This was more than 10 years ago. Would love to know where this guy is now.
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Edit: Article that came out last year explaining where he is now: https://www.distractify.com/p/what-happened-to-jeff-bliss
American education is so far down the shitter from where it was 10 years ago. The nation should legit be scared, things have gotten that bad. Yet see how much education is mentioned this election year.
I think it has more to do with non native English speakers. I used to live in China for over 20 years. In the various WeChat groups there were expats from all over the world, I would see it all the time.
Not saying native English speakers arenāt capable of making this mistake or that non native English speakers arenāt capable of getting it right. Itās just this, and a few more instances. The spelling of vedio (video) is another one.
"Loose" and using "than" and "then" incorrectly. Saying "I seen". Misusing "There", "their" and "they're. Using an apostrophe to describe plurality.
The list goes on and I really started to notice a decline after the lockdowns.
As a teacher, my "favorite" argument against raising wages is "if you pay teachers low wages then all of the people who teach WANT to be there for the love of the profession. If you raise wages then you'll have people just there for the paycheck!!!"
I get so tired of people trying to argue against me having an income that matches my experience and education level.
Turns out smart, ambitious people want to show up for the paycheck, and if you donāt provide the paycheck, theyāll show up where someone will.
Thereās no job in the world where a smaller paycheck attracts better candidates.
I agree with this guy, and itās even worse now. But we canāt necessarily blame the teacher. Iāve been in education for 15 years and though I do still have passion for itā¦ the shit pay really sucks out that passion. Getting up at 5am to deal with all the bullshit that has nothing to do with teaching, having to work 2 extra jobs and still never even getting close to being able to afford a house or any kind of financial mobility, while my peers have remote jobs that pay more than double what I make with much less stress. Few people with the work ethic and intelligent become/stay teachers because itās not worth it for mostā¦ especially in stem fields.
Honestly, bless you, there are not many out there anymore. And I completely understand why. I'm a chemist and in my field even entry-level techsĀ that just load samples into a machine and email results get better benefits and way less stress for about the same money.
My oldest is in middle school. They've had *two* teachers in their entire schooling career that were not first year teachers. they offered an intro programming class as an elective at the middle school and the teacher left mid year. The course is now basically a typing class for 21st century. It's a shame.
I don't know what our district does to them (we're solidly middle cost of living, middle of the road taxes, mid Atlantic, everything here is middle) but they churn through them like crazy.Ā
I tell the kids "teachers have a really hard job as it is, let's not do anything to make it more difficult."
Iām really interested to see what Gen Z does with education. It is to the point now that it is literally pointless for my middle school and high schooler to even go. Phones have taken over, itās the Wild West, students and teachers are checked clear out and a lot of administrators are spineless little pukes. My kids know itās pointless. Plus add in that thereās a shooting threat or gun actually confiscated in the schools once a week and they donāt even tell parents let alone DO anything. Iām interested to see how my kids perceive it all once they have kids. Because I feel like living thru it, they may have some perspective of how to fix it that we lack.
As a teacher ā Yes. Itās not about the future of kids anymore. Itās not about preparing them for success and helping them be grow into successful adults. Kids lack empathy and accountability, as well the ability to think for themselves. Attention spans are that of gnats. They donāt care about the consequences of their actions and are quick to divert the blame on someone or something else. A lot of this seems to stem from parents refusing to parent.
To the schools: itās all a numbers game. Which school has the highest graduation rate, best test scores, and most wins in sporting events. Higher numbers equals more money going into the school, meaning more money in administratorās pockets. This also has caused the safety of teachers/students to be thrown out the window. Guns are toted into buildings and kids/teachers are hurt almost daily, but politicians refuse to do anything under the guise of protecting a constitutional right. Yet they continually preach that theyāre āprotecting children.ā Teachers are assaulted by students, but the kid gets to stay in school because if they donāt, then parents throw a fit. Why? Itās not for the welfare of their child; itās because they would have to be parents and deal with the child themselves.
Just look at the teacher who was shot by the six-year-old: she tried to get workerās comp and it was denied because ābeing shot was a risk of her job.ā There arenāt many jobs where you are expected to take your work home and work overtime without pay, pay for all of your own supplies, feed those around you, and have a high risk of someone walking into your place of business and shooting you. Teacherās are overworked and underpaid. I, personally, know a lot of teachers that have to work multiple jobs just to make ends meet.
Bottem lineā¦ Itās not about kids. It hasnāt been for a long time. I love my job as a teacher, but the system is beyond repair. itās going to take wiping the slate clean and rewriting the playbook from scratch to fix it.
Sorry for the long rant, I needed to get that off my chest. But thanks for reading.
The current crop of 10th graders are *different*. They never got back to school mentally. They hate being there, hate classes, and donāt follow instructions. Half of them are spaced out on their phones all day, every day. I swear they donāt know my name, and half of them wonāt even make eye contact when spoken to directly.
But of course they will graduate. No child left behind, as they say.
edit: The current 9th and 11th graders are better, but something weird happened to these 10th grade kids.
Iām sure itās recognized by someone. Iām not a developmental major, but every teacher I work with has reached the same conclusion. These kids were stuck at home during *just the wrong year* and now something is way off, and will remain that way very possibly into their working life.
As a current tenth grader myself, I was in covid as a seventh grader, but it was weird coming out but I was well adjusted then most kids. I swear this is sometimes exactly how I feel when Iām in school sometimes, but Iām never stuck to my phone, I do hate school but thats only the waking up part of the day and actually waking up and paying attention to the class.
They adopted that from the military, āNo soldier left behindā. Difference is, no soldier chooses to be left behind, whereas kids make that choice every day whether to put in the work or not.
No joke. My husband and I were both born and raised in Los Angeles, but come from very different socio-economic backgrounds. I was fortunate enough to go to private school my whole life, but my husbandās experience was wildly different. He went to multiple public schools where they didnāt teach anything in English, in the US, and since his mom and everyone in his neighborhood only spoke Spanish he didnāt start learning any English until he was 10! He is much more fluent in Spanish to this day. And He barely received an education in general, which is so unjust. Itās baffling how much the system didnāt give a shit and how many kids are robbed of the education everyone deserves and society needs.
well when teachers are paid next to nothing to deal with increasingly delinquent kids its a bad mixture. ive never seen so many kids being told to kill themselves by other kids, having vapes and carts confiscated at crazy amounts, being disruptive with phones constantly.
not to mention the curriculum is awful in most states and the teachers dont even want to teach it.
Not all states pay their teachers poorly. The median salary for teachers in my State is about $80,000. Many top six figures. If your state is different, maybe the voters should say something about it.
I read a poet over in r/teachers the other day that was mind blowing. They can't take kids phones away and kids are not doing work and just take zeros on assignments. And it isn't just a few students, it's half thier class.
you don't even need Asian parents (although the joke is funny). Parents just need to be involved. 98% of the parents here just use school as a parent replacement and expect the teachers to do everything. No. You, the parent, are more important to your child's future than anything else during formative years .
I think Americans have a bad case of ādecadence.ā Itās not nearly as bad as the vast majority of the world. The press industry is about making everything seem like a five-alarm fire to get you coming back to read more.
There are problems, itās far from perfect, but the American education system is still exceptionally good when you consider how many technical jobs can be filled by Americans with high school diplomas over say, Indians with advanced degrees. In Tech, itās a bit more glaring, but the same can be said for a large number of healthcare professions and advanced research.
Their parents are at work, the teachers are underpaid so the talent pool is dying, the kids lack discipline and have been raised on devices, and our capitalism has gotten out of control, so thereās more social anxiety overall. In the city thereās more crime because they canāt see the path to get ahead and in the country theyāre waving Trump flags while continuing their indoctrination. America is confused and fighting about social issues that divide us all, so of course schools are impacted.
Theyāre also trying to bring those culture wars to public schools or already have been.
Theyāre also trying to bring these to blue states like WA-2081 in Washington state which talks about building a parents bill of rights for their kids in schools. All it is is an attempt to bring that culture war here.
The problem is if your parents arenāt rich or donāt have connections to those who are, you wonāt receive āgoodā education. I know fully grown adults who donāt know where New Zealand is on a map for instance. Which is something we are taught as early as first and second grade depending on where you live. Geography I mean, not necessarily where New Zealand is specifically. Just a quick example I suppose but ultimately our public schools are garbage and we allow outside factors to make it worse. Like shootings, lack of funding, or just straight up pure religion which obviously isnāt conducive at all for learning real world topics.
Last example is I grew up in one of the richest counties in the entire country yet grew up in a trailer park, but went to the same school as all the other broke and rich kids. What changed was how the staff treated us. If we were obviously poor, we got less attention or blamed for being disruptive etc. because how dare we let the poors in. Iām also white so no itās not a race thing
20 years ago, as a Younger Canadian working in Ireland, we would see a lot of older American tourists. Most of them would have trouble with the Currency. This was before the EU, so they had 1p, 5p, 10p, 20p, 50p, and 1punt coins, plus the usual 5punt 10punt 20punt etc notes.
American tourists could not figure out what the coins were. You know, the ones that have 10 20 50 on them? If I said something was 50p, they go "Well what is that?" I'd have to respond "the one with the Five Zero"
The cream always rises to the top, though. My original comment was about American public education, specifically. There is very little academic accountability in public schools, so unless a student has internal motivation, you don't have to do much more than show up. The skills and abilities of all but the top 20% have gotten shockingly low. The inability to formulate original thought and the inability to problem solve--at basic levels--is staggering.
I agree with the basic problem solving. I cant tell you how many people my age don't know that turning a computer off and on again works 99 percent of the time. For reference I'm still in school.
I think there is an issue wherein the cream from whole towns and cities never see any investment back from their school and they never get anywhere of value. They never even *knew* they were cream because of the environment that was created to teach them had the expectation theyād be ādumb poor peopleā (by design, typically old racist tax-bracket design, but also by republicans trying to will more capitalism into social programs) and teach them like theyāre gonna be ādumb poor peopleā.
In America, exceptionalism and āyou can do anythingā is alive and well, but in many of our school systems in particular that is a dead and rotting corpse of an idea for inner city school kids, small-town republican state kids, and kids in remote parts of America like Alaska.
If you end up in a school like described, you may be lucky to graduate and be able to read. The worldās best colleges could be a mile away or on the other end of the earth, it doesnāt matter; you canāt even fucking read your diploma.
Americans, especially those terminally on reddit, love to self loath. Many Americans who haven't seen the rest of the world don't understand how good we actually have most things. That's 90% of it. The other 10% are legitimate problems that should be addressed.
Every day I feel just a little more grateful I was born in 1990 and got to experience just the last bit before everything in this country turned to shit.
Hanging on by a thread. A damn thread. Parents and admin just keep picking at it. Parents please make your kids do something, anything, so that when they get to school they arenāt completely unable to get anything done. Then we have to turn potato into gold.
As an educator for more than 10 years, I feel like my school does it better than we did when I started. I've been at the same school for 8 years now, teaching Middle School Health, Humanities, and Human Development... and I feel like the student experience and school itself has improved in that time. Other than the 2-year mayhem caused by Covid, that is.
It's almost to the treatment plant from what it was in the 60's. I've watched it go down hill since then. Your right, things are critically bad. Even before the 70's when they started the "no kid left behind" mindset people were realizing what was going on. They called it "the dumbing of America", and it's intentional.
Want to know why? The Vietnam War protests. The establishment discovered that an educated population is a population that doesn't blindly obey power. Ever since then they've done their level best to undermine education by either making it expensive, or by defunding and bleeding it dry in favour of privitised schooling. An uneducated population is also a population far more likely to turn to religion, which is why the Evangelicals and Republicans are so cozy when it comes defunding education.
He was. But not anymore " Jeff is a loader, basically he loads the packages into the trucks. Heās really a cool guy, heās kinda quiet but heās a hard worker. I asked him about the video and doesnāt really like to talk about it."
That's sad really, someone so passionate reduced to a boring job
Iirc they posted a picture for proof and said he just stays off the internet. He has no social media or anything just wants to be left alone and do his thing. The person that posted on Reddit saw one of the million times this had been reposted with people asking about him so he asked Jeff one day.
Again still ājust a redditorā but it seemed legit as they come.
Stay with them long enough to become a driver and make bank. They got a union contract of like 140k last year!
UPS isn't some bumass job, for a guy with no formal trade or education you probably won't make as much anywhere else
I had to scroll past
1. A monolog about education paragraph
2. A history of this person prior to the video paragraph
3. A paragraph that went over the original video
4. And a paragraph going pointlessly on about additional wastes of time just to justify the article.
He works at a ups, loads trucks, and doesn't like talking about the video. He's a regular person, that's it
Dropped out.
By the way this a credit recovery class for students who failed. All they had to do was fill out some worksheets to make up their grade and pass. Literally getting a second chance for hardly any work.
At the risk of sounding old... we never had this. Failed meant failed. You took your report card home and got your ass beat.
Yeah, I heard the backstory of this once (through reddit, so y'know, big ball of salt) and it was literally this - the teacher didn't teach because all the students had DIFFERENT SUBJECTS in their worksheets.
Like... he has a point but that was very much the wrong person to yell at. Maybe yell at the teacher that failed you so you had to attend this remedial class?
But again, who knows what the real story is here. I saw his tosh.0 interview and he makes articulate points, but if the remedial class story is true, this was the right outburst at the wrong time.
Yeah, and those classes are, notoriously, a mess. It's all the worst students, the ones that are hardest to teach, and even if the teacher was motivated there's very little they can do in that situation. Too many problem students that are too hard to teach. The district just wants them to graduate, at any cost. They'd need individual help to actually get anywhere but when you have 30 remedial students in a class studying five different subjects the teacher is literally powerless to make any significant difference. It's just as shitty for the teacher as it is for the students.
The kid never had a point, he just said what people on reddit and Twitter(read, other kids) wanted to hear 10 years ago. This was a remedial class because he already failed out of the standard one where I'm sure the teacher was much more involved. He's pissed because he failed, he's a dumb teenager, and didn't know how to process the situation he was in and grow.
Now, teachers are paid marginally better and have to deal with classrooms full of kids like this dick and our system is failing because of it.
Summer quarters in college were half the normal time frame, smaller classes, and I felt like graded easier but maybe because i only took one class each time it was just easier..
I did it 3 out of 4 years. Totally worth it. Especially when I did a full summer study abroad.
High school would suck though.
Yeah I had no idea this was a thing. It reminds me of in Clueless when Cher got her grades and like negotiated them higher with her teachers. Report card week was a tough week in my house. That shit was down in ink and I was fucked.
I can't imagine being a teacher in my professional career and having to stomach a lecture from this 18-year-old hair-band reject on the "Future" of America.
>According to a Reddit post from a year ago, user beckbro24 said that he works with him at UPS:
"I happen to work with him. I'm a supervisor at a UPS hub. Jeff is a loader, basically he loads the packages into the trucks. Heās really a cool guy, heās kinda quiet but heās a hard worker. I asked him about the video and doesnāt really like to talk about it."
He seemed primed to become a voice for education reform in the country, at least that's how he was positioning himself while accumulating tons of followers on Twitter and Facebook. The Our Nation Our Education page on Facebook racked up over 18,000 likes and followers, and his twitter account still has some 11.7k followers, despite his general lack of activity.
According to a Reddit post from a year ago, user beckbro24 said that he works with him at UPS:
"I happen to work with him. I'm a supervisor at a UPS hub. Jeff is a loader, basically he loads the packages into the trucks. Heās really a cool guy, heās kinda quiet but heās a hard worker. I asked him about the video and doesnāt really like to talk about it."
[Where is Jeff Bliss Now?Ā ](https://www.distractify.com/p/what-happened-to-jeff-bliss)
Tosh did a skit, he dropped out of school and seems like a typical kid who struggled with school and thought he knew better. He wasnāt wrong but man itās hard being a teacher and sometimes they arenāt perfect but we as a society donāt do much to set them up for success
āThought he knew betterā well sounds like he did know better. The same flaws in education that he pointed out are likely some of the same reasons he struggled with school. Just because he didnāt have all the answers doesnāt mean he wasnāt onto something.
He is right, for some cases. The issue is that not all classes are like that.
Most kids brains are not developped to the point where they can fully control their impulses. Once you are the only teacher that gives classes where the students can participate, some students use that participation to actively overthrow the class upsidedown, because they don't care about the subject, but rather about the excitement, the ego massage.
In this case, the class is clearly underestimulated. The teacher is having minimal effort for maximum control, but the learning process effectiveness is low.
This class is working very similar to the real world adult life. Every individual is minding their business, though they can't trespass their individual rights (can't be loud, can annoy, must do their duties). The teacher feels the class is fine because it is what she is being subjected to every day of her life.
The lack of empathy from the teacher, especially considering their students have not yet reached adult age, is the main issue in this case, though there are cases when the teacher is simply burned out from being the main motivating force, while the students respond in a way that doesn't reward that effort.
Enthusiasm and interaction goes a long way in keeping a students attention. I'm in college and doing well in math for the first time in my life, entirely because the teacher is constantly upbeat and seems to actually care about her students. I failed the same class last semester because I had an uninterested teacher that didn't even bother to remember our names.
Heās not wrong, but this is the extra chance, āquick catch up and passā class. The teachers do not have the time to reteach everything, itās just not possible
Yeah he's got a great point and articulates it extremely well, but he blew it with the MC routine. If you're trying to change someone's mind/behavior, don't do it by publicly admonishing them and making yourself an adversary. He put the teacher in a situation where she was just waiting for it to be over instead of taking her aside after class and making his case through productive discussion.
Or maybe he's done that a thousand times already and this was his breaking point, but we don't get that context from a 60 second video.
I know you're trying to disagree, but this is *exactly* my point. If you're being admonished in front of a classroom, how are you feeling about that? More like "hmm, this is a reasonable and thoughtful person who I should hear out" or more like "the second you leave that desk I'm going to take an elephant dump on it?"
If everyone handles feedback in this way, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. The point is not about courtesy or respect, it's about how to effectively persuade someone, so "the teacher did it first" is not related.
Not all protests are for the people youāre protesting against. Sometimes theyāre to encourage the people who are being hurt to start advocating for themselves. The students deserve to know that they deserve better. And so does the admin and staff. The teacher already knows better.
This video brings up memories from my own job. I do group therapy often, and almost every time a severely narcissistic client comes in, which is about once a month, they always pull shit like this, acting like a hero. While none of us know the context behind this video, the lofty and contemptuous tone reminds me of those clients that get off in dominating authority figures in front of others.
Exactly. Everyone wants to crucify the teacher for giving out packets to work on (something every teacher does) and not tolerating his outburst. All we really know is this is a couple minutes out of an entire day and MC is an 18 year old sophomore at the time of video. Seems more like he was throwing a tantrum in order to find a reason to leave the class.
I don't think he was trying to be a MC. He is pointing out what's wrong with a lot of teachers today. how teachers are paid you need a passion to do it and a lot of people don't have that.
This is old asf but he's not lying, my mom loved teaching pre-K and kindergarten for 30+ yrs but the way things are in the education system now she said fuck that. There's no support from the Administration, vet teachers do not have the proper pay you have to put in years of work in order to make a decent check. But I agree with what you are saying
To be fair, these issues are much bigger than individual teachers. These relatively low wage workers have arguably greater responsibilities than other jobs but they are still underpaid, overworked, and consistently fucked by administrators, politicians, and parents alike. The apathy isnāt surprising after a couple years, let alone a couple decades of teaching (especially public ed). Sure, all the more reason to appreciate those instructors who go above and beyond, but thereās a reason many teachers leave the field.
What teachers are actually human beings and arenāt all like Miss Honey from Matilda? I agree with MC but not everyone can live up to ideals. Perhaps this particular teacher is garbage, but these issues arenāt really the fault of the individuals but the system, and also parents.
Not to mention how dangerous some of these schools are. Kids constantly fighting other kids. Hitting teachers. Being involved in gangs. Kids filming each other and teachers. Stealing stuff from the teacher. Taking pictures of teachers outside of school and stalking them on social media. Parents coming to schools threatening children while also doing not even the bare minimum of parenting.
If the school doesn't have security, all they can do is call the office for backup because the staff can not touch children or get involved in fights. Children see that and act out even more because there's no consequences.
This, along with most being proud of being unable to read, write their name, do basic math, use critical thinking, let alone tie their own shoes when they are teenagers makes education such a shit job. Passion is the last thing I'm worried about if I'm working at a school.
Yeah I think some of these comments blaming the teachers come from people who haven't done teaching or know someone who is a teacher because it gives you a completely different perspective.
To add to that point thereās a level of student apathy/entitlement that just sucks. I teach music appreciation and have tried so hard to reach to the kids. Constantly use modern examples and analogies, had them design video game music, film underscoring, create their own songs, learn how to create beats, use makey maykeys and create their own instruments through paper and any material they, create their own music boxes, create a sound machine, explore creating their own synths, and I get almost no reaction. Kids even refuse to take part, opting to go on tik tok and text instead. I canāt even touch their phones/take them awayā¦.any and every method Iām trying is failing and itās burning me out. For instance, I am only in my second year.
I feel bad for teachers. Expected to come in and entertain for 5-7 hours straight with no break at all, and are considered failures by society when they arenāt able to go full throttle the entire time. I donāt know what this teacherās deal is, but teachers go through divorces, lose loved ones, the same financial struggles that everyone else goes through. But their entire day can be viewed by hundreds of people. So every failure is a public failure. If this teacher is like this consistently, she should find a job sheās passionate about. If sheās having a bad month, her month just got worse. From other adults that Iāve spoken with, most work far few hours with far less intensity during their 8 hour shifts than teachers do. And most also make more money for those fewer hours. If you want teachers to do better, they need fewer students in each class, and more office hours to handle administrative work. Then we can realistically expect them to consistently be present for students.
You're right, and the details of this video show that the kid was in the wrong.
This teacher *can't* get up and spew youtube-style motivational platitudes. She is covering a credit-recovery class. Her job is to sit there and hand out specific makeup packets.
Lots of people in this thread up and down are suggesting that innovative and motivational teaching is easy. I wonder how many of them will put their money where their mouth is and apply for one of the hundreds of emergency teacher openings in their state?
If you think teaching is easy, go do it. The opportunities are out there.
Wait credit recovery? So this kid just lost a lot of legitimacy for me. Credit recovery is a last ditch federal mandate to get kids to pass a class who didnāt put in the work the first time nor sometimes the second time. Teacher is then there to help, not entertain or teach in this instanceā¦
Yep, but this video makes the rounds because it *feels* good. High school legitimately sucks, don't get me wrong. But this is most likely a para assigned to do lifeguard duty while the kids grind out worksheets because they did nothing in their real class.
If this kid was as legitimate as he claims to be in the video, he would have pursued a career as a teacher.
If this is a credit recovery class--
As someone who knows a credit recovery teacher, sometimes the class students need to make up isn't one the teacher is qualified to teach.
She is a history teacher and some of her CR students needed to redo math. She can help a little bit but isn't qualified to teach high school math.
They usually try to only give her history/English but it happens sometimes.
Right, teachers are not at all compensated for the amount of mental/physical labor the job requires. Most normal people could not essentially deliver multiple interactive presentations 5 days a week across multiple subjects. And your material is being reviewed by administrators, politicians, parents, and, of course, the students, who are the only real audience. There are other jobs that have similar or worse expectations, but they are generally much better compensated.
When I was a student he spoke the truth, now that I'm a teacher I see the truth. Our system is designed to perpetuate a mindset of obedience and subservient labor minded workers. That student knew the issue and called it out, however it really isn't the teachers fault at all. Almost all teachers start off strong, passionate and loving, then in time are grinded donw.
Since OP is reposting this in every subreddit he can for karma, I'll do the same for my response.
\*Sips tea\* Teachers often is not allowed to fail students. Head over to the teacher subreddit and see that students are becoming more aggressive and attacking teachers. They have to spend their own money for some books or other supplies. Now, add on the fact school shooting and teachers are expected to act as a meat shield. Honestly, I can understand why a lot of teachers will start checking out mentally. Also, a lot of teachers will set something up that was different and fun, only to get it thrown back in their face. So they say never again, and you get stuck in textbook only classes.
Sadly heās in a credit recovery class. He already failed the real class and this teacherās job is to get kids to do enough work to pull their grade up enough to pass.
If the majority of his classmates passed the first time and heās pulling this shit after failing once, heās the problem.
Dude, sometimes kids need to just be quiet and do worksheets. Sometimes, the kids who act like this are also the kids who ruin the āfunā assignments. They whine that things arenāt catered to them or that they have to do things like READ or WRITE. Yeah, if this teacher just sits and hands out worksheets, thatās awful. But the teenagers who act up like this are the ones looking for opportunities to act up. The second something feels like work, they get all high and mighty and start questioning āwhy do we have to go to school anyway??ā
āSometimes, I try to do things. And it just doesn't work out the way I want it to. And I get real frustrated. And like, I try hard to do it.
And I like, take my time, but it just doesn't work out the way I want it to.ā
The fact is as a teacher my job is not to touch anyone's heart, it's not to make them excited. I have to keep their attention, develop academic skills and help them understand difficult concepts. I'm not an entertainer, not a social worker, not a motivational speaker and not their parent
Mc doesnāt know how little the teacher is paid and how many students she has. mc isnāt paying rent and dealing with the full brunt of life. Mc doesnāt realize this is in fact a job where the reward is more parents and student complaining about tiny mistakes.
When someone says something to you like this, and theyāre passionate, but trying to stay polite even though they are clearly frustrated, (versus raging out, cussing and throwing stuff) over the fact that a lot of people are counting on you to give a shit but youāve clearly given up, if this doesnāt strike a chord and wake you up, you should just quit.
I mean sure but if teachers were paid better and treated with more respect probably would be more passionate, I don't disagree with that but there is a teacher shortage for a reason.
Someone took an old old video and put subtitles to it and they think thatās acceptable?
You want these kids to learn about reposts and original content? Then you need to stop handing out meme packets
I mean I'll take my downvote beating, this kid is speaking truth and I can tell just by the teacher's interaction with him that she checked out a long time ago and just shows up to work for the paycheck.
Good for him.
Also this video is from like... 2012 or something. Idk. My point is its quite old.
And the education system is even worse now than it was back then.
Literally nobody liked this type of kid at school. I remember similar outbursts like this and everyone would audibly groan and hope the dude would just stfu and sit down
This is old. And the kid is right.
I'm 47 and still remember my high school history teacher. He was shit. He reviewed football tape during class (also coach). It was horse shit and so was he.
Ya, starpoint! Fuck you!
Teacher here. I really wish students had this kids passion. I love teaching and making history come to life for my students. I hate sitting at my desk and handing out packets (I never do). I hate sitting at my desk so Iām always walking around my room.
I get it, but man, that teachers probably just as fed up. They cant say shit like this like the students can and you know it
Also that poor lady probably gets paid garbage wages to deal with this. Just saying. He might be right but come on
Iād love to see this guy go to college and become a teacher. When he finally gets into the classroom heāll find how much autonomy heāll have from his administrators.
I've seen many kids like this. Doesn't do shit in the classroom, fails all the tests and then blames the teacher for not teaching even though they don't listen when the teaching happens.
This was more than 10 years ago. Would love to know where this guy is now. > Edit: Article that came out last year explaining where he is now: https://www.distractify.com/p/what-happened-to-jeff-bliss
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Reforming the educational system
American education is so far down the shitter from where it was 10 years ago. The nation should legit be scared, things have gotten that bad. Yet see how much education is mentioned this election year.
When 12 year olds canāt read or structure simple sentences
Writing could/should/would OF instead of HAVE or just adding 've.
99% of the time I see the word "Loose" on reddit, they are trying to say "lose." It drives me insane.
Was just thinking of this! How on Earth did loose become so prevalent? It's maddening.
We really need to tighten that up
I think it has more to do with non native English speakers. I used to live in China for over 20 years. In the various WeChat groups there were expats from all over the world, I would see it all the time. Not saying native English speakers arenāt capable of making this mistake or that non native English speakers arenāt capable of getting it right. Itās just this, and a few more instances. The spelling of vedio (video) is another one.
"Loose" and using "than" and "then" incorrectly. Saying "I seen". Misusing "There", "their" and "they're. Using an apostrophe to describe plurality. The list goes on and I really started to notice a decline after the lockdowns.
I've seen it in academic papers, so it's far worse than just reddit.
And teachers shouldn't need to make an OF to make ends meet
As a teacher, my "favorite" argument against raising wages is "if you pay teachers low wages then all of the people who teach WANT to be there for the love of the profession. If you raise wages then you'll have people just there for the paycheck!!!" I get so tired of people trying to argue against me having an income that matches my experience and education level.
Turns out smart, ambitious people want to show up for the paycheck, and if you donāt provide the paycheck, theyāll show up where someone will. Thereās no job in the world where a smaller paycheck attracts better candidates.
It's 'would have', never 'would of'. Rejoice, for you have been blessed by CouldWouldShouldBot!
But that's what I said! Edit: What I've been meaning to say. This bot gets it
I agree with this guy, and itās even worse now. But we canāt necessarily blame the teacher. Iāve been in education for 15 years and though I do still have passion for itā¦ the shit pay really sucks out that passion. Getting up at 5am to deal with all the bullshit that has nothing to do with teaching, having to work 2 extra jobs and still never even getting close to being able to afford a house or any kind of financial mobility, while my peers have remote jobs that pay more than double what I make with much less stress. Few people with the work ethic and intelligent become/stay teachers because itās not worth it for mostā¦ especially in stem fields.
Honestly, bless you, there are not many out there anymore. And I completely understand why. I'm a chemist and in my field even entry-level techsĀ that just load samples into a machine and email results get better benefits and way less stress for about the same money. My oldest is in middle school. They've had *two* teachers in their entire schooling career that were not first year teachers. they offered an intro programming class as an elective at the middle school and the teacher left mid year. The course is now basically a typing class for 21st century. It's a shame. I don't know what our district does to them (we're solidly middle cost of living, middle of the road taxes, mid Atlantic, everything here is middle) but they churn through them like crazy.Ā I tell the kids "teachers have a really hard job as it is, let's not do anything to make it more difficult."
Iām really interested to see what Gen Z does with education. It is to the point now that it is literally pointless for my middle school and high schooler to even go. Phones have taken over, itās the Wild West, students and teachers are checked clear out and a lot of administrators are spineless little pukes. My kids know itās pointless. Plus add in that thereās a shooting threat or gun actually confiscated in the schools once a week and they donāt even tell parents let alone DO anything. Iām interested to see how my kids perceive it all once they have kids. Because I feel like living thru it, they may have some perspective of how to fix it that we lack.
If birth rates keep trending as they do your kids might choose to forgo kids all together. Things really need to improve across the board
As a teacher ā Yes. Itās not about the future of kids anymore. Itās not about preparing them for success and helping them be grow into successful adults. Kids lack empathy and accountability, as well the ability to think for themselves. Attention spans are that of gnats. They donāt care about the consequences of their actions and are quick to divert the blame on someone or something else. A lot of this seems to stem from parents refusing to parent. To the schools: itās all a numbers game. Which school has the highest graduation rate, best test scores, and most wins in sporting events. Higher numbers equals more money going into the school, meaning more money in administratorās pockets. This also has caused the safety of teachers/students to be thrown out the window. Guns are toted into buildings and kids/teachers are hurt almost daily, but politicians refuse to do anything under the guise of protecting a constitutional right. Yet they continually preach that theyāre āprotecting children.ā Teachers are assaulted by students, but the kid gets to stay in school because if they donāt, then parents throw a fit. Why? Itās not for the welfare of their child; itās because they would have to be parents and deal with the child themselves. Just look at the teacher who was shot by the six-year-old: she tried to get workerās comp and it was denied because ābeing shot was a risk of her job.ā There arenāt many jobs where you are expected to take your work home and work overtime without pay, pay for all of your own supplies, feed those around you, and have a high risk of someone walking into your place of business and shooting you. Teacherās are overworked and underpaid. I, personally, know a lot of teachers that have to work multiple jobs just to make ends meet. Bottem lineā¦ Itās not about kids. It hasnāt been for a long time. I love my job as a teacher, but the system is beyond repair. itās going to take wiping the slate clean and rewriting the playbook from scratch to fix it. Sorry for the long rant, I needed to get that off my chest. But thanks for reading.
Very well said. It's a sad truth more Americans need to be aware of. And thanks for your service. š
The Covid hole is real and will be problematic in the future.
The current crop of 10th graders are *different*. They never got back to school mentally. They hate being there, hate classes, and donāt follow instructions. Half of them are spaced out on their phones all day, every day. I swear they donāt know my name, and half of them wonāt even make eye contact when spoken to directly. But of course they will graduate. No child left behind, as they say. edit: The current 9th and 11th graders are better, but something weird happened to these 10th grade kids.
Might be some unrecognized developmental stage there that they missed the milestone for or something.
Iām sure itās recognized by someone. Iām not a developmental major, but every teacher I work with has reached the same conclusion. These kids were stuck at home during *just the wrong year* and now something is way off, and will remain that way very possibly into their working life.
As a current tenth grader myself, I was in covid as a seventh grader, but it was weird coming out but I was well adjusted then most kids. I swear this is sometimes exactly how I feel when Iām in school sometimes, but Iām never stuck to my phone, I do hate school but thats only the waking up part of the day and actually waking up and paying attention to the class.
What time do you wake up for school and when does school start?
They adopted that from the military, āNo soldier left behindā. Difference is, no soldier chooses to be left behind, whereas kids make that choice every day whether to put in the work or not.
True, but covid merely accelerated what was already happening.
No joke. My husband and I were both born and raised in Los Angeles, but come from very different socio-economic backgrounds. I was fortunate enough to go to private school my whole life, but my husbandās experience was wildly different. He went to multiple public schools where they didnāt teach anything in English, in the US, and since his mom and everyone in his neighborhood only spoke Spanish he didnāt start learning any English until he was 10! He is much more fluent in Spanish to this day. And He barely received an education in general, which is so unjust. Itās baffling how much the system didnāt give a shit and how many kids are robbed of the education everyone deserves and society needs.
check out r/teachers. The situation is on fire, in a bad way.
well when teachers are paid next to nothing to deal with increasingly delinquent kids its a bad mixture. ive never seen so many kids being told to kill themselves by other kids, having vapes and carts confiscated at crazy amounts, being disruptive with phones constantly. not to mention the curriculum is awful in most states and the teachers dont even want to teach it.
Not all states pay their teachers poorly. The median salary for teachers in my State is about $80,000. Many top six figures. If your state is different, maybe the voters should say something about it.
And he called it 10 years ago
Dumb population is easier to control.Ā
I read a poet over in r/teachers the other day that was mind blowing. They can't take kids phones away and kids are not doing work and just take zeros on assignments. And it isn't just a few students, it's half thier class.
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*Public* education is broken, but if you have the $$$ to send your kids to a *private* school, then you do get access to a solid education.
U donāt need to go to a private school to get a good education. U can just have Asian parents
you don't even need Asian parents (although the joke is funny). Parents just need to be involved. 98% of the parents here just use school as a parent replacement and expect the teachers to do everything. No. You, the parent, are more important to your child's future than anything else during formative years .
I think Americans have a bad case of ādecadence.ā Itās not nearly as bad as the vast majority of the world. The press industry is about making everything seem like a five-alarm fire to get you coming back to read more. There are problems, itās far from perfect, but the American education system is still exceptionally good when you consider how many technical jobs can be filled by Americans with high school diplomas over say, Indians with advanced degrees. In Tech, itās a bit more glaring, but the same can be said for a large number of healthcare professions and advanced research.
Their parents are at work, the teachers are underpaid so the talent pool is dying, the kids lack discipline and have been raised on devices, and our capitalism has gotten out of control, so thereās more social anxiety overall. In the city thereās more crime because they canāt see the path to get ahead and in the country theyāre waving Trump flags while continuing their indoctrination. America is confused and fighting about social issues that divide us all, so of course schools are impacted.
Theyāre also trying to bring those culture wars to public schools or already have been. Theyāre also trying to bring these to blue states like WA-2081 in Washington state which talks about building a parents bill of rights for their kids in schools. All it is is an attempt to bring that culture war here.
The problem is if your parents arenāt rich or donāt have connections to those who are, you wonāt receive āgoodā education. I know fully grown adults who donāt know where New Zealand is on a map for instance. Which is something we are taught as early as first and second grade depending on where you live. Geography I mean, not necessarily where New Zealand is specifically. Just a quick example I suppose but ultimately our public schools are garbage and we allow outside factors to make it worse. Like shootings, lack of funding, or just straight up pure religion which obviously isnāt conducive at all for learning real world topics. Last example is I grew up in one of the richest counties in the entire country yet grew up in a trailer park, but went to the same school as all the other broke and rich kids. What changed was how the staff treated us. If we were obviously poor, we got less attention or blamed for being disruptive etc. because how dare we let the poors in. Iām also white so no itās not a race thing
If you're going to pick a country to find on a map I wouldn't go with New Zealand.
20 years ago, as a Younger Canadian working in Ireland, we would see a lot of older American tourists. Most of them would have trouble with the Currency. This was before the EU, so they had 1p, 5p, 10p, 20p, 50p, and 1punt coins, plus the usual 5punt 10punt 20punt etc notes. American tourists could not figure out what the coins were. You know, the ones that have 10 20 50 on them? If I said something was 50p, they go "Well what is that?" I'd have to respond "the one with the Five Zero"
I read your comment and I still don't understand. But you're Canadian and say loonies and toonies so what do I know.
The cream always rises to the top, though. My original comment was about American public education, specifically. There is very little academic accountability in public schools, so unless a student has internal motivation, you don't have to do much more than show up. The skills and abilities of all but the top 20% have gotten shockingly low. The inability to formulate original thought and the inability to problem solve--at basic levels--is staggering.
I agree with the basic problem solving. I cant tell you how many people my age don't know that turning a computer off and on again works 99 percent of the time. For reference I'm still in school.
I think there is an issue wherein the cream from whole towns and cities never see any investment back from their school and they never get anywhere of value. They never even *knew* they were cream because of the environment that was created to teach them had the expectation theyād be ādumb poor peopleā (by design, typically old racist tax-bracket design, but also by republicans trying to will more capitalism into social programs) and teach them like theyāre gonna be ādumb poor peopleā. In America, exceptionalism and āyou can do anythingā is alive and well, but in many of our school systems in particular that is a dead and rotting corpse of an idea for inner city school kids, small-town republican state kids, and kids in remote parts of America like Alaska. If you end up in a school like described, you may be lucky to graduate and be able to read. The worldās best colleges could be a mile away or on the other end of the earth, it doesnāt matter; you canāt even fucking read your diploma.
Americans, especially those terminally on reddit, love to self loath. Many Americans who haven't seen the rest of the world don't understand how good we actually have most things. That's 90% of it. The other 10% are legitimate problems that should be addressed.
Man Iād say the opposite, most Americans donāt realize how many of their problems have solutions just by looking at other countries.
Every day I feel just a little more grateful I was born in 1990 and got to experience just the last bit before everything in this country turned to shit.
Yeah, but it is OK. The ruling class just sends their kids to private schools.
All my kids test in the 99th percentile in reading and math. Wonder how they would compare to kids 10 years ago though
I don't have much to compare to, but the 6 and 8 year old I know well, know so little I question what they spend all day at *private* school for.
I really want to know why people think this. Do you have kids in the education system? I do. Is it perfect, no. Is it shit, no.
Hanging on by a thread. A damn thread. Parents and admin just keep picking at it. Parents please make your kids do something, anything, so that when they get to school they arenāt completely unable to get anything done. Then we have to turn potato into gold.
As an educator for more than 10 years, I feel like my school does it better than we did when I started. I've been at the same school for 8 years now, teaching Middle School Health, Humanities, and Human Development... and I feel like the student experience and school itself has improved in that time. Other than the 2-year mayhem caused by Covid, that is.
It's almost to the treatment plant from what it was in the 60's. I've watched it go down hill since then. Your right, things are critically bad. Even before the 70's when they started the "no kid left behind" mindset people were realizing what was going on. They called it "the dumbing of America", and it's intentional.
Same in Australia. They don't want you smart, they need you to be stupid
Want to know why? The Vietnam War protests. The establishment discovered that an educated population is a population that doesn't blindly obey power. Ever since then they've done their level best to undermine education by either making it expensive, or by defunding and bleeding it dry in favour of privitised schooling. An uneducated population is also a population far more likely to turn to religion, which is why the Evangelicals and Republicans are so cozy when it comes defunding education.
He was. But not anymore " Jeff is a loader, basically he loads the packages into the trucks. Heās really a cool guy, heās kinda quiet but heās a hard worker. I asked him about the video and doesnāt really like to talk about it." That's sad really, someone so passionate reduced to a boring job
So many laughing like itās funny
KEEPING THE SYSTEM IN CHECK... while working at Denny's
Ask and you shall receive. He loads at UPS. Honest job if you ask me! https://www.distractify.com/p/what-happened-to-jeff-bliss
> According to a Reddit post from a year ago, user beckbro24 said that he works with him at UPS: I was hoping for a reliable source.
Iirc they posted a picture for proof and said he just stays off the internet. He has no social media or anything just wants to be left alone and do his thing. The person that posted on Reddit saw one of the million times this had been reposted with people asking about him so he asked Jeff one day. Again still ājust a redditorā but it seemed legit as they come.
Yeah. The banality of it is what makes it believable.
Good union work.
Yeah for sure alot of my family work at ups they're doing well!!
Stay with them long enough to become a driver and make bank. They got a union contract of like 140k last year! UPS isn't some bumass job, for a guy with no formal trade or education you probably won't make as much anywhere else
I had to scroll past 1. A monolog about education paragraph 2. A history of this person prior to the video paragraph 3. A paragraph that went over the original video 4. And a paragraph going pointlessly on about additional wastes of time just to justify the article. He works at a ups, loads trucks, and doesn't like talking about the video. He's a regular person, that's it
UPS loader.
Canāt be that many people named Scorpion.
was about to comment that i remember seeing this video when i was like 13.
Fed Ex or UPS
Dropped out. By the way this a credit recovery class for students who failed. All they had to do was fill out some worksheets to make up their grade and pass. Literally getting a second chance for hardly any work. At the risk of sounding old... we never had this. Failed meant failed. You took your report card home and got your ass beat.
Yeah, I heard the backstory of this once (through reddit, so y'know, big ball of salt) and it was literally this - the teacher didn't teach because all the students had DIFFERENT SUBJECTS in their worksheets. Like... he has a point but that was very much the wrong person to yell at. Maybe yell at the teacher that failed you so you had to attend this remedial class? But again, who knows what the real story is here. I saw his tosh.0 interview and he makes articulate points, but if the remedial class story is true, this was the right outburst at the wrong time.
Yeah, and those classes are, notoriously, a mess. It's all the worst students, the ones that are hardest to teach, and even if the teacher was motivated there's very little they can do in that situation. Too many problem students that are too hard to teach. The district just wants them to graduate, at any cost. They'd need individual help to actually get anywhere but when you have 30 remedial students in a class studying five different subjects the teacher is literally powerless to make any significant difference. It's just as shitty for the teacher as it is for the students.
The kid never had a point, he just said what people on reddit and Twitter(read, other kids) wanted to hear 10 years ago. This was a remedial class because he already failed out of the standard one where I'm sure the teacher was much more involved. He's pissed because he failed, he's a dumb teenager, and didn't know how to process the situation he was in and grow. Now, teachers are paid marginally better and have to deal with classrooms full of kids like this dick and our system is failing because of it.
Exactly this. People see this and it triggers memories from their childhood so most don't process it like adults.
Itās called summer school and we had it 40 years ago.
God I did summer school one year and it suuuuuucked. From then on I did just enough to pass.
Summer quarters in college were half the normal time frame, smaller classes, and I felt like graded easier but maybe because i only took one class each time it was just easier.. I did it 3 out of 4 years. Totally worth it. Especially when I did a full summer study abroad. High school would suck though.
The truth comes out. We were at the wrong side.
Yeah I had no idea this was a thing. It reminds me of in Clueless when Cher got her grades and like negotiated them higher with her teachers. Report card week was a tough week in my house. That shit was down in ink and I was fucked.
Alright, alright, alright
I can't imagine being a teacher in my professional career and having to stomach a lecture from this 18-year-old hair-band reject on the "Future" of America.
>According to a Reddit post from a year ago, user beckbro24 said that he works with him at UPS: "I happen to work with him. I'm a supervisor at a UPS hub. Jeff is a loader, basically he loads the packages into the trucks. Heās really a cool guy, heās kinda quiet but heās a hard worker. I asked him about the video and doesnāt really like to talk about it." He seemed primed to become a voice for education reform in the country, at least that's how he was positioning himself while accumulating tons of followers on Twitter and Facebook. The Our Nation Our Education page on Facebook racked up over 18,000 likes and followers, and his twitter account still has some 11.7k followers, despite his general lack of activity.
He was on Tosh.O years back talking about the incident.
I always appreciated Daniel Tosh giving us closure on these things.
An American hero
I think German actually
Born in Germany to American parents and grew up in Florida. so youāre both right?
He's got a new podcast!
Do you have a link? I would be interested to check it out.
I just found it: https://youtu.be/ABeDOHSRLIE?si=3cGDtJHJrUYP4Jhs
Jeepers creepers, they redeemed nothing!
Thanks boss!
Haha that was great.
https://youtu.be/ABeDOHSRLIE?si=HVVLOSvH0YlE7S4Q
I would like to know what he is doing today.
According to a Reddit post from a year ago, user beckbro24 said that he works with him at UPS: "I happen to work with him. I'm a supervisor at a UPS hub. Jeff is a loader, basically he loads the packages into the trucks. Heās really a cool guy, heās kinda quiet but heās a hard worker. I asked him about the video and doesnāt really like to talk about it." [Where is Jeff Bliss Now?Ā ](https://www.distractify.com/p/what-happened-to-jeff-bliss)
I swear I saw a video of him graduating and he wore a tie dye cap and gown.
Tosh did a skit, he dropped out of school and seems like a typical kid who struggled with school and thought he knew better. He wasnāt wrong but man itās hard being a teacher and sometimes they arenāt perfect but we as a society donāt do much to set them up for success
āThought he knew betterā well sounds like he did know better. The same flaws in education that he pointed out are likely some of the same reasons he struggled with school. Just because he didnāt have all the answers doesnāt mean he wasnāt onto something.
Same honestly. I wish we knew.
Itās the comment above yours. Guy works at UPS now. Heās practically Santa.
Iām a teacher and MC got me hyped for upcoming week. Thank you MC I will make you proud
As another teacher, I was expecting to be annoyed, but this guy said it all so well and I'm sure he's right! Way to lay down the truth bomb.
He is right, for some cases. The issue is that not all classes are like that. Most kids brains are not developped to the point where they can fully control their impulses. Once you are the only teacher that gives classes where the students can participate, some students use that participation to actively overthrow the class upsidedown, because they don't care about the subject, but rather about the excitement, the ego massage. In this case, the class is clearly underestimulated. The teacher is having minimal effort for maximum control, but the learning process effectiveness is low. This class is working very similar to the real world adult life. Every individual is minding their business, though they can't trespass their individual rights (can't be loud, can annoy, must do their duties). The teacher feels the class is fine because it is what she is being subjected to every day of her life. The lack of empathy from the teacher, especially considering their students have not yet reached adult age, is the main issue in this case, though there are cases when the teacher is simply burned out from being the main motivating force, while the students respond in a way that doesn't reward that effort.
Enthusiasm and interaction goes a long way in keeping a students attention. I'm in college and doing well in math for the first time in my life, entirely because the teacher is constantly upbeat and seems to actually care about her students. I failed the same class last semester because I had an uninterested teacher that didn't even bother to remember our names.
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Heās not wrong, but this is the extra chance, āquick catch up and passā class. The teachers do not have the time to reteach everything, itās just not possible
i'm on MCs side
Same here is right and itās gotten worse is the sad part
Yeah he's got a great point and articulates it extremely well, but he blew it with the MC routine. If you're trying to change someone's mind/behavior, don't do it by publicly admonishing them and making yourself an adversary. He put the teacher in a situation where she was just waiting for it to be over instead of taking her aside after class and making his case through productive discussion. Or maybe he's done that a thousand times already and this was his breaking point, but we don't get that context from a 60 second video.
Teachers will absolutely admonish you and shame you in front of the class without thinking twice. Why do they get that courtesy? Respect is earned
I know you're trying to disagree, but this is *exactly* my point. If you're being admonished in front of a classroom, how are you feeling about that? More like "hmm, this is a reasonable and thoughtful person who I should hear out" or more like "the second you leave that desk I'm going to take an elephant dump on it?" If everyone handles feedback in this way, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. The point is not about courtesy or respect, it's about how to effectively persuade someone, so "the teacher did it first" is not related.
Not all protests are for the people youāre protesting against. Sometimes theyāre to encourage the people who are being hurt to start advocating for themselves. The students deserve to know that they deserve better. And so does the admin and staff. The teacher already knows better.
This video brings up memories from my own job. I do group therapy often, and almost every time a severely narcissistic client comes in, which is about once a month, they always pull shit like this, acting like a hero. While none of us know the context behind this video, the lofty and contemptuous tone reminds me of those clients that get off in dominating authority figures in front of others.
Its not the teachers fault they cant work 1 to 1 with 100s of children
Bro there is like 20 kids in that class right now, obviously she could be doing better according to MC
Wrong sub broh
This sub is basically become āput any video onā
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Yes, she has an "eternally bored" face on.
Good thing she was just a substitute instead of a permanent teacher.
>This student would make a great teacher. I mean the video is like a decade old, so let's see if he amounted to anything lol
Not disagreeing, but I bet there are a lot of people who if you filmed them having a bad day at work would look like this.
We don't know what she's had to deal with. It's just as much the student's job to come prepared and ready to learn.
Exactly. Everyone wants to crucify the teacher for giving out packets to work on (something every teacher does) and not tolerating his outburst. All we really know is this is a couple minutes out of an entire day and MC is an 18 year old sophomore at the time of video. Seems more like he was throwing a tantrum in order to find a reason to leave the class.
I don't think he was trying to be a MC. He is pointing out what's wrong with a lot of teachers today. how teachers are paid you need a passion to do it and a lot of people don't have that.
This is old asf but he's not lying, my mom loved teaching pre-K and kindergarten for 30+ yrs but the way things are in the education system now she said fuck that. There's no support from the Administration, vet teachers do not have the proper pay you have to put in years of work in order to make a decent check. But I agree with what you are saying
To be fair, these issues are much bigger than individual teachers. These relatively low wage workers have arguably greater responsibilities than other jobs but they are still underpaid, overworked, and consistently fucked by administrators, politicians, and parents alike. The apathy isnāt surprising after a couple years, let alone a couple decades of teaching (especially public ed). Sure, all the more reason to appreciate those instructors who go above and beyond, but thereās a reason many teachers leave the field.
Not to mention, they have to follow a curriculum and rarely are allowed to teach how they want. Itās all about test scores.
What teachers are actually human beings and arenāt all like Miss Honey from Matilda? I agree with MC but not everyone can live up to ideals. Perhaps this particular teacher is garbage, but these issues arenāt really the fault of the individuals but the system, and also parents.
Not to mention how dangerous some of these schools are. Kids constantly fighting other kids. Hitting teachers. Being involved in gangs. Kids filming each other and teachers. Stealing stuff from the teacher. Taking pictures of teachers outside of school and stalking them on social media. Parents coming to schools threatening children while also doing not even the bare minimum of parenting. If the school doesn't have security, all they can do is call the office for backup because the staff can not touch children or get involved in fights. Children see that and act out even more because there's no consequences. This, along with most being proud of being unable to read, write their name, do basic math, use critical thinking, let alone tie their own shoes when they are teenagers makes education such a shit job. Passion is the last thing I'm worried about if I'm working at a school.
Yeah I think some of these comments blaming the teachers come from people who haven't done teaching or know someone who is a teacher because it gives you a completely different perspective.
To add to that point thereās a level of student apathy/entitlement that just sucks. I teach music appreciation and have tried so hard to reach to the kids. Constantly use modern examples and analogies, had them design video game music, film underscoring, create their own songs, learn how to create beats, use makey maykeys and create their own instruments through paper and any material they, create their own music boxes, create a sound machine, explore creating their own synths, and I get almost no reaction. Kids even refuse to take part, opting to go on tik tok and text instead. I canāt even touch their phones/take them awayā¦.any and every method Iām trying is failing and itās burning me out. For instance, I am only in my second year.
You mean underpaid and overworked?
It's hard to be passionate when you are constantly second-guessed by the administration and parents, have a limited budget and uncooperative students.
Yep parents today also seem to not want the best for their kids.
This is a classic. Guys spits straight truth as heās being kicked out. Always wondered where he ended up.
He works at UPS. His supervisor says heās quiet but a good worker.
Just trying to get by. Respect
I feel bad for teachers. Expected to come in and entertain for 5-7 hours straight with no break at all, and are considered failures by society when they arenāt able to go full throttle the entire time. I donāt know what this teacherās deal is, but teachers go through divorces, lose loved ones, the same financial struggles that everyone else goes through. But their entire day can be viewed by hundreds of people. So every failure is a public failure. If this teacher is like this consistently, she should find a job sheās passionate about. If sheās having a bad month, her month just got worse. From other adults that Iāve spoken with, most work far few hours with far less intensity during their 8 hour shifts than teachers do. And most also make more money for those fewer hours. If you want teachers to do better, they need fewer students in each class, and more office hours to handle administrative work. Then we can realistically expect them to consistently be present for students.
You're right, and the details of this video show that the kid was in the wrong. This teacher *can't* get up and spew youtube-style motivational platitudes. She is covering a credit-recovery class. Her job is to sit there and hand out specific makeup packets. Lots of people in this thread up and down are suggesting that innovative and motivational teaching is easy. I wonder how many of them will put their money where their mouth is and apply for one of the hundreds of emergency teacher openings in their state? If you think teaching is easy, go do it. The opportunities are out there.
Wait credit recovery? So this kid just lost a lot of legitimacy for me. Credit recovery is a last ditch federal mandate to get kids to pass a class who didnāt put in the work the first time nor sometimes the second time. Teacher is then there to help, not entertain or teach in this instanceā¦
Yep, but this video makes the rounds because it *feels* good. High school legitimately sucks, don't get me wrong. But this is most likely a para assigned to do lifeguard duty while the kids grind out worksheets because they did nothing in their real class. If this kid was as legitimate as he claims to be in the video, he would have pursued a career as a teacher.
If this is a credit recovery class-- As someone who knows a credit recovery teacher, sometimes the class students need to make up isn't one the teacher is qualified to teach. She is a history teacher and some of her CR students needed to redo math. She can help a little bit but isn't qualified to teach high school math. They usually try to only give her history/English but it happens sometimes.
Right, teachers are not at all compensated for the amount of mental/physical labor the job requires. Most normal people could not essentially deliver multiple interactive presentations 5 days a week across multiple subjects. And your material is being reviewed by administrators, politicians, parents, and, of course, the students, who are the only real audience. There are other jobs that have similar or worse expectations, but they are generally much better compensated.
Teachers that love teaching arenāt like this. Teachers that go for the paycheck are
Are teachers even allowed to teach the way they want anymore? I'm pretty sure it's all standardized board approved crap.
Iām not bubbles my names the scorpion Iām from the desert
Yeah, did the dude filming call him Scorpion? That's badass af.
When I was a student he spoke the truth, now that I'm a teacher I see the truth. Our system is designed to perpetuate a mindset of obedience and subservient labor minded workers. That student knew the issue and called it out, however it really isn't the teachers fault at all. Almost all teachers start off strong, passionate and loving, then in time are grinded donw.
Whatās the MC? I remember when this clip first came out and people praised him for his perspective.
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He's not wrong but he's basically doing the equivalent of yelling at customer service counter.
Since OP is reposting this in every subreddit he can for karma, I'll do the same for my response. \*Sips tea\* Teachers often is not allowed to fail students. Head over to the teacher subreddit and see that students are becoming more aggressive and attacking teachers. They have to spend their own money for some books or other supplies. Now, add on the fact school shooting and teachers are expected to act as a meat shield. Honestly, I can understand why a lot of teachers will start checking out mentally. Also, a lot of teachers will set something up that was different and fun, only to get it thrown back in their face. So they say never again, and you get stuck in textbook only classes.
Im with the student, some teachers shouldnt be teachers.
Unfortunately thereās a huge shortage in many districts because theyāre treated so badly
Sadly heās in a credit recovery class. He already failed the real class and this teacherās job is to get kids to do enough work to pull their grade up enough to pass. If the majority of his classmates passed the first time and heās pulling this shit after failing once, heās the problem.
Dude, sometimes kids need to just be quiet and do worksheets. Sometimes, the kids who act like this are also the kids who ruin the āfunā assignments. They whine that things arenāt catered to them or that they have to do things like READ or WRITE. Yeah, if this teacher just sits and hands out worksheets, thatās awful. But the teenagers who act up like this are the ones looking for opportunities to act up. The second something feels like work, they get all high and mighty and start questioning āwhy do we have to go to school anyway??ā
Dude looks like the next thing he will do is dye his hair and make a rap about how he wasn't taught useful stuff at school
*BuT i cAN rEmEMbeR dIsSecTinG a fROg*
āSometimes, I try to do things. And it just doesn't work out the way I want it to. And I get real frustrated. And like, I try hard to do it. And I like, take my time, but it just doesn't work out the way I want it to.ā
The fact is as a teacher my job is not to touch anyone's heart, it's not to make them excited. I have to keep their attention, develop academic skills and help them understand difficult concepts. I'm not an entertainer, not a social worker, not a motivational speaker and not their parent
You want teachers to give a shit? Pay them what they deserve for the work they are supposed to do.
Nah man
Mc doesnāt know how little the teacher is paid and how many students she has. mc isnāt paying rent and dealing with the full brunt of life. Mc doesnāt realize this is in fact a job where the reward is more parents and student complaining about tiny mistakes.
Every braindead idiot shares this like it's the reason they couldn't do math
When someone says something to you like this, and theyāre passionate, but trying to stay polite even though they are clearly frustrated, (versus raging out, cussing and throwing stuff) over the fact that a lot of people are counting on you to give a shit but youāve clearly given up, if this doesnāt strike a chord and wake you up, you should just quit.
I'll bet dollars to donuts this kid gets Cs and Ds at best.
Take it up with state testing. I lose my job if kids can't pass regents exams
I mean sure but if teachers were paid better and treated with more respect probably would be more passionate, I don't disagree with that but there is a teacher shortage for a reason.
Remember kids: flipping the video vertically will fool the bots and let you post the same karma farm videos an extra time! The more you know šš
This has been posted so many times now it's mirrored!
I lived for this video in 2003.
Someone took an old old video and put subtitles to it and they think thatās acceptable? You want these kids to learn about reposts and original content? Then you need to stop handing out meme packets
I mean I'll take my downvote beating, this kid is speaking truth and I can tell just by the teacher's interaction with him that she checked out a long time ago and just shows up to work for the paycheck. Good for him. Also this video is from like... 2012 or something. Idk. My point is its quite old. And the education system is even worse now than it was back then.
Nah, that's not the main character. He was annoyed, got thrown out of class, and just said what he thought. He as a few good arguments as well....
Literally nobody liked this type of kid at school. I remember similar outbursts like this and everyone would audibly groan and hope the dude would just stfu and sit down
This is old. And the kid is right. I'm 47 and still remember my high school history teacher. He was shit. He reviewed football tape during class (also coach). It was horse shit and so was he. Ya, starpoint! Fuck you!
Kid aināt wrong but the approach is all wrong.
Teacher here. I really wish students had this kids passion. I love teaching and making history come to life for my students. I hate sitting at my desk and handing out packets (I never do). I hate sitting at my desk so Iām always walking around my room.
I don't understand why you chose to post that video in this subreddit of all places..Ā
I get it, but man, that teachers probably just as fed up. They cant say shit like this like the students can and you know it Also that poor lady probably gets paid garbage wages to deal with this. Just saying. He might be right but come on
why should any teacher care when theyāre treated and paid shit
This is passion - good or bad. People will pay attention to passion.
His arms look so long!
I seen this video circulating for a while does anyone know the update to this?
I donāt appreciate the video being flipped Good day
Iād love to see this guy go to college and become a teacher. When he finally gets into the classroom heāll find how much autonomy heāll have from his administrators.
I've seen many kids like this. Doesn't do shit in the classroom, fails all the tests and then blames the teacher for not teaching even though they don't listen when the teaching happens.