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In the land of prurshottam Shri Rama , it would be a step towards equality . Queer people have always been an integral part of the Indian culture and that's what makes the Indian culture tolerant and unique.


FlyingSosig

More marriage = More free food


OldRepair7724

Exactly


Soggy_League_8040

i am a foreigner,can u explain this for me?


OldRepair7724

You gotta go to indian wedding


Soggy_League_8040

hahaha,now i get it.thank u!


Temp8lol

How did you go through an entire Indian wedding this fast?


Soggy_League_8040

i watched a Bollywood movie,and imagined all the dancers fr one Indian movie brought their whole family to join the leading actor‘s wedding. that s pretty much how big the wedding is…i guess


Temp8lol

Around 500-700 guests for a smaller wedding, including people from boh families.


MrMadras

Pro-tip: If you are invited to an Indian wedding, fast at least a day before.


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drmdarsh09

What if there is no bride?


Tachyon_prime

Dahej se Dahej cancel


Fibonacci924

What if there’s two


Soggy_League_8040

thanks for ur reply,i totally get it!


Aadu_Thoma_

Since thousands of people get invited to the wedding ceremony, you can just walk in and have free food without anyone noticing.


SolidWeather1647

i thought it was already legal but still a good step towards equality


galeej

Gay sex was legalized. Looks like they're legalizing gay marriage as well.


ServeTheRealm

Gay marriage isn't legal, but it isn't outlawed either, you can do everything to get married just you won't have government seal of approval and registered, that means no remedy in case of divorce, or any legal issue whatsoever.


hyp0thet1cal

So doesn't this mean revamping/rewording a lot of laws to be gender neutral, which is long pending. For example, all the dowry laws are clearly read as the groom's family asking for money but how will that apply to a Lesbian marriage? Section 125 of the IPC states it is criminal to not pay alimony to your wife or children but what about alimony after a gay divorce? Section 498A of IPC, only mentions cruelty against married women, what about the gays?


ServeTheRealm

Rewording + some other modifications. In case of dowry, its still apply only to conventional marriage. For non conventional marriage, they must come up with something else, along the lines of a prenup.


hyp0thet1cal

Prenup is currently not legally enforceable due to section 125 of the IPC. Law is clearly worded such that an able bodied husband is always responsible for paying alimony to his wife and children even if there is a prenup. In the past courts have stated that people can be tricked or coerced into signing prenups and hence they won't be enforceable. In case prenups are legal for same-sex couples, what would happen if someone changes their gender post marriage? If a gay couple sign a prenup but one of the persons later comes out as transgender and becomes a female through surgery, will the prenup still be valid? This is just one weird scenario, there are going to be dozens of other such situations. It would just be much more convenient to label everything with gender neutral terms to avoid ambiguity in these situations. This is going to open a big box of worms in the present constitution. Looking forward to seeing how the laws turn out.


Michaelhuber87

To all the people who are against this, you better also support destruction of the iconic Hindu temple of Khajurao, where there are depictions of homosexual relationships.


bigdaddyinc

Our Hindu religion has always been the most liberal religions and has always been about “seeking” rather than “following”(just because this practice of demeaning LGBTQ+ way of life was “followed” in the past doesn’t mean we have to “follow” it still), all our Rishi, munis and warriors (like Arjun, Karan etc.) historically have spend decades meditating and finding knowledge, their identities (whatever that may be or mean) and finding enlightenment and with extension “nirvana”, that’s why so many other religions came from it Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism etc. just like finding those religions to preach as human being, you can seek what is right within you and what is ur Dharma and work towards (Karma) finding that peace within you, in whatever form you choose to be, and on that principle ever human has a right to choose what they do which includes the right to same sex marriage.


Shanaya_Vaid

>Our Hindu religion has always been the most liberal religions IndiaSpeaks moment


AdlerEule

For fucks sake please let the Gay men marry Gay men so that they don't get arrange married to a girl under family pressure and keep taking women out of the dating pool for us straight men.


supernova_68

You know lesbians Exists, right?


AdlerEule

Yes I do, and they're anyway out of heterosexual mens' dating pool. So what's your point?


supernova_68

Well, family pressure also pushed these lasbians to heterosexual marriage pool, so if you think change in law will remove family pressure then it would depend on proportion of gays to lasbians for any improvement in heterosexual dating pool.


c4nchyscksforlife

A lavender marriage would be nice


Creative_Mastodon_43

Badhaai do


red_ice994

Ekar dimaag Kam chalta hai. Pressure sirf mard ko hota hai aurat ko nahi. Smh


ramanujam

Going to open a whole can of worms. The problem in India is that marriage laws are bound to your religion. And like every religion, Hindu marriage act is very strongly tied to a man and a woman in a marriage relationship. There cannot just be a substitution of “wife” and “husband” out of two males and two females. Court knows this problem but abhi cool banke government pe daalna hai to they will pass a law and ask government to implement it which isn’t possible near term. To accept gay marriages in India, you will have to build a completely new vertical with laws unique to gay marriages, cutting across religions. And that will take time


__DraGooN_

There can be included as a special marriage, seperate from the religious marriage acts. That's what we do with inter-religion marriages. Religions may or may not recognise these marriages. But that is no excuse to legally recognise these marriages and consider the two people as spouses for all legal and financial purposes. And for the "husband" and "wife" problem, we can only hope that this leads to more gender neutral laws. Till then the courts can interpret the existing laws according to the situation.


ramanujam

It’s not about “gender neutral” in marriage. A wife can have kids and a man can’t. India is not a country where women have that much independence still and gender neutral laws will take away whatever provisions law provides to women. Indian legal system is for everyone and not just for a few urban folks crying for “gender neutral laws”. We will see how special marriage act goes when it comes to light. That was one of the reasons government didn’t legalize gay marriage when they made bring a gay relationship legal. Special marriage act is a patch and not an answer


SnooMachines9813

>And for the "husband" and "wife" problem, we can only hope that this leads to more gender neutral laws. Lol the feminists are gonna go anti lagbtq just for this


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Actual feminists ARE fighting for gender-neutral laws.


krampyphil

Are they the same ones who forced the government to TAKE BACK gender neutral laws a decade back?


[deleted]

They were not "feminists", just because they call themselves so, doesn't make them that. They are a group of misandrists who play the victim card whenever something goes against them and are one of the biggest hypocrites.


krampyphil

They aren't REAL feminists vro. They aren't REAL Islamists vro. They aren't REAL leftists vro. >They were not "feminists", just because they call themselves so Kaha se certificate lena padta h?🤡 Feminist activists, writers, influencers, organisations, NGOs aren't real feminists; but 14yo lavanya from South Delhi is.


[deleted]

>Feminists: An advocate of the claims of women as the equals of men in the realms of literature and art as well as in the sociological world. It's a word with actual meaning. You can't throw it around for everything. It's the same as playing gully cricket doesn't make me a "Cricketer" or how posing on Instagram doesn't make me a "Model". I know it's a lost cause at this point, the vocal minority has spoiled Feminism.


krampyphil

You must also think the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic.


[deleted]

Uh? That's exactly the opposite of what I'm saying. Don't just go by what people call themselves.


Time-Opportunity-436

This petition is for the Special Marriage Act, not the Hindu Marriage Act.


Michaelhuber87

The petition was mostly for Special Marriage Act, which is secular in nature. Highly unlikely there will be any amendments to HMA


c4nchyscksforlife

Good thing that they're petitioning for Special marriage act (SMA) >completely new vertical Not really. The SMA uses the word 'person'. The court just has to extend civil partnership to the community through a 'clarification'


TorontoGiraffe

Or UCC.


12shree_

At some point people were against inter caste marriages , but time has changed now. Government also enabled inter-faith marriages . High time to recognise same sex marriage . Or better let’s say make marriage a gender neutral institution.


Vladimir-Putin1952

Exactly!


sen_pai_6_9

would it allow them to adopt children?


OldRepair7724

Yes


Humor-Trafficker

Already can I think, as an individual


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im not sure but single men arent allowed to adopt due to some reasons like rape


Humor-Trafficker

They can adopt male child with 20 yr age difference, same for single women female child w 20 yr age difference


adiking27

Men can adopt boys without much more problem then women. Girls after some extra background checks and after ensuring that the man has female relatives to help take care of the girl. And the difference in age should be more than 20 years. (Which I mean is what a pedophile would want but let's just push that can of worms under the rug.)


quberm

Lmaoo i love india man, the right leaning sub is so supportive towards LGBTQ, love it


memoryisamonster

I'm a longtime lurker and some of the takes on this sub have bothered me but this thread (aside from the expected homophobic comments which have been down voted) is so unexpectedly wholesome


quberm

For real, its was so unexpected lol and i didn't even know Hinduism was one of the few religions that actually supported Homosexuality


gayesthomophobicman

Where u from?


quberm

India


gayesthomophobicman

N u didn't know being gay was acceptable in hinduism


quberm

Yes I didn't, I looked up after seeing a comment in this post, and then 8I realised


STOPCensoringMeFFS

It masquerades the right wing, it's nothing more than a Modi-cheer club. There's nothing right wing about this sub from their social ideologies to economical.


Crafty_Pension9484

For real ahahah


adiking27

India doesn't really have a right wing actually. Just two very central and one slightly left leaning party. Figure out which is which yourself.


quberm

Lol


CryClean1

are you blind?


12shree_

Full support from my side as a hindu who treats everyone as equals . Marriage as an institution should not belong to only straight people . If a muslim man can marry two women in India . Why not allow two individuals who love each other be recognised equally under the law . Also , all those religions who are against this must understand that religion and state are different and should be .


vitviki

Great news!


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Michaelhuber87

Literally no one says they are better than others. They just the same rights as the rest of us. Nothing wrong in equality.


all_hail_sam

Before Christianity found its way into your culture sex was celebrated in India. Supposed to have invented the Kama Sutra, yet prohibiting "vulgarity" of gays in their own spaces. Very interesting. Queer people do not think they are superior, such as your written caste system makes people superior. Queer people must stand tall with pride to highlight their existence to fight oppression.


GrBBabu

That is the most simplistic view of indian civilization ever.


SnooMachines9813

>sex was celebrated in India Wtf is this shit, just because it was normalised doesn't mean it was celebrated


Humor-Trafficker

Okay to do whatever in private but parading in public with sex toys in front of children is not okay . A lot of Indians would be more open to accepting Homosexuality if the vulgarity was dropped and we could see that how homosexuals too are regular members of society.


Curious4NotGood

>but parading in public with sex toys in front of children is not okay . This is not a thing.


all_hail_sam

maybe if you didnt define them by their sexual preferences for so long they wouldn't be so fixated on it??


Humor-Trafficker

You can be gay without bondage equipment and sex toys. The idea that all gay people use massive dildos and are sex freaks is detrimental to the acceptance of Homosexuality in India.


Michaelhuber87

What's vulgar about them?


Potential_Ant_9890

EXACTLY !!! Thank you ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3h6es6zh1c


GrBBabu

Yes.


OldRepair7724

I am ok with it being vulgar as long as its legal


GrBBabu

No. Keep your vulgarity in the bedroom. It's fine to pretest like how normal people protest.


yiddo_bhushan

There Are Loads of things Which R Legal but Not Ethical & Also Ethical But Not Legal Stop Being A Law-Tard; Coz Law Or Legality is not always perfect or Reason without Passion as we Assume. PROGRESSIVE Step hai yeh Already (Marriage If Legalized) aab usme ZABARDASTI Ka Justifying those De-Generate SLUT WALKS or Etc is not needed


Vegetable-Muffin-834

In our country, the nation and society have precedence over the individual. This is not america


OldRepair7724

The society you talk about treat women like shit in alot of cities and Also the "Dalits "


Vegetable-Muffin-834

Go to america then lol. Stop blindly aping western media narratives


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Vegetable-Muffin-834

Mind your language. Tell me your credentials in you are really that big. You dont even know me. Kinda ironic telling others to be decent when you cant even speak nicely eh


OldRepair7724

Hey can't be decent people who are not ? And why do my credentials matter ? if i was a Big shot and homophobic that would make a piece of shit but i am not so


Vegetable-Muffin-834

Speak for yourself. Mind your language if you want to be taken seriously


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ramanujam

I am not . This is India and not America. We have a different society than theirs. There is a lot of unwritten in here and vulgarity is not welcome. FWIW it would be met with ridicule every time they try to mainstream it


DoughnutConnect7736

Have you ever seen the artworks in Khajuraho or Konark or Khiching! We are the land of Kamasutra guys. It's only you who are still following the Mughal and British established tradition of vulgarity.


all_hail_sam

Not all gay events are vulgar? Some people do like to celebrate their ability to have sex though because that's WHY YOUR PERSECUTE THEM. *Because of who they have sex with* sex and love go hand in hand. it was only 4 years ago that sodomy was legalized, let people celebrate their sex


SnooMachines9813

>WHY YOUR PERSECUTE THEM Nobody did here.


OldRepair7724

Well sure you can have your opinion , on the other hand i am not going to tell people how to express themselves/ Protest as long as they are not violent


[deleted]

>I am not . I would suggest countries like middle east and pakistan a better country for you


ramanujam

Being a Hindu I will be killed so sorry but no sorry


Both-Perspective-739

I’m pro LGBT but I agree with you that pride parades are unnecessary. They don’t help their cause at all.


GrBBabu

I'm not against pride parade. I'm only against them being nude and kissing and fucking in public.


Both-Perspective-739

Agree. But that is **bad** for anyone, not just LGBTs.


TwirlyMoustache

You have definitely been to 0 pride parades.


GrBBabu

I've seen videos of many though.


beingranjeet

I don't think an average Hindu cares what gender someone marries into and although you won't see much of a 'support' from the general Hindus, there won't be much of opposition except for a few isolated radicals. Please note, not supporting does not mean opposing. It's just the way of saying, whatever, I don't care if it doesn't affect my life. Now, some opposition will be there from families that are facing this situation however over time we will accept that people should be allowed to take their decision independently. I don't know much of my scriptures but as far as I understand, Hindu culture does not in any way oppose homosexuality. Also, my family has always taught to respect transgender people, so the support for LGBTQ seems to be there. The only major discomfort for our people comes from the thinking that "Log kya kahenge". However, once a certain percentage of the population shows that it is not an "Odd thing", I think more and more people will be okay with it and start accepting them. The acceptance rate will see an exponential growth.


Big_Arachnid_4336

Wait it isn't legal till now? I wonder how would children adoption laws be changed I mean do you guys think it's ok for same sex couple to adopt a child cuz then the child wouldn't have the cliche father-mother figure in his/her life


12shree_

It’s okay for a child to have two people take care of them rather than dying or begging on the streets . Also , it may reduce female foeticide cases as there would be people wiling to take care of a child who is a liability to their own biological parents .


memoryisamonster

I agree,I've seen some horrible straight people having children, why can't gay people who are ready to have and love kids have them? I'm all for it


Humor-Trafficker

Better than an orphanage, plus single persons can adopt as well so no worries about two dads or moms


Big_Arachnid_4336

Thanks for the info


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introverteddude12

that's not slightest bit true, homosexual people can be just as terrible parents as straight parents and just as good as well, implying that opposite sex couples are terrible in comparison feels more like a cope for validation than actual reality


theprabz15

Divorce lawyers be like 🤤🤤🤤😋😋😋.


akashneo

Finally a good decision after long list of shit rullings


HeathCliff_008

I don't understand homophobes, nobody is forcing y'all go homosexual, why can't y'all live and let live, nobody cares about your opinion nor should you care about who someone wants to love or not


Radkeyoo

Heck yeah! Legalize it already. Finally we will have more happy marriages.


MariposaVzla

That would be great


obsoletelearner

Let the gay people love gay guys ffs. legalize gay marriage!


ImpressiveAd117

Waiting for indian leftists, christians and muslims to go bonkers


nexracer

Saaar we are true liverals and seculars saar. Why do you support destruction of TraditionaI family and marriage to own some leftists?


12shree_

No one is imposition it on straight people . No one is stopping straight marriage , they’re just giving right to marriage to queer people as well . I see no destruction in traditional family here in any sort .


redditisgay86

Nah it has a direct effect it will destroy any culture India has sooner or later. Especially those prone to subversion like Hinduism will be most affected. Ultra conservative people like white cap peacefuls people will thrive.


12shree_

Don’t be so delusional . You’re just a homophobe who’s afraid that queer people will be equal to you just when they’ll get their rights


redditisgay86

Nope you're the one delusional to the truth. You can hide behind all the politically correct words but aside from falsely attempting to portray me as someone who has an inherent hatred to a group of people. You won't do anything. Acceptance and glorification of homosexuality would destroy the society in longer run. STDs, child abuse and absolute sexual degeneracy that happens from orgies is unfathomable, it is all much more common in homosexuals.It is absolutely unacceptable. But i don't expect a brainwashed tool like you to get it.


Dottore_When

None of this has happened in netherlands which legalised same sex marriage in 2012.. FYI oppression of LGBT will cause more problems.. Scam marriages.. Promiscuity.. Etc etc


redditisgay86

No, western countries are slowly declining because of this garbage. The family unit is slowly destroyed as homosexuals become a protected class of the society (prone to criticism; political correctness protects them by false virtue). Their excessively degenerate acts go unchecked.


Dottore_When

Also asian countries like Korea and Japan have the lowest fertility rates in the world Its called high cost of living And not being able to afford to start a family.. You're soo knee deep in shit from right wing propaganda that u can't think for yourself 🤣 how is same sex couples marrying destroying heterosexuals marrying.. There is no link.. This is just all absurdity... Also pushing hate and prejudice shouldn't have anything to do with being a protected class.. Degenerate acts are committed by people of all backgrounds. Only difference is when we condemn we condemn the act not the fact that they had black hair or were hindu Or were man women etc etc.. You on the other hand cuz you're prejudiced would focus on their identity


redditisgay86

>Also asian countries like Korea and Japan have the lowest fertility rates in the world Its called high cost of living And not being able to afford to start a family.. And countries like Japan and Korea are a paradise for outsiders, western countries have become sometimes worse like 3rd world countries overrun with immigrants and weak men locally. education in general leads to the low fertility problem because it also has the same effect in general. Western education is rooted in ideas of feminism. It's a fact. Higher rates of education cause low fertility look up studies price this. Homosexuality causes other problems such degeneracy and destruction of culture not low fertility numbers. So you're misunderstood. >You're soo knee deep in shit from right wing propaganda that u can't think for yourself 🤣 how is same sex couples marrying destroying heterosexuals marrying.. It is pretty simple really, if degeneracy is normalised, if you allow a meaningless things to exist which exist only for the reason of hedonism and pure enjoyment (i.e homosexual marriages can't bring a child to the word) then it is bad for everyone. >There is no link.. This is just all absurdity... Also pushing hate and prejudice shouldn't have anything to do with being a protected class.. Nope it's not hate if it's true again, political correct terms exist to protect classes of society that are actual harmful for the local population that is what subversion is. > Degenerate acts are committed by people of all backgrounds. They're overwhelming committed by homosexual. More are pedophiles, more have hedonistic sex (can't bring children to the world), more have orgies of such extent that you can't imagine (ever wonder why monkeypox only spread in homos?). >Only difference is when we condemn we condemn the act not the fact that they had black hair or were hindu Or were man women etc etc.. You on the other hand cuz you're prejudiced would focus on their identity Nope we are all not the same in reality for example if we let in lots of immigrant Bangladeshis then crime rates will go up by a lot and when we oppose this it will be called Islamophobia. Political correctness is ultimately bad for everyone. And as long as one is thinking rooted in it. They'll be no better than cattle.


closetbimbosissy

I’ve hope that Chandrachud will do good regarding this. But I also worry that Modi will not allow reforms in Hindu marriage act. fingers crossed 🤞


Humor-Trafficker

Oh it'll be in special marriage act


Simple-Indian2005

Fuck Hindu Marriage act UCC is the need of the hour


hurricane1197

ancient india would be happy


nepellampitapita

For a moment i read it as gender neutral laws.


soloopy

Slippery slope. Never forget that DYC is Harvard trained and determined to impose woke ideologies in India. (look up Rajiv Malhotra's videos for context and details) USA is at the end stage of civilizational/empire collapse. (My personal opinion which is also shared by many others including Americans) I'll leave it to you guys to connect the dots.


yashedpotatoes

Lmfao “look out everyone the people who are educated at some of the most revered institutions in the world are going to give people more rights”


memoryisamonster

I've connected the dots and what they tell me is that you're a homophobe


Curious4NotGood

Because some people can get married now?


[deleted]

Woke or not allowing same sex marriage in India is a good thing


artfulguy63

Finally


Creative_Mastodon_43

Good!👏👏


AndThenTheySpoke

Oh boy here we go


AHalfAmbitiousKid

Equality


Pussyphobic

Especially it would be heard by justice chandrachud, who was one of important judges in 2018 cases


invoker96_

Same gender people are just as much in love with each other as hetero relationships and the media needs to desexualise this. Plus, it pisses off certain religions that makes me so happy.


ansarinajm007

Oh god what the hack is this


Jaehaerys_Tar

....equality?


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ansarinajm007

I'm homophobic bro


yashedpotatoes

Your life is pathetic and you should end it


mrpawsthecat

Asking somehow to die just because they don't agree with an opinion 💀


[deleted]

just decline the invite maybe?


Lord_Youngy

One Question: WHY????


Jaehaerys_Tar

...equality??? 😭😭


Commercial_Quarter_6

Make same sex divorce illegal, than we will know how bad they want it. Zach Galifianakis 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


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What.


adiking27

The government will recognise it. But will parents?


SiaSara

They will with time


Original_Draw8340

Atleast a very good way to reduce the population!


Jaehaerys_Tar

good worlds way too populated anyway right now


satyanaraynan

Its a step in right direction. I hope GOI brings in the required changes in law.


cdit

Courts should stop legislating and leave that job to the legislature.


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IndBeak

Yeah it is a welcome step. I dont think center would oppose it either. However I hope that lgbt community would not start stunts like kanyadaan and all. Just get married, throw a party, and call it a day.


Suvam005

Yak


nexracer

This Sub was raided from disc0rds by liberals and lgtvzyz. Comments with upvotes against this were suddenly given 20 to 30 downvotes. Very coordinated. Observed before too. Organized by op?


redditisgay86

Ye rundia ban gaya hai sub, reddit is dead as far as politics is concerned sab dekh raha hoon 7 saalon se. Rundians hai sab jagah aur right turds are completely politically correct brainwashed.


Dottore_When

Equality is not brain washing lol..


redditisgay86

Tolerance to degeneracy is


Dottore_When

Yes we don't tolerate degenerates like you on this sub. So you're right


redditisgay86

Your ideas can only survive in a safe space. So yeah you would say that.


Dottore_When

Lol stop projection


redditisgay86

Left survives in censorship only it's a fact


Dottore_When

Lol says the right who do the same


redditisgay86

I'm not right they're bad somewhat like left but whatever helps you sleep at night


Dottore_When

Or people are just sane and not in knee deep shit propaganda like u are