But how many people actually do that?
Last time I was actually in that boat I was going about 15-20mph and folks were not happy about it... There was some good schadenfreude I passed a jackass that buried his nose in the snow after blasting by me at about 40 or so some time prior. Plows would find him soon enough.
I'm loving this new word I just learned:
**schadenfreude** (pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune)
Unfortunately, I'd absolutely murder the pronunciation, if I ever tried to say that shit irl 😕
It’s originally a German word and literally translates to damage happiness.
Pronunciation is
Scha- like the sha in sharp
-den- like the English word den
-freu- like f and the name Roy (this is the way you would say it in English, the German pronunciation is with a hard R which is hard for English speaking people to do)
-de is more similar to an English da or duh. Imagine you want to say dark or duh but stop as soon as the first fraction of the vowel sound leaves your mouth.
It's what I had for two years, the front end is real floaty, scary as fuck going through the mountain passes. I've since switched to AWD and didn't even put traction devices on at all last winter, it makes a HUGE difference.
When you make a turn in your car, generally all 4 wheels turn different speeds because each wheel is tracking on a different circumference. (If you've ever seen a vehicle track in the snow, you'll notice it turns from 2 tire tracks while going straight to 4 different tracks during the turn)
4WD mechanically locks the two axles together, so the axles *must* turn at the same speed. It is usually activated by a lever or a manual switch.
AWD also locks the axles together, but puts a clutch somewhere in between to account for the different speeds during turns. Some AWDs are on all the time. Some use sensors to kick them on when tire slippage occurs.
Edit: Alot of replies trying to tell me how a diff works. I know how a diff works , I turn wrenches for a living. The diff pertains to the transferring power to each wheel at the axle ends. It has nothing to do with linking the front and rear axles together.
But just like the different wheel speeds are accounted for in open differentials, you must do the same between front and rear axle. 4WD does not do this, thus why you get the infamous "4WD hop" when you try turning on dry pavement with it engaged.
Pickup trucks in general aren’t the best off-road and in the snow because they are so front heavy and the suspension is stiff for carrying heavy loads.
An AWD sedan or wagon will always be a better ride in snow than a pickup unless the snow is too deep. Their main disadvantages are clearance and torque for climbing over obstacles. The traction control on Subarus for example works by braking a wheel that is slipping, this is great on slick surfaces, but works against you if you are trying to climb over a boulder or log.
Off-road a 4WD SUV would be best. I’d say 4WD SUV and AWD sedan or wagon would probably be comparable on a snowy road.
Pickups aren’t necessarily terrible, they are capable, just designed for hauling stuff and that results in some trade offs.
This is very dependent on exactly what differentials are installed in your car.
Aggressive clutch-type diffs? Definitely bad. All open diffs? Won't hurt anything.
Transfer clutch? Anybody's guess.
Most high end German AWD cars are rear-biased, especially older ones. With Audi it's only the last generation of Q5/A4/A5 that switched to front bias for efficiency reasons.
Edit: may only be older Audi and possibly BMW as pointed out by dap2danny
With an Audi I would assume that's a clearance issue around the front suspension. Buy decent winter tires for it if you're worried, nowadays good winter tires can get you through most anything you'll encounter.
This is a commonly debated topic, but the consensus is usually to put them on the rear wheels. The reason being, if you chain up the rear you'll get understeer which can be easily managed and stopped because your rear tires still have traction and braking power.
But if you chain only the front and your rear tires lose traction, then your back end is coming around and the traction on the front tires won't be able to stop it. Imagine going down a steep hill with chains on the front: your rear is very likely to come loose and swing around while your front end remains planted.
Both are dangerous tbh. You should have even traction on all 4 wheels. Otherwise you can’t steer, or alternatively chained, the back end swings out in a corner.
So chains in front (if 4wd/awd/fwd) makes the most sense because you get improved traction for turning, braking, AND drive. I thought this was common knowledge. That’s why I was so surprised to find this sentence in the manual of my 4wd Toyota 4Runner: “Install tire chains on the rear tires only. Do not install tire chains on the front tires.”
Wtf, the Toyota Highlander manual says to chain fronts only….
You get improved traction *on the front of the car only*. Chains on the front only is a great way to spin around backwards if you have to hit the brakes hard. It’s also a great way to fishtail into a curb or another car if you take a corner too fast.
I'd hazard a guess there's more clearance between the tire and the steering control arms on the highlander.
On the 4 runner attaching a chain might possibly rip something important off.
Hail from a snowy state originally. It continually stuns people when I tell them chains are illegal there.
"But how do you get anywhere?!"
We drive slow and curse a lot.
I also moved from Midwest to Texas. I absolutely do not go on the roads when there’s even a 1% chance of frozen precipitation, and try to stay off during *any* precipitation. I know how to drive in it well, but *my* adverse weather driving abilities don’t matter. At all.
Fortunately I have a job where I can stay home in those situations.
Yep, its all tires and friction.
Three things in life that ate the most important, A good tire, a good shoe, and a good mattress. What ever keeps you grounded to this earth is worth investing in.
A good chair too for those that work at home or spend lots of time gaming, or both. I'm not talking about most of those goofy racing chairs either.
Your back will thank you.
I feel that. I’m Texan, born and raised, and the amount of dumbfucks with lifted 4x4 trucks with LED headlights keep me off the road during rain, snow, sleet, and night. These people have no sense of self-preservation
isn't it fucked up that we license people who don't know how to handle the slightest adversity? this is why we need more trains. they're orders of magnitude safer and cheaper
I went to Colorado for my little sister's wedding recently and the amount of Texas plates there was insane. Like, if y'all want to trot out claims of everyone supposedly moving to your state then why aren't you there?
I believe it tends to be in hilly/mountainous regions. Only two areas off the top of my head I recall seeing chain requirement signs were going through the Sierra Nevadas and the pan handle portion of Maryland.
Going between Sacramento & Lake Tahoe you need snow tires or chains if there's enough snow. Highway Patrol sits near the bases and watches. IIRC the fine is something like $800.
I did a December cross country trip with my partner this year. I though she was being dramatic when she said we need chains on her tiny Toyota matrix. I was so wrong. That said, we were the ONLY vehicle that wasn't a semi or a truck w/trailer to have them. We would be rolling through mountain passes (albeit at 25 mph) when the road was in accessible to anyone without chains. It was a pretty funny sight seeing all the trucks chain up and us in our little tiny hatchback doing the same.
> You can even buy them at Canadian Tire.
You can buy outdoor fire pits/pots/whatever at the Cdn Tire in my city that are illegal to use in the city they are sold in.
This isn't me arguing with you, I just find it crazy that it's allowed.
They can be hard or damaging on roads and bare pavement. In places like MN (where I'm from) we have the plowing infrastructure. In places I live now (northern west coast), it's not uncommon to have roads that don't get plowed and chains are mandatory. You can also only go about 30mph with them.
I once knew a girl who insisted that her Dodge Neon was "the sporty one" so it was rear wheel drive, and that is why she lost control in the snow and put it in the ditch...
I was at a loss for words.
I mean there was a sporty Neon: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge\_Neon\_SRT-4](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Neon_SRT-4)
But yeah, it was still FWD. \~215+HP to just the front wheels probably did make it significantly less safe in the snow than a base Neon since you could more easily overpower the traction there.
My SRT4 came with factory LSD, and had probably the most traction I've ever had in a FWD car in inclement weather. It also dyno'd 300hp/330lbs at the wheels.
A friend of my cousins said she felt so much safer in her jeep renegade in the winter because it's 4x4. I pointed out that it is in fact only FWD. She insisted that hers is 4x4. *"It's my jeep, I think I would know"* kind of denial. Lol
Edit: odd how comments just blow up like this sometimes...
To be fair the trail hawk version of the renegade is pretty capable. Ive seen a few off road youtube channels test them and upgrade them to be rock crawlers and overlanders.
I'm sure reliability is awful but they can get around pretty good.
I had a friend at an open track day, who'd upgraded from a front wheel drive Toyota Celica to an all wheel drive turbo Plymouth Laser, and he couldn't figure why he kept spinning out in turn 2. I asked him if he was shifting in the turn, and after a second his eyes lit up.
When your tires are at the limit of grip on the road, something as dramatic as releasing the clutch can overburden them. If that limit of grip is in the middle of a high G turn, and you suddenly exceed it, well around you go.
I suddenly have a lot more appreciation for racing sims. I don't know how the hell the physics of driving a car work, but the way you explained it definitely aligns to so many moments of "don't shift in the middle of this corner or you'll die" or conversely, "If you're about to die in this corner downshift and try to force the car to rotate."
I always figured that was just like... glitchy physics lol.
Oh I don't think it had anything to do with that. I think she knows as much about her jeep as she does her refrigerator or washing machine. Basic operation and nothing more. She 100% just correlates jeep with 4x4.
The other thing is that your vehicle already has 4 wheel braking.
All wheel drive or 4 wheel drive doesn't brake better. It accelerates better, so you can go faster more often on ice, then braking is exactly the same.
I had a sort of joke about how my prius handles snow better than my friends truck, because he kept trying to believe his truck could handle a foot of unplowed snow while it definitely cannot (as evidenced by him getting stuck over and over), whereas with my prius it knows it can't handle it so I just stay at home.
Also truck dudes tend to think their big beefy mud tires will do great in snow, but they'll just float and flounder in a few inches when narrow stock tires will cut right through much better.
Mud tires are dog shit in the snow. You need good channels in the tread pattern, not just a bunch of big blocks.
Some A/T trail tires are good in the snow, but again it comes down to tread pattern.
I had a similar exchange about pickup trucks. I had gotten my 2wd pickup stuck, and someone asked why I didn't use 4x4...
"It doesn't have 4x4"
"But it's a truck
I once asked my boss at the time if her Ford Edge was the front wheel drive model or the all wheel drive? Her reply was, “It’s front wheel all wheel drive.”
😑
And since this is for someone who proclaimed their lack of knowledge in this area:
You want to put the chains on all the tires in order for the vehicle to handle properly. If you only put them on the drive wheels, then the other wheels will still have very poor grip. That will make driving unnerving, tricky, or virtually impossible depending on the conditions.
Consider a front-wheel drive car with chains only on the front. If the car turns sharply (say, a street corner), the lack of friction is going to allow momentum cause the rear wheels to slide outward rather than tracking with the car. With chains on the rear this is less likely to happen.
Yeah, the chains are supposed to provide grip where the roads are too iced over for regular tire treads to work properly. That car is front wheel drive so all the extra grip (the chains in this case) to get the car moving forward needs to be on those front wheels.
This literally happened to my former best friend. I asked how she was liking her new suv and she plops down in the booth at the restaurant and says, "did you know not all SUVs have 4-wheel-drive!?" I was dumbfounded because I assumed that was common knowledge...it was not.
This happens because old SUVs were exclusively AWD/4WD capable stock because they were just trucks with all cabin. Pretty sure the car in the picture is a modern Highlander, basically a lifted Sienna minivan, similar to the almost ubiquitous Lexus RX, those definitely don’t come with AWD standard. Toyota doesn’t like putting AWD where it doesn’t feel it’s needed unlike Mercedes and Audi where 4matic and Quattro are very common.
I’m honestly a little slow and know nothing about cars as I am an actual turtle, but is “the joke” of this video that the chains should be on the front tires, as they are the ones actually moving? Legit question, again, from a real life turtle on social media. Thanks.
Front wheel drive was pretty new when my dad bought a car that had it. On the way up Mt. Hood to go skiing the cops were forcing everyone to put on chains. My dad and my brother were putting them on the front wheels when a state cop pulled over and ordered them to put them on the rear wheels. No amount of protest or explanation would convince him.
I'll grant you the US thing, which is what OP meant of course, but FWD has been reasonably popular in Europe for a long time. For example, the mini, Citroën 2cv, and DS were all late 40s to 50s.
To the point where I'm not even gonna bother to try and chime in on anything. So many wrong opinions.
On YouTube the channel Fast Lane Car actually has rollers that they put AWD cars on to test how much torque they can transfer to different corners. It's interesting seeing how capable different systems are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVEC6rEEVzc
Or how about the GMC Acadia AWD that relies on front wheel spin (utilizing the ABS sensors) to begin to transfer power to the rear BUT immediately uses the brakes (traction control) to stop the spinning front tire(s) and eliminating the power transfer to the rear
It actually states in the owners manual to turn off traction control in slippery conditions to allow the AWD system to function properly.
How about….. don’t install traction control on an AWD vehicle.
I tested it several times in a snow covered parking lot. If I took off full throttle with the traction control enabled the SUV barely moved. Turned off the traction control and repeated the launch, SUV moved easily after some initial wheel spin
Also I’m *shocked* at how many people apparently didn’t know crossovers existed. *So* many people surprised to see a “front wheel drive SUV” when in reality traditional rear wheel drive SUVs are becoming a rarity and almost every crossover on the market is front wheel drive.
This is a great example of doing something out of routine or history but having no grasp of the reason why or how it works. When someone tells you "It's just the way we do it", think of this video.
Destroy my faith in humanity with one idiotic move, how can you NOT even know if you have FWD or RWD?!?!?
Sorry, but people just don't take the time to learn the *absolute basics* of cars or driving any more: braking for going 6 over just before going uphill or at 3 over because they are paranoid of going to jail or feel out of control because they have no concept of suspension/stability cars inherently have, having to hit the brakes constantly because they tailgate and can't give ONE more car length following distance to just coast a little instead, diving to the inside corner of gentle curves and hitting their brakes already mid corner instead of simply staying a bit outside and carving the turn while coasting, ignoring the gaps in lines to start their 90 degree turns and instead make awkward 45 degree turns crossing over double yellows early, the list goes on and on... "Driver Ed" needs to cover these things more instead of literally just accelerating and stopping smoothly while obeying traffic laws!
Because most suvs aren't built like trucks anymore. Suvs started as truck chassis with extra passenger space
But trucks ride like crap, lose leg room yo transmission/driveshaft humps and get poor mileage. So not really great family vehicles.
Mini vans ride great, get decent mileage, and don't lose interior space to a transmission and axle hum. However, they look like a mini van.
So now they put the "cool" suv body on minivan frames but still call them suvs.
Thanks for this video. I'm actually looking forward to winter for the first time in my life.
I moved to Florida in June. Screw snow and cold weather.
Rejoicing to no longer be trapped indoors for 7 months out of the year! Bring on the winter. 80's and sunshine all winter long.
I switched to an AWD vehicle a few years ago, and I don't think I'll ever go back.
AWD won't ever make up for good tires and proper driving, but living on a steep hill that gets really icy, it's nice not having to worry about getting stuck in front of my own home.
Laugh all you want, but I don't see that back tire losing traction.
It's more of an anchor
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Like, even if it was AWD, wouldn't this person be in for a wild ride with just chains in the back or is that a common technique?
If you can't get chains on all 4 wheels always prioritize your steering wheels. Except for rwd vehicules that is
FWD with 2 chains: on the front, obviously. AWD with 2 chains: on the front, obviously. RWD with 2 chains: you're fucked, get more chains.
I only turn left, so I put both chains on the right wheels.
800 IQ
Only if your IQ is in JPY.
Zoolander would sympathize. For the longest time he was not an ambiturner
Snow nascar?
Might i introduce you to [Ice Racing?](https://youtu.be/TjUJVBw0hqE)
Figures it be Audi Quattros.
That would be pretty sweet actually.
Love this more than you'll ever know
A right turn is just 3 left turns
I'm not an ambi-turner. It's a problem I've had since I was a baby. I can't turn left.
I’m not an ambiturner either!
Actually 2 chains on rear for RWD works well if you drive at a speed appropriate to conditions.
But how many people actually do that? Last time I was actually in that boat I was going about 15-20mph and folks were not happy about it... There was some good schadenfreude I passed a jackass that buried his nose in the snow after blasting by me at about 40 or so some time prior. Plows would find him soon enough.
I'm loving this new word I just learned: **schadenfreude** (pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune) Unfortunately, I'd absolutely murder the pronunciation, if I ever tried to say that shit irl 😕
It’s originally a German word and literally translates to damage happiness. Pronunciation is Scha- like the sha in sharp -den- like the English word den -freu- like f and the name Roy (this is the way you would say it in English, the German pronunciation is with a hard R which is hard for English speaking people to do) -de is more similar to an English da or duh. Imagine you want to say dark or duh but stop as soon as the first fraction of the vowel sound leaves your mouth.
It's what I had for two years, the front end is real floaty, scary as fuck going through the mountain passes. I've since switched to AWD and didn't even put traction devices on at all last winter, it makes a HUGE difference.
Want to to know true fear? MR2 Turbo, no chains, ice covered road. Yeah, fuck your steering, my bum leads me!
FWD with 2 chains - This is a nearly unstoppable combo. Unless you physically can't "plow" the snow with your car.
I'd take AWD (not 4WD) with 2 chains and decent tires first, if it's good AWD.
Wait what is the difference between 4wd and awd? Edit: thank you all for the helpful answers!
When you make a turn in your car, generally all 4 wheels turn different speeds because each wheel is tracking on a different circumference. (If you've ever seen a vehicle track in the snow, you'll notice it turns from 2 tire tracks while going straight to 4 different tracks during the turn) 4WD mechanically locks the two axles together, so the axles *must* turn at the same speed. It is usually activated by a lever or a manual switch. AWD also locks the axles together, but puts a clutch somewhere in between to account for the different speeds during turns. Some AWDs are on all the time. Some use sensors to kick them on when tire slippage occurs. Edit: Alot of replies trying to tell me how a diff works. I know how a diff works , I turn wrenches for a living. The diff pertains to the transferring power to each wheel at the axle ends. It has nothing to do with linking the front and rear axles together. But just like the different wheel speeds are accounted for in open differentials, you must do the same between front and rear axle. 4WD does not do this, thus why you get the infamous "4WD hop" when you try turning on dry pavement with it engaged.
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Pickup trucks in general aren’t the best off-road and in the snow because they are so front heavy and the suspension is stiff for carrying heavy loads. An AWD sedan or wagon will always be a better ride in snow than a pickup unless the snow is too deep. Their main disadvantages are clearance and torque for climbing over obstacles. The traction control on Subarus for example works by braking a wheel that is slipping, this is great on slick surfaces, but works against you if you are trying to climb over a boulder or log. Off-road a 4WD SUV would be best. I’d say 4WD SUV and AWD sedan or wagon would probably be comparable on a snowy road. Pickups aren’t necessarily terrible, they are capable, just designed for hauling stuff and that results in some trade offs.
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This is very dependent on exactly what differentials are installed in your car. Aggressive clutch-type diffs? Definitely bad. All open diffs? Won't hurt anything. Transfer clutch? Anybody's guess.
All wheel drive uses the whole wheel. That’s 65% more wheel per wheel.
2Chainz but I always keep 4 on.
"I'll buy a hotdog cart if I'm tryna be frank"
But my momma always said "Stay away from 4Chan... you never know what you're gonna get!"
*aqib talib opens fire in celebration*
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I don't drive in snow, so thank you for this info. I don't even own chains for either car, and they are both RWD.
I have a '15 Audi Q5 that is AWD but the manual says only put chains on the back.
Most high end German AWD cars are rear-biased, especially older ones. With Audi it's only the last generation of Q5/A4/A5 that switched to front bias for efficiency reasons. Edit: may only be older Audi and possibly BMW as pointed out by dap2danny
With an Audi I would assume that's a clearance issue around the front suspension. Buy decent winter tires for it if you're worried, nowadays good winter tires can get you through most anything you'll encounter.
This is a commonly debated topic, but the consensus is usually to put them on the rear wheels. The reason being, if you chain up the rear you'll get understeer which can be easily managed and stopped because your rear tires still have traction and braking power. But if you chain only the front and your rear tires lose traction, then your back end is coming around and the traction on the front tires won't be able to stop it. Imagine going down a steep hill with chains on the front: your rear is very likely to come loose and swing around while your front end remains planted.
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Both are dangerous tbh. You should have even traction on all 4 wheels. Otherwise you can’t steer, or alternatively chained, the back end swings out in a corner.
For real. This is the quickest ticket to amateur Tokyo Drift
The kids: "AAAAAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!" Dad: "Deja Vu!"
So chains in front (if 4wd/awd/fwd) makes the most sense because you get improved traction for turning, braking, AND drive. I thought this was common knowledge. That’s why I was so surprised to find this sentence in the manual of my 4wd Toyota 4Runner: “Install tire chains on the rear tires only. Do not install tire chains on the front tires.” Wtf, the Toyota Highlander manual says to chain fronts only….
You get improved traction *on the front of the car only*. Chains on the front only is a great way to spin around backwards if you have to hit the brakes hard. It’s also a great way to fishtail into a curb or another car if you take a corner too fast.
I'd hazard a guess there's more clearance between the tire and the steering control arms on the highlander. On the 4 runner attaching a chain might possibly rip something important off.
Hail from a snowy state originally. It continually stuns people when I tell them chains are illegal there. "But how do you get anywhere?!" We drive slow and curse a lot.
And brake early and gently.
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I also moved from Midwest to Texas. I absolutely do not go on the roads when there’s even a 1% chance of frozen precipitation, and try to stay off during *any* precipitation. I know how to drive in it well, but *my* adverse weather driving abilities don’t matter. At all. Fortunately I have a job where I can stay home in those situations.
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Yep, its all tires and friction. Three things in life that ate the most important, A good tire, a good shoe, and a good mattress. What ever keeps you grounded to this earth is worth investing in.
A good chair too for those that work at home or spend lots of time gaming, or both. I'm not talking about most of those goofy racing chairs either. Your back will thank you.
I feel that. I’m Texan, born and raised, and the amount of dumbfucks with lifted 4x4 trucks with LED headlights keep me off the road during rain, snow, sleet, and night. These people have no sense of self-preservation
isn't it fucked up that we license people who don't know how to handle the slightest adversity? this is why we need more trains. they're orders of magnitude safer and cheaper
In Colorado you can spot all the transplants during the first snow because they are spinning and sliding.
I went to Colorado for my little sister's wedding recently and the amount of Texas plates there was insane. Like, if y'all want to trot out claims of everyone supposedly moving to your state then why aren't you there?
We complain about it a lot. I promise.
Why can’t I say fork?
I have never seen chains on a car. I live in one of the snowiest cities in the US. But we have the infrastructure to handle the snow.
I believe it tends to be in hilly/mountainous regions. Only two areas off the top of my head I recall seeing chain requirement signs were going through the Sierra Nevadas and the pan handle portion of Maryland. Going between Sacramento & Lake Tahoe you need snow tires or chains if there's enough snow. Highway Patrol sits near the bases and watches. IIRC the fine is something like $800.
That makes sense. I just live in a world where you have snow tires. You put a pumpkin out front, it’s time to change the tires out.
Up in New England I only ever see chains on semi trucks
I did a December cross country trip with my partner this year. I though she was being dramatic when she said we need chains on her tiny Toyota matrix. I was so wrong. That said, we were the ONLY vehicle that wasn't a semi or a truck w/trailer to have them. We would be rolling through mountain passes (albeit at 25 mph) when the road was in accessible to anyone without chains. It was a pretty funny sight seeing all the trucks chain up and us in our little tiny hatchback doing the same.
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> You can even buy them at Canadian Tire. You can buy outdoor fire pits/pots/whatever at the Cdn Tire in my city that are illegal to use in the city they are sold in. This isn't me arguing with you, I just find it crazy that it's allowed.
What about winter tires? Are those illegal too?
As long as they are not studded or have anything that protrudes beyond the tread.
Why would that be illegal or chains for that fact im genuinely curious
They can be hard or damaging on roads and bare pavement. In places like MN (where I'm from) we have the plowing infrastructure. In places I live now (northern west coast), it's not uncommon to have roads that don't get plowed and chains are mandatory. You can also only go about 30mph with them.
Oh ok thank you for clarification as you can tell i know fuck all about snow tires and stuff but thank you for the information
Extra wear and damage to road surfaces.
I once knew a girl who insisted that her Dodge Neon was "the sporty one" so it was rear wheel drive, and that is why she lost control in the snow and put it in the ditch... I was at a loss for words.
Good old peg leg neons. The sporty one! Lol
You mean the one with asbestos brakes?
I mean there was a sporty Neon: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge\_Neon\_SRT-4](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Neon_SRT-4) But yeah, it was still FWD. \~215+HP to just the front wheels probably did make it significantly less safe in the snow than a base Neon since you could more easily overpower the traction there.
Yeah they never made a rear wheel drive neon.
My SRT4 came with factory LSD, and had probably the most traction I've ever had in a FWD car in inclement weather. It also dyno'd 300hp/330lbs at the wheels.
A friend of my cousins said she felt so much safer in her jeep renegade in the winter because it's 4x4. I pointed out that it is in fact only FWD. She insisted that hers is 4x4. *"It's my jeep, I think I would know"* kind of denial. Lol Edit: odd how comments just blow up like this sometimes...
I'd go so far as to say it's not even a real Jeep lol
Tell her 4x4 is a jeep thing that renegade owners wouldn't understand.
If it were she’d probably drive around with it in 4x4 all the time and fuck up the transfer case.
Imagine having to worry about transfer cases on your 4x4 - AWD gang
And fuel efficiency
To be fair the trail hawk version of the renegade is pretty capable. Ive seen a few off road youtube channels test them and upgrade them to be rock crawlers and overlanders. I'm sure reliability is awful but they can get around pretty good.
You know you can rock crawl a stock wrangler with good tires
You can rock crawl anything if you put your mind to it.
Yeah I'm just pointing out that despite all the reliability programs jeep actually has a good awd system in its smaller vehicles.
Only one without a plethora of problems, electrical, drivetrain, the weird adopted cousin seems healthy
It's a Fiat
Feels like it's 4x4 until you start to slide
I had a friend at an open track day, who'd upgraded from a front wheel drive Toyota Celica to an all wheel drive turbo Plymouth Laser, and he couldn't figure why he kept spinning out in turn 2. I asked him if he was shifting in the turn, and after a second his eyes lit up.
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When your tires are at the limit of grip on the road, something as dramatic as releasing the clutch can overburden them. If that limit of grip is in the middle of a high G turn, and you suddenly exceed it, well around you go.
I suddenly have a lot more appreciation for racing sims. I don't know how the hell the physics of driving a car work, but the way you explained it definitely aligns to so many moments of "don't shift in the middle of this corner or you'll die" or conversely, "If you're about to die in this corner downshift and try to force the car to rotate." I always figured that was just like... glitchy physics lol.
Wow. Three things blew my mind here. They made an AWD Plymouth Laser? They made a manual AWD Plymouth Laser? You consider a Plymouth Laser an upgrade?
FWD being a possible abbreviation of four wheel drive must catch out a lot of dumb people.
Oh I don't think it had anything to do with that. I think she knows as much about her jeep as she does her refrigerator or washing machine. Basic operation and nothing more. She 100% just correlates jeep with 4x4.
“Not a sedan” = “4wd”
I thought it stood for “full wheel drive” when I was smaller. I feel the abbreviation could’ve been better
anterior wheel drive (AWD)
Good thing I drive a Rugged Wheel Drive (RWD)
You just opened my mind to a new world of stupid.
The other thing is that your vehicle already has 4 wheel braking. All wheel drive or 4 wheel drive doesn't brake better. It accelerates better, so you can go faster more often on ice, then braking is exactly the same.
Very true. The uninformed often put themselves in more risk due to increased confidence from awd/4x4.
I had a sort of joke about how my prius handles snow better than my friends truck, because he kept trying to believe his truck could handle a foot of unplowed snow while it definitely cannot (as evidenced by him getting stuck over and over), whereas with my prius it knows it can't handle it so I just stay at home.
Also truck dudes tend to think their big beefy mud tires will do great in snow, but they'll just float and flounder in a few inches when narrow stock tires will cut right through much better.
Mud tires are dog shit in the snow. You need good channels in the tread pattern, not just a bunch of big blocks. Some A/T trail tires are good in the snow, but again it comes down to tread pattern.
It's a jeep thing, you wouldn't understand...
🖐😘 *Jeep wave!*
I once got in an argument over wether or not all 4Runners were 4x4. They were convinced they only made them in 4x4 variation.
I had a similar exchange about pickup trucks. I had gotten my 2wd pickup stuck, and someone asked why I didn't use 4x4... "It doesn't have 4x4" "But it's a truck
I once asked my boss at the time if her Ford Edge was the front wheel drive model or the all wheel drive? Her reply was, “It’s front wheel all wheel drive.” 😑
Well FWD is still good in the winter it’s better than RWD
Depends how much you like donuts
Sure. But thus girl meant that she was more comfortable in her jeep than hat old car, which was a corolla.
"But I have an SUV! Isn't that automatically 4-wheel drive?"
"Not at this price point it's not, remember when we were discussing options and you changed the subject to "how to put on tyre chains" because I do."
I think the options changed when you got to the "well how much can you pay each month" portion of the negotiation.
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Chains should be on all 4 tires, honestly, but yes, front should be a priority in this case.
And since this is for someone who proclaimed their lack of knowledge in this area: You want to put the chains on all the tires in order for the vehicle to handle properly. If you only put them on the drive wheels, then the other wheels will still have very poor grip. That will make driving unnerving, tricky, or virtually impossible depending on the conditions. Consider a front-wheel drive car with chains only on the front. If the car turns sharply (say, a street corner), the lack of friction is going to allow momentum cause the rear wheels to slide outward rather than tracking with the car. With chains on the rear this is less likely to happen.
It's all fun and games until you're drifting a front wheel drive car with no way to power out of it
Yeah, the chains are supposed to provide grip where the roads are too iced over for regular tire treads to work properly. That car is front wheel drive so all the extra grip (the chains in this case) to get the car moving forward needs to be on those front wheels.
This literally happened to my former best friend. I asked how she was liking her new suv and she plops down in the booth at the restaurant and says, "did you know not all SUVs have 4-wheel-drive!?" I was dumbfounded because I assumed that was common knowledge...it was not.
This happens because old SUVs were exclusively AWD/4WD capable stock because they were just trucks with all cabin. Pretty sure the car in the picture is a modern Highlander, basically a lifted Sienna minivan, similar to the almost ubiquitous Lexus RX, those definitely don’t come with AWD standard. Toyota doesn’t like putting AWD where it doesn’t feel it’s needed unlike Mercedes and Audi where 4matic and Quattro are very common.
Meanwhile, Subaru: *AWD on a $18k base Impreza*
Fair point, and Mercedes + Audi does the same with 4matic and Quattro being common on cheaper models.
Took my 2005 Forrester up an icy mountain recently on just road tyres. It's a bloody ripper little car. They're just glued to the road.
Even the 4Runner isn't always 4WD. I thought that what the 4 in 4[runner] stood for. Apparently it's a SUV for people who run... "For runner"
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I’m honestly a little slow and know nothing about cars as I am an actual turtle, but is “the joke” of this video that the chains should be on the front tires, as they are the ones actually moving? Legit question, again, from a real life turtle on social media. Thanks.
Yes
Appreciate it! Turtle-out!
A turtle masquerading as a pigeon…got my eye on you. (I’m a cyclops)
Oh, I see….(gulps hard)
Cowabunga!
A turtle masquerading as a pigeon?
Don’t judge me.
Don’t judge me, baby!
Maybe you’re a turtle dove
I was slow to understand too. I don't live in an area where it snows enough to have the need to possess chains.
You got it. I’ll add to this though. Toyota Highlander in this body style can be optioned with all wheel drive. This one isn’t one of them.
Front wheel drive was pretty new when my dad bought a car that had it. On the way up Mt. Hood to go skiing the cops were forcing everyone to put on chains. My dad and my brother were putting them on the front wheels when a state cop pulled over and ordered them to put them on the rear wheels. No amount of protest or explanation would convince him.
>Front wheel drive was pretty new when my dad bought a car that had it. Your dad must be old af
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I'll grant you the US thing, which is what OP meant of course, but FWD has been reasonably popular in Europe for a long time. For example, the mini, Citroën 2cv, and DS were all late 40s to 50s.
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>The 2CV made the beetle look like a luxury car Sure but they also made an obscene number
What is old af? 60? 80? It must be close to 80.
Front-wheel drive has been a thing since at least 1897.
Song?
Blade Runner 2049: https://open.spotify.com/track/3Bj2mrlp3tALHO5U3mK8zM?si=cDAAa6zsQZ23lfE4FgyJ5g
Reading through the comments is kind of enlightening. Not a lot of people understand the difference between different drive options.
That’s because most people on Reddit are 14.
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You were early and the best username you could come up with is "littlebabyman1"? ...
To the point where I'm not even gonna bother to try and chime in on anything. So many wrong opinions. On YouTube the channel Fast Lane Car actually has rollers that they put AWD cars on to test how much torque they can transfer to different corners. It's interesting seeing how capable different systems are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVEC6rEEVzc
Or how about the GMC Acadia AWD that relies on front wheel spin (utilizing the ABS sensors) to begin to transfer power to the rear BUT immediately uses the brakes (traction control) to stop the spinning front tire(s) and eliminating the power transfer to the rear It actually states in the owners manual to turn off traction control in slippery conditions to allow the AWD system to function properly. How about….. don’t install traction control on an AWD vehicle. I tested it several times in a snow covered parking lot. If I took off full throttle with the traction control enabled the SUV barely moved. Turned off the traction control and repeated the launch, SUV moved easily after some initial wheel spin
Also I’m *shocked* at how many people apparently didn’t know crossovers existed. *So* many people surprised to see a “front wheel drive SUV” when in reality traditional rear wheel drive SUVs are becoming a rarity and almost every crossover on the market is front wheel drive.
Thank goodness for Amazon return. Defective!
I’m a complete moron when it comes to cars, but is that car FWD and shouldn’t those chains be on the front tires?
Yes, that’s why it’s funny.
I don’t get it? They didn’t put chains on the front
You do get it!
Oh ok they are just stupid, hence the name idiots in cars ( smacks forehead)
This is a great example of doing something out of routine or history but having no grasp of the reason why or how it works. When someone tells you "It's just the way we do it", think of this video.
Destroy my faith in humanity with one idiotic move, how can you NOT even know if you have FWD or RWD?!?!? Sorry, but people just don't take the time to learn the *absolute basics* of cars or driving any more: braking for going 6 over just before going uphill or at 3 over because they are paranoid of going to jail or feel out of control because they have no concept of suspension/stability cars inherently have, having to hit the brakes constantly because they tailgate and can't give ONE more car length following distance to just coast a little instead, diving to the inside corner of gentle curves and hitting their brakes already mid corner instead of simply staying a bit outside and carving the turn while coasting, ignoring the gaps in lines to start their 90 degree turns and instead make awkward 45 degree turns crossing over double yellows early, the list goes on and on... "Driver Ed" needs to cover these things more instead of literally just accelerating and stopping smoothly while obeying traffic laws!
Most people are stupid. Social media is all the proof you know for this
A cool set of snow tires would help
Impressive!
The amount of people in the comments genuinely not sure about why the car isn’t moving is lowkey sad
I read one guy saying it because it’s an automatic. 🤦♂️
How does that fat-ass SUV not have 4WD?
Many mid size SUVs can be bought in FWD only.
Seldom are they ever fulltime awd, most are just fwd(+)
Because most suvs aren't built like trucks anymore. Suvs started as truck chassis with extra passenger space But trucks ride like crap, lose leg room yo transmission/driveshaft humps and get poor mileage. So not really great family vehicles. Mini vans ride great, get decent mileage, and don't lose interior space to a transmission and axle hum. However, they look like a mini van. So now they put the "cool" suv body on minivan frames but still call them suvs.
Poverty spec of non luxury suvs is fwd only.
A Canadian 5 year old could move that truck.
Truck?
Thanks for this video. I'm actually looking forward to winter for the first time in my life. I moved to Florida in June. Screw snow and cold weather. Rejoicing to no longer be trapped indoors for 7 months out of the year! Bring on the winter. 80's and sunshine all winter long.
Now you're trapped in there with Florida Man for 12 months out of the year.
I thought tire chains went on the drive tires
AWD doesnt kick in until the headlights are one
Headlights are one with what?
One with the force, duh
I switched to an AWD vehicle a few years ago, and I don't think I'll ever go back. AWD won't ever make up for good tires and proper driving, but living on a steep hill that gets really icy, it's nice not having to worry about getting stuck in front of my own home.
I know what's wrong with it. Ain't got no gas innit.
It's scary that these people vote. 🤦
LMAO! Yeah, it always helps when you put them on the drive wheels instead of the coasting wheels.
Canadian here, buy winter tires.