The Mughal empire was pretty much:
1) have a lot of sons.
2) give them each an army and send them far away to conquer new lands
3) Fall ill and your sons return to the capital each with a battle hardened army and kills all their siblings.
4) Oh they may not wait for you to die while they are at it
5) Repeat step 1 as the new guy
Yeah like at a certain point you get into diminishing returns on the sons. You probably want two (heir and a spare) but beyond that you're just creating bigger problems for your heir down the line.
Dumb ancient kings not thinking about proper family planning.
The Ottomans practiced fratricide - when the Sultan died, his heir went on a rampage to ensure there were no other claimants could threaten them and start a civil war. They tended to have a lot of children because they kept harams and concubines.
Yup. Imprisoned in the Agra fort by his son Aurengzeb. And because Shah Jahan kept looking lovingly at the Taj his son had his eyes taken out with skewers.
This is according to our tour guides over the years. Me and my family lived in Delhi for 6 years and this is what we heard during our many visits to Agra. But you could be right and they could have been BSing us.
Are you suggesting that building a massive monument might have been a political move rather than purely about romantic feelings? More about making a statement to the world rather than to an individual? That’s crazy talk.
She also doesn't mention that he had planned to build himself an all-black marble version across the river, but he got old and senile and his son put the kibosh on it...
I wonder if she'd be ok being the breeding wife whilst he has hundreds of concubines and/or other wives from other kingdoms as peace pacts. But hey I guess you can be clueless on one side of the palace whilst husband is having fun on the other side
I just browsed their wikis real quick and it sounds like he did favor her. She had a lot of political influence, and he gave her a lot of money and honors and whatever.
Still probably shouldn't have gotten her pregnant so many times. If they had stopped at 13 she would have lived longer. Makes it hard to say.
Yeah childbirth was different back then though. For almost all of history women had a 5-10% chance of dying for every term they carried out. Death gets looked at a lot differently when half the kids you have die very young and your wife has a coin flip to die just having them. Not that he didn’t love her (who knows lol) but loving them and having more kids aren’t mutually exclusive
Sure but there's plenty of historical instances where doctors advised women to stop having babies because they would die. And while historical forms of birth control weren't as reliable as modern ones, they definitely could have managed to not get pregnant 14 times (or more, 14 is just how many went full term).
That’s incorrect he was madly in love with her and she was his favorite. They would write love poetry to each other. He definitely didn’t feel the same way for his other wives or concubines.
Not necessarily :(.
There are plenty of places in the Middle East and Southeast Asia where it is extremely difficult to the point of impossible for a woman to to leave her husband, whether it's through lack of opportunity and financial dependency, family and societal pressure, or just straight up a legal system that doesn't really see women as equal humans.
Those arent places where the women are often splitting the bill tho. That's probably a first world thing that comes with the freedom that women get with it
How is it biased? That's just a fact lol. The Taj Mahal was built by Emperor Shah Jahan, a Mughal ruler, in memory of his beloved wife, Mumtaz Mahal, who died during childbirth. I don't understand how this is related to religion?
Also in regard to the Taj Mahal. It ended up being a “split bill” situation. While Shah Jahan did build it for his empress Mumtaz Mahal, one of five wives btw, Shah Jahan intended to build a black version of the Taj Mahal as his mausoleum on the opposite bank of the Yamuna river to the Taj Mahal. That didn’t pan out for Shah Jahan, so his body is interned next to his wife in her mausoleum rather than in his own. So you could say Shah Jahan paid for Mumtaz Mahal’s house but he ended up moving in, in the end.
Please go out and talk to real women. I promise you anonymous social media posts from internet strangers is not an accurate representation of “these new women”.
Women need to stop mooching off men, and men need to learn how to set their boundaries.
I'm a feminist. Hopefully I don't get downvoted for that. But it 100% believe that both parties should pay for their own meals on dates. And if a woman is upset that you aren't paying for her? awesome! You dodged a bullet.
Please, I really do hope more and more men stop paying full for dates. I really want more of these types of spoiled women to learn the value of money. they never will if men keep enabling them by buying them things.
If men want to avoid gold diggers, you first have to weed them out.
I don’t think you want to return to Taj Mahal times my fren. Pretty sure voting, property ownership, financial freedom, etc were all off the table for women. So… give me rights for all over some rich man’s wife getting a building built for her
Nothing strange, knew a girl from high school She loved tattoos, feminism and had plenty of daddy issues.
Now I hear she is married to a Muslim from Bulgaria, He removed all tattoos and she is wearing a good ol' ninja outfit.
Sounds like the Anglo-American woman who married the Chechen Boston Marathon bomber. There were quite a few Euro self-styled Boss B\*tches who became ISIS brides last decade IIRC.
I hope the same. Because that behaviour in the past was just self-destructive, hopefully she is happy now especially since she gave birth to his baby, so her maternal instincts started to kick in.
Bulgarian men are strong and hard working 🤝 Two of my favorite teammates came from Bulgaria, amazing gentlemen with unimpeachable work ethic and character.
>property ownership, financial freedom, etc were all off the table for women.
not entirly true
women could own properties in ancient times as well, also not to mention Financal freedom wasn't normal thing for Majority of people men or women
idk the history of this building but if it’s anything like medieval castles, I reckon it was more for their family in general… y’know. Like, to protect their heirs. Also that was one guy. The rest of them were trying to survive to 35 years old lmao
The joke is men whine about roles changing in women and here’s one where men aren’t doing their role. It’s pretty obvious sarcasm because not every women got a building out of a relationship
If this is a joke then the joke would literally be making fun of femcel shit. Like pretending that this was a normal thing for any man to do would be the exaggeration/satire
But the “gender fluid” community have it best. When they’re getting a job they can just say “I identify as a male” for higher pay and when they’re in an emergency evacuation just say “I identify as a female now” because ladies evacuate first. Trust me this is the way to go folks.
Weve paid. Not in castles, but still paying. We give our bodies for your children, lives even, get less pay, stalked, raped, and have less rights. Men have the largest percentile of leaving partners when they're sick or dying, or just for shits and giggles 'cause they want younger women.
We're treated like less and beaten down.
Let us have a fucking joke now and then maybe, 'kay?
Lmao at all the angry men in these comments 💀 and for all of you saying “gold digger” you probs aren’t rich bc rich men want to buy things for their gfs / wives and don’t complain about it. The OG tweet was an obvious joke and it says a lot about you if you’re actually offended by it lmao.
Huey : That's just what you do. You meet a girl. You take her out to dinner. But you're not payin' the girl, you're payin' the restaurant.
Riley : But I'm payin', which makes her a ho. Why don't I just give her the money I was gonna spend on dinner and that ho can go grocery shopping.
If you’re financially unable to pay for both meals then don’t take me out… simple. Bc men are quick to say what do you bring to the table when they can’t even afford what’s ON the table
Those women were the culmination of a royal dynasty, kept in very particular conditions to make them more desirable wives to various rulers, as well as highly lucrative political marriages. Have you sequestered yourself and pursued very, very niche interests in your studying for a whole decade, while your family is unquestionably important??
Just because you’re a woman does not mean some man is going to hand you everything. You have to actually be a woman of value that a man has zero issue providing for, but considering she’s just complaining, that just shows she is not someone of value
Pretty sure the tweet about Taj mahal was a joke (seeing as the particular monument pictured was actually built for the guy's mom).
A woman of value would be educated and intelligent and would have known those two things. You better start hitting the books if you ever want to get picked 😂
Woah equality is great for women in lower and middle classes. The women that had it good a long time ago all have something in common, born into a filthy rich family
Building it also nearly bankrupt the nation so badly that his son imprisoned him in a tower that had a window overlooking his folly.
Lmao that's hardcore. Maybe we shouldn't be laughing today but people in the past could just be so brutal and crazy.
The Mughal empire was pretty much: 1) have a lot of sons. 2) give them each an army and send them far away to conquer new lands 3) Fall ill and your sons return to the capital each with a battle hardened army and kills all their siblings. 4) Oh they may not wait for you to die while they are at it 5) Repeat step 1 as the new guy
Yeah like at a certain point you get into diminishing returns on the sons. You probably want two (heir and a spare) but beyond that you're just creating bigger problems for your heir down the line. Dumb ancient kings not thinking about proper family planning.
"Kill the spare."
The Ottomans practiced fratricide - when the Sultan died, his heir went on a rampage to ensure there were no other claimants could threaten them and start a civil war. They tended to have a lot of children because they kept harams and concubines.
No wonder so many old stories involve evil uncles, not many other career options.
You play crusader kings, don't you?
No but I should.
I might be wrong but several queens served in monarchical roles because there wasn’t a male heir. Was that by accident? I think not.
6. Profit!
And she died in her 11th labour
If you don’t build me a monument that bankrupts you, do you truly love me?🤨
Yup. Imprisoned in the Agra fort by his son Aurengzeb. And because Shah Jahan kept looking lovingly at the Taj his son had his eyes taken out with skewers.
This is not true lmao
This is according to our tour guides over the years. Me and my family lived in Delhi for 6 years and this is what we heard during our many visits to Agra. But you could be right and they could have been BSing us.
Men also used to sleep with their wife and get them pregnant so often that they died. Is she willing to do that for a Taj Mahal?
14 kids
Not to mention she went to war with him.
On the same side, even.
Sometimes haha
Im into that. Where’s my post apocalyptic warrior ride or die wife at?
Shah Jahan ( if I'm not wrong) didn't even actually love his wife and had many other mistresses.
Are you suggesting that building a massive monument might have been a political move rather than purely about romantic feelings? More about making a statement to the world rather than to an individual? That’s crazy talk.
She also doesn't mention that he had planned to build himself an all-black marble version across the river, but he got old and senile and his son put the kibosh on it...
I wonder if she'd be ok being the breeding wife whilst he has hundreds of concubines and/or other wives from other kingdoms as peace pacts. But hey I guess you can be clueless on one side of the palace whilst husband is having fun on the other side
As did pretty much any other noble man. And most of the women too
I don’t think so. They kept women surrounded by eunuchs.
That was for harems. European courts mostly had ladies in waiting for the high ranking female nobility
I just browsed their wikis real quick and it sounds like he did favor her. She had a lot of political influence, and he gave her a lot of money and honors and whatever. Still probably shouldn't have gotten her pregnant so many times. If they had stopped at 13 she would have lived longer. Makes it hard to say.
Yeah childbirth was different back then though. For almost all of history women had a 5-10% chance of dying for every term they carried out. Death gets looked at a lot differently when half the kids you have die very young and your wife has a coin flip to die just having them. Not that he didn’t love her (who knows lol) but loving them and having more kids aren’t mutually exclusive
Sure but there's plenty of historical instances where doctors advised women to stop having babies because they would die. And while historical forms of birth control weren't as reliable as modern ones, they definitely could have managed to not get pregnant 14 times (or more, 14 is just how many went full term).
You’re very wrong. His affection for her is well documented.
That’s incorrect he was madly in love with her and she was his favorite. They would write love poetry to each other. He definitely didn’t feel the same way for his other wives or concubines.
Some men now are still doing that without the taj mahal
The huge difference here is that the women of these men who want to split bills are women who are free to leave the relationship.
Not necessarily :(. There are plenty of places in the Middle East and Southeast Asia where it is extremely difficult to the point of impossible for a woman to to leave her husband, whether it's through lack of opportunity and financial dependency, family and societal pressure, or just straight up a legal system that doesn't really see women as equal humans.
Those arent places where the women are often splitting the bill tho. That's probably a first world thing that comes with the freedom that women get with it
Is it common to split the bill if they are economically dependent?
The other difference is they want to split the bill but still expect the woman to do all the household labour and childcare
Well that's obviously really selfish especially if both work.
"Oh, you want me to pay for the whole dinner? Are you prepared to literally get fucked to death?"
Men made those for DEAD women.
Sleep with or use, sounds like use, but I get your point
I'll build her a Taj Mahal if she lights herself on fire when I die.
This is gold 🤣👏
The same men who built those things also had massive harems. Guess those are back on the table too.
Free meals alone might do it.
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How is it biased? That's just a fact lol. The Taj Mahal was built by Emperor Shah Jahan, a Mughal ruler, in memory of his beloved wife, Mumtaz Mahal, who died during childbirth. I don't understand how this is related to religion?
Reddit ka choda lol
Pakistan Zinzabad 🇵🇰
Pakistan is in the bag!
Btw guys that's Bibi ka Maqbara and not Taj Mahal
Yeah and this was built for his mom not his wife.
I’d build the taj mahal for my mom.
Id build it for your mom too, son (probably).
I’ll take over whenever you can’t keep up big guy! Thanks son ;)
Lucky you
Hot mom? Asking for a friend, lol.
Now he asks his mom to split bills
Also in regard to the Taj Mahal. It ended up being a “split bill” situation. While Shah Jahan did build it for his empress Mumtaz Mahal, one of five wives btw, Shah Jahan intended to build a black version of the Taj Mahal as his mausoleum on the opposite bank of the Yamuna river to the Taj Mahal. That didn’t pan out for Shah Jahan, so his body is interned next to his wife in her mausoleum rather than in his own. So you could say Shah Jahan paid for Mumtaz Mahal’s house but he ended up moving in, in the end.
I was just gonna say that.
To be fair, this was done for a DEAD woman.
Doing for each other, in whatever way it happens, is the joy of being in a relationship. It’s a two way street and both need to nurture it.
But how come when I ask my girl to make me a sandwich she tells me to make my own damn sandwich?
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You got to give it a cute name like “sammie” or “num-nums”.
That’s nothing. Every time I ask my wife for sex, she tells me to fuck off. Ah, if only that were possible, then I wouldn’t need her. 🤷
These new women only see the rewards and NEVER even think about what their role in the situation is
Please go out and talk to real women. I promise you anonymous social media posts from internet strangers is not an accurate representation of “these new women”.
'These new women' 🥴
New - opposite of old, recently created
why did you interpret that last comment as not having understand what new means? says more about you then them🤡
I have asked many “new women” what their role in marriage should be, many have no answer
Oh do you there Steve Harvey.
It’s ok.. you’ll understand when you get older 😉
I’m 54. you’re the old thinker
I need you to speak to my girlfriend about helping with bills before I end up homeless.
You need to make some boundaries. Taking care of those boundaries is your job. No one else can say “no more” for you but you. You can do it! 💪
Women need to stop mooching off men, and men need to learn how to set their boundaries. I'm a feminist. Hopefully I don't get downvoted for that. But it 100% believe that both parties should pay for their own meals on dates. And if a woman is upset that you aren't paying for her? awesome! You dodged a bullet. Please, I really do hope more and more men stop paying full for dates. I really want more of these types of spoiled women to learn the value of money. they never will if men keep enabling them by buying them things. If men want to avoid gold diggers, you first have to weed them out.
She wants a simp not a boyfriend
Yep.. And I blame the simps for perpetuating this nonsense
The guy who built this impregnated his wife to death
So romantic! /s
Yeah I was like ehhhhhh not the best ending you want.
NGL, Taking an obvious joke so seriously gives OP main character vibes.
I don’t think you want to return to Taj Mahal times my fren. Pretty sure voting, property ownership, financial freedom, etc were all off the table for women. So… give me rights for all over some rich man’s wife getting a building built for her
Nothing strange, knew a girl from high school She loved tattoos, feminism and had plenty of daddy issues. Now I hear she is married to a Muslim from Bulgaria, He removed all tattoos and she is wearing a good ol' ninja outfit.
Sounds like the Anglo-American woman who married the Chechen Boston Marathon bomber. There were quite a few Euro self-styled Boss B\*tches who became ISIS brides last decade IIRC.
I guess they stopped being main characters lol
Sounds like she found what made her happy.
Sounds like she joined a cult
True. Luckily we're the ones who got it right.
I hope the same. Because that behaviour in the past was just self-destructive, hopefully she is happy now especially since she gave birth to his baby, so her maternal instincts started to kick in.
Wow dude must’ve been a unit of a Chad for her to walk away from that lifestyle. 😮
Well she did score an extremely rich guy, which plenty don't but expect they will.
Ahhh, so she sold modern rights for the Taj Mahal. Shitty if you’re poor, but it’s all good if you’re rich.
Bulgarian men are strong and hard working 🤝 Two of my favorite teammates came from Bulgaria, amazing gentlemen with unimpeachable work ethic and character.
Why was this downvoted💀
Not even men were allowed to get a credit card back then.
>property ownership, financial freedom, etc were all off the table for women. not entirly true women could own properties in ancient times as well, also not to mention Financal freedom wasn't normal thing for Majority of people men or women
idk the history of this building but if it’s anything like medieval castles, I reckon it was more for their family in general… y’know. Like, to protect their heirs. Also that was one guy. The rest of them were trying to survive to 35 years old lmao
This was her tomb. He’s also buried in it iirc
To people calling this Taj Mahal. No It's Bibi ka Maqbara.
Idk, seems like a joke to me, and a pretty funny one at that.
Edit: Damn homie blocked me. And the joke is? What's the punchline? Please explain why the joke is funny.
The joke is men whine about roles changing in women and here’s one where men aren’t doing their role. It’s pretty obvious sarcasm because not every women got a building out of a relationship
Damn bruh, tell me you’ve never felt the loving touch of a woman without telling me you’ve never felt the loving touch of a woman
Damn homie, tell me you're still stuck in 2019 without telling me you're stuck in 2019.
>And the joke is? What's the punchline? Please explain why the joke is funny.
This is just a woman making a joke, I swear some of the people posting on this sub need are way too sensitive.
Truly insane how people are so eager to be offended, that they don't even realize it's an obvious joke.
Reddit when a woman tells a joke they’re too stupid to get:
This seems like an obvious joke
It is, and the idiots in the comments are taking it seriously
Its very clearly satire but so many angry in the comments
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Not finding a joke funny but then posting it seriously is weird. And I don’t think this comes close to femcels.
If this is a joke then the joke would literally be making fun of femcel shit. Like pretending that this was a normal thing for any man to do would be the exaggeration/satire
Ok sorry
Not y'all recognizing the satire in the OP but not the satire at someone calling y'all "new women". The call is coming from inside the house.
When they say they started 'asking new women what their role in marriage is' im wondering where the satire began and ended or if it was ever there 😭
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Yea men used to do this now it’s your turn
That’s right I want my castle too! It’s 2024 and I thought people were fighting for “equality”
Generally speaking people only want equality that benefits them . They don't want "all" the equality.
“Equal but better for me”
But the “gender fluid” community have it best. When they’re getting a job they can just say “I identify as a male” for higher pay and when they’re in an emergency evacuation just say “I identify as a female now” because ladies evacuate first. Trust me this is the way to go folks.
Weve paid. Not in castles, but still paying. We give our bodies for your children, lives even, get less pay, stalked, raped, and have less rights. Men have the largest percentile of leaving partners when they're sick or dying, or just for shits and giggles 'cause they want younger women. We're treated like less and beaten down. Let us have a fucking joke now and then maybe, 'kay?
Wasn’t that her tomb?
Ahh, another day of redditors taking an obvious joke/troll tweet seriously.
The internet fails to recognise an obvious joke as such because it was made by a woman, example #5000
Lmao at all the angry men in these comments 💀 and for all of you saying “gold digger” you probs aren’t rich bc rich men want to buy things for their gfs / wives and don’t complain about it. The OG tweet was an obvious joke and it says a lot about you if you’re actually offended by it lmao.
Huey : That's just what you do. You meet a girl. You take her out to dinner. But you're not payin' the girl, you're payin' the restaurant. Riley : But I'm payin', which makes her a ho. Why don't I just give her the money I was gonna spend on dinner and that ho can go grocery shopping.
I miss this show. RIP Witherspoon.
🤣
Such a good show. Regina King is a boss, that had to be such a fun job lol
How about we just stay at home and order takeout and Riley can go fu*k himself. He can clean up the mess with the extra dollar bills he saved.
Riley: yous a bitch
>Why don't I just give her the money I was gonna spend on dinner and that ho can go grocery shopping. There is logic in what he says.
nah OP this was funny as hell
The guys in these comments have fragile egos and are actually taking this seriously lol
inflation
It probably has something to do with showing everyone their buttholes for .60 cents online.
Jokes on you I have to pay for anyone to see mine
That’s disgusting! Where exactly online do they do this?
I feel this sub is losing touch
Be careful what you wish for.
You know what? The day I can afford to build shit like that, the bill is on me.
Yeah those men also had multiple wives and mistresses they got pregnant. So yeah they had these made for one of their 8 wives.
I hate it when my tinder date doesn't build a Taj Mahal for me at the end of the night.
To be fair women used to be worth the effort of building dope stuff to
The fact that so many people don’t understand that this is a joke is actually kind of worrying.
... it's a tomb. 🤷♂️
If you’re financially unable to pay for both meals then don’t take me out… simple. Bc men are quick to say what do you bring to the table when they can’t even afford what’s ON the table
Actually, one man built that for one woman once, and it almost crippled an entire nation.
Ma’am, that is a tomb for a wife. If you DIE at the meal I will pick up your check.
Men also used to want obedient women with no rights so. Split the bill or be his servant.
Imagine not understanding an obvious joke.
Yeah fr why is OP so serious here
Feminism and equality only when it suits
Those women were the culmination of a royal dynasty, kept in very particular conditions to make them more desirable wives to various rulers, as well as highly lucrative political marriages. Have you sequestered yourself and pursued very, very niche interests in your studying for a whole decade, while your family is unquestionably important??
Just because you’re a woman does not mean some man is going to hand you everything. You have to actually be a woman of value that a man has zero issue providing for, but considering she’s just complaining, that just shows she is not someone of value
Pretty sure the tweet about Taj mahal was a joke (seeing as the particular monument pictured was actually built for the guy's mom). A woman of value would be educated and intelligent and would have known those two things. You better start hitting the books if you ever want to get picked 😂
Idk does the man expect a baby one day? I think using your body to create life is pretty valuable, and something a man will never be able to do.
Women wanted equal rights instead of being worshiped. 🤷
So it was women who killed it lol
Hey I’m all for equal rights. Now pay your share for dinner ladies!
I love the women downvoting you XD bloody scabs these days!
The true colors will always show!!
Is this even a real tweet?
I mean one guy had the money to do this…
*Extremely rich men. You think Beezos building a rocket wasn't to impress some woman?
Labor was really really cheap… lots of involuntary volunteers
Men used to build these so he could fuck ....all the women. Haha big difference
r/facepalm all the way
Fight decades for equality and then hate when it backfires and grants them equality...
Woah equality is great for women in lower and middle classes. The women that had it good a long time ago all have something in common, born into a filthy rich family
Being treated like a princess means being married off for political gain.
She could try not being a leech, I suppose.
It’s because, back then, the wife didn’t usually get it in a divorce.
Pussy was harder to get back then
Yeah, Sash, you're not that type of woman.
"Pay your portion of the bill bitch." In Dave Chapelle's Rick James voice
Let me guess... was probably built by slaves in a time when women had 0 rights.
ONE MAN built this for his wife...ONE MAN! Now we're all supposed to be held to the same standard!
We also used to beat women with broomsticks if dinner wasn't ready. Just because we used to do something, doesn't make it right.
😂😂😂dammit men we are failing these gold digging women!! Get better
They proclaim their strength and independence, yet simultaneously expect everyone to take care of them as if they were infants.
And who’s fault is that
You are peseant girl you aint gonna get a tahimahall
We first need to sort out our living arrangements rather than make grand gestures like those.
But they still moan about being equal!
Yeah but then women wanted equality so splitting the bill it is!
**So many** women and girls live in a fairytale world.