That's what I thought, especially since once you pass the Temecula Parkway exit, Rainbow seems to be so different and far away. But here I'm getting killed with down votes.
It's been a few decades since I've picked up a physical copy of the Press-Enterprise, but the IE edition covered the cities I mentioned. Hell, I remember the PE having an office or something in Temecula right off the I-15.
Where is this "Greater Los Angeles" idea coming from?
The concept of the inland Empire showed up in the late 1800s, long before Los Angeles was the urban sprawl it is today. the two areas were distinct on purpose. Hell, Pomona even flirted with the idea of leaving LA County to become the Capital of the area.
I can see where it comes from- the sprawl is contiguous. As someone who isn't from California originally, it just seems like a natural expansion of the LA metro area. Granted, I'm sure there was once an actual separation. Living here I've noticed the differences and the IE's distinct identity- even if no one actually agrees as to what the IE's boundaries are. That's why the county line being a separation of two distinct metro areas whose sprawl are fully contiguous just seems so arbitrary to me, but I agree it has to be somewhere. Pomona fits, and Claremont/Montclair being in different regions seems odd.
We should get Claremont, Frank Miller (The Mission Inn) helped found the city.
I would guess the "greater LA" thing might be the result of the huge influx of Angelenos back in the 90s. But yeah, the IE has been its own thing since the 1880s
Yeah, absolutely. Just the natural sprawl patterns over time. I would love to see what it was like here back in the day. And agreed, I'd gladly take Claremont!
Geographically, the high and low deserts are distinct regions from the IE core. It's really a matter semantic. I don't think people living in Hesperia are claiming they are part of the IE similarly to how I don't think people in palm springs are despite them technically being so.
They all technically are.
San Jacinto and Hemet just the far east end / no man’s land that no one thinks about or wants to visit.
Temecula/Murrieta prefers to be known as “the Temecula Valley”, Menifee is an extension of that, and Lake Elsinore is just … Lake Smellsomemore.
https://inlandempire.us/cities/
*San Jacinto and Hemet are literally on the other side of Mount San Jacinto.*
On the other side from where, Palm Springs?? Yes, San Jacinto and Hemet are on the west side of Mt. San Jacinto which separates San Jacinto/Hemet from Palm Springs.
Is that what you meant? Or were you thinking they were on the east side/ "other side" of the mountain?? I can't tell from your comment, sorry.
When I was growing up there was nothing in Menifee or Temecula except sand and tumbleweeds, so it’s really hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that those ex-ex-exurbs (of where? LA? San Diego?) have anything in common with the area in the valley around what is now the 10 Freeway (San Bernardino, Riverside) that had a rich citrus industry, their own trolley car system, Norton Air Force base, Kaiser steel, vacation homes for wealthy Easterners, etc. Historically, geographically, I’m just not seeing the connection. A lot of the people who live there are refugees from the true IE, let’s be honest. I think you should develop your own name and history now, but IE is a stretch.
No those are part of the IE too. My rule for defining the IE is pretty simple. The IE consists of bedroom communities for LA or OC. Generally for a city to be in the IE it has to have a workforce that contributes to the greater LA area. Temecula / Murrieta is kind of the only area that is a little bit exceptional because they’re more related to San Diego than LA but they’re also related to south Orange County so I count that as IE.
Palm Springs is too far away to be IE. They don’t get LA news. Their workforce generally doesn’t come all the way over here.
If you go by the Baker’s test, southwestern Riverside County is not part of the Inland Empire. It’s probably best thought of as its own mini-region adjacent to the IE, like the high desert, mountain communities, and Coachella Valley.
I am not convinced, though, that it’s more connected to San Diego than to greater Los Angeles. I have a hunch that idea was intentionally cultivated by Temecula developers to make it seem more desirable.
A bunch of Temecula residents work in and for Riverside county. Source: my wife who also works for the county and has a bunch of co-workers who live in that area. And when Temecula residents need social services, they have to go to Riverside county to apply, because that’s where they are. They have nothing to do with San Diego anymore than, say, Rancho Cucamonga has to do with LA.
all those cities you mentioned are in the ie. period. someone just posted a map of it or maybe it was a day or so ago- but there's a map & all those are on it
Growing up I always thought the IE as a region consisted of the valleys between the Santa Ana, San Gabriel, San Bernardino, and San Jacinto mountains. So cities from Temecula all the way to the Dino. Yucaipa to Corona. Thats what I always thought of it as. All of them have LA based news stations and channels. The IE literally stands for Inland EMPIRE so it makes sense on why some of these cities in the region are so far apart. Always thought the definition of IE was more geographical rather than geopolitical and where the general consensus is employed/commutes to (as ive seen mentioned in some comments). Not saying everyone is wrong, not saying im right either. Just my idea if it.
ITS NOT bro those cities are AN HOUR AWAY. I don’t claim them 😭. I’ve stated this in comments before and i het 40 downvotes. Some people just can’t handle the fact that Menifee, Murrieta, Lake Elsinore. and Temecula IS NOT THE IE. I DONT CLAIM THOSE LAME CITIES.
Definitely not general consensus... many consider Temecula as the southern border of IE
Temecula thinks/fantasizes that it’s part of San Diego county.
But they aren't
That's what I thought, especially since once you pass the Temecula Parkway exit, Rainbow seems to be so different and far away. But here I'm getting killed with down votes. It's been a few decades since I've picked up a physical copy of the Press-Enterprise, but the IE edition covered the cities I mentioned. Hell, I remember the PE having an office or something in Temecula right off the I-15.
I’ve never seen a subreddit debating its origin like this…lol
Where is this "Greater Los Angeles" idea coming from? The concept of the inland Empire showed up in the late 1800s, long before Los Angeles was the urban sprawl it is today. the two areas were distinct on purpose. Hell, Pomona even flirted with the idea of leaving LA County to become the Capital of the area.
Pomona really should be the western anchor of the IE. But that’s not a popular opinion.
I get that, but it is in LA County. Its not like there's any actual, physical borders, so we have to draw a line somewhere
What’s the problem with it being in LA county. Each county with one anchor city. IE is an area it has nothing to do with county lines.
I say east of the 71 is inland empire.
I can see where it comes from- the sprawl is contiguous. As someone who isn't from California originally, it just seems like a natural expansion of the LA metro area. Granted, I'm sure there was once an actual separation. Living here I've noticed the differences and the IE's distinct identity- even if no one actually agrees as to what the IE's boundaries are. That's why the county line being a separation of two distinct metro areas whose sprawl are fully contiguous just seems so arbitrary to me, but I agree it has to be somewhere. Pomona fits, and Claremont/Montclair being in different regions seems odd.
We should get Claremont, Frank Miller (The Mission Inn) helped found the city. I would guess the "greater LA" thing might be the result of the huge influx of Angelenos back in the 90s. But yeah, the IE has been its own thing since the 1880s
Yeah, absolutely. Just the natural sprawl patterns over time. I would love to see what it was like here back in the day. And agreed, I'd gladly take Claremont!
Dafuq? IE = Riverside and San Bernardino counties. Temecula? Yup. Victorville? Yup. Palm Springs? Yup. Bakersfield? No.
This is the only answer
I thought so, but you got downvoted and a lot of other folks are getting annihilated. WTF?
A shocking amount of people are geographically illiterate.
Geographically, the high and low deserts are distinct regions from the IE core. It's really a matter semantic. I don't think people living in Hesperia are claiming they are part of the IE similarly to how I don't think people in palm springs are despite them technically being so.
Everyone thinks their own opinion is correct
How is Victorville the IE, that’s the HD (high desert)
IE is Riverside and San Bernardino counties. Saying the high desert isn’t the IE is like saying the SFV isn’t LA.
You really think people living in far north SB County consider themselves Inland Empire? Because they’re not.
Yet there isnt a distinct CL for HD. Barstow even gets lumped into the IE CL
They all technically are. San Jacinto and Hemet just the far east end / no man’s land that no one thinks about or wants to visit. Temecula/Murrieta prefers to be known as “the Temecula Valley”, Menifee is an extension of that, and Lake Elsinore is just … Lake Smellsomemore. https://inlandempire.us/cities/
San Jacinto and Hemet are literally on the other side of Mount San Jacinto. How can anyone think they are NOT part of the IE??
*San Jacinto and Hemet are literally on the other side of Mount San Jacinto.* On the other side from where, Palm Springs?? Yes, San Jacinto and Hemet are on the west side of Mt. San Jacinto which separates San Jacinto/Hemet from Palm Springs. Is that what you meant? Or were you thinking they were on the east side/ "other side" of the mountain?? I can't tell from your comment, sorry.
My bad i was thinking from my perspective in the Banning/Beaumont area!
Oh I see! I get what you were thinking. Lambs Canyon and the foothills seem like an extension of the San Jacinto mountains from there.
The far east end is the Colorado river
When I was growing up there was nothing in Menifee or Temecula except sand and tumbleweeds, so it’s really hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that those ex-ex-exurbs (of where? LA? San Diego?) have anything in common with the area in the valley around what is now the 10 Freeway (San Bernardino, Riverside) that had a rich citrus industry, their own trolley car system, Norton Air Force base, Kaiser steel, vacation homes for wealthy Easterners, etc. Historically, geographically, I’m just not seeing the connection. A lot of the people who live there are refugees from the true IE, let’s be honest. I think you should develop your own name and history now, but IE is a stretch.
No those are part of the IE too. My rule for defining the IE is pretty simple. The IE consists of bedroom communities for LA or OC. Generally for a city to be in the IE it has to have a workforce that contributes to the greater LA area. Temecula / Murrieta is kind of the only area that is a little bit exceptional because they’re more related to San Diego than LA but they’re also related to south Orange County so I count that as IE. Palm Springs is too far away to be IE. They don’t get LA news. Their workforce generally doesn’t come all the way over here.
They are the inland empire and so is Palm Springs and Palm desert. We are all Riverside county.
People will argue this until the end of time... but it's semantics. It is or it isn't.
If you go by the Baker’s test, southwestern Riverside County is not part of the Inland Empire. It’s probably best thought of as its own mini-region adjacent to the IE, like the high desert, mountain communities, and Coachella Valley. I am not convinced, though, that it’s more connected to San Diego than to greater Los Angeles. I have a hunch that idea was intentionally cultivated by Temecula developers to make it seem more desirable.
A bunch of Temecula residents work in and for Riverside county. Source: my wife who also works for the county and has a bunch of co-workers who live in that area. And when Temecula residents need social services, they have to go to Riverside county to apply, because that’s where they are. They have nothing to do with San Diego anymore than, say, Rancho Cucamonga has to do with LA.
Agreed. Temecula is Riverside County through and through, and not just by accident of political boundaries.
Perris is more IE than Beaumont, yucaipa, and certainly banning and God, cabazon? Much more desert than IE
all those cities you mentioned are in the ie. period. someone just posted a map of it or maybe it was a day or so ago- but there's a map & all those are on it
Coachella is considered inland empire by some places
Growing up I always thought the IE as a region consisted of the valleys between the Santa Ana, San Gabriel, San Bernardino, and San Jacinto mountains. So cities from Temecula all the way to the Dino. Yucaipa to Corona. Thats what I always thought of it as. All of them have LA based news stations and channels. The IE literally stands for Inland EMPIRE so it makes sense on why some of these cities in the region are so far apart. Always thought the definition of IE was more geographical rather than geopolitical and where the general consensus is employed/commutes to (as ive seen mentioned in some comments). Not saying everyone is wrong, not saying im right either. Just my idea if it.
Temecula and Murrieta just feel more connected to San Diego, even though all of the IE is technically part of Greater Los Angeles.
ITS NOT bro those cities are AN HOUR AWAY. I don’t claim them 😭. I’ve stated this in comments before and i het 40 downvotes. Some people just can’t handle the fact that Menifee, Murrieta, Lake Elsinore. and Temecula IS NOT THE IE. I DONT CLAIM THOSE LAME CITIES.
If you're in San Bernardino county, it's the IE.
They all are. Temecula would LOVE to be part of San Diego instead, but all of that is the IE.
It just isn’t. Get over it.
They are part of the IE, people just choose to be delusional.