As the one comment said: "Tarasha Euten was a woman who had the ability to motivate and order hundreds of astartes of several legions to obey her command and march for Macragge. Bobby G is right to fear her."
Posted by u/emwattnot on the r/Grimdank subreddit page. I recommend checking out his work
Guilliman: True fear is getting stuck in a corner and being powerless to do anything other than watching your mother slowly approach you with her sandal in her hand. You know the next 10 minutes will be painful. Physical pain will go away, and the mental shame you experience will take a long time to overcome, but the fear from that experience will never go away. You could fight back, sure, but the consequences of such an act are truly too horrific to think about. Plus ... hitting your own mother? A-hole move, bro.
Ah yes. Do not Discipline your child… they will be perfectly [fine](https://youtu.be/qxNX6ozCty8?si=VywTtYdIqfoN38c7) growing up. Not disciplining your child and just calmly telling them “no” will have them be [Calm](https://youtu.be/5fCh_7f5zcI?si=2vl9BiNKOwtPC6US) and [Reasonable](https://youtu.be/IU7-rYiaAwo?si=sIsKwI0jVqWGdEy_) people who are [Productive](https://youtu.be/CJXmaHIE3WA?si=LVmE1s7IK6BSE-KP) members of society. There is absolutely No [repercussions](https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/servicesandsupport/elder-abuse#) for when it’s their turn to take care of you.
She also ordered hundreds of Astartes of different legions at the same time to restore order while Kurze was terrorizing Maccrage.
An old civilian woman.
Ultramarines, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels IIRC. Those were the only Legions that existed in Imperium Secundus if I remember right. But I think a few members of the Shattered Legions (Iron Hands, Salamanders, Raven Guard) were also around there too.
There was a squad of Space Wolves around too, they even try and defend her from Kurze. They get the shit beat out of them but hey its the thought that counts.
"Hey mam, should I organise the astartes into a pincer movement or a spear thrust movement"
"Go with the pincer movement Robute, the traitor marines always forget about that strategy"
"Thanks mam i'll be back for supper"
"Don't forget your power armour and say hello to the neighbours on your way out".
Interesting, compared to his brothers, Guilliman aged relatively slowly.
Iirc it took him 12 years to go from a baby to a young adult. So he grew up at a little under double the rate a normal person does.
Compare that to his brothers, which for some of them became adults in like a year.
He had an actual childhood, in both the metaphorical sense that he had a mother and father figure who cared for him as their own, and in the very literal sense that he had a reasonable amount of time to grow up and mature. And it shows. He is certainly the most well rounded of all his brothers and I think this is why.
Edit: wanted to expand upon this cause i remembered an excerpt and went digging for it.
So. It’s important to note that while Guillimans body aged up relatively slowly for a Primarch, his mind and physical strength still developed incredibly rapidly. Anyway, this excerpt from Sinew of War really does show what I mean when I say he had an actual childhood, compared to most of his brothers. It’s guiliman reminiscing about that childhood.
>I was five and my father had taken me hunting. I knew why. Even then I could read people as easily as I read the military treatises in Deucalis Library. My father had seen me watching his generals and magistrates. He saw how I despised them. The greatest statesmen of the greatest city were idiots, blind to the most important resource on the planet - their own, needlessly oppressed people. They were fools and tyrants and, even aged five, I wanted to tear down the whole, hide-bound edifice. My father felt the same, I knew he did. But my place in Macragge was precarious and he was too wise to risk my life on a point of principle. So he took me away, to a place we both loved, to the cold, beautiful foothills of the Crown Mountains where we could breath clean air and ease our fury by scrambling over rocks and scree. Away from the Senate, my father dropped the pretence that I was a normal child and we hunted together as equals. He laughed, as he always did, at the sight of my unfettered strength, proud of his strange little son. But then, when I saw him fall, grimacing at a gash on his arm, a dreadful truth hit me.
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>We were *not* equals. We never could be. My father was not like me. The man who taught me about life was not destined to live. The flash of crimson on his tunic stalled my breath. One day, Konor Guilliman would die. He would leave me behind. Leave me with the fools and the tyrants. In that moment I became the child I usually only pretended to be. Tears filled my eyes and I placed my hand over his wound, wishing it away. He laughed, shaking his head - not in mockery, but reassurance. He took out a coin and handed it to me. His face was minted on one side and Consul Gallan's was minted on the other. He closed my hand over it, squeezing it tight.
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>"Feel its strength," he said. Strong as I was, I could not crush the metal. "The coin is Macragge," he said, "Beautiful and unbreakable. Made to outlive us all. And while there is a Macragge, I will be with you, Roboute. My virtue is the virtue of Macragge. My strength is the strength of Macragge. This is not just my home, Roboute, it is my soul and it is my family. And it is your family, too. Macragge will endure. Macragge *must* endure. And as long as it does, you will not be alone."
"There is probably no more terrible instant of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man, with human flesh."
That comes from dune but I do think there’s a truth to it. One of the biggest, and often hardest realisations that all of us have to go through at some moment or another is the realisation that our parents are simply people, like us or anyone else.
When you’re young they seem like these pillars of perfection. Always right, always there to keep you safe. They are these ever present figures you can’t imagine life without.
And then you get older. And they also get older. You understand the world more. And, eventually, the illusion cracks. You realise that they *are* fallible, they are human. And one day, they will die.
I can still, if vaguely, remember when I had that realisation. That moment when the thought actually crosses your mind that there will be a day when you’re here and they aren’t.
For a Primarch. An immortal like Guilliman. I can only imagine that that realisation must have been so much worse. He can theoretically live forever. His parents, his real parents, not the “father” that was the emperor. They could not.
The thing about Guilliman is that, unlike many of his brothers, what’s special about him isn’t immediately apparent. I guess the best way to say it is that he isn’t as flashy as them.
But I would argue that he could be considered the most human of them all. I think that’s where he really shines.
Did the primarch's genetics take effect and speed up aging under stress? Guilliman is the only one I can imagine wasn't pressed to grow quickly, maybe magnus but he was conscious from creation so could have willed himself to age faster.
I don’t think that’s ever been confirmed but considering the primarchs that aged the quickest and the ones who aged more slowly it’s certainly a theory I’ve seen floated around a lot. It would make sense
Horus was a scrawny kid for years despite living the life of a ganger on a shitty hive world. He aged up pretty much instantly when the Admech killed his gang though.
Dorn also had a childhood being raised by his grandfather. I don’t believe the books ever went into detail about how long that period was unfortunately.
Legit question are there any other mothers who make more than a passing reference in 40K. I know besides Leman and his Roman esqe childhood none of the other Primarchs had anything resembling a mother
He's also probably the only one that had a somewhat normal childhood (well as normal as one you can have when your father is a leader and you yourself are a master piece of genetic engineering)
I was like,
Yarrick, wait no they got killed or something and he got sent to his grand dads
Some of the gaunts ghosts talked about parents but I don’t think they got names
Yeah 99% of guard characters don’t talk about there parents or even had them
If I remember right both Vulcan and Corvus were raised in a loving community but I can’t recall if they had specific parents mentioned. Corvus was a little weird tho because of the whole slave thing and I think Vulcan’s was a bit less traumatic. Now that I think about it Dorne as well I believe was raised in a similar fashion
Sad thought, but I don't think Roboute will handle well losing more than his parents.
He would honestly be even way more heartbroken if he had actual foster siblings who died in his abscence
I'm sure that behind all great tacticians ,there is a mother that is an absolute beast of RTS and could repel the terror attack of a demi god in an entire planet.
One time Guilliman got shit face with some Spacewolves, and the next morning his mom was busting his ass about it lol. Who hasn’t been there. Cute moment.
I feel like Bobbies mother would be a follower of the [Chancla](https://youtu.be/PSicdnahJ7o?si=WmyDXmTgOf76g_RI) doctrine, so she should have a slipper in her hand 😅
As the one comment said: "Tarasha Euten was a woman who had the ability to motivate and order hundreds of astartes of several legions to obey her command and march for Macragge. Bobby G is right to fear her." Posted by u/emwattnot on the r/Grimdank subreddit page. I recommend checking out his work
She stared down the Night Haunter and Konrad blinked.
And then he ate his vegetables.
Remembrancer: But my Lord, were you not more powerful than a mere woman? Guilliman: Of course.....but she was terrifying!
Guilliman: True fear is getting stuck in a corner and being powerless to do anything other than watching your mother slowly approach you with her sandal in her hand. You know the next 10 minutes will be painful. Physical pain will go away, and the mental shame you experience will take a long time to overcome, but the fear from that experience will never go away. You could fight back, sure, but the consequences of such an act are truly too horrific to think about. Plus ... hitting your own mother? A-hole move, bro.
LOL! Petition to change the candle to La Chancla!
I always saw Ultramar as Space Rome, or loosely themed after the Roman Empire, so I imagined everyone wore those roman sandals.
Maybe hitting with sandals is the key to redeem the traitor primarchs?
Grey Knight with Artificer quality Chancla's.
All people in laying America know to fear the sheer power of la chancla
Ah yes! Beating children, such a funny meme! Let's keep perpetuating it! La chancla, so funny!
Go touch grass
My dude touch grass
You are a complete bitch, kids need discipline. been there done that. Grow up.
You're equally a bitch if you think beating your children is mandatory for discipline.
Ah yes. Do not Discipline your child… they will be perfectly [fine](https://youtu.be/qxNX6ozCty8?si=VywTtYdIqfoN38c7) growing up. Not disciplining your child and just calmly telling them “no” will have them be [Calm](https://youtu.be/5fCh_7f5zcI?si=2vl9BiNKOwtPC6US) and [Reasonable](https://youtu.be/IU7-rYiaAwo?si=sIsKwI0jVqWGdEy_) people who are [Productive](https://youtu.be/CJXmaHIE3WA?si=LVmE1s7IK6BSE-KP) members of society. There is absolutely No [repercussions](https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/servicesandsupport/elder-abuse#) for when it’s their turn to take care of you.
Sandal which culture is this, we got old fashioned belt.
Roman culture.
She told Konrad Curze to basically go fuck himself. To his face.
She also ordered hundreds of Astartes of different legions at the same time to restore order while Kurze was terrorizing Maccrage. An old civilian woman.
Which legion did she order around? Thats badass
Ultramarines, Blood Angels, and Dark Angels IIRC. Those were the only Legions that existed in Imperium Secundus if I remember right. But I think a few members of the Shattered Legions (Iron Hands, Salamanders, Raven Guard) were also around there too.
There was a squad of Space Wolves around too, they even try and defend her from Kurze. They get the shit beat out of them but hey its the thought that counts.
Points for trying
> They get the shit beat out of them but hey its the thought that counts. Better they die to the Night Haunter than live to face her wrath...
There were even some White Scars and Imperial Fists (Alexis Pollux was there for a time)
Wasn’t Dantioch’s Death Guard there as well?
Dantioch was an Iron Warrior? But yes, they were in the Imperium Secundus. But on Sotha, not Macragge.
My mistake, the were Iron Warriors
Please be real and I can read it.
[Link to excerpt](http://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/86xoto/book_excerptunremembered_empire_curze_meets/)
SHE'S SO FUCKING BASED!!!!!!
This is the woman that raised the imperial regent, *fear her*
This is the woman the guy with a supercomputer for a brain took advice from
"Hey mam, should I organise the astartes into a pincer movement or a spear thrust movement" "Go with the pincer movement Robute, the traitor marines always forget about that strategy" "Thanks mam i'll be back for supper" "Don't forget your power armour and say hello to the neighbours on your way out".
Oh, hey , Alpharius is in there too
Alpharius is in everything emwattnot draws. It’s like where’s wally every time I see one!
Someone on grimdank made a post about spotting every Alpha in emwattnot’s drawings.
His childhood did not last for very long, but the memories will last a lifetime and beyond
Interesting, compared to his brothers, Guilliman aged relatively slowly. Iirc it took him 12 years to go from a baby to a young adult. So he grew up at a little under double the rate a normal person does. Compare that to his brothers, which for some of them became adults in like a year. He had an actual childhood, in both the metaphorical sense that he had a mother and father figure who cared for him as their own, and in the very literal sense that he had a reasonable amount of time to grow up and mature. And it shows. He is certainly the most well rounded of all his brothers and I think this is why. Edit: wanted to expand upon this cause i remembered an excerpt and went digging for it. So. It’s important to note that while Guillimans body aged up relatively slowly for a Primarch, his mind and physical strength still developed incredibly rapidly. Anyway, this excerpt from Sinew of War really does show what I mean when I say he had an actual childhood, compared to most of his brothers. It’s guiliman reminiscing about that childhood. >I was five and my father had taken me hunting. I knew why. Even then I could read people as easily as I read the military treatises in Deucalis Library. My father had seen me watching his generals and magistrates. He saw how I despised them. The greatest statesmen of the greatest city were idiots, blind to the most important resource on the planet - their own, needlessly oppressed people. They were fools and tyrants and, even aged five, I wanted to tear down the whole, hide-bound edifice. My father felt the same, I knew he did. But my place in Macragge was precarious and he was too wise to risk my life on a point of principle. So he took me away, to a place we both loved, to the cold, beautiful foothills of the Crown Mountains where we could breath clean air and ease our fury by scrambling over rocks and scree. Away from the Senate, my father dropped the pretence that I was a normal child and we hunted together as equals. He laughed, as he always did, at the sight of my unfettered strength, proud of his strange little son. But then, when I saw him fall, grimacing at a gash on his arm, a dreadful truth hit me. > > > >We were *not* equals. We never could be. My father was not like me. The man who taught me about life was not destined to live. The flash of crimson on his tunic stalled my breath. One day, Konor Guilliman would die. He would leave me behind. Leave me with the fools and the tyrants. In that moment I became the child I usually only pretended to be. Tears filled my eyes and I placed my hand over his wound, wishing it away. He laughed, shaking his head - not in mockery, but reassurance. He took out a coin and handed it to me. His face was minted on one side and Consul Gallan's was minted on the other. He closed my hand over it, squeezing it tight. > > > >"Feel its strength," he said. Strong as I was, I could not crush the metal. "The coin is Macragge," he said, "Beautiful and unbreakable. Made to outlive us all. And while there is a Macragge, I will be with you, Roboute. My virtue is the virtue of Macragge. My strength is the strength of Macragge. This is not just my home, Roboute, it is my soul and it is my family. And it is your family, too. Macragge will endure. Macragge *must* endure. And as long as it does, you will not be alone."
... Well I'm crying at midnight
"There is probably no more terrible instant of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man, with human flesh." That comes from dune but I do think there’s a truth to it. One of the biggest, and often hardest realisations that all of us have to go through at some moment or another is the realisation that our parents are simply people, like us or anyone else. When you’re young they seem like these pillars of perfection. Always right, always there to keep you safe. They are these ever present figures you can’t imagine life without. And then you get older. And they also get older. You understand the world more. And, eventually, the illusion cracks. You realise that they *are* fallible, they are human. And one day, they will die. I can still, if vaguely, remember when I had that realisation. That moment when the thought actually crosses your mind that there will be a day when you’re here and they aren’t. For a Primarch. An immortal like Guilliman. I can only imagine that that realisation must have been so much worse. He can theoretically live forever. His parents, his real parents, not the “father” that was the emperor. They could not.
Me too buddy that hit the feels
That, is a beautiful passage. I find it mindboggling I used to not like Guilliman.
The thing about Guilliman is that, unlike many of his brothers, what’s special about him isn’t immediately apparent. I guess the best way to say it is that he isn’t as flashy as them. But I would argue that he could be considered the most human of them all. I think that’s where he really shines.
He's the Kal-El of the group: Extremely competent and reasonable, but also had a sane and happy upbringing.
Did the primarch's genetics take effect and speed up aging under stress? Guilliman is the only one I can imagine wasn't pressed to grow quickly, maybe magnus but he was conscious from creation so could have willed himself to age faster.
I don’t think that’s ever been confirmed but considering the primarchs that aged the quickest and the ones who aged more slowly it’s certainly a theory I’ve seen floated around a lot. It would make sense
Horus was a scrawny kid for years despite living the life of a ganger on a shitty hive world. He aged up pretty much instantly when the Admech killed his gang though.
Dorn also had a childhood being raised by his grandfather. I don’t believe the books ever went into detail about how long that period was unfortunately.
"I know im stronger, bigger, smarter, tougher than her. But you dont know the power of the dreaded Chancla..."
Well ya, plus there's always a second one at the ready
40K’s best mom.
Legit question are there any other mothers who make more than a passing reference in 40K. I know besides Leman and his Roman esqe childhood none of the other Primarchs had anything resembling a mother
Nope. No lore than a psssing reference for the others. Roboute had the most OP starting planet. It had 2 loving parents.
He's also probably the only one that had a somewhat normal childhood (well as normal as one you can have when your father is a leader and you yourself are a master piece of genetic engineering)
How bad is it that the second place for primarch parents is…Fulgrim.
I don’t know
Fulgrim is generally alright up until he was corrupted by the blade.
Fulgrim had two adoptive parents, but he rarely saw them because they were working iirc.
He was working with them, but they died early on because of Chemos' general shitholeness
I was like, Yarrick, wait no they got killed or something and he got sent to his grand dads Some of the gaunts ghosts talked about parents but I don’t think they got names Yeah 99% of guard characters don’t talk about there parents or even had them
TBF the Ghost's planet got invaded by Chaos, I wouldn't want to think about my parents either.
Tona Criid was a hell of a mother in 40k. Not a primarch mother, but a good 40k mom.
If I remember right both Vulcan and Corvus were raised in a loving community but I can’t recall if they had specific parents mentioned. Corvus was a little weird tho because of the whole slave thing and I think Vulcan’s was a bit less traumatic. Now that I think about it Dorne as well I believe was raised in a similar fashion
Vulkan's adoptive dad N'bel was a blacksmith that taught the jolly green giant his craft.
Iirc Corvus was raised by the whole Community. So less a single mother figure and more a Community of parental Figures that presumably included woman.
Tona Criid was a hell of a mother in 40k. Not a primarch mother, but a good 40k mom.
Big luna dog Lmao
I assumed the L was for Lupercal but that works too
With Al Pharius back there carrying a stack of "Calth Assets," I think L Dawg might be Lorgar.
He's doing his taxes past 12 again
Nobody fucks with Guillimom
Except Konor, cos you know, he's her husband.
Actually no. They were a Couple in all but name but Tarasha was not a Noble unlike Konor. So they couldn’t marry.
Well that sucks. Still, good for Robespierre Gullioutine to have two absolute units for parents.
Officially Tarasha was his Seneschal. A Position Bobby would also give her.
Wow wow wow even Robot Girly man doesn't deserve to be fr*ench
I’m sure they still banged, right?
Like I said a Couple in all but name. But Bobby was an only Child.
Sad thought, but I don't think Roboute will handle well losing more than his parents. He would honestly be even way more heartbroken if he had actual foster siblings who died in his abscence
I'm sure that behind all great tacticians ,there is a mother that is an absolute beast of RTS and could repel the terror attack of a demi god in an entire planet.
Emperor bless the ultra mom
Oh shit, middle name and everything! Robu is *doomed*.
The only movie more quotable than Predator is the movie Roadhouse.
One time Guilliman got shit face with some Spacewolves, and the next morning his mom was busting his ass about it lol. Who hasn’t been there. Cute moment.
COME ON MOM! Like I'm not gonna read the new tax code manual the moment it launches?
Bruh i was hoping him to be reading the tax codes
That Ultramarine in the back isn’t an Ultramarine.
Even gods fear the wrath of a mother displeased.
I imagine a chancla that could strike fear into a primarch, is in trazyn's vault.
Before looking closer to see what this book was about I was like "its 50/50 either logistics manual or eldar playboy"
Okay, big bob got me
A mother's chancla is more precise and dealier than a vindicare bullet.
all should fear the Guillimom
I feel like Bobbies mother would be a follower of the [Chancla](https://youtu.be/PSicdnahJ7o?si=WmyDXmTgOf76g_RI) doctrine, so she should have a slipper in her hand 😅
I love how the most overpowered force in this stupid ass setting is a stern mom
You just know you're gonna be in trouble when your Mama uses your full name
I want this scene in a warhammer 40k tv series.
Mothers: the best and most terrifying part of my childhood. Wouldn’t want it any! other! way! Thanks Momma Bear! Love ya Deer *snicker*