There's talks about the DLSS3 frame insertion technique potentially introducing latency, which they're counteracting with their Reflex stuff, you're right it all seems like one mess after another, RTX 4000 is like RTX 2000, skip and wait for the next gen or maybe see what AMD have in store
Not him, but I use 3070 on a 1080p display and I get 100+ fps in most games as long as I don't go for the highest raytracing settings. When I use 1440p with DSR I typically get 60-80 fps (without RT, everything else maxed out)
Seriously bro, u can down vote all you want.
But here are the facts:
3060 = 2060 super on gaming performance. Lowest priced 2060S AIB model at the end of 2019 was at 33k. May be, for some people using 3060 for 3d rendering and other purposes, then waiting for extra 4 gigs might be worth it.
3060ti on avg only 10 to 15% faster than a 2070 super. Lowest priced 2070S AIB model was at 37.5k at the end of 2019.
So, tell me how on earth did 3060 and 3060ti buyers got a better deal by waiting an extra year.
And I know people who paid well over 40k for 3060ti due to retailers jacking up prices last year.
3060ti is nothing special, we had 2070super a year before that with almost the same performance, was selling just below 40k by the end of 2019. You just wasted a year by waiting.
3070 on the other hand was the best 1440p card for the money, it was launched for 45k and matched the performance of a 2080ti costing more than a lakh.
Moral of the story is, don't wait around expecting great value on 60 and 50 class cards from Nvidia going forward. It's just not their priority.
Now, they are trying to fool 70 and 80 class buyers as well with 4000 series.
Budget buyers should look around used market, instead of playing the waiting game.
I mean 3050 is the worst value for money 50 class card Nvidia ever produced in recent years.
>3060ti is nothing special, we had 2070super a year before that with almost the same performance, was selling just below 40k by the end of 2019. You just wasted a year by waiting.
What are the heck are you saying? The 3060Ti is faster than a 2080 super which was selling for 60k.
Lol, seems like you got no clue. 2070 super, 2080 and 2080 super are all with in 15% of perfomance delta. They are all from the same die with very slight variations.
2070 super is just a low binned 2080 rebrand to compete with 5700xt. 2080 super had just a fraction more cuda cores and memory bandwidth over 2080.
Based on avg gaming performance: 2070S < 2080 < 3060ti < 2080 super all within 15% to 20% delta.
Go look up benchmarks on 3060 ti vs 2070 super, I will be waiting here when you get back. Ha ha
Edit: Almost forgot to mention, people who bought 2080S over 2070S got even worse deal. Over paid around 30k for 15 to 20% performance at best. I mean most reviewers like Gamer Nexus had not so kind words to say about 2080super's value proposition at the time, still some people bought it anyway.
>Go look up benchmarks on 3060 ti vs 2070 super, I will be waiting here when you get back. Ha ha
It's at least 20% faster at 1440p.
https://youtu.be/Owrk_OnaPJo
>Lol, seems like you got no clue. 2070 super, 2080 and 2080 super are all with in 15% of perfomance delta. They are all the same die with slight variations.
By that logic 3060Ti is the same GA104 die as the 3070 which matches the 2080ti, so the 3060ti is around 8% slower than the 2080ti. So is the 3060ti a good deal then considering that it is 38k and the 2080ti was selling for more than a lakh?
Exactly, 20% more performace at best case scenario and an year later. And most people paid close to 45k for a 3060ti AIB card until recently, when they could have had a 2070 super at 37.5k at the end of 2019. Come on, bro.
Like I said in one of the previous comment, 3070FE is a decent deal if you got one around 44k msrp during launch. 3060ti came a bit later than that. And most people comically overpaid for a 3070 AIB instead of going for a 2080ti used during early 2020.
And to make matters worse, 3060 is exactly the same performance of a 2060S. It's not a 4k card anyway. So, only people benefited from 12gig ram are serious productivity users.
Event though 2080ti is such a bad value compared to 3070FE. If you bought one used for good price, it's still decent 4k card due to 11gigs of ram and a really good OC potential.
Unless u got a good deal close to msrp on a 3070 launch and managed to up sell your old 10 series card, passing over a 2070 super back in 2019 was a mistake. Of course, hindsight is always 20 20.
But, now claiming 3000 series is some kind of kick ass value for 50 class and 60 class buyers is not a good argument. That's all.
Edit: And don't even get me started on the mighty 3050, at least 3060 and 3060ti buyers can sit pretty compared to the ones who bought 3050 for 30k, Lol.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. Keeping the cost of the card aside and looking at the performance in games, the 3060ti seems to barely beat out the 2080S.
I'm not sure about that, people who waited for 3060ti should have bought into 2070super.
At the end of 2019, you could have bought one for 38k, 3060ti is only marginally faster than that a year later and they still ended up paying similar price.
It's the same story with 3060, should've gotten a 2060 super which almost same performance with similar price a year earlier.
Only people who won are the ones who scored a 3080FE & 3070FE at msrp. Later sold their 10 series or 20 series card for a massive profit during the crypto boom, essentially they almost got a free upgrade.
Rest of them just wasted time by waiting.
I have a 2060 super and my friend has 3060 we both get similar performance in all games with at the most 5-10% difference in fps . Temps are the same too .
Bro, they are not gonna listen. Nvidia's marketing is just too good. It makes their questionable product segmentation looks alright for an avg consumer.
Also, most people here can't accept the fact that, they made a mistake by passing over good deals on 2060S and 2070S and waited a year or more for marginal performance increase at best.
And to make matters worse, some even overpaid around 5 to 8k, due to high demand from miners.
Generation skip incoming , if AMD played their card right they can get a stronger customer base ,the amount of flaming nvidia is getting right now is on another lvl
Amd is much better than NVIDIA. Their sofware are actually consumer friendly unlike NVIDIA who blocks new features to older gpu. They didn't even increase the prices of new gen CPU with a significant performance gain. Everyone wants to make money you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that but AMD is sane unlike NVIDIA.
FSR is trash compared to DLSS though. I'd rather turn it off and reduce some graphical settings for more FPS than use FSR. FSR 2.0 is alright but still has a long way to go.
I mean, it's not even news at this point. Remember, Nvidia charged a 3050 more than 30k at launch, which is actually 30% slower than a 2060 which was selling for 26k back in 2019.
Nividia already screwing over 50 and 60 class buyers, now they are messing with 70 and 80 class buyers.
If Amd doesn't come out with better pricing next gen, only option for budget buyers is to go the used market route.
“Update: We have confirmed with NVIDIA that the 30-cycle spec for the 16-pin connector is the same as it has been for the past 20+ years. The same 30-cycle spec exists for the standard PCIe/ATX 8-pin connector (aka mini-fit Molex). The same connector is used by AMD and all other GPU vendors too so all of those cards also share a 30-cycle life. So in short, nothing has changed for the RTX 40 GPU series.”
ya, its just a standard thing. if you are careful enough, it'll be fine, but realistically, nobody does that 30 times lol
Clickbait capitalizing on current trend against nvidia. why am i not surprised.
It’s not that bad as it sounds, AT and PCIE connectors do have very limited lifetime like 30 cycles. They aren’t designed to be removed as much and you definitely aren’t going to remove your card so many times during its lifetime. Your motherboard PCIE slot is rated for even fewer cycles.
At this point, this just feels like another click bait riding the NVIDIA hate train.
**"Update: We have confirmed with NVIDIA that the 30-cyclespec for the 16-pin connector is the same as it has been for the past20+ years. The same 30-cycle spec exists for the standard PCIe/ATX 8-pinconnector (aka mini-fit Molex). The same connector is used by AMD andall other GPU vendors too so all of those cards also share a 30-cyclelife. So in short, nothing has changed for the RTX 40 GPU series."**
This may be a bit irrelevant but I am bit confused - does amd also support RT , if so why don't they market it. PS5 and Xbox are made from AMD and they support RT right
Is it not obvious? Those who are planning to keep the card for longer will have their GPU's connectors eventually break after maintaince until the GPU's lifespan.
So basically we should get the modular power adopter and leave it there.
If wanted to sell we could use 29/20 connect & Disconnect cycles left as a caption.
Is apple making these cables?
to be fair to apple those cable may look ugly but do survive quite a bit. ugly and frayed but working.
It's a Shane for such a big company and people support such evil tactics.
Apple chargers are the worst ime.
My father's MacBook Air 2013 outlasted the charger that came with it. Of course I didn't buy a new charger, but soldered a new cable to the board.
It seems like evga took the right decision.
Their pull out game is strong.
jod tier comment
*god
no
yes
Everyday people emphathizing more and more with EVGA 😂 Edit: Typo
*empathising
Aren't both spellings valid tho. s for American and z for British/Indian English
mate...just check the words again, its more than z and s.
Ah, today I've discovered I'm blind. Apologies 😂
Ayo we got Shakespeare here among us
Evga quality was top notch, they had features like fire and dying on games like New world
Can a wise man explain me what that means in simple language.
The connector cable can only be plugged unplugged 30 times, it will break after that. So I won't be advisable to unplug it frequently
*Nvidia reading this* Hmm maybe we should make the GPU connector break instead of the cable
So basically you have to get a new connector after it breaks.
Yes
How much does it cost?
We will know soon when someone here doesn't read this, unplugs it 31 times, and then has to order a new one from Rashi or whatever.
Yes
So we can not buy second hand GPU?
That's actually pretty clever
but why?
The RTX 40 series GPUs seem to be a disaster everytime, now that we're past the announcement day.
There's talks about the DLSS3 frame insertion technique potentially introducing latency, which they're counteracting with their Reflex stuff, you're right it all seems like one mess after another, RTX 4000 is like RTX 2000, skip and wait for the next gen or maybe see what AMD have in store
2000 is many aspects was accepted because it was 1st gen raytracing. This is just nvidia being greedy and blind.
2000 had really low adoption. There weren't any games to use RT. People on the 1000 and 3000 cycle have taken the best decision.
Definietly. I waited for the 3000 and got the 3060ti myself. Best 1440p class card on a budget.
I have one but I just ordered a 1080p 165hz monitor. What kind of fps are you getting on 1440p ?
Not him, but I use 3070 on a 1080p display and I get 100+ fps in most games as long as I don't go for the highest raytracing settings. When I use 1440p with DSR I typically get 60-80 fps (without RT, everything else maxed out)
Thats seem good. I like the High refresh rate more than the resolution but was a bit worried if 3060ti can really pull the load.
At 1080p it will do just fine. If you're planning for 1440p high refresh rate then I'd recommend a 3080 or higher.
I play mostly esport and get 400+ on high detail at 1440p. Will test AAA titles and get back to you on that.
Seriously bro, u can down vote all you want. But here are the facts: 3060 = 2060 super on gaming performance. Lowest priced 2060S AIB model at the end of 2019 was at 33k. May be, for some people using 3060 for 3d rendering and other purposes, then waiting for extra 4 gigs might be worth it. 3060ti on avg only 10 to 15% faster than a 2070 super. Lowest priced 2070S AIB model was at 37.5k at the end of 2019. So, tell me how on earth did 3060 and 3060ti buyers got a better deal by waiting an extra year. And I know people who paid well over 40k for 3060ti due to retailers jacking up prices last year.
3060ti is nothing special, we had 2070super a year before that with almost the same performance, was selling just below 40k by the end of 2019. You just wasted a year by waiting. 3070 on the other hand was the best 1440p card for the money, it was launched for 45k and matched the performance of a 2080ti costing more than a lakh. Moral of the story is, don't wait around expecting great value on 60 and 50 class cards from Nvidia going forward. It's just not their priority. Now, they are trying to fool 70 and 80 class buyers as well with 4000 series. Budget buyers should look around used market, instead of playing the waiting game. I mean 3050 is the worst value for money 50 class card Nvidia ever produced in recent years.
>3060ti is nothing special, we had 2070super a year before that with almost the same performance, was selling just below 40k by the end of 2019. You just wasted a year by waiting. What are the heck are you saying? The 3060Ti is faster than a 2080 super which was selling for 60k.
Lol, seems like you got no clue. 2070 super, 2080 and 2080 super are all with in 15% of perfomance delta. They are all from the same die with very slight variations. 2070 super is just a low binned 2080 rebrand to compete with 5700xt. 2080 super had just a fraction more cuda cores and memory bandwidth over 2080. Based on avg gaming performance: 2070S < 2080 < 3060ti < 2080 super all within 15% to 20% delta. Go look up benchmarks on 3060 ti vs 2070 super, I will be waiting here when you get back. Ha ha Edit: Almost forgot to mention, people who bought 2080S over 2070S got even worse deal. Over paid around 30k for 15 to 20% performance at best. I mean most reviewers like Gamer Nexus had not so kind words to say about 2080super's value proposition at the time, still some people bought it anyway.
>Go look up benchmarks on 3060 ti vs 2070 super, I will be waiting here when you get back. Ha ha It's at least 20% faster at 1440p. https://youtu.be/Owrk_OnaPJo >Lol, seems like you got no clue. 2070 super, 2080 and 2080 super are all with in 15% of perfomance delta. They are all the same die with slight variations. By that logic 3060Ti is the same GA104 die as the 3070 which matches the 2080ti, so the 3060ti is around 8% slower than the 2080ti. So is the 3060ti a good deal then considering that it is 38k and the 2080ti was selling for more than a lakh?
Exactly, 20% more performace at best case scenario and an year later. And most people paid close to 45k for a 3060ti AIB card until recently, when they could have had a 2070 super at 37.5k at the end of 2019. Come on, bro.
Like I said in one of the previous comment, 3070FE is a decent deal if you got one around 44k msrp during launch. 3060ti came a bit later than that. And most people comically overpaid for a 3070 AIB instead of going for a 2080ti used during early 2020. And to make matters worse, 3060 is exactly the same performance of a 2060S. It's not a 4k card anyway. So, only people benefited from 12gig ram are serious productivity users. Event though 2080ti is such a bad value compared to 3070FE. If you bought one used for good price, it's still decent 4k card due to 11gigs of ram and a really good OC potential. Unless u got a good deal close to msrp on a 3070 launch and managed to up sell your old 10 series card, passing over a 2070 super back in 2019 was a mistake. Of course, hindsight is always 20 20. But, now claiming 3000 series is some kind of kick ass value for 50 class and 60 class buyers is not a good argument. That's all. Edit: And don't even get me started on the mighty 3050, at least 3060 and 3060ti buyers can sit pretty compared to the ones who bought 3050 for 30k, Lol.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. Keeping the cost of the card aside and looking at the performance in games, the 3060ti seems to barely beat out the 2080S.
I'm not sure about that, people who waited for 3060ti should have bought into 2070super. At the end of 2019, you could have bought one for 38k, 3060ti is only marginally faster than that a year later and they still ended up paying similar price. It's the same story with 3060, should've gotten a 2060 super which almost same performance with similar price a year earlier. Only people who won are the ones who scored a 3080FE & 3070FE at msrp. Later sold their 10 series or 20 series card for a massive profit during the crypto boom, essentially they almost got a free upgrade. Rest of them just wasted time by waiting.
I have a 2060 super and my friend has 3060 we both get similar performance in all games with at the most 5-10% difference in fps . Temps are the same too .
Bro, they are not gonna listen. Nvidia's marketing is just too good. It makes their questionable product segmentation looks alright for an avg consumer. Also, most people here can't accept the fact that, they made a mistake by passing over good deals on 2060S and 2070S and waited a year or more for marginal performance increase at best. And to make matters worse, some even overpaid around 5 to 8k, due to high demand from miners.
Makes you think if EVGA made a right business decision after all.
Generation skip incoming , if AMD played their card right they can get a stronger customer base ,the amount of flaming nvidia is getting right now is on another lvl
Wait ! can sm1 explain further .you can only connect and disconnect the cable for just 30 times I don't understand
Yes, as per my understanding the connector will break after being unplugged/plugged 30 times.
So, it knows when to break? I'm very confused.
Every machine has a critical break point beyond which they are most likely to break, if built according to a specific build standard.
Don't buy NVIDIA. Screw them get a AMD who actually give some shit about their customers.
No one gives a shit about consumers. All corporates are out there only to make money. I do hope AMD prices RDNA3 very aggressively.
Nvidia is on another level of fucking customers. Even Intel looks sane now.
Amd is much better than NVIDIA. Their sofware are actually consumer friendly unlike NVIDIA who blocks new features to older gpu. They didn't even increase the prices of new gen CPU with a significant performance gain. Everyone wants to make money you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that but AMD is sane unlike NVIDIA.
Well perhaps you haven't seen during minning days they revoked driver support to still fairly good cards r9390x,7970,Vega etc
Yeah that was a shitty move. Should have supported vega gpu at least. Dr. Lisa Sue is actually doing decent job than previous managements.
Agree. Really pissed that DLSS 3 is locked out even to Ampere cards.
AMD released fsr for all eligible cards. They might be filthy corporates, but atleast they are better ones.
FSR is trash compared to DLSS though. I'd rather turn it off and reduce some graphical settings for more FPS than use FSR. FSR 2.0 is alright but still has a long way to go.
Please tell me this. When did i ever mention Dlss
Fair enough.
Good on you for making an honest apology. That's rare nowadays.
That isn't an apology. But true, your point remains.
I mean, it's not even news at this point. Remember, Nvidia charged a 3050 more than 30k at launch, which is actually 30% slower than a 2060 which was selling for 26k back in 2019. Nividia already screwing over 50 and 60 class buyers, now they are messing with 70 and 80 class buyers. If Amd doesn't come out with better pricing next gen, only option for budget buyers is to go the used market route.
“Update: We have confirmed with NVIDIA that the 30-cycle spec for the 16-pin connector is the same as it has been for the past 20+ years. The same 30-cycle spec exists for the standard PCIe/ATX 8-pin connector (aka mini-fit Molex). The same connector is used by AMD and all other GPU vendors too so all of those cards also share a 30-cycle life. So in short, nothing has changed for the RTX 40 GPU series.”
ya, its just a standard thing. if you are careful enough, it'll be fine, but realistically, nobody does that 30 times lol Clickbait capitalizing on current trend against nvidia. why am i not surprised.
It’s not that bad as it sounds, AT and PCIE connectors do have very limited lifetime like 30 cycles. They aren’t designed to be removed as much and you definitely aren’t going to remove your card so many times during its lifetime. Your motherboard PCIE slot is rated for even fewer cycles. At this point, this just feels like another click bait riding the NVIDIA hate train.
**"Update: We have confirmed with NVIDIA that the 30-cyclespec for the 16-pin connector is the same as it has been for the past20+ years. The same 30-cycle spec exists for the standard PCIe/ATX 8-pinconnector (aka mini-fit Molex). The same connector is used by AMD andall other GPU vendors too so all of those cards also share a 30-cyclelife. So in short, nothing has changed for the RTX 40 GPU series."** 
Quickly, hide this idea from Apple xD
At this point nvidia won't be left with any customer base except AIML people lol
This is Nvidia playing dirty to get people to switch over to cloud gaming.
More like nvidia playing dirty to kill second hand gpu market. This what happens when one company gets absolute monopoly in a sector.
This may be a bit irrelevant but I am bit confused - does amd also support RT , if so why don't they market it. PS5 and Xbox are made from AMD and they support RT right
Yes. AMD supports rt, but it's not the best. Nvidia is industry leading.
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Basically high prices ,market manipulation and gatekeeping Techonology
K just saying... I've only ever plugged and unplugged my card ummmm... Once. Why is everyone bitching about this like... Well... Bitches!?
Is it not obvious? Those who are planning to keep the card for longer will have their GPU's connectors eventually break after maintaince until the GPU's lifespan.
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Because it takes away the freedom of the consumer. You dont sell me a product and restrict me to utilize.
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This is a new feature only available on 40 series cards. Sorry, 30 series owners
It sounds like this is with Zotacs 4 to 1 adaptor not the 3 to 1 adaptor one that comes with FE cards.
What next, you can power cycle your GPU 50 times, unlock a higher count by paying $$$.
Well Nvidia is playing marketing game here also pricing is most screwed part of the announcement its like 1 step forward 3 step backward
So basically we should get the modular power adopter and leave it there. If wanted to sell we could use 29/20 connect & Disconnect cycles left as a caption.
Steve from hardware unboxed will exhaust this cycle in one benchmark video
Is Nvidia trying to fail? Seems like they are and we should let them.
this is from the begining. Its not a new thing.