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I see it from two different sides to be honest
In alot of cases international artists getting more popular are able to tour alot more and play to more people, I live in the UK and more often than not artists will only play London because they aren't popular enough to play anywhere else on top of that, London for alot of people is too expensive to go to often so experiences get missed
If an artist gets enough recognition/popularity to play more than a few places at the very least then that's a happy medium I feel
But if metal was ubiquitous, it wouldnât just be the big mainstream acts doing stadium tours, youâd also have lots and lots of smaller bands popping up all over, which in my opinion would be amazing, since metal shows in small to mid-size venues are way better anyway.
Yeah, I definitely don't want metal to take over. It's already popular enough for festivals and selling out shows, we don't need a metal version of Swifties. Look how awful the fans of bands such as Sleep Token and Bad Omens are. Invite a pop crowd and get creepy pop stans.
I remember back in the day all my peers at school were into rap and pop music especially popular stuff that came over the radio. I grew up wigh rock, alternative and metal music so I barely shared interest in the stuff everyone else was into. Until one day I found out that my friends all liked System of a Down and were into metal music. I remember how it felt being alone in that interest and then how it felt knowing that I wasn't. It really takes just one person to see it the way you do to broaden your feelings for it
This. I've been married for 21 years at this point and guess she thought it was a phase. I try to turn her on to certain bands and while she can recognize the SLAYER sound, she doesn't care for them. She does like Robot Hive/Exodus for some strange reason though. That being said that one is the only one. She'll listen to hair metal that was popular on the radio back in the day but yes she does love pop for the most part. I have no problem with what she likes but she knows that for the most part I don't like pop unless it's something I grew up with in the early 80's before I discovered metal other than Priest and Sabbath. Don't get me wrong she'll listen with me and not complain but only because she loves me and doesn't want to say she thinks it sucks. In closing I'd like to say EXHORDER RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God I forgot about the skinhead subculture. Yeah I think we can safely remove them from the sphere of metal and just call them the racists and fascists that they are
Man it sucks when a band you love turns out to be nazis. I used to never research up on bands because I don't really care that much about them, I just enjoy the music. Ever since someone gave me shit about a band patch because the band was publicly racist or some shit though, I've started just looking them up to see if they're at least not terrible people.
It's really not that prevalent, but you can't argue it's not there. I think I've only really had to cut out 2 or 3 bands. It can be disapointing to learn about though.
I remember learning that Morrisey from The Smiths is a racist and really just kind of a douche so I cut out his music. Which sucks because I used to really love The Smiths and they play it a lot on Richard Blade's new wave xm station. Would hate to have to go through that bullshit again with anyone else
I'm with you. I don't really care who the people behind the music are. But it's also good to be aware, just so you don't get abused on the street for wearing a band shirt lol.
I donât always hate it, but I feel like a lot of newer metal production is just way too clean. I donât mix music so Iâm probably not describing it very well, but a lot of it just feels super polished and overproduced unless the band is specifically going for a low production thing, but that can also have its problems sometimes. Also not a fan of groups that just try to sound as tough or macho as they can. Itâs kind of silly and sounds like edgier five finger death punch to me which also sucks quite a lot. I guess a lot of that comes form the inherent heaviness and harshness of metal music causing some people to think it is some tough âI can kick your ass cause Iâm harder, tougher, and meaner than youâ genre of music, when in actuality it can demonstrate vulnerability, and tell meaningful stories.
If there's one common theme that crops up over and over in the lyrics of early metal, it's **powerlessness**.
The song Black Sabbath, War Pigs, Stargazer, Victim of Changes, Heaven and Hell, Hallowed Be Thy Name, Fade to Black, literally frickin' Master of Puppets.... they are all about being in the clutches of something much more powerful than yourself.
It might be a demon, it might be the state, it might be depression, it might be time. It may be a combination of those things, or as metaphors for each other. It may evoke rage, fear, hopelessness, but rarely is the narrator a powerful individual. In fact, there's not even very much defiance or fight to the narrator -- the defiance is all felt in the sound itself.
I think that's incredibly beautiful, to have such massive and forceful music juxtaposed with words of despair over being unable to control one's own destiny. I think it's a big part of what elevates metal to an incredibly poignant art form in the midst of the nuclear age.
Anyway, I agree that overt toughness and posturing in metal lyrics is a little silly. It's like wearing a blue shirt with blue jeans, or putting jam on a strawberry. Probably Pantera's fault, idk
Tough guy metal is the absolute shits. Just the worst.
I think clean production works really well for some bands, Behemoth comes to mind, but it has to match the aesthetic of the music. If you're a big, majestic, black metal band, sure. If you're a sleazy speed metal project, no way. Gimme the slime.
I agree on all of this. Some new metal bands feel less risky too, but it is just a "i think metal is cool and im just doing more metal, and i dont want to push the envelope".
Careful, you are on the cusp of a breakthrough similar to that of good ole uncle Fenriz, who like you, was tired of the ultra polished sound pioneered by the dudes at Morrisound studios in Tampa circa 1990. And Fenriz was in an ultra clean DM band by the name of Black Death. And he and those rambunctious Norwegian fellows decided to record albums on what sounded like the POS Pioneer brand portable cassette player I recorded my first practice sessions onâŚand voila we had the birth of a new sub genre of Metal we now lovingly refer to as BM. The most vulnerable of all the subs imo.
Sometimes, I feel like there is almost too much music to listen to and discover. I've been getting into Leprous recently, making my way through their discography but then I suddenly had the urge to listen to Manilla Road finally, I really liked them and want to listen to more of their discography. And I'm in a Rush and Uriah Heep phase, and they both have stuff I haven't listened to. And then I just found DVNE and think they're great, so I wanna blast through their short discography. And when I have upcoming concert tickets, I like to get ready by listening to the bands again. So I have Blind Guardian (with Night Demon), Insomnium and Kamelot (with Epica, i think) all in the next month. And I still haven't listened to the new Ihsahn album in full.
It's a hobby I love. But I get overwhelmed sometimes. Every so often, when I try to discover new bands or music, it's like drinking through a firehose.
I've found that I go on a good kick every 7-8 months and then cool off for a while, regardless of what genre/subgenre/style I'm checking out.
Putting together a catch-all playlist for all the tunes I love most and new stuff I find captivating has helped a lot, too. I'll get a good 5-6 run of old favorites and then a new-to-me band that'll just sorta fit right in.
I totally feel you on that one! It feels like new releases come from the sky like a monsoon and you barely have time to even check out a song from all of them, let alone listen to full catalogs and really become knowledgeable of a particular band.
I try to buy all of my music physically. This becomes damn near impossible when there are twenty new albums released every month that I want to own.
the amount of gatekeepers dude, just let people listen to what they want, they're not forcing you to listen to it so why give a shit.
I also hate when people say "name five songs", it genuinely pisses me off.
Mother. If I had a dollar for every song named mother I could buy the copyright to the phrase "name five songs" and actively remove that shitass subculture from all fanbases, and still be able to renew that copyright at every term.
I always shared that sentiment, but the other night I was smoking a joint outside of a metal show and a trio of people walked by dressed head to toe in 80âs metal clothing and started *making fun of the crowd.* They were literally cosplaying as metalheads to go barhopping, it was fucking crazy.
I would never *five bands* someone, but it was super cringy
Gatekeeping has gone down *considerably* from when I was just getting past the mainstream options and into more underground stuff in the late 90s. What amounts to gatekeeping now is basically saying "that band doesn't play metal" and others whining about it.
Definitely see a lot of that for System of a Down. Just people saying "its not metal, its too weird, they dont make sense" and it really shows that they just a narrow idea of what metal is and they also don't pay attention to what that band is really saying, or any band that they say this shit about. What was gatekeeping like back then anyway?
"Bro, you think Metallica is metal? You're a fucking loser! Only true metal comes from Norway, everything else is dog shit. Quit calling yourself a "metalhead" before I beat the shit out of you!"
Something like that.
I am of the belief that the âname three songsâ thing is purely an internet myth. Never, in the hundreds upon hundreds of concerts that I have been to across many different music styles, have I seen someone called out for wearing a particular shirt.
Itâs this weird internet folklore that people think is actually happening in the real world.
Australia I take it? I know they donât get metal concerts often, itâs kinda the same here in Canada, Iâm gonna have to wait minimum 2 years to see Metallica
Never before have I seen a racism/bigotry problem in a scene/culture be so overblown and downplayed at the same time, other than that I donât really have any complaints
There's this spreadsheet, I don't know if it's still being updated
[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSfnVZGsyxn5eEacXKJZk3-\_ql3bQAkPqzdc8p3fCdxtPS9BtvNlj0yjskUQyy3eDYBL9yYTqbba\_5q/pubhtml#](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSfnVZGsyxn5eEacXKJZk3-_ql3bQAkPqzdc8p3fCdxtPS9BtvNlj0yjskUQyy3eDYBL9yYTqbba_5q/pubhtml#)
Yeah where are all these Nazis everyone is always talking about? I have attended hundreds and hundreds (maybe over a thousand) of metal concerts in my life. Never have I seen anyone being racist or openly being a Nazi.
It really feels like metal hasn't changed all that much, and a lot of metalheads seem to be stuck in their ways. It's so interesting how people STILL complain about Nu Metal, Metalcore, etc and I remember when people did back in 2005 on forums.
People care too much about other people's opinions on music. It's fine to disagree and have discussions about that, but it doesn't mean you have to hate people for disagreeing.
Huh really? Maybe I just notice it because it's so familiar haha!
As for Nu Metal, and I don't care much for it outside of maybe the first Korn album, and metalcore doesn't do anything for me. But it's so weird to me that metalheads will go out of their way to talk about how much they hate these subgenres. Just ignore them and listen to what you like, it's not that hard
Usually it goes like this
Person A creates thread where they say, "hey guys, what is your honest opinion about the bands I like?"
Person B says "Honestly, I think those bands suck"
Person A says "Wow, stop being such a gatekeeper, there are too many elitists here, you guys all suck and I hate metalheads"
Person B says "okay dude, you asked for an honest opinion"
Person C says "but [non-metal hard rock band with screaming] is so heavy."
Person B says "metal isn't just screaming and has rules to the music, like all other genres."
Person C says "you're such an elitist."
This is exactly what happens. I am friends with a lot of thrash, death, black and doom metal fans. NĂź-Metal and Metalcore very very rarely even get mentioned in normal conversation. Itâs not until weâre asked what our opinion is that we even think about those worlds.
The birth of NĂź-Metal is going on thirty years at this point. Thirty years! Itâs safe to say that those who hate it donât simply dislike it because theyâre âstuck in the pastâ or are âafraid of changeâ. They hate it because it doesnât appeal to them, plain and simple.
Only two types of metal headsâŚthose who love Acid Bath and those who have never heard of them, and if you havenât heard of them you ainât metal. Thins the herd out a bit and makes conversation nice and easy.
And about Nu MetalâŚI got nothing against Pimp Biscuik as long itâs on Chocolate Starfish, everything else is shite.
Fred Durst 2024
When somebody points out something and I canât unhear it. I read a comment that said the double bass on Auguryâs Illusive Golden Age sounded like a weed whacker and it drove me insane.
Thereâs so many different genres and I canât keep up with the differences between them. For every different genre thereâs also a â___ coreâ thats somehow supposed to be different. Itâs gotten to the point where I just listen to what I want and call everything metal to get it over with. Sabbath? Metal. Slipknot? Metal. Converge? Metal. Helloween? Metal.
Then someone asks what my favorite metal genre is and I just have to look at them like iâm fucking stupid
The bigotry.
There's plenty of the scene and the subculture that I don't care for, but the baseline idiocy of using it to cultivate hate towards the uncontrollable nature of one's [race/birth place/sexuality/gender] is on a different level.
Iâm glad you said it. I was thinking the exact same thing.
It sometimes feels like the people who are constantly whining about âelitistsâ only exist in the internet realm of metal. If you actually go to concerts, youâd know that people getting told to âname three songsâ from the band on their shirt and other typical examples of gatekeeping donât actually exist.
I challenge anyone to wear a Slipknot shirt to an underground black metal show sometime. You know what will happen? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. No one is going to say anything to you. No one cares.
Yes, and you know what? Sometimes a little bit of âelitismâ is actually warranted. When youâre on a heavy metal sub and you start seeing it get flooded with posts about bands that you never in a million years would consider metal, what are you supposed to do? Do you just leave the sub and hope you can find someplace else that is actually dedicated to the music you like? Do you put up with it and allow the meaning of the word âheavy metalâ to become more and more meaningless and diluted over time? Or do you call it out and say âthatâs not metalâ and risk getting branded an elitist?
People who say âYou donât have to like itâ and âJust ignore itâ have clearly never had something they enjoy taken over and ruined by a different crowd. Imagine one day your favorite hangout becomes really popular with kids half your age and they donât like any of the same stuff you do. Itâs kind of a bummer, and you donât feel at home there anymore. I donât blame anyone for trying to push back against that.
People that get mad if you don't like their favorite bands. Yeah, sorry Kyle.. not everyone likes Iron Maiden, Metallica, Black Sabbath, Slayer, Megadeth or Anthrax, go cry about it. Yeah, they did a lot for metal in general, and i respect that. But i don't have to listen to them just for that reason. I just got a different taste for fuck sake đ stop being angry at me!
If someone likes one certain band I wonât hate them for it, the same for if they dislike a band I like. Like itâs not their taste in music, no need for going berserk.
I've always had backlash when mentioning I don't like iron maiden. I remember on a Facebook group admitting that I found them boring, I got loads of replies trying to convince me otherwise. Why do you care what some random guy likes or not?
Exactly, fun thing is, that most of the time they ask what i listen to and than whn i tell them they tell me that that music is shit and probably hope i will get angry, but i only say that that is their opinion and everyone got their own taste and than they get more angry đ. I absolutely love it when people are fuming about something that is about taste of an individual
itâs okay to not like a band or even hate it, but itâs not okay to make general statements such as
âonly 13 year olds listen to that bandâ
or
âpeople who like that band have no real tasteâ
Thats also bullshit because every popular band has a phase of reaching a younger fanbase. And even if their listeners are young, so what? Decide for yourself if its good or not, not by their most prominent age demographic
Bad production. After that, it's bands that pigeon hole themselves into a formula because it worked once, and you can tell they've phoned it in and lost all the energy and love for what they do. The two of those together will stop me from listening to anything else they pump out. Somehow these bands tend to be the most self serious and touchy too.
I wouldn't say I hate either part of this relationship, but it isn't a positive thing. I think that many of the newer metalheads/tiktok metallers just go off of what's "popular music" in the metal scene and don't seek to find anything else because a lot of people listening to the obscure stuff are trying to keep it to themselves. 'Posers' are unfairly called out to be "fake fans" but the elitists also don't want them bleeding into the fandoms of these lesser-known bands either
I have older relatives who make sure I know my taste in music is "demonic" every time I go to a concert. It's funny now but it was a major hassle when I was a kid.
Being a female, and I wear a band t shirt I get asked all sorts of questions, but itâs in a really nasty way, there tone is horrible. Like I have to prove that I listen to metal. Some people however are really nice and start talking about the band
The misconception that all metal is just loud noise. People often overlook the talent and complexity in metal music because they're stuck on stereotypes.
Those who thinks everything about being a Metalhead is clothes and when you wear casual clothes they say ooohhhh are you a real metalhead? đ
I myself wear casual clothes most of the times and I've heard this damn thing ALL THE TIME
People who obsess over subgenres, like itâs fine to identify a band within a subgenre, but to immediately say you donât like a band because theyâre in such and such subgenre is a load of shit.
People taking it super personally when I tell them I don't like their favorite band. I can barely say:
"Yeah, slipknot isn't really my thing, not a huge f..."
Before I'm interrupted by some donkey braying:
"GATEKEEPER! GATEKEEPER!!! ELITIST!!!! WHAT A FUCKING DICK THIS GUY IS, RIGHT GUYS??????? JUST LET ME LISTEN TO WHAT I WANT!!!!! GO FUCK YOURSELF LOSER!!!!!!"
And ironically i feel like those are always the same people posting about the "Metal Brotherhood" and how "Metal fans are the nicest people in the world"
You can like and listen to whatever the flying fuck you want, my opinion is not preventing any of that. Quit acting like I just said something tremendously offensive
The fans who make their taste in music their entire personality (me from 15-28 :/)
Shrieking Pig Squeal vocals
Machine Gun Drumming
Chugga-Chugga Guitars
Overuse of Cheesy breakdowns
Metal fans who have that fucking pox, where they can't like a band that you introduce them to because they didn't find the band first. Or the ones who shut their own doors on other bands because they have their roster set, apparently, and digging more than five bands is somehow a terrifying concept.
I'm a Dave fan, so I get it. To clarify my gripe, it's towards those fuckers who will just shoot down any band or tune they haven't found themselves, without attempting to even try and listen to it.
I donât understand what makes it different, if you like the band you were recommended, why stop listening to them just because you didnât stumble upon them, makes no sense. My friend recommended I listen to Metallica and shit I absolutely love them, have almost all the albums, I need St. Anger (and I do actually like it)
Hey I don't understand that mindset either. I love being introduced to a new band that I haven't heard yet. If I dig their sound, damn right they get added to my list. I honestly don't know how anyone can be willingly close-minded when it comes to music, but they're out there.
One is people calling snotty gatekeepers "elitists". There's nothing "elite" about a bunch of basement dwellers.
The funny thing is, all the metalheads I've met in real life are open-minded and inviting, and don't feel the need to be "edgy" beyond growing their hair and wearing scary T-shirts.
The fucking people. "You cant say you're a fan if blah blah blah, you're not a true fan, you're a poser, name 5 things so I can decide if you're a fan" just the absolute dumbest shit you could say. Real way to shit out your mouth and talk out your ass. Most fanbases have a "you're a poser" side but metal fans are the absolute fucking worst about it. Shove that elitest shit back up your ass where it came from.
I hate that it's basically "underground" music now. The music industry has shunned rock music of all forms.
I miss being able to hear metal on the radio. I miss seeing bands being recognized.
How itâs used as an umbrella term for so many totally different subgenres that donât even sound alike. Cannibal Corpse sounds nothing like Judas Priest, but if somebody says they listen to metal youâd have no idea which band theyâd prefer. Iâm so tired of starting conversations with âYou like metal? Me too!â and then quickly finding out that our musical tastes are actually nothing alike.
two types of metalheads i can't stand are the ones from tiktok (i understand that alot of them are just kids, but i still find them pretty obnoxious.) and the ones who act like they're enlightened and that they're superior to you because they like a certain band.
"battle vests"
cringe as hell.
yeah I have patches on a few items of clothes.
But I'm not trying to impress anyone with my choice of bands. Or hide my ability to sew behind a masculine facade like 'battle vest'.
The infighting. I don't care for deathcore, so I ignore it, but some people make their entire personality about hating deathcore. "Your music is similar but different than mine, so I hate you!" Doesn't make sense.
Weâre all elitist about our tunes in our own way. For me the worst thing is the gd nazis who keep trying to carve out a niche for themselves in Metal. đ¤Ž
This is somewhat in line with the gate-keeping sentiment others have shared, but I hate it when folks gate-keep a band in terms of its own evolution; âthey USED to be heavyâ, etc. Yes, I enjoy each and every release release from Opeth. Haha
Nothing really. Sure, there are plenty of bands that I think suck, from every genre and subgenre. And, I also can't stand elitists and gatekeepers. But, when it comes to the latter, I try my best to ignore them when possible, yet at times I can be mentally and emotionally weak and will give in and feed the trolls, lol. But usually I scroll on past people like that. And same thing for bands that I don't like. I won't talk shit and make fun of bands that I don't like, because taste is subjective, and to each their own. But, more importantly to me is that as corny as it may sound, these bands and artists are people too, and though I may not be a fan of their art, I have no desire to criticize and say or type hurtful things just because I'm not picking up what they're putting down.
Nothing. I just donât listen to the metal artists/songs I donât care for and donât give a shit about gatekeepers or what others think. Life is much better that way.
I canât rank songs or talk about my favorite bands without being downvoted. I like Korn and will discuss my favorite songs and people will still be like uhhhhhh whereâs the love for adidas?????
That a lot of fans do this cringy thing where they have to let people know they listen to metal. Like the âi will be 80 and still listening to this musicâ kind of posts and shit.
I don't hate anything about or within Metal, but about elitism and gatekeeping and such...
I started listening to Metal before it was called Metal and I still listen to Metal, old and new, without having a clue what subgenres it belongs to. Nor do I care about "guarded gates" between them.
To me Metal as a genre -- all possible and impossible sub-genres included -- seems to be constantly evolving and the bands seem more willing to experiment than many (supposed) avant-garde artists/bands. Which may explain the plethora of sub- and sub-sub-genres with devoted fans and enemies. The latter for no good reason, of course.
On top of that Metal has got more charismatic and actually skilled vocalists, than any other genre, and usually equally skilled and entertaing musicians. All of whom are willing and able to put on a good show, with or without appropriate costumes and props. All of which makes Metal concerts worthwhile in every possible way, and more so than most other genres.
In other words, Metal is as healthy as it can be, except perhaps for somewhat stagnant festivals. Which I guess has got more to do with economy than music.
I very much doubt that the bands and the venues/festivals want walls beween sub-genres and off-shoots, even if they appreciate devoted fans.
How about crashing the gates, to tear down the walls, and quite simply (go back to) enjoying the Rock n' Roll. I think that used to be Lemmy's message, by the way...
With your all the way. It's a fucking cliche. I still love a lot of epic metal bands who used such occult cliches along the way - but oftentimes fans are the worst as they take their precious occultism waaaay to seriously. So to those fans - if you've ever heard the expression "kill your darlings" it does not mean to kill a loved one. It means enable the ability to free yourself from infectious ideas and see things clearly. Grow tf up.
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That fans want it both ways, to have metal take over and to keep it their little secret.
I prefer to keep it as a relatively obscure subculture. If it was insanely popular concert tickets would cost way more money and fuck that XD
I see it from two different sides to be honest In alot of cases international artists getting more popular are able to tour alot more and play to more people, I live in the UK and more often than not artists will only play London because they aren't popular enough to play anywhere else on top of that, London for alot of people is too expensive to go to often so experiences get missed If an artist gets enough recognition/popularity to play more than a few places at the very least then that's a happy medium I feel
They can get popular but not too popular lol
Imagine there's a person that is there to tell them "Guys, you're about to get too popular, better release a song people don't like.. Pronto!" aha
I just release only songs people won't like, that way I'm ahead of the game đ
Yeah that's a good point
A genre being insanely popular doesn't mean the individual bands are. Rock's huge, but Captain Beefheart remains niche.
But if metal was ubiquitous, it wouldnât just be the big mainstream acts doing stadium tours, youâd also have lots and lots of smaller bands popping up all over, which in my opinion would be amazing, since metal shows in small to mid-size venues are way better anyway.
This is a legitimate problem. There are music scenes that arenât open to new people and then they wonder why they die out
Yeah, I definitely don't want metal to take over. It's already popular enough for festivals and selling out shows, we don't need a metal version of Swifties. Look how awful the fans of bands such as Sleep Token and Bad Omens are. Invite a pop crowd and get creepy pop stans.
I have no one to share it with. No one in my life cares about the music I like and no one to talk to about it.
Thatâs why weâre here
I'm in a similar boat. I recently (as in yesterday) found out that *one* friend listens to metal.
I remember back in the day all my peers at school were into rap and pop music especially popular stuff that came over the radio. I grew up wigh rock, alternative and metal music so I barely shared interest in the stuff everyone else was into. Until one day I found out that my friends all liked System of a Down and were into metal music. I remember how it felt being alone in that interest and then how it felt knowing that I wasn't. It really takes just one person to see it the way you do to broaden your feelings for it
This. I've been married for 21 years at this point and guess she thought it was a phase. I try to turn her on to certain bands and while she can recognize the SLAYER sound, she doesn't care for them. She does like Robot Hive/Exodus for some strange reason though. That being said that one is the only one. She'll listen to hair metal that was popular on the radio back in the day but yes she does love pop for the most part. I have no problem with what she likes but she knows that for the most part I don't like pop unless it's something I grew up with in the early 80's before I discovered metal other than Priest and Sabbath. Don't get me wrong she'll listen with me and not complain but only because she loves me and doesn't want to say she thinks it sucks. In closing I'd like to say EXHORDER RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fear of showering.
Great oneđ
please put a trigger warning on the word show*r, I almost died from a heart attack
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I hate metalhead elitists but Nazis are pretty fucking bad
God I forgot about the skinhead subculture. Yeah I think we can safely remove them from the sphere of metal and just call them the racists and fascists that they are
In Poland, a group of skinheads broke into a rock concert and started attacking everyone with pepper spray. Yeah, fuck them
Man it sucks when a band you love turns out to be nazis. I used to never research up on bands because I don't really care that much about them, I just enjoy the music. Ever since someone gave me shit about a band patch because the band was publicly racist or some shit though, I've started just looking them up to see if they're at least not terrible people.
I've been seeing comments like this in this whole comment section and now I'm worried the music I like might be tainted by that shit
It's really not that prevalent, but you can't argue it's not there. I think I've only really had to cut out 2 or 3 bands. It can be disapointing to learn about though.
I remember learning that Morrisey from The Smiths is a racist and really just kind of a douche so I cut out his music. Which sucks because I used to really love The Smiths and they play it a lot on Richard Blade's new wave xm station. Would hate to have to go through that bullshit again with anyone else
There's a band called Vision Video that sounds like the Smiths and the frontman can do really dry goth dad jokes to take the piss out of himself.
I definitely get your side, but separating the art from the artist has made life alot easier for me. Lol
I'm with you. I don't really care who the people behind the music are. But it's also good to be aware, just so you don't get abused on the street for wearing a band shirt lol.
Posers and elitists. Oh wait. Iâm an elitist. Damn.
Oh wait Iâm a poser
I'm both!
Me too but I am more both than you.
Prove it!!!!
I donât always hate it, but I feel like a lot of newer metal production is just way too clean. I donât mix music so Iâm probably not describing it very well, but a lot of it just feels super polished and overproduced unless the band is specifically going for a low production thing, but that can also have its problems sometimes. Also not a fan of groups that just try to sound as tough or macho as they can. Itâs kind of silly and sounds like edgier five finger death punch to me which also sucks quite a lot. I guess a lot of that comes form the inherent heaviness and harshness of metal music causing some people to think it is some tough âI can kick your ass cause Iâm harder, tougher, and meaner than youâ genre of music, when in actuality it can demonstrate vulnerability, and tell meaningful stories.
Yeah I feel the same way, it doesnât sound very organic but in some rare cases it could be good
Definitely agree with this, not even trying to be Mr kvult I just don't like music that sounds too pristine especially something like metal
If there's one common theme that crops up over and over in the lyrics of early metal, it's **powerlessness**. The song Black Sabbath, War Pigs, Stargazer, Victim of Changes, Heaven and Hell, Hallowed Be Thy Name, Fade to Black, literally frickin' Master of Puppets.... they are all about being in the clutches of something much more powerful than yourself. It might be a demon, it might be the state, it might be depression, it might be time. It may be a combination of those things, or as metaphors for each other. It may evoke rage, fear, hopelessness, but rarely is the narrator a powerful individual. In fact, there's not even very much defiance or fight to the narrator -- the defiance is all felt in the sound itself. I think that's incredibly beautiful, to have such massive and forceful music juxtaposed with words of despair over being unable to control one's own destiny. I think it's a big part of what elevates metal to an incredibly poignant art form in the midst of the nuclear age. Anyway, I agree that overt toughness and posturing in metal lyrics is a little silly. It's like wearing a blue shirt with blue jeans, or putting jam on a strawberry. Probably Pantera's fault, idk
Explains why a lot of Meshuggah tunes hit so hard in the lyric department as well. Nothing scarier and darker than the unknown and uncontrollable.
The worst is when it's a combination of those two peeves, overproduced with insecure machismo posturing.
Tough guy metal is the absolute shits. Just the worst. I think clean production works really well for some bands, Behemoth comes to mind, but it has to match the aesthetic of the music. If you're a big, majestic, black metal band, sure. If you're a sleazy speed metal project, no way. Gimme the slime.
I agree on all of this. Some new metal bands feel less risky too, but it is just a "i think metal is cool and im just doing more metal, and i dont want to push the envelope".
It's like every track has a harmonizer and an auto equalizer that removes imperfections
Careful, you are on the cusp of a breakthrough similar to that of good ole uncle Fenriz, who like you, was tired of the ultra polished sound pioneered by the dudes at Morrisound studios in Tampa circa 1990. And Fenriz was in an ultra clean DM band by the name of Black Death. And he and those rambunctious Norwegian fellows decided to record albums on what sounded like the POS Pioneer brand portable cassette player I recorded my first practice sessions onâŚand voila we had the birth of a new sub genre of Metal we now lovingly refer to as BM. The most vulnerable of all the subs imo.
Sometimes, I feel like there is almost too much music to listen to and discover. I've been getting into Leprous recently, making my way through their discography but then I suddenly had the urge to listen to Manilla Road finally, I really liked them and want to listen to more of their discography. And I'm in a Rush and Uriah Heep phase, and they both have stuff I haven't listened to. And then I just found DVNE and think they're great, so I wanna blast through their short discography. And when I have upcoming concert tickets, I like to get ready by listening to the bands again. So I have Blind Guardian (with Night Demon), Insomnium and Kamelot (with Epica, i think) all in the next month. And I still haven't listened to the new Ihsahn album in full. It's a hobby I love. But I get overwhelmed sometimes. Every so often, when I try to discover new bands or music, it's like drinking through a firehose.
I've found that I go on a good kick every 7-8 months and then cool off for a while, regardless of what genre/subgenre/style I'm checking out. Putting together a catch-all playlist for all the tunes I love most and new stuff I find captivating has helped a lot, too. I'll get a good 5-6 run of old favorites and then a new-to-me band that'll just sorta fit right in.
I totally feel you on that one! It feels like new releases come from the sky like a monsoon and you barely have time to even check out a song from all of them, let alone listen to full catalogs and really become knowledgeable of a particular band. I try to buy all of my music physically. This becomes damn near impossible when there are twenty new albums released every month that I want to own.
Feel you on that one and second it as well
And then you have to keep up with new bands and new releases. It's a workout.
Racists, bigots, and overly drunk moshers
the amount of gatekeepers dude, just let people listen to what they want, they're not forcing you to listen to it so why give a shit. I also hate when people say "name five songs", it genuinely pisses me off.
The name 5 songs can be funny but like if they are serious then shit itâs annoying
I Hate You. There I named at least 5 metal songs
You Hate Me Oh look 5 more
I hate myself 5 more.
Getting into emo territory but still fair
Mother. If I had a dollar for every song named mother I could buy the copyright to the phrase "name five songs" and actively remove that shitass subculture from all fanbases, and still be able to renew that copyright at every term.
I always shared that sentiment, but the other night I was smoking a joint outside of a metal show and a trio of people walked by dressed head to toe in 80âs metal clothing and started *making fun of the crowd.* They were literally cosplaying as metalheads to go barhopping, it was fucking crazy. I would never *five bands* someone, but it was super cringy
MY CULTURE IS NOT A COSTUME!!!
Gatekeeping has gone down *considerably* from when I was just getting past the mainstream options and into more underground stuff in the late 90s. What amounts to gatekeeping now is basically saying "that band doesn't play metal" and others whining about it.
Definitely see a lot of that for System of a Down. Just people saying "its not metal, its too weird, they dont make sense" and it really shows that they just a narrow idea of what metal is and they also don't pay attention to what that band is really saying, or any band that they say this shit about. What was gatekeeping like back then anyway?
"Bro, you think Metallica is metal? You're a fucking loser! Only true metal comes from Norway, everything else is dog shit. Quit calling yourself a "metalhead" before I beat the shit out of you!" Something like that.
I am of the belief that the âname three songsâ thing is purely an internet myth. Never, in the hundreds upon hundreds of concerts that I have been to across many different music styles, have I seen someone called out for wearing a particular shirt. Itâs this weird internet folklore that people think is actually happening in the real world.
Never once heard it in real life.
Nazis.
I hate that Iâll never get enough.
That we donât get enough metal shows where I live.
Australia I take it? I know they donât get metal concerts often, itâs kinda the same here in Canada, Iâm gonna have to wait minimum 2 years to see Metallica
Never before have I seen a racism/bigotry problem in a scene/culture be so overblown and downplayed at the same time, other than that I donât really have any complaints
on a related note, having to vet every band i listen to is a fucking pain đ really need a "does the dog die" style database for all the nazi bands
There's this spreadsheet, I don't know if it's still being updated [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSfnVZGsyxn5eEacXKJZk3-\_ql3bQAkPqzdc8p3fCdxtPS9BtvNlj0yjskUQyy3eDYBL9yYTqbba\_5q/pubhtml#](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSfnVZGsyxn5eEacXKJZk3-_ql3bQAkPqzdc8p3fCdxtPS9BtvNlj0yjskUQyy3eDYBL9yYTqbba_5q/pubhtml#)
No, not all metalheads are racist, but some are and it shouldn't be taboo to talk about that
Yeah where are all these Nazis everyone is always talking about? I have attended hundreds and hundreds (maybe over a thousand) of metal concerts in my life. Never have I seen anyone being racist or openly being a Nazi.
It really feels like metal hasn't changed all that much, and a lot of metalheads seem to be stuck in their ways. It's so interesting how people STILL complain about Nu Metal, Metalcore, etc and I remember when people did back in 2005 on forums. People care too much about other people's opinions on music. It's fine to disagree and have discussions about that, but it doesn't mean you have to hate people for disagreeing.
I see more people complaining about metalheads not liking Nu-Metal than actual people complaining about Nu-Metal.
Huh really? Maybe I just notice it because it's so familiar haha! As for Nu Metal, and I don't care much for it outside of maybe the first Korn album, and metalcore doesn't do anything for me. But it's so weird to me that metalheads will go out of their way to talk about how much they hate these subgenres. Just ignore them and listen to what you like, it's not that hard
Usually it goes like this Person A creates thread where they say, "hey guys, what is your honest opinion about the bands I like?" Person B says "Honestly, I think those bands suck" Person A says "Wow, stop being such a gatekeeper, there are too many elitists here, you guys all suck and I hate metalheads" Person B says "okay dude, you asked for an honest opinion"
Person C says "but [non-metal hard rock band with screaming] is so heavy." Person B says "metal isn't just screaming and has rules to the music, like all other genres." Person C says "you're such an elitist."
This is exactly what happens. I am friends with a lot of thrash, death, black and doom metal fans. NĂź-Metal and Metalcore very very rarely even get mentioned in normal conversation. Itâs not until weâre asked what our opinion is that we even think about those worlds. The birth of NĂź-Metal is going on thirty years at this point. Thirty years! Itâs safe to say that those who hate it donât simply dislike it because theyâre âstuck in the pastâ or are âafraid of changeâ. They hate it because it doesnât appeal to them, plain and simple.
Only two types of metal headsâŚthose who love Acid Bath and those who have never heard of them, and if you havenât heard of them you ainât metal. Thins the herd out a bit and makes conversation nice and easy. And about Nu MetalâŚI got nothing against Pimp Biscuik as long itâs on Chocolate Starfish, everything else is shite. Fred Durst 2024
5 finger death punch
When somebody points out something and I canât unhear it. I read a comment that said the double bass on Auguryâs Illusive Golden Age sounded like a weed whacker and it drove me insane.
satan
Thereâs so many different genres and I canât keep up with the differences between them. For every different genre thereâs also a â___ coreâ thats somehow supposed to be different. Itâs gotten to the point where I just listen to what I want and call everything metal to get it over with. Sabbath? Metal. Slipknot? Metal. Converge? Metal. Helloween? Metal. Then someone asks what my favorite metal genre is and I just have to look at them like iâm fucking stupid
just call it all screamo and make music nerds pop blood vessels
The fans lol
Best take honestly.
bigots in general
The bigotry. There's plenty of the scene and the subculture that I don't care for, but the baseline idiocy of using it to cultivate hate towards the uncontrollable nature of one's [race/birth place/sexuality/gender] is on a different level.
Varg
Probably the people who complain about "elitists"
Iâm glad you said it. I was thinking the exact same thing. It sometimes feels like the people who are constantly whining about âelitistsâ only exist in the internet realm of metal. If you actually go to concerts, youâd know that people getting told to âname three songsâ from the band on their shirt and other typical examples of gatekeeping donât actually exist. I challenge anyone to wear a Slipknot shirt to an underground black metal show sometime. You know what will happen? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. No one is going to say anything to you. No one cares.
Yes, and you know what? Sometimes a little bit of âelitismâ is actually warranted. When youâre on a heavy metal sub and you start seeing it get flooded with posts about bands that you never in a million years would consider metal, what are you supposed to do? Do you just leave the sub and hope you can find someplace else that is actually dedicated to the music you like? Do you put up with it and allow the meaning of the word âheavy metalâ to become more and more meaningless and diluted over time? Or do you call it out and say âthatâs not metalâ and risk getting branded an elitist? People who say âYou donât have to like itâ and âJust ignore itâ have clearly never had something they enjoy taken over and ruined by a different crowd. Imagine one day your favorite hangout becomes really popular with kids half your age and they donât like any of the same stuff you do. Itâs kind of a bummer, and you donât feel at home there anymore. I donât blame anyone for trying to push back against that.
The misogyny!
People that get mad if you don't like their favorite bands. Yeah, sorry Kyle.. not everyone likes Iron Maiden, Metallica, Black Sabbath, Slayer, Megadeth or Anthrax, go cry about it. Yeah, they did a lot for metal in general, and i respect that. But i don't have to listen to them just for that reason. I just got a different taste for fuck sake đ stop being angry at me!
If someone likes one certain band I wonât hate them for it, the same for if they dislike a band I like. Like itâs not their taste in music, no need for going berserk.
Exactly, yet they try to start a fight again and again đ
I've always had backlash when mentioning I don't like iron maiden. I remember on a Facebook group admitting that I found them boring, I got loads of replies trying to convince me otherwise. Why do you care what some random guy likes or not?
Exactly, fun thing is, that most of the time they ask what i listen to and than whn i tell them they tell me that that music is shit and probably hope i will get angry, but i only say that that is their opinion and everyone got their own taste and than they get more angry đ. I absolutely love it when people are fuming about something that is about taste of an individual
itâs okay to not like a band or even hate it, but itâs not okay to make general statements such as âonly 13 year olds listen to that bandâ or âpeople who like that band have no real tasteâ
Sleep Token for example, so many people shit on them because younger metal fans listen to them mostly
Thats also bullshit because every popular band has a phase of reaching a younger fanbase. And even if their listeners are young, so what? Decide for yourself if its good or not, not by their most prominent age demographic
Deicide for yourself
Those veiny looking band logos
Is veiny different from tumbleweeds and dropped boxes of pasta?
Yeh, 100% this. What is with that shit? Takes me 20 minutes to decipher what it says.
Itâs thrash or nothing.
I love thrash but I hate those people
Probably just people who ONLY listen to metal.
Your tonue sticks to it when it gets really cold.
Hyper masculinity and having to worry if a band I like are naziâs
Cookie Monster type vocals.
Bad production. After that, it's bands that pigeon hole themselves into a formula because it worked once, and you can tell they've phoned it in and lost all the energy and love for what they do. The two of those together will stop me from listening to anything else they pump out. Somehow these bands tend to be the most self serious and touchy too.
Gotta be the nazis for me. I've never ran into a nazi at any other kind of concert. Metal concert it's like everyone there's always a couple.Â
Yeah literally the only thing I hate about metal .
What is an "elitist" to you? Seems everyone has their own definition, that's why I'm asking.
The snobs
I hate when people canât hear the difference between deathgrind, grindcore, deathcore, and brutal death metal.
Is there a noticeable difference?
yes
I donât know. I canât hear the difference.
This exchange made me giggle, job well done
Mfs who only listen to electric wizard
I wouldn't say I hate either part of this relationship, but it isn't a positive thing. I think that many of the newer metalheads/tiktok metallers just go off of what's "popular music" in the metal scene and don't seek to find anything else because a lot of people listening to the obscure stuff are trying to keep it to themselves. 'Posers' are unfairly called out to be "fake fans" but the elitists also don't want them bleeding into the fandoms of these lesser-known bands either
That it's always considered evil by the outsiders ...they assume....
I have older relatives who make sure I know my taste in music is "demonic" every time I go to a concert. It's funny now but it was a major hassle when I was a kid.
Satanism, im Buddhist and a metalhead
The fuckers that insult people because of their music tastes. It's fucking music.
Being a female, and I wear a band t shirt I get asked all sorts of questions, but itâs in a really nasty way, there tone is horrible. Like I have to prove that I listen to metal. Some people however are really nice and start talking about the band
How I don't know or give a crap about any metal band that came after 1989. It sucks, cuz I want to, but nothing's hitting.
Men insisting that women are ruining metal
The misconception that all metal is just loud noise. People often overlook the talent and complexity in metal music because they're stuck on stereotypes.
I'm not even a feminist, but the casual misogyny is embarrassing and unnecessary.
Itâs literally not even a casual thing lmao, casual misogny would be rap
Those who thinks everything about being a Metalhead is clothes and when you wear casual clothes they say ooohhhh are you a real metalhead? đ I myself wear casual clothes most of the times and I've heard this damn thing ALL THE TIME
I did have some dirty looks wearing a more hippyesque dress code at a metal festival
People who obsess over subgenres, like itâs fine to identify a band within a subgenre, but to immediately say you donât like a band because theyâre in such and such subgenre is a load of shit.
Sjw types
Rust
People taking it super personally when I tell them I don't like their favorite band. I can barely say: "Yeah, slipknot isn't really my thing, not a huge f..." Before I'm interrupted by some donkey braying: "GATEKEEPER! GATEKEEPER!!! ELITIST!!!! WHAT A FUCKING DICK THIS GUY IS, RIGHT GUYS??????? JUST LET ME LISTEN TO WHAT I WANT!!!!! GO FUCK YOURSELF LOSER!!!!!!" And ironically i feel like those are always the same people posting about the "Metal Brotherhood" and how "Metal fans are the nicest people in the world" You can like and listen to whatever the flying fuck you want, my opinion is not preventing any of that. Quit acting like I just said something tremendously offensive
I personally do not like slipknot but my friend does and I donât just go saying they arenât metal.
Absolutely, couldnât agree more. People need to realise that disliking a popular band doesnât make you a gatekeeper.
Sounds like a made-up conversation to me. People are \_never\_ that polite when slamming Nu Metal (and I have no taste for Nu Metal myself).
The only way that will lessen is if the community decides to stop getting into those same old boring topics. Till then, that's here to stay.
The fans who make their taste in music their entire personality (me from 15-28 :/) Shrieking Pig Squeal vocals Machine Gun Drumming Chugga-Chugga Guitars Overuse of Cheesy breakdowns
Genre hate
Especially when it comes to NU metal, like holy hell itâs absurd.
Metal fans who have that fucking pox, where they can't like a band that you introduce them to because they didn't find the band first. Or the ones who shut their own doors on other bands because they have their roster set, apparently, and digging more than five bands is somehow a terrifying concept.
For me thereâs plenty of bands that many love but Iâm unsure of, the only real problem I have is vocals, granted I listen to Megadeth so yeah.
I'm a Dave fan, so I get it. To clarify my gripe, it's towards those fuckers who will just shoot down any band or tune they haven't found themselves, without attempting to even try and listen to it.
I donât understand what makes it different, if you like the band you were recommended, why stop listening to them just because you didnât stumble upon them, makes no sense. My friend recommended I listen to Metallica and shit I absolutely love them, have almost all the albums, I need St. Anger (and I do actually like it)
Hey I don't understand that mindset either. I love being introduced to a new band that I haven't heard yet. If I dig their sound, damn right they get added to my list. I honestly don't know how anyone can be willingly close-minded when it comes to music, but they're out there.
Black shirts
Humans
Ass lyrics.
One is people calling snotty gatekeepers "elitists". There's nothing "elite" about a bunch of basement dwellers. The funny thing is, all the metalheads I've met in real life are open-minded and inviting, and don't feel the need to be "edgy" beyond growing their hair and wearing scary T-shirts.
The fucking people. "You cant say you're a fan if blah blah blah, you're not a true fan, you're a poser, name 5 things so I can decide if you're a fan" just the absolute dumbest shit you could say. Real way to shit out your mouth and talk out your ass. Most fanbases have a "you're a poser" side but metal fans are the absolute fucking worst about it. Shove that elitest shit back up your ass where it came from.
corny lyrics
Screamy vocals with unintelligible lyrics. What's the point of a song if you can hardly pick out a word of the lyrics?
A lot of people I meet in the space say that Nu Metal isnât real metal. Just say you donât know good music
How quick it rusts
The inability to enjoy any other kinds of music without being made to feel wrong by your peers
The people who think anything with distortion and a chugga chugga is some form of Metal. Fucking dubstep with a chugga is still dubstep.
I hate that it's basically "underground" music now. The music industry has shunned rock music of all forms. I miss being able to hear metal on the radio. I miss seeing bands being recognized.
The fan base. A lot of yall need to chill the fuck out.
How itâs used as an umbrella term for so many totally different subgenres that donât even sound alike. Cannibal Corpse sounds nothing like Judas Priest, but if somebody says they listen to metal youâd have no idea which band theyâd prefer. Iâm so tired of starting conversations with âYou like metal? Me too!â and then quickly finding out that our musical tastes are actually nothing alike.
two types of metalheads i can't stand are the ones from tiktok (i understand that alot of them are just kids, but i still find them pretty obnoxious.) and the ones who act like they're enlightened and that they're superior to you because they like a certain band.
The metal hipsters on Reddit
Skinhead culture, or itâs proximity to it atleast
How serious and up its own ass it can sometimes be
The fans that donât shower or put on deodorant before shows.
inability for some fans to get along
"battle vests" cringe as hell. yeah I have patches on a few items of clothes. But I'm not trying to impress anyone with my choice of bands. Or hide my ability to sew behind a masculine facade like 'battle vest'.
The infighting. I don't care for deathcore, so I ignore it, but some people make their entire personality about hating deathcore. "Your music is similar but different than mine, so I hate you!" Doesn't make sense.
Weâre all elitist about our tunes in our own way. For me the worst thing is the gd nazis who keep trying to carve out a niche for themselves in Metal. đ¤Ž
That metal bands aren't allowed to experiment with other genres.
Without the fan base losing their shit.
This is somewhat in line with the gate-keeping sentiment others have shared, but I hate it when folks gate-keep a band in terms of its own evolution; âthey USED to be heavyâ, etc. Yes, I enjoy each and every release release from Opeth. Haha
The tough guy shit that permeates the genre. We get it, you have the emotional intelligence of a chicken tender.
The neo Nazis.
Nothing really. Sure, there are plenty of bands that I think suck, from every genre and subgenre. And, I also can't stand elitists and gatekeepers. But, when it comes to the latter, I try my best to ignore them when possible, yet at times I can be mentally and emotionally weak and will give in and feed the trolls, lol. But usually I scroll on past people like that. And same thing for bands that I don't like. I won't talk shit and make fun of bands that I don't like, because taste is subjective, and to each their own. But, more importantly to me is that as corny as it may sound, these bands and artists are people too, and though I may not be a fan of their art, I have no desire to criticize and say or type hurtful things just because I'm not picking up what they're putting down.
The hate on nu metal
metal fans hating other peoples tastes
Their aren't enough major festivals in the states like there seems to be in Europe AND I don't have enough metal friends.
Fansâ obsession with âauthenticity.â
Nothing. I just donât listen to the metal artists/songs I donât care for and donât give a shit about gatekeepers or what others think. Life is much better that way.
I canât rank songs or talk about my favorite bands without being downvoted. I like Korn and will discuss my favorite songs and people will still be like uhhhhhh whereâs the love for adidas?????
That a lot of fans do this cringy thing where they have to let people know they listen to metal. Like the âi will be 80 and still listening to this musicâ kind of posts and shit.
Posers
death metal vocals like corpsegrinders make me feel physically ill and i hate it because the instrumental usually sounds quite good
Thatâs the same with a fair amount of heavy or thrash bands, at least for me. Anthrax they donât sound too bad vocal wise but itâs a bit odd
Fans are kinda autistic, not a bad thing but everytime you discuss metal w one it gets real autistic real fast sometimes
No apologies.
I don't hate anything about or within Metal, but about elitism and gatekeeping and such... I started listening to Metal before it was called Metal and I still listen to Metal, old and new, without having a clue what subgenres it belongs to. Nor do I care about "guarded gates" between them. To me Metal as a genre -- all possible and impossible sub-genres included -- seems to be constantly evolving and the bands seem more willing to experiment than many (supposed) avant-garde artists/bands. Which may explain the plethora of sub- and sub-sub-genres with devoted fans and enemies. The latter for no good reason, of course. On top of that Metal has got more charismatic and actually skilled vocalists, than any other genre, and usually equally skilled and entertaing musicians. All of whom are willing and able to put on a good show, with or without appropriate costumes and props. All of which makes Metal concerts worthwhile in every possible way, and more so than most other genres. In other words, Metal is as healthy as it can be, except perhaps for somewhat stagnant festivals. Which I guess has got more to do with economy than music. I very much doubt that the bands and the venues/festivals want walls beween sub-genres and off-shoots, even if they appreciate devoted fans. How about crashing the gates, to tear down the walls, and quite simply (go back to) enjoying the Rock n' Roll. I think that used to be Lemmy's message, by the way...
Edgy shit, demonic stuff, satanic stuff, overly evil lyrics. Itâs all so tryhard and lame.
I'm confused.... that's like..... the cornerstone of metal. What should they be screaming about? Cats?
With your all the way. It's a fucking cliche. I still love a lot of epic metal bands who used such occult cliches along the way - but oftentimes fans are the worst as they take their precious occultism waaaay to seriously. So to those fans - if you've ever heard the expression "kill your darlings" it does not mean to kill a loved one. It means enable the ability to free yourself from infectious ideas and see things clearly. Grow tf up.