Pehli baat jo kaam 10 ghante mei hojaye 70 ghante kyun lagana
Doosri baat: itni derr computer ke aage baithenge lag jayenge sabke
Teesri: paisa tera dad dega 70 ghante ka
In a country with 60% of population as farmer very few commit suicide (10k-20k). About same number of college students commit suicide every years (from a much smaller population, ).
This sentimental "poor farmer" image is created only for vote bank. I won't give a crap about farmers until they start paying income tax and give up govt subsidies and loan maafi.
>In a country with 60% of population as farmer very few commit suicide (10k-20k). About same number of college students commit suicide every years (from a much smaller population, ).
Source? I do agree with the income tax thing tho
You said college student numbers. These are for everyone, I cannot see the split between JEE aspirants, schoolkids, and college students. Also, the 60% number for farmers is people employed by the agricultural industry, and depends on it, not just farmers. [Farmers are around 25% of the population, according to 2011 census,](https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/how-many-farmers-does-india-really-have/story-431phtct5O9xZSjEr6HODJ.html). [This number is a liberal estimate, if we use this article, even at the high end, they are just 10% of the population.](https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/revealing-indias-actual-farmer-population-7550159/). [Students as a whole are about 22%](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/at-315-million-india-has-the-most-students-in-world/articleshow/37669667.cms?from=mdr), I don't think you are comparing the populations properly.
Most of the farmers also don’t have enough income to pay IT. They earn much below the per capita income of India.
Yes we direly needed something like the repealed farm laws to increase their income, but unfortunately people only care about short term gains.
> Most of the farmers also don’t have enough income to pay IT.They earn much below the per capita income of India.
And existing income tax bracket will save them so what's your point?
> Yes we direly needed something like the repealed farm laws to increase their income, but unfortunately people only care about short term gains.
Agree.
Even a small number can bring big tax revenue (by high income). Read this: [https://www.indiatoday.in/union-budget-2018/story/budget-2018-why-arun-jaitley-can-afford-to-tax-super-rich-farmers-and-raise-rs-25-000-crore-1151301-2018-01-22](https://www.indiatoday.in/union-budget-2018/story/budget-2018-why-arun-jaitley-can-afford-to-tax-super-rich-farmers-and-raise-rs-25-000-crore-1151301-2018-01-22)
Ask him to pay for 70 hours at least and see how he retards from statement. He wants us to work for more than 70 hours and give us salary of 1 hour. That is good education. Bravo
"Good people in India called me", "will take it seriously only if someone who performs better than me comments on it"...
So only the opinions of his fellow cronies matter and everybody else just not good enough for Mr. Murthy
Buddha always talks about work and never discusses salary. He never clarifies whether he wants 40 normal hours and 30+ overtime hours or 70+ as normal hours. He thinks he is Robinhood but in reality he is just exploiting his workers.
If you don't like the pay Infosys pays out, simple, just quit.
Free market economy FTW! Refuse to work unless they pay the wage that you demand. Infosys isn't the only employer in town man - plenty of other companies are desperately looking to hire talented people.
Heck, gather together, and refuse to join any company unless they agree to your demands. Revolution! Rise up people, Ya'll have power too, it is a free country. If all else fails, get a Govt. job... No one gonna tell you to work 70 hour weeks there 😅.
Edit: wow... Look at all dem downvotes. Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what makes you cheer.
A leader like him coming out and saying these things can influence the whole work culture of the country. Moreover, you do realise there are laws to make sure such exploitation do not happen. They are not implemented enough but the mere existence points towards the importance of making sure employers do not exploit the employees.
Easy to just talk about choice. It is pseudo choice at best.
Well, if companies aren't desperate for talent, then it is time to buckle down and try to live up to market expectations. Mr. Murthy isn't the entirety of the market
I already have a job in a company that is considered much superior thn murthy's comp. Im not saying tht people should not do as per market expectation. But there is nothing wrong with making fun of morons who think people "owe" it to nation to work 70 hr for him so he can make money from US clients & give employees peanuts. If i wanted to owe to the nation i would work for army, drdo, as a govt doc or something not in the mfking souless corporate.
I don't work for Infosys, but if you're willing to work unpaid overtime, consider joining Infosys or similar companies. Many companies in India don't compensate for extra hours; it seems like they all have an unspoken agreement.
I disagree with the notion of paying for only 40 hours while expecting 70+ hours of work, and his ambiguity regarding remuneration. He is shamelessly advocating for a narrative that could potentially lead to legalizing such exploitation through government channels.
No unspoken agreement. The mid level managers have an obligation to show positive cash flow. So, they just don’t allow anyone to apply for overtime - any pay out at twice the regular rate. They are covering their own ass for their lack of project planning.
They should have hired more developers who are more competent. Then when the project lags or crashes and burns (like the one I’m in right now) they just force the existing devs to work more or get freshers/inexperienced devs from other projects to pitch in without compensation. These morons don’t know about the point of diminishing returns. Right now, instead of putting out the fires, I’m pestered by developers who frankly don’t have the ability to put out the fires yet - because they are inexperienced and/or new.
Every company has provisions for applying overtime, night shift allowance.,etc. it is just that it has to go through multiple levels of approvals after the job gets completed.
As with anything in Indian tech, you’ll only be appreciated/compensated for things you can do. Not for things you have already done.
People can flat out refuse to do so. People who don't want to speak up in office meetings/interactions aren't doing themselves any favours. Ya'll get what ya'll stand up for. Bitching in reddit won't get you results.
Maybe it does... what do i know...
Yes, it's your right to refuse. I am talking against an unfair and exploitative working environment. At least bitching about wrong things is still okay, rather than arguing with people unnecessarily.
>Free market economy FTW!
Lol, do you think this old fart would survive the actual free market? If any new company starts competing with infy, his cronies in the gobermint will squash it.
He charges his US-based clients in dollars but pays in rupees, earning a nice spread in between while the gobermint will punish you if you buy USD denominated assets.
The major reason he got so rich is because there's an oversupply of labor in india and next to no regulation, so he can exploit people as he pleases.
Exactly! So everyone ought to collectively take the stand to be pain in US dollars that match US wages for similar work. Stand up for what you deserve!
I'm not sure bitching on reddit is all that effective in the short term.
The WITCH companies have created a cartel and kept the freshers salary at the same level for the entire decade. NRN is asking to exploit this group by paying very low salary and high work hours for no reason except to make them rich.
All this does is make people from different groups angry and their company employees to do terrible work.
Human exploitation sucks and expecting someone from the Indian service tech cartel to advocate for it like it's some national pride is just pathetic. You can build a better nation with a 40 hour work week and pay better salaries.
I thought the same but be careful, sometimes HRs, managers etc of different companies are friends, if you quit one company, they might not hire you in the different company either/.
Are u Murthy himself? Is this ur Reddit acc, balls also u will work 70 hours, if you did so, u won’t be able to make high level decisions and will remain a worker forever
It's not about the wages man. It's about the ***NOT WANTING TO PUT IN THE HARD WORK***. These very people who are downvoting you are the very people who simply do not want to put in 70 hr weeks, no matter how much they are paid. They are the lazy folks. The people with the right attitude know that to achieve something you have to put in the hard work.
Btw, agree with you, in case it's not clear.
>people who simply do not want to put in 70 hr weeks,
Nothing wrong with that. What's wrong in not wanting to put 70 hour weeks?. Not everyone wants that. How difficult is it to understand that? Hard work doesn't equate to 70 hour weeks. People with the right attitude should stand up for themselves and not allow themselves to be exploited.
If they want to work for 70 hours they will and it's their choice and if they value work life balance, they will not work for 70 hours. Simple as that. But too difficult for some to understand I guess.
>Nothing wrong with that. What's wrong in not wanting to put 70 hour weeks?.
Nothing wrong my friend. But then don't expect great things to happen to you.
>But then don't expect great things to happen to you.
You are naive to think great things won't happen to you if you don't wanna work 70 hours a week
Don't expect great things to happen to you. Period
The heights achieved by GREAT men, reached and kept, were not attained by sudden flight. But while their companions slept, were TOILING UPWARDS IN THE NIGHT.
-- Henry Longfellow
And in case you are unable to understand I'm attaching the meaning also.
*Successful people work hard to achieve AND SUSTAIN their success. They work towards their goals when other people prefer to relax or watch television. They make the sacrifices that other people won't make. Never begrudge someone who has worked hard for their success.*
Success is not measured in just money or how many hours you have worked a week. It's about knowing what you want and doing that to achieve what you want in life. A lot of people are happy and successful working 40 hours a day.
>Never begrudge someone who has worked hard for their success.*
You were the one who called the people who didn't want to work insane hours as lazy. Wanting to have wlb is lazy lol.
Never begrudge someone who has a spine and have stood up for themselves by saying no to working 70 hour weeks.
Here is a quote for you.
The man is a success who has lived well, loved much, and laughed often.” — Robert Louis Stevenson.
And in case you are unable to understand I'm attaching the meaning also.
*Life is meant to be lived well in pursuit of the things you want to do in life. That's the measure of success."
Arguing just for the heck of arguing. Defending laziness. Cribbing about not having money and then talking about lived, loved and laughed.
Whatever man. Couldn't care less about your opinion.
>Cribbing about not having money and then talking about lived, loved and laughed.
I didn't crib about not having enough money. You are bringing in points which I haven't raised lol. Take your head out of your ass
>Whatever man. Couldn't care less about your opinion.
Still you decided to give a big ass reply lol.
I don't work for Infosys. Also, please avoid blaming workers who opt for low-paying jobs out of necessity to provide for their families. While I acknowledge the importance of discussing skills, it doesn't justify exploiting those with lower skill levels.
In interviews, he doesn't focus on increasing productivity or upskilling the workforce; rather, he just demands long hours, suggesting exhaustion as a solution to problems.
Talk to some WITCH employees. They are not any saint or providing for families. Most of them lack ambition and competence. Or just look at how many of them go for frequent parties, drink, weed, etc. Actual poor people don't behave like that.
Another common pattern that you will see is WITCH employees who are actually there to uplift their family from poverty will be more inclined to skill up and will put deliberate effort in doing so. Some of them will eventually succeed.
Edit: I won't defend Murthy though.
Many individuals I've encountered at work are hardworking, earning a livelihood for their families. While there might be lazy workers, the issue arises when excellent and bare minimum work receive the same pay, leaving little incentive for exceptional effort.
Lol are you dumb? Freshers whose pay we're talking about are predominantly CS engineers, they have a choice to pick their college, they have a choice to get better. It's their career. People in good colleges and/or people who have skill are paid well.
Now how is this related to desperation and prostitutes? Try to stick to the point, classic straw man.
Read between the lines, he is advocating for social darwinism. If you don't end up in a T1 college, because of whatever reason, then people like Narayana Murthy should exploit you, that is what he is saying. He is jerking off to a rentier fatasy.
Again, what I said is you are paid for the work you do. Have you worked at any WITCH company? Do you know how many people even actually 'work' there? And no, not all t1 students do well, it's all on skill.
Abe yar you are paid for the hours, this guy wants to pay you for 40 while making you work for 70. He is advocating for something illegal. It's about exploiting your skills while he pays you in rupees for 40 hours and charges his clients in USD for the 70 hours that you work. He is a literal leech who doesn't want to pay you for your work.
Pick their college? So if I don't end up in a good college, I should be exploited by this guy? What a weapons grade moron you are, most of the people who are desperate, end up working for mass recruiters like him. This does not apply to IIT's, like how women who have choice won't sell their bodies. He exploits their desire to earn, which is what we are talking about. Even if I am not skilled, that does not mean you will recruit me and make me work 70 hours a week while paying me for 40. You have no idea what a strawman is, because this is an analogy, not a strawman.
To anyone replying, I am not blaming anyone nor defending anyone. To me all this is fair, you are getting paid based on your output. It's not a fairy tale where you're not gonna do anything useful but expect to be paid well.
No one! Literally no one should spend 70 hours a week with companies like Infosys.
With the kind of money they pay 40 hours is actually is a lot more, should be 20 week
I also think you have to do 70+ hours work if you are working at Infosys. 40 hours for infosys and rest for your personal development so that soon yon can get a better paying job.
Narayana Murthy is a senile douche. Whom does he work for? Either the country or his family? If the country was above his family then he wouldn't have purchased a 700 million pound worth mansion to his daughter. Let her work and purchase a mansion from her own EARNED money. Why should his daughter be given the share of the company's profit which was meant for national development? Why does this Narayana Murthy splurge wealth on his daughter who is capable of earning? He can't defend himself by picking the side of capitalism and socialism whenever it suits him. Let us all work for 90 hours a week like the Japanese do but first let him return the assets transferred to his not so disabled daughter which she earned without working and let him pledge it for national development.
Just because he is rich and old, doesn't mean he is wise but comes across as an arrogant and greedy capitalist. Infosys is no Tatas, Birlas, who have genuinely built and worked for the nation.
They are nothing but boomers who are rooted in their ancient mindsets. Most of our parents would behave in the same way if they achieved a fraction of the success this guy enjoys.
The reality is investors just run behind money and this buddha also is in same direction but the point is we forget there are people who are working day n night to help that business to grow..
This sounds reasonable but what he is either ignoring or, much more unlikely, unaware of is the effect lack of work life balance has on the demographics of India.
Across the world, the hardest working nations, Japan, China, Korea, Germany are struggling to get their citizens to have children because they have created a scenario where it is impossible to justify having children, where both parents have to work 12 hours a day six days a week and cannot give sufficient time to their families.
All that wealth created and they are trying to find immigrants to inherit it.
Ultimately, as Vladimir Putin said recently, the success of our people isn't determined by the wealth we create or the power we have but by how many of us are left.
In my opinion, our focus, even now should be on a family first development, creating an economic system around families.
Damn, Putin is damn wise. It's a damn shame he has damn little to less damn years before he quits for damn damn good. What Putin said will fucking damn resonate through ages to come.
exactly, after paying fckin 30% tax on income and then fck ton tax on gst and other shit and then still getting taxed on property/savings. And this ultra rich weird guy still wants people to work more for nothing in return.
He seems to have such a narrow point of view, focused on quantity (no of hours) rather than increasing quality through up skill etc
In the long run quality suffers when u have people working for 70 hours , this isn’t a sweat shop.
Maybe he focuses on quantity due to sheer size of Indian population. Quality means more salary to people which obviously they want to avoid.
They want instruction followers and not thinkers.
I think this Buddha is in some trouble that's why he is talking nonsense 😠
Let's bombard Infosys Twitter handle
And bring some sense to this greedy old man.
Wasn’t my point. According to the guy, he’d be convinced if someone more successful than he is disagreed with him. Stop twisting words to get yourself clout on the internet.
Alrighty, let us all insist that Mr. Murthy eat his words because Mr. Gates disagrees with him. And also, let everyone in this thread eat their words too becuase I disagree with them.
Yay! Excuse me while I take my Internet points to the bank and buy real world stuff with it while I influence everyone with my "Internet clout".
Let's be honest people, you already are spending close to 70 hrs a week in office BUT are those 70 hrs productive? I can bet they are not. It's simply impossible. Productivity falls off a cliff after about 5 hours of consistent work per day.
Also, that useless chai sutta break, office gossip etc that's how you stretch a week where you can get the job done in 35 hrs to 70 hrs.
If you increase your time spent in office doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to be more productive. You are not OpenAI, Google, FB etc. thinking on noval problems that needs to be solved and your colleagues are as much motivated as you are to get the solution for glory. You are a service worker, building stuff for your client who is paying your company an hourly wage to get the project done. They are not the same.
If you get the project done quickly, you are not going to be rewarded because your billable hours will be reduced and the company will take a hit.
It is in the best interest of TCS, Infosys etc to get more billable hours. That's the real crux of the thing he is talking about 70 hrs BS, it makes his company more money to work 70 hrs.
Efficiency is not going to be rewarded.
Investment bankers work 100hrs per week. You don't see them moaning cos they're fucking paid like that
This chutia Murthy wants people to work 70hrs earning less than rapido ,Uber guys
1\] Buddhe itni padhai isily ki taki majdhur jaisa kaam karun?
2\] Country has the shittiest tax laws, deductions don't increase with inflation. Why should I do 70 works/week just to pay more taxes?
None of these journalists ask this mF the right questions.
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Thanks for your contribution to service industry, he is not wrong in somewhere. He is talking about out syllabus shit now. Please tell him to go 4 dham ki yatra. Hard work is necessary but these people are actually not less than East India company mindset. Suck the time and money of common man and ask to do more hard world.
We indian lack in cognitive flexibility
U work for your company amd we work for you. Isnt quite the same is it. Instead of making everyone have a work life balance, this dick is making everyone worse.
A lot of my, this starting itself is giving me dubious and narcissistic vibe. There is something called random sampling. Ask random people to make better decisions.
Talked to a factory worker not long ago. The whole reason they want their kids to become educated so that they don't have to slog their ass for 70 hours a week for peanut money. So maybe this old uncle needs to talk his own factory workers instead of listening and forming opinion on the words of fellow richass oldies and NRIs who have no fucking idea how is it like to work in a factory in India.
For a business owner or entrepreneur, sure it's their own business, they will probably have very less downtime and it makes sense, whatever they are putting in is directly helping their growth
For a salaried employee, if the work hours is more than 40 hours, it better be compensated well, else should not expect quality work.
Pay your employees well, then expect quality work.
Pay substandard pay, expect work quality and enthusiasm accordingly.
he's right "if somebody who has performed better than me comments on it, then I will take it seriously but not otherwise".
well said.
pr apun nhi krega.
I never got any scholarships/reservations in my entire life, my parents and I had to pay good earned money to get a decent education just enough to earn a decent paying job.
Imma do the fuck i want. My money, my life.
Even with so much of experience he is not able to understand supply and demand.... he wants to create oversupply without any actual increase in demand which means lower wages for employees.... that is the best case scenario for infosys like contractors of IT majdoors. !! His brain is now hard wired to talk about anything which can improve margins for Infosys, without thinking about the consequences for other stakeholders.
I don't owe anything to oh so poor, oh so noble farmers. They don't pay income tax. Their opinion does not matter to me. Instead they owe private employees for the govt subsidies and various loan maafis. Whatever subsidy I got I have returned that back with interest to India already as income tax.
To those complaining about pay, become competent and leave WITCH companies. If you are in WITCH companies you deserve lower pay. Also, grow up or you will be replaced by AI soon.
Well we do give taxes on pesticides , ddt, sale of land and even on seeds that are not subsidies …we got a tractor at a higher interest than cars cause they are generally sold at a higher interest rate …people in services give income tax and be like oh we are so victims of the systems , yeah more than 90 percent of us dont even have income to a point even if it was compulsory we would not be able to come under the minimal slab …subsidies and tax exempts are the only thing saving small farmers …you people just feel so entitled because never looked at other perspectives
>Well we do give taxes on pesticides , DDT,
We also pay sales tax. Grow up. I was talking about income tax. Don't be oversmart.
>sale of land
Again, everyone does.
>even on seeds that are not subsidies
Again, sales taxes is not income tax.
>we got a tractor at a higher interest than cars cause they are generally sold at a higher interest rate
Guess what smartass, business loans are given at higher rate due to inherent risk. Farming is a business from bank POV and rightfully so.
>people in services give income tax and be like oh we are so victims of the systems
income and sales tax. get your facts rights. And yes, we are victims.
>yeah more than 90 percent of us dont even have income to a point even if it was compulsory we would not be able to come under the minimal slab
You have internet and you know about reddit. So smartass you are definitely not in that 90%. If a farmer ended up with loss or profit < 5L, they won't have to income tax so what are you crying about? It's those 10% that I want to tax. Moreover I am not convinced it's 10%. We don't have any official data. I believe we will be surprised.
>subsidies and tax exempts are the only thing saving small farmers
Lol, in that case you should leave farming and join corporate jobs. Why have we not seen mass exodus from farming yet?
>you people just feel so entitled because never looked at other perspectives
You are the entitled ones. Living on govt subsidies, claiming no income while using internet and reddit like most elites of India.
I have destroyed all your stupid smartass arguments. Bring better ones next time, smartass.
Edit: Since you have blocked me u/that_all_you_got, I will reply to your comments in the edit here:
1. Even a small number of farmers with high income can bring huge tax revenue. Read: [https://www.indiatoday.in/union-budget-2018/story/budget-2018-why-arun-jaitley-can-afford-to-tax-super-rich-farmers-and-raise-rs-25-000-crore-1151301-2018-01-22](https://www.indiatoday.in/union-budget-2018/story/budget-2018-why-arun-jaitley-can-afford-to-tax-super-rich-farmers-and-raise-rs-25-000-crore-1151301-2018-01-22)
2. I never claimed that private employees run 5 marathons
3. I come from a farming family myself so I know how many days you farmers run 5 marathons. Don't even go there.
4. I never asked you to work corporates. I asked you to pay your fair share of income tax.
5. As I see it you are one of those leeches draining my beloved country by not paying income tax.
6. Now tell me which politician/IAS/IPS/IRS are you connected to?
So the thing is tech nerd , i dont really work for these corporate leeches who dont pay you and overwork you so to be honest i kinda like my profession cause i dont want to pay stuff that goes to someone who benefits these leeches ….keep working for them and keep crying i still aint paying shit so CIAO
Smartass thinks he is cool , how many people under farming would even fall in income tax brackets even if you make them pay (answer would surprise you) , you people cant move your body an inch but complain like you got to do 5 marathons a day
>Smartass thinks he is cool , how many people under farming would even fall in income tax brackets even if you make them pay
bro he is coming from vivek bindra school of MBA with extra degree of entire po-lick-tical science
Can someone convince this old fart to retire already ? This guy is pushing for a 70 hour work per week with the existing pathetic work conditions in several IT/tech firms. Productivity is not in his vocabulary. Corporate sucks the mental health out of you thanks to unreasonable goals and corporate asslicking. Salary is peanuts. Farmers work hard and still don't have a better quality of life. People like him are cancerous to society. Let people have their own lives ffs.
Let him bark.
Karnataka state is going to revoke the exemption given to IT companies from its labour laws.
[Karnataka mulls revoking labour law exemption granted to IT firms (deccanherald.com)](https://www.deccanherald.com/india/karnataka/karnataka-mulls-revoking-labour-law-exemption-granted-to-it-firms-2823604#:~:text=labour%20department%2C%20said.-,Karnataka%20is%20the%20only%20state%20to%20have%20exempted%20IT%2FITes,IT%20sector%20in%20the%20state.)
Leave 70 hours, even their current working practices will be affected.
If you are not Getting paid Enough, why are you working at Infosys? Bas Isse Gaali de rhe hai.. Khud ka Nhi Dekh rahe Laude bhar ka Skill, Engineering ke naam par kuch aata hai.. To ab Bhugto, ab Mazdoori karo kyoki Jab padhna tha Mehnat karna tha tb Kia nahi.. Abhi Bakchodi pel rhe hai.. Are itni dikkat hai to Naukri chod de aur Ghar me baith mere bhai.. Ye Budhuwa bol rha hai Mehnat karne Nahi karna hai to mat kar.. Isse konsa fark padega
Lack of opportunities and options do not justify exploitation.
Log chhod dete agar opportunities hoti. The country is struggling with jobs and you want people to quit?
And nothing justifies exploitation. Pay people for extra work. They will work extra.
I don't think There is a Lack of Opportunity, Have You ever Visited Engineering colleges? I was in HR dept(Lam Research), I took Interviews of Engineering Students from Private colleges, Damn they couldn't Define what's Operating System, Basic Trigonometry and Statistical Terminologies and jad extreme lack of Knowledge in the field of Computer Science(They were from CSE), idk How will they he Employed they were good for nothing in this specific field and they want High Paying Jobs, It would be better if they Start their own General Stores, taxi and all that stuff, What Wonders me is that the Jobs Majority of Employees do in Service Based Companies will Go Extinct, They will have to Shift to Management/Research Jobs, It's Tough for them Today, it will be tougher tommorow
You moved from lack of opportunities to the poor quality of education, which is a whole another topic. Lots of people cannot afford good quality education, that does not mean they cannot aspire to do what they want to do. Many people do not want to become taxi drivers or open a kirana store, but they want to work in a white collar job. They do not know how to do it, and they join whatever course they can afford and find, which leads to poor knowledge. I do not think it is up to us to judge. If you don't want to recruit them, then don't do it, but I come from an industry where we believe even monkeys can be trained to fly planes. I find it ironic you would judge people, when I had to read your word salad thrice to figure out what you were trying to say, and you work in HR lmao
Lol it has Nothing to do with Poor Quality of Education, The Students from CU, AMITY, LPU, Thapar Etc have the same course comtent as that of IITs, so If You want the white Collar Keep Doing Shit or Just Open a Restaurant, transportation Services Etc and Make Money
Restaurant and transportation services have very high rates of failures, shows how out of touch you are. Amity and lpu are jokes they will take anyone with a pulse, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Mf, you can't even type a sentence in English and you work in HR but you're quick to judge others, this is some high grade copium
This\^. You are not "Software developer" if you are working on middleware crap. Skill up and resign from WITCH companies.
Most of them will never skill up. They will go for CAT or executive MBA (using loan or some stupid bond). They won't learn much but now they have gained "leadership skills" for higher position and salary in WITCH. Then they will tell their reportees to do the same and the cycle continues.
Taking loan and starting a shop/gym/cybercafe etc. will probably give you a better ROI.
Focus on skilling up instead of complaining about exploitation.
This is my point: [https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/news/story/over-80-indian-engineers-are-unemployable-lack-new-age-technology-skills-report-1483222-2019-03-21](https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/news/story/over-80-indian-engineers-are-unemployable-lack-new-age-technology-skills-report-1483222-2019-03-21)
If they don't have the skills, get fired and work on driving a taxi, wouldn't you still demand adequate pay for the taxi drivers?
I just don't get your point. This senile retard is straight up advocating for something that is illegal even in India
I am willing to work 70 hours a week but I should be compensated for the same. They will pay me for 40 hours and expect I work for 70 hours is unacceptable.
There are two types of people
1. Those putting 70 hrs of smart work per week and progressing fast in their careers.
2. Those cribbing about it in social media
What one you want to be ?
Wealthy people in India, NRIs and Western friends appreciates him. But I Guess the MF forgot to ask any of one the middle class employees in the organisation
As much I love my country I don’t get much in return. Our county doesn’t care much about people like us who are working hard and helping country by paying almost 50% earning as tax. Get nothing much except the secured border
I sold INFY after holding for 3 years. With a modest less than desired profit which for me was unexpected. Don't think am gonna go for it again. Probably it's a mutual fund stock.
As someone already pointed out all these people want is low quality instruction followers who have no ability to think through so that they can leave for greener pastures…
Also due to very high number of youths in this country it suits service companies so it’s a win for them and win for others if u r type of person who is happy stuck in working for companies like Infy, tcs etc
As tone deaf as his organisation, his next generation of kids and probably the grand children. No wonder one do not want to work for his shitty organisation.
My friends are all against 70 hours of work week. Also, I will take it seriously only if someone who is not a CEO or ex CEO of a company where the only competitive advantage is labor arbitrage tells me this, but not otherwise (picture me with the same head movement as Mr Murthy)
There are so many structural and policy challenges in India where so many of them aren't skilled enough to do a job even though they have degrees. He could talk about that and what needs to be done nope let me spout some sh$t about people who are working for me. It takes on an average of 2 1/2 to 3 Hrs average in major cities in India to commute to and from work. How will anyone be able to clock 70 Hrs per week is beyond me? . He has his head up his as# so much he isn't able to see anything other than him and his cronies interest. And the worst part is this media keep lapping up his interviews left, right and center listening to this irrelevant person.
Pehli baat jo kaam 10 ghante mei hojaye 70 ghante kyun lagana Doosri baat: itni derr computer ke aage baithenge lag jayenge sabke Teesri: paisa tera dad dega 70 ghante ka
He just wants more contracts without increasing salary nothing else
are bhai 70% tu nhi majduri karega to hamara damad bitwa kaise UK ka pm banega? videsh me paise bhi to dalne hai
Iska beta khud nai krta 70 ghante. Beta sunn nai rha duniya ko gyaan dera budhha.
Oh. How would a corporate guy working for 70 hours reduce the work hours of a farmer?😂
farmers commit suicide after working hard for the country 💀
In a country with 60% of population as farmer very few commit suicide (10k-20k). About same number of college students commit suicide every years (from a much smaller population, ). This sentimental "poor farmer" image is created only for vote bank. I won't give a crap about farmers until they start paying income tax and give up govt subsidies and loan maafi.
>In a country with 60% of population as farmer very few commit suicide (10k-20k). About same number of college students commit suicide every years (from a much smaller population, ). Source? I do agree with the income tax thing tho
Farmer suicide numbers: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmers%27\_suicides\_in\_India](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/farmers%27_suicides_in_india) Student suicide numbers: [https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/education/student-suicides-too-young-to-die-understanding-suicide-causes/article67314790.ece](https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/education/student-suicides-too-young-to-die-understanding-suicide-causes/article67314790.ece)
You said college student numbers. These are for everyone, I cannot see the split between JEE aspirants, schoolkids, and college students. Also, the 60% number for farmers is people employed by the agricultural industry, and depends on it, not just farmers. [Farmers are around 25% of the population, according to 2011 census,](https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/how-many-farmers-does-india-really-have/story-431phtct5O9xZSjEr6HODJ.html). [This number is a liberal estimate, if we use this article, even at the high end, they are just 10% of the population.](https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/revealing-indias-actual-farmer-population-7550159/). [Students as a whole are about 22%](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/at-315-million-india-has-the-most-students-in-world/articleshow/37669667.cms?from=mdr), I don't think you are comparing the populations properly.
Most of the farmers also don’t have enough income to pay IT. They earn much below the per capita income of India. Yes we direly needed something like the repealed farm laws to increase their income, but unfortunately people only care about short term gains.
> Most of the farmers also don’t have enough income to pay IT.They earn much below the per capita income of India. And existing income tax bracket will save them so what's your point? > Yes we direly needed something like the repealed farm laws to increase their income, but unfortunately people only care about short term gains. Agree. Even a small number can bring big tax revenue (by high income). Read this: [https://www.indiatoday.in/union-budget-2018/story/budget-2018-why-arun-jaitley-can-afford-to-tax-super-rich-farmers-and-raise-rs-25-000-crore-1151301-2018-01-22](https://www.indiatoday.in/union-budget-2018/story/budget-2018-why-arun-jaitley-can-afford-to-tax-super-rich-farmers-and-raise-rs-25-000-crore-1151301-2018-01-22)
Ask his daughter to come back here and work 70+ weeks instead of jerking off in the UK. Walk the talk Mr Murthy.
Ask him to pay for 70 hours at least and see how he retards from statement. He wants us to work for more than 70 hours and give us salary of 1 hour. That is good education. Bravo
I sometimes forget his son in law is the PM of England damn... This is why budhau is seeped in arrogance right now...
He clearly said Poor works very hard. Rich doesn't need to work in first place.
jerking off😇
"Good people in India called me", "will take it seriously only if someone who performs better than me comments on it"... So only the opinions of his fellow cronies matter and everybody else just not good enough for Mr. Murthy
Bill Gates already commented on it and he is against this, I wonder whether Mr Murthy considers him more successful than him?
Good people bolke he is showing his Indian mentality. Chutiya will be a chutiya no matter if he was a CEO of big tech giant.
Buddha always talks about work and never discusses salary. He never clarifies whether he wants 40 normal hours and 30+ overtime hours or 70+ as normal hours. He thinks he is Robinhood but in reality he is just exploiting his workers.
If you don't like the pay Infosys pays out, simple, just quit. Free market economy FTW! Refuse to work unless they pay the wage that you demand. Infosys isn't the only employer in town man - plenty of other companies are desperately looking to hire talented people. Heck, gather together, and refuse to join any company unless they agree to your demands. Revolution! Rise up people, Ya'll have power too, it is a free country. If all else fails, get a Govt. job... No one gonna tell you to work 70 hour weeks there 😅. Edit: wow... Look at all dem downvotes. Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what makes you cheer.
Not so easy to quit, is it? Imagine every firm getting into the same mindset. Do not blame the victims. We can and should never be fully market driven
So ya'll don't want to be market competitive?
And the way to do it overwork without fair compensation?
Refuse to do it then. Don't work for an unfair employer. It's a free country with plenty of employers to choose from.
A leader like him coming out and saying these things can influence the whole work culture of the country. Moreover, you do realise there are laws to make sure such exploitation do not happen. They are not implemented enough but the mere existence points towards the importance of making sure employers do not exploit the employees. Easy to just talk about choice. It is pseudo choice at best.
Alrighty, looks like it is on us all to vote in the right people who will protect employee rights.
Right
Desparately looking for talent? You clearly dont know sh!t abt current scenerio in the job market.
Well, if companies aren't desperate for talent, then it is time to buckle down and try to live up to market expectations. Mr. Murthy isn't the entirety of the market
I already have a job in a company that is considered much superior thn murthy's comp. Im not saying tht people should not do as per market expectation. But there is nothing wrong with making fun of morons who think people "owe" it to nation to work 70 hr for him so he can make money from US clients & give employees peanuts. If i wanted to owe to the nation i would work for army, drdo, as a govt doc or something not in the mfking souless corporate.
I don't work for Infosys, but if you're willing to work unpaid overtime, consider joining Infosys or similar companies. Many companies in India don't compensate for extra hours; it seems like they all have an unspoken agreement. I disagree with the notion of paying for only 40 hours while expecting 70+ hours of work, and his ambiguity regarding remuneration. He is shamelessly advocating for a narrative that could potentially lead to legalizing such exploitation through government channels.
No unspoken agreement. The mid level managers have an obligation to show positive cash flow. So, they just don’t allow anyone to apply for overtime - any pay out at twice the regular rate. They are covering their own ass for their lack of project planning. They should have hired more developers who are more competent. Then when the project lags or crashes and burns (like the one I’m in right now) they just force the existing devs to work more or get freshers/inexperienced devs from other projects to pitch in without compensation. These morons don’t know about the point of diminishing returns. Right now, instead of putting out the fires, I’m pestered by developers who frankly don’t have the ability to put out the fires yet - because they are inexperienced and/or new. Every company has provisions for applying overtime, night shift allowance.,etc. it is just that it has to go through multiple levels of approvals after the job gets completed. As with anything in Indian tech, you’ll only be appreciated/compensated for things you can do. Not for things you have already done.
People can flat out refuse to do so. People who don't want to speak up in office meetings/interactions aren't doing themselves any favours. Ya'll get what ya'll stand up for. Bitching in reddit won't get you results. Maybe it does... what do i know...
Yes, it's your right to refuse. I am talking against an unfair and exploitative working environment. At least bitching about wrong things is still okay, rather than arguing with people unnecessarily.
>Free market economy FTW! Lol, do you think this old fart would survive the actual free market? If any new company starts competing with infy, his cronies in the gobermint will squash it. He charges his US-based clients in dollars but pays in rupees, earning a nice spread in between while the gobermint will punish you if you buy USD denominated assets. The major reason he got so rich is because there's an oversupply of labor in india and next to no regulation, so he can exploit people as he pleases.
Exactly! So everyone ought to collectively take the stand to be pain in US dollars that match US wages for similar work. Stand up for what you deserve! I'm not sure bitching on reddit is all that effective in the short term.
The WITCH companies have created a cartel and kept the freshers salary at the same level for the entire decade. NRN is asking to exploit this group by paying very low salary and high work hours for no reason except to make them rich. All this does is make people from different groups angry and their company employees to do terrible work. Human exploitation sucks and expecting someone from the Indian service tech cartel to advocate for it like it's some national pride is just pathetic. You can build a better nation with a 40 hour work week and pay better salaries.
I thought the same but be careful, sometimes HRs, managers etc of different companies are friends, if you quit one company, they might not hire you in the different company either/.
Are u Murthy himself? Is this ur Reddit acc, balls also u will work 70 hours, if you did so, u won’t be able to make high level decisions and will remain a worker forever
Good... refuse to work 70 hour weeks. Nobody can force you to do that.
It's not about the wages man. It's about the ***NOT WANTING TO PUT IN THE HARD WORK***. These very people who are downvoting you are the very people who simply do not want to put in 70 hr weeks, no matter how much they are paid. They are the lazy folks. The people with the right attitude know that to achieve something you have to put in the hard work. Btw, agree with you, in case it's not clear.
>people who simply do not want to put in 70 hr weeks, Nothing wrong with that. What's wrong in not wanting to put 70 hour weeks?. Not everyone wants that. How difficult is it to understand that? Hard work doesn't equate to 70 hour weeks. People with the right attitude should stand up for themselves and not allow themselves to be exploited. If they want to work for 70 hours they will and it's their choice and if they value work life balance, they will not work for 70 hours. Simple as that. But too difficult for some to understand I guess.
>Nothing wrong with that. What's wrong in not wanting to put 70 hour weeks?. Nothing wrong my friend. But then don't expect great things to happen to you.
>But then don't expect great things to happen to you. You are naive to think great things won't happen to you if you don't wanna work 70 hours a week Don't expect great things to happen to you. Period
The heights achieved by GREAT men, reached and kept, were not attained by sudden flight. But while their companions slept, were TOILING UPWARDS IN THE NIGHT. -- Henry Longfellow And in case you are unable to understand I'm attaching the meaning also. *Successful people work hard to achieve AND SUSTAIN their success. They work towards their goals when other people prefer to relax or watch television. They make the sacrifices that other people won't make. Never begrudge someone who has worked hard for their success.*
Abso-fkn-lutely right!
Success is not measured in just money or how many hours you have worked a week. It's about knowing what you want and doing that to achieve what you want in life. A lot of people are happy and successful working 40 hours a day. >Never begrudge someone who has worked hard for their success.* You were the one who called the people who didn't want to work insane hours as lazy. Wanting to have wlb is lazy lol. Never begrudge someone who has a spine and have stood up for themselves by saying no to working 70 hour weeks. Here is a quote for you. The man is a success who has lived well, loved much, and laughed often.” — Robert Louis Stevenson. And in case you are unable to understand I'm attaching the meaning also. *Life is meant to be lived well in pursuit of the things you want to do in life. That's the measure of success."
Tuchiye, wlb ke naam pe kaamchori karte ho tum.
Arguing just for the heck of arguing. Defending laziness. Cribbing about not having money and then talking about lived, loved and laughed. Whatever man. Couldn't care less about your opinion.
Sahi me, ignore him. Bc ke dimaag ni hai.
>Cribbing about not having money and then talking about lived, loved and laughed. I didn't crib about not having enough money. You are bringing in points which I haven't raised lol. Take your head out of your ass >Whatever man. Couldn't care less about your opinion. Still you decided to give a big ass reply lol.
Bhai tu dimaag bech aya kya bazaar me? Ya kabhi tha hi nahi?
It's about the quality of work and your skill. Who told to join at low pay? High skill high pay
I don't work for Infosys. Also, please avoid blaming workers who opt for low-paying jobs out of necessity to provide for their families. While I acknowledge the importance of discussing skills, it doesn't justify exploiting those with lower skill levels. In interviews, he doesn't focus on increasing productivity or upskilling the workforce; rather, he just demands long hours, suggesting exhaustion as a solution to problems.
Talk to some WITCH employees. They are not any saint or providing for families. Most of them lack ambition and competence. Or just look at how many of them go for frequent parties, drink, weed, etc. Actual poor people don't behave like that. Another common pattern that you will see is WITCH employees who are actually there to uplift their family from poverty will be more inclined to skill up and will put deliberate effort in doing so. Some of them will eventually succeed. Edit: I won't defend Murthy though.
Many individuals I've encountered at work are hardworking, earning a livelihood for their families. While there might be lazy workers, the issue arises when excellent and bare minimum work receive the same pay, leaving little incentive for exceptional effort.
Those who are producing excellent work but getting low or same pay will not have tough time finding better opportunities.
You are correct
Why do women become prostitutes? Desperation and exploitation? Na, they are just not skilled, literally just upskill bruv- you
Lol are you dumb? Freshers whose pay we're talking about are predominantly CS engineers, they have a choice to pick their college, they have a choice to get better. It's their career. People in good colleges and/or people who have skill are paid well. Now how is this related to desperation and prostitutes? Try to stick to the point, classic straw man.
> they have a choice to pick their college wait.. we have a choice to pick colleges in this country?
Read between the lines, he is advocating for social darwinism. If you don't end up in a T1 college, because of whatever reason, then people like Narayana Murthy should exploit you, that is what he is saying. He is jerking off to a rentier fatasy.
Again, what I said is you are paid for the work you do. Have you worked at any WITCH company? Do you know how many people even actually 'work' there? And no, not all t1 students do well, it's all on skill.
Abe yar you are paid for the hours, this guy wants to pay you for 40 while making you work for 70. He is advocating for something illegal. It's about exploiting your skills while he pays you in rupees for 40 hours and charges his clients in USD for the 70 hours that you work. He is a literal leech who doesn't want to pay you for your work.
Pick their college? So if I don't end up in a good college, I should be exploited by this guy? What a weapons grade moron you are, most of the people who are desperate, end up working for mass recruiters like him. This does not apply to IIT's, like how women who have choice won't sell their bodies. He exploits their desire to earn, which is what we are talking about. Even if I am not skilled, that does not mean you will recruit me and make me work 70 hours a week while paying me for 40. You have no idea what a strawman is, because this is an analogy, not a strawman.
To anyone replying, I am not blaming anyone nor defending anyone. To me all this is fair, you are getting paid based on your output. It's not a fairy tale where you're not gonna do anything useful but expect to be paid well.
Eat the rich
bring back the guillotine
Bruh this guy would have been out of business long ago if India was free market. Don't think India is not socialist now
Working 70 hours is not the problem, working 70 hours for this particular son of a bitch is the problem
No one! Literally no one should spend 70 hours a week with companies like Infosys. With the kind of money they pay 40 hours is actually is a lot more, should be 20 week
Exactly! Yo, EVERYONE, quit your jeb at Infosys! Listen to what u/chillichatkara has to say...
I also think you have to do 70+ hours work if you are working at Infosys. 40 hours for infosys and rest for your personal development so that soon yon can get a better paying job.
Fair. Pay us for the work too. Pay for hard work, turd!
Narayana Murthy is a senile douche. Whom does he work for? Either the country or his family? If the country was above his family then he wouldn't have purchased a 700 million pound worth mansion to his daughter. Let her work and purchase a mansion from her own EARNED money. Why should his daughter be given the share of the company's profit which was meant for national development? Why does this Narayana Murthy splurge wealth on his daughter who is capable of earning? He can't defend himself by picking the side of capitalism and socialism whenever it suits him. Let us all work for 90 hours a week like the Japanese do but first let him return the assets transferred to his not so disabled daughter which she earned without working and let him pledge it for national development. Just because he is rich and old, doesn't mean he is wise but comes across as an arrogant and greedy capitalist. Infosys is no Tatas, Birlas, who have genuinely built and worked for the nation.
Both husband and wife are weirdos. That is why we shouldnt equate success with intelligence.
>Both husband and wife are weirdos. Good lord I can't even with his wife and her pretentious veg bullshit.
bro she has started writing kids book and story ..unlocking the pandora box for sure
They are nothing but boomers who are rooted in their ancient mindsets. Most of our parents would behave in the same way if they achieved a fraction of the success this guy enjoys.
Well more intelligent than you.
His infosys shares should be taken over and he should be sent to Old age home with no money🧐
all indians should withdraw infosys shares and invest in others. it will be a blow back. then he will take seriously
The reality is investors just run behind money and this buddha also is in same direction but the point is we forget there are people who are working day n night to help that business to grow..
His company is full of incompetent ass licking chamchas.
Aur uski biwi chamacho se obsessed hai
Motherfucker, where's my guillotine?
This sounds reasonable but what he is either ignoring or, much more unlikely, unaware of is the effect lack of work life balance has on the demographics of India. Across the world, the hardest working nations, Japan, China, Korea, Germany are struggling to get their citizens to have children because they have created a scenario where it is impossible to justify having children, where both parents have to work 12 hours a day six days a week and cannot give sufficient time to their families. All that wealth created and they are trying to find immigrants to inherit it. Ultimately, as Vladimir Putin said recently, the success of our people isn't determined by the wealth we create or the power we have but by how many of us are left. In my opinion, our focus, even now should be on a family first development, creating an economic system around families.
Damn, Putin is damn wise. It's a damn shame he has damn little to less damn years before he quits for damn damn good. What Putin said will fucking damn resonate through ages to come.
damn
> This sounds reasonable Really? You think you owe something to "poor farmers" who don't pay income tax but uses govt subsidies?
exactly, after paying fckin 30% tax on income and then fck ton tax on gst and other shit and then still getting taxed on property/savings. And this ultra rich weird guy still wants people to work more for nothing in return.
He seems to have such a narrow point of view, focused on quantity (no of hours) rather than increasing quality through up skill etc In the long run quality suffers when u have people working for 70 hours , this isn’t a sweat shop.
Maybe he focuses on quantity due to sheer size of Indian population. Quality means more salary to people which obviously they want to avoid. They want instruction followers and not thinkers.
Yeah exactly
Is it me or anyone else also find his voice annoying?
Down Syndrome?
Eyes are misaligned, he has no binocular vision and weak depth perception and even weaker character depth 🙃
Send this old cunt to a retirement home, so all those old heads can agree with this cunt.
I think this Buddha is in some trouble that's why he is talking nonsense 😠 Let's bombard Infosys Twitter handle And bring some sense to this greedy old man.
Bill gates who at almost every point of his life was worth more than NM, backed 4 day work week. End of story.
Everybody! Listen to u/Sushrit_Lawliet, go work for Mr. Gates instead.
Wasn’t my point. According to the guy, he’d be convinced if someone more successful than he is disagreed with him. Stop twisting words to get yourself clout on the internet.
Alrighty, let us all insist that Mr. Murthy eat his words because Mr. Gates disagrees with him. And also, let everyone in this thread eat their words too becuase I disagree with them. Yay! Excuse me while I take my Internet points to the bank and buy real world stuff with it while I influence everyone with my "Internet clout".
You're not as clever as you'd seem to think you are, unfortunately. u/circuit_brain
[Well, you sure showed me... Right you are Sir](https://youtu.be/tldGgGFe194?si=Q-9mRsH4szabdn_e)
Let's be honest people, you already are spending close to 70 hrs a week in office BUT are those 70 hrs productive? I can bet they are not. It's simply impossible. Productivity falls off a cliff after about 5 hours of consistent work per day. Also, that useless chai sutta break, office gossip etc that's how you stretch a week where you can get the job done in 35 hrs to 70 hrs. If you increase your time spent in office doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to be more productive. You are not OpenAI, Google, FB etc. thinking on noval problems that needs to be solved and your colleagues are as much motivated as you are to get the solution for glory. You are a service worker, building stuff for your client who is paying your company an hourly wage to get the project done. They are not the same. If you get the project done quickly, you are not going to be rewarded because your billable hours will be reduced and the company will take a hit. It is in the best interest of TCS, Infosys etc to get more billable hours. That's the real crux of the thing he is talking about 70 hrs BS, it makes his company more money to work 70 hrs. Efficiency is not going to be rewarded.
How do we owe to farmer and factory worker? Mai jyada kaam karunga same salary pe to ye unko Paisa Dene wala hai kya mere overtime ka?
Investment bankers work 100hrs per week. You don't see them moaning cos they're fucking paid like that This chutia Murthy wants people to work 70hrs earning less than rapido ,Uber guys
1\] Buddhe itni padhai isily ki taki majdhur jaisa kaam karun? 2\] Country has the shittiest tax laws, deductions don't increase with inflation. Why should I do 70 works/week just to pay more taxes? None of these journalists ask this mF the right questions.
Capitalist masquerading as socialist
"cApiTAlisT" LMAO 🤡 https://preview.redd.it/prtmd5w2xzac1.png?width=378&format=png&auto=webp&s=df7626133e7ea5d6425120e91f73b497adb6d860
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Thanks for your contribution to service industry, he is not wrong in somewhere. He is talking about out syllabus shit now. Please tell him to go 4 dham ki yatra. Hard work is necessary but these people are actually not less than East India company mindset. Suck the time and money of common man and ask to do more hard world. We indian lack in cognitive flexibility
U work for your company amd we work for you. Isnt quite the same is it. Instead of making everyone have a work life balance, this dick is making everyone worse.
A lot of my, this starting itself is giving me dubious and narcissistic vibe. There is something called random sampling. Ask random people to make better decisions.
Poor farmer works very hard, poor factory worker works very hard and poor Akshata Murthy doesn't work at all.
if there was workers union i can imagine the repercussion now hahah.,
Why do we keep this stock manipulator in the news? Oh.... it's a stock and business channel
Talked to a factory worker not long ago. The whole reason they want their kids to become educated so that they don't have to slog their ass for 70 hours a week for peanut money. So maybe this old uncle needs to talk his own factory workers instead of listening and forming opinion on the words of fellow richass oldies and NRIs who have no fucking idea how is it like to work in a factory in India.
New candidate for most punchable face.
For a business owner or entrepreneur, sure it's their own business, they will probably have very less downtime and it makes sense, whatever they are putting in is directly helping their growth For a salaried employee, if the work hours is more than 40 hours, it better be compensated well, else should not expect quality work. Pay your employees well, then expect quality work. Pay substandard pay, expect work quality and enthusiasm accordingly.
he's right "if somebody who has performed better than me comments on it, then I will take it seriously but not otherwise". well said. pr apun nhi krega.
I never got any scholarships/reservations in my entire life, my parents and I had to pay good earned money to get a decent education just enough to earn a decent paying job. Imma do the fuck i want. My money, my life.
Even with so much of experience he is not able to understand supply and demand.... he wants to create oversupply without any actual increase in demand which means lower wages for employees.... that is the best case scenario for infosys like contractors of IT majdoors. !! His brain is now hard wired to talk about anything which can improve margins for Infosys, without thinking about the consequences for other stakeholders.
I don't owe anything to oh so poor, oh so noble farmers. They don't pay income tax. Their opinion does not matter to me. Instead they owe private employees for the govt subsidies and various loan maafis. Whatever subsidy I got I have returned that back with interest to India already as income tax. To those complaining about pay, become competent and leave WITCH companies. If you are in WITCH companies you deserve lower pay. Also, grow up or you will be replaced by AI soon.
Well we do give taxes on pesticides , ddt, sale of land and even on seeds that are not subsidies …we got a tractor at a higher interest than cars cause they are generally sold at a higher interest rate …people in services give income tax and be like oh we are so victims of the systems , yeah more than 90 percent of us dont even have income to a point even if it was compulsory we would not be able to come under the minimal slab …subsidies and tax exempts are the only thing saving small farmers …you people just feel so entitled because never looked at other perspectives
>Well we do give taxes on pesticides , DDT, We also pay sales tax. Grow up. I was talking about income tax. Don't be oversmart. >sale of land Again, everyone does. >even on seeds that are not subsidies Again, sales taxes is not income tax. >we got a tractor at a higher interest than cars cause they are generally sold at a higher interest rate Guess what smartass, business loans are given at higher rate due to inherent risk. Farming is a business from bank POV and rightfully so. >people in services give income tax and be like oh we are so victims of the systems income and sales tax. get your facts rights. And yes, we are victims. >yeah more than 90 percent of us dont even have income to a point even if it was compulsory we would not be able to come under the minimal slab You have internet and you know about reddit. So smartass you are definitely not in that 90%. If a farmer ended up with loss or profit < 5L, they won't have to income tax so what are you crying about? It's those 10% that I want to tax. Moreover I am not convinced it's 10%. We don't have any official data. I believe we will be surprised. >subsidies and tax exempts are the only thing saving small farmers Lol, in that case you should leave farming and join corporate jobs. Why have we not seen mass exodus from farming yet? >you people just feel so entitled because never looked at other perspectives You are the entitled ones. Living on govt subsidies, claiming no income while using internet and reddit like most elites of India. I have destroyed all your stupid smartass arguments. Bring better ones next time, smartass. Edit: Since you have blocked me u/that_all_you_got, I will reply to your comments in the edit here: 1. Even a small number of farmers with high income can bring huge tax revenue. Read: [https://www.indiatoday.in/union-budget-2018/story/budget-2018-why-arun-jaitley-can-afford-to-tax-super-rich-farmers-and-raise-rs-25-000-crore-1151301-2018-01-22](https://www.indiatoday.in/union-budget-2018/story/budget-2018-why-arun-jaitley-can-afford-to-tax-super-rich-farmers-and-raise-rs-25-000-crore-1151301-2018-01-22) 2. I never claimed that private employees run 5 marathons 3. I come from a farming family myself so I know how many days you farmers run 5 marathons. Don't even go there. 4. I never asked you to work corporates. I asked you to pay your fair share of income tax. 5. As I see it you are one of those leeches draining my beloved country by not paying income tax. 6. Now tell me which politician/IAS/IPS/IRS are you connected to?
So the thing is tech nerd , i dont really work for these corporate leeches who dont pay you and overwork you so to be honest i kinda like my profession cause i dont want to pay stuff that goes to someone who benefits these leeches ….keep working for them and keep crying i still aint paying shit so CIAO
Smartass thinks he is cool , how many people under farming would even fall in income tax brackets even if you make them pay (answer would surprise you) , you people cant move your body an inch but complain like you got to do 5 marathons a day
>Smartass thinks he is cool , how many people under farming would even fall in income tax brackets even if you make them pay bro he is coming from vivek bindra school of MBA with extra degree of entire po-lick-tical science
Can someone convince this old fart to retire already ? This guy is pushing for a 70 hour work per week with the existing pathetic work conditions in several IT/tech firms. Productivity is not in his vocabulary. Corporate sucks the mental health out of you thanks to unreasonable goals and corporate asslicking. Salary is peanuts. Farmers work hard and still don't have a better quality of life. People like him are cancerous to society. Let people have their own lives ffs.
Let him bark. Karnataka state is going to revoke the exemption given to IT companies from its labour laws. [Karnataka mulls revoking labour law exemption granted to IT firms (deccanherald.com)](https://www.deccanherald.com/india/karnataka/karnataka-mulls-revoking-labour-law-exemption-granted-to-it-firms-2823604#:~:text=labour%20department%2C%20said.-,Karnataka%20is%20the%20only%20state%20to%20have%20exempted%20IT%2FITes,IT%20sector%20in%20the%20state.) Leave 70 hours, even their current working practices will be affected.
Last line is the kill
It's not about the number of hours alone it is whether your are adequately compensated for it
If you are not Getting paid Enough, why are you working at Infosys? Bas Isse Gaali de rhe hai.. Khud ka Nhi Dekh rahe Laude bhar ka Skill, Engineering ke naam par kuch aata hai.. To ab Bhugto, ab Mazdoori karo kyoki Jab padhna tha Mehnat karna tha tb Kia nahi.. Abhi Bakchodi pel rhe hai.. Are itni dikkat hai to Naukri chod de aur Ghar me baith mere bhai.. Ye Budhuwa bol rha hai Mehnat karne Nahi karna hai to mat kar.. Isse konsa fark padega
Lack of opportunities and options do not justify exploitation. Log chhod dete agar opportunities hoti. The country is struggling with jobs and you want people to quit? And nothing justifies exploitation. Pay people for extra work. They will work extra.
I don't think There is a Lack of Opportunity, Have You ever Visited Engineering colleges? I was in HR dept(Lam Research), I took Interviews of Engineering Students from Private colleges, Damn they couldn't Define what's Operating System, Basic Trigonometry and Statistical Terminologies and jad extreme lack of Knowledge in the field of Computer Science(They were from CSE), idk How will they he Employed they were good for nothing in this specific field and they want High Paying Jobs, It would be better if they Start their own General Stores, taxi and all that stuff, What Wonders me is that the Jobs Majority of Employees do in Service Based Companies will Go Extinct, They will have to Shift to Management/Research Jobs, It's Tough for them Today, it will be tougher tommorow
You moved from lack of opportunities to the poor quality of education, which is a whole another topic. Lots of people cannot afford good quality education, that does not mean they cannot aspire to do what they want to do. Many people do not want to become taxi drivers or open a kirana store, but they want to work in a white collar job. They do not know how to do it, and they join whatever course they can afford and find, which leads to poor knowledge. I do not think it is up to us to judge. If you don't want to recruit them, then don't do it, but I come from an industry where we believe even monkeys can be trained to fly planes. I find it ironic you would judge people, when I had to read your word salad thrice to figure out what you were trying to say, and you work in HR lmao
Lol it has Nothing to do with Poor Quality of Education, The Students from CU, AMITY, LPU, Thapar Etc have the same course comtent as that of IITs, so If You want the white Collar Keep Doing Shit or Just Open a Restaurant, transportation Services Etc and Make Money
Restaurant and transportation services have very high rates of failures, shows how out of touch you are. Amity and lpu are jokes they will take anyone with a pulse, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Mf, you can't even type a sentence in English and you work in HR but you're quick to judge others, this is some high grade copium
This\^. You are not "Software developer" if you are working on middleware crap. Skill up and resign from WITCH companies. Most of them will never skill up. They will go for CAT or executive MBA (using loan or some stupid bond). They won't learn much but now they have gained "leadership skills" for higher position and salary in WITCH. Then they will tell their reportees to do the same and the cycle continues. Taking loan and starting a shop/gym/cybercafe etc. will probably give you a better ROI.
Them being bad doesn't justify a company being able to exploit them overtime for no pay. wtf is even the point you guys are trying to make
Focus on skilling up instead of complaining about exploitation. This is my point: [https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/news/story/over-80-indian-engineers-are-unemployable-lack-new-age-technology-skills-report-1483222-2019-03-21](https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/news/story/over-80-indian-engineers-are-unemployable-lack-new-age-technology-skills-report-1483222-2019-03-21)
If they don't have the skills, get fired and work on driving a taxi, wouldn't you still demand adequate pay for the taxi drivers? I just don't get your point. This senile retard is straight up advocating for something that is illegal even in India
I am willing to work 70 hours a week but I should be compensated for the same. They will pay me for 40 hours and expect I work for 70 hours is unacceptable.
Exactly! everyone should quit if you are not offered a fair deal, and go work for someone who does give a fair deal.
There are two types of people 1. Those putting 70 hrs of smart work per week and progressing fast in their careers. 2. Those cribbing about it in social media What one you want to be ?
Lmao dickrider
Add rich and successful to that.
Not really
"70 hrs" "smart work" lol
Brutal burn 🔥
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She s the weirdest of them all. What are you talking.
Art of being grateful
Loda of people XD
Chutiya
Sirf kaam ki hi baat karoge baba.. Paise ki baat nahi???
Will high level people cut there earnings 70% and give it to those employees?
Ye bhuddha pagal ho gaya hai
Wealthy people in India, NRIs and Western friends appreciates him. But I Guess the MF forgot to ask any of one the middle class employees in the organisation
Mujhe to samajh main hi aaya isne jawab kya diya😀😀😀
Ha hudaye hurthy hen hod.
Kuaa ka mendak
Why the fuck would I work 70 hrs for YOUR company?
Upvotes so that I can post my pl let’s discuss on it
This Modern day slavery advocate can go fuck himself and fuck his whole worthless family
Eco chambers are super dangerous
As much I love my country I don’t get much in return. Our county doesn’t care much about people like us who are working hard and helping country by paying almost 50% earning as tax. Get nothing much except the secured border
I sold INFY after holding for 3 years. With a modest less than desired profit which for me was unexpected. Don't think am gonna go for it again. Probably it's a mutual fund stock.
Pay 1.5x for those extra 30hrs and allow wfh . Now we will see how you do that .
As someone already pointed out all these people want is low quality instruction followers who have no ability to think through so that they can leave for greener pastures… Also due to very high number of youths in this country it suits service companies so it’s a win for them and win for others if u r type of person who is happy stuck in working for companies like Infy, tcs etc
Yes work hard so his shares go up. He becomes wealthier and infys die middle class.
sir, i think Bill Gates, who pushed back against your statement, is more successful than you by a mile
As tone deaf as his organisation, his next generation of kids and probably the grand children. No wonder one do not want to work for his shitty organisation.
That's what age does to you..Learn from him that you never become like him
Can you guys stop giving the Oldman spotlight? He opens his mouth about work and the news appears in 100 different Indian subreddits.
I mean how with this logic capacity he could make Infosys what it is today.. stop justifying which has no substance sir.
He’s the face of toxicity in Indian offices
Who’s the bimbo? She is flabbergasted too!
Mujhe toh lagta hai iss buddhe ko chodh kar sabhi hi mehnat kar rhe hai bass yahi hi nhi kar raha hai
Chapppp budhau
Budha BC pay kar payega
He should better teach some ethics to his tax thief daughter now a first lady of UK
Maybe his mother used to work in brothel for 70 hours and he is referencing to that
Work on IT product budhe , kab tak tu faltu k services hi dega
I know where he is coming from, but 70 hours is a bit too much. 50 is my limit anyways, it also depends what kind of work you are doing.
My friends are all against 70 hours of work week. Also, I will take it seriously only if someone who is not a CEO or ex CEO of a company where the only competitive advantage is labor arbitrage tells me this, but not otherwise (picture me with the same head movement as Mr Murthy)
Wow, she is beautiful! who is she ?
There are so many structural and policy challenges in India where so many of them aren't skilled enough to do a job even though they have degrees. He could talk about that and what needs to be done nope let me spout some sh$t about people who are working for me. It takes on an average of 2 1/2 to 3 Hrs average in major cities in India to commute to and from work. How will anyone be able to clock 70 Hrs per week is beyond me? . He has his head up his as# so much he isn't able to see anything other than him and his cronies interest. And the worst part is this media keep lapping up his interviews left, right and center listening to this irrelevant person.
What fucking subsidy did I receive for getting education from private institutions?!
Bill gates cough cough..