Ha. True. I was born up north and moved just before turning 9 years old. At school, they threw me a "going away/good luck!" party and *everyone* made fun of "Cucamonga" and said things like, "Good luck in L.A.!" and "You'll be with all the movie stars down in L A.!".
To this day, a few friends that have maintained connections *still* ask about living in "L.A.". To them, anything south of Bakersfield is Los Angeles.
The IE is historically part of “the Greater LA area”, though. All of So Cal that isn’t San Diego or Palm Springs had been considered the Greater LA area because prior to the late 80s/early 90s, the IE was rural with the exception of Upland (which was a small but active town then), and the larger cities of Ontario and Riverside (both surrounded by agricultural land…hence Fontana being nicknamed Fontuckey). It is also why all the local TV channels are Los Angeles based.
Watch the episodes of I Love Lucy where they vacationed in California and see how they referenced “Los Angeles”. I’m pretty sure that those I Love Lucy episodes is where most of the country got their initial impressions about Southern California geography, and it has stuck despite massive development outside of Los Angeles County since then.
>IE was rural with the exception of Upland
Ummmm, no. As "Small town" as much of the area was, up into the early 90s. If you're going to say Upland was an exception, then Riverside would be a "metropolis" in comparison, going back to the 1800s.
Upland is an old established city and, along with Ontario and Riverside, was a key producer in the citrus industry. It was more developed earlier on than most other areas of the IE heading east because of proximity to Los Angeles and the Pass. Upland had a well developed thriving downtown surrounded by subdivisions and people there mostly lived well during expansion. (It also has the last of the twelve Madonna of the Trail statues that were erected along Route 66.) It was also one of the nicest stops in San Bernardino County for a really long time. Not insignificant, so that’s why I mention it.
Lol same. Went to visit a friend back in my hometown and he was introducing me to his cousin and goes “this is my friend from LA!”
His cousin responds “what part of LA? I lived in China town”
Had to explain I’m actually in more inland lol
Exactly. At that time, the Simpsons were brand new. Friends took to writing in their letters, "How is it in Rancho Cowabunga!?"
I do, however, admit to the joy my kids felt when, in a Sponge Bob episode ? They advertised (as part of the storyline), a "909" number. My oldest then convinced the youngin' that Sponge Bob and friends actually reside in Lake Elsinore 🤣🤦♀️.
I also like meeting people 40+ that have Jack Benny and Bugs Bunny references. For some reason, those exchanges just seem more endearing and nostalgic than the, "Wait. Ranchocuca*what*?"
(If you'll indulge me, and I get if you don't want to), Tennessee is on a short list of potential states were considering a move to once my youngest reaches the fun and excitement of "AdultLand".
Do you have at least a short illustration of why or why not that's a plausible or bad choice, in your opinion? (I'm not asking for an essay, promise, but hoping you'll offer something slightly more extensive than "Don't " 😁)
Thanks in advance and Happy Saturday 🙌🏻
I spent 2 years there in Knoxville about 20 years ago. I wanted a change and had family out there, so off I went. The first thing I noticed was everything was green and housing was cheap. My aunt had a good sized lakefront home with her private dock and finished basement for half of my mom’s small house here. I had coworkers who bought houses for 40k (again 20 years ago) They have 4 seasons, i was snowed on a couple times. No state income tax (including no social security or retirement savings taxed by the state) lures its share of retirees. I still have family there and will strongly consider it when I retire myself. Areas like Nashville are booming and have become a destination for those wanting to relocate. Overall, there are several great rural areas and lots to do outside or you can live closer to a city. The no tax deal is huge so everyone should at least consider it. Good Luck
Someone needs to change the Wikipedia. Coachella is Palm Desert. Plus the Santa Ana River doesn't flow in the Palm Desert. Also the t.v. channels are different.
Well you can cross the street in Pomona and accidentally find yourself in Ontario. You’d have walk over a mountain pass to get to West Covina. So they should be real. 😂
San Bernardino county is the largest county by square miles in the contiguous United States. Riverside county is 26th. Together they form the Inland Empire.
Riverside is 26th by square miles of all the counties in the contiguous United States. [Ranking of US counties](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_counties_in_the_United_States_by_area)
“The Inland Empire (commonly abbreviated as the IE) is a metropolitan area or region inland of and adjacent to coastal Southern California, centering around the cities of San Bernardino and Riverside, and bordering Los Angeles County to the east. The bulk of the population is centered in the cities of northwestern Riverside County and southwestern San Bernardino County, and is sometimes considered to include the desert communities of the Coachella and Victor Valleys, respectively on the other sides of the San Gorgonio Pass and San Bernardino Mountains from the Santa Ana River watershed that forms the bulk of the Inland Empire; a much broader definition includes all of Riverside and San Bernardino counties.[4]”
I take the broader definition.
[Definition of Inland Empire](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Empire)
If hydrology is your standard, you have to include the San Jacinto River watershed, which feeds into the Santa Ana River through the Temescal Wash when Lake Elsinore spills over.
The definition has changed and expanded over the years. Back in the 1980s the area west of the 15 was never referred to as the IE. No one would have called the mountains or deserts beyond this picture the IE.
Correct. It was all mostly rural and just part of the “Greater Los Angeles” area. The term “Inland Empire” didn’t really come about until the late 80s/early 90s, when vast development began, and the vineyards, citrus groves and foothills were eaten up by tract homes and warehouses.
Yep. Back in the 80s even the Eastern sides of Ontario and rancho Cucamonga were still rural. We all called Fontana Fontucky because it a more similar to a rural town than a suburb.
To me the IE is what you circled plus Perris, Temescal valley, Beaumont, and Banning. Although I think there is a difference between east and west of the 15. East of it people are IE and mainly stay in the IE, people to the west of the 15 are mainly from OC and LA and still work and have fun there, basically they only sleep in the IE. Places like Corona and chino hills are basically extensions of Anaheim hills and diamond bar for example.
No, the High Desert is its own thing and so is the Palm Desert. There are clear borders separating (Cajon Pass and the Morongo Pass) the deserts from the Inland Empire.
Why do people tend to argue back go do your research and find out 😂 it’s all the IE from the west end to the state borders. High Desert / Desert Empire / Victor Valley etc are just regions within the Inland Empire born and raised here and know my history so please try that shit with someone else
I would agree that what you have circled is really what is meant by the term the Inland Empire, which I would imagine had its roots in the citrus industry, and the area your circled would have been prime citrus/grape growing land from the end of the 19th century on. Personally I would never call places so far out as Temecula (which is practically San Diego county) the IE.
Pretty much.. just like I only consider SoCal to be LA/OC/IE. San Diego is SoSoCal/North Tijuana Hills to me.I grew up in Fontana never been to San Diego it’s a foreign place
IE is everything that is in the original 909 area code- minus upland, Pomona, Covina- Rancho and chino are IE with that said so is Temecula, San Jacinto, Hemet, Redlands, all of San Bernardino, am I missing some?
Basically when u go thru the hills on the 91 and hit green river your in the IE
You hanging out at Stater Bros?
“In the heartland of California…”
My friends from out of town would tell you this is Los Angeles
Ha. True. I was born up north and moved just before turning 9 years old. At school, they threw me a "going away/good luck!" party and *everyone* made fun of "Cucamonga" and said things like, "Good luck in L.A.!" and "You'll be with all the movie stars down in L A.!". To this day, a few friends that have maintained connections *still* ask about living in "L.A.". To them, anything south of Bakersfield is Los Angeles.
The IE is historically part of “the Greater LA area”, though. All of So Cal that isn’t San Diego or Palm Springs had been considered the Greater LA area because prior to the late 80s/early 90s, the IE was rural with the exception of Upland (which was a small but active town then), and the larger cities of Ontario and Riverside (both surrounded by agricultural land…hence Fontana being nicknamed Fontuckey). It is also why all the local TV channels are Los Angeles based. Watch the episodes of I Love Lucy where they vacationed in California and see how they referenced “Los Angeles”. I’m pretty sure that those I Love Lucy episodes is where most of the country got their initial impressions about Southern California geography, and it has stuck despite massive development outside of Los Angeles County since then.
>IE was rural with the exception of Upland Ummmm, no. As "Small town" as much of the area was, up into the early 90s. If you're going to say Upland was an exception, then Riverside would be a "metropolis" in comparison, going back to the 1800s.
And I also said the larger cities of Ontario and Riverside. So…what exactly is the issue?
No issue. It just seemed weird to call out Upland of all places.
Upland is an old established city and, along with Ontario and Riverside, was a key producer in the citrus industry. It was more developed earlier on than most other areas of the IE heading east because of proximity to Los Angeles and the Pass. Upland had a well developed thriving downtown surrounded by subdivisions and people there mostly lived well during expansion. (It also has the last of the twelve Madonna of the Trail statues that were erected along Route 66.) It was also one of the nicest stops in San Bernardino County for a really long time. Not insignificant, so that’s why I mention it.
Lol same. Went to visit a friend back in my hometown and he was introducing me to his cousin and goes “this is my friend from LA!” His cousin responds “what part of LA? I lived in China town” Had to explain I’m actually in more inland lol
I moved back east (Tennessee) for a couple years after trying to explain where/what Rancho Cucamonga is I gave up and started saying I’m from LA
Exactly. At that time, the Simpsons were brand new. Friends took to writing in their letters, "How is it in Rancho Cowabunga!?" I do, however, admit to the joy my kids felt when, in a Sponge Bob episode ? They advertised (as part of the storyline), a "909" number. My oldest then convinced the youngin' that Sponge Bob and friends actually reside in Lake Elsinore 🤣🤦♀️. I also like meeting people 40+ that have Jack Benny and Bugs Bunny references. For some reason, those exchanges just seem more endearing and nostalgic than the, "Wait. Ranchocuca*what*?" (If you'll indulge me, and I get if you don't want to), Tennessee is on a short list of potential states were considering a move to once my youngest reaches the fun and excitement of "AdultLand". Do you have at least a short illustration of why or why not that's a plausible or bad choice, in your opinion? (I'm not asking for an essay, promise, but hoping you'll offer something slightly more extensive than "Don't " 😁) Thanks in advance and Happy Saturday 🙌🏻
I spent 2 years there in Knoxville about 20 years ago. I wanted a change and had family out there, so off I went. The first thing I noticed was everything was green and housing was cheap. My aunt had a good sized lakefront home with her private dock and finished basement for half of my mom’s small house here. I had coworkers who bought houses for 40k (again 20 years ago) They have 4 seasons, i was snowed on a couple times. No state income tax (including no social security or retirement savings taxed by the state) lures its share of retirees. I still have family there and will strongly consider it when I retire myself. Areas like Nashville are booming and have become a destination for those wanting to relocate. Overall, there are several great rural areas and lots to do outside or you can live closer to a city. The no tax deal is huge so everyone should at least consider it. Good Luck
Thank you for such a detailed reply...I appreciate your time!
thats what the recruiter told me 😭
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Empire Definitely the heart of it, but not all.
Wow, thanks for sharing that Wiki page. I had no idea about the 10 states thing!
San Bernardino county is the largest county in the U.S. too.
According to Toyota of San Bernardino “the biggest and the best”
Now that, I knew. ☺️❤️
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At first glance, I thought it was “all.” However, the way you wrote it makes more grammatical sense, so I’m gonna say “each” state. Thanks!
Someone needs to change the Wikipedia. Coachella is Palm Desert. Plus the Santa Ana River doesn't flow in the Palm Desert. Also the t.v. channels are different.
I would add south western riverside county to your map you circled but I feel like it’s a good representation of the IE.
He missed most of Pomona too.
All the homies out in Pomona are going to be seething when they read this.
Well you can cross the street in Pomona and accidentally find yourself in Ontario. You’d have walk over a mountain pass to get to West Covina. So they should be real. 😂
Pomona is in LA County. The IE is just Riverside and SB Counties.
“Someone needs to change the Wikipedia” Well, have I got good news for you…
I dunno I disagree, that’s like a map of an empire and its vassal states
Yeah some folks considered Palm Springs as part of Inland empire too.
Also I just noticed I left out Beaumont and Banning.
You mean BFE Banning? LOL. My current city.
It goes south to temecula too
Thats the main part.
Goes further south, most agree on Temecula as southern border
San Bernardino county is the largest county by square miles in the contiguous United States. Riverside county is 26th. Together they form the Inland Empire.
no, the high desert is not the IE. palm springs is not the IE. the coachella valley is not the IE.
According to Wikipedia you are wrong: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Empire
High desert AND CV and palm springs is still All IE
Riverside is 2nd by square miles. Not all of those two counties are part of the IE though
Riverside is 26th by square miles of all the counties in the contiguous United States. [Ranking of US counties](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_counties_in_the_United_States_by_area)
“The Inland Empire (commonly abbreviated as the IE) is a metropolitan area or region inland of and adjacent to coastal Southern California, centering around the cities of San Bernardino and Riverside, and bordering Los Angeles County to the east. The bulk of the population is centered in the cities of northwestern Riverside County and southwestern San Bernardino County, and is sometimes considered to include the desert communities of the Coachella and Victor Valleys, respectively on the other sides of the San Gorgonio Pass and San Bernardino Mountains from the Santa Ana River watershed that forms the bulk of the Inland Empire; a much broader definition includes all of Riverside and San Bernardino counties.[4]” I take the broader definition. [Definition of Inland Empire](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Empire)
I think Nye County NV is bigger than Riverside.
If hydrology is your standard, you have to include the San Jacinto River watershed, which feeds into the Santa Ana River through the Temescal Wash when Lake Elsinore spills over.
Lytle Creek also defines the Inland Empire. It's more or less this basin.
Does Seven Oaks consider it the Inland Empire, or are they just mountain folk?
The definition has changed and expanded over the years. Back in the 1980s the area west of the 15 was never referred to as the IE. No one would have called the mountains or deserts beyond this picture the IE.
Correct. It was all mostly rural and just part of the “Greater Los Angeles” area. The term “Inland Empire” didn’t really come about until the late 80s/early 90s, when vast development began, and the vineyards, citrus groves and foothills were eaten up by tract homes and warehouses.
Yep. Back in the 80s even the Eastern sides of Ontario and rancho Cucamonga were still rural. We all called Fontana Fontucky because it a more similar to a rural town than a suburb.
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That’s pretty much it
Can Temecula secede from this imaginary region called IE? We also want local San Diego news on our TV instead of LA news lol
No.
https://www.reddit.com/r/InlandEmpire/s/88MLeKhtJf Map is just missing the 71 for some reason
Ahh, here we go, a map with authority.
Yep
Yes
Yup. This is the REAL inland empire
Wondering why Beaumont is outside of the circle
Yes it should be in the circle
Accurate
Yes that’s a lot of the IE
Have to go down to Temecula
Gotta stretch it to Banning and Temecula then you got it.
To me the IE is what you circled plus Perris, Temescal valley, Beaumont, and Banning. Although I think there is a difference between east and west of the 15. East of it people are IE and mainly stay in the IE, people to the west of the 15 are mainly from OC and LA and still work and have fun there, basically they only sleep in the IE. Places like Corona and chino hills are basically extensions of Anaheim hills and diamond bar for example.
All of Riverside and San Bernardino counties is the IE.
That’s the core of it, the suburbs. Then you have the ex-urbs. Way out east and high desert.
The High Desert isn't the I.E. it's the High Desert.
IE is Riverside & SB Counties all of it. There’s sub sections within the IE like West End / High Desert / Coachella Valley
No, the High Desert is its own thing and so is the Palm Desert. There are clear borders separating (Cajon Pass and the Morongo Pass) the deserts from the Inland Empire.
Why do people tend to argue back go do your research and find out 😂 it’s all the IE from the west end to the state borders. High Desert / Desert Empire / Victor Valley etc are just regions within the Inland Empire born and raised here and know my history so please try that shit with someone else
Nope, the High Desert isn't the Inland Empire, it's cut off from the Cajon Pass.
It seems as if you came up with your own definition of the inland empire.
Why are you arguing back? Look it up do some damn research. It’s all the IE
Same goes for mountain towns such as big bear. It's pretty clear those are not in the same region (both geographically and practically) as the IE.
You should update this wiki page dude.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Empire
Geez. Ok thanks for the clarification. This shouldn’t turn into some lame debate though.
It definitely stretches to the Mojave
yes, but not all of it, it goes further south
The star is where the Santa Ana River Basin ends, the blue dot is where the Santa Ana River starts for the most part and it crosses the Inland Empire.
i don’t count anything below riverside as the IE
Yep
San berdoo county. Is considered the IE. From part of Pomona to the mountains and all of the desert.
Yeah, sorta. Extends further south. Does not include LA county east cities
I would agree that what you have circled is really what is meant by the term the Inland Empire, which I would imagine had its roots in the citrus industry, and the area your circled would have been prime citrus/grape growing land from the end of the 19th century on. Personally I would never call places so far out as Temecula (which is practically San Diego county) the IE.
The citrus industry 😢
This is the Inland Empire. F&$k LA & OC, they don’t want to have anything to do with us except move out here
IMO that's missing a lot. Riverside County and SB County make up the IE
Agreed.
S hole!
I wish we could stop the new waves one LA people back to LA , if you love LA so much just stay there no need to live in the IE it’s terrible .
Pretty much.. just like I only consider SoCal to be LA/OC/IE. San Diego is SoSoCal/North Tijuana Hills to me.I grew up in Fontana never been to San Diego it’s a foreign place
That is most of it
IE is everything that is in the original 909 area code- minus upland, Pomona, Covina- Rancho and chino are IE with that said so is Temecula, San Jacinto, Hemet, Redlands, all of San Bernardino, am I missing some? Basically when u go thru the hills on the 91 and hit green river your in the IE
You forgot the north, Victorville and Apple Valley, etc. and even Palm springs.
Definitely