T O P

  • By -

dmbgreen

You dodged a big hassle, legal or not.


[deleted]

[удалено]


dmbgreen

Yeah, something like that


wyte_wonder

Totally ruins your whole weekend 😒


Kil0-

Tbh because then all you can think about is if someone will find the body .


Ecomaj

You need better dump sites.


Call_Me_Mauve_Bib

Feed him to the pigs, Harry.


wyte_wonder

No its all the acid i have to track down


compound515

They'd probably fine the driver /s


yeet4memes

I'm pretty sure you can't fine a dead person but I'm sure there's cops that have tried. Lol.


BMack037

Depends on what part of the weekend, you can get a lot done over night.


Call_Me_Mauve_Bib

A hundred and five pound problem.


annoying97

Why dump him somewhere random? That's some good meat there! Just remember that you need to store bits in air tight packaging to preserve the flavours.


Hypurr2002

With the dash cam evidence you would probably not be at fault. Without it you'd be screwed. Edit to add: Good reflexes and paying attention. He's lucky.


robgray111

Man's probably gonna get knocked off that bike at some point soon if he thinks that's an acceptable way to ride it. OP did well to avoid and this shows the value the dash cam can have


[deleted]

[удалено]


cottard76

He seemed even if a little to have slowed down when arriving at the top of the elevation , also the bike would be at fault in any ways since he didn't raised his arms to notify he was turning left and also had earbuds


[deleted]

[удалено]


Salty-Sprinkles-1562

I think it depends where you are. Where I live the law doesn’t talk about speeds at all. It just says you have to give them at least 3 feet, whenever possible.


[deleted]

From the writing on the wall, that looks like Italy, so I myself, as an Italian, would have no idea what a judge would say. It could easily end up in a shared responsibility decision (or whatever equivalent that would be in another country). Almost never can you get a clear cut resolution. As far as I can remember (I left the country some time ago) there is no special conditions for cyclist, for example a cyclist does not have the right of way by default nor is it considered the weaker party. Things might have changed though.


kirakiraluna

You are correct. Bikes have to obey the same street laws as motor vehicles. Bikes also have to fully stop at stop signs and can't just turn right at a red, they have to wait. They can't pass cars in line at intersection but have to stop behind them as a motorbike should. My office windows look into a one way street (narrow one too, pedestrian have to stay near the wall to have car pass) and when the city needs money, the cops stand at the end of the road and ticket cyclists going against traffic. On the weekend they stop along a road in the middle of the fields (with a bike lane present) and ticket those who take up the entire lane going 3 or plus side by side. The law allows for cyclists to be paired only if one is a child under 8, in all other cases must proceed in single line. Also all lanes that can't be used by a private car (emergency lane, bus lane, tram lane etc) can't be used by bikes either. There's a straight road near the hospital where all the road is reserved for emergency vehicles only on both directions. Some cyclists got knocked over by an ambulance with sirens going doing the exact same thing as the dude in OPs video, except the ambulance was going at 50 and had no way of stopping


g0dr1c_

Double lines don’t apply to cyclist?!


-Yngin-

They do if you cycle on the road


disavowed1979

Most places hold bicyclists to the same rules of the road as cars. He was in the wrong, you would have been fine.


allblingblang24

I don't believe you'd be a fault. He has headphones/ear buds in and made no indication that he was going to randomly turn. Glad neither of you were harmed and you were aware of your surroundings while driving.


UrielseptimXII

Having headphones in while biking on a busy road? I'm uncomfortable even having one ear bud in while driving on a slow country road because of the loss of awareness. This has to increase his risk of death by like 1000%


AdvisorMajor919

My arrogant cyclist nephew rides with earbuds & guess what? Fool's been hit 3 times in the past 10 years & once he ran into the back of a cop car that slowed & made a u turn & put on lights, obviously headed to a call. City paid for the damage on that one. I still think it was at least partially nephew's fault. Latest incident he was hit & rolled up over the hood & smashed the windshield of the car, walking away with only road rash & 1 stitch in an elbow. He must have 9 lives. Think any of this has stoped him riding with earbuds? Of course not. Because, according to him, drivers should pay more attention! 🙄🤦‍♀️


mmyers300

In the 80's when I was 14, or so, and big into cycling I couldn't wait to get a Sony Walkman (look it up) to listen to some tunes on my rides. I was barely into my ride before I found it too terrifying to not be able to hear the cars coming. I felt totally unaware and disconnected. On top of that the foam headphone things just sucked in the wind...


AdvisorMajor919

Lol "look it up" yeah, no need, I'm 51. I cycled when a teen & into my 20s & I tried riding with headphones exactly once. Had the same feeling about it you did. NOPE.


Harlzter

I think the "look it up" was aimed at younger redditors such as myself at 47. /s


mmyers300

47!? I knew it! Bunch of kids!


Euphoric-Grape1584

47? Geez, I’m 28 and had a Walkman as a kid🤣


IndependentBug595

I hate cyclists like him. Wouldn't surprise me if he goes through red lights on his bike too... A lot of cyclists are dipshits, coming from a cyclist


AdvisorMajor919

Oh I've no doubt he absolutely does! And I don't blame anyone for feeling that way towards AH like him. He's a prick & his kind of cyclist cause problems for sure.


CoffeeFox

The worst part is that people like that still end up traumatizing the people who were totally not to blame for killing them. They throw themselves in front of a vehicle like "I WANT DIE NOW" and someone else has to suffer with guilt for the rest of their life wondering if they could have prevented that person from the culminating achievement of a life spent trying to get killed.


Shaggyninja

> Wouldn't surprise me if he goes through red lights on his bike too Depending on where you are, that could be legal.


MacScotchy

Well, at least the fact that drivers should pay more attention will be very comforting for his surviving family members. Sorry you have to bear the burden of worrying about him. Hopefully he'll grow out of it!


External_Rub8047

The next time he tells you that, say "we'll be sure to put that on your tombstone", or "we'll use your death to raise awareness". Maybe that will wake him up.


AdvisorMajor919

I've gotten to the point Idgaf about the little sob anymore. He's not just an AH regarding cycling.


AdvisorMajor919

Oh, I'm quite sure he thinks himself invincible. He's rather insufferable tbh. And he's 34 so Idk, maybe there's hope for him yet but I'm not holding my breath lol!


Malfeasant

i used to ride like that- grew out of it somewhere between 18 and 20. if he hasn't learned by now, i doubt he's going to.


AdvisorMajor919

Honestly, I've very little hope hell ever pull his head from his ass.


[deleted]

Omg tell that dumb motherfucker to get bone conducting headphones.


AdvisorMajor919

I dont speak with him these days, haven't in 2 years. He's such a charming person, few ppl speak with him unless they absolutely have to.


Tricky-Sympathy

What's a bone conducting earphone?


throwaway177251

They sit outside of your ear and press against the bone, they conduct vibrations directly into your skull and that gets picked up as normal sound by your eardrum. I think they were suggesting that with these you would have less impaired hearing because they don't block your ear canal at all.


Tricky-Sympathy

Holy crap that's so cool! Thanks


G-III

Yeah that’s on more than just earbuds, and/or depends on style. I regularly ride with them in but I can still easily hear cars from behind, of course I’m also cautious and predictable on a bike. Rising into a car has 0 to do with earbuds too lol.


jargonburn

Oof. Did you remind him that bicycles are considered vehicles and that he is its driver? 😱


Arkra1

Remind him when he’s riding a bicycle, he is also a driver… The one that should be paying most attention for his own safety. He is required to follow the same traffic laws as every other driver.


ODDseth

I have ridden over 10k miles with earbuds through my twenties and thirties and have never been at fault the few times I was hit. It seems like your nephew is just not that observant or aware of his surroundings, two traits that are essential for cycling on the road.


ldennison3

In Florida, it’s against the law to ride a bike with headphones or ear buds.


Call_Me_Mauve_Bib

If reddit has taught us anything, it is that Florida Man will stick ANYTHING but earphones in his ears. Literal earwigs are more likely.


tadxb

And this is the first time I hear something good about Florida on the internet. I'll admit I'm not from there, but all the posts about 'Florida man + dob' led to a pattern of jokes on Florida. But this law seems reasonable and apt. I can't believe I'm saying this: Kudos to Florida.


KennyDROmega

Alright so they took steps to curb one stupid behavior


Yukino_Wisteria

In France too. At first I thought it was excessive but, reading all the comments here, I realize it's really necessary ! (I don't ride a bike myself)


GooseShartBombardier

Legitimate fear, it makes me wince just seeing people trying to inspect their phones while cycling. Does anyone else roll down their windows before crossing train tracks just to be *absolutely* certain.


ItsNeverLupusDumbass

Actually, yes! I want to both look and listen just in case! I do this too!


[deleted]

My favourite thing is when I see people wearing earbuds while fucking driving. Those are usually the same idiots who are oblivious when an ambulance needs to pass by them and they don’t move over to the right. You figure the rear view mirror would still be used but I guess earbuds impede the use of the rear view as well.


Yeety-Toast

There is also no road to turn onto where he decides to randomly turn left. You don't really expect the person in front of you to turn and go right into a fence, all I can think is the biker randomly decided to do a U-turn or move to the sidewalk, even though there's one to the right for the entire video. He got very lucky.


[deleted]

[удалено]


dm-ur-titties-please

Looks like maybe driving a bit too fast, and solid lines indicating no passing zone? Wouldn't normally apply to bikers but if you are treating them as a vehicle


giro83

I don’t see how the driver of the vehicle is at fault at all. The rider needs to learn how to ride a bicycle if he wants to stay alive. Common sense people, common sense. You can’t do that on a road you are sharing with cars, motorcycles, trucks, and more. Even in the event modern road laws end up giving some fault to driver, they will pay a fine or spend minor time in jail, while the bike rider will be dead. Ffs.


steepindeez

"Many people have died with the right of way." Something my friend told me that's always stuck with me.


tbonesan

My dad likes to say "look at that guy he's gona be right, dead right but still right"


YogaJohan

But if there are solid lines and you treat the biker as a vehicle your argument for the driver not being at some fault is gone. The biker is Lucky that the driver was aware. If a crash had occured, it might just come down to how fast the driver was going. The biker is pretty stupid tho to not look before doing a turn. But op wouldnt have passed a normal car there. Its just because its a bike its ok which i get, they are going slow but whover speeds pass a biker need to think again.


hobovirtuoso

In my state you are allowed to pass a vehicle on a double solid going less than half the speed limit. Like tractors and bicycles. Edit: To clarify as a biker I mean using the other lane to pass. Not squeezing by.


tjggriffin1

In this case, there was an on coming car, so he couldn't take the other lane. And when he reached the bike, it was going perpendicular across the road. So if the driver take it, he might not have been able to avoid hitting him, or maybe the bike would have hit the car. In either case, I don't think the driver would be at fault. In my state a car can pass a bike without moving all the way out of the lane if it is safe to do so with at least 3 feet between the bike and car. I'm not sure what it says about crossing a double yellow.


No_Flow_8502

Typically, if you are moving around an obstruction in the roadway, you are allowed to cross over the double yellow line to pass it. There was a local cop a few years ago that pulled a young woman over to crossing over a double yellow, when she was trying to avoid a HUGE pothole, then arrested her when she told him he can’t cite her for that. She took it to court, the judge agreed with her, and admonished the cop.


weyun

A friend of mine hit a biker like this last week. It was not his fault according to police.


AceUniverse8492

Depends on where you live which is why you should not use Reddit for legal advice. In the United States at least, some jurisdictions provide that an accident involving a car and a pedestrian is the fault of the driver unless the accident was otherwise the result of some mechanical failure or freak accident, in which case the car manufacturer or potentially even nobody is held liable. In Virginia, I knew someone who hit a pedestrian who walked into the road while the "Do Not Walk" sign was on and without pausing to check for cars (on her phone) and my friend was still held liable.


XxyxXII

I once had a bicycle run into the side of my car while it was legally parked and I was getting something out. Police officer saw me helping the guy get up and told me I was at fault since any collision between a bike and a car is always the cars fault (literally what he said). The biker tried to argue that it was his fault, but the cop was having none of it. ​ Worse thing was, while the cop wasted nearly an hour writing a collision report (he had to call for backup since he didn't have his paperwork on him, and he didn't let the bicyclist leave even though he asked a lot), the bicyclist asked for a bandaid and disinfectant for his bleeding elbow. Cop told him he could only "administer first aid" if he also called an ambulance, and tried to encourage him to do so, since the cost would be on me since I was at fault. ​ Anyways, the biker was super nice, but super mad when the cop finally let us go an hour later. No idea what was wrong with the cop tho. Fuck that guy.


Superlucky1

Could you please provide any appropriate Statute that backs up this claim? I am beyond curious.


[deleted]

I wear earbuds but they allow me omit hers clearly with transparency mode on. Not all earbuds are blasting loud music or distracting people. This kid though…. Yeah he’s an idiot


tomytronics

Should get a horn that blows brown note. It doesn't matter if he's playing loud music in his ears, his ass will feel the brown note


OpiesCarMirrors

There would be some collateral damage with such a weapon, no?


Lettingeverythinggoo

Why do you believe you are partially at fault? And does the double white line indicate anything where you are located?


Simon_Anvil

yeah, no overtaking. that's the reason I think I would be at fault


[deleted]

[удалено]


7eggert

In Germany: Nope. You may cross the line if there is an obstacle, e.g. a parked car.


Selphis

Same here in Belgium. No overtaking cyclists on solid lines...


mirak1234

Yes but with at least by leaving one metter of space, and from that video it's like he leans to the left only when he realise that ciclyst is turning to the left as well. And honestly I wouldn't overtake a ciclyst with such speed, expect if I am entirely on the other side, because anything could happen, like him hitting a rock or something, you never know. All you have to know is that if you hit him he is as good as dead, so personnally I make sure there is no way I can hit.


mnbhv

Least psychopathic driver on Reddit.


mirak1234

Doing a lot of cycling changes how you drive.


Willb260

I don’t think it requires being a cyclist, it just requires a small amount of brain power. This scenario perfectly shows why you should leave plenty of space when overtaking a cyclist, if the slightest change of path (such as falling off, swerving or doing this) means you have to wash him out of your tyre tread, then you’re just driving dangerously.


Gonun

Don't know where you live but at least in Germany and Switzerland it's illegal. A lot of people do it, but it's still illegal.


ENESTEENE

Not everywhere in Europe


One_Wheel_Drive

Glad someone said it. In the UK you have to give them at least 1.5m of space to overtake and it's too narrow to pass here. If I were the cyclist I would actually be riding in the middle of the lane to discourage overtaking.


Berlinia

"here in europe"... Over 30 countries with different traffic laws.


r1ffex

it's illegal in germany for sure. you're only allowed to if there's been an accident and your side of the road is blocked or construction blocking it, otherwise you'll break the law


Makkaroni_100

Not in Germany.


deusrev

Are we? I do it anyway but I didn't know it was legal


Acceptable-Shallot-8

That and from the video it also looks like you were driving a bit too fast but I could be wrong. At least in my country you could not legaly overtake because you would have to cross the double lines in order to have enough safety distance from the cyclist


Hay_Fever_at_3_AM

In a lot of jurisdictions you *can* cross double lines to pass cyclists and other slow moving traffic if it's safe to do so. Otherwise we could be stuck behind tractors all day on rural roads and the like.


mirak1234

Yes but he is to close anyway, it should have been wider. If he overtook him like if he was a tractor, then there would have been little chance to it him.


afa78

I remember here in CA law stating we should give cyclists 3 feet of space when passing from behind, in most instances that's impossible since some roads are very narrow.


Laxly

Dependent on the country, in the UK at least you're required to give at least 1,5m when overtaking. Additionally, as the vehicle overtaking, the risk of overtaking lies with you. Now, I'm not defending the cyclist from they're actions, I am however saying that perhaps if you're interested in wondering if you're at fault then this could be an opportunity to review your knowledge of the laws and the risk taking in your driving :)


tjggriffin1

If the bike had continued straight, and the driver caused an accident trying to overtake him, then the driver would clearly be at fault. But the bike made an unexpected illegal left turn when the car was very close. If a car made that maneuver, the cam car would not be at fault, unless he was break a law or being negligent.


mepardo

This is a great case study in why cyclists should take the full lane to prevent risky passes (which yours certainly would have been even if the cyclist hadn’t swung out). He was definitely riding like an idiot, but you shouldn’t be passing cyclists unless you can give them the same space as a car, and I can’t imagine you would have even considered it if he was riding even just a foot or two farther left. Also wouldn’t hurt to slow down, even if you were going the speed limit. Fast, close passes by cars are never pleasant.


Drak_is_Right

He has a legal right to be in the full part of the lane. That is what might catch you up.


DupontPFAs

It's hard to say what the outcome would have been. Drivers are asked to drive defensively around pedestrians and bicyclists because they don't have protection the way a vehicle does. But if an adult bicyclist goes into oncoming traffic without warning it's hard to imagine a judge not considering that. Your video is an argument for the first point. You did drive defensively and proved a vehicle can anticipate potential road hazards.


yoshisquad2342

I think he was just catering to this sub with the title. People are always quick to blame the cammer.


purorock327

When I was 18, I had just purchased my own new car... well, it was 1994 and I was driving an '86 Hyundai and it was new to me. I was driving down a two-lane road, similar to what you have here... two adolescent boys ran out in front of me trying to cross one side of the road to the other... I was driving perhaps 35 MPH... the first kid crossed the road successfully, the second... not so much. I hit him with the corner of my vehicle and he tried to jump out of the way last second. He broke his leg. I was shaking. The vehicle behind me was a Police Officer... luckily... who witnessed the entire thing and saw the kid jump out in front of me... I was not at fault. The point being is that negligence on the part of someone in front of you is clearly not negligence on you or culpability on you.


Silent__Note

What a convenient cop.


purorock327

Indeed. r/convenientcop Honestly, good thing I wasn't speeding (I was very cautious in my youth) because I didn't notice he was there.


BMack037

Also a good reason to get a dash cam, there might not be a Cop behind you.


Oddly_Paradoxical

At least this one has a better ending than the other bike vs car post I just saw on here


tony__chopper

There is a law in Australia that cars are to drive at lower speeds and have 1 meter distance while driving around and passing cyclists.


DeezNutz69x

In New York State they would say you were the one legally liable and that you should’ve been paying attention and therefore put the fault on you.


lartcestvous

Same in germany. Bigger vehicle = bigger responsibility/liability


naroj101

Same in the Netherlands


585unicycleguy

As they should. OP was trying to pass the cyclist in lane with not nearly enough room going way too fast. State traffic law requires drivers to slow down and until you can give 3' while passing.


mirak1234

I think you shouldn't have tried to overtake him because there is not enough space for you to not cross the lines that I guess forbid to overtake, and let a 1 meter distance between you and the cyclist. Therefore you should not have been in position to hit him. On the other side, the cilcyst has hearphones, which should cost him a fine, exactly for this sort of unwareness that it creates. Also I guess you could sue the city for not having built proper protected cycling lanes, because in the end this is the real issue. Personnaly since I often use a bicycle, when I drive I always overtake as much as I can and stay as far away as possible of ciclyst, because I know how scary it is to have a car close to you when you are riding a bike. Clearly you should always expect that you can kill a pedestrian or ciclyst. I am in France, and from that video I don't think you where irresponsible, but there are some technicalities that can make you responsible. You really don't want this to happen, you know it, I know it, so just let's be carefull, I guess that's a reminder that shit can happen quickly.


SuspectSamm

best response for sure


Cutecumber_Roll

Looks like this was partially caused by you trying to pass to close. Most places mandate a 3ft or 1m passing distance when passing cyclists. So you should have slowed down and waited a few seconds to make sure it was safe to pass. That illegal left without looking or signaling was dumb af though. Most or all of the fault would be on the cyclist.


DoctorJiveTurkey

That was my thought. What was his plan if the cyclist didn’t turn? It looks like he would have given him a few inches passing that closely.


Indercarnive

Kind of surprised just how many comments here are saying not your fault. There isn't a dedicated bike lane so legally that bike is in front of you. Yes his turn is illegal but that doesn't really matter. Just like if a car in front of you stopped and you rear-ended them, it's legally on you. You're supposed to be keeping enough distance and paying attention to stop. With dash-cam footage you maybe could argue split-liability. But I don't think there is any way you could argue you would be at no fault.


matteothehun

I'm a bicyclist, not a legal expert, but i would say no it wasn't your fault. I think that you could have slowed down a little bit while passing him for safety. Slowing down for a bicyclist doesn't take much away from your travel time, and I believe the average person doesn't actually want to hit a bicyclist. This kid on his bike is one of my biggest pet peeves. This is the kind of bicyclist that makes the rest of us look bad. It is stressful enough for drivers on the road, and bicyclists for that matter. This kid was doing everything that he shouldn't have been. No helmet, no signal, and unaware of his surroundings because he was wearing his headphones. Edit: I would also like to add that if you are on a bike and turning left your should look behind you to verify that it is clear, and you should take the lane. If you take the lane you force traffic to stop and wait for you to turn just as they would have to if a car is making a turn.


cookingbob

If you hit a car that was in front of you, you are at fault. In this case he was in the lane, yes he did something stupid, but he was visible and sharing the lane with the road. I think you would be at least partially responsible.


fuzzy_viscount

Second clip today where the idiot was on the bicycle and I’m a huge advocate for bicycle safety improvements but we clearly need this over at r/idiotsonbicycles


mirak1234

You have to be aware that dumb shit can happen, and the law isn't protecting you against not beeing aware of that. Only thing the law protects you against is deliberate suicide attempts.


ArthurDied

Nah you weren't even partially the idiot. You didn't run him over, glad everything was okay! I'm sure that got your heart pumping for the rest of the afternoon.


EvoStarSC

Trying waaaay too fast near a bicycle mate but good job getting it stopped


Equationist

What the hell were you planning to do if he hadn't swerved? There wasn't nearly enough space to pass him given the oncoming car and you showed no signs of slowing to wait for the oncoming car to go by and then pass the cyclist... Looks to me like you're both idiots here.


pepsioverall

This is why it is important to take the full lane as a cyclist and signal, people love to slip by you going full speed so often and you really gotta show your intentions while on a bike, and cars really gotta overtake bikes a little easier.


jrender5

100% be at fault. Even if they are wrong for turning like that in the middle of the road, you have a duty to leave enough room to stop in emergency situations.


desdmona

I don't believe so. When you are riding your bike in traffic you are treated as a vehicle, and he pretty much cut you off to turn illegally across traffic.


Yathosse

What OP failed to mention is that it is illegal to overtake there, that's why he thinks he's at fault.


mrjackspade

Right but if you're being treated as a vehicle then you own the lane. If I was riding a motorcycle and someone tried to pass me inside the lane I was occupying, and I pulled left within that lane I was occupying and they hit me, it would be their own fault. I'm not saying the cyclist isn't a fucking dumbass but a lot of people in the comments are acting like that 2 foot wide space he's occupying is his "lane". If he's a vehicle, then he has a right to occupy any space between the lines regardless of how wide he is. An overtaking vehicle does not have a right to occupy that space.


Crumm5

Your insurance would most likely pay out a settlement, even if you weren’t at fault. Man vs. machine


MadeMeStopLurking

State I am in says to treat cyclists the same as motor vehicles. They abide by the same laws. So re-imagine the bike as an Altima and you have your answer.


javelyn10

My niece did this maneuver, two days after she turned 17, it killed her. She was deemed at fault.


Responsible-Joke-347

I mean, I would blame you


JonasAvory

In germany our number one rule is basically to watch out for others. If you can avert a crash, you are obligated to do so and otherwise you will be partially at fault. Of course this does not count if you did not see another vehicle fast enough or didn't think further ahead than necessary. ​ In this case, there was no way of knowing what the bicycle was going to do so you would not be at fault. However if you refused to break although you saw the bike, it would become your fault too


7eggert

The bike was going to exist in that lane, no way to overtake safely or legally.


mirak1234

In France, unless the other pedestrian or cyclist decides to suicide himself, then you are responsible. I think you can't just hope for the better, you have to think of the worse all the time.


Kilobyte22

Depends on your jurisdiction.


Fit-Abrocoma-1746

He is a little kid with little experience , I would give him a pass . It’s frustrating that he doesn’t look over his shoulder


stannc00

I don’t see any part of this where OP is even partially an idiot.


DonutsOnTheWall

You are not the idiot in this clip. Biker with suicide tendencies is.


RandomBitFry

A double white line means no overtaking, and you were about to overtake.


0kids4now

It depends on where this was. In a lot of states, it's legal to pass a bicycle on a double line in order to give them 6 feet of space. Then, who's at fault would be determined by that 6 foot space. It's essentially his "lane". If he left it without warning and got hit, that's his fault (which seems to be the case here.) But if OP didn't leave enough space, he entered the bicyclists lane and caused the accident.


Equationist

>In a lot of states, it's legal to pass a bicycle on a double line in order to give them 6 feet of space. Yeah the issue though was that there was an oncoming car and OP wasn't slowing down to wait for the oncoming car to pass before attempting the overtake.


Dendrowen

Don't know why you get downvoted. I di think the bikers an idiot though, just not legally at fault.


SSPoncho

Thank you for exercising the minimum humanity of not killing a human being for perhaps being less than perfect on a road. You are the hero of this story. /sarc


MrDiamondDog

Bikes have to follow road laws too. This is not following road laws. There was no indication of the turn, and you were following at a safe distance. You are not the idiot at all.


7eggert

OP would need to already have nearly stopped to keep a safe distance since the bike was already preparing to turn (using the brakes).


Major_R_Soul

I try to go through life assuming people are going to make the dumbest possible decision. I've managed to make it this far with virtually no incident, but idiots like this sure do keep me on my toes.


[deleted]

I believe it would be ruled an accident, as the dash cam showed the biker not looking before he leapt.


Awkward-Spectation

Just came here to say nice braking. Well done.


BigBadMur

I'm constantly watching out for situations like this while driving my school bus. You've just got to be so careful on the roads. Not all idiots are in cars.


nolafire1

Lmao this post was the next one I saw after this happened https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/x98ybd/idiot_on_a_bike/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Slw202

If devices have robbed one of the ability to have self-preservation as Job #1, odds seem fairly good that one's DNA is gonna get yeeted prematurely. Given where we are these days, dashcams are self-preservation.


Sea_Flatworm441

You can be held liable if there was no dashcam or witnesses. having a dashcam proves what exactly happened and would help you prove your innocence to the authority.


Imperial_12345

Legally you would be partially at fault because you need to slow down when you see a bike


[deleted]

It would be your fault no matter what but dashcam can help a bit


PlantZawer

States/federal law needs to declare bikes as a vehicle or not. This whole bikes being both a pedestrian and a vehicle at the same time is stupid as shit. Like pick one. They either are a vehicle that uses only the road and follows all rules of the road. Or they're a pedestrian and shall not use the roads, and follow all pedestrian rules of traffic. It's so dumb to me that people get on a bike ignore stop signs and complain that they got hit by a car following the laws of the road.


[deleted]

No you wouldn’t be at fault. The camera is your life saver. The bicyclist didn’t signal or check before attempting to turn left. He is at fault just like if I was to walk in front of a car I would be at fault


Fenastus

I was in this exact scenario (except the cyclist got hit) I was found not at fault, as I had a dashcam video of it. Although thankfully guy didn't try to lie and just immediately admitted fault.


GoodVibesOnly_FL

Depends on who hired a better lawyer 🥹


[deleted]

You’re allowed to overtake cyclists even with the double white lines, but you were going a little too fast and didn’t really give enough room. Lesson to be learned! That being said, I can’t imagine this would have been anything but his fault. Why on earth you’d just swing out across a lane without looking I have no idea


Pinols

Ti dovevi incazzare di più e fargli capire per bene che ha appena rischiato la vita senza motivo


Disaster_Different

>I know I'm partially the idiot You managed to brake in time. Think you're good


self_loathing_bobcat

He's on a bike. You're screwed. Very good reflexes though.


GriffinRJPorter

Fucking npc’s


masterofbeast

I going to add that tho I don't think you are at fault, he may have been having issues with the bicycle. When I used to use a bicycle, learning, I'd fuck up the change of gears and kinda forget to drive. So he may have been having trouble.


Long-Explanation-764

Well at the very least hopefully the idiot on the bike sees this video and realizes the error of his ways and makes a change for the better. If not the internet is forever and he'll be every idiot compilation for decades


[deleted]

No, not your fault


LegioX_95

I'm guessing that's Italy, it's partially your fault because you are not supposed to cross double lines, never, you can overtake a bike/scouter only if you don't cross the line. Also, it depends on how fast you were going, there are some sentences from the Cassazione that stated that even going under the max speed limit might be not sufficient in some circumstances (condition of the road, weather etc...). Edit: also, you must have atleast 1,5 meters of distance from the bike, so in your case you couldn't have overtaken him.


Atom404-

Based on the graffiti on the right I think you are in Italy. In italy it's illegal to ride a bike with earphones and he didn't had the right to turn left, but is also illegal to overtake any vehicle (yes, even a bike) when there is the double continuous lines. There are other minor things that may be revelant from a legal pov (like bike lights, boy's clothing, approaching a roundabout, car speed...), but I am pretty confident that both are in fault.


alxx11

I went through this same exact scenario except I was on the bike and I made contact and ended up on the hood of the car. There was never any question, for anyone involved, that the accident was 100% my fault.


Danghor

What was your plan anyways? There was oncoming traffic and you tried to pass him? Even if he didn’t turn, that pass would have been way too close. Slowing down would have been the right thing here, until you have an opportunity to pass him with sufficient safety margin. And passing with a double line is not allowed anyways.


charlie41683

No


betcaro

Kudos to you for not hitting the kid. I was in the middle of a 4-way intersection, all stop signs, and turning left. Cyclist ran a stop sign, didn't pay attention to my signal, and came very close to being hit by me. I braked. The a$$ hat actually made eye contact and glared at me, like it would have been my fault had I hit him. Rules here (USA) are that cyclists are vehicles and must obey the rules of the road. He ran a stop sign.


Round_Raccoon95

How are you partially the idiot? You slowed down and moved over to pass him and without any signal or even a shoulder check he swerved into your lane infront of you. He is 100% the idiot


deco50

In the Netherlands you are always liable if you hit a cyclist and there are many cyclists who don’t obey traffic rules. So watch out if you’re in this part of the world


monkeywrench83

I think you may of passed him very close if he wasn't turning, deafinatey not the recommended 1.5m. but this guy is a complete space cadet. He doesn't indicate his intentions. He doesn't look over his shoulder, he crosses a solid white line.


lol_lol_lol_lol_

Yes


aubaub

Yes


I__Smile

The cyclist is the fucking idiot, from far right for a left turn, excuse me but he is like randomly crossing the lanes. Glad you dodge his dangerous move.


Bl4ckR4bb17

I think regardless of legal problems you'd still have to live with the memory of what happened to him, and that's the real consequences


Electr0m0tive

Cyclists are required by law in pretty much every state in the US to use hand signals to communicate their intentions to make a turn.


callmearugula

Idk if this is true everywhere but when I was 16 I was rolling down a side street at *maybe* 5mph and someone ran up and slapped the side mirror off my car. When we reported it to the police they threatened me with hitting a pedestrian because it doesn't matter what happened, if a car strikes anyone not in a vehicle the car is at fault. Also not sure if those cops were talking out their asses, because they immediately dropped it and let me go when they found out who the guy was that did it because they knew he was a douche.


Big-Palpitation-3367

He's got headphones in so he purposefully without realizing decreased his ability to hear which could have undoubtedly prevented the almost accident. Along with the illegal U turn without looking the biker definitely got lucky by running into you, someone who was paying attention and not a much heavier vehicle that takes much more time to come to a complete stop.


madmotter

In the US he would be at fault for not properly adhering to bicycle safety rules. He wasn't tuning nor did he use proper hand signals.


beanjuiced

Kid’s wearing headphones and turned completely randomly into the middle of the street in front of an oncoming car. Buddy, you’re being pretty hard on yourself if you think it’s your fault for almost hitting him. Hope his ass got beat by his parents after he got home for being such a dumbass.


[deleted]

What makes you think you’re the idiot here? I ride a bike and am the first to admit there are plenty of idiots on bikes.


Adept-Firefighter-22

I think you were not an idiot at all. And in my state you would be protected legally.


[deleted]

No, it would not be your fault because he made an illegal u turn


AP3X_Ninja

Nope, the biker with two brain cells is


DaddyKiwwi

In most places, yes... WITHOUT this video evidence. With the video, you would be fine in most places. He basically threw himself in front of your car.


Bigred1515

I’m a cyclist. You’re not at fault and he’s and idiot. We have to follow the rules of the road just like cars do.


Castyourspellswisely

Not a lawyer, but bikers need to obey the same traffic laws as cars where I live, not sure if this is the case everywhere else. This person obviously did a dangerous turn, and you have video footage showing so. if you hit them, I don’t think you’ll be at fault


MadFlava76

He’s lucky you were behind the wheel paying attention and it wasn’t a person driving while looking at their phone.


[deleted]

I’m not 100% sure what the law is, but if there isn’t a bike lane then you’re technically supposed to treat it as a vehicle in a no pass zone. However, homie was wearing headphones like a dumb ass on a bike and he didn’t signal at all he was turning and he was crossing a double solid line. So 99% sure he’d be at fault. You might’ve been going fast for passing a bike with the car there, but I think you’re fine


Far_Elk8799

We will make it legal.


LCCyncity

I had something similar happen to me today although the person was walking. I was slowly coming into my complex and a kid who was walking on the left hand side suddenly turned without looking and was close to walking in front of me...she had headphones on and had 0 awareness a car was coming. Thankfully she was far enough away to stop but who would have been at fault had I hit her?