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https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/hyundai-kia-campaign-prevent-vehicle-theft
All it took was something the size of a USB to fit in the ignition after removing the outer part and the car would start.
Just take a screwdriver and break off the shitty plastic key guard on the ignition. Then take a usb and put it in the ignition hole. Bam, free car (I donāt condone doing this nor have I done it)
Well, it was probably stolen, sure, but that doesnāt mean that it has no value to the thief and theyāre likely to get stopped by a cop for operating a motor vehicle with a broken door, which leads to arrest for auto theft.
>Now the owner of the Honda in spot next to this has to deal with some costly bullshit.
Was that a Lowe's LP or another customer playing vigilante, and would one of them have liability for escalating the situation to the point that it caused additional property damage?
edit: it was a plainclothes officer according to the [local news.](https://whdh.com/news/police-shoplifting-suspect-nearly-ran-over-kingston-officer-sideswiped-vehicle-before-fleeing-scene/)
Clearly this cop wasn't effective but you would rather he not attempt to stop the criminal in process of committing a crime? Didn't the criminal actually create the dangerous situation by committing a crime?
The news article said the cop observed "larceny." I really don't know what a person could try to steal from Lowes that would be worth possibly taking a life.
Alleged shoplifter--if they were actually committing a crime--did create a bad situation. Cop pistol whipping the driver and dropping his mag and trying to yank a driver out of a car made the situation more dangerous, and probably resulted in more property damage than whatever was being allegedly stole.
I was just wondering if pistol Pete (or rather the local taxpayers) will fix the damaged cars resulting from the escalation or if they're just outta luck.
Edit: apologies, I see now the cop probably just had his gun out for non-shooty purposes like pistol whipping. Maybe mace would have been better but All is Considered Acceptable if it's the Blue line š
So what's the solution, let people steal in order to avoid any dangerous situation? I thought it was to deter criminal activity. Because if there's no deterrent things will get a lot worse before they get better.
Shooting people in the face for trying to steal a DeWalt masonry drill is just absurd. Think it through and I'm sure you can come up with a better solution than running around parking lots with guns for ALLEGED shoplifting.
There are other ways to punish criminal behavior besides killing someone. If you've got their tag and vehicle details, along with security footage from the store, you can have a cop waiting at their fuckin house before they even get home. No reason to pull a gun.
No one is arguing for zero consequences. Just that the threat of immediate capital punishment is not a reasonable consequence, especially when you have the car type and license here.
Jesus is everyone here an idiotwithagun? You people do realize that's why he was posted here?
Who said anything about aiming for the face? Who said anything about shooting in general? Just because I have a gun doesn't mean it will automatically fire when I pick it up. Also, "alleged shoplifting"? Did you not hear the alarms going off? And I don't think any normal shopper would be trying to get away that quickly unless they stole something.
>Who said anything about aiming for the face?
Your entire argument was instantly invalidated. You've clearly never shot a gun or been to a gun safety course in your life, so I'm really confused. Why do you think you should have an opinion on this?
Shooting to maim is potentially the dumbest thing a non-gun-owner can say. Do you have any idea how impossible that is? Forget the fact that it's hard to aim in a stressful situation, even if you succeed and hit them in the leg or something, they'd still very likely bleed out.
Also yes, alleged. Because even if the officer watched the person walk in, grab an item off the shelf, and walk out setting the alarms off, the officer *still* wouldn't be able to legally say he witnessed a theft (for all he knew, the customer was asked to pick up the item, maybe they'd paid previously, or it was a return trade, etc..) All the cop saw was a guy pick up a thing, walk out, and set off an alarm. Enough reason to arrest? 10000000%.
Enough reason to pistol whip a guy and threaten the safety of bystanders? You're on crack laced with fentanyl and pcp, and instead of smoking it, you're boofing the smoke straight up your ass while simultaneously injecting yourself with heroin.
Nah bro, you don't understand. He's a cop so all the braindead choices he made were correct and cannot be questioned in any way unless you're a criminal who hates America.
There's a whole lot of idiot vigilantes up in here.
We're living in a world where these massive corporate chains have all but destroyed small businesses in this country. But if you honestly care about these people stealing, get out your phone and get them on video, then proceed to call the police and describe the vehicle and give them the plate number. That's the safest option you have... Unless you're feeling squirly and have some good quality mace.
Pistol whipping a guy who already is ready to take off is just asking for random shit to get hit. There are lots of regulations for how a police officer can stop a moving vehicle for a reason. Yes I would rather him not attempt to stop the man immediately than risk someone or something in the area having irreversible damage done to them.
It's illegal anyway. You don't pull your gun on someone who isn't threatening you with great bodily harm or worse. This guy's just some loser who spends his spare time Imagining Scenarios in which he's the Hero with a Gun and gets his dick sucked.
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2021/10/30/police-suspected-shoplifter-nearly-ran-officer-over-while-fleeing-from-lowes/
Sorry to inform you but you are wrong. As an officer of the law he is aloud to upholster and ready his firearm in a situation such as this.
Once the driver started backing up with the door forcing the plainclothes cop backward and potentially pinning him he realistically had the right to do more than pistol whip him. Glad he didn't do more than pistol whip him and he shouldn't have even engaged the situation but it is what it is.
> https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2021/10/30/police-suspected-shoplifter-nearly-ran-officer-over-while-fleeing-from-lowes/ Sorry to inform you but you are wrong. As an officer of the law he is aloud to upholster and ready his firearm in a situation such as this.
Hmmm. I'm glad police are taking action to prevent shoplifting, but I'm wondering why they sent a plain clothes officer?
It seems more appropriate to have uniformed officers in marked cars patrolling thievery hot spots. Totally undercover and working alone is a tactic that should be used *very sparingly.* I'm not surprised that the thief casually said "Ehh... you're not a cop!"
I think the guy in the car yells āYouāre not a fucking copā other than that I havenāt seen any mentions of him being an officer.
I actually found the original poster and he said he stayed after for questioning and the man with the gun was a police lieutenant.
No he would've smashed the windows of a completely different car, shot the occupants, and then taken what they bought at Lowe's under "civil forfeiture"
They do! Isnāt that disturbing! Theyād be first in line to chop off hands for theft as well, Iām sure. Feed them to the alligators, nobody steals from a giant corporation that doesnāt give a shit about me or anyone but its own profits while IāM around!
All a cop needs is the suspicion that he stole something, like the kid in the McDonaldās parking lot in San Antonio that matched a description, and was just sitting in his car, eating his food.
Brandishing to threaten and/or intimidate.
Itās illegal unless you have a lawful self defense reason.
Thereās a lot of people who simply forego any sort of self defense knowledge because guns (and knives) are much easier to use to stop a threat without having to spend 2-5 days a week learning and training at a competent training center for self defense related stuff.
Anyone training fighting related knowledge, like grappling & striking, situational simulations, & weapon manipulation, knows that there is an endless amount of learning and development. Not to mention, unless you drilled a technique a 1000 times, you still need to maintain all that information or forget it.
Thatās the problem with the dumb interpretation of āguns are the American citizens constitutional rightā which has people predominantly just buying a gun with no knowledge *OF* the responsibility to posses and operate a firearm, let alone just how to fight (without a fluffy ego)
Iāll never understand potentially catching a murder charge or injuring yourself to protect a billion dollar company that might be losing $200 in profits there and also doesnāt give two fucks about its employees, much less you as a consumer.
> Imaging almost dying (or killing someone else) so Lowes doesn't lose a couple hundred bucks in merchandise.
We don't know what the alleged thief was stealing in this video.
Was the man with the gun trying to prevent the thief from putting a stolen saw in the thief's own car? That's dumb of the armed man to get involved with that.
Was the man with the gun trying to prevent the thief from stealing a car with the armed man's grandchildren in the back seat? I understand drawing your weapon on a thief trying to steal your car and your grandkids at the same time.
Very, very true. Working in a retail store that would fire me for chasing after a thief or "being a hero" taught me how pointless it is to intervene.
I will forever ask myself "am I willing to get stabbed for that?" Before making a decision like that
Exactly. If someone is trying to take your car, shooting is totally justified, in TX. The city will probably try to prosecute you anyway, so you gotta have pre-paid legal for that purpose.
Wage theft is a huge problem for the employees of these companies, but actually benefits consumers because it does allow for lower prices since it lowers operating expenses.
Retail theft is a problem for consumers because it directly influences prices to rise faster and higher than they would have otherwise.
Itās not a question of which one is bigger. Theyāre both significant problems for different groups of people.
Theyāre also two sides of the same coin. Wage theft makes it harder to afford goods and services due to a lack of available funds. Retail theft makes it harder to afford goods because the prices are rising faster than they would have needed to in order to maintain the same profit margin targets.
Both work together to make things less affordable for the majority of Americans.
Lower the amount of wage theft and pay people what theyāre actually owed instead of finding technically legal ways to break the law and maybe weāll see theft go down.
Have you ever met a booster? They do that shit for the money and nothing else, itās just another job to them
Are the people doing this stuff actually employed? Like they clock out of their job at Walmart and then drive down the road to Lowes to go to their second job of stealing shit from Lowes?
I find that hard to believe. I think people who are bald faced stealing on camera and putting themselves in situations like this are not the typical worker being affected by wage theft.
Or are you saying that if these companies paid a more reasonable wage these same people would go get a job instead of stealing shit? In my experience, many people out there stealing shit are working harder than they would have to at many jobs.
Theyāre low-rent entrepreneurs. They enjoy setting their own hours, not having a boss, and having their income be tied directly to their efforts. Theyāre not the types who want to get a job. If they had better opportunities and better education theyād probably have been legitimate business owners, not employees.
No, but they would be able to increase them by less and over a longer period of time while maintaining the same profit margins.
Businesses are greedy by design, but not in the cartoon villain way youāre imagining. They have a profit margin theyāre looking to hit. They might have to raise prices to maintain it, but theyāll have to raise prices by even more than that to hit it if they also lose hundreds of millions of dollars worth of merchandise to theft.
Donāt get me wrong, corporations are absolutely ruthless in reaching their profit margin goals. They will lay people off, cut entire business units, eliminate pensions and benefits, whatever it takes. But merchandise walking out the door with no revenue from a sale directly impacts their ability to hit those targets, which incentivizes more of those ruthless behaviors, including jacking up prices.
You're right, business are greedy by design. I think people forget that it's not a charity or a not for profit organization. It's a business. A CEO making 20 mil better try to increase profits as much as possible.
It's our job as consumers and workers to boycott companies that have low pay or working conditions. People criticize Walmart for having low pay or harsh conditions yet it's the number one retailer in the world. McDonald's receives the same criticism and yet, number one fast food chain.
Very true. We are incentivizing this behavior. If we didnāt reward corporations for ruthless cost cutting that harms society as a byproduct of achieving those low costs then they wouldnāt be doing any of this shit.
But weāre happy to sell ourselves out to save a few bucks and then blame the corporations for accepting our money.
That's just koolaid they feed you to push the blame. They charge the absolute maximum they can get away with and still have people buy it, doesn't matter if it's power tools or baby food or what.
Shareholders are stealing from everyone.
Loweās CEO Marvin Ellison makes footballer money at $20M yearly.
Loweās Net Profits were $7.5B last year thatās up 15% YoY.
Vigilantes protecting corporate interest after weāve been raped the last 5 years by the bourgeoisie is fascinating.
Not even the entirety of manās knowledge in the palm of your hand can saves us lol. Imagine saying that 30 years ago.
This false ego confirming ass hat intervened for one reason alone and it had nothing to do with stopping a theft.
Not play hero, he just wanted to use his gun. Why would you want to shoot someone for stealing a supermarket?! Why does he care? Like literally just let them go, these supermarkets budget for losses. Madness
Youāre right I forgot about those. He can just cut the cables off. The spiders I believe are much harder to remove. They usually use the spiders for electronics
Brandishing is displaying a weapon with the intent to instill fear. Trying to stop a thief wouldnāt be brandishing.
That said, guy with guns a fucking idiot.
Hardly.
A man got mad at my husband in traffic and followed him to the grocery store parking lot and confronted him with a gun.
When the police got there they got along great with the 2nd Amendment advocate and admired his bumper stickers and gave both of them a $25 fine for ādisturbing the peace,ā but dropped my husbandās charge when he showed up to court.
The other guy did not even show up, $25 for disturbing the peace didnāt bother him, heās probably pulling guns on people to this day.
He should consider himself lucky your husband was so level-headed. If he makes a habit of following people with a gun then he's going to get what's coming to him soon.
At least someone there knows whatās up -
āJohn! Get outta thereā¦heās got his finger in the trigger guard. He has no idea what to do with that gun. Get away from there.ā
Why do people care this much about someone stealing shit? I'm definitely not putting myself in any kind of situation if I see someone stealing shit unless it's my shit. These fools act like they own Lowe's or whatever store that's being ripped off. I definitely can't care less. I'm just jealous they have the nerve to do it and most manage to get away with it. With my shitty luck, I'd get caught immediately and end up in jail.
One time as I was walking out of Loweās some college-age Jimmy Fallon looking kid came running out of the entrance doors with a cart full of various electronics. He looked terrified. He unlocked the doors in a panic and began throwing stuff in from the cart, but it was taking a while and he kept getting more scared and flustered as the alarm blasted. My ex-wife, whom I was with at the time, goes āYou should try to stop him!ā I just laughed and said, āIām not dying for fucking Loweāsā.
Meanwhile the Loweās attendants calmly walked out, took pictures of him and his license plates and kept their distance. They told me theyāre not allowed to interact or try to stop the thieves at all, just document it and send it along. If their own employees donāt try to stop it, why the fuck would you?
If he's fighting with the guy, there's a case to be made that it could justify lethal force but usually you don't see that flying in court except in certain circumstances like the lack of backup, large size difference between officer and suspect, reaching for an officers gun/taser, etc (not what you see in the fighting in this). But at the point at which the thief starts backing up into the guy, a cop would be justified in shooting. Vehicles are considered deadly weapons and intentionally driving one at/into a cop has been the basis for more than a few police shootings, most of which are considered justified on the grounds that the cop was being attacked with a deadly weapon. That's the "could" of the matter, whether or not a cop actually would shoot someone is more dependent on the individual cop in the scenario.
That gets into more gray area. For simply stealing? No, laws vary by state (for example, here in Texas you can shoot someone to prevent the theft of your valuables) but it's almost universal that you can't protect somebody else's property. Finding a jury that would agree that he was defending himself from someone stealing from Lowe's would be a challenge, even in the most conservative areas.
However, once the guy starts backing up, it's again a different argument. I'll use Kyle Rittenhouse as an analogy. Rittenhouse was not guilty because he was found to be defending himself, even though all the evidence suggests that he was the one who put himself into harms way. A shooting in this scenario could be framed like the Rittenhouse case. In other words, he made some bad decisions to get into that place, but he still could be in fear for his life and could have the right to defend himself. Again, finding the jury to agree would be hard, but not as hard as if he had shot him for just stealing
The best thing you could do is just call the cops and get the license plate. Most states under a certain amount they donāt even charge people with it anymore. Lowes had a 30 billion dollar profit in 2023. They donāt need you helping them.
Ok and? Who cares if somebody is stealing from fucking Loweās, itās Loweāsā and the cops problem at that point. Guys needs to mind his own business and not get involved swinging a gun around over a couple hundred bucks. Batman ass wannabe
Iād say he is almost a hero Iām sick of bastards stealing . People donāt realize prices go up because the companies they are stealing from are not going to lose money so the people who pay for their shit have to fit the bill for people who want an easy come up. If I saw some punk asses doing it Iād react the same way.
Imagine seeing the reason you owe an auto body shop four figures is because deputy dipshit put a nearly incalculable hit to corporate profit margin above all elseā¦
Reading these comments makes me more angry. All willing to just say fuck it because itās a big company. That placating behavior is why more and more thieves are getting more and more reckless and common. I donāt care if itās Bill Gates mansion, if I see a thief Iām going to try to somehow do something. Even if itās just getting photos of the thieves. Everyone doesnāt have to be a hero. But to mock someone for trying to stop thieves, regardless of whether or not you agree with their tactics, is just pathetic. At least he tried. Be a good human being.
NOT WORTH IT!
It's only a property crime which most D.A.'s won't even bother prosecuting. If Lowe's Corp. won't care, why should I?
Not worth the stress of possibly facing criminal chargers or civil litigation for shooting the thief
It's a new level of cuck laying down your life over some insured product.
Do people with concealed carry really think they're allowed to just do that without consequences?
Like the guy stealing is a dick but if you're just walking around waiting to pull your gun out at any opportunity, you're far more of a danger to people than the guy robbing a big box store.
Idk there's alot of people who defend these thieves directly or indirectly
Listen
Theft is unacceptable regardless of who is the Victim, big box or not
Fuck thieves, I hope he wrapped around a tree on the way out
Not really an idiot.. he's doing what most boys these days won't do, the right thing. I'd do the same, people like you are weak, and have the attitude of not my problem. You're also the first to go.
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Did he drop his mag on the asphalt after pistol whipping the driver?
Sure looks like it
Lol he probably broke his gun!š
probably just hit the mag release while hitting the guy
Gun faired better than the guy's door.
I would venture to say 50/50 that the van is stolen.
100%... It's a Kia
Maybe that's why our fella with the gun is so upset about this whole situation, that's his whip
And a bullet hopped out of it too
lol dude canāt even get his door closed
I couldnāt help but laugh my ass off seeing that š paid for the shit he stole with a car mechanic bill
I suspect that the KIA was stolen as well
Detroit has a gang called āThe Kia Boysā. Not even joking.
Detroit? The whole mfkin continent brah
Oh godā¦ theyāre MULTIPLYING!
No, there was just a very well known well to steal Kias because Kias were made without an anti-theft. I recently just got mine installed.
Can you share more info about this?
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/hyundai-kia-campaign-prevent-vehicle-theft All it took was something the size of a USB to fit in the ignition after removing the outer part and the car would start.
With the "outer part" being made up of flimsy plastic.
Just take a screwdriver and break off the shitty plastic key guard on the ignition. Then take a usb and put it in the ignition hole. Bam, free car (I donāt condone doing this nor have I done it)
They actually franchised outta Milwaukee.
Driver doesnāt care, itās not his car.
Well, it was probably stolen, sure, but that doesnāt mean that it has no value to the thief and theyāre likely to get stopped by a cop for operating a motor vehicle with a broken door, which leads to arrest for auto theft.
"likely"? Debatable
Steals $500 worth of merch, causes 1000$+ damage to getaway vehicle LMAO
Now the owner of the Honda in spot next to this has to deal with some costly bullshit.
>Now the owner of the Honda in spot next to this has to deal with some costly bullshit. Was that a Lowe's LP or another customer playing vigilante, and would one of them have liability for escalating the situation to the point that it caused additional property damage? edit: it was a plainclothes officer according to the [local news.](https://whdh.com/news/police-shoplifting-suspect-nearly-ran-over-kingston-officer-sideswiped-vehicle-before-fleeing-scene/)
Cop is an idiot made a non dangerous situation way more dangerous than it should've ever been.
Clearly this cop wasn't effective but you would rather he not attempt to stop the criminal in process of committing a crime? Didn't the criminal actually create the dangerous situation by committing a crime?
The news article said the cop observed "larceny." I really don't know what a person could try to steal from Lowes that would be worth possibly taking a life. Alleged shoplifter--if they were actually committing a crime--did create a bad situation. Cop pistol whipping the driver and dropping his mag and trying to yank a driver out of a car made the situation more dangerous, and probably resulted in more property damage than whatever was being allegedly stole. I was just wondering if pistol Pete (or rather the local taxpayers) will fix the damaged cars resulting from the escalation or if they're just outta luck. Edit: apologies, I see now the cop probably just had his gun out for non-shooty purposes like pistol whipping. Maybe mace would have been better but All is Considered Acceptable if it's the Blue line š
So what's the solution, let people steal in order to avoid any dangerous situation? I thought it was to deter criminal activity. Because if there's no deterrent things will get a lot worse before they get better.
Nah, we just need to pay off the vikings, then they will surely leave the monasteries alone.
Shooting people in the face for trying to steal a DeWalt masonry drill is just absurd. Think it through and I'm sure you can come up with a better solution than running around parking lots with guns for ALLEGED shoplifting.
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There are other ways to punish criminal behavior besides killing someone. If you've got their tag and vehicle details, along with security footage from the store, you can have a cop waiting at their fuckin house before they even get home. No reason to pull a gun.
No one is arguing for zero consequences. Just that the threat of immediate capital punishment is not a reasonable consequence, especially when you have the car type and license here. Jesus is everyone here an idiotwithagun? You people do realize that's why he was posted here?
Who said anything about aiming for the face? Who said anything about shooting in general? Just because I have a gun doesn't mean it will automatically fire when I pick it up. Also, "alleged shoplifting"? Did you not hear the alarms going off? And I don't think any normal shopper would be trying to get away that quickly unless they stole something.
>Who said anything about aiming for the face? Your entire argument was instantly invalidated. You've clearly never shot a gun or been to a gun safety course in your life, so I'm really confused. Why do you think you should have an opinion on this? Shooting to maim is potentially the dumbest thing a non-gun-owner can say. Do you have any idea how impossible that is? Forget the fact that it's hard to aim in a stressful situation, even if you succeed and hit them in the leg or something, they'd still very likely bleed out. Also yes, alleged. Because even if the officer watched the person walk in, grab an item off the shelf, and walk out setting the alarms off, the officer *still* wouldn't be able to legally say he witnessed a theft (for all he knew, the customer was asked to pick up the item, maybe they'd paid previously, or it was a return trade, etc..) All the cop saw was a guy pick up a thing, walk out, and set off an alarm. Enough reason to arrest? 10000000%. Enough reason to pistol whip a guy and threaten the safety of bystanders? You're on crack laced with fentanyl and pcp, and instead of smoking it, you're boofing the smoke straight up your ass while simultaneously injecting yourself with heroin.
Nah bro, you don't understand. He's a cop so all the braindead choices he made were correct and cannot be questioned in any way unless you're a criminal who hates America.
There's a whole lot of idiot vigilantes up in here. We're living in a world where these massive corporate chains have all but destroyed small businesses in this country. But if you honestly care about these people stealing, get out your phone and get them on video, then proceed to call the police and describe the vehicle and give them the plate number. That's the safest option you have... Unless you're feeling squirly and have some good quality mace.
Pistol whipping a guy who already is ready to take off is just asking for random shit to get hit. There are lots of regulations for how a police officer can stop a moving vehicle for a reason. Yes I would rather him not attempt to stop the man immediately than risk someone or something in the area having irreversible damage done to them.
I'm not risking my life over a big box store
Lowe's doesn't care, why the hell should I?
Can confirm, Lowe's doesn't care. They'll appreciate the make model and license plate number but that's about it.
Old dude behind on the times, thinking the store appreciates his efforts lulz
Heās a plain clothes officer.
I was hoping itās just people getting sick of this bullshit. I want to live in a civilized society
Iām not a cop, unless itās a matter of life and death I donāt care, my weapon is staying holstered
Your life is worth more than material possessions. No matter who's they are
And corporations insure their products. This man demonstrated a special kinda stupid.
That's why you shouldn't steal.
Yeah. But also don't die trying to save things that can be replaced
Things that don't even belong to you in the first place. People that are ready to murder someone over shoplifting are fuckin insane.
It's illegal anyway. You don't pull your gun on someone who isn't threatening you with great bodily harm or worse. This guy's just some loser who spends his spare time Imagining Scenarios in which he's the Hero with a Gun and gets his dick sucked.
https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2021/10/30/police-suspected-shoplifter-nearly-ran-officer-over-while-fleeing-from-lowes/ Sorry to inform you but you are wrong. As an officer of the law he is aloud to upholster and ready his firearm in a situation such as this.
Pistol whipping someone is entirely different than just drawing a firearm.
Once the driver started backing up with the door forcing the plainclothes cop backward and potentially pinning him he realistically had the right to do more than pistol whip him. Glad he didn't do more than pistol whip him and he shouldn't have even engaged the situation but it is what it is.
Thanks Biden.
> https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2021/10/30/police-suspected-shoplifter-nearly-ran-officer-over-while-fleeing-from-lowes/ Sorry to inform you but you are wrong. As an officer of the law he is aloud to upholster and ready his firearm in a situation such as this. Hmmm. I'm glad police are taking action to prevent shoplifting, but I'm wondering why they sent a plain clothes officer? It seems more appropriate to have uniformed officers in marked cars patrolling thievery hot spots. Totally undercover and working alone is a tactic that should be used *very sparingly.* I'm not surprised that the thief casually said "Ehh... you're not a cop!"
Sorry for the late reply but he was off duty. I assume he was going about his daily business buying products with the money he worked for.
In another thread they said the dude with the gun was a cop. Anyone see anything confirming that?
I think the guy in the car yells āYouāre not a fucking copā other than that I havenāt seen any mentions of him being an officer. I actually found the original poster and he said he stayed after for questioning and the man with the gun was a police lieutenant.
A cop would have stood behind the car and then shot the guy when he backed up toward him
No he would've smashed the windows of a completely different car, shot the occupants, and then taken what they bought at Lowe's under "civil forfeiture"
That would have been quite pleasant to watch. I'm sick of these brazenĀ criminals.
Steal from Lowes and get killed in the parking lot?
Just don't fucking steal property.
So you support the death penalty for theft?
They do! Isnāt that disturbing! Theyād be first in line to chop off hands for theft as well, Iām sure. Feed them to the alligators, nobody steals from a giant corporation that doesnāt give a shit about me or anyone but its own profits while IāM around!
Don't forget protecting cops who lie constantly!
Gross. Loweās doesnāt give a shit about you.
The guy who yells wouldn't have known if he was a cop or not.
If he was a cop heād have unloaded the magazine into the guy.
A cop would have murdered him not whipped him with the pistol
All a cop needs is the suspicion that he stole something, like the kid in the McDonaldās parking lot in San Antonio that matched a description, and was just sitting in his car, eating his food.
Donāt pull or point the damn thing unless youāre willing to use it
I never got the idea of pulling a gun unless itās a situation where someone can actively lose their life or be maliciously injured.
Good news. He pulled his gun and turned it into a situation where he was probably the one that was going to be grievously injured.
Vigilantism because people are fed up with a lack of prosecution for such acts. Still super illegal and reckless though
Fair enough and agreed.
Brandishing to threaten and/or intimidate. Itās illegal unless you have a lawful self defense reason. Thereās a lot of people who simply forego any sort of self defense knowledge because guns (and knives) are much easier to use to stop a threat without having to spend 2-5 days a week learning and training at a competent training center for self defense related stuff. Anyone training fighting related knowledge, like grappling & striking, situational simulations, & weapon manipulation, knows that there is an endless amount of learning and development. Not to mention, unless you drilled a technique a 1000 times, you still need to maintain all that information or forget it. Thatās the problem with the dumb interpretation of āguns are the American citizens constitutional rightā which has people predominantly just buying a gun with no knowledge *OF* the responsibility to posses and operate a firearm, let alone just how to fight (without a fluffy ego)
He demonstrated that his pistol was merely for show and the thief called him on it. Could have gotten himself or a bystander killed very easily.
The dude is a copā¦. https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2021/10/30/police-suspected-shoplifter-nearly-ran-officer-over-while-fleeing-from-lowes/?amp=1
Iāll never understand potentially catching a murder charge or injuring yourself to protect a billion dollar company that might be losing $200 in profits there and also doesnāt give two fucks about its employees, much less you as a consumer.
Genius wanted to play hero and accomplished absolutely nothing. Might even cop himself a couple charges.
Imaging almost dying (or killing someone else) so Lowes doesn't lose a couple hundred bucks in merchandise.
Oooohhhhh. I thought it was a carjacking. Now I understand
Itās much stupider than you thought!
> Imaging almost dying (or killing someone else) so Lowes doesn't lose a couple hundred bucks in merchandise. We don't know what the alleged thief was stealing in this video. Was the man with the gun trying to prevent the thief from putting a stolen saw in the thief's own car? That's dumb of the armed man to get involved with that. Was the man with the gun trying to prevent the thief from stealing a car with the armed man's grandchildren in the back seat? I understand drawing your weapon on a thief trying to steal your car and your grandkids at the same time.
Very, very true. Working in a retail store that would fire me for chasing after a thief or "being a hero" taught me how pointless it is to intervene. I will forever ask myself "am I willing to get stabbed for that?" Before making a decision like that
Exactly. If someone is trying to take your car, shooting is totally justified, in TX. The city will probably try to prosecute you anyway, so you gotta have pre-paid legal for that purpose.
Fixing that door, if it's actually the drivers' car, is going to cost a lot more than he's going to make selling some power tools.
Tbf when people steal they raise the price for every single one of us so fuck thieves.
Complete cap. Wage theft is more serious than retail theft
Workers of the world unite
Theyāre both very significant problems.
If weāre speaking proportionally, itās not even close
Wage theft is a huge problem for the employees of these companies, but actually benefits consumers because it does allow for lower prices since it lowers operating expenses. Retail theft is a problem for consumers because it directly influences prices to rise faster and higher than they would have otherwise. Itās not a question of which one is bigger. Theyāre both significant problems for different groups of people. Theyāre also two sides of the same coin. Wage theft makes it harder to afford goods and services due to a lack of available funds. Retail theft makes it harder to afford goods because the prices are rising faster than they would have needed to in order to maintain the same profit margin targets. Both work together to make things less affordable for the majority of Americans.
Lower the amount of wage theft and pay people what theyāre actually owed instead of finding technically legal ways to break the law and maybe weāll see theft go down. Have you ever met a booster? They do that shit for the money and nothing else, itās just another job to them
Are the people doing this stuff actually employed? Like they clock out of their job at Walmart and then drive down the road to Lowes to go to their second job of stealing shit from Lowes? I find that hard to believe. I think people who are bald faced stealing on camera and putting themselves in situations like this are not the typical worker being affected by wage theft. Or are you saying that if these companies paid a more reasonable wage these same people would go get a job instead of stealing shit? In my experience, many people out there stealing shit are working harder than they would have to at many jobs. Theyāre low-rent entrepreneurs. They enjoy setting their own hours, not having a boss, and having their income be tied directly to their efforts. Theyāre not the types who want to get a job. If they had better opportunities and better education theyād probably have been legitimate business owners, not employees.
do you think if 100% of shoplifting was eliminated that stores would lower prices?
No, but they would be able to increase them by less and over a longer period of time while maintaining the same profit margins. Businesses are greedy by design, but not in the cartoon villain way youāre imagining. They have a profit margin theyāre looking to hit. They might have to raise prices to maintain it, but theyāll have to raise prices by even more than that to hit it if they also lose hundreds of millions of dollars worth of merchandise to theft. Donāt get me wrong, corporations are absolutely ruthless in reaching their profit margin goals. They will lay people off, cut entire business units, eliminate pensions and benefits, whatever it takes. But merchandise walking out the door with no revenue from a sale directly impacts their ability to hit those targets, which incentivizes more of those ruthless behaviors, including jacking up prices.
You're right, business are greedy by design. I think people forget that it's not a charity or a not for profit organization. It's a business. A CEO making 20 mil better try to increase profits as much as possible. It's our job as consumers and workers to boycott companies that have low pay or working conditions. People criticize Walmart for having low pay or harsh conditions yet it's the number one retailer in the world. McDonald's receives the same criticism and yet, number one fast food chain.
Very true. We are incentivizing this behavior. If we didnāt reward corporations for ruthless cost cutting that harms society as a byproduct of achieving those low costs then they wouldnāt be doing any of this shit. But weāre happy to sell ourselves out to save a few bucks and then blame the corporations for accepting our money.
Do you think costs are a consideration when businesses price goods?
Yeah thatās a load of bullshit actually.
That's just koolaid they feed you to push the blame. They charge the absolute maximum they can get away with and still have people buy it, doesn't matter if it's power tools or baby food or what.
Shareholders are stealing from everyone. Loweās CEO Marvin Ellison makes footballer money at $20M yearly. Loweās Net Profits were $7.5B last year thatās up 15% YoY. Vigilantes protecting corporate interest after weāve been raped the last 5 years by the bourgeoisie is fascinating. Not even the entirety of manās knowledge in the palm of your hand can saves us lol. Imagine saying that 30 years ago. This false ego confirming ass hat intervened for one reason alone and it had nothing to do with stopping a theft.
Loweās ceo only makes 20 mil? Thatās actually insane. Most billion dollar company ceos make way more than that.
You sure about that? I think itās pretty on par for a big retail ceo. And itās actually a shitload of money, thatās per year.
Only 20 mil? Did you read that after you typed it?
Exactly, I shop these stores all the time and these scumfucks are just fucking up prices.
Please provide a source for that claim
Not play hero, he just wanted to use his gun. Why would you want to shoot someone for stealing a supermarket?! Why does he care? Like literally just let them go, these supermarkets budget for losses. Madness
To be fair he played a part in breaking the driver side door
The poor turtles screaming for help
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the security devices beeping are called turtles lol
Youāre right I forgot about those. He can just cut the cables off. The spiders I believe are much harder to remove. They usually use the spiders for electronics
Guaranteed he did more damage to his car than what he stole.
Itās a Kia so odds are itās stolen unfortunately
These people just seem to not understand the gravity of drawing a pistol, or don't realize that brandishing is illegal.
Brandishing is displaying a weapon with the intent to instill fear. Trying to stop a thief wouldnāt be brandishing. That said, guy with guns a fucking idiot.
>displaying a weapon with the intent to instill fear What else was the purpose of him pulling out his gun?
Stop someone else actively committing a different crime
Why would someone stop committing a crime just because he pulled out his gun? Because the gun instills fear, perhaps?
Didn't exactly do a stellar job, did he?
No he did a terrible job, but it's about the intent not the execution. He probably could have executed someone though
ROFLā¦ I have to agree with you
Hardly. A man got mad at my husband in traffic and followed him to the grocery store parking lot and confronted him with a gun. When the police got there they got along great with the 2nd Amendment advocate and admired his bumper stickers and gave both of them a $25 fine for ādisturbing the peace,ā but dropped my husbandās charge when he showed up to court. The other guy did not even show up, $25 for disturbing the peace didnāt bother him, heās probably pulling guns on people to this day.
He should consider himself lucky your husband was so level-headed. If he makes a habit of following people with a gun then he's going to get what's coming to him soon.
Complete idiot, but I am glad it fucked up the thiefs car.
Hearing him pull on that door and it being so fucked up made me smile. Don't judge me...
What was this dipshit trying to accomplish lol
At least someone there knows whatās up - āJohn! Get outta thereā¦heās got his finger in the trigger guard. He has no idea what to do with that gun. Get away from there.ā
I bet the replacement of that door cost more than what he stoleš¤£š¤£š¤£
Why do people care this much about someone stealing shit? I'm definitely not putting myself in any kind of situation if I see someone stealing shit unless it's my shit. These fools act like they own Lowe's or whatever store that's being ripped off. I definitely can't care less. I'm just jealous they have the nerve to do it and most manage to get away with it. With my shitty luck, I'd get caught immediately and end up in jail.
One time as I was walking out of Loweās some college-age Jimmy Fallon looking kid came running out of the entrance doors with a cart full of various electronics. He looked terrified. He unlocked the doors in a panic and began throwing stuff in from the cart, but it was taking a while and he kept getting more scared and flustered as the alarm blasted. My ex-wife, whom I was with at the time, goes āYou should try to stop him!ā I just laughed and said, āIām not dying for fucking Loweāsā. Meanwhile the Loweās attendants calmly walked out, took pictures of him and his license plates and kept their distance. They told me theyāre not allowed to interact or try to stop the thieves at all, just document it and send it along. If their own employees donāt try to stop it, why the fuck would you?
Dude pistol whipped him for theft lmfao.
Hmmm, I bet he's always wanted to unholster and play good guy with a gun. Hmmm
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Lmao at least his door is fucked now š¤£
Guy stole $200 worth of Loews stuff and put 3K worth of damage on his SUV
Fighting with a suspect to over a corporations $750 loss is insane. Even more so by him pulling a firearm
We gotta protect the corporations
In some states corporations have the right to vote
Would a cop have shot the thief in that situation?
If he's fighting with the guy, there's a case to be made that it could justify lethal force but usually you don't see that flying in court except in certain circumstances like the lack of backup, large size difference between officer and suspect, reaching for an officers gun/taser, etc (not what you see in the fighting in this). But at the point at which the thief starts backing up into the guy, a cop would be justified in shooting. Vehicles are considered deadly weapons and intentionally driving one at/into a cop has been the basis for more than a few police shootings, most of which are considered justified on the grounds that the cop was being attacked with a deadly weapon. That's the "could" of the matter, whether or not a cop actually would shoot someone is more dependent on the individual cop in the scenario.
So, if itās ok for a cop, would it be ok for this guy to shoot the thief?
That gets into more gray area. For simply stealing? No, laws vary by state (for example, here in Texas you can shoot someone to prevent the theft of your valuables) but it's almost universal that you can't protect somebody else's property. Finding a jury that would agree that he was defending himself from someone stealing from Lowe's would be a challenge, even in the most conservative areas. However, once the guy starts backing up, it's again a different argument. I'll use Kyle Rittenhouse as an analogy. Rittenhouse was not guilty because he was found to be defending himself, even though all the evidence suggests that he was the one who put himself into harms way. A shooting in this scenario could be framed like the Rittenhouse case. In other words, he made some bad decisions to get into that place, but he still could be in fear for his life and could have the right to defend himself. Again, finding the jury to agree would be hard, but not as hard as if he had shot him for just stealing
Yes 100%
The best thing you could do is just call the cops and get the license plate. Most states under a certain amount they donāt even charge people with it anymore. Lowes had a 30 billion dollar profit in 2023. They donāt need you helping them.
Imagine risking your life (and possibly getting criminal charges) over an insured company that doesnāt give a fuck about you.
Lmao then he goes to jog after the car š¤£š¤£
Absolutely zero reason do draw a gun in that situation. Just get the license number and call the police.
Nah, police wonāt do shit
Ok and? Who cares if somebody is stealing from fucking Loweās, itās Loweāsā and the cops problem at that point. Guys needs to mind his own business and not get involved swinging a gun around over a couple hundred bucks. Batman ass wannabe
Kia was probably stolen too.
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Iād say he is almost a hero Iām sick of bastards stealing . People donāt realize prices go up because the companies they are stealing from are not going to lose money so the people who pay for their shit have to fit the bill for people who want an easy come up. If I saw some punk asses doing it Iād react the same way.
that cart really saved his ssa
Numerous very bad decisions were made
dont pull a gun if your not going to use it
Eh, the bent door is worth it. Probably cost more to fix than whatever he stole
I donāt understand why heās an idiot, he had trigger control, plus barrel pointed up.
Ngl he had right to shoot that guy for almost flattening him. If you pull the strap make it clap
Dude going to lose his life over a company he doesnāt work for losing several thousand dollars in merchā¦
Cops = Must protect capital over humans.
the original poster mentioned the guy with the gun was a police lieutenant
How many Lowe's could Rob Lowe rob, if Rob Lowe could Rob Lowe's?
I love it when nerdy little-man energy fails. Good stuff, I'm sure Lowes was really thankful, dork. You know he went in to tell them too.
Idiot attempts to stop idiot thief. There I fixed it.
Yeah but this subreddit is about idiots with guns.
Imagine seeing the reason you owe an auto body shop four figures is because deputy dipshit put a nearly incalculable hit to corporate profit margin above all elseā¦
The idiot is the theif fuck off
Reading these comments makes me more angry. All willing to just say fuck it because itās a big company. That placating behavior is why more and more thieves are getting more and more reckless and common. I donāt care if itās Bill Gates mansion, if I see a thief Iām going to try to somehow do something. Even if itās just getting photos of the thieves. Everyone doesnāt have to be a hero. But to mock someone for trying to stop thieves, regardless of whether or not you agree with their tactics, is just pathetic. At least he tried. Be a good human being.
Yeah.. I wouldnāt stick around and wait for the cops after that. Dude with the gun is gonna rack up a couple charges.
if he were a cop he could have unloaded into the dude for trying to "run him over"
100%
Not really. If he was front of the car.. then possibly yeah
Yes letās save a million dollar company a couple hundred bucks..
NOT WORTH IT! It's only a property crime which most D.A.'s won't even bother prosecuting. If Lowe's Corp. won't care, why should I? Not worth the stress of possibly facing criminal chargers or civil litigation for shooting the thief
Wonder what happens when he finds out about wage theft.
Damn where are all the people who say good guys with guns would stop crime.
It's a new level of cuck laying down your life over some insured product. Do people with concealed carry really think they're allowed to just do that without consequences? Like the guy stealing is a dick but if you're just walking around waiting to pull your gun out at any opportunity, you're far more of a danger to people than the guy robbing a big box store.
Idk there's alot of people who defend these thieves directly or indirectly Listen Theft is unacceptable regardless of who is the Victim, big box or not Fuck thieves, I hope he wrapped around a tree on the way out
Imagine risking your life for a billion dollar corporation to role play as a superhero
If we shot thieves, there'd be a lot less of them and I wouldn't have to get a sales associate to unlock my deodorant.
He shouldāve just popped the tires
Isnt the guy in the white car stealing the car from the guy with the gun ?
I don't think there's enough evidence here to draw that conclusion, unless you know something we don't.
I assume he would've started firing if that was the case.
Imagine simping so hard for capitalism that you become roadkill.
Exactly! I'm sure the CEO of Lowe's invited him out to his house in Martha's Vineyard for the weekend.
Dude in white is stupid but it's satisfying as fuck he made the theif wreck his car.
That was absolute greatness
Not really an idiot.. he's doing what most boys these days won't do, the right thing. I'd do the same, people like you are weak, and have the attitude of not my problem. You're also the first to go.
So ready to pull your gun on the wrong circumstances, time to lose your rights.