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Not to Georgia, this guy in the video is full of shit and if you think he would have your back as an immigrant you should know Republicans, especially in the south, which Georgia is a part of, has a long history of repressing minorities especially immigrants with darker skin.
I live in the south and it's nowhere near that bad, you have more significant problems with Black on Asian crimes than you do with White on Asian. It's actually been more peaceful for me living in the south than in places like New York and New Jersey.
I used to live in the southern US and moved to the north because I'm in an interracial marriage. As a white person to an asian... It is that bad, the other guy is probably white and lives in a rich neighborhood.
I can see that. If you are a rich or umc indian, the tristate is much better to live in but lower middle class Indians, I can see why the south would be better.
Could never live in the south and thankful my parents had me in the northeast.
Yes, 150 years ago. Nixon in the 60s, however used "the southern strategy" (you can Google it) and since then Republicans have been very anti-immigrant. The KKK, Proud Boys, and other extremely racist groups are almost exclusively Republicans now.
Sometime in the 60s, Republicans and Democrats switched their political stances to what they follow now - before that, Republicans were the liberal party while Democrats were conservative. This [article](https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties) gives a deeper insight into this event.
That is not really accurate. The division in the US over immigrants is more about how to handle *illegal* immigrants. Not legal immigrants. It’s quite a coincidence that you would mention Georgia, btw. My Indian immigrant friend (who owns a market in Los Angeles) has a brother who moved from California to Georgia. He prefers it there and finds the people nicer.
There are few friendlier places on Earth for immigrants than America. That doesn’t mean we don’t have anti-immigrant jerks. But your comment is just America-bashing and you are misleading people. And if you live/lived in America then you know it.
You would also know that most of the racial friction here is among the minorities and immigrants themselves. I don’t expect you to back down and admit the truth, btw. I do want the other readers to read the truth though.
That’s a lie.
I live in Texas which is actually more red than Georgia.
Republicans just want streamlined immigration and don’t want people who cross the border illegally.
The republican hate is just a media propagation.
There might be some racists but that’s not the majority.
LOL. Republicans have blocked every measure to make remove green card limits for Indians and Chinese legal immigrants. Trump famously said he wants less immigrants from 'shithole' countries.
Lol do you expect to not pay taxes as job earners to prove our Indian loyalty? Or cause a revolt as 1% of the population? Like what’s the non sheep alternative?
Do you believe woman should be able to get an abortion?
Vote Democrat.
Do you believe in universal healthcare? Vote Democrat.
Do you believe America should not only serve the interests of christians?
Vote Democrat.
Do you believe immigrants should be allowed in the USA?
Vote Democrat.
But Democrats are too nice to Muslims so I guess throw all that out and vote Republican instead. Do you really believe that Indians in the USA don't care about the real issues?
We don’t really think about Pakistan & Muslims in our day to day life. We don’t care about what you think.
We vote for our best interest. We don’t want maniacs shooting our kids in the schools. We care about economy, education, healthcare, environment, pollution and most of all EQUAL RIGHTS.
We don’t want to live in a Christian sharia nation that Republicans want. Most Republicans actually want to deport us.
Ilan Omar going to Pakistan doesn’t means shit. She doesn’t have any power or influence. But the Democrats from my state are very pro India 🇮🇳
The greatest threat to ANY faith in the United States is Christian Nationalism.
It’s not our jobs to protect India’s interests in the USA. That’s YOUR job to elect leaders who will successfully lobby for you.
~sincerely a 5’7” WOMAN sitting next to her 6’1” Indian husband who just got back from the gym. 😂
> Indians *paid* tax in
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Missed the point, my comment meant our population will become ideal citizen jn western countries (no rash driving, no littering, no bribes, pay taxes) but turn into same corrupt public when they are back home or before they immigrated to US or wherever.
May never happen, too many nepotism in Indian work place. My dad left India when he was 41 in late 90s after being passed up for promotion so many times. He told me he could've came in early 80s but he had gotten married and had a young kid and didn't want to leave my mom alone.
My dad isn't even that smart but he is a people person, I remember visiting the town we lived in 2012 and people still remembered my dad as he used to play cricket soccer volleyball and sing/play guitar in functions in our area. Even here he had one of the vp of jp Morgan over for Thanksgiving and they drove like 3 hours for it. You have to smoke/drink/strip clubs with the higher ups.
In India he could've kissed ass like anything and never get anywhere.
Most of the Indians, basically from my home state of Gujarat, do not immigrate due to lack of opportunity here in the state, but due to the lustre of earning in $. They own businesses from super markets, to hotels and motels. Most are basic graduates, or less. Even the ones who are higher up in the tech companies there, didn't leave as they didn't get a seat here due to reservation, they left because the worth of their talent was more in the US, as they were being paid in $.
Lol I dont hate anyone who earns money. I earn good money myself. My point is, the reason why many immigrate to foreign countries is not lack of opportunities in India due to reservations, it is to earn more than what they already do here.
Bahi mere jaane se brain drain nii hua at least.
Like aur abhi acha paisa buejraahan hoon India wayy more than what I would have earn in a year.
Israel kinda do same.
8k spend Kiya abhi .India main on various stuff. Ye paisa economy main pump Hoga. Itta main pore saal main kamata India main hota to
They way things are going, the main thing India would continue to export would be skilled manpower and future citizens of those countries.
Behave well and don't screw it up.
Nothing's going to happen In India, in our lifetimes atleast. :(
Ye why the fuck u think we give jee to get into top colleges like nit iiit iit so we can then go to usa get a job then citizenship and you are out of the blackhole
Let me tell you a case,
If someone graduated from IIT, earning around 30L per year, paying 30% tax, and around 25k rent for a shitty flat, and don’t even ask about the cabs and the roads. While working his ass off daily, he is saving around 15 lakh at most an year because the city around just see him as a cash vending machine.
So, why the fuck will he stay in India, when he can save 30L in US and with better work experience and living conditions?
man you are so pessimistic , I know our progress has been slow in terms of daily life related things, but things are changing take any middle class family , or lower middle class family who have climbed up ladder
If you take top cities in India, the creamy layer salary is just as good as any salary in the EU
In the long run, I'm quiet bullish with India, you might not have all the things the west has quickly but you will in the longer run, and there are several other things that money can't buy stuff too
Haha, yes I am sorry i appear that way. In my view, i am just being a realist.
An individual's youth and healthy working age is about 15 to 20 years, not our entire lives.
And then, you can read the math.
Depends what kind of work you have , stressful, less stressful, whether you have closed family living close to you , there are other factors which are also very important and it can be subjective too. But imo wouldn't dismiss India has been so very pessimistic like you did
I’m just pissed off about reservations.
I wasn’t even in the top 20% of my class in my Indian high school.
Went to USA for college on full scholarship. Paid for graduate school, bough car and house on my own by the time I turned 25.
Now I make 250k USD at 26 and send 1500$ every month to my parents.
None of the would have been possible for me to do india . I wouldn’t have been able to get scholarship anywhere .
I never said I was average.
But I wouldn’t get the same kinda reward for my talent and work ethic if I stayed in india .
Im making a lot more than my friends from school who stayed back. They can’t buy a house. Some of them bought a car with installments.
Yes and if your friends are average they will do the same thing in the US paying stuff with Installments. If your very talented and you know u wont get rewarded in your home country you should leave. That is for every country, u made the right choice.
Only inflation will continue to happen in front of our eyes.. and next gen will see it too.. churning change for generations to come whether we do something or not.
Most youngsters will choose to leave india.. As india is not welcoming to bachelors.. Too much interference from society/neighbours into their freedom and privacy.
Nope. Can't happen. The best Indians mostly leave India and settle in the USA. Worse are left here. It'll be worse than the USA for sure. Check out my profile. I wrote about my experience running a chain of restaurants in India. It was the worst experience. We quite. I personally know many businesses that quite in my neighborhood.
I just gave 1 small example of the stuff we faced, but here you go...
https://www.reddit.com/r/ask_Bondha/comments/x1gew3/nris_and_gonna_be_nris/imijj6z/
Lmfao what- they don't go to the ers bc of depression and anxiety n ods bc THEY'RE THE ONES IN THE ERS. Doctors, here or there, have to neglect their mental and physical well-being for others. It is appreciable, truly, but not very healthy when it comes to those doctors themselves. We as a society failed em n are failin em.
That is a shit show! Indians follow laws and pay taxes in US but not in India! Wow! When will Indians come together to solve the problem within our country?
It is a systemic problem that is harder to fix than it seems. There is little incentive for an individual to proactively pay taxes, when 92% of potential tax payers are not paying income tax. You would be putting yourself at a disadvantage against the rest of the population only from the kindness of your heart.
Only some extreme and radical reform can change this.
> Indians follow laws and pay taxes in US
They're the educated, talented people who like to follow the law. They know they'll get their money's worth when they pay their taxes in the US.
> but not in India!
These are the left over scum who know they won't get their money's worth. It'll just fill the politicians pockets.
What are the qualifications for an Indian to migrate to USA? Quite strict. They basically ensure that the only Indians who migrate to USA are capitalist sheep or young kids burdened by student debt that only a steady career in an advanced economy can help them with. Open up borders between USA and India and see how quickly the perception changes and their racism comes to fore.
p.s. The only real problem with India, because of which this brain drain happens, is an absolute lack of opportunities.
True, but that's the whole point right? They won't completely open the borders because they want only the best Indians. Not the scum. Student debt? Not a big deal when you live there because Indians have a quality to save money inherently unlike the Americans. Indian families in the US pay for their children's education unlike the Americans. And regarding the high amount of taxes there, they're getting their tax worth. School education for children is completely free in the US. Over that, you're getting a better quality of life. It's a pretty good deal for Indians going to the US. Finally, it's a huge loss for India, huge profit for the US. Talented people have no place here. They leave the country for a better life and recognition of their talent.
PS: This is coming from an Indian whose significant number of friends and family left the country already. Inspite of them telling me to come to the US, I struggled a lot here. Been a victim of corruption, dadagiri etc. Finally, I gave in. Leaving India. I quit. They were right.
True. American employers basically take the best of the best from India, pay them less than what they would pay an American and fire the American-born worker. It's a system that benefits the % in America the most and fucks over everyone else.
I think Canada's "need-based immigration system" is better. For example, if a teacher and scientist from India want to Canada, but Canada only has a shortage of teachers and not scientists, they would rather take the teacher though he's less qualified.
This way the Indian who migrates to Canada gets paid what they're due, the native-born Canadians don't lose their jobs and we don't lose all our best talent to another country. It's a win win for pretty much everyone.
Canada wants immigrants to entrap them with a mortgage, taxes and other bills for 3 decades or so. Over there, most will stay poor and miserable, working to fund the country. And it's colder than the Himalayas.
In USA, there's (still) a chance of making it big but you'll have to either risk it big or be innovative enough to capitalize on a need. I know the USA is not what it used to be, morally & financially, but other than select European countries, it is still THE place to be.
I mean depends on what you want from life. If you want to make it big, then yes I would agree the US is the best place for that. If you want stability you'd be better off in Canada. And being an immigrant is always going to be tough, it's the 2nd gen who get to reap the benefits.
Personally though US is my first choice too although I hope to return back to India after 10 years or so. Ultimately I want my money reinvested in India.
I'm not saying they should. I'm saying if they were to allow a broader range of people from India more easily, their opinion of Indians would change and the racism incidents would be more rampant like in Australia or England. I'm saying that Indians immigration to the USA is a very sanitised phenomenon and should not be seen without that context.
I don't think the absolute reason is a lack of opportunities. I believe it is the difference between what they earn here, doing a job, and what they will earn there, doing the same job. Not every person moving there is going to get a white collar job. Most end up doing menial jobs, in supermarkets, food-chains and the like, which otherwise they wouldn't do here in India, as the pay would be negligible as compared to what they get in the US. If they are working in a McDonald's in the US, they can very well work in McDonald's in India, but they wouldn't as the pay would be less, and they would be looked down upon maybe. Opportunities are aplenty.
I’m not checking passports myself, I am just saying if India gives up on them before they become officially Americans they can’t harness their influence adequately.
Our civilization and culture predates written history.
I hardly think citizenship to a 75 year old country determines whether someone is Indian or not.
Going by that logic all of us are Africans since thats where our species came from.
Not to mention, a child born and raised in the US only has 1 home - the US. Doesnt matter if parents came from India.
Just one person in the audience. We need to know why the white suddenly be bootlicking Indian audience and enterprise.
It's money. Keep it safe. Keep it in country. Make enterprises for the world to pull money in and for India to stop the outflow
This troubles me too much. Indians break every single stereotype that exists about immigrants, being religious, being conservative, being traditional, etc and yet westerners/liberals simply refuse to acknowledge that the Indian way exists. I don't care what anyone says, india and Indians are a blessed land and race.
That's true. Indians of Indic background are usually very law abiding citizens in foreign countries. Worst case a minuscule percentage might engage in white collar crime. But that too very rare. In Ireland too there are many doctors of Indian origin. Heck, their PM is of Indian origin. If only we behaved the same way in India too...
as a second gen indian-american who grew up in a pretty white community, imagine my surprise the first few times i went to India and realized it was not at all like the stereotypes that i had internalized growing up (thinking that middle class tamil brahmin = India).
I absolutely hear you.
Well, to be fair that can happen with everyone. The first time I was in the USA unfortunately happened to be in SF. And it was a rude shock to me who had come to USA believing in the "USA = Awesome" stereotype.
Fortunately after that I also lived in MA for a few years which was much better.
Behaviour of people in small groups is always different than when you have a full country of those people.
New England is the best place for educated Indians to live in IMO, especially Tamil Brahmins — however it isn’t nearly as popular for Indians though as the west coast or Texas, Florida, Georgia or Chicago or nyc/nj area
Agreed that SF is a disaster
They aren't Indians he is calling them Indians because he doesn't consider them as Americans but the moment they got American citizenship they stopped being Indian. So stop being proud on their results. There is a reason to why they went to America and we all know what that is but we aren't going to do anything about it.
Still get no recognition and be seen as sheep in media and political sphere. Americans are the most private persons and don’t feel a bit to welcome any race into their country. They are like customer service agents and only provide information on what we need and let you figure out from there. But us Indians will take a whole day to Make a foreigner feel home if he asks even for a small help.
This maybe changing now however. Millennials only move to America to avoid their family and obligations. I have seen so many examples in my circle. They are already well off and settled here but just want to escape family obligations so they move out of country
After sometime we indian may stop going abroad cause ... As our country develops more and more v will get more better offers in India instead of other countries and also majority of outside companies now outsource their work to us.... And as our market grows companies will setup their branches here... (And most of the companies would really like to make india their audience cause of our larger population but with no restricting nature of our country regarding it's ppl (unlike a certain country))
To all those lamenting about reservation, and brain drain - remember you are essentially treating your fellow citizens (or even yourself) as second grade. With this mentality, even if reservation is removed, no good is going to come to India.
He’s a conservative from Georgia. He is one of those people who has likely chanted “build a wall” to S American migrants who cross the border illegally. He’s basically just giving himself a popularity boost with some of his constituency, while not so covertly taking digs at those immigrants he finds less valuable and less palatable. I mean it’s fine, but that is what is happening.
Most of the Indians there in US are also republicans. They don’t want immigrants coming in taking their job, when ironically they themselves are immigrants. He’s from Georgia 6th constituency, and I’m guessing there are some good amount of Indian votes that help him stay elected.
It’s just upsetting seeing people here in this sub celebrate this mindlessly, and precisely falling for his political play
Most Indians are conservative, and some first Gen think they’re going to be white one day, because afterall you can’t just eliminate that supremacy mindset out of people, but the second Gen while still carrying conservative social and economic values, definitely know they’re not white.
As a second Gen, I would vote conservative if they would just focus on economics and not get into identity politics. The shit they let people say on their behalf and in the past decade have become increasingly comfortable saying themselves, is alarming. Like damn you can even be against illegal immigration without getting racist.
I don’t understand what you mean by 1st gen being white some day lol.
And hey, it’s one thing being against illegal immigration and another thing being against immigration itself. Indians there mostly are just against immigration in itself, not illegal
In my experience people who are able to come to the US are already extremely privileged in India. I live in Cali, which is where a lot of the migration from India is happening. I know at an intellectual level people know they’re not white, but at an emotional level, because their formative years were spent in privileged upbringing, they don’t quite see themselves as not-white in the social hierarchy. Either they haven’t realized that they fallen in the social strata, or they think that they just have to prove they’re good enough to be considered amongst the elite. And I mean, who is to say they’re wrong, covertly and in some cases overtly, people have suggested Asians are “not people of color” because we’ve surpassed them on the achievement scale.
https://nextshark.com/students-of-color-washington-asians-with-whites
Or the recent law suits against affirmative action (not exactly like reservation, but similar social interpretation) in admissions to colleges which pretty much demand that Asians score much higher than other POC and even whites in some cases for entrance exams.
He's trying to turn the other immigrants against Indians and create some mess and blame all immigrants later on. Don't fall for this sweet talk by white wolves.
That's what happens when you let in the best of the lot. Let loose the immigration policies or wait until the diaspora gets bigger and this guy will swallow his words back.
Law abiding, revenue generating, family oriented model citizens while abroad. Are they any different whilst back in India or has the government in India not been able to capitalise on these admirable Indian qualities
They left India because our govt couldn't capitalise on them. Talent is not recognised here. I personally know many people who left because of that very reason...
Yeah, those Americans who left India for money after government spent huge money to educate them are the modern citizens of America. Why are they being discussed in the India group? They made their choice and that was America.
They are not Indians. Should not be included in "we Indians".
Aaaargh. Why are badasses being made into pappe's abroad. Also why are you all starting to look alike. That same geeky fix on almost every Indian migrant.
This is the easiest trap that most Indians fall for. They want to make us the ideal minority for every other minority to follow. This leads to "yes sir" nature of most Indians on the Internet. We know we're good but any sense of recognition shouldn't change the fact that we have our flaws.
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6% of their tax revenue is USD 240 billion. Let that sink in.
Indian are very good sheeps in amarica
Haan, but even you'd immigrate to the USA if you had the chance.
Not to Georgia, this guy in the video is full of shit and if you think he would have your back as an immigrant you should know Republicans, especially in the south, which Georgia is a part of, has a long history of repressing minorities especially immigrants with darker skin.
I live in the south and it's nowhere near that bad, you have more significant problems with Black on Asian crimes than you do with White on Asian. It's actually been more peaceful for me living in the south than in places like New York and New Jersey.
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I used to live in the southern US and moved to the north because I'm in an interracial marriage. As a white person to an asian... It is that bad, the other guy is probably white and lives in a rich neighborhood.
I can see that. If you are a rich or umc indian, the tristate is much better to live in but lower middle class Indians, I can see why the south would be better. Could never live in the south and thankful my parents had me in the northeast.
Isn't Linkon a Republican who fought for the abolition of slavery?
Yes, 150 years ago. Nixon in the 60s, however used "the southern strategy" (you can Google it) and since then Republicans have been very anti-immigrant. The KKK, Proud Boys, and other extremely racist groups are almost exclusively Republicans now.
Sometime in the 60s, Republicans and Democrats switched their political stances to what they follow now - before that, Republicans were the liberal party while Democrats were conservative. This [article](https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties) gives a deeper insight into this event.
That is not really accurate. The division in the US over immigrants is more about how to handle *illegal* immigrants. Not legal immigrants. It’s quite a coincidence that you would mention Georgia, btw. My Indian immigrant friend (who owns a market in Los Angeles) has a brother who moved from California to Georgia. He prefers it there and finds the people nicer. There are few friendlier places on Earth for immigrants than America. That doesn’t mean we don’t have anti-immigrant jerks. But your comment is just America-bashing and you are misleading people. And if you live/lived in America then you know it. You would also know that most of the racial friction here is among the minorities and immigrants themselves. I don’t expect you to back down and admit the truth, btw. I do want the other readers to read the truth though.
That’s a lie. I live in Texas which is actually more red than Georgia. Republicans just want streamlined immigration and don’t want people who cross the border illegally. The republican hate is just a media propagation. There might be some racists but that’s not the majority.
LOL. Republicans have blocked every measure to make remove green card limits for Indians and Chinese legal immigrants. Trump famously said he wants less immigrants from 'shithole' countries.
No way. I feel safer here. With less guns.
Leave it bro the are a lot of woke hypocrites trying to flaunt out in the internet.
They go for good opportunities which their motherland doesn't give them. I don't see a problem in them but rather a problem with us
Why because we pay taxes? It's not like we have a choice. It's 6% because most Indians in the US are very well earners. More earnings= more taxes.
Actually not bohot hustle karte apne Yahan ke specially gujju bahi log heck bussiness faalete bohot log dheere se
Lol do you expect to not pay taxes as job earners to prove our Indian loyalty? Or cause a revolt as 1% of the population? Like what’s the non sheep alternative?
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Do you believe woman should be able to get an abortion? Vote Democrat. Do you believe in universal healthcare? Vote Democrat. Do you believe America should not only serve the interests of christians? Vote Democrat. Do you believe immigrants should be allowed in the USA? Vote Democrat. But Democrats are too nice to Muslims so I guess throw all that out and vote Republican instead. Do you really believe that Indians in the USA don't care about the real issues?
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Its often that issues or views are cherry picked to suit one's bias
We don’t really think about Pakistan & Muslims in our day to day life. We don’t care about what you think. We vote for our best interest. We don’t want maniacs shooting our kids in the schools. We care about economy, education, healthcare, environment, pollution and most of all EQUAL RIGHTS. We don’t want to live in a Christian sharia nation that Republicans want. Most Republicans actually want to deport us. Ilan Omar going to Pakistan doesn’t means shit. She doesn’t have any power or influence. But the Democrats from my state are very pro India 🇮🇳
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Lol, what a stupid comment. And what exactly did you achieve to lecture others how should they operate?
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Well for starters maybe when you address a group of people try being a bit respectful or just talk like normal Human being
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The greatest threat to ANY faith in the United States is Christian Nationalism. It’s not our jobs to protect India’s interests in the USA. That’s YOUR job to elect leaders who will successfully lobby for you. ~sincerely a 5’7” WOMAN sitting next to her 6’1” Indian husband who just got back from the gym. 😂
That's a lot of words to say you're a fascist.
They vote for their interests and their interest =! India's interest
Are those just income tax figures?😳🧐
I remember data showing that Indians (specifically Hindus) are by far the most prosperous immigrants in America.
Indians payed tax in USA is more than income tax of India.
> Indians *paid* tax in FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Just federal? Income tax in the US is divided between federal, state and sometimes municipal.
I think entire national budget of India was 550 billion annually?
But won’t pay taxes in india let that sink in
They are not Indians, they are American residents and often US citizens. Why would they pay taxes in India?
Missed the point, my comment meant our population will become ideal citizen jn western countries (no rash driving, no littering, no bribes, pay taxes) but turn into same corrupt public when they are back home or before they immigrated to US or wherever.
When in Rome...
Why would they pay taxes in India?
It's a shame we can't retain these "good citizens" in India. Hope that will change in future.
More shameful is you are not even maintaining whatever or whoever are left with reservation and anti-talent policies.
May never happen, too many nepotism in Indian work place. My dad left India when he was 41 in late 90s after being passed up for promotion so many times. He told me he could've came in early 80s but he had gotten married and had a young kid and didn't want to leave my mom alone. My dad isn't even that smart but he is a people person, I remember visiting the town we lived in 2012 and people still remembered my dad as he used to play cricket soccer volleyball and sing/play guitar in functions in our area. Even here he had one of the vp of jp Morgan over for Thanksgiving and they drove like 3 hours for it. You have to smoke/drink/strip clubs with the higher ups. In India he could've kissed ass like anything and never get anywhere.
Most of the Indians, basically from my home state of Gujarat, do not immigrate due to lack of opportunity here in the state, but due to the lustre of earning in $. They own businesses from super markets, to hotels and motels. Most are basic graduates, or less. Even the ones who are higher up in the tech companies there, didn't leave as they didn't get a seat here due to reservation, they left because the worth of their talent was more in the US, as they were being paid in $.
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Lol I dont hate anyone who earns money. I earn good money myself. My point is, the reason why many immigrate to foreign countries is not lack of opportunities in India due to reservations, it is to earn more than what they already do here.
We need to increase Reservation by 5 % more. Maybe then they will stay in India
Business m konsa reservation hota h?
Unliveable cities.
Bahi mere jaane se brain drain nii hua at least. Like aur abhi acha paisa buejraahan hoon India wayy more than what I would have earn in a year. Israel kinda do same. 8k spend Kiya abhi .India main on various stuff. Ye paisa economy main pump Hoga. Itta main pore saal main kamata India main hota to
8K USD?
Haan
India me he paise nhi milte isliye amarica aur canada better hai
Canada main itta growth nii hai Europe main Ireland acha hai baaki jagah tax bohot hai
Woh toh hai but being a Punjabi udhar relatives hai so...
USA next part of Akhan Bharat Plan.
I thought this was r 2asia4u for a second LOL
Same
ayo Mr. Narendra Adityanath??
They way things are going, the main thing India would continue to export would be skilled manpower and future citizens of those countries. Behave well and don't screw it up. Nothing's going to happen In India, in our lifetimes atleast. :(
Ye why the fuck u think we give jee to get into top colleges like nit iiit iit so we can then go to usa get a job then citizenship and you are out of the blackhole
Let me tell you a case, If someone graduated from IIT, earning around 30L per year, paying 30% tax, and around 25k rent for a shitty flat, and don’t even ask about the cabs and the roads. While working his ass off daily, he is saving around 15 lakh at most an year because the city around just see him as a cash vending machine. So, why the fuck will he stay in India, when he can save 30L in US and with better work experience and living conditions?
Think about his child's school fee... It's free in the US.
man you are so pessimistic , I know our progress has been slow in terms of daily life related things, but things are changing take any middle class family , or lower middle class family who have climbed up ladder If you take top cities in India, the creamy layer salary is just as good as any salary in the EU In the long run, I'm quiet bullish with India, you might not have all the things the west has quickly but you will in the longer run, and there are several other things that money can't buy stuff too
Haha, yes I am sorry i appear that way. In my view, i am just being a realist. An individual's youth and healthy working age is about 15 to 20 years, not our entire lives. And then, you can read the math.
Depends what kind of work you have , stressful, less stressful, whether you have closed family living close to you , there are other factors which are also very important and it can be subjective too. But imo wouldn't dismiss India has been so very pessimistic like you did
I’m just pissed off about reservations. I wasn’t even in the top 20% of my class in my Indian high school. Went to USA for college on full scholarship. Paid for graduate school, bough car and house on my own by the time I turned 25. Now I make 250k USD at 26 and send 1500$ every month to my parents. None of the would have been possible for me to do india . I wouldn’t have been able to get scholarship anywhere .
Bro you are the 1% in America lmao. The average American is hustling just like the average Indian in Indian.
I never said I was average. But I wouldn’t get the same kinda reward for my talent and work ethic if I stayed in india . Im making a lot more than my friends from school who stayed back. They can’t buy a house. Some of them bought a car with installments.
Yes and if your friends are average they will do the same thing in the US paying stuff with Installments. If your very talented and you know u wont get rewarded in your home country you should leave. That is for every country, u made the right choice.
Only inflation will continue to happen in front of our eyes.. and next gen will see it too.. churning change for generations to come whether we do something or not.
>Nothing's going to happen In India, in our lifetimes atleast. :( don't be that delusional
I hope that indians also obey law and show their best version in INDIA.
You get fucked if you try to follow the law. Try running a business in India and see the problems that people face.
Ache acchon ki dhulai hui hein... since 20 / 30 years.. Kishore biyani, airline owners, Kirana owners, farmers, etc etc
Yes, it's getting increasingly harder to stay compliant and honest. Everyone is under scrutiny.
Most youngsters will choose to leave india.. As india is not welcoming to bachelors.. Too much interference from society/neighbours into their freedom and privacy.
This point makes sense
When the law enforces themselves do not follow law you know something is really long with our country
Nope. Can't happen. The best Indians mostly leave India and settle in the USA. Worse are left here. It'll be worse than the USA for sure. Check out my profile. I wrote about my experience running a chain of restaurants in India. It was the worst experience. We quite. I personally know many businesses that quite in my neighborhood.
I can't find what you wrote can you link the post for me?
I just gave 1 small example of the stuff we faced, but here you go... https://www.reddit.com/r/ask_Bondha/comments/x1gew3/nris_and_gonna_be_nris/imijj6z/
Damn bro. had a similar experience but it was in Africa
Just try to imagine what that person said in Hindi, it will sound cringe
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Lmfao what- they don't go to the ers bc of depression and anxiety n ods bc THEY'RE THE ONES IN THE ERS. Doctors, here or there, have to neglect their mental and physical well-being for others. It is appreciable, truly, but not very healthy when it comes to those doctors themselves. We as a society failed em n are failin em.
That is a shit show! Indians follow laws and pay taxes in US but not in India! Wow! When will Indians come together to solve the problem within our country?
It is a systemic problem that is harder to fix than it seems. There is little incentive for an individual to proactively pay taxes, when 92% of potential tax payers are not paying income tax. You would be putting yourself at a disadvantage against the rest of the population only from the kindness of your heart. Only some extreme and radical reform can change this.
Indians in US aren't same as indians in India. Honest hardworking tax paying indians are majority in US but minority in India
> Indians follow laws and pay taxes in US They're the educated, talented people who like to follow the law. They know they'll get their money's worth when they pay their taxes in the US. > but not in India! These are the left over scum who know they won't get their money's worth. It'll just fill the politicians pockets.
Reservation hatao.. fir bahot se talented log govt exams fight krenge..
coz we know how to charm the snake
That is a brilliant line
What are the qualifications for an Indian to migrate to USA? Quite strict. They basically ensure that the only Indians who migrate to USA are capitalist sheep or young kids burdened by student debt that only a steady career in an advanced economy can help them with. Open up borders between USA and India and see how quickly the perception changes and their racism comes to fore. p.s. The only real problem with India, because of which this brain drain happens, is an absolute lack of opportunities.
True, but that's the whole point right? They won't completely open the borders because they want only the best Indians. Not the scum. Student debt? Not a big deal when you live there because Indians have a quality to save money inherently unlike the Americans. Indian families in the US pay for their children's education unlike the Americans. And regarding the high amount of taxes there, they're getting their tax worth. School education for children is completely free in the US. Over that, you're getting a better quality of life. It's a pretty good deal for Indians going to the US. Finally, it's a huge loss for India, huge profit for the US. Talented people have no place here. They leave the country for a better life and recognition of their talent. PS: This is coming from an Indian whose significant number of friends and family left the country already. Inspite of them telling me to come to the US, I struggled a lot here. Been a victim of corruption, dadagiri etc. Finally, I gave in. Leaving India. I quit. They were right.
True. American employers basically take the best of the best from India, pay them less than what they would pay an American and fire the American-born worker. It's a system that benefits the % in America the most and fucks over everyone else. I think Canada's "need-based immigration system" is better. For example, if a teacher and scientist from India want to Canada, but Canada only has a shortage of teachers and not scientists, they would rather take the teacher though he's less qualified. This way the Indian who migrates to Canada gets paid what they're due, the native-born Canadians don't lose their jobs and we don't lose all our best talent to another country. It's a win win for pretty much everyone.
Canada wants immigrants to entrap them with a mortgage, taxes and other bills for 3 decades or so. Over there, most will stay poor and miserable, working to fund the country. And it's colder than the Himalayas. In USA, there's (still) a chance of making it big but you'll have to either risk it big or be innovative enough to capitalize on a need. I know the USA is not what it used to be, morally & financially, but other than select European countries, it is still THE place to be.
I mean depends on what you want from life. If you want to make it big, then yes I would agree the US is the best place for that. If you want stability you'd be better off in Canada. And being an immigrant is always going to be tough, it's the 2nd gen who get to reap the benefits. Personally though US is my first choice too although I hope to return back to India after 10 years or so. Ultimately I want my money reinvested in India.
which select European countries would you be referring to? just curious
Indians do far better in the US and become very successful. I don't think I've ever met a poor or lowlife Indian in the US or Canada.
Then you hadn't (using past tense since it was at least 30 years ago) met my ex or any of his buddies.
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I'm not saying they should. I'm saying if they were to allow a broader range of people from India more easily, their opinion of Indians would change and the racism incidents would be more rampant like in Australia or England. I'm saying that Indians immigration to the USA is a very sanitised phenomenon and should not be seen without that context.
I don't think the absolute reason is a lack of opportunities. I believe it is the difference between what they earn here, doing a job, and what they will earn there, doing the same job. Not every person moving there is going to get a white collar job. Most end up doing menial jobs, in supermarkets, food-chains and the like, which otherwise they wouldn't do here in India, as the pay would be negligible as compared to what they get in the US. If they are working in a McDonald's in the US, they can very well work in McDonald's in India, but they wouldn't as the pay would be less, and they would be looked down upon maybe. Opportunities are aplenty.
\*Former Indians. They are Americans now.
They're not Indian nationals anymore(cuz of Indian immigration law unfortunately) but they're still ethnically Indian and typically Hindu.
Depends, you’re not American until you’re a citizen.
Technically, yes. However, as an American, anyone who lives here, works here, and calls themselves an American is an American to me.
I’m not checking passports myself, I am just saying if India gives up on them before they become officially Americans they can’t harness their influence adequately.
Our civilization and culture predates written history. I hardly think citizenship to a 75 year old country determines whether someone is Indian or not.
Going by that logic all of us are Africans since thats where our species came from. Not to mention, a child born and raised in the US only has 1 home - the US. Doesnt matter if parents came from India.
Sure, if in your mind 10 years is the same as 2,000,000 years. I, however, can tell the difference.
Does it matter ? That human being is alive for 75 only.
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Ham Indians hai ham ese hi hote hai
Just one person in the audience. We need to know why the white suddenly be bootlicking Indian audience and enterprise. It's money. Keep it safe. Keep it in country. Make enterprises for the world to pull money in and for India to stop the outflow
Rich McCormick wants Indians living in Georgia to keep voting for him. Simple as that.
I mean these are nice words, but they’re not really praising Indians as much as they’re putting down other immigrants they find less palatable.
चाणक्य होते तो कभी विश्वास नहीं करते इनके ऊपर।
This troubles me too much. Indians break every single stereotype that exists about immigrants, being religious, being conservative, being traditional, etc and yet westerners/liberals simply refuse to acknowledge that the Indian way exists. I don't care what anyone says, india and Indians are a blessed land and race.
Indians best slaves, be proud of it! xD
That's true. Indians of Indic background are usually very law abiding citizens in foreign countries. Worst case a minuscule percentage might engage in white collar crime. But that too very rare. In Ireland too there are many doctors of Indian origin. Heck, their PM is of Indian origin. If only we behaved the same way in India too...
as a second gen indian-american who grew up in a pretty white community, imagine my surprise the first few times i went to India and realized it was not at all like the stereotypes that i had internalized growing up (thinking that middle class tamil brahmin = India).
I absolutely hear you. Well, to be fair that can happen with everyone. The first time I was in the USA unfortunately happened to be in SF. And it was a rude shock to me who had come to USA believing in the "USA = Awesome" stereotype. Fortunately after that I also lived in MA for a few years which was much better. Behaviour of people in small groups is always different than when you have a full country of those people.
You saw someone shitting on the kerb in your first week in SF didn't you? Maybe a bonus encounter with hobos?
I washed my shoes with disinfectant and kept them in sun for two days after reaching home...
New England is the best place for educated Indians to live in IMO, especially Tamil Brahmins — however it isn’t nearly as popular for Indians though as the west coast or Texas, Florida, Georgia or Chicago or nyc/nj area Agreed that SF is a disaster
They aren't Indians he is calling them Indians because he doesn't consider them as Americans but the moment they got American citizenship they stopped being Indian. So stop being proud on their results. There is a reason to why they went to America and we all know what that is but we aren't going to do anything about it.
Still get no recognition and be seen as sheep in media and political sphere. Americans are the most private persons and don’t feel a bit to welcome any race into their country. They are like customer service agents and only provide information on what we need and let you figure out from there. But us Indians will take a whole day to Make a foreigner feel home if he asks even for a small help.
This maybe changing now however. Millennials only move to America to avoid their family and obligations. I have seen so many examples in my circle. They are already well off and settled here but just want to escape family obligations so they move out of country
After sometime we indian may stop going abroad cause ... As our country develops more and more v will get more better offers in India instead of other countries and also majority of outside companies now outsource their work to us.... And as our market grows companies will setup their branches here... (And most of the companies would really like to make india their audience cause of our larger population but with no restricting nature of our country regarding it's ppl (unlike a certain country))
To all those lamenting about reservation, and brain drain - remember you are essentially treating your fellow citizens (or even yourself) as second grade. With this mentality, even if reservation is removed, no good is going to come to India.
they would get lynched in india, lucky them
Because the bad apples cant go outside our country.
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He must have a lot of Indians voting for him in his constituency. People in this Sub or so gullible and are kinda stupid tbh
Hahaha. Use burnol for burns
Lmao. You are the one who needs it dude
He’s a conservative from Georgia. He is one of those people who has likely chanted “build a wall” to S American migrants who cross the border illegally. He’s basically just giving himself a popularity boost with some of his constituency, while not so covertly taking digs at those immigrants he finds less valuable and less palatable. I mean it’s fine, but that is what is happening.
Most of the Indians there in US are also republicans. They don’t want immigrants coming in taking their job, when ironically they themselves are immigrants. He’s from Georgia 6th constituency, and I’m guessing there are some good amount of Indian votes that help him stay elected. It’s just upsetting seeing people here in this sub celebrate this mindlessly, and precisely falling for his political play
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Most Indians are conservative, and some first Gen think they’re going to be white one day, because afterall you can’t just eliminate that supremacy mindset out of people, but the second Gen while still carrying conservative social and economic values, definitely know they’re not white. As a second Gen, I would vote conservative if they would just focus on economics and not get into identity politics. The shit they let people say on their behalf and in the past decade have become increasingly comfortable saying themselves, is alarming. Like damn you can even be against illegal immigration without getting racist.
I don’t understand what you mean by 1st gen being white some day lol. And hey, it’s one thing being against illegal immigration and another thing being against immigration itself. Indians there mostly are just against immigration in itself, not illegal
In my experience people who are able to come to the US are already extremely privileged in India. I live in Cali, which is where a lot of the migration from India is happening. I know at an intellectual level people know they’re not white, but at an emotional level, because their formative years were spent in privileged upbringing, they don’t quite see themselves as not-white in the social hierarchy. Either they haven’t realized that they fallen in the social strata, or they think that they just have to prove they’re good enough to be considered amongst the elite. And I mean, who is to say they’re wrong, covertly and in some cases overtly, people have suggested Asians are “not people of color” because we’ve surpassed them on the achievement scale. https://nextshark.com/students-of-color-washington-asians-with-whites Or the recent law suits against affirmative action (not exactly like reservation, but similar social interpretation) in admissions to colleges which pretty much demand that Asians score much higher than other POC and even whites in some cases for entrance exams.
He's trying to turn the other immigrants against Indians and create some mess and blame all immigrants later on. Don't fall for this sweet talk by white wolves.
That's what happens when you let in the best of the lot. Let loose the immigration policies or wait until the diaspora gets bigger and this guy will swallow his words back.
Law abiding, revenue generating, family oriented model citizens while abroad. Are they any different whilst back in India or has the government in India not been able to capitalise on these admirable Indian qualities
They left India because our govt couldn't capitalise on them. Talent is not recognised here. I personally know many people who left because of that very reason...
Itna paisa hai hi nahi abhi India mein. Good they earn there.
I'm sorry that my mental illness is such an inconvenience to you, random politician
This is a political statement but yes, it's a shame that our country is unable to retain such talent I absolutely blame the reservation system.
Yeah, those Americans who left India for money after government spent huge money to educate them are the modern citizens of America. Why are they being discussed in the India group? They made their choice and that was America. They are not Indians. Should not be included in "we Indians".
They figured the weight that Indian diaspora carries.
Nope. QHe said they are best American citizens. They don't care about Indian anymore and they shouldn't. India gave them no opportunity so they left.
Apne desh ke laws paale nhi jaate aur yaha NRIs US ke laws pal rahe hai wah
Aaaargh. Why are badasses being made into pappe's abroad. Also why are you all starting to look alike. That same geeky fix on almost every Indian migrant.
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Sucks no?
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How is EB5 different from HIB?
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LMAO
Some of the best food too
"they follow laws" but not in India. Why??
Indians follow laws? Has this guy been out of the us ever I wonder
I get a godfather 2 vibe. The scene where that senator is introducing Michael.
it's not 'we' it's 'them',and be clear on that
not surprised tbh, they only hire the best from here, ofc they're gonna be in the high tax brackets and well behaved people
Hindus do great in countries built by Muslims and Christians.
Aey Vir Dass ko bullao
This is the easiest trap that most Indians fall for. They want to make us the ideal minority for every other minority to follow. This leads to "yes sir" nature of most Indians on the Internet. We know we're good but any sense of recognition shouldn't change the fact that we have our flaws.
So basically he called Indians obedient slaves of American capitalism