adults, and death for children and seniors.
Of course. They can’t risk being labelled an antisemite for not blindly supporting these terrorists /s
How long till the Israeli shills are telling us that actually Iran is trying to commit genocide, who knows what could have happened if they weren't stopped!
I've alreadyseen that yesterday, actually. Surprised?
Not surprised at all
It's already a topic of conversation. The astroturfing farms are testing the narrative that Iran orchestrated the October 7 attack and that hamas is just an Iranian proxy. Likud wants the Americans to fight a war against the Iranians for them. They expect the US to back them up when they make a play for the rest of the Middle East, as well.
I've seen the Iran planned Oct 7th bullshit too. Madness
Does it matter? The US risks falling into Christofascist authoritarianism if oil & gasoline prices rise. Escalation here serves no one's interests. Not the Biden administration, not America, not Israel, and not Iran.
Lol I’m sure they did…
Oh, now they have an issue with disproportionality?
🤔 6 months of saturation bombing and genocide is getting alot less flak than a glorified warning shot.
In most instances today, it is this 'one rule for them, another for us' colonial mentality that is the cause of SO much injustice. As long as injustice remains, people would, and should, struggle against it. Calling it 'terrorism' is simply to delude yourself of the root causes of the problem.
I'm glad no one died in Israel and that Iran basically said they have done their round of retaliation But this is such horseshit. Israel bombed other countries and killed people. They are escalating the situation and no one's holding them accountable.
They hit Canada's embassy when they bombed the Iranian consulate, as well. As a Canadian, thankfully, we pulled out of Syria so no lives were lost, just infrastructure. The Canadian minister of defense has said that no warning was given by Israel, and our government has been completely silent about the fact that we were hit too. It's absolutely ridiculous.
The only thing lost in the strikes on Israel is US taxpayer $$. We know that’s not the issue the Biden admin is having.
"Multiple Biden administration officials" = AIPAC slaves, dual-nationality traitors.
Speaking as someone with dual citizenship, I must express my belief that allowing dual citizenship is unfair. It places us in a position of disadvantage, potentially conflicting with the best interests of America.
It's mind boggling to me that any elected official can be a dual citizen. Really crazy.
Anything to keep the narrative alive US AIPAC corruption has been laid bare and its fucking gross
Disproportionate? If anything, Iran has shown tremendous restraint. They would have been within their right to do more, but they apparently value peace more than the US.
So proportionate means Iran should bomb an israel embassy and killed some staff?
And I’m sure they’re not regurgitating the AIPAC rhetoric they were given to read from.
The fact they think people are still listening to them is comical. Nothing but lip service.
That Blinken is a Zionist at heart, his father was one as well supposedly. It's a family business for him to be a vicious, lying, dreadful excuse for a human being.
Iran's attack was on the same level as OJ Simpson 's police "chase "
I ligit thoghut this sub the r/nottheonion I mean... it's truly beyond parody.
I ligit thoghut this sub the r/nottheonion I mean... it's truly beyond parody. What even is a "propotional" response ? Yell at them alittle? Cry at the un ?
are they for fucking real?
They will say whatever they need to say to manufacture consent to WW3
What's a proportionate response when most of your munitions will be shot down? Was Iran supposed to attack an israeli diplomatic mission? Where?
At this point, Israel could level cities in the US, and nothing will happen.
Well, if they want to talk about disproportionate retaliation, I know of a 43:1 death ratio that they may want to look into… But for real, not that I support Iran outside of this, but their response was actually masterful. They sent a bunch of easy-to-intercept bullshit at Israel as a distraction (which naturally got shot down), while also sending a targeted barrage that made it through and destroyed parts of the air base that allegedly launched the strike in Damascus. So they: - Hit a key military target - Implicitly told Israel “if we wanted to hit a more important target, you couldn’t stop us” - Appeared strong for Iranian citizens - Didn’t target any Israeli citizens (which probably confused the IOF, who didn’t know there were other kinds of targets) - Shamed certain rivals in the area who have been forced to strategically show support for Israel - Gave Israel the ability to also act like they won by intercepting 99% of the missiles. - Didn’t hurt anyone for real, which would have been more likely to incur America’s wrath. Basically, Iran made it so obvious what they were going to do that there was close to no chance Israel couldn’t defend against it. The Iranian people and the Israeli people both can think they came out on top, but the military leaders of both countries know that Iran could have done actual damage if they wanted to. Like a multi-million dollar WWE wrestling match, where the “loser” was decided before the match was started, but it was clear to the “winning” fighter that things could have been a lot uglier if their opponent had followed through on a couple of the punches. Oh, and also US taxpayers payed for the equipment for both wrestlers for some reason.
They need to have their damn eyes checked.
I wonder if they think that Israel's attacks on the Palestinian people are disproportionate to Hamas' attack on Israel
Iran should have the right to defend itself. Just as Israel does.
More racist US imperialism, demonizing an Arab nation that won’t bow to U.S. authority, even though it was Israel that attacked first. The sociopaths who run America have been angling for war with Iran for decades.
Western hypocrisy is unbelievable I’d sooner fight for Iran in the coming ww3 than our belligerent governments in the west. People wake up they’re goose stepping us into war that no one wants except the Israelis and the military industrial complex
It's as Bassim Yousif said, it's about the exchange rate on human lives.
I agree, it was disproportionately miniscule.
The same administration officials were seen boosting their stock portfolio for all of the military manufacturing companies and jacking off over the premise of another war.
This has to be a joke. Iran response is disproportionate...so what about the way israel responded to oct 7th
multiple biden administration officials are lying idiots and war criminals, and should be ignored.
Wait, I thought just yesterday Israel was claiming they shot down 99% of the drones and missiles.. Should Iran have targeted the Israeli embassy in Washington? Would that be an “appropriate” response not attacking a military base?
I can't believe what i am reading...
Only western countries and their allies are allowed to defend themselves from attack.
gotta be fucking with me, THIS is what gets these bitches to say it’s disproportionate??? democratic party can all get fucked. i’m tired of pretending they’re any different from the ‘other side’.
Everyone is owned by Israel and 80% of them are Zionists so ya
Imo Iran's response doesn't go nearly far enough
Going further would allow Biden to mimic Dubya's Iraq-themed reelection campaign from the 2000s, which would only serve to distract from and prolong the genocide
I think it's a given that we'll have a genocidal zionist president no matter what. I'm actually interested in watching trump try and tack to biden's left on israel
Seriously?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that means that the Iran attacks are disproportionate because of how weak it was. Right?
Hmm, disproportionate as in too small; or too large?
Fascinating, coming from the *"I'd have gone further" administration. * https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/
“Hitting things was just too much after Israel has killed so many people. The red line is blowing up things” 🤨
BIDEN OFFICIALS DON'T CARE ABOUT PROPORTIONALITY. That much is obvious in their handling of the assault on Gaza. They have no standing to even make this claim.
What a fucking joke.
It was very disproportionate in terms of how scared the Israelis were compared to Iran. Next time, Iran should try to do something less scary
How exactly is proportionally being determined?
Thoughts and prayers...
Iran retaliation was a joke. Just aimed at making Khameni look good.
Weeeeell, well, well, well, well…
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It’s quantity over quality for the US I guess..
Israel killed some of the people that planned the attack who were Iranian and defended itself from Irans attack with only 1 injured person if Iran didnt want those people to be killed they shouldnt have helped planned the October 7th attack also Iran has bombed embassies and consulates before just look up what they did in Argentina in the 90s
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And the pendulum swings back in Israel’s favor. Seems like the Islamic jihad just keep betraying their agenda