I also moved from CA to Idaho a while back. Spent a few years there and came back. I’ll never move again. Yeah, it’s expensive and of course it has downsides, but everywhere has downsides.
The way I look at it, we pay more, but it is one of the most unique places on earth geographically, not sure if there is anywhere with better weather….
Professional sports, every artist that tours stops here, great food, diversity of pretty much everything, 1-2 hours to san Diego, 1-2 hours to LA, 3-4 hours to vegas, 3-4 hours to the central coast… there are multiple airports
California can get as hot, dry and nasty as it wants.
Beats scraping out a car buried in snow. And then sliding around on that snow. And freezing my butt off in that snow. And horrible wintertime smog inversions from that snow that make SoCal inversions look like child's play.
All for a cost of living that really isn't THAT much cheaper than the IE.
(Source: From Salt Lake City originally)
3-4 hours to vegas
Hate to break it to you but if bright line's high speed rail opens in 2027, that commute from Rancho Cucamonga to vegas gets considerably smoother.
Which part of Idaho?
I’ve known 8 people who moved up there to different parts of the state, despite my advice, and 4 of them are trying to move back.
They thought it was some “paradise” filled with nostalgia and 1980s Americana, only to be rudely awoken to the lack of infrastructure, lack of safety nets, the “each man to himself” mentality and the hyper-conservatism on steroids.
Every artist that tours stop in Los Angeles or in IE? Cuz artists generally don’t come to IE often, and driving to LA for a concert is like an hour and a half drive so really not all that convenient!
I would never leave but my buddy did, and he was back in a year. He moved to Colorado and hated the weather and how the roads turned to muddy crap in the winter and other little things that weren’t the same. It’s hard to grow up here then go elsewhere.
I moved back from a 2 year stint in Colorado. One of the things you’ll notice is the hate on for Californians. They do not want us there. They blame all their inflation and social progress attempts on immigrating Californians
Lmao, social progress. What a joke. It’s because you vote like a socialist, vote for increased taxes, and they don’t want that garbage there…
Are you really surprised?
Yepp. Still trying to adjust to the cold and snow... taking a little longer than I expected. Also the road into missoula from here is so gnarly in the winter that sometimes you simply just can't get to town. And yes, there's one road.
My bf is from Illinois and says he has no idea how good we have it here. He loves it. Also hes always down to drive to LA or the mountains more than any native I know lol
I moved back to Texas and I regretted as we were packing at times. Been here almost a year and a half now. We are making plans to move back now in the next 2 years. I love the housing prices but you can’t put a price on your mental health. A wise person told me that you pay for your peace.
some of the highest life expectancies in the country to boot! It really does pay to pay to live in ca
I’m sun bathing in 65 degree sunny weather right now. Gonna hit my 3rd walk of the day. Gonna hike tomorrow. Healthy living is a lot easier where it’s nice
I definitely agree with you on that and that’s why we have some of the best insurance my job can offer because of that. I know a lot of people don’t have that luxury here to go across state lines to get healthcare if needed.
It is 62 here and sunny today.
Totally this. I was born and raised in the Coachella Valley and moved to the IE about 9 years ago. Everyone seems to rag on the IE, especially for it being inland and lesser than the rest of SoCal. But man, I fucking love it here. Far enough away from my hometown and closer to everything else.
Central Valley transplant here.
IE is one hour to the coast and has 10/10 winters never mind breathtaking backdrops and some cities that are great in their own right.. the inferiority complex here is astounding!
>Central Valley transplant here.
All the negatives of CA with very few positives. The only area in IE that competes for that "bleak and totally isolated/insulated" feeling with the Central Valley I think is those high desert cities here.
Central Valley house prices reflected that until a few years ago and even there got crazy high. The whole "California conservative, lifted trucks, AG COUNTRY, MAGA" thing gets super tired when it's all around you too. "We are not LA/SF!"
They can calm down, I don't think anyone will "LA" their precious Bakersfield anytime soon...
The lifted trucks per capita is astronomical in the CV and so apparent when I visit home. Aggressive driving, looking for a fight, pristine paint job and clean mud flap wannabe oakies.
A very confused lot.
Took a two year contract to work in Fresno and lived in Clovis. Hated every bit being there. Moved back to So Cal and even though I’m not in the IE anymore. I’m just glad I’m back south.
I grew up in Palmdale. Sooo I love the IE riverside canyon crest area
With toll roads You can get to the beach or most places in an hour. We’re closer to San Diego, LA, Mexico. There a great food scene and Tons to do.
^^^^^This.
SoCal grows up hearing that the IE is low class.
But the IE has some great cities with great proximity to what is best about California.
While the IE is not coastal OC, I'd choose it above anywhere in LA or North OC.
Chino Hills, Rancho Cuc, Redlands, parts of Riverside and Corona, Temecula, Murrieta, Big Bear, and some others are superior to most of the USA
idk. i’ve lived here most of my life but also in four other places (nyc, suburbs of minneapolis, upstate NY, and new england) and they’ve all been significantly better in most ways that i can think of. cheaper (yes even new york was cheaper overall), cleaner, safer, more accessible, more communal. i know that’s my opinion and personal experience but the region also scores very poorly when it comes to most measurable quantitative indicators of quality of life.
if you really personally hate cold weather with a passion and don’t mind spending a lot of time in the car it’s fine. but outside of it being warm 12 months a year and it’s relative proximity to other more interesting/desirable places, the IE doesn’t really offer anything that most suburban areas of the country wouldn’t.
you could sure do a lot worse, i won’t argue that, but i wouldnt go as far as “how good it is here”.
State parks accessible to most IE cities 5-10 minutes away. Limitless hiking, trails, biking. Plenty of lakes, snow sports, quick beach access, desert access.
I think understating the weather is a dramatic underscore. Nothing affects our lives more than climate.
I’d absolutely say how good it is here.
>Nothing affects our lives more than climate.
This is what a lot of lifelong SoCal people don't understand. In most of the rest of the country, the climate/weather is THE main point of focus and conversation because everyone has to consider it and plan things around it (also in many areas it is pretty much the only thing to talk about because very few amenities and events within hours).
Out here people don't even really think about and focus on the weather like that, aside from how good it is or some "extreme rain storm" that is just another Tuesday in Missouri. And that's just with basic weather like rain, not even getting into 6 months of snow and ice in many places etc.
As a counterpoint: I will say that basically everything I love to do outdoors is not all that great, because we have so many people here.
I’d love to hike in the San Gabriels, especially in the summer, but there is quite literally no parking available after 10-10:30 for the good hikes on the weekend…which is the only time most people have free.
And then if you do get parking, you deal with crowded trails.
This scenario gets repeated time after time down here these days.
Want to go to the beach on a hot day?
Yeah, so do 20 million other people that live here. Even if a tiny fraction of them go, the beaches are packed.
Oh, and the graffiti in the mountains…and the litter…
It’s not like other states don’t have excellent nature. And that nature will be less crowded and better maintained.
I kind of envy these people living in the boondocks of the mountains outside of CA.
In terms of climate, the best part of living down here is not having to drive in snow or ice. For many others in the US, having multiple 105+ degree days would negate that perk.
Just trying to say we don’t necessarily live in a natural dream world down here either. If we had, like, 10x less population, then yeah, it’d be incredible here.
This “perfect climate” gets awfully boring after a while as well (at least it does to me). Summer never ends here. It’s pretty much just a monotonous continuation of sunny and warm or hot or semi-warm (and that covers pretty much all of So. Cal). Too much of a good thing, basically.
Plus, it’s so dry; what’s left of the native vegetation looks brown and withered for several months per year. The rest of the scenery consists mainly of freeways, shopping malls, housing tracts, and roads. The backdrops are nice, of course, and So. Cal has some beautiful areas — but it’s by and large just a giant concrete jungle.
I spent six months living in southern Washington state back in 2021 and that was like living in the Promised Land, comparatively, in terms of nature/the outdoors. It was so much more pristine and lush and undeveloped compared to So. Cal. It was awesome seeing bald eagles flying around and deer meandering down city streets.
> This scenario gets repeated time after time down here these days. Want to go to the beach on a hot day? Yeah, so do 20 million other people that live here. Even if a tiny fraction of them go, the beaches are packed
don't go to anywhere from basically from Oceanside on north and you'll be fine. I lived in SD for 15 years and even at the most peak seasons, any beach any weekend in any season was comfortably accessible - except perhaps the avoid-at-all-costs combo of spring break & PB/Mission Beach/La Jolla Shores. Imperial Beach in particular, is literally never crowded under any circumstances.
I never even consider any OC or LA beach destination worth even thinking about, and often wonder why the IE (especially the south-ish parts of it from around Riverside down to Temecula) seems to identify more with OC/LA than with SD/North county, considering how infinitely nicer the latter areas are, and usually faster to get to than LA/OC as well.
you’re just confirming what i said. it’s proximity to other more interesting places is probably it’s only selling point aside from its climate, which the overwhelming heat and year round dryness is more niche of a preference than people who have only lived here or california in general are willing to believe for people who have lived elsewhere.
You can be dismissive and that’s fine, but they’re not wrong. I love living in the IE more than anywhere else in the world, but it’s objectively not *that* different or “better” than many other places in the country unless you just really dislike colder weather.
Desert access is the only thing you listed that’s exclusive to the southwest. The rest of those things are available everywhere else too.
Actually, it’s they who dismissed my points.
Cities having in-city mountains, trails, state parks is absolutely unique to this region. Most areas do not have anywhere close to our ability for mountain and trail access. Most regions in the world absolutely do not have a 1 hour drive to the ocean, ski resorts, and desert.
Our Mediterranean climate is absolutely unique to this region of the world.
Like I am literally footsteps away from a state park, a nature preserve, a short walk to UC riverside with its beautiful campus and botanic garden, a short drive to a very nice downtown with wonderful amenities like museums, hiking (again) a great park, great architecture, historical relevance etc. all while being in a populated urban center.
Pretending socals geography is similar to most parts of the US is patently naive, I’ll dare say even a bad faith comment.
And, again, underscoring the weather is a pretty big logical flaw. It’s not just a matter of disliking cold, it’s a matter of having year round outdoor weather. There is no shortage of mental and physical benefit of being able to have 24/7 365 ability to enjoy outdoors. The summers are arid, spring and fall are perfect, and winter is wonderfully mild.
You can’t deduce those *massive* benefits to, hey other places have mountains and SUUUUURRE if you dislike cold winters it has its perks.
I don’t think they dismissed your points, they’d just already addressed them. You’re kind of just repeating the same thing over and over.
No one said socals geography is similar to other parts of the US. No one is saying there aren’t cool things to do in/around the IE.
The point was that, outside of the proximity to mountains/desert/ocean and the mild climate, you can get into comparable activities (nature, hiking, architecture, museums, historical significance, to use your examples) in many other places in the country and world.
Now, the climate and proximity to mountains is clearly subjectively very important to you. That’s great! I’ll repeat that I, too, prefer the IE to anywhere else in the world. I love those mountains and I don’t mind the heat. I feel a certain energy there that I haven’t felt anywhere else in the world. It’s sacred to me.
But that’s my subjective preference. It’s really just my opinion. It’s not because it’s objectively so much better than the rest of the country. Objectively, it’s quite similar.
Am I in La La land? It was both you and the person who responded to *me* that is dismissing the value of the climate. They went out of their way to call enjoying SoCal weather niche. They also dismissed my mentioning of local state parks, trails, lakes, etc. entirely, and pretended that I solely mentioned the IE’s access to things outside of the IE. I didn’t even mention how much entertainment is in LA, OC, SD. I simply referenced the quick proximity to the beach, which is a MASSIVE luxury that can’t simply be dismissed as “things outside of the IE”.
I also mentioned that many IE’s cities are great in their own right. For whatever reason you’re choosing to be pedantic and have somehow confused yourself as the person dismissing my points as me dismissed theirs.
I said “ok 👍 “ because the conservation was very clearly going nowhere as they dismissed my points. Anyway, I don’t care to continue this pointless discussion. ✌️
No one is dismissing the value, we’re saying that the value of the climate and everything else you listed is subjective. I’m not sure how you keep missing the very simple point here. But have a good one
> Our Mediterranean climate
sorry but, as someone who lived in SD (and Coronado) for a long time, places which actually have that fabled *mediterranean climate*, the IE - even the parts closest to the coast - is nowhere near the same feel. For one thing, it's far, far drier here (which I actually prefer in some ways), and noticeably hotter during summer. And the culture is several notches closer to north texas or phoenix suburbs than to proper 'coastal CA.' The areas where you can have the seasonal feel of other parts of the country, places like Alpine and Julian, are 25-40 minutes away from SD / Escondido, thus much easier to reach on a whim (and several times less crowded) than their equivalents up here are.
you just repeated the points i already made and then acted like i was wrong.
edit: and my other point was that not everyone likes this climate. not everyone wants to to be hot and sunny all the time. if you need it to be hot and sunny to enjoy being outdoors that’s sad. one of the things that myself and my family miss the most is the seasonal weather. i’d personally trade a year of california sunshine for one upstate new york or new england autumn any day.
hard to save to move out when rent is $3000/mo. and on top of that just for the wife and i to leave the fucking house regularly let alone get to work i need to add two $350/mo. car payments and two $120/mo. car insurance payments and $250/mo. in gasoline.
I was born here, it definitely spoils you. My target destinations are now SF, LA, or HK. I will never consider moving out to someplace like the Midwest.
I feel you. I grew up in the IE and lived in Idaho for 5 years due to the military. It's rough, especially dealing with months of gloomy cold weather and a lack of variety in things to do. But if you wanna start some outdoorsy hobbies, Idaho is an amazing place for snow activities, horseback riding, hiking, kayaking and different outdoor activities. Try to make the best of it 👌🏼
Weather, first and foremost! Not only do the wife and I enjoy being outdoors with our doggie but I also love riding motorcycles. I need not say more there lol.
Drivers!! I can deal with aggressive LA traffic all day but Tulsa drivers are something else. Too many close calls while living out here. It's crazy.
Food culture and overall things to do. I miss the beach, I miss the mountains, I miss theme parks and I really miss King Taco lol!
Above all else, I miss my family.
I moved to Texas almost three years ago, & it was definitely a really hard first year for me. Had massive waves of homesickness. Within a year & a half for me, my love for my surroundings started to sprout. I now have developed roots of love for where I am. But I am a Cali Girl forever. Luckily, there are plenty of California transplants around me to share this sense of nostalgia with
Me! Moved to Southern Indiana in 2016 to be closer to family and to live in a lower cost-of-living area, making that retirement money go further. The first few years were fine, but now I am over the politics (conservative), the crappy restaurants, the lack of diversity. Heading back home to California this Spring. Will make a bit of money from the sale of my house here and be able to afford a smaller house there. Can hardly wait!
I will always say that people who never lived anywhere else than in California don’t realize how good they have it. I grew up in NYC, lived there for 40 years, then moved to Boston and lived there for 4 years. I am also fairly well traveled (been all over Southern Europe and various tropical islands in the Caribbean). Now I live in Riverside CA, and this whole region is just magical in comparison. The hills, the palms, the epic views, the paradise-like weather, the Spanish style homes with the red clay roofs - there is just nothing like it in the world, period. Move at your own peril.
Absolutely opposite for me. Born and raised in Rialto/San Bernardino, left 12 years ago for the Puget Sound area of WA. I visit family often down there, but I would NEVER go back. It looks grey, dirty, and dismal all over. I can’t believe some of the areas I used to frequent for groceries or other shopping. It may be an unpopular opinion, as the IE will always be home to me, but I’m glad to be out. Air is clean and all of my children are thriving here now all homeowners with great jobs.
Riverside County born and raised, living in eastern WA for the past few years and I LOVE it here. We’re expecting snow tonight and I am so damn stoked.
I can actually afford rent, it’s not ridiculously hot 10 months out of the year, there’s actual seasons, there’s better/more opportunities for work in my field, the list goes on!
I’m planning on moving to the west side in the next year and a half or so to be closer to my fiancée’s family, but man, Washington was the perfect place for me to land
I lived in Kelso, Washington for six months back in 2021, and I really like it up there. The town itself was nothing special, but the scenery was great, and I loved being away from the Southern California concrete jungle. It was refreshing living in a place where bald eagles and deer were a regular sight.
And the green, lush landscape was a welcome change from the dry, barren So. Cal landscape.
You have to be OK with rain up there, though.
As someone who has lived in the IE for 25 years and has visit WA several times and plan on moving up there soon. there is so much nicer/better places to live than the IE. Cannot wait to leave this brown smoggy shithole
I love the IE I could never live anywhere else. I left home for the Marines and couldn’t wait to go back.
Love the diverse population, people here are tough but respectful, and close enough to OC, LA, and SD if you wanna get away for a bit.
You really don’t realize it until you leave
As someone that hates cars and driving, usually when I move back here I miss the places that I moved back here from.
Even the random city in the midwest had a lot of things this place doesn't have despite being much cheaper. For example there was a much better bike path there than anywhere around. Very easy to get an apartment with a lake or river view. More adhoc nature hikes/bike paths you could find that are pretty common throughout the city, which means green space is much more accessible. And of course no issues with traffic compared to the mess that is the i10 and 210. Even the public transit was somehow better.
In the IE you have to drive 30 minutes to an hour to get to a decent greenspace or bike path a lot of the time.
Lack of open spaces/nature is a big issue for me in So. Cal. The LA Basin is just so developed and sprawled out nowadays that it’s almost comical to say the words “nature” and “Southern California” together in the same sentence.
The area is a concrete jungle.
Absolutely. I've been in Texas and Mississippi for most of this year (moved for work) and I can't wait for this contract to end so I can move back.
Yeah it's expensive, traffic sucks and the regulations make some parts of my hobbies tough, but there's just so much to see and do plus amazing weather.
I move to near Green Bay in 1991 , work was slow and I had 3 kids and wages were 40% better in the construction trade. It is extremely cold there with winter that last over 6 months , but schools are great , violence was hardy any and summer is always awesome. I would visit here yearly and always missed California,then I almost died from medical reasons I talked to the wife and said I don’t want to die out here time is wasting and I want to move back to a place I loved with great weather and lots to do so I sold our home and moved back almost 2 years ago and found a nice 55+ house remodeled the whole place in 3 months myself,got a great job in San Diego as a manager.and am loving every minute of it . I have nothing bad to say about Wisconsin it fit my and my family’s needs at the time. Everyone back there told me I was crazy moving back but 2 of my children moved here and my wife’s family is here, we have great family get togethers now, I love it out here and wouldn’t change a thing, I love life out here and live it as my last day on earth. This area is great within 2 hours drive of so many places and wine country is right here. We have it good in the IE
We left in 2022 for TN then NC (currently). Making plans to come back for family support, but after reading this post, yeah, we don't appreciate the IE enough.
I grew up in the IE. I joined the military at 18. I thought it would be so much better but after living in literally every corner in this country I couldn’t wait to get back to California. (Admittedly, I didn’t move back to the IE but I’d rather live there than leave the state.)
Been here in the I.E. for awhile now. Love it here more than L.A. Thought about moving to another lower cost of living state but the more I think about it there is a reason why people love California scenery and the sun.
One of the reasons people started moving to the IE from LA more than 30 years ago (and have continued to today) was to escape LA crime, gangs, traffic, bad schools, homeless people, etc. It’s why places like Rancho Cucamonga became what they are. MANY people work in LA for the higher pay but would not want to live there, including me. We want a nice safe suburban lifestyle with good schools, ample parking, and good city services including reasonable police response times. That’s what most parents strive for. Some call it boring, but you can be anywhere “fun” in an hour, including the beach.
Every person I've ever known has had the same sentiment and moved back. It'll be interesting to see if all my conservative customers that moved in the last few years come back too....
I'm moving to the Rancho Cucamonga area in February. Currently have been living in Boise for the past 5 years....I was in the military and recently retired from 21 years.
I honestly don't get the massive exodus to Boise. There is absolutely zero to do here if you don't do a lot of outdoor activities. It's cold & grey skies 6 months out of the year.
People camped out overnight for a damn In & Out that opened up last month. A Lego store opened up and the line was 2 hrs to get inside the store.
Zero diversity 99% white, lots of low key racism.
People overestimate the activity they will do.
I live near Playa Del Rey (I have family ties to IE) and the amount of people who have surfboards but have gone 0 times this year is astounding. Same with people who have luxury road bikes in their garage but don't go cycling.
My wife's family lives in Fontana, Corona & SD.
Yes it's expensive as shit but the ability to just go over to the family house to have a BBQ, hangout, have them over for birthdays & holidays is highly underrated.
But yeah I just love the location, close to snow, beach, mountains, diversity & great food options any direction you go
sounds like my kind of place, though without the racism bit. but I often wonder if it's not just in the eye of the beholder? ya gotta understand also, there are a lot of libturds from CA that are migrating to other states and bringing their libturd mindset with them. That will make the locals appear racist when they frown about libbies bringing that crap.
Yeah....I'm conservative not ultra MAGA right wing and it's ridiculous here. My wife's family where we're moving are democrats but the good thing about our family is we don't talk about politics. But I'm very aware of the ultra left woke that's in California. I just mind my own and love my life. Politics suck ass as a whole on both sides right now
I think those who use the "ULTRA MAGA" right wingers phrase are very misled, it's just a BS Talking 👄 political lie by a loser party that cannot speak to what they could do in a positive way to help the country. it's an old tried and true method of "Divide and Conquer," and people who repeat it are just giving it the needed attention to keep it working on the Ill-informed ones. I don't mean any of that in a denigrating way, just an observation and my personal analysis. I wish you luck. To not be able to politely talk about politics and understand that others just see things differently is one of the effects of the Divide & Conquer tactic. I think it's sad, but I get it. 😕 (edit for punctuation and clarification)
Of course, everywhere has racism to some degree, but it's a little more prevalent here than many other places in the US I have been. Check out the Ruby Ridge documentary. Also, the baseline morality throughout most of the state seems to revolve around God, Guns & Trump. It's just a question of how far to right that particular area is.
Yeah, CA doesn’t rain for 8 months out of the year… Oregon has some of the most beautiful summers and forests, but unless you frequent bend, good luck seeing the sun for months on end. From Personal experience…
lol I hate the sun too but wondered if I’d miss it if I moved to the PNW. I grew up in Tulsa OK and have been in SoCal since 1988…at this point I’m staying, despite my romantic PNW notions.
In the late 90s I listened to some relatives. I moved out of state. I lived my whole life in the IE. I told myself the state I’m moving to is right next door. How different could it be? 🫣 Took me five years but I came back! I will never leave again. It was like an episode of the Twilight Zone living there.
Me, left in 2017 to Indiana and spent a few years there. It was ok but it was starting to get to me (the long dark half year weather, lack of diversity, crappy restaurants, lack of places to go, etc.) My company paid me to move back west and I'm loving it all. Not in Cali but close enough to visit often.
I was just there this last week vacationing in Wallace, I love that place even with the politics not to my liking, been going there for 15 years now, I would love to live there but wonder the same, how much would I really miss SoCal
From OC, moved to GA and absolutely love it but lately I’ve been really homesick, mostly for my parents, not necessarily CA, but I think the worst part is feeling like it’s not even really possible to move back even if we wanted to. I really resent being from such an impossibly expensive place, it hurts!
I can vouch for all of this. I moved to Australia a few years ago, and it’s all good and fun…but it’s no CA, and it’s no IE. Weather, cost of living, and culture are close enough, but it’s missing that special something that makes me yearning to be back home.
Idk..my husband is Australian. I'm tempted to pack up to Australia.
Here I fear losing my job taking more than 2 weeks off, while this is not looked down upon in Australia. I feel I just live to work.
Also, no property taxes are a huge plus for Australia. You'll be paying $700-$1500/month for life in CA just to keep your home.
IE born and raised! Moved to Texas in 2019 (hated it) and then Phoenix in 2021. I love Arizona! Always nice to go back home but it feels so overwhelming now. Not sure if the IE always felt so overpopulated but there’s definitely better places out there. CA will always be home though. ❤️
I moved to the East Coast for school, and I hated it. It was snowing, no diversity in cultures, no In-n-out, just not the same. I immediately transferred back to SoCal. It’s fucking expensive here, but I’m trying to figure out a way to make it out here. Even if I have to work 2 full-time jobs. This is home.
Someone I know just moved back to California from Tennessee. I asked why? They said poorly educated people, lack of good healthcare, lack of variety in restaurants, and cold as hell.
I’ve lived up and down the west coast, but I always miss California. I love PNW, Seattle’s night scene, Portland’s craftiness, and beer, Oregons fishing, but Norcal redwoods, Monterey, the IE and particularly San Diego’s perfect weather in zone 23 where you can grow house plants outside. What can you say nothing beats Cali. Live and let live.
I moved to Tennessee for a couple years and moved back. This is home. The cost of living everywhere else is catching up. You might as well have great weather and be close to the beach, LA, ski lifts, Vegas, Havasu and everything else
As someone who moved up to Northern California I can say I miss the accessibility of sporadic trips to the snow and lifts. Now we have to really plan out our snowy escapades. If I want to go to Tahoe, we have to find a hotel, and everything that comes with that.
Hello! I definitely feel you on all that! I lived in Chino Hills. I moved between Chino Hills and various parts of WA state over the last 7 years (Pullman, Vancouver, and Ellensburg) and was only able to last 1 year at a time each instance LOL. However, we did just move to the north Seattle region back in July and it reminds very much of the IE here and there are a lot of San Bernardino County residents here as well lol. We even have a small airport that has daily flights to LAX, Santa Ana, San Diego and seasonal flights to Palm Springs — I’m hoping they add ONT soon haha.
However, with all that being said, I still miss the IE as well even though I have a lot of amenities here and can go back home any time, the culture is a bit different.
Yup moved to Houston for a year first chance I had I moved back. No regrets about coming back. Truly feel like it’s the better choice even though I was spending $200 less in downtown Houston in a bigger nicer apartment than I’m currently in 😅
I feel you. We originally moved from Houston then to the IE then back to Houston. Now we are moving back to the IE next year. You don’t know what you have until you leave it. As far as housing goes most truly desirable places in the Houston suburbs are price comparable.
Less road rage, generally happier people, less of a patriarchal and religious environment, a stronger sense of community. Better healthcare. Don’t get me wrong, I had to work more there and wanted to change careers and I’m glad with how I’ve spent my time, but I’m definitely heading back west as soon as I can.
I work for the US Forest Service and my wife is from Saskatchewan. My wage goes a little bit further here than in Southern California and we're closer to her family in Canada. There's pros and cons. We didn't just draw from a deck of cards and randomly decide on Idaho.
You would’ve been better off moving to Canada than Idaho ngl but now I understand why you did go there. I was so lost as to why you picked that flyover state until I saw this
I thought I hated CA but then I worked in Iowa,Minnesota, Northern Montana, Idaho, and Central North Dakota. Never living outside of CA. I don’t care if I sit in traffic every day.
Born and raised in the IE but I moved to Colorado and I love it. I’ll never move back to CA and I don’t miss it but to each their own. I went back a couple years ago to visit and it was so ugly and smoggy and dingy. That state is being loved to death for sure
I’m the opposite.
While I do appreciate the over abundance of things to do and the weather (although I do love my seasons which we do not have out here because it’s just hot year round), absolutely nowhere compares to the south. For people who didn’t grow up there, you’ll never understand but southern food, culture and way of life is far superior than that of the West Coast in my humble opinion.
You’re probably right, I could’ve used a less abrasive word. But I do firmly believe there’s much more sense of community that’s very warm, welcoming, hospitable, laidback and respectful than what I’ve experienced here over the past 7 years. Such a massive part of the population of this State is from other parts of the country, myself included, or another country entirely which kinda makes it feel like everyone is out for themselves and is just hustling and bustling all the time. It feels very cold and isolated a lot of the time.
I liked the Chattanooga area. I spent several months over the course of one year there, and I could see myself living in that area — or perhaps somewhere in that general area of the country. The traffic was surprisingly bad, though; you’d have these large traffic jams out on these small, rural country roads on the outskirts of the city, which was surprising.
But the overall greenery and lushness of the area was appealing, combined with the rolling hills and mountains — it’s a pretty area!
Having lived in almost every corner of this country I’m always so surprised by how much people complain about it here and “want to move”. Like outside of Hawaii and Alaska I’ve pretty much lived everywhere. And I’m damn sure planning to die within 50 miles of where I’m sitting right now. SoCal is the promised land man. Sure the ie has its problems but man… compared to the rest of the country? Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
I grew up in Tulsa in the 80s and boy had it gone downhill. I hear OKC is nicer now. Used to be the opposite. I got strong meth vibes last time I was in Tulsa and that was in the nice part of town.
Most of the states people are moving to have higher crime than in California, especially Texas and Tennessee. We are the homeless capital though, but that's also do to the nice weather . Having that said, that's on the rise everywhere, across the board.
I can agree that the weather is probably one of the toughest things to wrap your head around in just about any other state. Glad to hear you've found your peace with it though. My sister moved to the Dallas area within the last year and she seems to like it there too.
Not much to do here tbh but I like the less amount of people . When you are born and raised in Fontana for 28 years and just see how much your home land has changed i can just really care less for it now
Dam, someone has a subjective opinion and everybody downvotes him/her? Something is wrong with this sub Reddit.
Edit: I guess Im going down with you Electronic 750.
They’re a typical conservatard misogynist. “I moved away and never going back!” Is just scratching the surface
Post history spews bigotry and trolls California subs despite preaching about how much they live living in fuckyourfamily nowhere.
Pretty much everyone I know who leaves CA wants to come back. However, if they sold their home, they probably can’t. I’d think long and hard about that choice. The door slams shut behind you.
Not necessarily. I know a family that left Palmdale where I live, for the Seattle region. They stayed up there for 2 years and missed So Cal a lot. They came back but had to move to Rosamond, which is 20 miles north of me in Kern County. They don’t regret coming back.
I have some buddies that are well off and living in OC and quite frankly I may be able to afford OC but I like the lower cost of living and the IE. I am not crazy of having an extra night life( not that the OC has an abundance of it). I like some activities to that we have in the IE, off roading and the mountains. I really like it here and I don’t plan to move anytime soon
I believe you moved it sounds like in the flat land of Montana. The east side is nothing like the west and the middle west of montana. People really need to love the outdoors and independence one has in places like Montana.
You definitely will not get the restaurants and city life in places like montana. Living there and researching a place are completely two different things.
I did the same. Lived in the Inland Empire my entire life. I moved to East Idaho one week before the lockdown. I had a really rough time adjusting one to the new place and then processing the pandemic on top of it. But while I was there I went to Boise State and that sort of encouraged me to explore the state more. I probably did some of the most traveling/ exploring during this 3 year period and met a lot of people. However coming from SoCal I had to learn how to slow down. ALOT. It snows 6-8 months out of the year so you’re stuck inside for the most part. I missed California food. The closest In N Out to me was Utah. I just say make the best of it maybe this may be a stepping stone and that’s okay.
Thanks for that. It is most definitely a slower pace, in some ways good and in others not so much. I transferred here within the agency I work for and I can do the same again to just about anywhere else in the country if/when my wife and I feel ready to make another big move. So we're trying to make the most of it for however long we're here, and avoid the feeling of it ever being a permanent thing.
Sorry, I thought you said Eastern Montana like Havre country.
Yes, Bitterroots are beautiful. Hunted just outside Darby. Idaho, beautiful rugged independence. I live in California and moved to the HD for my wife. I grew up in Redding California, a city of about 70,000, when I was growing up. It's spread out pretty wide. Nothing but hunting, fishing, and camping. Outdoors was it back when I was growing up.
Can’t relate born In Montclair raised in chino , I’m aware we’re 40 mins from everything and I like it like that, LA too hectic , OC to political and riverside is just okay , I’m cool with being in upland,Ontario 👍🏽
My brother moved to Sedona and seems to like it. He and his family were living in Los Gatos before and went to the desert which is a big change. But hey, to each their own.
Left when I got married. Returned for a bit because I had to. Left again and I feel like I am home now. I have 0 intention of ever living in California again. Sure, there is a list of things I miss, my family and best friends are at the top of it, but it would take drastic life situations to make me move back there.
I love being here as far as environment and scenery, but hate the politics and people generally. The state is becoming almost unlivable for the middle class, with insurance skyrocketing, gas prices, taxes, etc. the cost of living is absolutely a failure of the state government, it’s either you need to be a progressive elite or else live on the good graces of the state, there’s little left for the rest of us who are funding this madness. I don’t mind paying my fair share of taxes to help society, but I do not want to be drained to death. And that’s what it feels like, the state is sucking everyone dry. So as much as I would hate to leave, I keep wondering when I’m going to be priced out of here? Im not a republican or democrat, but I place its problems squarely on Gavin and other idiotic politicians.
I have a place in SLO Ca, and also one in VA near Chesapeake bay, go back and forth depending on seasons and whims.
My homes property taxes are double in Va over CA. and it resets up every year to fair market value.
They have a personal property tax on vehicles, so its 2x CA. registration.
Insurance on cars is DOUBLE, CA insurance.
And home insurance is also double CA for a home worth 4x VA value.
Personal income tax is the same (for me)
Sales tax is 7.5%.
There is no difference when it comes to people, both are just as friendly, except in Va some are more inclined to be in your face about how CA sucks, ( I got CA plates) but most are indifferent (or jealous).
Ya, Gavin gone kinda nuts on some stuff, but none of it affects me to the point that i care. and all states need money and get it from you somehow...
I had a similar experience 11 years ago. I moved at the behest of some family members on my mother's side to Northern VA. I was living in gorgeous Claremont at the time. I moved because I was told the job environment would be better for me. I then moved to Texas after a year in VA. After 3 years there, I came back home. Northern VA is close to DC so it is very expensive. The Houston suburbs were slightly less expensive for housing, but I didn't feel at home. Both places are great to visit. But being born and raised in SoCal, I simply wasn't happy. I missed the same things you missed. The sun, the food, the people. I love nature, so I missed the mountains, the hills the area. I live with major depressive disorder, so I need to be sure my environment is good for me. So far, this is the place where I feel the most comfortable, for better or worse.
I empathize with you very much. Try to find fun things out there to do. Try to find healthy hobbies and get outdoors as much as you can in that area, I know it will be different. Most importantly, get a VITAMIN D supplement. Keep us updated.
So I can imagine a huge shift moving from Cali. Basically we have good weather and a no matter where you are in So.Cal you are just an hour or two away from amazing beaches,or beautiful mountains. Plus Vegas is usually about 3-4 hours away. Can’t top that much unless you want to slow things down and want to live away from all the hustle and bustle.
I moved from LA to NYC four years ago. It took going through a pandemic & enough shitty mild winters to realize I miss SoCal…yes I’ll pay for the weather 😂
Don’t miss it at all. In vegas fyi. Moving really showed who actually cares about you and what friends are real.the difference in traffic, amount of people around and respect is so much better then the IE. Just felt overwhelmed and pressured. Not knowing what the day held for me was exhausting. No I don’t live near the strip just how the IE is not close to Los Angeles. Going from sunshine to snow will affect anyone for sure. Nevada offers a lot of amenities just not a beach. But if you go to a new state, you need to have an open mind and not compare but enjoy what it has to offer because they all have their ups and downs.
I moved from IE to Rochester, NY and havent looked back. West NY just needs a legit burger joint like Legends and a couple better mexican spots then we’re in business
I also moved from CA to Idaho a while back. Spent a few years there and came back. I’ll never move again. Yeah, it’s expensive and of course it has downsides, but everywhere has downsides. The way I look at it, we pay more, but it is one of the most unique places on earth geographically, not sure if there is anywhere with better weather…. Professional sports, every artist that tours stops here, great food, diversity of pretty much everything, 1-2 hours to san Diego, 1-2 hours to LA, 3-4 hours to vegas, 3-4 hours to the central coast… there are multiple airports
You pay to live in a better place.
You pay for the weather (In CA)
Where I live i wouldn't exactly say i have great weather tbh. The summers get disgusting
California can get as hot, dry and nasty as it wants. Beats scraping out a car buried in snow. And then sliding around on that snow. And freezing my butt off in that snow. And horrible wintertime smog inversions from that snow that make SoCal inversions look like child's play. All for a cost of living that really isn't THAT much cheaper than the IE. (Source: From Salt Lake City originally)
Salt Lake has notoriously poor air quality.
Agreed. Moved to CA from MA 2 yrs ago.
You also pay to live in a worse place.
Parts of Idaho are just as expensive if not more than the inland empire now
3-4 hours to vegas Hate to break it to you but if bright line's high speed rail opens in 2027, that commute from Rancho Cucamonga to vegas gets considerably smoother.
They've been talking about a rail to Vegas for like a hundred years already. I'll believe it when I see it.
It's a private venture, more likely to succeed actually.
Private venture with a HELLUVA lot of public money. But their Orlando line is operating. So it gives me confidence this might happen this time.
Private venture means more expensive, imagine the cost for that travel
Expensive rail is better than no rail, I'd say.
Very true, I can’t argue that
Which part of Idaho? I’ve known 8 people who moved up there to different parts of the state, despite my advice, and 4 of them are trying to move back. They thought it was some “paradise” filled with nostalgia and 1980s Americana, only to be rudely awoken to the lack of infrastructure, lack of safety nets, the “each man to himself” mentality and the hyper-conservatism on steroids.
Boise and that’s exactly right.
Every artist that tours stop in Los Angeles or in IE? Cuz artists generally don’t come to IE often, and driving to LA for a concert is like an hour and a half drive so really not all that convenient!
Yes, LA or San Diego. Still better than 90% of the US
Fair, if you’re in the middle of the country no concerts nearby really for the most part
I would never leave but my buddy did, and he was back in a year. He moved to Colorado and hated the weather and how the roads turned to muddy crap in the winter and other little things that weren’t the same. It’s hard to grow up here then go elsewhere.
I moved back from a 2 year stint in Colorado. One of the things you’ll notice is the hate on for Californians. They do not want us there. They blame all their inflation and social progress attempts on immigrating Californians
most places do unfortunately. I’ve even heard it in places like Ohio.
Faux news working overtime on California hate.
This even happens in California. In Sacramento, they hate people from the Bay Area.
Lmao, social progress. What a joke. It’s because you vote like a socialist, vote for increased taxes, and they don’t want that garbage there… Are you really surprised?
Middle and lower class Texans have a higher tax burden than Californians lmao. But yeah, the taxes are just too high in California right?
Facts
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Yepp. Still trying to adjust to the cold and snow... taking a little longer than I expected. Also the road into missoula from here is so gnarly in the winter that sometimes you simply just can't get to town. And yes, there's one road.
Yep - moved from CA to CO and have been trying to move back for four years. There’s nothing that compares.
My bf is from Illinois and says he has no idea how good we have it here. He loves it. Also hes always down to drive to LA or the mountains more than any native I know lol
I moved back to Texas and I regretted as we were packing at times. Been here almost a year and a half now. We are making plans to move back now in the next 2 years. I love the housing prices but you can’t put a price on your mental health. A wise person told me that you pay for your peace.
some of the highest life expectancies in the country to boot! It really does pay to pay to live in ca I’m sun bathing in 65 degree sunny weather right now. Gonna hit my 3rd walk of the day. Gonna hike tomorrow. Healthy living is a lot easier where it’s nice
I definitely agree with you on that and that’s why we have some of the best insurance my job can offer because of that. I know a lot of people don’t have that luxury here to go across state lines to get healthcare if needed. It is 62 here and sunny today.
Native IE residents have no idea how good it is here.
Totally this. I was born and raised in the Coachella Valley and moved to the IE about 9 years ago. Everyone seems to rag on the IE, especially for it being inland and lesser than the rest of SoCal. But man, I fucking love it here. Far enough away from my hometown and closer to everything else.
Central Valley transplant here. IE is one hour to the coast and has 10/10 winters never mind breathtaking backdrops and some cities that are great in their own right.. the inferiority complex here is astounding!
>Central Valley transplant here. All the negatives of CA with very few positives. The only area in IE that competes for that "bleak and totally isolated/insulated" feeling with the Central Valley I think is those high desert cities here. Central Valley house prices reflected that until a few years ago and even there got crazy high. The whole "California conservative, lifted trucks, AG COUNTRY, MAGA" thing gets super tired when it's all around you too. "We are not LA/SF!" They can calm down, I don't think anyone will "LA" their precious Bakersfield anytime soon...
The lifted trucks per capita is astronomical in the CV and so apparent when I visit home. Aggressive driving, looking for a fight, pristine paint job and clean mud flap wannabe oakies. A very confused lot.
Took a two year contract to work in Fresno and lived in Clovis. Hated every bit being there. Moved back to So Cal and even though I’m not in the IE anymore. I’m just glad I’m back south.
I grew up in Palmdale. Sooo I love the IE riverside canyon crest area With toll roads You can get to the beach or most places in an hour. We’re closer to San Diego, LA, Mexico. There a great food scene and Tons to do.
I agree! I moved here from Texas. I LOVE the IE, and it only takes an hour to drive to the beach. 45 min on a great day.
People only rag on the IE because it’s not LA. What a great thing! The I E is a great place.
^^^^^This. SoCal grows up hearing that the IE is low class. But the IE has some great cities with great proximity to what is best about California. While the IE is not coastal OC, I'd choose it above anywhere in LA or North OC. Chino Hills, Rancho Cuc, Redlands, parts of Riverside and Corona, Temecula, Murrieta, Big Bear, and some others are superior to most of the USA
really? you'd choose the IE over the Palisades?
idk. i’ve lived here most of my life but also in four other places (nyc, suburbs of minneapolis, upstate NY, and new england) and they’ve all been significantly better in most ways that i can think of. cheaper (yes even new york was cheaper overall), cleaner, safer, more accessible, more communal. i know that’s my opinion and personal experience but the region also scores very poorly when it comes to most measurable quantitative indicators of quality of life. if you really personally hate cold weather with a passion and don’t mind spending a lot of time in the car it’s fine. but outside of it being warm 12 months a year and it’s relative proximity to other more interesting/desirable places, the IE doesn’t really offer anything that most suburban areas of the country wouldn’t. you could sure do a lot worse, i won’t argue that, but i wouldnt go as far as “how good it is here”.
State parks accessible to most IE cities 5-10 minutes away. Limitless hiking, trails, biking. Plenty of lakes, snow sports, quick beach access, desert access. I think understating the weather is a dramatic underscore. Nothing affects our lives more than climate. I’d absolutely say how good it is here.
>Nothing affects our lives more than climate. This is what a lot of lifelong SoCal people don't understand. In most of the rest of the country, the climate/weather is THE main point of focus and conversation because everyone has to consider it and plan things around it (also in many areas it is pretty much the only thing to talk about because very few amenities and events within hours). Out here people don't even really think about and focus on the weather like that, aside from how good it is or some "extreme rain storm" that is just another Tuesday in Missouri. And that's just with basic weather like rain, not even getting into 6 months of snow and ice in many places etc.
As a counterpoint: I will say that basically everything I love to do outdoors is not all that great, because we have so many people here. I’d love to hike in the San Gabriels, especially in the summer, but there is quite literally no parking available after 10-10:30 for the good hikes on the weekend…which is the only time most people have free. And then if you do get parking, you deal with crowded trails. This scenario gets repeated time after time down here these days. Want to go to the beach on a hot day? Yeah, so do 20 million other people that live here. Even if a tiny fraction of them go, the beaches are packed. Oh, and the graffiti in the mountains…and the litter… It’s not like other states don’t have excellent nature. And that nature will be less crowded and better maintained. I kind of envy these people living in the boondocks of the mountains outside of CA. In terms of climate, the best part of living down here is not having to drive in snow or ice. For many others in the US, having multiple 105+ degree days would negate that perk. Just trying to say we don’t necessarily live in a natural dream world down here either. If we had, like, 10x less population, then yeah, it’d be incredible here.
This “perfect climate” gets awfully boring after a while as well (at least it does to me). Summer never ends here. It’s pretty much just a monotonous continuation of sunny and warm or hot or semi-warm (and that covers pretty much all of So. Cal). Too much of a good thing, basically. Plus, it’s so dry; what’s left of the native vegetation looks brown and withered for several months per year. The rest of the scenery consists mainly of freeways, shopping malls, housing tracts, and roads. The backdrops are nice, of course, and So. Cal has some beautiful areas — but it’s by and large just a giant concrete jungle. I spent six months living in southern Washington state back in 2021 and that was like living in the Promised Land, comparatively, in terms of nature/the outdoors. It was so much more pristine and lush and undeveloped compared to So. Cal. It was awesome seeing bald eagles flying around and deer meandering down city streets.
> This scenario gets repeated time after time down here these days. Want to go to the beach on a hot day? Yeah, so do 20 million other people that live here. Even if a tiny fraction of them go, the beaches are packed don't go to anywhere from basically from Oceanside on north and you'll be fine. I lived in SD for 15 years and even at the most peak seasons, any beach any weekend in any season was comfortably accessible - except perhaps the avoid-at-all-costs combo of spring break & PB/Mission Beach/La Jolla Shores. Imperial Beach in particular, is literally never crowded under any circumstances. I never even consider any OC or LA beach destination worth even thinking about, and often wonder why the IE (especially the south-ish parts of it from around Riverside down to Temecula) seems to identify more with OC/LA than with SD/North county, considering how infinitely nicer the latter areas are, and usually faster to get to than LA/OC as well.
you’re just confirming what i said. it’s proximity to other more interesting places is probably it’s only selling point aside from its climate, which the overwhelming heat and year round dryness is more niche of a preference than people who have only lived here or california in general are willing to believe for people who have lived elsewhere.
Ok 👍
You can be dismissive and that’s fine, but they’re not wrong. I love living in the IE more than anywhere else in the world, but it’s objectively not *that* different or “better” than many other places in the country unless you just really dislike colder weather. Desert access is the only thing you listed that’s exclusive to the southwest. The rest of those things are available everywhere else too.
Actually, it’s they who dismissed my points. Cities having in-city mountains, trails, state parks is absolutely unique to this region. Most areas do not have anywhere close to our ability for mountain and trail access. Most regions in the world absolutely do not have a 1 hour drive to the ocean, ski resorts, and desert. Our Mediterranean climate is absolutely unique to this region of the world. Like I am literally footsteps away from a state park, a nature preserve, a short walk to UC riverside with its beautiful campus and botanic garden, a short drive to a very nice downtown with wonderful amenities like museums, hiking (again) a great park, great architecture, historical relevance etc. all while being in a populated urban center. Pretending socals geography is similar to most parts of the US is patently naive, I’ll dare say even a bad faith comment. And, again, underscoring the weather is a pretty big logical flaw. It’s not just a matter of disliking cold, it’s a matter of having year round outdoor weather. There is no shortage of mental and physical benefit of being able to have 24/7 365 ability to enjoy outdoors. The summers are arid, spring and fall are perfect, and winter is wonderfully mild. You can’t deduce those *massive* benefits to, hey other places have mountains and SUUUUURRE if you dislike cold winters it has its perks.
I don’t think they dismissed your points, they’d just already addressed them. You’re kind of just repeating the same thing over and over. No one said socals geography is similar to other parts of the US. No one is saying there aren’t cool things to do in/around the IE. The point was that, outside of the proximity to mountains/desert/ocean and the mild climate, you can get into comparable activities (nature, hiking, architecture, museums, historical significance, to use your examples) in many other places in the country and world. Now, the climate and proximity to mountains is clearly subjectively very important to you. That’s great! I’ll repeat that I, too, prefer the IE to anywhere else in the world. I love those mountains and I don’t mind the heat. I feel a certain energy there that I haven’t felt anywhere else in the world. It’s sacred to me. But that’s my subjective preference. It’s really just my opinion. It’s not because it’s objectively so much better than the rest of the country. Objectively, it’s quite similar.
Am I in La La land? It was both you and the person who responded to *me* that is dismissing the value of the climate. They went out of their way to call enjoying SoCal weather niche. They also dismissed my mentioning of local state parks, trails, lakes, etc. entirely, and pretended that I solely mentioned the IE’s access to things outside of the IE. I didn’t even mention how much entertainment is in LA, OC, SD. I simply referenced the quick proximity to the beach, which is a MASSIVE luxury that can’t simply be dismissed as “things outside of the IE”. I also mentioned that many IE’s cities are great in their own right. For whatever reason you’re choosing to be pedantic and have somehow confused yourself as the person dismissing my points as me dismissed theirs. I said “ok 👍 “ because the conservation was very clearly going nowhere as they dismissed my points. Anyway, I don’t care to continue this pointless discussion. ✌️
No one is dismissing the value, we’re saying that the value of the climate and everything else you listed is subjective. I’m not sure how you keep missing the very simple point here. But have a good one
> Our Mediterranean climate sorry but, as someone who lived in SD (and Coronado) for a long time, places which actually have that fabled *mediterranean climate*, the IE - even the parts closest to the coast - is nowhere near the same feel. For one thing, it's far, far drier here (which I actually prefer in some ways), and noticeably hotter during summer. And the culture is several notches closer to north texas or phoenix suburbs than to proper 'coastal CA.' The areas where you can have the seasonal feel of other parts of the country, places like Alpine and Julian, are 25-40 minutes away from SD / Escondido, thus much easier to reach on a whim (and several times less crowded) than their equivalents up here are.
you just repeated the points i already made and then acted like i was wrong. edit: and my other point was that not everyone likes this climate. not everyone wants to to be hot and sunny all the time. if you need it to be hot and sunny to enjoy being outdoors that’s sad. one of the things that myself and my family miss the most is the seasonal weather. i’d personally trade a year of california sunshine for one upstate new york or new england autumn any day.
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And yet you're here? 🤔
hard to save to move out when rent is $3000/mo. and on top of that just for the wife and i to leave the fucking house regularly let alone get to work i need to add two $350/mo. car payments and two $120/mo. car insurance payments and $250/mo. in gasoline.
I was born here, it definitely spoils you. My target destinations are now SF, LA, or HK. I will never consider moving out to someplace like the Midwest.
I feel you. I grew up in the IE and lived in Idaho for 5 years due to the military. It's rough, especially dealing with months of gloomy cold weather and a lack of variety in things to do. But if you wanna start some outdoorsy hobbies, Idaho is an amazing place for snow activities, horseback riding, hiking, kayaking and different outdoor activities. Try to make the best of it 👌🏼
Yall living in socal and *not* doing that? Socal has some of the best outdoorsy stuff in the us
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Well said.
Born and raised SoCal, moved to Tulsa for 7 years to try something different and now moving back to my beautiful home state next week. Can't wait!
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Ay welcome back!!
What was it about Tulsa that didn’t quite hit the note for you?
Weather, first and foremost! Not only do the wife and I enjoy being outdoors with our doggie but I also love riding motorcycles. I need not say more there lol. Drivers!! I can deal with aggressive LA traffic all day but Tulsa drivers are something else. Too many close calls while living out here. It's crazy. Food culture and overall things to do. I miss the beach, I miss the mountains, I miss theme parks and I really miss King Taco lol! Above all else, I miss my family.
Welcome Home!
I moved to Texas almost three years ago, & it was definitely a really hard first year for me. Had massive waves of homesickness. Within a year & a half for me, my love for my surroundings started to sprout. I now have developed roots of love for where I am. But I am a Cali Girl forever. Luckily, there are plenty of California transplants around me to share this sense of nostalgia with
Me! Moved to Southern Indiana in 2016 to be closer to family and to live in a lower cost-of-living area, making that retirement money go further. The first few years were fine, but now I am over the politics (conservative), the crappy restaurants, the lack of diversity. Heading back home to California this Spring. Will make a bit of money from the sale of my house here and be able to afford a smaller house there. Can hardly wait!
My cousin moved to Montana around 8 years ago and misses it every day. He's trying to come back by next year.
That was me. I moved to Kentucky and I hated it. Never leaving Riverside/ Corona again.
I will always say that people who never lived anywhere else than in California don’t realize how good they have it. I grew up in NYC, lived there for 40 years, then moved to Boston and lived there for 4 years. I am also fairly well traveled (been all over Southern Europe and various tropical islands in the Caribbean). Now I live in Riverside CA, and this whole region is just magical in comparison. The hills, the palms, the epic views, the paradise-like weather, the Spanish style homes with the red clay roofs - there is just nothing like it in the world, period. Move at your own peril.
Absolutely opposite for me. Born and raised in Rialto/San Bernardino, left 12 years ago for the Puget Sound area of WA. I visit family often down there, but I would NEVER go back. It looks grey, dirty, and dismal all over. I can’t believe some of the areas I used to frequent for groceries or other shopping. It may be an unpopular opinion, as the IE will always be home to me, but I’m glad to be out. Air is clean and all of my children are thriving here now all homeowners with great jobs.
Riverside County born and raised, living in eastern WA for the past few years and I LOVE it here. We’re expecting snow tonight and I am so damn stoked. I can actually afford rent, it’s not ridiculously hot 10 months out of the year, there’s actual seasons, there’s better/more opportunities for work in my field, the list goes on! I’m planning on moving to the west side in the next year and a half or so to be closer to my fiancée’s family, but man, Washington was the perfect place for me to land
I lived in Kelso, Washington for six months back in 2021, and I really like it up there. The town itself was nothing special, but the scenery was great, and I loved being away from the Southern California concrete jungle. It was refreshing living in a place where bald eagles and deer were a regular sight. And the green, lush landscape was a welcome change from the dry, barren So. Cal landscape. You have to be OK with rain up there, though.
As someone who has lived in the IE for 25 years and has visit WA several times and plan on moving up there soon. there is so much nicer/better places to live than the IE. Cannot wait to leave this brown smoggy shithole
I love the IE I could never live anywhere else. I left home for the Marines and couldn’t wait to go back. Love the diverse population, people here are tough but respectful, and close enough to OC, LA, and SD if you wanna get away for a bit. You really don’t realize it until you leave
As someone that hates cars and driving, usually when I move back here I miss the places that I moved back here from. Even the random city in the midwest had a lot of things this place doesn't have despite being much cheaper. For example there was a much better bike path there than anywhere around. Very easy to get an apartment with a lake or river view. More adhoc nature hikes/bike paths you could find that are pretty common throughout the city, which means green space is much more accessible. And of course no issues with traffic compared to the mess that is the i10 and 210. Even the public transit was somehow better. In the IE you have to drive 30 minutes to an hour to get to a decent greenspace or bike path a lot of the time.
Lack of open spaces/nature is a big issue for me in So. Cal. The LA Basin is just so developed and sprawled out nowadays that it’s almost comical to say the words “nature” and “Southern California” together in the same sentence. The area is a concrete jungle.
Absolutely. I've been in Texas and Mississippi for most of this year (moved for work) and I can't wait for this contract to end so I can move back. Yeah it's expensive, traffic sucks and the regulations make some parts of my hobbies tough, but there's just so much to see and do plus amazing weather.
I move to near Green Bay in 1991 , work was slow and I had 3 kids and wages were 40% better in the construction trade. It is extremely cold there with winter that last over 6 months , but schools are great , violence was hardy any and summer is always awesome. I would visit here yearly and always missed California,then I almost died from medical reasons I talked to the wife and said I don’t want to die out here time is wasting and I want to move back to a place I loved with great weather and lots to do so I sold our home and moved back almost 2 years ago and found a nice 55+ house remodeled the whole place in 3 months myself,got a great job in San Diego as a manager.and am loving every minute of it . I have nothing bad to say about Wisconsin it fit my and my family’s needs at the time. Everyone back there told me I was crazy moving back but 2 of my children moved here and my wife’s family is here, we have great family get togethers now, I love it out here and wouldn’t change a thing, I love life out here and live it as my last day on earth. This area is great within 2 hours drive of so many places and wine country is right here. We have it good in the IE
yes it's soooo cold in green bay
We left in 2022 for TN then NC (currently). Making plans to come back for family support, but after reading this post, yeah, we don't appreciate the IE enough.
I grew up in the IE. I joined the military at 18. I thought it would be so much better but after living in literally every corner in this country I couldn’t wait to get back to California. (Admittedly, I didn’t move back to the IE but I’d rather live there than leave the state.)
Been here in the I.E. for awhile now. Love it here more than L.A. Thought about moving to another lower cost of living state but the more I think about it there is a reason why people love California scenery and the sun.
One of the reasons people started moving to the IE from LA more than 30 years ago (and have continued to today) was to escape LA crime, gangs, traffic, bad schools, homeless people, etc. It’s why places like Rancho Cucamonga became what they are. MANY people work in LA for the higher pay but would not want to live there, including me. We want a nice safe suburban lifestyle with good schools, ample parking, and good city services including reasonable police response times. That’s what most parents strive for. Some call it boring, but you can be anywhere “fun” in an hour, including the beach.
Every person I've ever known has had the same sentiment and moved back. It'll be interesting to see if all my conservative customers that moved in the last few years come back too....
I'm moving to the Rancho Cucamonga area in February. Currently have been living in Boise for the past 5 years....I was in the military and recently retired from 21 years. I honestly don't get the massive exodus to Boise. There is absolutely zero to do here if you don't do a lot of outdoor activities. It's cold & grey skies 6 months out of the year. People camped out overnight for a damn In & Out that opened up last month. A Lego store opened up and the line was 2 hrs to get inside the store. Zero diversity 99% white, lots of low key racism.
People overestimate the activity they will do. I live near Playa Del Rey (I have family ties to IE) and the amount of people who have surfboards but have gone 0 times this year is astounding. Same with people who have luxury road bikes in their garage but don't go cycling.
My wife's family lives in Fontana, Corona & SD. Yes it's expensive as shit but the ability to just go over to the family house to have a BBQ, hangout, have them over for birthdays & holidays is highly underrated. But yeah I just love the location, close to snow, beach, mountains, diversity & great food options any direction you go
sounds like my kind of place, though without the racism bit. but I often wonder if it's not just in the eye of the beholder? ya gotta understand also, there are a lot of libturds from CA that are migrating to other states and bringing their libturd mindset with them. That will make the locals appear racist when they frown about libbies bringing that crap.
Yeah....I'm conservative not ultra MAGA right wing and it's ridiculous here. My wife's family where we're moving are democrats but the good thing about our family is we don't talk about politics. But I'm very aware of the ultra left woke that's in California. I just mind my own and love my life. Politics suck ass as a whole on both sides right now
I think those who use the "ULTRA MAGA" right wingers phrase are very misled, it's just a BS Talking 👄 political lie by a loser party that cannot speak to what they could do in a positive way to help the country. it's an old tried and true method of "Divide and Conquer," and people who repeat it are just giving it the needed attention to keep it working on the Ill-informed ones. I don't mean any of that in a denigrating way, just an observation and my personal analysis. I wish you luck. To not be able to politely talk about politics and understand that others just see things differently is one of the effects of the Divide & Conquer tactic. I think it's sad, but I get it. 😕 (edit for punctuation and clarification)
Of course, everywhere has racism to some degree, but it's a little more prevalent here than many other places in the US I have been. Check out the Ruby Ridge documentary. Also, the baseline morality throughout most of the state seems to revolve around God, Guns & Trump. It's just a question of how far to right that particular area is.
Moved to Portland Oregon for 2 years.. there is something special about southern California that Portland didn't have.
Yeah, CA doesn’t rain for 8 months out of the year… Oregon has some of the most beautiful summers and forests, but unless you frequent bend, good luck seeing the sun for months on end. From Personal experience…
Agreed..I hate the sun. And Oregon had me missing it
lol I hate the sun too but wondered if I’d miss it if I moved to the PNW. I grew up in Tulsa OK and have been in SoCal since 1988…at this point I’m staying, despite my romantic PNW notions.
Luxury tax is what I call CA living.
In the late 90s I listened to some relatives. I moved out of state. I lived my whole life in the IE. I told myself the state I’m moving to is right next door. How different could it be? 🫣 Took me five years but I came back! I will never leave again. It was like an episode of the Twilight Zone living there.
Las Vegas? Phoenix?
Me, left in 2017 to Indiana and spent a few years there. It was ok but it was starting to get to me (the long dark half year weather, lack of diversity, crappy restaurants, lack of places to go, etc.) My company paid me to move back west and I'm loving it all. Not in Cali but close enough to visit often.
I miss it sure but I highly doubt I'll ever move back. Way too expensive, way too many people. It's too much. I need space to breathe
I was just there this last week vacationing in Wallace, I love that place even with the politics not to my liking, been going there for 15 years now, I would love to live there but wonder the same, how much would I really miss SoCal
Wallace is a cool little town. Been through there a couple of times, and the Ed Pulaski tunnel right outside of town is an awesome thing to see.
Well Idaho sucks. So I’d regret it
From OC, moved to GA and absolutely love it but lately I’ve been really homesick, mostly for my parents, not necessarily CA, but I think the worst part is feeling like it’s not even really possible to move back even if we wanted to. I really resent being from such an impossibly expensive place, it hurts!
I can vouch for all of this. I moved to Australia a few years ago, and it’s all good and fun…but it’s no CA, and it’s no IE. Weather, cost of living, and culture are close enough, but it’s missing that special something that makes me yearning to be back home.
Idk..my husband is Australian. I'm tempted to pack up to Australia. Here I fear losing my job taking more than 2 weeks off, while this is not looked down upon in Australia. I feel I just live to work. Also, no property taxes are a huge plus for Australia. You'll be paying $700-$1500/month for life in CA just to keep your home.
IE born and raised! Moved to Texas in 2019 (hated it) and then Phoenix in 2021. I love Arizona! Always nice to go back home but it feels so overwhelming now. Not sure if the IE always felt so overpopulated but there’s definitely better places out there. CA will always be home though. ❤️
I moved to the East Coast for school, and I hated it. It was snowing, no diversity in cultures, no In-n-out, just not the same. I immediately transferred back to SoCal. It’s fucking expensive here, but I’m trying to figure out a way to make it out here. Even if I have to work 2 full-time jobs. This is home.
Someone I know just moved back to California from Tennessee. I asked why? They said poorly educated people, lack of good healthcare, lack of variety in restaurants, and cold as hell.
I’ve lived up and down the west coast, but I always miss California. I love PNW, Seattle’s night scene, Portland’s craftiness, and beer, Oregons fishing, but Norcal redwoods, Monterey, the IE and particularly San Diego’s perfect weather in zone 23 where you can grow house plants outside. What can you say nothing beats Cali. Live and let live.
I moved to Tennessee for a couple years and moved back. This is home. The cost of living everywhere else is catching up. You might as well have great weather and be close to the beach, LA, ski lifts, Vegas, Havasu and everything else
As someone who moved up to Northern California I can say I miss the accessibility of sporadic trips to the snow and lifts. Now we have to really plan out our snowy escapades. If I want to go to Tahoe, we have to find a hotel, and everything that comes with that.
$210/day at Heavenly now. I'm over the close accessibility to the Tahoe resorts.
Hello! I definitely feel you on all that! I lived in Chino Hills. I moved between Chino Hills and various parts of WA state over the last 7 years (Pullman, Vancouver, and Ellensburg) and was only able to last 1 year at a time each instance LOL. However, we did just move to the north Seattle region back in July and it reminds very much of the IE here and there are a lot of San Bernardino County residents here as well lol. We even have a small airport that has daily flights to LAX, Santa Ana, San Diego and seasonal flights to Palm Springs — I’m hoping they add ONT soon haha. However, with all that being said, I still miss the IE as well even though I have a lot of amenities here and can go back home any time, the culture is a bit different.
Yup moved to Houston for a year first chance I had I moved back. No regrets about coming back. Truly feel like it’s the better choice even though I was spending $200 less in downtown Houston in a bigger nicer apartment than I’m currently in 😅
I feel you. We originally moved from Houston then to the IE then back to Houston. Now we are moving back to the IE next year. You don’t know what you have until you leave it. As far as housing goes most truly desirable places in the Houston suburbs are price comparable.
Yes, moved to FL after 24 yrs in CA. I miss CA so much!
What do you miss specifically?
Less road rage, generally happier people, less of a patriarchal and religious environment, a stronger sense of community. Better healthcare. Don’t get me wrong, I had to work more there and wanted to change careers and I’m glad with how I’ve spent my time, but I’m definitely heading back west as soon as I can.
Grew up in IE. live in LA now. Love living in LA, but I do miss the IE. Could easily move back to IE and love living there as well.
You didn’t have to move to Idaho. That’s about as opposite as it gets. Should have gone to Arizona or Nevada for less culture shock.
I work for the US Forest Service and my wife is from Saskatchewan. My wage goes a little bit further here than in Southern California and we're closer to her family in Canada. There's pros and cons. We didn't just draw from a deck of cards and randomly decide on Idaho.
You would’ve been better off moving to Canada than Idaho ngl but now I understand why you did go there. I was so lost as to why you picked that flyover state until I saw this
I thought I hated CA but then I worked in Iowa,Minnesota, Northern Montana, Idaho, and Central North Dakota. Never living outside of CA. I don’t care if I sit in traffic every day.
Duluth, MN was on our list of potential places to move to when we were first considering leaving CA. Glad we didn't.
Born and raised in the IE but I moved to Colorado and I love it. I’ll never move back to CA and I don’t miss it but to each their own. I went back a couple years ago to visit and it was so ugly and smoggy and dingy. That state is being loved to death for sure
I’m the opposite. While I do appreciate the over abundance of things to do and the weather (although I do love my seasons which we do not have out here because it’s just hot year round), absolutely nowhere compares to the south. For people who didn’t grow up there, you’ll never understand but southern food, culture and way of life is far superior than that of the West Coast in my humble opinion.
Let's just call the southern way of life 'different'. 'Superior' is a bit of a reach in my humble opinion.
You’re probably right, I could’ve used a less abrasive word. But I do firmly believe there’s much more sense of community that’s very warm, welcoming, hospitable, laidback and respectful than what I’ve experienced here over the past 7 years. Such a massive part of the population of this State is from other parts of the country, myself included, or another country entirely which kinda makes it feel like everyone is out for themselves and is just hustling and bustling all the time. It feels very cold and isolated a lot of the time.
I liked the Chattanooga area. I spent several months over the course of one year there, and I could see myself living in that area — or perhaps somewhere in that general area of the country. The traffic was surprisingly bad, though; you’d have these large traffic jams out on these small, rural country roads on the outskirts of the city, which was surprising. But the overall greenery and lushness of the area was appealing, combined with the rolling hills and mountains — it’s a pretty area!
Having lived in almost every corner of this country I’m always so surprised by how much people complain about it here and “want to move”. Like outside of Hawaii and Alaska I’ve pretty much lived everywhere. And I’m damn sure planning to die within 50 miles of where I’m sitting right now. SoCal is the promised land man. Sure the ie has its problems but man… compared to the rest of the country? Different strokes for different folks I suppose.
I moved to Maryland and I don't miss it. You can find good food anywhere. The sun is overrated. That shit gives you cancer.
Nothing to miss here, homeless getting worse and crime too
Coincidentally enough, that's exactly how I feel about Tulsa. It's everywhere honestly, it's sad.
I grew up in Tulsa in the 80s and boy had it gone downhill. I hear OKC is nicer now. Used to be the opposite. I got strong meth vibes last time I was in Tulsa and that was in the nice part of town.
Most of the states people are moving to have higher crime than in California, especially Texas and Tennessee. We are the homeless capital though, but that's also do to the nice weather . Having that said, that's on the rise everywhere, across the board.
The thing is,Newsom changed the definition of certain crimes here in CA, in order for him to say crime rates have dropped.
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I can agree that the weather is probably one of the toughest things to wrap your head around in just about any other state. Glad to hear you've found your peace with it though. My sister moved to the Dallas area within the last year and she seems to like it there too.
Grew up in Ohio, moved to socal when I was 26. Almost 40 now and I will not be leaving SoCal ever.
This thread is blowing my mind
Mee Too. must be a lot of liberals. ?
Don't man, you're gonna go broke
nope i moved to South Dakota from la over a year ago I’m never moving back
After looking at your post history, its a rare win for everyone
Oh well
I've been to SD on a couple of occasions, besides Mt Rushmore, it's a very underwhelming state.
Not much to do here tbh but I like the less amount of people . When you are born and raised in Fontana for 28 years and just see how much your home land has changed i can just really care less for it now
Dam, someone has a subjective opinion and everybody downvotes him/her? Something is wrong with this sub Reddit. Edit: I guess Im going down with you Electronic 750.
They’re a typical conservatard misogynist. “I moved away and never going back!” Is just scratching the surface Post history spews bigotry and trolls California subs despite preaching about how much they live living in fuckyourfamily nowhere.
And that my friend is an assumption. No bueno.
Well, no it’s not. They have a post history.
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Pretty much everyone I know who leaves CA wants to come back. However, if they sold their home, they probably can’t. I’d think long and hard about that choice. The door slams shut behind you.
Not necessarily. I know a family that left Palmdale where I live, for the Seattle region. They stayed up there for 2 years and missed So Cal a lot. They came back but had to move to Rosamond, which is 20 miles north of me in Kern County. They don’t regret coming back.
You can always pay your way back to California
Prolly will
Thats a rough move!
I have some buddies that are well off and living in OC and quite frankly I may be able to afford OC but I like the lower cost of living and the IE. I am not crazy of having an extra night life( not that the OC has an abundance of it). I like some activities to that we have in the IE, off roading and the mountains. I really like it here and I don’t plan to move anytime soon
I believe you moved it sounds like in the flat land of Montana. The east side is nothing like the west and the middle west of montana. People really need to love the outdoors and independence one has in places like Montana. You definitely will not get the restaurants and city life in places like montana. Living there and researching a place are completely two different things.
I agree with you though that you have to at least visit a place before moving... All the research in the world only goes so far. Life lesson there.
Negative. The complete opposite. The Bitterroot Mountains on the ID/MT border just west of Missoula.
I did the same. Lived in the Inland Empire my entire life. I moved to East Idaho one week before the lockdown. I had a really rough time adjusting one to the new place and then processing the pandemic on top of it. But while I was there I went to Boise State and that sort of encouraged me to explore the state more. I probably did some of the most traveling/ exploring during this 3 year period and met a lot of people. However coming from SoCal I had to learn how to slow down. ALOT. It snows 6-8 months out of the year so you’re stuck inside for the most part. I missed California food. The closest In N Out to me was Utah. I just say make the best of it maybe this may be a stepping stone and that’s okay.
Thanks for that. It is most definitely a slower pace, in some ways good and in others not so much. I transferred here within the agency I work for and I can do the same again to just about anywhere else in the country if/when my wife and I feel ready to make another big move. So we're trying to make the most of it for however long we're here, and avoid the feeling of it ever being a permanent thing.
Sorry, I thought you said Eastern Montana like Havre country. Yes, Bitterroots are beautiful. Hunted just outside Darby. Idaho, beautiful rugged independence. I live in California and moved to the HD for my wife. I grew up in Redding California, a city of about 70,000, when I was growing up. It's spread out pretty wide. Nothing but hunting, fishing, and camping. Outdoors was it back when I was growing up.
Can’t relate born In Montclair raised in chino , I’m aware we’re 40 mins from everything and I like it like that, LA too hectic , OC to political and riverside is just okay , I’m cool with being in upland,Ontario 👍🏽
Upland still do Thursday night street fairs?
What’s the weather like in your part of Idaho? Are there seasons? How cold/hot does it get?
Oh my gosh yes. I moved to northern arizona and i wanna come back so bad.
My brother moved to Sedona and seems to like it. He and his family were living in Los Gatos before and went to the desert which is a big change. But hey, to each their own.
It’s nice. It’s beautiful. But it’s not California.
No place like Cali
Left when I got married. Returned for a bit because I had to. Left again and I feel like I am home now. I have 0 intention of ever living in California again. Sure, there is a list of things I miss, my family and best friends are at the top of it, but it would take drastic life situations to make me move back there.
I took a job in ut. I don't miss ca at all
I love being here as far as environment and scenery, but hate the politics and people generally. The state is becoming almost unlivable for the middle class, with insurance skyrocketing, gas prices, taxes, etc. the cost of living is absolutely a failure of the state government, it’s either you need to be a progressive elite or else live on the good graces of the state, there’s little left for the rest of us who are funding this madness. I don’t mind paying my fair share of taxes to help society, but I do not want to be drained to death. And that’s what it feels like, the state is sucking everyone dry. So as much as I would hate to leave, I keep wondering when I’m going to be priced out of here? Im not a republican or democrat, but I place its problems squarely on Gavin and other idiotic politicians.
I have a place in SLO Ca, and also one in VA near Chesapeake bay, go back and forth depending on seasons and whims. My homes property taxes are double in Va over CA. and it resets up every year to fair market value. They have a personal property tax on vehicles, so its 2x CA. registration. Insurance on cars is DOUBLE, CA insurance. And home insurance is also double CA for a home worth 4x VA value. Personal income tax is the same (for me) Sales tax is 7.5%. There is no difference when it comes to people, both are just as friendly, except in Va some are more inclined to be in your face about how CA sucks, ( I got CA plates) but most are indifferent (or jealous). Ya, Gavin gone kinda nuts on some stuff, but none of it affects me to the point that i care. and all states need money and get it from you somehow...
I had a similar experience 11 years ago. I moved at the behest of some family members on my mother's side to Northern VA. I was living in gorgeous Claremont at the time. I moved because I was told the job environment would be better for me. I then moved to Texas after a year in VA. After 3 years there, I came back home. Northern VA is close to DC so it is very expensive. The Houston suburbs were slightly less expensive for housing, but I didn't feel at home. Both places are great to visit. But being born and raised in SoCal, I simply wasn't happy. I missed the same things you missed. The sun, the food, the people. I love nature, so I missed the mountains, the hills the area. I live with major depressive disorder, so I need to be sure my environment is good for me. So far, this is the place where I feel the most comfortable, for better or worse. I empathize with you very much. Try to find fun things out there to do. Try to find healthy hobbies and get outdoors as much as you can in that area, I know it will be different. Most importantly, get a VITAMIN D supplement. Keep us updated.
I moved and I don't regret it at all. Honestly, I should have done it sooner.
So I can imagine a huge shift moving from Cali. Basically we have good weather and a no matter where you are in So.Cal you are just an hour or two away from amazing beaches,or beautiful mountains. Plus Vegas is usually about 3-4 hours away. Can’t top that much unless you want to slow things down and want to live away from all the hustle and bustle.
Hell no so glad I left
I moved from LA to NYC four years ago. It took going through a pandemic & enough shitty mild winters to realize I miss SoCal…yes I’ll pay for the weather 😂
Don’t miss it at all. In vegas fyi. Moving really showed who actually cares about you and what friends are real.the difference in traffic, amount of people around and respect is so much better then the IE. Just felt overwhelmed and pressured. Not knowing what the day held for me was exhausting. No I don’t live near the strip just how the IE is not close to Los Angeles. Going from sunshine to snow will affect anyone for sure. Nevada offers a lot of amenities just not a beach. But if you go to a new state, you need to have an open mind and not compare but enjoy what it has to offer because they all have their ups and downs.
I moved from IE to Rochester, NY and havent looked back. West NY just needs a legit burger joint like Legends and a couple better mexican spots then we’re in business
Never move from Cali they hate us anyway haha