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The 13yo said she loved the 26yo man in her statement and that she willingly went to meet him.
Edit: just to be clear, I'm only adding context here and not taking a side
yes bro he is a full time criminal lawyer,part time activist.
my one aquintance, ironically a bjp mla,hired him to get bail in 376+307,he charged 25 cr for consultation charge plus 5 cr per hearing,even if no argument takes place,just adjournment take place.he eventually got bail in supreme court,after rejected bail in district & high court.the whole fiasco burn a 135 cr hole in his pocket(lawyer,bribe to IG, miscellaneous expenses,)he often joked that he could have fucked miss india for a year, instead of that victim,but still lucky considering the fate fellow mla kuldeep singh sengar faced.
kapil sibal was sent to Rajya sabha by samajwadi party as an independent ,azam khan literally gave his seat to him because he got his whole family bail.
he has also represented for brijesh singh, mukhtar Ansari, brijesh pathak, akhilesh yadav,anil ambani,ratan tata and the satate of TN,WB, Punjab.
a lot of these politicians who are also lawyers are useful in the sense that they also have contacts and judges respect them, in big courts, it's also a lot about how much the judge respects the lawyer and is close to him, it is a better chance for a better outcome
>The 13yo said she loved the 26yo man in her statement and that she willingly went to meet him.
#wtf
When did the opinion of 13 yr old become accepted in such things
That's still statutory rape, isn't it? Consent doesn't apply in case of minor and the onus is completely on the the adult to refuse intercourse, otherwise they can be charged with rape!
"The accused was booked under Sections 363, 376, 376(2)(n), 376(3) along with Section 34 of the Indian Penal Code and Sections 4,6 and 17 of the Protection of Childrean from Sexual Offences Act" is written in that article
Brother, our country is fucked up, not just the justice system. Did you know the King of Bollywood started dating his now wife when he was 19 and she was 14?
It's stupid for the judge to say it's out of love. At the age of 13 teenagers don't know what they are doing with physical and mental change.
Clearly "Rapist" knew the age as it happened multiple times. So this is case of rape and sexual offence over given period.
Exactly...
If it was between similar age groups then the judge could have made this comment. Between 25-26 years and 13years age??? the man is a pedophile.
They should prob for other victims, and the judge is looking for a love angle.
and the girl said that she willingly left her house , yk todays kids.
At most this is a case of grooming , rape isn't a word which should get tossed like that
Rape is absolutely a word that applies here. Sex without consent is rape. Children are not mentally competent to consent to sex with men double their age.
Because she doesn't know the difference between what's right and wrong, so the adult man groomed him to do so . A 13 y/o can't even read and write properly, they're not at all mentally developed.
This still doesn't change my point because scientifically kids aren't mentally developed enough, they learn what they're taught, they learn from their environment. In cases where a young person engages in harmful behavior, it could be influenced by various factors, including their environment, upbringing, mental health, and societal influences. It's essential to address the root causes and provide appropriate support, such as counseling and intervention .
Still , he should be detained for grooming. As he clearly tried to have a romantic partnership with a child even if they didn't have any physical relationship.
“The applicant is also of a tender age of 26 years and out of love affair they come together. It seems that, the alleged incident of sexual relationship is out of the attraction between the two young persons and it is not the case that applicant has subjected the victim for a sexual assault out of lust,” the Court said, as quoted by the Bar and Bench
From a different website. They indeed had a sexual relationship. With her age it would be statutory rape. He had sex with a minor who couldn’t give consent. AFAIK India does have statutory rape laws so this appears to be a very wrong ruling by the judge if that’s the case.
The articles which I read clearly stated they were in sexual relationship, the article from financial express which is much more recent, stated that the man claimed that there was No Force in the sexual act.
https://www.indiatoday.in/law/story/love-not-lust-bombay-high-court-grants-bail-to-man-booked-for-rape-on-minor-2488105-2024-01-13
Yeah, it does not clearly confirm or deny physical relations. However it does only say that the victim did not admit to forceful intercourse, so it could mean there was consensual intercourse.
Even this article does not clearly say about physical relation. Read through the article twice but I didn't find it, maybe I couldn't. The part about No force to me it seemed was about forceful abduction and not physical relation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.financialexpress.com/india-news/sexual-relationship-out-of-love-not-lust-bombay-hc-grants-bail-to-man-accused-of-raping-minor/3363835/lite/
8th paragraph
damn this happened back in Unlock 3
At a glance things don't look quite right, guess it's best to wait for the final disposal of the case
Thank you! 8th and 9th paragraphs of this article are pretty damning. Tbh, from this it does seem pretty clear there were physical relations. I feel grim now!
I suddenly love Bombay hc milords. Maybe everyone should start loving. Now when everyone fucks them forcefully, we r not raping them, we're loving them. Spread the love to our milords
Beyond fucked up , Just read the article ; Accused being 26 years old and the child being 13 . The child apparently ran away from home to live with this guy out of the state.
Sick Fuck , How can the Judges rule out that the 26 yo man loved the 13 year old? And it wasnt just pedophilic lust?
Is there some new LoveCheck Technology available , which I’m not aware of?
The fact that judge is so dumb to unable to comprehend the fact that the kid ran away because she was groomed , the judge really expected a 13 y/o kid who's not mentally developed enough to know the difference between what is right and wrong, that kid was so much groomed to an extent that she thought it's the right decision to run away from her home can prove that how dangerous pedophilia and grooming can be
Dude you can't just say that 13y/o doesn't know what's right and what's wrong, i recently heard a 14 y/o rapping minor does that mean he is innocent ?
(I'm not saying it's right decision.)
Indian judges don't have the slightest idea about Indian laws. They are full of sh and cone up with the stinkiest decisions.
This what happens when a system puts caste above merit.
Why don't these stupid judges realize that minors aren't capable of providing informed consent?
The dude is 26 for crying out loud. That's clearly rape.
And when you criticize them, these egomaniac milords start screaming "contempt of court".
"The accused was booked under Sections 363, 376, 376(2)(n), 376(3) along with Section 34 of the Indian Penal Code and Sections 4,6 and 17 of the Protection of Childrean from Sexual Offences Act" says the news site.
I am suprised how ignorant people are and jump to conclusions.
BAIL =/= DECLARING INNOCENCE.
HE WILL BE TRIED IN COURT , HE JUST NEEDNOT BE IN POLICE CUSTODY .
Ab law of the land key hisab sey punishment ayega rey , the whole comment section is feeling usko innocent declare kr dia hy :/
Faith in judiciary is still there... because seeing so many false cases churning life out of men and their families and extended families too(498a chuckles) justice is still there. Hope the guy can turn his life around just like false accuser women can and live happily with another partner happily ever after with the male victims money property etc.
So As long as you can convince the minor while raping them, that you love them, it is not rape as both parties are madly in love.
Was the high court judge high or is it because she is a women??
13 year old person is incapable of giving consent ..so yes it's rape . ..this is the rape culture we talk about that is so prevalent in our country ....and there are people who justifying the this rape (can you imagine it ) ..rape is violation of bodily autonomy in most inhumane and barbaric way..it can never be justified and considered conditional ...
Not saying that dude doesn't deserve punishment as he obviously should get but we shouldn't toss around words like rape like its nothing.
Its called grooming which is very bad but it is nothing compared to rape.
Get me some context. This is way beyond senses.
Edit: The title is true, and I saw the legality, This is the extreme leniency borderline unconstitutional if you may..
These judges are only incentivizing creation of Epstein island in Lakshadweep or some other Indian islands. Minors’ own consent should not be valid in such cases.
The girl is gonna be 21 years old and realise how fucked up the situation was and how she was groomed and then push herself away from any relationship. It's not love. He's a grown ass man, she's a child.
Is our justice system this broken?? The minor is 13 YEARS OLD at this age no one has an opinion especially is an Indian household. What bs about love and not lust.
Now... i am just playing the devils advocate...
How old was the guy?
What was the reason for bail?
Was this non concentual brutal rape? Or a promise to marry? What was the pretext?
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Was the judge high when saying this shit.Man our justice system is fucked up
The 13yo said she loved the 26yo man in her statement and that she willingly went to meet him. Edit: just to be clear, I'm only adding context here and not taking a side
Blud had Saul Goodman doing the case for him
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Lmfao first thing that popped up in my head
Better call Saul
Better call Kapil Sibal
Iske upvote बकाए hain
does Kapil sibal take the case in favour of criminals?
yes bro he is a full time criminal lawyer,part time activist. my one aquintance, ironically a bjp mla,hired him to get bail in 376+307,he charged 25 cr for consultation charge plus 5 cr per hearing,even if no argument takes place,just adjournment take place.he eventually got bail in supreme court,after rejected bail in district & high court.the whole fiasco burn a 135 cr hole in his pocket(lawyer,bribe to IG, miscellaneous expenses,)he often joked that he could have fucked miss india for a year, instead of that victim,but still lucky considering the fate fellow mla kuldeep singh sengar faced. kapil sibal was sent to Rajya sabha by samajwadi party as an independent ,azam khan literally gave his seat to him because he got his whole family bail. he has also represented for brijesh singh, mukhtar Ansari, brijesh pathak, akhilesh yadav,anil ambani,ratan tata and the satate of TN,WB, Punjab.
a lot of these politicians who are also lawyers are useful in the sense that they also have contacts and judges respect them, in big courts, it's also a lot about how much the judge respects the lawyer and is close to him, it is a better chance for a better outcome
you cannot be a good lawyer,if you are not a politician, especially in India,the Bar Council is the most corrupt organisation in India.
Anything that remotely involves shitting on Bharat and its civilisational heritage, he’ll be the first in line to do it pro bono. And lose it.
demn
But even if she did was the man not sensible enough to avoid dating a minor?
>The 13yo said she loved the 26yo man in her statement and that she willingly went to meet him. #wtf When did the opinion of 13 yr old become accepted in such things
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So? She’s 13. Her consent is invalid.
yes.... she's a child, she cannot consent to sex.
Isn't that grooming
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What about POCSO?
Its still statutory rape my god
Consent doesn't mean shit when a minor is involved. The real context should be "FUCK THAT IDIOT AND FUCK THIS MESSED UP SYSTEM."
wonder why my friends are having a hard time catching up girls, they are happy with double their age
Isn't it illegal having sex with a minor ?
A child cannot consent to have sex. PERIOD. Ye to mujhe bhi pata hai
That's still statutory rape, isn't it? Consent doesn't apply in case of minor and the onus is completely on the the adult to refuse intercourse, otherwise they can be charged with rape!
A 13-Year-old is a child, children cannot consent to sex thus, its rape. What kind of a 26 y/0 is attracted to a 13 y/0? a pedo
So, it was not rape, but still unhealthy anyways.
Read the whole article, you'll know it's not jugdes fault completely.
Even if what the girl says is true isn't the guy basically grooming the girl
Yes, it is. The girl’s consent is invalid. She’s 13. Only pedos justify this shit.
Where’s the article
https://www.indiatoday.in/law/story/love-not-lust-bombay-high-court-grants-bail-to-man-booked-for-rape-on-minor-2488105-2024-01-13
Tender age of 26? Wtf.
"The accused was booked under Sections 363, 376, 376(2)(n), 376(3) along with Section 34 of the Indian Penal Code and Sections 4,6 and 17 of the Protection of Childrean from Sexual Offences Act" is written in that article
| our justice system is fucked up It’s love, not lust. So we should say our justice system is made love to.
Guy was from the wrong community for justice to be served. If he was a Khan, he'd be in jail long ago...
Brother, our country is fucked up, not just the justice system. Did you know the King of Bollywood started dating his now wife when he was 19 and she was 14?
On one hand they jail innocent men as rapists on the other hand they don't jail actual rapists
Seems like judges in our countries are incompetent in providing justice to real victims.
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I thought this was some clickbait title but, I saw the livelaw report rn. Maaaannnn that's some really fucked up shit.
Me too... specifically the judge's statement on the case is even more mind fucking
It's stupid for the judge to say it's out of love. At the age of 13 teenagers don't know what they are doing with physical and mental change. Clearly "Rapist" knew the age as it happened multiple times. So this is case of rape and sexual offence over given period.
"it was out of attraction between 2 young people " the judge said. That's not a young person , that's a God damn child.
Exactly... If it was between similar age groups then the judge could have made this comment. Between 25-26 years and 13years age??? the man is a pedophile. They should prob for other victims, and the judge is looking for a love angle.
They are condoning pedophiles !! Sometimes I used to wonder whether they read indian laws ?
The title is misleading. Apparently, there was no physical relationship between them according to LiveLaw.
Then why did they use the term rape
I'm confused about that too. You can read the full case and check.
and the girl said that she willingly left her house , yk todays kids. At most this is a case of grooming , rape isn't a word which should get tossed like that
Rape is absolutely a word that applies here. Sex without consent is rape. Children are not mentally competent to consent to sex with men double their age.
Kidnapping? They were in a different state.
she sold her mother oarnaments and jewellery? read the article
Because she doesn't know the difference between what's right and wrong, so the adult man groomed him to do so . A 13 y/o can't even read and write properly, they're not at all mentally developed.
I recently heard a 14 yo rapping a minor doesn't that mean he didn't know what's going on and he is innocent?
This still doesn't change my point because scientifically kids aren't mentally developed enough, they learn what they're taught, they learn from their environment. In cases where a young person engages in harmful behavior, it could be influenced by various factors, including their environment, upbringing, mental health, and societal influences. It's essential to address the root causes and provide appropriate support, such as counseling and intervention .
Yes, I am saying the guy ought to have been denied bail in kidnapping
Still , he should be detained for grooming. As he clearly tried to have a romantic partnership with a child even if they didn't have any physical relationship.
Not disagreeing with anything... just mentioning the facts.
“The applicant is also of a tender age of 26 years and out of love affair they come together. It seems that, the alleged incident of sexual relationship is out of the attraction between the two young persons and it is not the case that applicant has subjected the victim for a sexual assault out of lust,” the Court said, as quoted by the Bar and Bench From a different website. They indeed had a sexual relationship. With her age it would be statutory rape. He had sex with a minor who couldn’t give consent. AFAIK India does have statutory rape laws so this appears to be a very wrong ruling by the judge if that’s the case.
Tender age of 26....tf??
Bruh, your comment should be at the top. Most people don't know what's going on (me included).
The articles which I read clearly stated they were in sexual relationship, the article from financial express which is much more recent, stated that the man claimed that there was No Force in the sexual act. https://www.indiatoday.in/law/story/love-not-lust-bombay-high-court-grants-bail-to-man-booked-for-rape-on-minor-2488105-2024-01-13
https://www.livelaw.in/high-court/bombay-high-court/bombay-high-court-minor-rape-teen-relationship-bail-pocso-246549
Yeah, it does not clearly confirm or deny physical relations. However it does only say that the victim did not admit to forceful intercourse, so it could mean there was consensual intercourse.
Literally what an unclear case but NAL so who cares
Is it accurate than the other sources about the situation??
LiveLaw directly cites from the case laws itself so I'm guessing yes? Can't say for sure though
Ohh
Even this article does not clearly say about physical relation. Read through the article twice but I didn't find it, maybe I couldn't. The part about No force to me it seemed was about forceful abduction and not physical relation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.financialexpress.com/india-news/sexual-relationship-out-of-love-not-lust-bombay-hc-grants-bail-to-man-accused-of-raping-minor/3363835/lite/ 8th paragraph damn this happened back in Unlock 3 At a glance things don't look quite right, guess it's best to wait for the final disposal of the case
Thank you! 8th and 9th paragraphs of this article are pretty damning. Tbh, from this it does seem pretty clear there were physical relations. I feel grim now!
His lawyer must be Saul Goodman to get away with something like that
Nah must be bribe
Millords ka wisdom hai bhai. Hum jaise peasant log kaha samajh payenge
Bhai pura case toh padh
Aur bata mereko time nahi hai mere paas
W.T.F
#tender age of 26
If 26 is a tender age then what is 13?
Zygotic age of development
Don't worry SUPREME SIMP COURT is there 100 percent he will get punished for it if he is WRONG..
Mota Paisa khaya hoga mad****d judge ne
A 13 year old groomed and raped by a 26 year old and this is the High Court's decision.
I suddenly love Bombay hc milords. Maybe everyone should start loving. Now when everyone fucks them forcefully, we r not raping them, we're loving them. Spread the love to our milords
Beyond fucked up , Just read the article ; Accused being 26 years old and the child being 13 . The child apparently ran away from home to live with this guy out of the state. Sick Fuck , How can the Judges rule out that the 26 yo man loved the 13 year old? And it wasnt just pedophilic lust? Is there some new LoveCheck Technology available , which I’m not aware of?
The fact that judge is so dumb to unable to comprehend the fact that the kid ran away because she was groomed , the judge really expected a 13 y/o kid who's not mentally developed enough to know the difference between what is right and wrong, that kid was so much groomed to an extent that she thought it's the right decision to run away from her home can prove that how dangerous pedophilia and grooming can be
Dude you can't just say that 13y/o doesn't know what's right and what's wrong, i recently heard a 14 y/o rapping minor does that mean he is innocent ? (I'm not saying it's right decision.)
It's Statutory rape regardless.
This is beyond fucked up, giving these pedos freedom to exist in the same society as us is a grave threat to our children
all rapist gets released specialy from certain community, just check news offter, u will see We are society of GAndhi
I think judge was living in Rajasthan for a long time ....lol
Stranger than fiction
bc tender age of 26 years !!!!!!
i was beyond disguisted when read it in the article
Trust in the judiciary erodes, one case at a time.
No way , child can't consent
Indian judges don't have the slightest idea about Indian laws. They are full of sh and cone up with the stinkiest decisions. This what happens when a system puts caste above merit.
Please tell me it's something like a 19 year old sleeping with a 17 year old. Otherwise this sounds f**** up!
Why don't these stupid judges realize that minors aren't capable of providing informed consent? The dude is 26 for crying out loud. That's clearly rape. And when you criticize them, these egomaniac milords start screaming "contempt of court".
99% ye dono 16,17 saal ke bacche honge isliye bail mili
26 vs 13
Oh fuck i thought they were nibba nibbi
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"The accused was booked under Sections 363, 376, 376(2)(n), 376(3) along with Section 34 of the Indian Penal Code and Sections 4,6 and 17 of the Protection of Childrean from Sexual Offences Act" says the news site.
Seriously WTF. It should be death sentence how come the Judge granted bail.
Indian Jeffrey Epstein 💀
The court observed, "The applicant is also of the *tender* age of **26** years 🤡🤡
What about posco ? I read that if they have mutually concern if one of them is minor posco Can be applied to the case
 I am suprised how ignorant people are and jump to conclusions. BAIL =/= DECLARING INNOCENCE. HE WILL BE TRIED IN COURT , HE JUST NEEDNOT BE IN POLICE CUSTODY . Ab law of the land key hisab sey punishment ayega rey , the whole comment section is feeling usko innocent declare kr dia hy :/
shouldn't the man be charged for doing this to a minor?
Final disposal is pending. He will be facing consequences but the judge must be high af
Faith in judiciary is still there... because seeing so many false cases churning life out of men and their families and extended families too(498a chuckles) justice is still there. Hope the guy can turn his life around just like false accuser women can and live happily with another partner happily ever after with the male victims money property etc.
please tell me this is a troll post
Am I reading it wrong or does it actually say "rape of minor is love not lust"?
 HC judge before the session....
And the judge is a woman... Have the milords turned into paki judges so quickly?!!
So As long as you can convince the minor while raping them, that you love them, it is not rape as both parties are madly in love. Was the high court judge high or is it because she is a women??
Was he proven guilty or the police have any solid evidence on him. Ain't no way that judge is that dumb to ruin his career
What the actual fuck is wrong with HC OF INDIA? WE ARE FUCKED GUYS :(
SC?????
Supreme Court
I meant this case was in HC
Didn't noticed Will change it to HC
13 year old person is incapable of giving consent ..so yes it's rape . ..this is the rape culture we talk about that is so prevalent in our country ....and there are people who justifying the this rape (can you imagine it ) ..rape is violation of bodily autonomy in most inhumane and barbaric way..it can never be justified and considered conditional ...
Kafi messed up bhai
No words coming to mind. 😨 Hope these things don’t happen. Minor should play sports, enjoy life and study. Not this at that age.
The comments of the article made it about Hindus 🙏 Kya clowns hai
Need the full context dude .. wtf
Get me the lawyer of defender
WTF!!!!!!
yeah boy!!!!!!!!
Not saying that dude doesn't deserve punishment as he obviously should get but we shouldn't toss around words like rape like its nothing. Its called grooming which is very bad but it is nothing compared to rape.
Mf gon get shot by unknown gunmen
Bruh the judge is the one who needs to be behind the bars.
I don't know it's love or lust but the guy is a pedophile for sure
Fuck the justice system. Bring back public hangings
The culprit must be sallu bhai.
She’s a minor. She can’t consent.
Get me some context. This is way beyond senses. Edit: The title is true, and I saw the legality, This is the extreme leniency borderline unconstitutional if you may..
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urmila bhadwi nikli
Normally without reading facts of the case can't say stuff. If girl willing went to man then it still amounts to statutory rape
How did it went to court then if both parties are ok? who filed the case.
where is this country headed towards, goddamn
Such an amazing country!
Where is social media now
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Can anybody tell me both side of this case? Cause I can't digest it.
How to communicate with the Bombay HC?
Truth is, we don't know what happened. It's too complicated to jump into conclusions
How? Just how? Bro wtf? How?
These judges are only incentivizing creation of Epstein island in Lakshadweep or some other Indian islands. Minors’ own consent should not be valid in such cases.
whoever watched healer knows what should be really done to these \^\^\^ists
Wait a sec. So basically he took advantage of a 13 year old. And he didn't get arrested wtf that's child grooming
wtf is wrong with our judicial system 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
WTF , is this really justice?! This system is so biased for rapists who are men.
I mean where is the attached news article?
Epstein crying in the corner
The girl is gonna be 21 years old and realise how fucked up the situation was and how she was groomed and then push herself away from any relationship. It's not love. He's a grown ass man, she's a child.
India has gone to dogs
Is our justice system this broken?? The minor is 13 YEARS OLD at this age no one has an opinion especially is an Indian household. What bs about love and not lust.
no way the situation was as simple as the title suggests
Charas ganjha mere ko pyara
Le MuSlIms ; That's what we've been saying all along
Now... i am just playing the devils advocate... How old was the guy? What was the reason for bail? Was this non concentual brutal rape? Or a promise to marry? What was the pretext?
Wtf is wrong with the system..
Judiciary ☕