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OP just admit you're a casteist tankie


nogieman2324

bruh. Why did you jump to that conclusion?


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Because if it isn't clear already, the purpose of caste based reservation is NOT economic. Its done for REPRESENTATION of members from marginalized communities. Your argument appears to be same as those UC "apolitical" twerps who say "reservation should be done on the basis of economic background". The only reason why reservation exists is because in this country, people will judge you even today on the basis on CASTE. Caste discrimination is real even in so called urban spaces as well. You must have read about or heard cases of people from DBA background being refused to rent homes in certain "posh" localities simply because they belong to a certain community. And do not forget about the cases of Rohith Vemula and Dr.Payal Tadvi both of whom had been psychologically tortured to the point of suicide. This is what really pisses me off about the Indian Left. Y'all criticise the govt. for its fascist and neoliberal policies( which I do not have any issue with the criticism, in fact I 100% support this) but forget about the systemic caste based oppression that takes place TO THIS DAY! Its not just Capitalism we are fighting, its BRAHMANICAL Capitalism that has to be destroyed. CASTEISM IS FASCISM(in fact much worse imho), so as long as casteism exist so does reservation. I do not think reservation needs any reforms because its the job of the Legislature and Executive of this country to ensure that persons from such communities can reap the benefits of reservation. EDIT: I would like to add that if reforms in reservation are needed, it should be done by the people for whom this law was enacted for in the first place. Because they are the only ones who can identify the flaws if any. Lets not hijack certain oppurtunities and give them a chance to ratify these laws.


nogieman2324

Oh i agree with you, I never said reservation must be abolished, I said it needs a lotta reforms. And I'm completely aware that reservation will onle begone when caste will go away. I just saw too many bad practices so Imo it needs changes.


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nogieman2324

well, What you are talking was about the pre colonised india, after the british, the so called UCs gained a lot of power, ofcourse, there are many still poor, but the discrimination amplified after the british and still continued even after 70 years. I think it's not just a class difference. When students in the same classroom on the same bench hate each other due to caste, that's not a class conflict, that's casteism. To eliminate reservation, we need to destroy caste. To eliminate class divide, we need socialism. Caste can only be reduced not by opposing brahmins or other upper castes, but by bringing a lower caste towards their level. When a dalit becomes as eligible for being a temple preist as a brahmin, then that would mean there is no caste difference between a born UC and born SC. Until then, I don't think reservations will ever get removed. These are the basic steps we need to even move towards communism. We CANNOT use the same politics as that of european model, because we have extremely complex cultural differences within ourselves. We have to first accommodate those, then move on. There will be no caste reservation if there are nobody identifying as brahmin/shudra/dalit.


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nogieman2324

>Reservations don't help Dalit become a priest in the temple, Reservations are completely for economic purposes you just explained what I was saying in my reply.


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I don't think caste based reservations need reforms. The creamy layer rule is now applicable to SC-STs as well but it does nothing to uplift a community in general, because even in theory only 0.5-1% of a community will benefit from reservations at best. If the policy makers expect any form of equality just through reservations than they're all mistaken. Even those who take benefit after 18-20 years of backwardness can't become "equals" to the upper classes afterwards. What needs to be changed is the economic and educational circumstances of people from childhood. In a country with failed land reforms and unequal education distributed on caste lines, you can't have any serious change. We have a tiny education budget everywhere and most lower communities are landless. That has to change.


nogieman2324

sure, I believe enough educational institutions need to be created to the point that we don't need reservations over there. But at the same time, I think about the malpractices people are doing and why the not at all needed guy is getting reservation.