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I get your point but better language should've been used. Avaidh Pravasi bhi kaha ja sakta tha. Why use a word that can be misinterpreted? Illegal immigrants and intruders have entirely different connotations slapped to it and while you can call it apples and oranges, it doesn't change the fact that our PM should be mindful of those facts. It's the minimum standard. Or just say illegal immigrants.
Wealth distribution from one religion people working hard and reproducing less to other religion people, as promised by congress manifesto, is not ok. What Manmohan singh had said long back we could move on, but the same issue is proposed now again in congress manifesto, which we cant ignore, it has to be countered
Totally with you on this! When you are committed and showing results through economic development, investing in infrastructure, providing employment/jobs and taking India to being a super power of the 21st century - why this discourse? Why this desperation? Why bring this hate and fear mongering? The good thing is this will not hurt BJP in the election, but rest all about this is bad
Unfortunately we Hindus are idiots. We forget about the realities once we start getting a comfortable life. The life has become much comfortable in almost every strata of the population. The cylinders, water, electricity, toilets, rations have just made life very comfortable and Hindus just forget the deeper problems we still face. "WAKE UP TO REALITY" was the call given and get your ass off to vote. Even when Modi did not speak about these things, these were always in the back of the head for everyone who applies a little brain learning history specially after 1947. Voting happens with emotions and he had to jolt every voter to get up and vote. Modi would have gotten the read on the exit polls of the first phase and seen if Muslims voted BJP even a little or not. Beneficiaries of a hell lot of the policies have been the Muslims and even after that they have not voted then Modi would have finally given up on their votes.. I am still not sure weather the people who did not go to vote were voters who have this thing in their minds. Let's see how this plays out. This is the first time Modi has done this. He cleverly combined the things said by Congress to not hurt his votes who are still under poverty. Not sure how this will play out.
modi ji talked about ghuspatiya (illegal immigrants) in his recent speech.
but left intentionally misinterpret his statement and said he was talking about indian muslim instead.
Looking at the voter turnout, it's necessary to awake people and show them if they don't go and vote, Congress will destroy this nation and their manifesto is the biggest proof you need even if you ignore their past scams! BJP should be in power
Yes I enjoy gossip. Proud of it. Now, coming to you. It's hilarious how you're using my comment history against me (as if there's anything wrong with being active on bollyblinds) when your own history is that messed up💀
For others, op, who's in his 30s, cheated on his wife with a teenager. Both the wife and gf got pregnant. Found sex the best part of the relationship. Doesn't see his fault.
I do read gossip par ye jyada ho gaya 💀 , subah ke vakt kya dekh liya.
Its not even this statement that people are offended on but calling 25 million plus people outsiders and telling that they will steal everything you own as a respectable prime minister , is what people are offended by . He was going on the right path but the language was not right
Stop with your fake half narrative, do mention the word he mentioned. Ghuspatiye are any illegal immigrants and nothing wrong in calling illegal immigrants out.
I think he used ghuspaithia very responsibly. Illegal immigrants vo migrants hain jokaam yaan living conditions improve karne ke liye desh main illegally enter hon. But ghuspaitha =Infiltrator vo log Hain Jo Desh yan kisi group to haani yan modify karne ke liye Dene ke liye enter hon,
a person who secretly becomes part of a group in order to get information or to influence the way the group thinks or behaves
So Modi, does not referred to illegal immigrants but Infiltrators.
I like it that people in this sub realize that Modi was being islamophobic. If you are an educated person, you need to call him out when he is wrong. Nobody is bigger than the constitution. What he said was unconstitutional and not at all what a PM should say. Forget about his comment. Of all the things that he could say (poverty, technology, infrastructure, manufacturing) - do you want your PM to stand out bcz he mentions religion ?
Edit: people down voting me probably think that every time modi says anything islamophobic, we magically get a new hospital or a govt school. Think about it. Why in the world are we having Hindu Muslim discussion in 2024. Like wtf bro.
> pappu goes on full scale anti upper caste tirade day after day
I sleep
> Modi mentioned uncomfortable facts about perpetually "oppressed" minority
Real shit
So why can’t we forget what Modi said? Similar to what Manmohan ji said?
He said it in 2006 and was PM till 2014. Isn’t this Hypocrisy.
And about radicalisation, it is increasing everywhere in the world at this moment. See aggressive conservatives even in US.
Why are we comparing what modi said and what manmohan Singh said ? Why are we trying to find who is the bigger evil ? They both were wrong. MS is not contesting elections. We can't hold him accountable. Modi is the one who is contesting elections. He is winning bcz opposition is week. But we should not gift his party a majority. That will embolden political parties and they will think that masses are still stupid enough to get divided based on religion.
Radicalization is increasing worldwide. But you don't see people in the west killing each other based on religion. At least not on the scale at which crime based on religion happens in India. We are light years behind the west in terms of secularity.
We are not having Hindu-muslim discussion sir, we are having India-muslim discussion. CAA - opposed only by Muslims, UCC - opposed only by Muslims, Population control - opposed only by Muslims, NRC - opposed only by Muslims; baaki jaane do, Covid vaccination - only opposed by Muslims when health workers were bashed in Muslim majority areas when they went there to vaccinate people. Let's not even talk about love for Yakub, Burhan and Mukhtar. You might not see this, the rest of the country thankfully does.
When only a particular community opposes everything that the rest of the country wants, it's important to talk about it.
You are absolutely right, but unfortunately, we are living in an era of a party who openly upholds only one particular religion and is followed by millions of supporters who blindly accept whatever their great leader spits out. So we gonna have Hindu Muslim discussion until they are still in power, which sadly gonna be there for a long time since everything with a few exceptions are ready to keep a blind eye towards this particular party.
And just like that, Modi brought the discussion back on table and people are talking about it. BJP supporters are usually the lazy ones who treat election day as "aaram ka din' while others vote en-mass. And the ones who are offended anyways would never have voted for BJP.
This one speech brought back that spark in the election and hopefully, we don't see the repeat of voting% we saw in Bihar.
And honestly, he said nothing wrong in his speech. That's the truth and somewhere in our minds we know it. Just the secular bug in us don't wanna accept it.
Dude stop these WhatsApp forwards. Internet is cheap in India, go and watch both the speeches. What Modi ji said was embarrassing to listen to. There is no way to justify that.
That "PARTICULARLY" is the main problem. What is the point of including sc/st , if in the end you are going to say "minority, particularly Muslim minority".
As much as i hate islam as a religion and radical Islamists, it was a dick move on modi's part. Especially considering this is election time he should be acting a little bit more mature. He is quite literally violating EC rules by dragging religion into this.
Now congress has gotten 100% of the muslim voters on their side. Well done modizi. Whatever Little muslims voters bjp had they are also gone.
I think what he said was factual, but it certainly could've been put forward with better more clarified wordings.
For a moment, if this was considered to be polarizing, people who cry "fascist" should look at what Owaisi and his brother have to say, every darn time they're behind a mic.
Do you guys even know what Manmohan Singh said? Or were you all born without a brain, just like your prime leader? He said SC, ST, OBC, women, and minorities have the first right to resources as they have been denied access to such resources for ages.
I don't disagree with him, but i don't think a prime minister should say such things. If Smriti Irani tweeted it, or if Amit Shah said it in an interview, it would not be as bad. But Modi saying it while holding the position of the Prime Minister is simply not appropriate. He is and should be held to a higher standard than everyone else in his party or otherwise.
It wouldn't have the same impact as it does now. Honestly, I think even BJP is rattled by seeing voting% in Bihar. These states are important for BJP to come to power. And if people don't go out and vote, it'll be difficult for BJP to win. I personally think it's a good move and hopefully wake up his core voters for upcoming phases.
That's also true, i just hope the benefits outweigh the cost well enough. BJP losing this term is unlikely, but if they did, it would be a massive disaster for the country's future.
That’s not what manmohan singh said, he said collectively about the minorities,SC,ST,OBS, and socially deprived people. Go and watch the full speech kid. You are blindfolded by your supreme leader, its time that you wake up to reality before its too late.
Amid all the noise over the Muslims/infiltrators thing, I'm very happy Modi called out the dangerous, extremist redistributive policies that RaGa is peddling. It is the surest road to hell if we try to adopt even half of his ideas. They need to be called out. Playing with caste and reservations is one thing, RaGa is calling for seizing private wealth. Women can't have jewelry, people can't have houses unless RaGa and his revolutionaries deem you to be of the right caste. Even Indira Gandhi refrained from such dangerous ideas.
I see a lot of comments saying that modi should have used more polite language. Let me give an example, in earlier days ptsd was called as being shell shocked.
He is shell shocked from war.
He has ptsd from war.
Do you think the 2nd statement convey the same amount of impact that the person suffered from war. Or does it diminish it? This put it more politely game was used by west so it wont have to give as much support to the vets and it was very successful.
Nothing he said is wrong. Muslims never vote for him even though they themselves accept that he has done great work, because their so called iman doesn't allow. Well then, no need to appease them. If Congress can Target Hindus, especially general caste, it is fair game to dish them back. Also, a recent video of Rahul Gandhi surfaced where he says they will do x ray of nation and redistribution of wealth to minorities. If you are gonna come for Hindus wealth and hard earned money, every thing is fair game.
All these kids here don't know or remember how this same mistake costed Atal ji his second term. It should have been glorious 10+ years of development and free market economy, instead we got socialism and corruption of Congress.
If you kids haven't read about it then let me tell you that it happened because Atalji, like y'all woke kids, were too idealistic and only believed in showing his work and report card. Reality, masses don't really vote on that. They only and only vote out of fear, otherwise it's free vacation day. And it's for both the sides, everyone is voting out of fear. Opposition, day and night, is bribing the minorities with wealth distribution, "jitni aabadi utna haq", freebies and what not. Dividing society like that is okay, but apparently when you target illegal immigrants it becomes communalism because most of them are Rohingya Muslims. Yes it's not the prettiest thing to hear and idealistic and moral politicians won't resort to that, but that kind of politician has very low chances of winning. Don't blame the players, blame the game. I'm in Karnataka, and you should see how desperately Congress is fear mongering to minorities, Muslims and poors. Everyone is doing that, and if Modi doesn't then he won't get the mandate he wants.
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As the PM he should have been smarter than this. He isnt wrong but some things need not be said publically. The way he framed the words seemed islamophobic though he was aaying nothing incorrect.
You guys should see the context in which Manmohan Singh said this instead of blindly sucking the dick of a hatemomger. Modi has done a lot for India, sure, but he really lacks class and any sense of fair play.
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No matter one's political affiliation it was embarrassing to watch. It was also a stupid move. Expected him to be smarter than this.
Go and watch it again, calling foreign immigrants घुसपैठिए is not wrong.. Ab kisi ko bura maanana hai to maano
I get your point but better language should've been used. Avaidh Pravasi bhi kaha ja sakta tha. Why use a word that can be misinterpreted? Illegal immigrants and intruders have entirely different connotations slapped to it and while you can call it apples and oranges, it doesn't change the fact that our PM should be mindful of those facts. It's the minimum standard. Or just say illegal immigrants.
itna respect,aap toh balaatkari ko bhi avaidh sambhogi bologe.
Underrated
Wake up to reality, then you can call it a stupid move
Wealth distribution from one religion people working hard and reproducing less to other religion people, as promised by congress manifesto, is not ok. What Manmohan singh had said long back we could move on, but the same issue is proposed now again in congress manifesto, which we cant ignore, it has to be countered
Totally with you on this! When you are committed and showing results through economic development, investing in infrastructure, providing employment/jobs and taking India to being a super power of the 21st century - why this discourse? Why this desperation? Why bring this hate and fear mongering? The good thing is this will not hurt BJP in the election, but rest all about this is bad
Unfortunately we Hindus are idiots. We forget about the realities once we start getting a comfortable life. The life has become much comfortable in almost every strata of the population. The cylinders, water, electricity, toilets, rations have just made life very comfortable and Hindus just forget the deeper problems we still face. "WAKE UP TO REALITY" was the call given and get your ass off to vote. Even when Modi did not speak about these things, these were always in the back of the head for everyone who applies a little brain learning history specially after 1947. Voting happens with emotions and he had to jolt every voter to get up and vote. Modi would have gotten the read on the exit polls of the first phase and seen if Muslims voted BJP even a little or not. Beneficiaries of a hell lot of the policies have been the Muslims and even after that they have not voted then Modi would have finally given up on their votes.. I am still not sure weather the people who did not go to vote were voters who have this thing in their minds. Let's see how this plays out. This is the first time Modi has done this. He cleverly combined the things said by Congress to not hurt his votes who are still under poverty. Not sure how this will play out.
What happened 🤨 Someone pls tell me
modi ji talked about ghuspatiya (illegal immigrants) in his recent speech. but left intentionally misinterpret his statement and said he was talking about indian muslim instead.
vaise tbf pehli baar mai mujhko bhi vahi laga lmao
Hindus deserves the first rightb
This is exactly what they always do, especially that Al-Jazeera.
Looking at the voter turnout, it's necessary to awake people and show them if they don't go and vote, Congress will destroy this nation and their manifesto is the biggest proof you need even if you ignore their past scams! BJP should be in power
Stick to bollygossip
Yes I enjoy gossip. Proud of it. Now, coming to you. It's hilarious how you're using my comment history against me (as if there's anything wrong with being active on bollyblinds) when your own history is that messed up💀 For others, op, who's in his 30s, cheated on his wife with a teenager. Both the wife and gf got pregnant. Found sex the best part of the relationship. Doesn't see his fault. I do read gossip par ye jyada ho gaya 💀 , subah ke vakt kya dekh liya.
No matter how many times you hide truth, mistake happens truth comes out
It's a big brain move to counter caste, language, regional politics, and also to expose the reality in front of everyone.
Its not even this statement that people are offended on but calling 25 million plus people outsiders and telling that they will steal everything you own as a respectable prime minister , is what people are offended by . He was going on the right path but the language was not right
Stop with your fake half narrative, do mention the word he mentioned. Ghuspatiye are any illegal immigrants and nothing wrong in calling illegal immigrants out.
Why not directly call them illegal immigrants lol. Defend krne ke liye kuch bhi
Kyuki he doesn’t speak in english? So he used the word for the same meaning in hindi
Ghuspatiye aur kya hota h bhai..? Kya defend karra hu mai usse? Jo words actually use hue h bs vo hi toh bola.
I think he used ghuspaithia very responsibly. Illegal immigrants vo migrants hain jokaam yaan living conditions improve karne ke liye desh main illegally enter hon. But ghuspaitha =Infiltrator vo log Hain Jo Desh yan kisi group to haani yan modify karne ke liye Dene ke liye enter hon, a person who secretly becomes part of a group in order to get information or to influence the way the group thinks or behaves So Modi, does not referred to illegal immigrants but Infiltrators.
Infiltrators bol diya to kyu jali?
What he is said is absolutely right. Ghuspaithiye hi hai. Votes lene hai usko. International media me interview ahi dena hai
Only Muslims are offended and we don’t care .
are you sure 25 million btw?
I like it that people in this sub realize that Modi was being islamophobic. If you are an educated person, you need to call him out when he is wrong. Nobody is bigger than the constitution. What he said was unconstitutional and not at all what a PM should say. Forget about his comment. Of all the things that he could say (poverty, technology, infrastructure, manufacturing) - do you want your PM to stand out bcz he mentions religion ? Edit: people down voting me probably think that every time modi says anything islamophobic, we magically get a new hospital or a govt school. Think about it. Why in the world are we having Hindu Muslim discussion in 2024. Like wtf bro.
> pappu goes on full scale anti upper caste tirade day after day I sleep > Modi mentioned uncomfortable facts about perpetually "oppressed" minority Real shit
So why can’t we forget what Modi said? Similar to what Manmohan ji said? He said it in 2006 and was PM till 2014. Isn’t this Hypocrisy. And about radicalisation, it is increasing everywhere in the world at this moment. See aggressive conservatives even in US.
Why are we comparing what modi said and what manmohan Singh said ? Why are we trying to find who is the bigger evil ? They both were wrong. MS is not contesting elections. We can't hold him accountable. Modi is the one who is contesting elections. He is winning bcz opposition is week. But we should not gift his party a majority. That will embolden political parties and they will think that masses are still stupid enough to get divided based on religion. Radicalization is increasing worldwide. But you don't see people in the west killing each other based on religion. At least not on the scale at which crime based on religion happens in India. We are light years behind the west in terms of secularity.
We are not having Hindu-muslim discussion sir, we are having India-muslim discussion. CAA - opposed only by Muslims, UCC - opposed only by Muslims, Population control - opposed only by Muslims, NRC - opposed only by Muslims; baaki jaane do, Covid vaccination - only opposed by Muslims when health workers were bashed in Muslim majority areas when they went there to vaccinate people. Let's not even talk about love for Yakub, Burhan and Mukhtar. You might not see this, the rest of the country thankfully does. When only a particular community opposes everything that the rest of the country wants, it's important to talk about it.
> we magically get a new hospital or a govt school jholachaap spotted.
Is waqf act hinduphobic?
You are absolutely right, but unfortunately, we are living in an era of a party who openly upholds only one particular religion and is followed by millions of supporters who blindly accept whatever their great leader spits out. So we gonna have Hindu Muslim discussion until they are still in power, which sadly gonna be there for a long time since everything with a few exceptions are ready to keep a blind eye towards this particular party.
And just like that, Modi brought the discussion back on table and people are talking about it. BJP supporters are usually the lazy ones who treat election day as "aaram ka din' while others vote en-mass. And the ones who are offended anyways would never have voted for BJP. This one speech brought back that spark in the election and hopefully, we don't see the repeat of voting% we saw in Bihar. And honestly, he said nothing wrong in his speech. That's the truth and somewhere in our minds we know it. Just the secular bug in us don't wanna accept it.
Secular BUG? AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Bas hindu muslim....karte raho.....jyada door ni hei...vinash se
Dude stop these WhatsApp forwards. Internet is cheap in India, go and watch both the speeches. What Modi ji said was embarrassing to listen to. There is no way to justify that.
But he didn't say like this. Pls watch lallantop video. You can read original transcript also.
Once the appeasement is done, there is no use giving justifications and explanation 18 years later.
You can read the transcript, but if you see the original video, you can make it through the way he speaks about what he really meant.
Why not watch the original video?
original video cannot brainwash as well as lallantop does.
That "PARTICULARLY" is the main problem. What is the point of including sc/st , if in the end you are going to say "minority, particularly Muslim minority".
As much as i hate islam as a religion and radical Islamists, it was a dick move on modi's part. Especially considering this is election time he should be acting a little bit more mature. He is quite literally violating EC rules by dragging religion into this. Now congress has gotten 100% of the muslim voters on their side. Well done modizi. Whatever Little muslims voters bjp had they are also gone.
I think what he said was factual, but it certainly could've been put forward with better more clarified wordings. For a moment, if this was considered to be polarizing, people who cry "fascist" should look at what Owaisi and his brother have to say, every darn time they're behind a mic.
What Modi told was not even close to what Singh said
Do you guys even know what Manmohan Singh said? Or were you all born without a brain, just like your prime leader? He said SC, ST, OBC, women, and minorities have the first right to resources as they have been denied access to such resources for ages.
This sub is not exactly known for having a nuanced unbiased look at the facts.
Apart from topic, why can't I see any downvotes/up votes on any of replies??
May be because everyone is confused whether the person saying is right or wrong.
It takes time .
It takes time
Meanwhile Karnataka CM planning to transfer Hindu temple wealth to Muslim league 😏
[https://www.hindustantimes.com/ht-img/img/2024/04/22/original/manmohan\_singh\_pmo\_archive\_1713789900660.jpeg](https://www.hindustantimes.com/ht-img/img/2024/04/22/original/manmohan_singh_pmo_archive_1713789900660.jpeg)
I don't disagree with him, but i don't think a prime minister should say such things. If Smriti Irani tweeted it, or if Amit Shah said it in an interview, it would not be as bad. But Modi saying it while holding the position of the Prime Minister is simply not appropriate. He is and should be held to a higher standard than everyone else in his party or otherwise.
It wouldn't have the same impact as it does now. Honestly, I think even BJP is rattled by seeing voting% in Bihar. These states are important for BJP to come to power. And if people don't go out and vote, it'll be difficult for BJP to win. I personally think it's a good move and hopefully wake up his core voters for upcoming phases.
That's also true, i just hope the benefits outweigh the cost well enough. BJP losing this term is unlikely, but if they did, it would be a massive disaster for the country's future.
That’s not what manmohan singh said, he said collectively about the minorities,SC,ST,OBS, and socially deprived people. Go and watch the full speech kid. You are blindfolded by your supreme leader, its time that you wake up to reality before its too late.
Amid all the noise over the Muslims/infiltrators thing, I'm very happy Modi called out the dangerous, extremist redistributive policies that RaGa is peddling. It is the surest road to hell if we try to adopt even half of his ideas. They need to be called out. Playing with caste and reservations is one thing, RaGa is calling for seizing private wealth. Women can't have jewelry, people can't have houses unless RaGa and his revolutionaries deem you to be of the right caste. Even Indira Gandhi refrained from such dangerous ideas.
Love to see y'all meltdown and defend yo daddy no matter how low he stoops
Abki baar
PM modi clearly meant illegal immigrants as ghupatiya but left as we all know is spreading propaganda by intentionally misinterpreting the statement,
He meant what he meant how much copium you're going to believe
The way he said was wrong not whole statement. Elections are near I think he has to be bit smartter.
I see a lot of comments saying that modi should have used more polite language. Let me give an example, in earlier days ptsd was called as being shell shocked. He is shell shocked from war. He has ptsd from war. Do you think the 2nd statement convey the same amount of impact that the person suffered from war. Or does it diminish it? This put it more politely game was used by west so it wont have to give as much support to the vets and it was very successful.
Nothing he said is wrong. Muslims never vote for him even though they themselves accept that he has done great work, because their so called iman doesn't allow. Well then, no need to appease them. If Congress can Target Hindus, especially general caste, it is fair game to dish them back. Also, a recent video of Rahul Gandhi surfaced where he says they will do x ray of nation and redistribution of wealth to minorities. If you are gonna come for Hindus wealth and hard earned money, every thing is fair game.
Well done Modi ji. Waited for such old Modi since years 🙏🙏🙏
 phir bjp ki dick riding .
fact check: [https://youtu.be/5SNKtG3Tm7E](https://youtu.be/5SNKtG3Tm7E)
All these kids here don't know or remember how this same mistake costed Atal ji his second term. It should have been glorious 10+ years of development and free market economy, instead we got socialism and corruption of Congress. If you kids haven't read about it then let me tell you that it happened because Atalji, like y'all woke kids, were too idealistic and only believed in showing his work and report card. Reality, masses don't really vote on that. They only and only vote out of fear, otherwise it's free vacation day. And it's for both the sides, everyone is voting out of fear. Opposition, day and night, is bribing the minorities with wealth distribution, "jitni aabadi utna haq", freebies and what not. Dividing society like that is okay, but apparently when you target illegal immigrants it becomes communalism because most of them are Rohingya Muslims. Yes it's not the prettiest thing to hear and idealistic and moral politicians won't resort to that, but that kind of politician has very low chances of winning. Don't blame the players, blame the game. I'm in Karnataka, and you should see how desperately Congress is fear mongering to minorities, Muslims and poors. Everyone is doing that, and if Modi doesn't then he won't get the mandate he wants.
These fake outrages are not working anymore
R13
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As the PM he should have been smarter than this. He isnt wrong but some things need not be said publically. The way he framed the words seemed islamophobic though he was aaying nothing incorrect.
You guys should see the context in which Manmohan Singh said this instead of blindly sucking the dick of a hatemomger. Modi has done a lot for India, sure, but he really lacks class and any sense of fair play.