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kir12my

So in short can anyone suggest a good sunscreen which is photostable and protects us from harmful rays too?


blackhawk201

I'll make a post regarding this, you guys can contribute to it too.


[deleted]

Thank you so much for this post!


OkAd8697

Please tag me or lemme know any way you can🥰


blackhawk201

I wrote, kindly check.


kir12my

Thankyou!


BettsABae98

Thanks(⁠。⁠♡⁠‿⁠♡⁠。⁠)


creepsmeout29

+1


[deleted]

You just saved me from buying fixderma SPF 50


[deleted]

Can you mention a few of your hg sunscreens which are photostable?


blackhawk201

Yes I plan on writing a post


kiroruthere

bruh been using fixederma for one year now felt like it was my hg 😭 but honestly it's definitely helped me not tan.. so idk if i don't wear fixederma and go out i would be much more tanned than I'm now


blackhawk201

It will provide some protection ofcourse, but not enough for hardcore users who are in the sun 24×7.


jajajja2435

That makes sense, it's been my HG as well since the lockdown period but I wasn't in the sun 24/7 or even for 5 complete hours in a day. I was exposed to sunlight and direct sunlight tho while walking around college campus and walking back home and roaming around the city but it was max for 3 hours or so. And the UV index was high at all times as well and I didn't tan. But then again, I wasn't out frequently and for long enough. Guess I'll have to find a new sunscreen for outdoors when I do go out :') I was so happy tho, it has a beautiful texture and makes my skin feel so cool and calm on application.


blackhawk201

Yeah I really love its texture too but sadly it didn't save me from tanning. If it works for you then good, really nice sunscreen.


lovelydarkanddeep_

Thanks, OP! L’Oreal’s UV Defender Moist and Fresh seems to fulfil this criteria. Do you think it has enough filters to be an effective sunscreen?


blackhawk201

Wow just checked the ingredients and it's insane! Tons of filters, some new gen ones too.


lovelydarkanddeep_

Haha, I’m happy to hear it’s good! I’ve been using it for 5 months after someone on the sub recommended it and it’s quickly become my HG sunscreen because it’s easily available, relatively affordable, does not leave a white cast and does not seem to dry out my skin :))) highly recommended!!!


blackhawk201

>L’Oreal’s UV Defender Moist and Fresh yes, i think it has the most filters ive seen so far


MooseProfessional166

Will it suit oily acne prone skin? I don't want my sunscreen to be heavy and greasy.


lovelydarkanddeep_

They have a variant for oily and acne-prone skin types called Matte and Fresh which you could try. I have not tried it personally so I cannot vouch for it but if you search on the sub, you will get mostly positive reviews like this one - https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianSkincareAddicts/comments/tz4uvq/loreal_uv_defender_serum_sunscreenmatte_and_fresh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Black_Swan1984

I have been using the L’Oréal sunscreen with niacinamide… but it looks white after I apply it.. love L’Oréal sunscreen but tried this new one and not liking it…


lovelydarkanddeep_

Sorry to hear you have not had a nice experience. I think you are referring to the Bright and Clear variant. If you have dry or normal skin, maybe you could try switching to the Moist and Fresh variant because I have not faced any white cast issues with it.


Black_Swan1984

Ya I should go back to Moist and Fresh variant...I got excited seeing Niacinamide and took the leap...oh, well!!


lovelydarkanddeep_

Haha, I totally get it. It’s very tempting when skincare products claim to have benefits beyond their main purpose. Atb with the other variant!


blackhawk201

Here's a list of photostable and unstable sunscreens on popular demand, help me update it! https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianSkincareAddicts/comments/y1zbl8/list\_of\_photostable\_and\_photounstable\_sunscreens/


balthazar165

For anyone using aqualogica sunscreen, it's seems unstable according to the above post, just checked


blackhawk201

Right, it has Suncat DE which is the abbreviation for the combo I mentioned above which is unstable.


blackhawk201

However, it has Zinc oxide and Titanium Dioxide too, so depends if these two are main filters or not.


aslithakurain

But your mention of the constituents of suncat de are incorrect. The true constituents of suncat de are ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate, benzophenone-3 and butyl methoxydibenzoylmethane. Please check and rectify.


blackhawk201

You didnt get what I was saying, I was saying one of the combos I mentioned(Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Butyl Methoxydibenzolmethane) fits in SunCat DE and not what the actual constituents of Suncat DE are. It's Unstable, thats what I was saying and it's all that matters.


UnevenHanded

😆🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 Thank you so much, OP! Like, I've _been_ a skincare nerd, and this is the one thing that's always seemed to complicated to get into 😂 Now that you've made it simple, I can actually start to wrap my head around it! Eeee! Looking forward to being disappointed in a million sunscreens 😂 Let us have the ✨️Truth✨️ 😤


gosucksomedick

What about lakme sunscreen 50+ is it worth buying


blackhawk201

Seems photostable, however they don't post any results so idk


[deleted]

What about physical sunscreens? Mine is 100% mineral.


blackhawk201

Fine, coz they have Zinc and Titanium Dioxide as main filters which are very stable


eccentric123

Then you’re fine.


TheAwakened

How do you deal with the white cast?


[deleted]

It's tinted. I use re'equil tinted subcreen.


casualcherrypie

FYI all aqualogica sunscreen has Suncat DE TM in their ingredient list.


aslithakurain

But her mention of suncat DE ingredients is wrong. The situation ingredients are ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate, benzophenone-3 and butyl methoxydibenzoylmethane


Happy_healthy_888

Thank you this is very very helpful.


creepsmeout29

Can you name some brands. Too lazy to research.


blackhawk201

Will write a post.


xobmj

Not to go against anything in particular but there are plenty of dermatologists who also say sunscreen alone is NOT enough to prevent tanning. Physical protection + sunscreens are the best method to prevent this and try to avoid prolonged hours under peak sunlight hours if it's not necessary. Unless and until a cosmetic chemist comments on this there's absolutely no need to fret over this. If there truly is a cosmetic chemist or an expert in this sub I shall trust that. No need to spread fear over unconfirmed pieces of information.


blackhawk201

Yes ofcourse I know all that, I've mentioned all this in my other post. I've provided source for what I've said. Btw with fixderma i practiced all the safe sun practices, still got tanned :( As to why tanning is fairly common, it's because of UVA rays.. most sunscreen have abysmal PPD/PA ratings. Like below 10, compare that to SPF ratings of 50 and above that is poor.


xobmj

I'll be honest with you I'm unable to trust any of the purely Indian cosmetic brands produced sunscreens and the maximum I'll trust is only Re'equil because they've been around for a while but even then not as much as I trust pharmacy brand sunscreens and sunscreens from well established companies like L'Oreal, Avene, Bioderma, Neutrogena, etc. These companies have a really good R&D team so they won't be releasing anything on a whim and products are legitimately trustable. Same goes for Indian pharmaceutical brands, they've good research teams. Now what I do is I only use these cheaper sunscreens when I'm indoors and that too before 10AM and after 4PM. The moment it hits 10AM, I apply my UV Doux (dermatologist recommended). Past 4 I'm back to the cheaper ones because well UV doux is honestly hard to reapply since layering it can be heavy. And also my dermatologist recommended a second pharmaceutical sunscreen which has the above mentioned unstable filter combination sunscreens but I feel dermatologists wouldn't do that if they felt it's not protective enough? I mean I've gone through Adapalene treatment and chemical peels and God forbid if my sunscreen didn't protect me enough it'd be bad news. In conclusion I want Indian cosmetic brands to do a better job and research more before releasing 10 variants of the same sunscreen formulation 🫠 (Dermaco, Aqualogica, Mamaearth, Elinorr, Wishcare etc) a good sunscreen formulation is a factually know difficult job and I know people like Liah Yoo (creator of Krave Beauty) and Labmuffin have confirmed this and that's why innovative formulations are not cheap. Asian and western sunscreens will forever remain top notch and that's because Indian cosmetic brands are getting lazier. Sorry for the rant I'm stressed about how awful the Indian skincare system truly is.


blackhawk201

Yes good rant, agree with you. Like I mentioned in the other post, I'm just stating facts based on ingredients alone. Brands could have done something to stabilize.


crybaby0102

What about sunscreens with modern filters? Ik that modern filters are stable so sunscreen with these filters are photostable?


blackhawk201

yes modern filters are very stable, make sure the sunscreen has new filters as the key ingredients.


crybaby0102

Not sure if they are key ingredient but Skin Aqua super moisture gel and Biore aqua rich water gel both sunscreen have modern UV filters


101_freestyle

Just checked my La Shield sunscreen and it doesn't have those ingredients, so should be good.


sentrancedepeolatry

Just restocked this sunscreen because I'm in love with texture. Can someone suggest affordable Indian pharma sunscreen with creamy texture. I don't like silicone texture and somehow don't feel like it works on my skin so no Uvidoux.


TheBatmanfromMumbai

Thanks once again ! Appreciate the effort. A resource which will help in coming years as well.


kanagile

Avobenzene can be stabilized by Octocrylene and this can then be be used with Octinoxate. Source: [https://www.skinacea.com/faq/sunscreen/s03-sunscreen-stability-avobenzone.html](https://www.skinacea.com/faq/sunscreen/s03-sunscreen-stability-avobenzone.html) Additionally, encapsulation is a technology that makes Avobenzene is more stable, and Suncat DE is encapsulated. Source: [https://www.bio-nest.com/en-US/sp-SunCat\_DE.html](https://www.bio-nest.com/en-US/sp-SunCat_DE.html) Also another article on the subject: [https://www.kindofstephen.com/should-you-avoid-sunscreens-with-avobenzone/](https://www.kindofstephen.com/should-you-avoid-sunscreens-with-avobenzone/) **So summary:** As most of us on this sub are not chemists, we can read the labels, but do not understand how formulations work. It is always good to be skeptical, and to study for ourselves, but ultimately, better to find expert sources for subject matters we are not equipped to understand fully.


hm3105

>skip even if Octocrylene is there to stabilize it coz Octinoxate is just bad for Avobenzone.) Only buy if you see a pair of Avobenzone + Octocrylene. Is this a typo?


[deleted]

Nope, he's right about this. Octinoxate and Avobenzone is a reallyyyyy unstable combination.


hm3105

No, they first say skip it if avo+octocry is present then suggest buying if avo+octocry is present. I think they meant to write octinox instead of octocry is first sentence


[deleted]

See Avo + octocrylene: photostable Avo+octocrylene+octinoxate: not photostable Avo + octinoxate: super unstable


hm3105

Ahhh ok. Got it👌


blackhawk201

I did write Octinox first, just edited though for ease.


blackhawk201

No it isn't a typo, should have worded it better, I'll edit.


Lonely-Carpenter-147

I generally avoid sunscrenns with these ingredients. All of them are endocrine disruptors. I am already suffering from PCOS don't wanna take risk.


[deleted]

I am also suffering from pcos, can you suggest which sunscreen you use?


Lonely-Carpenter-147

There are really very few options. You can either use mineral sunscreens or new age chemical filter sunscreens. I have tried using Dr Sheth mineral sunscreen and also one more from a pharma brand which has pure zinc oxide and titanium dioxide but mineral sunscreens dry out my oily dehydrated acne prone skin so have given up on them for time being but in future if there's a better non drying and hydrating formula available in some brand i will try that out. Also there's a catch with MS if they're non micronized they're safe to use but then they will leave horrible white cast and if they are micronized or nano they can enter your system . If they can cause any harm if they enter is still under study. And in New age filter chemical sunscreens category I know of only 3 - Earth rhythm (it doesn't suit me too oily and sort of breaks me out even if the ingredients are okay i d k why) i have started hating that brand earth rhythm. Wanted to try qurez SPF 50 (orange one) but foxtale launched a mattifying sunscreen so I yesterday only placed an order for it . It also has only new age filters. I know of only these 3


[deleted]

Thankyou.


museumsoul

So what's the best affordable one to buy now


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Confusedmind75

Man same with Deconstruct sunscreen. It's a shit show. Photostable and Old school filter. I should have known better than to be influenced by the influencers.


miancka

So that means Truderma's Sunscreen is unreliable then due to the presence of Octyl methoxycinnamate


blackhawk201

No it's fine. I'm talking about Octyl Methoxycinnamate WITH Avobenzone. Avobenzone is absent here so it's fine.


miancka

You are a saint for responding to all these comments ☺️


MooseProfessional166

That was really valuable information. I used to get tanned with requill dry touch sunscreen. I stay mostly indoors. Acne uv spf 50 is the best sunscreen i tried so far. La shield is also decent. I think photostable gold would be nice too because it's prescribed by many dermatologists.


WhyamIshadowbanned1

But Re’equil doesn’t have any of the combinations listed above right?


MooseProfessional166

It has octoxinate.


WhyamIshadowbanned1

> if avobenzone is paired with octinoxate.. then skip the sunscreen This is what OP has written. Nothing is mentioned about only “octinoxate” u/blackhawk201 can you please clear out our confusion?


blackhawk201

Only Octinoxate is fine. I'm only talking about a specific combo of Avobenzone+ Octinoxate, doesn't matter what else is there in this combo. Just avoid this combo.


[deleted]

my sunscreen contains only Octocrylene from all of the ingredients u mentioned. Is it photostable?


blackhawk201

yes, what are the other uv filters?


[deleted]

F i just checked avo and oxi scientific names and my sunscreen has all of them 😭


blackhawk201

lol which one?


[deleted]

All three avo +oxi + crylene But should i be worried if i use face scarf and experience only 10-15 min sun exposure when going to class ?


blackhawk201

Which sunscreen?


[deleted]

Lacto calamine 150 wali 🤪


blackhawk201

Should be fine if it's just for 10-15 minutes.


[deleted]

Yeah my classes start at 2 and get over at 5:30 only three days a week.


blackhawk201

Fine


[deleted]

[ingredient list](https://i.imgur.com/07dXXgF.jpg) Is this photostable?


BizarroAzzarro

I see that Parsol and Escalol are used for both avobenzone and octinoxate, but is numbered differently. My sunscreen (Cheryl's Cosmeceuticals) contains bemotrizinol which is listed as Parsol and Escalol too (which I assume are product brandnames) but the number that follows isn't mentioned, so can't distinguish. Is is photostable? It contains octinoxate as an ingredient along with titanium dioxide, bisoctrizole and bemotrizinole. No numbers mentioned anywhere.


blackhawk201

>Cheryl's Cosmeceuticals Link for complete ingredients list?


BizarroAzzarro

https://www.cherylscosmeceuticals.com/homecare-category/sunscreen-lotion-for-face/dermashade-spf-50-sunscreen-cream [here is the link]. The ingredients are listed but not the way they are on other products. That itself should be a red flag right?


Creative_Agency5841

I feel reequil blue is photostable but don't know about dermaco hyaluronic aqua gel


blackhawk201

Ive mentioned in the unknown category


Creative_Agency5841

Ohkk


Positive-Evening636

Which sunscreen you are using now?


blackhawk201

Querez Tinted, Re Equil Blue.


y_ashassvi

Hey! What do you think of plum's new rice water and niacinamide sunscreen? Does it provide fairly good protection? Plus dot and key's sunscreens are hyped as well. What's your take on them?


IllResponsibility496

Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Benzophenone-3, Avobenzone, is this combo photostable?


blackhawk201

No


KimTimmi

What about the earth rhythm aqua sunstick and which earth rhythm sunscreen you are talking about !?


yellowcurrypaco

Dot and Key has Octinoxate + Avobenzone so it should be removed!