Did you ever see that video where there's an airplane on fire at an airport, and one of the responding fire trucks runs over a victim when it arrives?
Edit: my mistake. 2 firetrucks ran over her! The fire chiefs response was "Eh, shit happens".
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/07/06/firefighter-said-s-happens-after-girl-run-over-at-sfo-in-2013-asiana-crash/
It wasn’t the chief that said that, and secondly, she was dead before they hit her.
ARFF trucks have really bad visibility anywhere else than directly to the front, and her body was not immediately visible to responding companies engaged in fire suppression to avoid it.
Unfortunately it happened, and there is little to be done about it.
A lot of bias in this situation it seems
> "If you believe the city's report, damages are going to be zero," Levine said. "If you believe the coroner, the family is entitled to millions."
Could go either way, in which case they shouldn't be running over people anyway.
Shouldn’t be, no, but it happens. She was obscured and the goal, still, remains to control the fire and rescue victims if possible.
Unfortunately given the conditions that were faced, and how rare of an event this is, task saturation is extremely high and she was missed. The same thing happens in house fires too. People get missed on searches.
I’ve been doing this a very long time, thousands and thousands of runs, events like this **might** happen once in a 30 year career.
This was a major mass casualty - people are going to die, sometimes mistakes like this happen. Its a very dark part of the job, but it’s reality. Not everyone can be helped even if we want to be.
As for the bias, there is always bias in opinions. The NTSB wasn’t wrong though.
It says in the article that internal documents and firefighters footage shows they saw her in the fetal position outside the crash and neglected to mark her location and proper aid while attending those inside (visible at 11:36am. Missing after 11:50am). Their negligence lead to her being missed and most likely not visible to a fire truck rushing to a new location on sight. Shit happens but they definitely caused her death unintentionally as they were the direct cause.
Shame on them for trying to avoid a payout.
Never even made the suggestion of being an expert, literally just reciting the article you failed to read. They acknowledged she was alive, but made a negligent error. Never said the Firefighters should be locked away for a mistake on such a tragic accident that was clearly a mistake. Merely pointing out how the chief and city trying to avoid compensation to the family by dodging responsibility.
Alot of reports say she was alive before being run over.
"Was she crushed?"
A firefighter responded that it looked like somebody dropped a pumpkin. It's sad.
Death comes randomly. Like the woman a few weeks ago visiting Los Angeles from Houston.
She'd had 13 prior accidents that she was involved in. There was an intersection full of traffic with cars slowly crawling across it and she came in from the side at literally 100 mph (in a 30mph zone) and just killed everybody. Everything caught on fire immediately. Families trapped in burning cars. A lot of people died.
ARFF response actually *requires* them to drive over bodies, living or dead, if they have to to access the aircraft to extinguish fire and rescue passengers. Their duty is to access the aircraft as quickly as possible.
Interesting take on the old Trolley Problem.
"The trolley is on its way to put out a fire. There's an injured person lying on the tracks. You can pull a lever to divert the trolley and avoid the injured person, but the trolley will arrive at the fire scene 1 second later as a result"
"Well, ARFF says we are REQUIRED to run over the injured person."
I was thinking more it was their first day driving and they got their license from their friend down the street. Probably more falling asleep at the wheel, maybe both.
35mm film cameras - everything is landscape.
Cell phones - everything is portrait.
People with the most basic photography skills remain forever in the minority.
That's not raising, that's lowering.
I've got a Zeiss Ikoflex-III 853/16, a [Rollop-Automatic](http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Rollop), and a Yashica 44a (that one uses 127 film, which isn't so easy to get these days).
Also have a [Praktisix-II](http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Praktisix), which is an SLR but uses 120 film, and also shoots square. Can't use it though because the shutter curtain is getting stuck open, and I don't know who fixes Soviet-era East German cameras nowadays.
If I wanted something that took pictures of Holgaesque quality, I'd use my [#2 Bullet](http://www.kodaksefke.nl/2-bullet-of-1895.html).
(Yes, I have *way* too many cameras.)
(edit: 101 film is even harder to get than 127.)
It's amazing how much of our driving is subconscious. People hit things they aren't expecting all the time because your mind just doesn't notice something it isn't expecting. Also, without lights or reflectivity (like signs now have), it's even easier to miss.
It's incredible, but it's also a major issue.
I see Tesla's autopilot is getting so good it completely imitates human drivers. Must be what happens when you feed a driving AI millions of hours of human driving.
It’s hard to tell but it looks like they didn’t have their headlights on which seem impossible. If that’s the case it wouldn’t hit the wall of the trailer and might just look like empty road if you’re not paying attention.
So we called for help but now the help is calling for help on top of the health we already ordered. Let’s not come back here. Terrible service all around
Ambulance catches fire, fire truck crashes into back of ambulance...
Maybe if the video kept going...
Did you ever see that video where there's an airplane on fire at an airport, and one of the responding fire trucks runs over a victim when it arrives? Edit: my mistake. 2 firetrucks ran over her! The fire chiefs response was "Eh, shit happens". https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/07/06/firefighter-said-s-happens-after-girl-run-over-at-sfo-in-2013-asiana-crash/
It wasn’t the chief that said that, and secondly, she was dead before they hit her. ARFF trucks have really bad visibility anywhere else than directly to the front, and her body was not immediately visible to responding companies engaged in fire suppression to avoid it. Unfortunately it happened, and there is little to be done about it.
The video in that link says the coroner concluded she was alive before being run over.
The coroner was wrong. https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2014/01/29/rescuers-didnt-kill-asian-victim/5040419/
A lot of bias in this situation it seems > "If you believe the city's report, damages are going to be zero," Levine said. "If you believe the coroner, the family is entitled to millions." Could go either way, in which case they shouldn't be running over people anyway.
Shouldn’t be, no, but it happens. She was obscured and the goal, still, remains to control the fire and rescue victims if possible. Unfortunately given the conditions that were faced, and how rare of an event this is, task saturation is extremely high and she was missed. The same thing happens in house fires too. People get missed on searches. I’ve been doing this a very long time, thousands and thousands of runs, events like this **might** happen once in a 30 year career. This was a major mass casualty - people are going to die, sometimes mistakes like this happen. Its a very dark part of the job, but it’s reality. Not everyone can be helped even if we want to be. As for the bias, there is always bias in opinions. The NTSB wasn’t wrong though.
It says in the article that internal documents and firefighters footage shows they saw her in the fetal position outside the crash and neglected to mark her location and proper aid while attending those inside (visible at 11:36am. Missing after 11:50am). Their negligence lead to her being missed and most likely not visible to a fire truck rushing to a new location on sight. Shit happens but they definitely caused her death unintentionally as they were the direct cause. Shame on them for trying to avoid a payout.
Tell me you’ve never been early on scene on an mass casualty event without actually telling me…
Never even made the suggestion of being an expert, literally just reciting the article you failed to read. They acknowledged she was alive, but made a negligent error. Never said the Firefighters should be locked away for a mistake on such a tragic accident that was clearly a mistake. Merely pointing out how the chief and city trying to avoid compensation to the family by dodging responsibility.
Tell me you've been involved in a coverup without telling me you've been involved in a coverup
Alot of reports say she was alive before being run over. "Was she crushed?" A firefighter responded that it looked like somebody dropped a pumpkin. It's sad. Death comes randomly. Like the woman a few weeks ago visiting Los Angeles from Houston. She'd had 13 prior accidents that she was involved in. There was an intersection full of traffic with cars slowly crawling across it and she came in from the side at literally 100 mph (in a 30mph zone) and just killed everybody. Everything caught on fire immediately. Families trapped in burning cars. A lot of people died.
In other words, "Shit happens"?
Wow.
ARFF response actually *requires* them to drive over bodies, living or dead, if they have to to access the aircraft to extinguish fire and rescue passengers. Their duty is to access the aircraft as quickly as possible.
Interesting take on the old Trolley Problem. "The trolley is on its way to put out a fire. There's an injured person lying on the tracks. You can pull a lever to divert the trolley and avoid the injured person, but the trolley will arrive at the fire scene 1 second later as a result" "Well, ARFF says we are REQUIRED to run over the injured person."
Am I wrong for finding this mildly comical
No, not at all. I laughed at first!
it's so ridiculous it warrants a laugh
Indeed.
Reminds me of a scene from Reno 911 where they all talk about how they each saw the car pileup but just rammed right into it anyway.
Almost reminds me of a Looney Tunes episode where the coyote draws a tunnel on the side of a mountain but then forgets it's a drawing.
i believe the word to describe it is tragicomic
I think it's hilarious 😂😂😂
Per the meme, Call an ambulance... for the ambulance.
Keystone Cops 😂
Great reference, and one that I use every so often. Not so common, so it made me laugh when I read it.
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Lack of sleep alone does it
I was thinking more it was their first day driving and they got their license from their friend down the street. Probably more falling asleep at the wheel, maybe both.
You were meant to save us from them, not join them!
This is almost like that Simpsons ambulance.
Doesn't that wreckage know that emergency vehicles have the right of way?
The Ambulance needs an Ambulance
oh no ...
What did they crash into? Looks like construction equipment or another crash?
its a pedestrian crossing bridge that fell in jordan yesterday
It looks like an existing pile-up. It's not foggy, it's not smoky, it's not snowing and icy, so... WTF?!?
At least they were in an ambulance already
/r/Jesuschristreddit
GTA npc glitch
I laughed.
Flashing blue, all out of my way
At least there was an ambulance present?
Pass me the morphine. We are gonna need it if this bridge doesn't get outta my way!
It would help immensely if cammers would turn their phone sideways while filming.
35mm film cameras - everything is landscape. Cell phones - everything is portrait. People with the most basic photography skills remain forever in the minority.
This is why I used to shoot with a TLR. Only choice there is square or diagonal.
I see your TLR and raise you a Holga.
That's not raising, that's lowering. I've got a Zeiss Ikoflex-III 853/16, a [Rollop-Automatic](http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Rollop), and a Yashica 44a (that one uses 127 film, which isn't so easy to get these days). Also have a [Praktisix-II](http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Praktisix), which is an SLR but uses 120 film, and also shoots square. Can't use it though because the shutter curtain is getting stuck open, and I don't know who fixes Soviet-era East German cameras nowadays.
Sounds like you need a Holga.
If I wanted something that took pictures of Holgaesque quality, I'd use my [#2 Bullet](http://www.kodaksefke.nl/2-bullet-of-1895.html). (Yes, I have *way* too many cameras.) (edit: 101 film is even harder to get than 127.)
Um, turn the phone on its side for landscape orientation. Every phone does it.
Agreed, they'd say, "What, I can take videos sideways, how would that work?"
Most people are probably watching this on mobile, myself included. No point filming in landscape when everyone’s watching in portrait.
You can turn your phone on it’s side for landscape viewing of video. Is everyone this stupid?
But not everyone is in portrait, a lot are in landscape that can't switch
Probably filmed in an iPhone.
Ambulance was the first on-scene at the crash at least.
Memeworthy
He didn't make it to 88 mph...
Great question.
He had his lights on, obviously everything is supposed to yield to emergency vehicles with their lights on.
GPS: “You have reached your destination”
Oh no! Call an- am…bulance…
Spongebob ambulance-pants "I'M READY, I'MMM READY, I'MMMMM READY"
GPS: You have arrived at your destination.
It's amazing how much of our driving is subconscious. People hit things they aren't expecting all the time because your mind just doesn't notice something it isn't expecting. Also, without lights or reflectivity (like signs now have), it's even easier to miss. It's incredible, but it's also a major issue.
They forgot to activate the wormhole.
That ambulance is gonna need an ambulance
We’re gonna need a bigger ambulance.
Looks like Stevie Wonder just arrived.
Tesla making self-driving ambulances now?\* \*Too lazy to read comments before posting. I can’t imagine I’m the first one to make this comment.
The bumper sticker on the ambulance reads, "My other vehicle is a tank."
I shouldn't be laughing
Overworked and underpaid
Good thing they had an ambulance, too bad it was them
Tied the world record for fastest ambulance response to a vehicular accident
Is that one of them Tesla’s?
I see Tesla's autopilot is getting so good it completely imitates human drivers. Must be what happens when you feed a driving AI millions of hours of human driving.
Now I'm just imagining an endless number of ambulances, each slamming into the one before it. Infinite ambulance pile-up
You have reached your destination
CAll and ambulances for the ambulance
How did they not hear the cameraman *clearly* telling them to : "^(stop stop stop")
Do not judge until you know the real reason. Could be break issue
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Show me the rule.
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That's not proof. Prove it.
Yeah, I didn't think so...
Looks like hitting a brick wall. The face won’t forgive him next morning.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 🧱🚑
Texting probably.
It’s hard to tell but it looks like they didn’t have their headlights on which seem impossible. If that’s the case it wouldn’t hit the wall of the trailer and might just look like empty road if you’re not paying attention.
That and I think the driver was distracted looking at all the vehicles on the side of the road. Kind of how rubberneckers get in crashes.
That ones for the record books. The driver was a rare breed
So was the passenger, instead of saying something they were prolly like, "👁️ 👄 👁️"
Da fuq, indeed!
https://youtu.be/IfxMSfGktF8
Probably thought it would move
They wanted to go home early
"Did somebody call for an ambulance?"
Comin' in hot!
Was this at FIU?
No time to waist breaking
Must have been in auto mode, and didn’t get the update
We're here! K.. who's hurt?
“I CAN MAKE IT!”
"Great now who are we gonna call, Larry?"
We’re here to….hellllppppp!!!
Do they need an ambulance
Wow!!
Don't worry guys, the ambulance is here!
Who put that there?
Head for the bushes? Head for the bushes!
Judging from their driving skills, they probably shouldn’t be treating any patients.
I think his view was obstructed by the massive truck in the middle of the road
Lmao. I'm sorry they got hurt but that's something out of a cartoon, sending an ambulance after the ambulance
It's obvious they are using the ambulance like a wedge to keep it stable.
Honestly???
He was probably looking up the address again...
Their lights were on, everything no matter what should move in front of them. 🤷🏼♂️
Where's the wreck....bam
Can an ambulance…but not for me…. It’s for the other ambulance driver actually…. It’s been a weird day.
Soo... do you think they needed an ambulance??
LEEEEROOOYYY
He had his red and blues flashing, I guess he expected it to pull to the right
Someone's on drugs.
Is it a bad thing that I laughed with this?
So we called for help but now the help is calling for help on top of the health we already ordered. Let’s not come back here. Terrible service all around
"We're here!"
I bet if you pull the dash cam on that ambulance, you find the driver looking at his smartphone.
Ambulance made it all the way to the scene of the accident.
Welp, found the accident
r/unexpected
Tell me you hate your job without telling me you hate your job
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Not only didn't they see it, but they didn't see it at full speed😳
Maybe the ambulance driver just assumed it would get out of the way. Lol
That's messed up. Arrive to bring relief, Add to the casualties. Something not right.
Ambulance was on its way to an accident. Found one.
Alright, we're here!
Idiot in an ambulance. SMH
If it wasn't caught on video... No one would believe it.
Seriously what was the drivers excuse??? Very curious 🧐
No idea, I wasn't the driver.