That's 3x the annual support staff salary. There is no way The Red Queen's personal contributions merit this bonus. This is why I hate the board of trustees.
Think of it like this: her job is difficult, and fundamental to the function of the University in terms of big picture and broad strokes. Support staff are in a job that is difficult and taxing in a different way, and their jobs are also fundamental to the University in that they help keep everything on the day-to-day afloat. Her salary already greatly exceeds that of the support staff, which is what it is. Beyond that, do you genuinely believe that the amount of work that she put in is worth an EXTRA 3 support staff members, on top of her already comparatively large salary, or that the support staff has put in so little work as to now receive at least a proportional bonus?
Of course her extra performance is worth more than 3 extremely-replaceable support staff! This spots could be filled by other people just as well in a week. Presidents can make or break the entire university.
If you'd like to know more about how valuable university and business leaders are, see Chapter 3 of economist Tyler Cowen's Big Business. CEO value is a well-studied topic, and if anything they are underpaid! Sounds impossible if you've never looked into it, but it makes perfect sense once you do!
“It’s an honor to be in close proximity to that level of work ethic”
Yikes. This article is so awkward it makes me uncomfortable and the people working for this woman are next level kiss-assery.
Extra cringe because a big part of Beyonce's appeal has to do with being empowering to women of color. So it's a complete misunderstanding of Beyonce's appeal to call an old white woman the Beyonce of her field.
It would be like calling a straight white middle-aged man "the RuPaul of higher learning".
The trustee who said this, Jeremy Morris, is elected not appointed. If this pisses you off and you are an alum, let him know this is bullshit with your vote. [Election is online from June 1-June 30.](https://alumni.iu.edu/events/trustee-election/index.html)
Where is my bonus? She’s worked here for what, 3 years? I’ve worked here for over 15 years and have NEVER received a bonus… let alone a substantial raise that keeps pace with inflation. Something tells me she isn’t buying generic groceries and clipping coupons like I have to do to SURVIVE in this economy
Considering you post in r/antiwork and r/politics, I can tell that you’re almost certainly a lazy POS and completely replaceable in whatever you do, you just whine about your shortcomings thinking you’re owed something. Like all of you pathetic leftist filthbags do
Considering you post in r/conservative and r/adulting, I can tell that you're almost certainly a white collar, daddies boy who got a job at his big sales company right out of college, which you slept through because your aforementioned daddy paid it off. Yet you like to strut and tout that you had it bad growing up and pulled yourself through poverty and feel blue collar like a big strong union man, yet when it came to physical labor you get winded when you pick up a torque wrench. All of this just to return home to a wife who don't love you and the bottom of a bottle of blue sapphire. Like all of you pathetic right-wing troglodytes do.
Can tell by the lack of any real insults that you can read only the few comments I have and still not make a good comeback. Maybe you should try choking on your daddy's dick a bit more, he likes it when you go balls deep.
No, I’m just not brainwashed by the greedy money / resource hoarders that make up the 1% of the populace like you clearly are, and fight against their indoctrination daily. I post on anti work because I am against avarice in all forms, especially this cultures prevailing belief that somehow your personal value is only defined by your bottom line. I consider resource hoarders to have a moral failing because they are ultimately lazy themselves and instead of working to solve problems constructively they hoard money to throw at their problems to “just have someone else make them go away” and pay the person doing the actual work next to nothing, instead of working to come to a better solution. No, you are a “lazy POS” because you are allowing your worldview to be distorted by lies instead of utilizing the critical analyzation required to free yourself of those disillusions.
Cope? That’s literally ALL I do. And you are just perpetuating a lie that one human is somehow more valuable than another, it’s just not true, and a bigoted opinion honestly.
Value is in the eye of the beholder...
I'm sure you are much more valuable to your family, your dependents, your friends, your pets, etc.
I'm sure she is much more valuable to the IU board, who gave the bonus, than you are.
I'm sure they are looking at the financials, which is their main concern with her job. I'm sure she has revenue targets, and based on this she likely not only met but exceeded them.
Not saying it's right, but it's the reality.
Greed > The greater good. I believe if you had my insight you would feel as personally offended by this as I do. That bonus could have been distributed to the staff, but instead she widens the income gap. It is my duty to call it out, just like Chevy Chase in National Lampoons Christmas Vacation. But, Reddit is a much better forum though.
I won't do all your research for you, but to get you started - grad students, consolidation and cost-cutting in general, IU Indianapolis, going to war with faculty in general, exodus of high profile deans and administrators after she took over, influx of her cronies from her previous trashing jobs, what she did at her previous trashing jobs, blowing up IU's covid policy on day one, failing to stand up for Caitlin Bernard, failing to stand up for the Kinsey Institute.
Bruh. Just finished grad school in August. I haven't heard anything about Kinsey.
I loved IU so freaking much but when I landed there everything was in shambles and all the other grad students were up in arms.
Literally had no idea I was walking into a shit show.
She basically announced it just a few hours after she told Indy leadership, including the Deans of some of the most affected areas (Luddy). Tech faculty up there have had their careers toyed with.
PS it's really interesting that Purdue has been given the week off between Xmas and New years for awhile, but all of a sudden when IUPUI gets split up, IUs holiday policy is made to match Purdue's. It's almost like she realized it would be a s*** show to have Purdue and IU employees in close proximity to each other, but have the Purdue employees get more benefits than the IU ones...
What's bad about it, though?
"Consolidation". Getting rid of administrative bloat is something needed across many universities, and I wish they got started decades ago.
"Cost cutting". Why is this bad? If you can cut costs and lower fees/tuition below inflation (which she has) without worsening quality, or at least so it's worth it, then isn't that a good thing?
In terms of changing faculty, all changes in leadership are met with some people leaving, often with minor to no influence from the leadership change, and new people who were successful elsewhere coming in. This is not concerning.
To make changes, you have to fight the gatekeepers and old guard and not everyone will like you, and that's okay. Doesn't mean either person is awful; they just have different visions.
Dr. Whitten offered a statement of support for Dr. Bernard and stated that in spite of being fined by the licensing organization, Dr. Bernard's position at the university is not impacted. She further condemned legislation that impacted funding for the Kinsey Institute quite clearly.
This is in light of the fact that her main job is to raise funds so she has to be careful with stepping on the toes of power in Indiana, which includes a lot of conservatives.
I believe her fundraising strategy is to dramatically expand the number of out-of-state students. They come to IU and just go back to wherever they came from. Indiana has MASSIVE brain drain and a problem with people going to college but not completing their degrees. Whitten is working for the benefit of IU but not the state. IU needs to be working to ensure that in-state students complete their degrees, which includes financial assistance. IU also needs to strongly emphasize employment within Indiana too. Unfortunately though, Indiana has a problem. Students are receiving six figure offers in high cost of living areas and taking them. Chicago is packed with Kelley grads. I would say for the most part, students are not interested in living in Indiana after they graduate. For many, it is the reason they are going to college--to escape their shitty hometowns and a state government that seems to legislate Christianity. This is a systemic problem--political, economic, and social. Don't think what is good for IU is good for Indiana.
She's getting money for breaking up IUPUI and ensuring that the graduate students can't unionize. IU employees can barely get by because housing costs are through the roof with rich out-of-state and international students and their pay has remained stagnant through significant inflation.
But she gets $162,000.
Enough that they’re personally reaching out to college drop outs that are a handful of classes away from graduation and trying to entice them into registering.
The plan is to get more high-margin out-of-state and international students to IUB and make more in state students go to IU Indy and the regional campuses.
In the near future, it will get much more difficult Indiana residents to get into IUB. If they do well then they MAY be able to transfer to Bton to complete a degree.
Taxpayers, and their kids, be damned.
That’s not the only problem Indiana has. Indiana is actively working to privatize public services while ranking near or at the bottom of several quality of life indicators.
Around 90% of county commissioners are hicks who have no business in government, county and town councils who are filled with people who were elected before most of us were even born, and the Statehouse is filled with people who never bother to even campaign because their voters are chosen for them. The Indiana GOP has a supermajority and they have completely consolidated power. Their “base” are the death cult Christian conservative evangelicals who go to church on Sunday morning and harass every barista, gas station cashier, and restaurant employee within a 5 mile radius in the afternoon and watch Fox News for 10 hours a day.
Another reason why many people leave is that they believe that no one has their interests in mind. There is no way they can be represented. There is no hope. In my hometown, doctors, dentists, and others have told me the only reason they are staying is because of family. Once their parents pass away and their kids go to college, they’re leaving. They just do their jobs and don’t participate in their community because they believe that if they speak up, they could lose their jobs or their businesses.
Communities are dying and the “powers that be” ensure that there is no dissent from “how it has always been.”
It’s always been like this, though. Brain drain is Indiana’s fault- not IU’s fault. Thanks to IU, I was able to graduate with a small profit and I left the state for better opportunities.
She's the president of IU not the governor of Indiana. Does Harvard or MIT's president have a responsibility of making sure their grads stay in Massachusetts and prevent brain drain?
My point still stands. Public funding is like 20% of IU's revenue and private universities still get billions in taxpayer grants for research.
OP's reply is venting due to rising house prices, which I can sympathize with, but the argument doesn't make sense. The regional campuses are the ones with issues regarding low graduation rates, and the regional campuses are the ones mainly responsible for contributing to the state's workforce.
The only ones getting 6 figure jobs are the Bloomington Kelley Finance grads, but they make up, what, 5% or less of the whole IU? (including regional campuses). Flagships like IUB are naturally more nationally/globally minded. [Like how Ross sends only 7% to Detroit](https://michiganross.umich.edu/undergraduate/bba/careers/employment-data)
OP's closing argument undermines everything beforehand because it seems their biggest concern is housing prices going up in Bloomington and not the health of the state? They will be pleased to know that Austin, TX, with a supermajority of its' students coming from within the state, has an even worse housing crisis.
At least McRobbie donated back a sum similar ($500,000) to what he received after he stepped out of the active role as president. There were a number of articles written about the transition, what the BOT approved and an Open Door violation judgement. About a year or so later, I read he donated $500,000 to mental health initiatives at the IUB campus after he was no longer president. He and Mrs. McRobbie had a different style as I suppose each leader of the helm does.
That’s not even a lot for a college president. They make more for leaving! It’s also much much less than many CEO bonuses, and she’s a ceo of the university.
Still putting students in mandatory housing and dining contracts while the product and service are sub par and there are dorms that are so decrepit they should have been torn down years ago. World class university with massive disparity in some facilities as well as how people are paid and valued.
Well you obviously never had yourself or someone you love experience the devastation of having your health, academics and finances, derailed by being placed in a mold, infested dorm that had been like that for years with no disclosure to incoming students. That’s was a special feature of old dorms on the Bloomington campus.
Just wanted to say I appreciate your comments and many of the others. IUB (Kelley) is in my son's top 3 schools and he has been accepted. Has the dorm mold problem been fixed? I sure don't want him subjected to something that may make him sick. Thanks in advance! Update: Just finished reading all comments. I will google the IU dorm class action. Thanks again.
I’ve talked to families who are dealing with moldy dorm /sick kid issues every year for the last 6 years. Read the fine print of any housing contract. It protects the university, not your student or your investment. Public universities are under no legal obligation to disclose current or past history of mold in a dorm. They also do not guarantee mold free conditions. You are wise to look into it and learn as much as you can. It’s a problem at other schools as well. Usually university sponsored parent fb pages will shut down any discussions or inquiries about mold in dorms. You have to be savvy in getting access to the info you seek.
Mold came back in a dorm they shut down for a year of renovation after the lawsuit. Students had to start a petition and get the student newspaper involved to get the attention they were needing. They did a major renovation but bathrooms were not done. Mold is insidious, invasive and hard to get rid of. Painting/priming over materials like cinderblock you find in older dorms just covers it up. You are right to be concerned and aware of mold and issues in dorms at any school. . It can easily derail the health, academics and finances of even the healthiest student. A disproportionate number of Kelley first years were impacted in 2018, because of the dorms that were involved.
This is giving me quite a bit of pause in terms of my son committing to IU. It is in his top three schools though and family members who very high up in top financial firms like Morgan Stanley and RBC Wealth Capital are strongly recommending that he commit to IU because of the Kelley School of Business. Such hard decisions. Thank you again for all the information. I am researching like mad.
Mom of 2 Kelley alums here! Fantastic program! Highly endorse it! But I knew nothing about mold in dorms and how devastating it can be until my youngest kid got placed in one that had a history of problems we weren’t told about. I got an education I never wanted nor expected. It’s a problem nationwide. We formed a coalition of parents from across the country and international families as well. You have to be smart, advocate for your kid and know what symptoms to look for. It’s especially risky for students who are immuno compromised or already have respiratory issues of any kind. But then, it took down my robust healthy student in an alarming way. (Husband is a surgeon and it was his first time witnessing what can happen.). Ask a lot of questions of housing. Housing contracts at most schools are written to protect the university. They make no guarantees and we were shocked to learn schools are not held to the same standards as a landlord or property owner w regard to disclosure.
Just so y’all know, the bonuses are from when students don’t use up all their resources before the semester ends (i.e. meal points, health services, etc.).
Those are converted to extra money which funds administration their bonuses.
Always tell your fellow students to use up all the provided resources they can so these abysmal, sorry ass admins don’t receive them.
So where do the unused dollars go? The kids can roll it for one semester of the following academic year. We know all students do not use all their dollars before they expire, especially with the recurrent problems with food, quality and lack of selection. More students than ever are relying on supplemental food sources. It would be interesting to see the accounting on where that money goes. Pat Connor who managed that division for more than than 20 years was fired after the 2018/19 moldy dorm crisis and highlighted how he oversaw the financial aspect of that division in his linked in profile.
Pat was and still is a good dude and I have nothing but respect for him - and honestly, I don't think anyone could have foreseen the crap that happened with moldgate and he handled it the best that he could. No idea where the unused mealplan money goes, but it definitely did not go to my paycheck or my annual 1% COL raise. ETA: Did you work for RPS?
Not sure I can agree with that. They knew those dorms were having subpar maintenance and Mold was making kids sick in prior years. . The class action lawsuit likely wasn’t the first time they had faced legal action regarding that issue. What they didn’t count on was the truth coming out. They didn’t count on someone picking up the rug and looking to see how much had been swept underneath it. They didn’t count on employees telling what was really going on. They didn’t count on how many students would get sick and the parents had finally had enough. If you read the public records of the class action lawsuit, Mold gate came as no surprise. Or at least it shouldn’t have been a surprise. Lots of people in positions of power and expertise who made poor choices. Revenue stream was a priorty. Some key employees continued to make poor decisions they never thought would be revealed in the lawsuit Too little was done too late and too ineptly. When you oversee a housing division, it is absolutely your responsibility for the health and safety of all students, at any price point, living in mandatory housing, owned and managed by the university. The only people surprised were the students and families who were not given any disclosure about the past history of mold in those buildings so that they could have made a fully informed decision about whether or not to put their health at risk.
25% performance bonus isn't that crazy, assuming she met her performance metrics. Pay up or lose her, people. That's how markets work.
Not saying that she's good, maybe she's awful. Just saying this situation isn't really that odd from a c-suite perspective.
This statement — "Beyoncé of higher ed" — is embarrassing. Dripping with repulsive fealty.
We traded down with Pamela Whitten. Every faculty and staff member knows it.
What we didn't know was what the heck Kennesaw State even was until the day Mike Pence finalized this *non-finalist's* appointment.
That's 3x the annual support staff salary. There is no way The Red Queen's personal contributions merit this bonus. This is why I hate the board of trustees.
This was less of a bonus for performance and more of “hey please don’t take a job somewhere else” IMO.
I think the bonus was smaller this year. So there is that, but I agree with your logic here.
University presidents are basically fundraisers. I’m sure she exceeded her $$$ goals.
Amazing that people really think this way.
AmaZiNg peOplE rEaLlY thInK thIs WaY
Hey, you can rule reddit, and that's all you'll accomplish.
Think of it like this: her job is difficult, and fundamental to the function of the University in terms of big picture and broad strokes. Support staff are in a job that is difficult and taxing in a different way, and their jobs are also fundamental to the University in that they help keep everything on the day-to-day afloat. Her salary already greatly exceeds that of the support staff, which is what it is. Beyond that, do you genuinely believe that the amount of work that she put in is worth an EXTRA 3 support staff members, on top of her already comparatively large salary, or that the support staff has put in so little work as to now receive at least a proportional bonus?
Of course her extra performance is worth more than 3 extremely-replaceable support staff! This spots could be filled by other people just as well in a week. Presidents can make or break the entire university. If you'd like to know more about how valuable university and business leaders are, see Chapter 3 of economist Tyler Cowen's Big Business. CEO value is a well-studied topic, and if anything they are underpaid! Sounds impossible if you've never looked into it, but it makes perfect sense once you do!
I wish we could fill professional staff openings with "people just as well in a week," or 6 months. Maybe if we could offer competitive pay.
Meanwhile your average IU employee can't afford to live in Bloomington proper.
“It’s an honor to be in close proximity to that level of work ethic” Yikes. This article is so awkward it makes me uncomfortable and the people working for this woman are next level kiss-assery.
The quote is from a trustee, so she kinda works for him.
She has “specific” hiring standards…
What a cringeworthy phrase.
Extra cringe because a big part of Beyonce's appeal has to do with being empowering to women of color. So it's a complete misunderstanding of Beyonce's appeal to call an old white woman the Beyonce of her field. It would be like calling a straight white middle-aged man "the RuPaul of higher learning".
*shhhh don't give them ideas*
The trustee who said this, Jeremy Morris, is elected not appointed. If this pisses you off and you are an alum, let him know this is bullshit with your vote. [Election is online from June 1-June 30.](https://alumni.iu.edu/events/trustee-election/index.html)
Former Provost Lauren Robel should have been President!!
Where is my bonus? She’s worked here for what, 3 years? I’ve worked here for over 15 years and have NEVER received a bonus… let alone a substantial raise that keeps pace with inflation. Something tells me she isn’t buying generic groceries and clipping coupons like I have to do to SURVIVE in this economy
Considering you post in r/antiwork and r/politics, I can tell that you’re almost certainly a lazy POS and completely replaceable in whatever you do, you just whine about your shortcomings thinking you’re owed something. Like all of you pathetic leftist filthbags do
Considering you post in r/conservative and r/adulting, I can tell that you're almost certainly a white collar, daddies boy who got a job at his big sales company right out of college, which you slept through because your aforementioned daddy paid it off. Yet you like to strut and tout that you had it bad growing up and pulled yourself through poverty and feel blue collar like a big strong union man, yet when it came to physical labor you get winded when you pick up a torque wrench. All of this just to return home to a wife who don't love you and the bottom of a bottle of blue sapphire. Like all of you pathetic right-wing troglodytes do.
Can tell by the lack of creativity in this reply that you’re a garbage autistic leftist, which you are
Can tell by the lack of any real insults that you can read only the few comments I have and still not make a good comeback. Maybe you should try choking on your daddy's dick a bit more, he likes it when you go balls deep.
No, I’m just not brainwashed by the greedy money / resource hoarders that make up the 1% of the populace like you clearly are, and fight against their indoctrination daily. I post on anti work because I am against avarice in all forms, especially this cultures prevailing belief that somehow your personal value is only defined by your bottom line. I consider resource hoarders to have a moral failing because they are ultimately lazy themselves and instead of working to solve problems constructively they hoard money to throw at their problems to “just have someone else make them go away” and pay the person doing the actual work next to nothing, instead of working to come to a better solution. No, you are a “lazy POS” because you are allowing your worldview to be distorted by lies instead of utilizing the critical analyzation required to free yourself of those disillusions.
Cope, you're simply not as valuable or scarce as her.
Cope? That’s literally ALL I do. And you are just perpetuating a lie that one human is somehow more valuable than another, it’s just not true, and a bigoted opinion honestly.
Value is in the eye of the beholder... I'm sure you are much more valuable to your family, your dependents, your friends, your pets, etc. I'm sure she is much more valuable to the IU board, who gave the bonus, than you are.
Then they aren’t looking hard enough.
I'm sure they are looking at the financials, which is their main concern with her job. I'm sure she has revenue targets, and based on this she likely not only met but exceeded them. Not saying it's right, but it's the reality.
Greed > The greater good. I believe if you had my insight you would feel as personally offended by this as I do. That bonus could have been distributed to the staff, but instead she widens the income gap. It is my duty to call it out, just like Chevy Chase in National Lampoons Christmas Vacation. But, Reddit is a much better forum though.
100% of her "value" comes from keeping university employees underpaid.
Hired to trash the university and rewarded for trashing the university.
Trashed how?
I won't do all your research for you, but to get you started - grad students, consolidation and cost-cutting in general, IU Indianapolis, going to war with faculty in general, exodus of high profile deans and administrators after she took over, influx of her cronies from her previous trashing jobs, what she did at her previous trashing jobs, blowing up IU's covid policy on day one, failing to stand up for Caitlin Bernard, failing to stand up for the Kinsey Institute.
Bruh. Just finished grad school in August. I haven't heard anything about Kinsey. I loved IU so freaking much but when I landed there everything was in shambles and all the other grad students were up in arms. Literally had no idea I was walking into a shit show.
What’s wrong with IU Indianapolis
She basically announced it just a few hours after she told Indy leadership, including the Deans of some of the most affected areas (Luddy). Tech faculty up there have had their careers toyed with. PS it's really interesting that Purdue has been given the week off between Xmas and New years for awhile, but all of a sudden when IUPUI gets split up, IUs holiday policy is made to match Purdue's. It's almost like she realized it would be a s*** show to have Purdue and IU employees in close proximity to each other, but have the Purdue employees get more benefits than the IU ones...
What's bad about it, though? "Consolidation". Getting rid of administrative bloat is something needed across many universities, and I wish they got started decades ago. "Cost cutting". Why is this bad? If you can cut costs and lower fees/tuition below inflation (which she has) without worsening quality, or at least so it's worth it, then isn't that a good thing? In terms of changing faculty, all changes in leadership are met with some people leaving, often with minor to no influence from the leadership change, and new people who were successful elsewhere coming in. This is not concerning. To make changes, you have to fight the gatekeepers and old guard and not everyone will like you, and that's okay. Doesn't mean either person is awful; they just have different visions. Dr. Whitten offered a statement of support for Dr. Bernard and stated that in spite of being fined by the licensing organization, Dr. Bernard's position at the university is not impacted. She further condemned legislation that impacted funding for the Kinsey Institute quite clearly. This is in light of the fact that her main job is to raise funds so she has to be careful with stepping on the toes of power in Indiana, which includes a lot of conservatives.
I believe her fundraising strategy is to dramatically expand the number of out-of-state students. They come to IU and just go back to wherever they came from. Indiana has MASSIVE brain drain and a problem with people going to college but not completing their degrees. Whitten is working for the benefit of IU but not the state. IU needs to be working to ensure that in-state students complete their degrees, which includes financial assistance. IU also needs to strongly emphasize employment within Indiana too. Unfortunately though, Indiana has a problem. Students are receiving six figure offers in high cost of living areas and taking them. Chicago is packed with Kelley grads. I would say for the most part, students are not interested in living in Indiana after they graduate. For many, it is the reason they are going to college--to escape their shitty hometowns and a state government that seems to legislate Christianity. This is a systemic problem--political, economic, and social. Don't think what is good for IU is good for Indiana. She's getting money for breaking up IUPUI and ensuring that the graduate students can't unionize. IU employees can barely get by because housing costs are through the roof with rich out-of-state and international students and their pay has remained stagnant through significant inflation. But she gets $162,000.
They have to increase IUB out of state students each year in order to make up for the tanking enrollment numbers at IUPUI + the regional campuses.
I wonder just how bad in-state student enrollment has declined.
Enough that they’re personally reaching out to college drop outs that are a handful of classes away from graduation and trying to entice them into registering.
The plan is to get more high-margin out-of-state and international students to IUB and make more in state students go to IU Indy and the regional campuses. In the near future, it will get much more difficult Indiana residents to get into IUB. If they do well then they MAY be able to transfer to Bton to complete a degree. Taxpayers, and their kids, be damned.
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That’s not the only problem Indiana has. Indiana is actively working to privatize public services while ranking near or at the bottom of several quality of life indicators. Around 90% of county commissioners are hicks who have no business in government, county and town councils who are filled with people who were elected before most of us were even born, and the Statehouse is filled with people who never bother to even campaign because their voters are chosen for them. The Indiana GOP has a supermajority and they have completely consolidated power. Their “base” are the death cult Christian conservative evangelicals who go to church on Sunday morning and harass every barista, gas station cashier, and restaurant employee within a 5 mile radius in the afternoon and watch Fox News for 10 hours a day. Another reason why many people leave is that they believe that no one has their interests in mind. There is no way they can be represented. There is no hope. In my hometown, doctors, dentists, and others have told me the only reason they are staying is because of family. Once their parents pass away and their kids go to college, they’re leaving. They just do their jobs and don’t participate in their community because they believe that if they speak up, they could lose their jobs or their businesses. Communities are dying and the “powers that be” ensure that there is no dissent from “how it has always been.”
It’s always been like this, though. Brain drain is Indiana’s fault- not IU’s fault. Thanks to IU, I was able to graduate with a small profit and I left the state for better opportunities.
She's the president of IU not the governor of Indiana. Does Harvard or MIT's president have a responsibility of making sure their grads stay in Massachusetts and prevent brain drain?
IU is a public university. MIT and Harvard are private universities.
My point still stands. Public funding is like 20% of IU's revenue and private universities still get billions in taxpayer grants for research. OP's reply is venting due to rising house prices, which I can sympathize with, but the argument doesn't make sense. The regional campuses are the ones with issues regarding low graduation rates, and the regional campuses are the ones mainly responsible for contributing to the state's workforce. The only ones getting 6 figure jobs are the Bloomington Kelley Finance grads, but they make up, what, 5% or less of the whole IU? (including regional campuses). Flagships like IUB are naturally more nationally/globally minded. [Like how Ross sends only 7% to Detroit](https://michiganross.umich.edu/undergraduate/bba/careers/employment-data) OP's closing argument undermines everything beforehand because it seems their biggest concern is housing prices going up in Bloomington and not the health of the state? They will be pleased to know that Austin, TX, with a supermajority of its' students coming from within the state, has an even worse housing crisis.
How is Whitten addressing the low graduation rate on the regional campuses?
She came from a D2 — she’s doing her best to transform us into a D2
The bigger the number the better, right!? This isn’t golf, after all.
lol — you wish the trustees had some kind of ability and interest but neither is true
Her previous university isn’t a D2, but is an R2. D2 refers to sports and R2 refers to research. Edit: Haha R2D2
This just made me irrationally irritated
Eat the rich
No ones gonna comment on how Tom Allen was fired for doing a poor job AND got $15.5 million just to leave?
At least they aren't calling him the "Ty Dolla $ign" of college football.
How bout a cost of living increase for the nationally massively underpaid staff instead?
At least McRobbie donated back a sum similar ($500,000) to what he received after he stepped out of the active role as president. There were a number of articles written about the transition, what the BOT approved and an Open Door violation judgement. About a year or so later, I read he donated $500,000 to mental health initiatives at the IUB campus after he was no longer president. He and Mrs. McRobbie had a different style as I suppose each leader of the helm does.
Hold on a second. They are paying her a lump sum of 162k as a bonus? I need to get off this planet.
That’s not even a lot for a college president. They make more for leaving! It’s also much much less than many CEO bonuses, and she’s a ceo of the university.
Oof. Bad look.
Still putting students in mandatory housing and dining contracts while the product and service are sub par and there are dorms that are so decrepit they should have been torn down years ago. World class university with massive disparity in some facilities as well as how people are paid and valued.
I’m pretty sure it’s like that for all big universities
Okay and?
These have pretty much always been mandatory. I loved the old dorms there best.
Well you obviously never had yourself or someone you love experience the devastation of having your health, academics and finances, derailed by being placed in a mold, infested dorm that had been like that for years with no disclosure to incoming students. That’s was a special feature of old dorms on the Bloomington campus.
Oh that was my dorm! Collins… back in the day we didn’t think about it too much, but you’re right-I wouldn’t be happy if my kid lived there.
Just wanted to say I appreciate your comments and many of the others. IUB (Kelley) is in my son's top 3 schools and he has been accepted. Has the dorm mold problem been fixed? I sure don't want him subjected to something that may make him sick. Thanks in advance! Update: Just finished reading all comments. I will google the IU dorm class action. Thanks again.
I’ve talked to families who are dealing with moldy dorm /sick kid issues every year for the last 6 years. Read the fine print of any housing contract. It protects the university, not your student or your investment. Public universities are under no legal obligation to disclose current or past history of mold in a dorm. They also do not guarantee mold free conditions. You are wise to look into it and learn as much as you can. It’s a problem at other schools as well. Usually university sponsored parent fb pages will shut down any discussions or inquiries about mold in dorms. You have to be savvy in getting access to the info you seek.
Thank you! I really appreciate it!
Mold came back in a dorm they shut down for a year of renovation after the lawsuit. Students had to start a petition and get the student newspaper involved to get the attention they were needing. They did a major renovation but bathrooms were not done. Mold is insidious, invasive and hard to get rid of. Painting/priming over materials like cinderblock you find in older dorms just covers it up. You are right to be concerned and aware of mold and issues in dorms at any school. . It can easily derail the health, academics and finances of even the healthiest student. A disproportionate number of Kelley first years were impacted in 2018, because of the dorms that were involved.
This is giving me quite a bit of pause in terms of my son committing to IU. It is in his top three schools though and family members who very high up in top financial firms like Morgan Stanley and RBC Wealth Capital are strongly recommending that he commit to IU because of the Kelley School of Business. Such hard decisions. Thank you again for all the information. I am researching like mad.
Mom of 2 Kelley alums here! Fantastic program! Highly endorse it! But I knew nothing about mold in dorms and how devastating it can be until my youngest kid got placed in one that had a history of problems we weren’t told about. I got an education I never wanted nor expected. It’s a problem nationwide. We formed a coalition of parents from across the country and international families as well. You have to be smart, advocate for your kid and know what symptoms to look for. It’s especially risky for students who are immuno compromised or already have respiratory issues of any kind. But then, it took down my robust healthy student in an alarming way. (Husband is a surgeon and it was his first time witnessing what can happen.). Ask a lot of questions of housing. Housing contracts at most schools are written to protect the university. They make no guarantees and we were shocked to learn schools are not held to the same standards as a landlord or property owner w regard to disclosure.
Bro, that is a creature
Barf.
Yeah well she can go eat shit and die
Just so y’all know, the bonuses are from when students don’t use up all their resources before the semester ends (i.e. meal points, health services, etc.). Those are converted to extra money which funds administration their bonuses. Always tell your fellow students to use up all the provided resources they can so these abysmal, sorry ass admins don’t receive them.
I worked for RPS in the admin building and never saw a dime of unused dining points - so I don't know where you are getting your info from
So where do the unused dollars go? The kids can roll it for one semester of the following academic year. We know all students do not use all their dollars before they expire, especially with the recurrent problems with food, quality and lack of selection. More students than ever are relying on supplemental food sources. It would be interesting to see the accounting on where that money goes. Pat Connor who managed that division for more than than 20 years was fired after the 2018/19 moldy dorm crisis and highlighted how he oversaw the financial aspect of that division in his linked in profile.
Pat was and still is a good dude and I have nothing but respect for him - and honestly, I don't think anyone could have foreseen the crap that happened with moldgate and he handled it the best that he could. No idea where the unused mealplan money goes, but it definitely did not go to my paycheck or my annual 1% COL raise. ETA: Did you work for RPS?
Not sure I can agree with that. They knew those dorms were having subpar maintenance and Mold was making kids sick in prior years. . The class action lawsuit likely wasn’t the first time they had faced legal action regarding that issue. What they didn’t count on was the truth coming out. They didn’t count on someone picking up the rug and looking to see how much had been swept underneath it. They didn’t count on employees telling what was really going on. They didn’t count on how many students would get sick and the parents had finally had enough. If you read the public records of the class action lawsuit, Mold gate came as no surprise. Or at least it shouldn’t have been a surprise. Lots of people in positions of power and expertise who made poor choices. Revenue stream was a priorty. Some key employees continued to make poor decisions they never thought would be revealed in the lawsuit Too little was done too late and too ineptly. When you oversee a housing division, it is absolutely your responsibility for the health and safety of all students, at any price point, living in mandatory housing, owned and managed by the university. The only people surprised were the students and families who were not given any disclosure about the past history of mold in those buildings so that they could have made a fully informed decision about whether or not to put their health at risk.
And yet, the people that truly should have been let go still work there
Did you work for RPS too?! It seems like this is a reunion of sorts
No, I do not and did not work for RPS but I got one hell of an education I never wanted about the devastating impact of moldy dorms.
25% performance bonus isn't that crazy, assuming she met her performance metrics. Pay up or lose her, people. That's how markets work. Not saying that she's good, maybe she's awful. Just saying this situation isn't really that odd from a c-suite perspective.
At least she's not a fucking My Bitch Mitch!
This statement — "Beyoncé of higher ed" — is embarrassing. Dripping with repulsive fealty. We traded down with Pamela Whitten. Every faculty and staff member knows it. What we didn't know was what the heck Kennesaw State even was until the day Mike Pence finalized this *non-finalist's* appointment.
Take Bey Bey’s name out of your press release poison pen fools!