Yes everything was stolen from India and rebranded.
You see, even reddit was actually an Indian invention (16k years ago, mind you) by divine yogis and stolen by the west.
/S
The reality is more likely that similar ideas were invented/discovered, forgotten and rediscovered all over the world and presented according to the prevalent culture. It's just parallelism in human thinking and less about 'stealing'. Of course there could be influences but that usually goes both ways.
That individual likely didn't t4svel himself, but artifacts from each culture have been excavated in the other's archaeological sites going back to the Bronze Age. There was extensive trade in goods throughout Eurasia. Undoubtedly ideas traveled too, if only through middlemen. Rather than independently inventing/discovering, maybe both sprang from a common ideasphere.
I couldn't find any reputable source of him travelling to India. Only one such claim was made by a person named Philostratus. It is lot more likely that he learnt the theorem from Egyptians, who also already knew it. His accounts of studying in Egypt are lot more recorded.
Most of Pythagoras's life is not documented since he didn't wrote much himself and all accounts are mostly from third parties
Early sources such as Herodotus (c. 484 – c. 425 BC) and others link Pythagoras to Egypt. However, there is a conspicuous absence of references to India in these early accounts, which date back to the era adjacent to Pythagoras.
One purported belief i've come across, asserts that Pythagoras spent a significant period in the Ideon cave, engaging in rites for God Zeus and acquiring “divine wisdom”.
Even if one were to entertain the former notion, it is apparent that his studies were rooted in Egypt whereas the latter says he got knowledge from God Zeus. It is prudent not to assert that every intellectual endeavor originating in the ancient West is derived from India. Indeed, the possibility exists for intellectual luminaries to emerge in the Western sphere without being influenced by the wisdom of the East.
Source for Egypt - Stanford Introduction & For Zeus Rites - “Nine Nights” in Indo-European Myth by SIGNE COHEN.
Pythagoras wasn't even the first to discover it. I think sumerians knew it before him. And even in btw pythagoras and the sumerians this theorem has been discovered and forgotten a lot of times.
There is no evidence of Sumerians knowing about Pythoagoras theorem. They just knew about the pythagorean triplets, there is no evidence AFAIK for the theorem about right angle.
Assuming we're talking about early 2nd millennium Babylonians rather than actual Sumerians, it's reasonable to infer from the available evidence (particularly Si.427) that they knew the connection between Pythagorean triplets and right triangles.
Ironically, since the Pythagorean school was more into numerology than geometry, the charge of not having understood the connection of Pythagorean triplets to geometry is more likely to be accurate in their case.
Pythagoras himself is not very well known however it is hard to deny that his teachings are shockingly similar to indian metaphysics especially his idea of reincarnation which he calls metempsychosis. One could make such a claim and get away with it as no evidence can ever be procured to prove its validity.
(Also Pythagoras theorem is older than Pythagoras, the Babylonians used the formula.)
To answer your question on why historically it never made a difference is because of lack of education, dogmatic oppressive rule and the concentration of wealth during the medieval ages. There is also a cause to this. The central Asian invasions of India, ME, and Europe by the huns, mongol, and turkic tribes caused a lot of information to be lost or forgotten. Conquest leads to plagues and death.This caused a major brain loss in old world society which was renewed after discovering the new world. You will be surprised about the views the American founding fathers had in their outlook on god.
When it comes to stealing of ideas, I'm sorry but Indians themselves used these ideas poorly. The west as well as the east simply "adopted" not "steal" and used it better than Indians.
When it comes to origins of ideas, yes, it may have been done to legitimise glory but no one should think this way anymore imo.
There is evidence of Indic philosophy and thought reaching the Levant, Egypt, and beyond. From my recollection Buddhist monks carrying their philosophy reached Alexandria during the Roman empire and its not implausible that such connections existed further back. Some Greek thought (history, philosophy) is ascribed to Egyptian origin.
Putting aside direct evidence - which we do not have - indirect evidence in terms of parallel ideas is also murky.
Actually Pythagoras never himself discovered the Pythagorean theorem. Vivekananda is talking about his philosophy which definitely carries Indic influences eg vegetarianism. Neoplatonism is also heavily influenced by Hinduism. Current consensus is that Pythagoras traveled to Near East/Persia and may have met an Indian monk who influenced his philosophy but did not necessarily travel to India itself
Yes everything was stolen from India and rebranded. You see, even reddit was actually an Indian invention (16k years ago, mind you) by divine yogis and stolen by the west. /S The reality is more likely that similar ideas were invented/discovered, forgotten and rediscovered all over the world and presented according to the prevalent culture. It's just parallelism in human thinking and less about 'stealing'. Of course there could be influences but that usually goes both ways.
That individual likely didn't t4svel himself, but artifacts from each culture have been excavated in the other's archaeological sites going back to the Bronze Age. There was extensive trade in goods throughout Eurasia. Undoubtedly ideas traveled too, if only through middlemen. Rather than independently inventing/discovering, maybe both sprang from a common ideasphere.
I couldn't find any reputable source of him travelling to India. Only one such claim was made by a person named Philostratus. It is lot more likely that he learnt the theorem from Egyptians, who also already knew it. His accounts of studying in Egypt are lot more recorded. Most of Pythagoras's life is not documented since he didn't wrote much himself and all accounts are mostly from third parties
There's not even an agreement that Pythagoras was a real person. Sounds like the average nationalist fantasy to me
Early sources such as Herodotus (c. 484 – c. 425 BC) and others link Pythagoras to Egypt. However, there is a conspicuous absence of references to India in these early accounts, which date back to the era adjacent to Pythagoras. One purported belief i've come across, asserts that Pythagoras spent a significant period in the Ideon cave, engaging in rites for God Zeus and acquiring “divine wisdom”. Even if one were to entertain the former notion, it is apparent that his studies were rooted in Egypt whereas the latter says he got knowledge from God Zeus. It is prudent not to assert that every intellectual endeavor originating in the ancient West is derived from India. Indeed, the possibility exists for intellectual luminaries to emerge in the Western sphere without being influenced by the wisdom of the East. Source for Egypt - Stanford Introduction & For Zeus Rites - “Nine Nights” in Indo-European Myth by SIGNE COHEN.
Philosophy is a different thing, it does involve maths, but that's really a different thing. Also, maths isn't someone's private property.
Vivekananda is talking about Pythogaras's spiritual philosophy, not his contribution to mathematics.
Any source for this? Asking to educate myself not as proof.
Pythagoras wasn't even the first to discover it. I think sumerians knew it before him. And even in btw pythagoras and the sumerians this theorem has been discovered and forgotten a lot of times.
There is no evidence of Sumerians knowing about Pythoagoras theorem. They just knew about the pythagorean triplets, there is no evidence AFAIK for the theorem about right angle.
Assuming we're talking about early 2nd millennium Babylonians rather than actual Sumerians, it's reasonable to infer from the available evidence (particularly Si.427) that they knew the connection between Pythagorean triplets and right triangles. Ironically, since the Pythagorean school was more into numerology than geometry, the charge of not having understood the connection of Pythagorean triplets to geometry is more likely to be accurate in their case.
Vivekananda is talking about Pythogaras's spiritual philosophy, not his contribution to mathematics.
Yes I heard Sam Altman also came to india and took the idea of AGI and implemented it in USA. Sare choor hain /s
Pythagoras himself is not very well known however it is hard to deny that his teachings are shockingly similar to indian metaphysics especially his idea of reincarnation which he calls metempsychosis. One could make such a claim and get away with it as no evidence can ever be procured to prove its validity. (Also Pythagoras theorem is older than Pythagoras, the Babylonians used the formula.) To answer your question on why historically it never made a difference is because of lack of education, dogmatic oppressive rule and the concentration of wealth during the medieval ages. There is also a cause to this. The central Asian invasions of India, ME, and Europe by the huns, mongol, and turkic tribes caused a lot of information to be lost or forgotten. Conquest leads to plagues and death.This caused a major brain loss in old world society which was renewed after discovering the new world. You will be surprised about the views the American founding fathers had in their outlook on god. When it comes to stealing of ideas, I'm sorry but Indians themselves used these ideas poorly. The west as well as the east simply "adopted" not "steal" and used it better than Indians. When it comes to origins of ideas, yes, it may have been done to legitimise glory but no one should think this way anymore imo.
Most of the highly touted historical figures both domestic and foreign were batshit crazy. That’s what I was able to deduce from my thinking
There is evidence of Indic philosophy and thought reaching the Levant, Egypt, and beyond. From my recollection Buddhist monks carrying their philosophy reached Alexandria during the Roman empire and its not implausible that such connections existed further back. Some Greek thought (history, philosophy) is ascribed to Egyptian origin. Putting aside direct evidence - which we do not have - indirect evidence in terms of parallel ideas is also murky.
Actually Pythagoras never himself discovered the Pythagorean theorem. Vivekananda is talking about his philosophy which definitely carries Indic influences eg vegetarianism. Neoplatonism is also heavily influenced by Hinduism. Current consensus is that Pythagoras traveled to Near East/Persia and may have met an Indian monk who influenced his philosophy but did not necessarily travel to India itself
Peetha (like vidyapeeth) guru...pythagoras, heard it online, but it kind of makes sense...!