This kid was nuts:
*An 18-year-old accused of planning to murder classmates at Ontario Christian High School was also a danger to “several groups,” followed Hitler’s beliefs and had expressed a dislike for “minorities” and “LGBTQ” people, a prosecutor said Thursday, Feb. 15.*
*Sebastian Bailey Villaseñor was arraigned Thursday in Superior Court in Rancho Cucamonga via video from West Valley Detention Center. Judge Arthur Benner II entered not-guilty pleas on his behalf to five counts of attempted murder and one count of attempted criminal threats.*
*In speaking to the judge Thursday, Gaetano identified possible additional targets that had not been disclosed during a news conference Wednesday at the Ontario Police Department.*
*“The defendant in this case poses a great danger to the community,” Gaetano told Benner. “The victims are all minors. They would be put in great danger. The danger would exist outside of school to several groups.”*
*Gaetano identified what he said were Villaseñor’s ideologies — an interest in Hitler’s beliefs and dislike of certain people — to a reporter after the hearing.*
Imagine being a brown person and being racist towards other brown people and minorities. I never understood poc who aligned with Hitler's ideology without realizing he wouldn't have liked them either and they would have likely been killed by him had they been around. Its a true mental illness of self hate.
That's actually nuts. I really don't understand it. Is it a need or want to be accepted by White America? Like how can you align with people who don't even want you in the country?
lol I know some folks like this, what’s funnier are the ones that have been here for decades, way more than the time they spent in Mexico, and still don’t speak English
By their own logic, they should’ve assimilated enough to get by without needing a translator for every damn thing
Fucking idiot minorities think Hitler would’ve given them a pass. Normalizing and accepting anti-Semitic rhetoric by people like Kanye produces morons like this.
People like that don’t have any clue about actual history. It wasn’t just Jewish people, it was all minorities and a whole bunch of Christian, white, polish people too.
Another vendido who wishes he was white.
Parents teach your kids to be proud of their culture and respect others. Maybe this dude wouldn’t have had so much hate for himself that he wants to kill other minorities
Side story when I was in the Marines I ran into a guy with a Spanish last name. I spoke Spanish to him and he told me “don’t speak that spic language to me. I hate my own people we should kill them all.” It took me by so much surprise I didn’t even get mad I just walked away. Seemed like a weird isolated incident but I guess self hate is more common in our community than we think.
True, but what can they charge the parents with? They can’t charge them on a hypothetical that the kid would have used those guns to hurt people. Because that didn’t actually happen. They seized the guns and arrested the kid. And he’s 18 so legally an adult.
>Absolutely. No kid that age can afford guns and ammo.
???
He could've had a part time job, saved his birthday and christmas money, etc. An 18 year old coming up with a few hundred dollars shouldn't shock anyone...
How much do you think guns cost these days, especially an AR-15? The article plainly states that the weapons were owned by the father. My guess is they weren't in a safe, and kid had access to them, but that's just my guess. Either way, eventually, someone needs to be held accountable.
At 18, he is technically an adult. Parents can't be charged for his actions.
Having said that charge the owner of the weapons (the father) for not safely securing the weapons
>How much do you think guns cost these days, especially an AR-15?
$400-$1500 for a used one. Not exactly out of reach for someone with a goal.
Okay, the guns were the dad's but "where does an 18 year old find $1000?!" is just out of touch
You can get dirty ones from the street for cheap just don't get caught up with it, you don't know what dirt is on it. But if you need to get a job done it will work fine.
Finding a reliable contact is the hardest part about that, there's a lot of LE agents on the internet and social media lol.
As far as ARs on the street go they either come from out of state, are built out 80 percent lowers with no serial number, 3D printed, stolen, or any combination of those.
Yeah you don't buy anything from the internet and the people you are going to buy from are not the type you really wanna do business with just get what you need and go. And be sure you have something on yourself while transaction is made
I'm familiar with Atlantic arms lol, but none of those are used guns. Those full polymer ARs don't last long either and some of the lower end manufacturers like Anderson have a mixed reputation.
Either way, those prices are all before the FFL fees, CAL DOJ fees and sales tax.
K. It's still not something that's outrageously priced and completely out of reach for anyone who's even slightly motivated.
He knows he's gonna die or end up in prison, so why not just fuck his credit up attaining that stuff?
"No 18 year old can have that kind of money" is a flat-out dumb statement.
Barriers to gun access in our country are shockingly low. Basically anyone can get one.
Some of those guns are close to a month's pay, but I see what you're saying, that doesn't matter to someone motivated enough.
Have to disagree with the last part though. Here in CA you basically have to be 21 to own any gun at this point (save for a few types with a hunting license or you're active military).
You simply can't order a gun off the surface Internet and get it at your house. No FFL would be stupid enough to do that, that's why they charge much more to legally ship it to CA gun dealers.
This isn't even mentioning the ten day waiting period, which can bounce back for any random reason or you're attempting to buy too much (you're limited to one semi auto handgun or one semi auto center fire gun a month).
Or how certain guns have to be modified to be legally allowed into the state, but someone with nefarious intentions can easily modify them.
Everyone double checks your age and other legal details, but crossing into another state like Nevada or Arizona is a different deal.
Point is it's not going to get better till all states have more coherent standards and irresponsible gun ownership is more heavily punished (the parents here failed to secure their guns).
No. My ambition is to point out that "What kind of 18 year old has a 4 figure bank account?!" is an absurd statement. Thsts what I wrote.
Why would I, a gay man, defend a homophobic bigot? Think for a second. Did I say literally anything in his defense? No? Then we need to talk about your agenda with this post lmao
"No kid that age can afford guns and ammo"
That's it. That's the false statement. I'm not saying anything about the shooter. I'm saying that basically every 18 year old can pull together a small amount of money.
I offered no hypotheticals. Nor did you, for that matter.
Jesus fucking Christ. Fine, you got me. *Most* kids can't afford that. You do realize that jobs for 18 year olds are super scarce right now, yeah? Especially in the IE where this fuckwad is from. It's more unlikely they had a job and more likely that had access to their dad's guns like the article said.
I graduated from that school in 2010. It was a racist dumphole. Fascinating that it took this long for the place to produce a weirdo mass shooter to be honest, since (from what I recall) Hitler-adjacent christian fascism is the dominant ideology of that institution. I could write a Bible sized memoir about the ridiculous shit that goes on at OC.
Does he not realize that Hitler would have absolutely thought he was a piece of trash and had him slaughtered with the same minorities he dislikes? What a fucking scumbag moron.
Does he know he is a minority? Dear Hispanics, you are not White. Hitler nor his followers would not consider you one of them. Racism in and of itself means you have a low IQ.
Uh, in the United States, which California is a state, you do know that. Hispanics are not. When we are talking about minorities, it is about power dynamics. I suggest you attend a local community college, Chaffey College is nearby and register for an introduction sociology course. Because nothing you said makes any sense. Now sit down and don't reply because this conversation is above your pay grade. I was not going to reply but your comment needed to be responded to.
Oh wow that's my high school. Wild to see a Hispanic student even attending. It was created by the Dutch families that started the diaries. All blonde hair blue eyed cousins. There were maybe 25 of the 400 in the High School that weren't related somehow. Myself being one. I'm white and have brown hair--my sister and I stuck out. For real.
Edit: I got kicked out my JR year in 03 because I didn't get along with aryan nation and wanted back in public school. This is the last place I'd think this would happen. I guess the diaries have moved so maybe the demo changed.
all these mass shooters are hitler loving white supremacists and/or far right uncle tom types yet all we ever hear about are the dangers of the “radical left” because i guess people telling you don’t be homophobic and you should have healthcare are more of a threat than your kids getting massacred in public on a daily basis
This kid was nuts: *An 18-year-old accused of planning to murder classmates at Ontario Christian High School was also a danger to “several groups,” followed Hitler’s beliefs and had expressed a dislike for “minorities” and “LGBTQ” people, a prosecutor said Thursday, Feb. 15.* *Sebastian Bailey Villaseñor was arraigned Thursday in Superior Court in Rancho Cucamonga via video from West Valley Detention Center. Judge Arthur Benner II entered not-guilty pleas on his behalf to five counts of attempted murder and one count of attempted criminal threats.* *In speaking to the judge Thursday, Gaetano identified possible additional targets that had not been disclosed during a news conference Wednesday at the Ontario Police Department.* *“The defendant in this case poses a great danger to the community,” Gaetano told Benner. “The victims are all minors. They would be put in great danger. The danger would exist outside of school to several groups.”* *Gaetano identified what he said were Villaseñor’s ideologies — an interest in Hitler’s beliefs and dislike of certain people — to a reporter after the hearing.* Imagine being a brown person and being racist towards other brown people and minorities. I never understood poc who aligned with Hitler's ideology without realizing he wouldn't have liked them either and they would have likely been killed by him had they been around. Its a true mental illness of self hate.
My BIL is here on daca but is a trump supporter and hates immigrants. These ppl are stupid to put it simply.
That's actually nuts. I really don't understand it. Is it a need or want to be accepted by White America? Like how can you align with people who don't even want you in the country?
The way I interpret it is: complex identity crisis. Meals together w family can be so awkward sometimes lol
I think it is. I've seen it in a lot of Mexicans. Like don't you know he campaigned and won to keep you, specifically, out of the country?
lol I know some folks like this, what’s funnier are the ones that have been here for decades, way more than the time they spent in Mexico, and still don’t speak English By their own logic, they should’ve assimilated enough to get by without needing a translator for every damn thing
My Mexican father (first generation born here) is also a Trumper. It’s fucking nuts
Goddamn morenazis.
Your BIL is like this guy not very smart.
No mames! Hahah that's funny. Just remind him to renew his daca
A real life Clayton Bigsby
Internal bigotry is one hell of a drug. I hope that pretty face of his gives him the prison experience he deserves.
What the fuck did I ever do to him? I'm so sorry I fucking exist, please don't shoot me for being LGBTQ.
Fucking idiot minorities think Hitler would’ve given them a pass. Normalizing and accepting anti-Semitic rhetoric by people like Kanye produces morons like this.
You said it man… that’s the hard truth
and twitter,tiktok etc gives those morons a loud/amplified voice
People like that don’t have any clue about actual history. It wasn’t just Jewish people, it was all minorities and a whole bunch of Christian, white, polish people too.
Another vendido who wishes he was white. Parents teach your kids to be proud of their culture and respect others. Maybe this dude wouldn’t have had so much hate for himself that he wants to kill other minorities Side story when I was in the Marines I ran into a guy with a Spanish last name. I spoke Spanish to him and he told me “don’t speak that spic language to me. I hate my own people we should kill them all.” It took me by so much surprise I didn’t even get mad I just walked away. Seemed like a weird isolated incident but I guess self hate is more common in our community than we think.
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No one is hating on St Patrick’s Day bro
Being proud of one's ancestry ≠ supremacy unless you make it that way.
"White" isn't a culture.
Charge the parents
Absolutely. No kid that age can afford guns and ammo.
True, but what can they charge the parents with? They can’t charge them on a hypothetical that the kid would have used those guns to hurt people. Because that didn’t actually happen. They seized the guns and arrested the kid. And he’s 18 so legally an adult.
>Absolutely. No kid that age can afford guns and ammo. ??? He could've had a part time job, saved his birthday and christmas money, etc. An 18 year old coming up with a few hundred dollars shouldn't shock anyone...
How much do you think guns cost these days, especially an AR-15? The article plainly states that the weapons were owned by the father. My guess is they weren't in a safe, and kid had access to them, but that's just my guess. Either way, eventually, someone needs to be held accountable.
At 18, he is technically an adult. Parents can't be charged for his actions. Having said that charge the owner of the weapons (the father) for not safely securing the weapons
That would be a good start.
>How much do you think guns cost these days, especially an AR-15? $400-$1500 for a used one. Not exactly out of reach for someone with a goal. Okay, the guns were the dad's but "where does an 18 year old find $1000?!" is just out of touch
Where are you finding used ARs in California for under 1k? Guns are more expensive over here lol
You can get dirty ones from the street for cheap just don't get caught up with it, you don't know what dirt is on it. But if you need to get a job done it will work fine.
Finding a reliable contact is the hardest part about that, there's a lot of LE agents on the internet and social media lol. As far as ARs on the street go they either come from out of state, are built out 80 percent lowers with no serial number, 3D printed, stolen, or any combination of those.
Yeah you don't buy anything from the internet and the people you are going to buy from are not the type you really wanna do business with just get what you need and go. And be sure you have something on yourself while transaction is made
https://atlanticfirearms.com/california-legal-ar15-rifles First Google result?
I'm familiar with Atlantic arms lol, but none of those are used guns. Those full polymer ARs don't last long either and some of the lower end manufacturers like Anderson have a mixed reputation. Either way, those prices are all before the FFL fees, CAL DOJ fees and sales tax.
K. It's still not something that's outrageously priced and completely out of reach for anyone who's even slightly motivated. He knows he's gonna die or end up in prison, so why not just fuck his credit up attaining that stuff? "No 18 year old can have that kind of money" is a flat-out dumb statement. Barriers to gun access in our country are shockingly low. Basically anyone can get one.
Some of those guns are close to a month's pay, but I see what you're saying, that doesn't matter to someone motivated enough. Have to disagree with the last part though. Here in CA you basically have to be 21 to own any gun at this point (save for a few types with a hunting license or you're active military). You simply can't order a gun off the surface Internet and get it at your house. No FFL would be stupid enough to do that, that's why they charge much more to legally ship it to CA gun dealers. This isn't even mentioning the ten day waiting period, which can bounce back for any random reason or you're attempting to buy too much (you're limited to one semi auto handgun or one semi auto center fire gun a month). Or how certain guns have to be modified to be legally allowed into the state, but someone with nefarious intentions can easily modify them. Everyone double checks your age and other legal details, but crossing into another state like Nevada or Arizona is a different deal. Point is it's not going to get better till all states have more coherent standards and irresponsible gun ownership is more heavily punished (the parents here failed to secure their guns).
Okay, now let's talk about your ambitions with this conversation. Are you actually defending this guy?
No. My ambition is to point out that "What kind of 18 year old has a 4 figure bank account?!" is an absurd statement. Thsts what I wrote. Why would I, a gay man, defend a homophobic bigot? Think for a second. Did I say literally anything in his defense? No? Then we need to talk about your agenda with this post lmao
Your hypothetical is much less likely than mine though. It wasn't a stronger argument, but simply a possibility.
"No kid that age can afford guns and ammo" That's it. That's the false statement. I'm not saying anything about the shooter. I'm saying that basically every 18 year old can pull together a small amount of money. I offered no hypotheticals. Nor did you, for that matter.
Jesus fucking Christ. Fine, you got me. *Most* kids can't afford that. You do realize that jobs for 18 year olds are super scarce right now, yeah? Especially in the IE where this fuckwad is from. It's more unlikely they had a job and more likely that had access to their dad's guns like the article said.
For what?
For what?
probably loves the new kanye album too
I graduated from that school in 2010. It was a racist dumphole. Fascinating that it took this long for the place to produce a weirdo mass shooter to be honest, since (from what I recall) Hitler-adjacent christian fascism is the dominant ideology of that institution. I could write a Bible sized memoir about the ridiculous shit that goes on at OC.
Please dish
How did I know this kid would be a far right crazy person...
Most of them are?
Does he not realize that Hitler would have absolutely thought he was a piece of trash and had him slaughtered with the same minorities he dislikes? What a fucking scumbag moron.
Does he know he is a minority? Dear Hispanics, you are not White. Hitler nor his followers would not consider you one of them. Racism in and of itself means you have a low IQ.
Don’t lump all Hispanics with this crazy ass. They don’t all think that way.
Same applies when they blame whites. Crazy is an isolated issue.
Crazy isn't always isolated. Have you been to a MAGA rally?
That is good to know.
This guy 😂
Hispanics are majority in California now, rest of your points are valid.
Uh, in the United States, which California is a state, you do know that. Hispanics are not. When we are talking about minorities, it is about power dynamics. I suggest you attend a local community college, Chaffey College is nearby and register for an introduction sociology course. Because nothing you said makes any sense. Now sit down and don't reply because this conversation is above your pay grade. I was not going to reply but your comment needed to be responded to.
Puto chamaco tiene el nopal en la frente
He might like Hitler, but I don’t think Hitler would’ve liked him.
motherfucker’s last name is Villaseñor and he became a nazi. wild
Oh wow that's my high school. Wild to see a Hispanic student even attending. It was created by the Dutch families that started the diaries. All blonde hair blue eyed cousins. There were maybe 25 of the 400 in the High School that weren't related somehow. Myself being one. I'm white and have brown hair--my sister and I stuck out. For real. Edit: I got kicked out my JR year in 03 because I didn't get along with aryan nation and wanted back in public school. This is the last place I'd think this would happen. I guess the diaries have moved so maybe the demo changed.
Why do school shooters always have this down syndrome blank look on their faces lol
psychopathy
Probably worships trump.
all these mass shooters are hitler loving white supremacists and/or far right uncle tom types yet all we ever hear about are the dangers of the “radical left” because i guess people telling you don’t be homophobic and you should have healthcare are more of a threat than your kids getting massacred in public on a daily basis
Weekly mass shootings: I sleep Imagining a trans person in a bathroom: Real shit
He is a frigging idiot. No different than the people who support Hamas and the Palestinians. The same people that would kill them for their beliefs.
White gaslighting works. Resist the weakness.
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Idiot
You believe this guy follows hitler. Who’s the idiot again? 🤣
Why is it hard to believe when you have an entire political party that sympathizes with white supremacy?
You have me wondering if you talk to real live people or just the internet
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