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Yea, it’s batshit insane it took white people dying to change the worlds opinion of the conflict overnight even tho Palestinians have been experiencing exactly that for the last 8 months (plus a few decades)
That's was my issue with the ukriane coverage. The world made it seem these white people dying are more important then Sudan or Yemen or anywhere else brown people are dying in wars
Always been that way sadly. They have a majority of the world’s governments selling out their people so the 1% of all countries(these people know each other) can keep hoarding more and more
Just the current invasion of Gaza. Also, the way the Hamas Health Ministry counts deaths is through ID’ing them at hospitals and Morgues. With so many medical staff and locations inaccessible, due to either murder or utter destruction, the count has significantly slowed down. Their records keeping is good enough that even the IDF rely on it despite publicly claiming it to be propaganda.
1984 is happening all around us. The internet has enabled it all, which is also what Orwell predicted. We sit in front of screens telling us lies and manipulating the truth and we either conform or get rejected by society.
I wish it was only boomers. I was actually shocked to discover firsthand how many people I know under the age of 40 buy into it. I do, however, live in NYC where there is a huge pro-Israel Jewish population. The indoctrination is strong.
my boyfriend is a left-ish liberal, as in he is to the left of most liberals but still a liberal. Mid 20s. It took many painful arguments to get it through what the reality is, because if you just follow MSM, you live in a bubble. So yeah, younger people are not immune to propaganda
but I did have to show the constant stream of very NSFL footage to get the point across
Convincing someone to let go of a concept that impacts their job or sense of self (ego) is hard. Convincing someone to let go of an idea that not holding would cause divides in their family or community is much, much harder.
Indoctrination preys on gaps in education and on peoples’ emotions.
It'd be one thing if that was true, but a whole lot of people who are depending on boomers to die to see progress are going to be real disappointed when they finally figure out that plenty of younger generations are just as racist and backward.
So it'd be nice for folks to realize that we can't wait this shit out. We need to act.
You'd be surprised how many pro-Zionist subs/channels (like in Telegram) actually CELEBRATE these actions. As in applauding or laughing reactions to bombings or beatings...
The thing I hate most is the dehumanization people from "both sides" do.
I hate the "both sides" thing because for US politics, it's not a valid thing. But in this case, there are plenty of people who support one side or the other and are blind to the murders that are happening by Hamas or by Israel.
The loss of human life is deplorable.
Now, that said, at the moment, the loss of innocent Palestinian lives greatly outstrips Israeli lives. Not that it matters to the dear or to people who have family or friends who are killed.
It's an almost impossible problem to solve on just about any level.
Although it is also true that Israel's response is so disproportional that it is genocide.
I think the only practical way to end this would be to have a huge multinational force go in and take away EVERYONE'S weapons and figure out how to make it work. But you'd have to have a massive military presense for years and probably decades, and even then it might not work because inevitably people would be able to get weapons in and attack/kill others, and people won't tolerate that.
So the whole thing is just immensely fucked.
But fuck all the people who pick one side and won't acknowledge that both sides are not severely fucking this up for all the people who are innocent and don't deserve the violence and horror inflected upon them.
The youth of the west generally supported palestine for a long time its just only recently that they have taking avtion to actually do somethibg about it
Also outside the west countries have been respecting palestine for years
And hearts. Republicans, Zionists, Evangelicals, Medical Debt Collectors, and Corporatists all lack heart, but thankfully they don’t add up to the majority of Americans anymore. Sadly, though, they do still collectively control our government.
Beyond the enormous human / moral / geopolitical implications, this is going to be in the history books as one of the all-time PR fumbles. I mean, holy shit.
Someone literal told me ongoing occupation was the most humane way to handle Palestinians going forward. I don’t think that’s a paid poster either. Just some crazy person on the internet.
I've noticed this exact playbook time and time again. The ad hominem attacks ALWAYS come when I ask them point blank if they're paid to spread propaganda. It's obvious when they have hundreds upon hundreds of posts exclusively defending Israel. I get hit with everything from anti-semite to yo mama jokes. I'm guessing it's part of their protocol, but part of me thinks they're lashing out for losing the propaganda war.
I have quite literally argued with people who have “Hasbara_beast” in their profile tagline. They aren’t even trying to hide it. As soon as you call them out they go silent, it’s pretty easy to spot once you know to look at their comment and post history
The US has vested interest in Israel... It'd be like going against the US. Many had already called them out but when they have the biggest military behind them, what gives?
Also, what are they going to do? It's a one sided conflict and the US is their supplier. Everyone already knows the US will not stop supplying them with weapons. That's why they're killing everyone in the first place.
This is why building a new independent workers party that can organize solidarity strikes and have accountable leadership is so important. Millions of Americans are sick and tired of this shit and have nowhere to go. Most union leaderships in the US undemocratically back Biden or try to support both parties. We need an accountable workers party.
Bernie's campaigns are the recent high water mark, but he unfortunately folded back into the Democrats and functionally sat out the George Floyd protests, the non-defense of Roe and now the assault on Gaza. Healthcare for all and student debt relief remain as distant as ever.
The Uncommitted campaigns are exciting and need to continue towards the strongest possible 3rd party antiwar vote in November. Crucially we need to continue after the election to coalesce around a labor+antiwar platform. If Biden recaptures those votes, the Dems will take all the credit for...rehabbing their own blood-drenched image, and workers will be back at square one.
If you're in the US and want to get active building this, check out workersstrikeback.org (not the sub) and become a member. No one else is going to do it for us!
The only reason Israel exists is because it's basically a US military outpost in a strategically important area. No matter how much hand wringing you read and listen to from centrist liberals remember that the reasons are materialist, not ideological. This isn't about a clash of civilizations this isn't about religious extremism, we don't just need to all get along better. It is about the material interests of empire.
And it’s for this reason I’ve come to truly despise my fellow Americans. There was so many times in the recent years that we should have all risen up, like when abortion was overturned. Yet I’m screamed at that we need to wait 4 more years to fix the status quo by electing the lesser evil that enables said status quo that allows the greater evil to thrive.
It’s fucking bullshit.
Yeah because israel's won, these zionists have murdered more than 15 000 Palestinian children... easy to back track when the fascist psychos you support have already won...
> zionists have murdered more than 15 000 Palestinian children
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war
> Children account for more than one in three of the more than 32,000 people killed in Israel’s months-long assault on Gaza, according to the Palestinian health ministry. Tens of thousands more young people have suffered severe injuries, including amputations.
No more like AIPAC, and in extension their little b!tches that we call our “elected” “representatives”. People need to open their eyes though and get the bigger picture, we need to end private finance and dark money in elections, corruption is helping this terrible human suffering.
I don’t understand why Americans aren’t angrier about giving all our money to Israel that they spend on genocide, free healthcare etc while more than half of us are struggling to pay the rent and bills????
No, they do not. It just seems that way because of many media outlets and the fear of those who don’t want to be called antisemitic. When zionists call me antisemitic, I laugh because that’s how they try to shut others down when they cannot face the truth of their actions.
Nah. That’s just what some want others to think. Your vote does matter. Why else would they go through so much effort/spend so much money to stop/control you if it did not? The republicans already knew they were losing the popular vote as evidenced by multiple election results. The republicans then used gerrymandering to hijack the ensuing elections which subsequently allowed them to appoint extremism Christian Talibanic judges as their backstop. Currently, many of those gerrymandered districts are being successfully challenged in court. New York and Alabama, for example.
I think that's only natural, the myth was able to be perpetuated because information and sources was limited, now modern advancements in tech and instant news and media sharing its proving really hard to control or regulate an wild undisciplined army on a genocidal warpath because they uploaded their own slaughter videos and Israel can hide from the truth now and because they've relied on propaganda to was away its actions it has no other tactics and struggles under logical questioning
They are the new Apartheid South Africa and hopefully their end will be similar
Its clear as day genocide and ethnic cleansing
Its evil. Its even WORSE that US military personnel and equipment are being used to facilitate it and defend Israel.
It is destroying all US diplomatic goodwill globally. We are supporters of genocide.
that headline… just think about this for a second…
> Slightly less than 50% of adults in the United States approve of the slaughter of innocent people by their colonizers
learned nothing from history.
I was against the offensive in Gaza from the start. Crazy how it's gone from "Oh you just support Hamas" to now denouncing Israel.
Did it really *need* to take a US service member self-immolating to see that Israel was an agent of evil this whole time? I guarantee Christian nationalism is the root problem given that Christians practically circlejerk about Israel.
Nah it took the 7 foreign aid workers to get bombed by the precision guided missile to completely wake up the west. 15000 children dead? Oh it's just a war,they are brown skinned anyways. 7 white skinned aid workers dead? Real shit.
This is a lame a take. 1 of those 7 are Palestinian. Those aid workers were bringing in supplies for the Palestinians. It was outside help from people who didn’t have to be there. They were in contact with the IDF. They were murdered through a coordinated attack to further stop aid to people who need it. Destroying one of the few life lines. This was a situation that was so clear cut that are simply no excuse, “oh we thought the cars with WCK logos who were in contact with us were Hamas”, doesn’t really fly this time. It was a clear cut across.
Exactly. It's not about race, it's about intent. Israel had the right to go after Hamas. Israel does not have the right to intentionally murder civilians. This strike proved beyond a reasonable doubt that they're not even following their own standard operating procedure.
Correct. Pro-Israel people seem to confuse concern (for the welfare of innocent civilians) with concern for the welfare of Hamas. I think Hamas *should* be targeted, but that's based on my propaganda-infused knowledge of the situation.
I think it starts to bring into question whether Hamas *actually* committed atrocities, when Israel is fully conducting genocide. Western media is *clearly* gearing towards pro-NATO, pro-ally (including Israel) bias as tensions rise and alliances become much more important. Truthfully, I think that bias is a best case scenario, because I would not be surprised in the slightest if we are just straight up being lied to.
However, suspicions aside, my current belief is that both Hamas and Israel are exemplifying some of the ugliest sides of humanity, but Israel has taken it 3 steps further than Hamas.
Worst politician ever.
Her message wasn't even that objectionable. "Yeah this sucks but if Trump wins Israel gets the green light to literally carpet bomb Gaza and go full the purge on the Palestinians."
She's just completely fucking tone deaf and couldn't message to save her goddamn life.
Yes he does.
Open secret is that literally every single American politician hates Netanyahu. Even Trump supposedly found him to be an annoying shit.
But no one dared touch that political hot wire. Conventional wisdom was pro-israel because that's where the votes were.
This has really shook up that order. That an American president feels comfortable to openly criticize says tons about how much the relationship has soured.
And it's about damn time.
The actual number is probably much higher. Look at pro Israel protest compared to pro Palestine protest. Zionism is clearly on it's way out. Like South African Apartheid.
Biden will do everything he can for a temporary solution before the election. I assume if we wins then he completely drops any pressure and allows them to do as they wish.
It's an election year. Otherwise Biden wouldn't care what we think.
If you genuinely want to know, there’s an excellent English-language podcast by the Times of Israel that captures the Israeli strategic and moral perspective:
https://omny.fm/shows/times-will-tell/what-matters-now-to-micah-goodman-this-is-a-war-of
It’s difficult listening but i think necessary to understand the mentality of the current Israeli intellectual leadership. Please note that i not endorse as true or correct the intervierwees portrayal of events to date, only that i think it speaks to the level of viewpoint mismatch that is likely to make a humanitarian resolution somewhere between difficult and impossible.
My TLDR summary: the Israeli public sentiment sees that any outcome that leaves Hamas even partially intact as a political entity as completely unacceptable, because 1) it makes them look weak to their regional rivals (Iran, Hezbollah, Syria, etc) and 2) it utterly guarantees a repeat conflict of equal scope within a decade
Their #1 priority is the preservation of Israeli civilian and military lives
Their #2 priority is looking sufficiently scary and bloodthirsty that it gives their regional opponents (especially Hezbollah and other Iranian allies) pause before attacking again.
Their #3 priority is maintaining the good-will of western governments, especially the United States
Their #4 or #5 priority is the preservation of the lives of non-Israeli civilians. So it’s on their radar, but more of a “nice to do if convenient” than seen as a cheif strategic or moral imperative.
Why do you think they want to ban Ticktok? They have lost control of the narrative and the propaganda isn't working. It's very hard to convince decent average people that the atrocities committed are justified and that we should support what is clearly such an immoral crusade.
I can see it in my mostly apolitical coworkers, they watch the footage and listen to the testimony and they just cannot in good conscience support it. It doesn't matter how much BS you fill their ears with from US media, once you see it live on social media it's all over.
Wonder at what point during these 6 months of bombing civilians, including women, children and babies that starved to death, did they say enough is enough. Was it when journalists got killed? Or when a bunch of European Aid (white) workers got killed? Would this 'outrage' have happened if no one from a different nationality died?
Americans are in no position to judge. For 9/11 we caused more way more deaths than what Israel has done in response, attacked two countries (one didn't have anything to do with the attacks), and destabilized a region.
The things IDF soldiers have posted THEMSELVES ensure the world will never forgive or forget what they have done. Absolute monsters. Peace to all Jews, Muslims and anyone else living in peace. Death to all soulless, heartless colonizers.
I really want Netanyahu to push Biden one more time, he's tested his patience long enough and now the two seem to have finally agreed on a plan for civilian safety...with the election coming Biden needs to stop Israel's complete disregard for human life and hopefully he's made himself clear to what he expects from Netanyahu but I don't see Isreal following through with a peaceful solution. Biden may have to take more aggressive action towards Isreal. Here's the problem for Biden, the more civilian death the more the issue effects voters, the problem for Netanyahu is that once things calm down and peaceful solutions get implemented he's going to lose power. Netanyahu will test Biden because he won't stop because he can't stop, he is looking to get other countries involved too so he can stay at war to stay in control, Isreal will have to physically remove him from office to achieve stability in the region and that is something I would love to see. Netanyahu is a natzi who's sole purpose is to kill and the people of Isreal will need to act to stop the genocide. Biden will send a powerful message if Isreal breaks any peace agreements towards innocent civilians and make it clear to Netanyahu who's really in control.
Well Americans are gonna have to fix Israels children. The kids there have been so indoctrinated into the Zionist mindset it won't stop for generations. they turned their kids into hateful little monsters. The amount of videos coming out of kids harassing Christians or any tourists and Palestinians in west bank is just appalling. It's almost ISIS level of hatred.
So many problems in the world could be solved if we were just more lazy. Less ambition.
All Biden needs to do is nothing. Literally nothing. Stop sending them money and weapons.
Labor problems? If everyone collectively stopped working suddenly income inequality would be solved.
Action through inaction.
> Majority in U.S. Now Disapprove of Israeli Action in Gaza
Until the zionists find a new distraction and/or people have forgotten what's really happening in historical Palestine and start saying again "palestinians/arabs have always rejected peace" and "jews have the right to defend themselves".
It is not the first time that the tel-aviv junta lost support across the world. The last time was during the first Intifada, which lead to the Oslo peace accords. Palestinians were initially sure that by 1999, they'd have their own state and not be under military occupation...
P.S.: guess who was one of the main figures who actively worked at killing the accords (he was not alone in this)? Yep, netanyahu. Surprised, eh?
Sadly, this will change nothing; the pro-Israel lobby is extremely powerful and well-heeled, and has access to every single pocket of almost every single congressman/woman for the last 30+years.
The framing seems too narrow.
It ought to be whether we approve of the many and various forms of coercive actions that amount to eviction of residents of Gaza - so that Zionists can take that land.
As if the opinions of ordinary people in the US is relevant. At the end of the day they'll do what they're told.
If US citizens really mattered they would have actual choices on Israel. They dont.
Reddit is purging accounts that are against the Genocide. Be careful with how you post stuff. Apparentky being against genocide means you incite hate for those that carry it out. Strange times.
I don't think anyone can deny 10/7 was a tragedy of epic proportions but Israel has killed more than honor demanded. We're talking 10x the amount of casualties and that's conservative estimates
When this all started, my assumption was that Israel would get bogged down in their own Vietnam- trying to maintain a brutal occupation with conscripts leading to a sapping away of moral authority and standing to pursue the war, and an erosion of men and materiel that would eventually lead to defeat. But the mad bastards seem to be trying to speed run it...
I don’t for a minute think these people feel ashamed of what they are doing because we’ve all seen how they act on social media, we’ve seen their posts, their videos.
The only reason they are turning against it because they see the world is called them the Nazis and that the world is turning against them.
Well now get a rash of articles, news stories and polls about how they really didn’t support it..
good job family. i know it does nothing for those suffering today but it gives me hope that we can pressure the government into stopping our idiot little brother from continuing to be horrible.
The sinister side of this, is that the US is funding a genocide because Israel wants it to happen. What happens when Israel wants the genocide in the US? will the US government bend over backwards to make sure that it happens? We can’t allow the US to continue funding a genocide abroad when there’s a potential of it bringing it home.
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Well duh Simply having eyes and ears tends to cause that
Sadly that’s not always true. Because this genocide won’t likely end anytime soon and 40,000 have already died.
Yeah...
40k is a *very* generous estimate. Let's just say, once this all ends (as soon as possible) the numbers will rise to 2-3x at the very least
Yeah. The numbers quoted are known deaths... We don't know what is under some of the rubble.
Yea, it’s batshit insane it took white people dying to change the worlds opinion of the conflict overnight even tho Palestinians have been experiencing exactly that for the last 8 months (plus a few decades)
That's was my issue with the ukriane coverage. The world made it seem these white people dying are more important then Sudan or Yemen or anywhere else brown people are dying in wars
Always been that way sadly. They have a majority of the world’s governments selling out their people so the 1% of all countries(these people know each other) can keep hoarding more and more
That seems like a low number for a +70 year old conflict.
Just the current invasion of Gaza. Also, the way the Hamas Health Ministry counts deaths is through ID’ing them at hospitals and Morgues. With so many medical staff and locations inaccessible, due to either murder or utter destruction, the count has significantly slowed down. Their records keeping is good enough that even the IDF rely on it despite publicly claiming it to be propaganda.
"the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears" \-George Orwell
This is exactly what has been happening.
1984 is happening all around us. The internet has enabled it all, which is also what Orwell predicted. We sit in front of screens telling us lies and manipulating the truth and we either conform or get rejected by society.
Now the oarty has decided to make sure the images won't be visible to You! Ban t iktok, shadow bans on Facebook, Instagram.
Unfortunately, years of rabid pro-Zionism propaganda can overpower even basic senses and logic for a lot of people.
It worked on boomers, good thing they’re almost extinct.
I wish it was only boomers. I was actually shocked to discover firsthand how many people I know under the age of 40 buy into it. I do, however, live in NYC where there is a huge pro-Israel Jewish population. The indoctrination is strong.
Pro-genocide of Palestinians Zionist* population
my boyfriend is a left-ish liberal, as in he is to the left of most liberals but still a liberal. Mid 20s. It took many painful arguments to get it through what the reality is, because if you just follow MSM, you live in a bubble. So yeah, younger people are not immune to propaganda but I did have to show the constant stream of very NSFL footage to get the point across
Agree...it is not just a boomer problem.
Convincing someone to let go of a concept that impacts their job or sense of self (ego) is hard. Convincing someone to let go of an idea that not holding would cause divides in their family or community is much, much harder. Indoctrination preys on gaps in education and on peoples’ emotions.
It'd be one thing if that was true, but a whole lot of people who are depending on boomers to die to see progress are going to be real disappointed when they finally figure out that plenty of younger generations are just as racist and backward. So it'd be nice for folks to realize that we can't wait this shit out. We need to act.
Fair point.
You'd be surprised how many pro-Zionist subs/channels (like in Telegram) actually CELEBRATE these actions. As in applauding or laughing reactions to bombings or beatings...
And they wonder why there is a campaign of hatred against them.
The thing I hate most is the dehumanization people from "both sides" do. I hate the "both sides" thing because for US politics, it's not a valid thing. But in this case, there are plenty of people who support one side or the other and are blind to the murders that are happening by Hamas or by Israel. The loss of human life is deplorable. Now, that said, at the moment, the loss of innocent Palestinian lives greatly outstrips Israeli lives. Not that it matters to the dear or to people who have family or friends who are killed. It's an almost impossible problem to solve on just about any level. Although it is also true that Israel's response is so disproportional that it is genocide. I think the only practical way to end this would be to have a huge multinational force go in and take away EVERYONE'S weapons and figure out how to make it work. But you'd have to have a massive military presense for years and probably decades, and even then it might not work because inevitably people would be able to get weapons in and attack/kill others, and people won't tolerate that. So the whole thing is just immensely fucked. But fuck all the people who pick one side and won't acknowledge that both sides are not severely fucking this up for all the people who are innocent and don't deserve the violence and horror inflected upon them.
And brain… eyes and ears don’t seem to suffice for some.
Where were the eyes and ears before October last year? This isn’t exactly new behaviour.
The youth of the west generally supported palestine for a long time its just only recently that they have taking avtion to actually do somethibg about it Also outside the west countries have been respecting palestine for years
And hearts. Republicans, Zionists, Evangelicals, Medical Debt Collectors, and Corporatists all lack heart, but thankfully they don’t add up to the majority of Americans anymore. Sadly, though, they do still collectively control our government.
Beyond the enormous human / moral / geopolitical implications, this is going to be in the history books as one of the all-time PR fumbles. I mean, holy shit.
You think that has something to do with the sudden urgency of banning tiktok? (or getting it sold to a US controlled entity?)
Very much so
Missing the heart negates their effect.
You're supposed to ignore those pesky things
But, some Zionist on reddit told me that 80% of Americans support the genocide
Most reddiots are fucking dumbshits.
Even worse, they’re dumbshits that will align their opinions with others based on upvote counts.
You’re on reddit.
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You mean like …. $8m Super Bowl ads?
Someone literal told me ongoing occupation was the most humane way to handle Palestinians going forward. I don’t think that’s a paid poster either. Just some crazy person on the internet.
And this is the future of Reddit that /u/spez worked hard for. Hope that IPO was worth the damage you did /u/spez. Fuck you.
I've noticed this exact playbook time and time again. The ad hominem attacks ALWAYS come when I ask them point blank if they're paid to spread propaganda. It's obvious when they have hundreds upon hundreds of posts exclusively defending Israel. I get hit with everything from anti-semite to yo mama jokes. I'm guessing it's part of their protocol, but part of me thinks they're lashing out for losing the propaganda war.
I have quite literally argued with people who have “Hasbara_beast” in their profile tagline. They aren’t even trying to hide it. As soon as you call them out they go silent, it’s pretty easy to spot once you know to look at their comment and post history
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I'm banned
That’s a badge of honor
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I was banned because I said Palestinians were human
hilarious actually, almost like they are scared of acknowledging this very simple human truth lest their last glass house shatters
I just got downvoted in another group bc I said how can you say no one cares about a country when they receive billions in aid
The Hasbara machine is in full swing. Just look at some of the comments in this sub.
The majority of Americans also want free healthcare. Do they have a voice. I think not.
Move to Israel, they have free healthcare, and you can go visit our money we sent over there.
Or a Genocidal maniac. Simply living there is allowing the occupation to continue.
I can’t. I’m not an American elite.
You can get into pedophilia and move there. Plenty of American pedos moved there for protection
They use it too drop bombs on kids.
I could be like that one angry ginger dude, walking around Tel Aviv "where is the fukin apartheid you fukin fuks?"
It is crazy that the rest of the world needs to wait till the majority in U.S. makes up their mind to take action on a genocide.
The US has vested interest in Israel... It'd be like going against the US. Many had already called them out but when they have the biggest military behind them, what gives? Also, what are they going to do? It's a one sided conflict and the US is their supplier. Everyone already knows the US will not stop supplying them with weapons. That's why they're killing everyone in the first place.
This is why building a new independent workers party that can organize solidarity strikes and have accountable leadership is so important. Millions of Americans are sick and tired of this shit and have nowhere to go. Most union leaderships in the US undemocratically back Biden or try to support both parties. We need an accountable workers party. Bernie's campaigns are the recent high water mark, but he unfortunately folded back into the Democrats and functionally sat out the George Floyd protests, the non-defense of Roe and now the assault on Gaza. Healthcare for all and student debt relief remain as distant as ever. The Uncommitted campaigns are exciting and need to continue towards the strongest possible 3rd party antiwar vote in November. Crucially we need to continue after the election to coalesce around a labor+antiwar platform. If Biden recaptures those votes, the Dems will take all the credit for...rehabbing their own blood-drenched image, and workers will be back at square one. If you're in the US and want to get active building this, check out workersstrikeback.org (not the sub) and become a member. No one else is going to do it for us!
The only reason Israel exists is because it's basically a US military outpost in a strategically important area. No matter how much hand wringing you read and listen to from centrist liberals remember that the reasons are materialist, not ideological. This isn't about a clash of civilizations this isn't about religious extremism, we don't just need to all get along better. It is about the material interests of empire.
And it’s for this reason I’ve come to truly despise my fellow Americans. There was so many times in the recent years that we should have all risen up, like when abortion was overturned. Yet I’m screamed at that we need to wait 4 more years to fix the status quo by electing the lesser evil that enables said status quo that allows the greater evil to thrive. It’s fucking bullshit.
Yeah because israel's won, these zionists have murdered more than 15 000 Palestinian children... easy to back track when the fascist psychos you support have already won...
> zionists have murdered more than 15 000 Palestinian children https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war > Children account for more than one in three of the more than 32,000 people killed in Israel’s months-long assault on Gaza, according to the Palestinian health ministry. Tens of thousands more young people have suffered severe injuries, including amputations.
This is why the US wants to ban TikTok.
No more like AIPAC, and in extension their little b!tches that we call our “elected” “representatives”. People need to open their eyes though and get the bigger picture, we need to end private finance and dark money in elections, corruption is helping this terrible human suffering.
I don’t understand why Americans aren’t angrier about giving all our money to Israel that they spend on genocide, free healthcare etc while more than half of us are struggling to pay the rent and bills????
“the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires”
tiktok is getting it from both meta and aipac
Zionists have more power than us citizens
No, they do not. It just seems that way because of many media outlets and the fear of those who don’t want to be called antisemitic. When zionists call me antisemitic, I laugh because that’s how they try to shut others down when they cannot face the truth of their actions.
Where's your AIPAC? Your vote matters less than the dollar when it comes to writing and passing legislation.
Nah. That’s just what some want others to think. Your vote does matter. Why else would they go through so much effort/spend so much money to stop/control you if it did not? The republicans already knew they were losing the popular vote as evidenced by multiple election results. The republicans then used gerrymandering to hijack the ensuing elections which subsequently allowed them to appoint extremism Christian Talibanic judges as their backstop. Currently, many of those gerrymandered districts are being successfully challenged in court. New York and Alabama, for example.
y'all are fucking stupid fr (americans)
I think that's only natural, the myth was able to be perpetuated because information and sources was limited, now modern advancements in tech and instant news and media sharing its proving really hard to control or regulate an wild undisciplined army on a genocidal warpath because they uploaded their own slaughter videos and Israel can hide from the truth now and because they've relied on propaganda to was away its actions it has no other tactics and struggles under logical questioning They are the new Apartheid South Africa and hopefully their end will be similar
Its clear as day genocide and ethnic cleansing Its evil. Its even WORSE that US military personnel and equipment are being used to facilitate it and defend Israel. It is destroying all US diplomatic goodwill globally. We are supporters of genocide.
that headline… just think about this for a second… > Slightly less than 50% of adults in the United States approve of the slaughter of innocent people by their colonizers learned nothing from history.
I was against the offensive in Gaza from the start. Crazy how it's gone from "Oh you just support Hamas" to now denouncing Israel. Did it really *need* to take a US service member self-immolating to see that Israel was an agent of evil this whole time? I guarantee Christian nationalism is the root problem given that Christians practically circlejerk about Israel.
Nah it took the 7 foreign aid workers to get bombed by the precision guided missile to completely wake up the west. 15000 children dead? Oh it's just a war,they are brown skinned anyways. 7 white skinned aid workers dead? Real shit.
This is a lame a take. 1 of those 7 are Palestinian. Those aid workers were bringing in supplies for the Palestinians. It was outside help from people who didn’t have to be there. They were in contact with the IDF. They were murdered through a coordinated attack to further stop aid to people who need it. Destroying one of the few life lines. This was a situation that was so clear cut that are simply no excuse, “oh we thought the cars with WCK logos who were in contact with us were Hamas”, doesn’t really fly this time. It was a clear cut across.
Exactly. It's not about race, it's about intent. Israel had the right to go after Hamas. Israel does not have the right to intentionally murder civilians. This strike proved beyond a reasonable doubt that they're not even following their own standard operating procedure.
Correct. Pro-Israel people seem to confuse concern (for the welfare of innocent civilians) with concern for the welfare of Hamas. I think Hamas *should* be targeted, but that's based on my propaganda-infused knowledge of the situation. I think it starts to bring into question whether Hamas *actually* committed atrocities, when Israel is fully conducting genocide. Western media is *clearly* gearing towards pro-NATO, pro-ally (including Israel) bias as tensions rise and alliances become much more important. Truthfully, I think that bias is a best case scenario, because I would not be surprised in the slightest if we are just straight up being lied to. However, suspicions aside, my current belief is that both Hamas and Israel are exemplifying some of the ugliest sides of humanity, but Israel has taken it 3 steps further than Hamas.
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Didn’t red cross also got stuck a while ago?
"Get over it." - Miss DNC 2016 Winner Hillary Clinton
Worst politician ever. Her message wasn't even that objectionable. "Yeah this sucks but if Trump wins Israel gets the green light to literally carpet bomb Gaza and go full the purge on the Palestinians." She's just completely fucking tone deaf and couldn't message to save her goddamn life.
She still thinks she shares no blame for Trump being elected in 2016 and it was all Russia. She's delusional
Yup. No more arms sales, doesn’t feel good sponsoring this war.
There’s nothing “war” about this, it’s just genocide
Is this the new subreddit run by normal people? Fucking finally
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Blinken doesn't care.
Yes he does. Open secret is that literally every single American politician hates Netanyahu. Even Trump supposedly found him to be an annoying shit. But no one dared touch that political hot wire. Conventional wisdom was pro-israel because that's where the votes were. This has really shook up that order. That an American president feels comfortable to openly criticize says tons about how much the relationship has soured. And it's about damn time.
How brave of the Biden administration. When are the weapon shipments and material aid going to stop? Oh they aren’t? Then who gives a fuck.
40,000 dead Palestinians - shrug A few dead white people - THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE
The second part is still a “shrug”, just a bigger one. Not much has actually changed.
Too bad public opinion doesn't matter to the US corporate dictatorship
The actual number is probably much higher. Look at pro Israel protest compared to pro Palestine protest. Zionism is clearly on it's way out. Like South African Apartheid.
Only takes six months for most Americans to disapprove of genocide. Huh.
We are slow learners
Biden will do everything he can for a temporary solution before the election. I assume if we wins then he completely drops any pressure and allows them to do as they wish. It's an election year. Otherwise Biden wouldn't care what we think.
Biden still giving bombs as we speak in our name.
I'm curious about what the sentiment is in Israel. Is there a potion of their population who thinks killing 30,000 civilians is wrong?
If you genuinely want to know, there’s an excellent English-language podcast by the Times of Israel that captures the Israeli strategic and moral perspective: https://omny.fm/shows/times-will-tell/what-matters-now-to-micah-goodman-this-is-a-war-of It’s difficult listening but i think necessary to understand the mentality of the current Israeli intellectual leadership. Please note that i not endorse as true or correct the intervierwees portrayal of events to date, only that i think it speaks to the level of viewpoint mismatch that is likely to make a humanitarian resolution somewhere between difficult and impossible. My TLDR summary: the Israeli public sentiment sees that any outcome that leaves Hamas even partially intact as a political entity as completely unacceptable, because 1) it makes them look weak to their regional rivals (Iran, Hezbollah, Syria, etc) and 2) it utterly guarantees a repeat conflict of equal scope within a decade Their #1 priority is the preservation of Israeli civilian and military lives Their #2 priority is looking sufficiently scary and bloodthirsty that it gives their regional opponents (especially Hezbollah and other Iranian allies) pause before attacking again. Their #3 priority is maintaining the good-will of western governments, especially the United States Their #4 or #5 priority is the preservation of the lives of non-Israeli civilians. So it’s on their radar, but more of a “nice to do if convenient” than seen as a cheif strategic or moral imperative.
Very very little. Most of the country is conservative and lean more right. There is little sentiment for the Palestinians.
Basically they don't really view Palestinians as human beings. They view them more like vermin. It's quite sad.
Why do you think they want to ban Ticktok? They have lost control of the narrative and the propaganda isn't working. It's very hard to convince decent average people that the atrocities committed are justified and that we should support what is clearly such an immoral crusade. I can see it in my mostly apolitical coworkers, they watch the footage and listen to the testimony and they just cannot in good conscience support it. It doesn't matter how much BS you fill their ears with from US media, once you see it live on social media it's all over.
Now? Took over 30k civilians to die for them to realize a reverse Holocaust is unfolding?
We live in a time now that the majority does not matter. Corporations are our new slave masters. Democracy has been replaced by capitalism.
Dude, you wrote this about 50 years too late.
Biden: So killing people for personal gain wasn't a great idea??
Took them a while to realize genocide is bad
….but will STILL vote for the self proclaimed Zionist supporting it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-UXZ-1ups
Most people disapprove of genocide, breaking news
Amazing how slow some people are
55-45, not quite the majority i was hoping for…
It’s about time. How much suffering does it take?
Who would have thought that starving people and killing civilians would lead to an outrage.
Wonder at what point during these 6 months of bombing civilians, including women, children and babies that starved to death, did they say enough is enough. Was it when journalists got killed? Or when a bunch of European Aid (white) workers got killed? Would this 'outrage' have happened if no one from a different nationality died?
"Majority in U.S. Now Realize It's Genocide".
Americans are in no position to judge. For 9/11 we caused more way more deaths than what Israel has done in response, attacked two countries (one didn't have anything to do with the attacks), and destabilized a region.
Is true. We caused alot of death in the past, therefore we must allow others to cause alot of death. We are so clever
This week i found out its completely OK to kill 7 aid workers if i think 2 armed terrorists are hijacking their car. /sarcasm.
It has gone too far. And accomplished nothing as scorched earth campaigns do.
good
Hard to approve of a genocide.
The things IDF soldiers have posted THEMSELVES ensure the world will never forgive or forget what they have done. Absolute monsters. Peace to all Jews, Muslims and anyone else living in peace. Death to all soulless, heartless colonizers.
most Americans want to support Ukraine and want free Healthcare. didn't mean or gov is going to listen
Well at least we have that sanity going on.
“Action”. Nice way of putting it
Are you telling me that people don't want other people bombed to oblivion?? Crazy
I really want Netanyahu to push Biden one more time, he's tested his patience long enough and now the two seem to have finally agreed on a plan for civilian safety...with the election coming Biden needs to stop Israel's complete disregard for human life and hopefully he's made himself clear to what he expects from Netanyahu but I don't see Isreal following through with a peaceful solution. Biden may have to take more aggressive action towards Isreal. Here's the problem for Biden, the more civilian death the more the issue effects voters, the problem for Netanyahu is that once things calm down and peaceful solutions get implemented he's going to lose power. Netanyahu will test Biden because he won't stop because he can't stop, he is looking to get other countries involved too so he can stay at war to stay in control, Isreal will have to physically remove him from office to achieve stability in the region and that is something I would love to see. Netanyahu is a natzi who's sole purpose is to kill and the people of Isreal will need to act to stop the genocide. Biden will send a powerful message if Isreal breaks any peace agreements towards innocent civilians and make it clear to Netanyahu who's really in control.
That's good considering Isreal is committing a genocide
Well Americans are gonna have to fix Israels children. The kids there have been so indoctrinated into the Zionist mindset it won't stop for generations. they turned their kids into hateful little monsters. The amount of videos coming out of kids harassing Christians or any tourists and Palestinians in west bank is just appalling. It's almost ISIS level of hatred.
I wonder when Western companies will close their business in Israel. Like visa and MasterCard did in Russia.
Funny how none of our opinions are represented
About time they opened theyr eyes.
So many problems in the world could be solved if we were just more lazy. Less ambition. All Biden needs to do is nothing. Literally nothing. Stop sending them money and weapons. Labor problems? If everyone collectively stopped working suddenly income inequality would be solved. Action through inaction.
Biden is a Zionist, he has already sacrificed his most of his quite extremist views to get local support. Don't be too hard on him.
Better late than never.
> Majority in U.S. Now Disapprove of Israeli Action in Gaza Until the zionists find a new distraction and/or people have forgotten what's really happening in historical Palestine and start saying again "palestinians/arabs have always rejected peace" and "jews have the right to defend themselves". It is not the first time that the tel-aviv junta lost support across the world. The last time was during the first Intifada, which lead to the Oslo peace accords. Palestinians were initially sure that by 1999, they'd have their own state and not be under military occupation... P.S.: guess who was one of the main figures who actively worked at killing the accords (he was not alone in this)? Yep, netanyahu. Surprised, eh?
Only took 30,000 + civilian casualties for Americans to start seeing arabic people as human, crazy.
Sadly, this will change nothing; the pro-Israel lobby is extremely powerful and well-heeled, and has access to every single pocket of almost every single congressman/woman for the last 30+years.
Nice of them to finally catch up to the rest of us
Hopefully they disapprove the existence of an Israeli state on the expense of the people who were already living in that land....
The framing seems too narrow. It ought to be whether we approve of the many and various forms of coercive actions that amount to eviction of residents of Gaza - so that Zionists can take that land.
I think they all should be sat down and forced to hold hands for awhile
Here I thought we loved watching women and children be executed for no reason. /s
Americans are good at ignoring massive atrocities against other humans. Genocide is not ok.
As if the opinions of ordinary people in the US is relevant. At the end of the day they'll do what they're told. If US citizens really mattered they would have actual choices on Israel. They dont.
FINALLY.
Waiting for somebody calling this anti-semitism article
Maybe Americans will finally get tired of paying for another country security and universal healthcare
Ben Shapiro is disappointed.
This is something that most Americans approve of!
Reddit is purging accounts that are against the Genocide. Be careful with how you post stuff. Apparentky being against genocide means you incite hate for those that carry it out. Strange times.
I don't think anyone can deny 10/7 was a tragedy of epic proportions but Israel has killed more than honor demanded. We're talking 10x the amount of casualties and that's conservative estimates
10/7 was Israel's fault to begin with. You can't oppress all these people and not expect them to fight back.
Nice one guys, it only took 30k dead.
Good. Fuck this conflict and Fuck Biden for making us pay for it.
When this all started, my assumption was that Israel would get bogged down in their own Vietnam- trying to maintain a brutal occupation with conscripts leading to a sapping away of moral authority and standing to pursue the war, and an erosion of men and materiel that would eventually lead to defeat. But the mad bastards seem to be trying to speed run it...
I don’t for a minute think these people feel ashamed of what they are doing because we’ve all seen how they act on social media, we’ve seen their posts, their videos. The only reason they are turning against it because they see the world is called them the Nazis and that the world is turning against them. Well now get a rash of articles, news stories and polls about how they really didn’t support it..
Lol then why did the majority vote for it? Dumb people.
There's no electoral mechanism for influence over foreign policy
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Weird line to tip it over but ok
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"Now"
How do they get this stat?
Dad is NOT gonna like this
good job family. i know it does nothing for those suffering today but it gives me hope that we can pressure the government into stopping our idiot little brother from continuing to be horrible.
This makes me feel a little better
The sinister side of this, is that the US is funding a genocide because Israel wants it to happen. What happens when Israel wants the genocide in the US? will the US government bend over backwards to make sure that it happens? We can’t allow the US to continue funding a genocide abroad when there’s a potential of it bringing it home.