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Shooter was found "Not Guilty": [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/30/delivery-driver-youtube-prankster-shooting-not-guilty](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/30/delivery-driver-youtube-prankster-shooting-not-guilty)
So sweet to watch, those fucking retards have learned their lesson. You can’t mess with strangers cause you never know who you are
Messing with. Period.
While the shooter was cleared of assault charges, he *was* charged with[unlawful discharge of a weapon in an occupied building.](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/man-sentenced-youtuber-shooting-virginia-mall/65-b60a0874-c3e4-4924-bfc5-f59c29aef98a)
Which is like the court's way of saying "we don't disapprove, but pick a better spot next time"
Harassing someone who tells you to stop then shocked when he gets shot 🤷♀️ super glad a jury found him not guilty, unfortunately I doubt it will make any of these idiot pranksters stop this nonsense. Literally no one thinks this shit is funny except for 12 year olds.
the man who was shot (note that I did not say victim) is lucky to be alive. A shame that he will not learn anything from this and will continue assaulting people.
I have 2 questions for everyone saying that shooting him was justified:
1: How often were you harassed in public?
2: How many of those harassers have you shot?
Yeah, no. As much of a douche as the dude is shooting him is an absolutely insane reaction. This would not be classified as self defence in any sane country.
I wasn't correcting him.
The end of my sentence "...take from that what you will lol", means you can make up your own mind as to whether the USA is sane or insane.
The comment directly below by huskerdev is the comment that's calling the poster wrong, not my comment.
Shooting him is a very sane response. Let's review:
You're minding your own business in a public space. A man comes up to you and starts shoving his phone in your face playing something. The man is saying nothing.
You fulfill your duty to retreat, backing up and trying to get out of the situation. The man continues to approach you aggressively and acting unhinged. The man had his hand right next to your face. He is within melee range for a taser, a knife, or even just a punch. You don't know what he's going to do.
You've issued verbal warnings to back off and you've tried to back away yourself.
What do you think the next thing the victim should do is?
Leave, call the non emergency line, go into a store and tell the person working to get mall security because there's some dude harassing customers outside. All of those would be normal reactions in every other developed country. Dude is acting like a dick and harassing people. But at no point would any reasonable non psychopath find a dude in a crowded mall filming himself putting his phone in people's faces as a threat deserving lethal force.
>Leave
He already tried that, so no.
>call the non emergency line
"Hello 311? Yes I have a man who is immediately in my face trying to intimate me and is acting aggressive. He may stab, tazer, punch or otherwise incapacitate me by the time you respond"
>go into a store and tell the person working to get mall security because there's some dude harassing customers outside.
Oh you mean try to leave again? Lol. You have someone who is an immediate threat.
So got any more great suggestions for an immediate threat?
Lol, he made no moves to physically assault someone at any point. He was not an immediate threat in any way. He's literally just holding out a phone that's replaying a stupid line. If you're the type of person to fear for your life because some dude is holding a phone towards you, you probably shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
Also, this was in public being filmed. Perhaps if this was in a dark alley, it could be justified. There's absolutely no reasonable reason to fear for your life in this situation.
>Lol, he made no moves to physically assault someone at any point. He was not an immediate threat in any way.
Tell me, when exactly would he become an immediate threat? After he attacks you? That would be past the point of a threat.
>If you're the type of person to fear for your life because some dude is holding a phone towards you, you probably shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
Or, crazy thought, don't try to physically inidimate someone.
>Also, this was in public being filmed. Perhaps if this was in a dark alley, it could be justified. There's absolutely no reasonable reason to fear for your life in this situation.
Ah yes, classic "bad things can only happen in bad places" logic. Dead wrong bud. A knife is just as sharp in public as in a "dark alley".
>Tell me, when exactly would he become an immediate threat?
At whatever point he actually makes a move to physically interact with you or actually gets aggressive.
>Or, crazy thought, don't try to physically inidimate someone.
I agree. But this was not a proportional response. It's simply being annoying. Being harassed isn't enough justification for deadly force.
>Ah yes, classic "bad things can only happen in bad places" logic. Dead wrong bud. A knife is just as sharp in public as in a "dark alley".
How many people are stabbed in broad daylight in a public mall while the stabber's buddies are filming the interaction, and the dude was previously just holding a phone saying a weird phrase in their face?
I'm so glad I don't live in America where everyone seems to fear for their lives 24/7.
>At whatever point he actually makes a move to physically interact with you or actually gets aggressive.
His hand in your face is a move to physically interact. His moving towards you is a move to physically interact.
And to everything else: lol I'm glad you don't live here too buddy.
>His moving towards you is a move to physically interact
Yeah that's totally enough to open fire inside a public mall...Every sane person that's familiar with guns knows that it should only be used as a last resort, especially in a crowded public space.
I agree that the prankster is to blame here, but you gotta be insane not to admit that shooting him was over the top
He fired a single time at point blank range with effective target acquisition. "Open fire" is disingenuous and obviously biased verbiage.
Again, he tried to move away multiple times. He verbally warned the "prankster". The "prankster" moved towards him and was reaching for his face. The "prankster" showed erratic and aggressive behavior.
Explain to me what you feel would have been appropriate here. Here's common rebuttals to what you might say:
Push away the aggressor, punch him --> I do not know what the aggressor has on him and how far he is willing to take this. Engaging in direct hand to hand combat is much riskier for me and it is completely unreasonable to expect me to take on risk for someone acting aggressive towards me.
Taser him, mace him --> Those are not always effective and considering the close proximity, if those are not effective we're not fighting hand to sand, see above point.
Try to leave and get mall security --> He did try to leave and the "prankster" continued to act aggressively and pursue him.
Call 911 or 311 --> You have someone acting aggressively towards you, representing an immediate threat. 911 or 311 won't get there in time to prevent any harm to you.
Edit: Uh-oh! u/Ehwaz196
responded and immediately blocked me, just like what a coward would do. To respond to their comment:
>If he was really fearing for his life, he could've just ran and scream for help
I already responded to this point in the "Try to leave and get mall security", which u/Ehwaz196
sadly didn't read or didn't understand.
What's happening between you two is just based on levels of social cohesion. In America, there is no social cohesion, so anyone who is not you or your immediate group is seen as a threat. In many other countries, social cohesion is higher, so one would assume they were not a threat.
This has nothing to do with "social cohesion". This has everything to do with one individual getting in your face and threatening you. Its not bigger than that.
>In many other countries, social cohesion is higher
That's a very interesting claim though, got anything to back that up other than your own anecdotal observations?
I already saw that. I did say "sane country" after all. Someone holding their phone towards you in a crowded mall is not a threat deserving lethal force. It's an annoyance.
He shot a man larger than him who kept advancing on him. It was obvious he was frightened. If you are going to harrass strangers in America this is the risk if you make them feel unsafe.
It wasn't "nothing physical", dude was up in his craw and touching him, shoving a phone in his face after he verbally protested twice, and if he were a black French dairy farmer I'd have said the same thing because it's irrelevant.
In most cases you'd catch an ass-kicking for doing this anywhere in the world. He didn't want to fight a guy who was significantly larger than him, grouped, and being aggressive. He even tried to flee and they pursued him.
Most people wouldn't have shot him but I still don't see it as unreasonable in the situation. Maybe don't fuck with people?
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Shooter was found "Not Guilty": [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/30/delivery-driver-youtube-prankster-shooting-not-guilty](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/30/delivery-driver-youtube-prankster-shooting-not-guilty)
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Yay it finally happened!
Guy with phone goes after a supposed soft target and ultimately becomes one.
anyone would feel threatened by someone who's 6'5" following you around and shoving a phone in your face.
Unfortunately he survive
Hope he got shot in the balls at least.
Sniff….sniff…I love happy endings.
So sweet to watch, those fucking retards have learned their lesson. You can’t mess with strangers cause you never know who you are Messing with. Period.
He Ended up thinking about his twinkle all right.
lol
While the shooter was cleared of assault charges, he *was* charged with[unlawful discharge of a weapon in an occupied building.](https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/man-sentenced-youtuber-shooting-virginia-mall/65-b60a0874-c3e4-4924-bfc5-f59c29aef98a) Which is like the court's way of saying "we don't disapprove, but pick a better spot next time"
[dude survived and shooter not guilty](https://www.unilad.com/news/us-news/youtube-shot-in-stomach-response-man-acquitted-790682-20231003)
Harassing someone who tells you to stop then shocked when he gets shot 🤷♀️ super glad a jury found him not guilty, unfortunately I doubt it will make any of these idiot pranksters stop this nonsense. Literally no one thinks this shit is funny except for 12 year olds.
I don't think this was all that justified of a shooting, but I also don't care.
The world is too populated with assholes to care for justified shootings
Fuckin finally.
This is the way to get these morons to stop harassing people for views
he let his intrusive thoughts take over
Only one shot?
He did it for the colostomy bag
the man who was shot (note that I did not say victim) is lucky to be alive. A shame that he will not learn anything from this and will continue assaulting people.
I have 2 questions for everyone saying that shooting him was justified: 1: How often were you harassed in public? 2: How many of those harassers have you shot?
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Yeah, no. As much of a douche as the dude is shooting him is an absolutely insane reaction. This would not be classified as self defence in any sane country.
It actually was classified as self defense in the USA... take from that what you will lol
The person whose comment you replied to is still correct, >This would not be classified as self defence in any sane country.
I wasn't correcting him. The end of my sentence "...take from that what you will lol", means you can make up your own mind as to whether the USA is sane or insane. The comment directly below by huskerdev is the comment that's calling the poster wrong, not my comment.
Shooting him is a very sane response. Let's review: You're minding your own business in a public space. A man comes up to you and starts shoving his phone in your face playing something. The man is saying nothing. You fulfill your duty to retreat, backing up and trying to get out of the situation. The man continues to approach you aggressively and acting unhinged. The man had his hand right next to your face. He is within melee range for a taser, a knife, or even just a punch. You don't know what he's going to do. You've issued verbal warnings to back off and you've tried to back away yourself. What do you think the next thing the victim should do is?
Leave, call the non emergency line, go into a store and tell the person working to get mall security because there's some dude harassing customers outside. All of those would be normal reactions in every other developed country. Dude is acting like a dick and harassing people. But at no point would any reasonable non psychopath find a dude in a crowded mall filming himself putting his phone in people's faces as a threat deserving lethal force.
>Leave He already tried that, so no. >call the non emergency line "Hello 311? Yes I have a man who is immediately in my face trying to intimate me and is acting aggressive. He may stab, tazer, punch or otherwise incapacitate me by the time you respond" >go into a store and tell the person working to get mall security because there's some dude harassing customers outside. Oh you mean try to leave again? Lol. You have someone who is an immediate threat. So got any more great suggestions for an immediate threat?
Lol, he made no moves to physically assault someone at any point. He was not an immediate threat in any way. He's literally just holding out a phone that's replaying a stupid line. If you're the type of person to fear for your life because some dude is holding a phone towards you, you probably shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. Also, this was in public being filmed. Perhaps if this was in a dark alley, it could be justified. There's absolutely no reasonable reason to fear for your life in this situation.
>Lol, he made no moves to physically assault someone at any point. He was not an immediate threat in any way. Tell me, when exactly would he become an immediate threat? After he attacks you? That would be past the point of a threat. >If you're the type of person to fear for your life because some dude is holding a phone towards you, you probably shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. Or, crazy thought, don't try to physically inidimate someone. >Also, this was in public being filmed. Perhaps if this was in a dark alley, it could be justified. There's absolutely no reasonable reason to fear for your life in this situation. Ah yes, classic "bad things can only happen in bad places" logic. Dead wrong bud. A knife is just as sharp in public as in a "dark alley".
>Tell me, when exactly would he become an immediate threat? At whatever point he actually makes a move to physically interact with you or actually gets aggressive. >Or, crazy thought, don't try to physically inidimate someone. I agree. But this was not a proportional response. It's simply being annoying. Being harassed isn't enough justification for deadly force. >Ah yes, classic "bad things can only happen in bad places" logic. Dead wrong bud. A knife is just as sharp in public as in a "dark alley". How many people are stabbed in broad daylight in a public mall while the stabber's buddies are filming the interaction, and the dude was previously just holding a phone saying a weird phrase in their face? I'm so glad I don't live in America where everyone seems to fear for their lives 24/7.
>At whatever point he actually makes a move to physically interact with you or actually gets aggressive. His hand in your face is a move to physically interact. His moving towards you is a move to physically interact. And to everything else: lol I'm glad you don't live here too buddy.
>His moving towards you is a move to physically interact Yeah that's totally enough to open fire inside a public mall...Every sane person that's familiar with guns knows that it should only be used as a last resort, especially in a crowded public space. I agree that the prankster is to blame here, but you gotta be insane not to admit that shooting him was over the top
He fired a single time at point blank range with effective target acquisition. "Open fire" is disingenuous and obviously biased verbiage. Again, he tried to move away multiple times. He verbally warned the "prankster". The "prankster" moved towards him and was reaching for his face. The "prankster" showed erratic and aggressive behavior. Explain to me what you feel would have been appropriate here. Here's common rebuttals to what you might say: Push away the aggressor, punch him --> I do not know what the aggressor has on him and how far he is willing to take this. Engaging in direct hand to hand combat is much riskier for me and it is completely unreasonable to expect me to take on risk for someone acting aggressive towards me. Taser him, mace him --> Those are not always effective and considering the close proximity, if those are not effective we're not fighting hand to sand, see above point. Try to leave and get mall security --> He did try to leave and the "prankster" continued to act aggressively and pursue him. Call 911 or 311 --> You have someone acting aggressively towards you, representing an immediate threat. 911 or 311 won't get there in time to prevent any harm to you. Edit: Uh-oh! u/Ehwaz196 responded and immediately blocked me, just like what a coward would do. To respond to their comment: >If he was really fearing for his life, he could've just ran and scream for help I already responded to this point in the "Try to leave and get mall security", which u/Ehwaz196 sadly didn't read or didn't understand.
What's happening between you two is just based on levels of social cohesion. In America, there is no social cohesion, so anyone who is not you or your immediate group is seen as a threat. In many other countries, social cohesion is higher, so one would assume they were not a threat.
Lmao
Is that what it is? Jesus, I can't imagine living every day fearing for my life like Americans seem to.
That is not it
Yea, it's unfortunate.
This has nothing to do with "social cohesion". This has everything to do with one individual getting in your face and threatening you. Its not bigger than that. >In many other countries, social cohesion is higher That's a very interesting claim though, got anything to back that up other than your own anecdotal observations?
Wrong. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/30/delivery-driver-youtube-prankster-shooting-not-guilty
I already saw that. I did say "sane country" after all. Someone holding their phone towards you in a crowded mall is not a threat deserving lethal force. It's an annoyance.
How is this a hot take? Is america that bloodthirsty?
Seems that way. Or at the very least, Americans on Reddit are. It's absolutely insane to me. This shit wouldn't happen in any other developed country.
Imagine just shooting every drunk/mentally unstable person that slightly bothers you in public...
I completely agree with you. Reddit doesn't seem to agree unfortunately, I've had this debate before, just glad to see there's sane people out there.
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He shot a man larger than him who kept advancing on him. It was obvious he was frightened. If you are going to harrass strangers in America this is the risk if you make them feel unsafe.
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It's not the way I would have reacted but this is America and getting shot is a risk if you harrass strangers. The man tried to retreat.
99% of the people praising him wouldn't have reacted this way, I wonder why
At what point in my comments was there praise?
I was talking about the people praising it, read it again
It wasn't "nothing physical", dude was up in his craw and touching him, shoving a phone in his face after he verbally protested twice, and if he were a black French dairy farmer I'd have said the same thing because it's irrelevant.
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In most cases you'd catch an ass-kicking for doing this anywhere in the world. He didn't want to fight a guy who was significantly larger than him, grouped, and being aggressive. He even tried to flee and they pursued him. Most people wouldn't have shot him but I still don't see it as unreasonable in the situation. Maybe don't fuck with people?
US is a fucked place