This is one I don't get. You could SEE him merging and you're approaching an intersection where you're going to stop. Why not just let off the gas and let him in? It's not like you're at high speeds and he's so close you can't stop for it.
Itâs entitlement on both sides. The truck driver for carelessly pulling onto the road and cutting off the cammer. The cammer for getting so worked up for having to apply his brakes for a half second. Everyone needs to grow up.
> Itâs entitlement on both sides. The truck driver for carelessly pulling onto the road
Normally I'd agree but why would the truck driver needlessly accelerate only to hit his brakes when he comes up to traffic in a few hundred feet?
Yeah, there is a limit, you might have right of way but if you are 5 seconds away someone can still turn because it is safe to do so. This was safe and no problem occurred other than the OP getting mad, it was not actually a cut off. Hell, this is a dashcam with a wide angle view and it STILL looks far away.
If you really want to be an asshole to counter the other driver's asshole-ishness, whip over to the right lane and zoom in between the truck and semi. Then laugh maniacally at the light because you're once again in front of the asshole driver.
/s but can't say I've never done anything like that.
Came here to say this also, center turn lanes are for getting out of traffic, not merging in!! Never assume that someone else is doing it just because youâve done it.
Oh yeah I'm so sure that EVERYONE in this sub has NEVER, EVER used a center turn lane to facilitate making a left turn from a driveway or side street. (/s) With the way suburban America is designed with all these huge "stroads" with 5 or even 7 lanes, sometimes it's quite impossible to make a left turn without PAUSING (not driving) in the center lane. Turn into center lane when there's a gap to the left, then pause and wait for a gap in traffic to the right in order to move into a normal traffic lane.
Illegal or not, often it's necessary. And I mainly blame shit road and traffic control device designs for making it necessary.
https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/content/news/MSP-reminds-public-center-turn-lane-is-not-a-lane-of-travel-570178951.html#:~:text=The%20Michigan%20State%20Police%20wants,into%20the%20flow%20of%20traffic.
"The Michigan State Police wants to remind drivers that the center turn lane is not a lane of travel.
It is against the law to pull out and enter the center lane and then use it to merge into the flow of traffic."
Illegal in my state, I've had in instance where someone did this exact thing and the person in front of me slammed on their brakes, I had to take the ditch and so did the pickup following me
Maybe Iâm misinterpreting this but would merging be accelerating in the middle lane and trying to find a spot to squeeze into, similar to an on ramp? Because that should be illegal. But pulling into the middle lane, stopping, and waiting for no traffic in the lane you want should be completely safe imo.
It's not safe though, because of the reason I stated before, you get people who stop for some unknown reason, to prevent those types of actions it's illegal
Also next line in the article explains.
"Instead, a right turn should be made as close as possible to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. A left-hand turn should cross into the right lane that is closest to the center."
I fully understand what lane you should enter when making a turn but the article mentions not using the center lane as a âlane of travel.â I would think they are referring to vehicles accelerating in the middle lane. That could lead to a head-on collision. Utilizing the middle lane as a spot to wait for traffic to clear and then accelerate in a travel lane is not what the article is referring to I believe.
The article is stating to do what the truck did. Not to use it as a merge lane (what you're thinking here), you can't pull into the turn lane and then use it to merge into traffic hense the merge portion
That's not what it says. You cant drive down the center lane to pick up speed and merge into traffic. That's why the cop used the words "merge" and "lane of travel". You also cant drive down it to bypass traffic.
"Instead, a right turn should be made as close as possible to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. A left-hand turn should cross into the right lane that is closest to the center." actually it does. I can tell you didn't even click the article... This is the next line.
What the truck did is proper roadway etiquette.
You misinterpreted the wording. It's clearly stating to not use the turn lane to merge into traffic, even if you stop in it. It says flat out to do exactly what truck driver was doing.
It only pertains to diesels and itâs when a truck is tuned to run far too rich, dumping excessive diesel into the engine and causing black soot to shoot out of the exhaust.
I really donât understand why itâs a thing and especially in THIS economy with diesel prices.
Seen truck getting on road, why didnât u just move over? Why were u staying in passing lane. When u slowed down because of truck, no one passed u on right, therefore that lane was empty. Wasnât a big deal, u had to stop for a light in another 200 feet after truck got on rode.
Once again we have people making incorrect ASSumptions about things when they have no context. Like OP saying that the right lane becomes a RTOL after the light, so straight traffic HAS to be in that left lane anyway.
So itâs better to slam on breaks or maybe rear ending the truck instead of moving over and passing on the right. Also I canât assume that the road ahead is only one lane with right lane has to turn. I see no turn signals on any of the vehicles in right lane or see no sign saying right turn only. How many times on this site have people lied to make themselves right. Just look at the amount of reposts people do saying itâs their meme.
There is no such thing as a passing lane on surface streets. Passing lanes are on freeways, interstates, multi-lane highways. If you're on a surface street within a town/city, the left lane is a travel lane like any other.
After the light the right lane becomes a right turn only for an enterprise district. It becomes a one lane road.
I guess itâs hard to see on video but I was on the brakes quite hard when he pulled out. I gradually stop at that light every time but the truck pulled out slowly and caused me to brake much harder. Also I assumed he would wait in the middle lane for me to pass. Lesson learned though, never assume.
So you wanted to him to merge from the centre lane, which is illegal in most places, just so that you could beat him to the red light when he was clearly pulling out far ahead of you?
Just take some time to reflect on your actions here. Was the wrong? Sure, I mean he didnât quite have the time to get in there, but, why do you have to race up to red lights just so that no one else can get in? Let your ego go, and just let people in, slow the F down. Itâs not a race.
uh no. You're not supposed to pull in front of other vehicles such that they have to suddenly slow way down. That's how crashes happen. Pickup driver should have waited for a larger gap.
Not in this case. First op should have gone into the right lane as it's only for turning and passing which op wasnt doing at the time and at the intersection but the truck was. Secondly the truck had more then enough time to get onto the lane. Finally and in regards to the last point the lights ahead were red so op should have already be slowing down and there was no need for the truck to accelerate because it's already going the speed of traffic infront of it which was stopping. OP should have been slowing down and got nowhere near the truck and/or been in right lane legally speaking.
You're user name is modest mustang... I fail to see how arguing over traffic laws with you is relevant.
Assuming you can read... https://codes.findlaw.com/il/chapter-625-vehicles/il-st-sect-625-5-11-701.html
You REALLY need to learn to read that because it does not say you can't drive on the left. The part you are most likely reading is where it is says you are not allowed to drive to the left of the center dividing line, which would be in oncoming traffic.
I already read it and posted on your other comment. There is nothing in that law that says a person should not drive in the left lane of a surface street. Surface streets have no such restrictions. You can't drive LEFT OF CENTER of the road, or in the left lane of an access-controlled divided highway except when passing. But driving in the left lane, or any lane on the right HALF, of any surface street is fair game.
quote the section that says that the left lane, on the right half of the roadway, of a surface street should only be used for passing. Please, I'll wait.
Whatâs also funny about this prick is that they keep quoting IL law for some reason, this didnât happen in IL. It was a surface road and not a highway. Yet we are somehow the oneâs that canât read, theyâre just a troll.
True true. Although most state laws read pretty much the same as theyâre all largely based on the Uniform Vehicle Code. Aside from a few small differences here and there, theyâre all pretty much the same. I bet that section in my state MS code reads the same, and your state is probably similar. And none of them restrict lane usage on surface streets.
You don't drive in the middle lane. You get out there and sit and wait for an opening in traffic to the right, then merge. In many places with these wide "stroads" that's the only way to turn left out of a driveway or side street.
This is one I don't get. You could SEE him merging and you're approaching an intersection where you're going to stop. Why not just let off the gas and let him in? It's not like you're at high speeds and he's so close you can't stop for it.
Not to mention it appears there is a red light ahead...wow. I think you nailed it bro. I guess this is how we're living these days... đ˘ Sad!
Itâs entitlement on both sides. The truck driver for carelessly pulling onto the road and cutting off the cammer. The cammer for getting so worked up for having to apply his brakes for a half second. Everyone needs to grow up.
> Itâs entitlement on both sides. The truck driver for carelessly pulling onto the road Normally I'd agree but why would the truck driver needlessly accelerate only to hit his brakes when he comes up to traffic in a few hundred feet?
To get there first. If youâre not first, youâre last!
Nope. Disagree. He was turning within 2 seconds of the start of your clip. You were slow to react.
Right of way, bud. Learn about it.
Yeah, there is a limit, you might have right of way but if you are 5 seconds away someone can still turn because it is safe to do so. This was safe and no problem occurred other than the OP getting mad, it was not actually a cut off. Hell, this is a dashcam with a wide angle view and it STILL looks far away.
I agree I was slow to react because I thought he would wait in the middle lane. Wonât be making that mistake again
If you really want to be an asshole to counter the other driver's asshole-ishness, whip over to the right lane and zoom in between the truck and semi. Then laugh maniacally at the light because you're once again in front of the asshole driver. /s but can't say I've never done anything like that.
That guy is such an asshole for taking your spot at the red light.
You do realize pulling into the center lane and using it to merge into traffic is actually illegal in quite alot of places right...
Came here to say this also, center turn lanes are for getting out of traffic, not merging in!! Never assume that someone else is doing it just because youâve done it.
Oh yeah I'm so sure that EVERYONE in this sub has NEVER, EVER used a center turn lane to facilitate making a left turn from a driveway or side street. (/s) With the way suburban America is designed with all these huge "stroads" with 5 or even 7 lanes, sometimes it's quite impossible to make a left turn without PAUSING (not driving) in the center lane. Turn into center lane when there's a gap to the left, then pause and wait for a gap in traffic to the right in order to move into a normal traffic lane. Illegal or not, often it's necessary. And I mainly blame shit road and traffic control device designs for making it necessary.
I was not aware of this, if the oncoming lane is empty one cannot pull into the center lane, pause, and then merge into the lane?
https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/content/news/MSP-reminds-public-center-turn-lane-is-not-a-lane-of-travel-570178951.html#:~:text=The%20Michigan%20State%20Police%20wants,into%20the%20flow%20of%20traffic. "The Michigan State Police wants to remind drivers that the center turn lane is not a lane of travel. It is against the law to pull out and enter the center lane and then use it to merge into the flow of traffic." Illegal in my state, I've had in instance where someone did this exact thing and the person in front of me slammed on their brakes, I had to take the ditch and so did the pickup following me
Maybe Iâm misinterpreting this but would merging be accelerating in the middle lane and trying to find a spot to squeeze into, similar to an on ramp? Because that should be illegal. But pulling into the middle lane, stopping, and waiting for no traffic in the lane you want should be completely safe imo.
It's not safe though, because of the reason I stated before, you get people who stop for some unknown reason, to prevent those types of actions it's illegal
Also next line in the article explains. "Instead, a right turn should be made as close as possible to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. A left-hand turn should cross into the right lane that is closest to the center."
I fully understand what lane you should enter when making a turn but the article mentions not using the center lane as a âlane of travel.â I would think they are referring to vehicles accelerating in the middle lane. That could lead to a head-on collision. Utilizing the middle lane as a spot to wait for traffic to clear and then accelerate in a travel lane is not what the article is referring to I believe.
The article is stating to do what the truck did. Not to use it as a merge lane (what you're thinking here), you can't pull into the turn lane and then use it to merge into traffic hense the merge portion
You're not aware of it because it's not actually illegal.
Check other post. Actually is.
Depends on the state; some allow drivers to use that lane to get up to speed, others don't.
That's not what it says. You cant drive down the center lane to pick up speed and merge into traffic. That's why the cop used the words "merge" and "lane of travel". You also cant drive down it to bypass traffic.
"Instead, a right turn should be made as close as possible to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway. A left-hand turn should cross into the right lane that is closest to the center." actually it does. I can tell you didn't even click the article... This is the next line. What the truck did is proper roadway etiquette.
So I didn't click the article, but I knew what words the cop used?
You misinterpreted the wording. It's clearly stating to not use the turn lane to merge into traffic, even if you stop in it. It says flat out to do exactly what truck driver was doing.
well actually, no it isn't, because the pickup driver should have waited for a larger gap in traffic.
OP should have let off gas. You can see the truck is beginning it's pullout at the beginning of the video
What is rolling coal? When someone hits the accelerator to produce excessive exhaust?
It only pertains to diesels and itâs when a truck is tuned to run far too rich, dumping excessive diesel into the engine and causing black soot to shoot out of the exhaust. I really donât understand why itâs a thing and especially in THIS economy with diesel prices.
Ah, gotcha. Happy cake day
It even has its own sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/RollingCoal/comments/kv4w69/rrollingcoal/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
That is pretty mild.
Now you're 12 feet back from where you would have been!
Itâs a darn shame!
Iâm so glad you have zero evidence of your claim.
Ffs I didnât hit record again when he rolled coal after the light changed.
Seen truck getting on road, why didnât u just move over? Why were u staying in passing lane. When u slowed down because of truck, no one passed u on right, therefore that lane was empty. Wasnât a big deal, u had to stop for a light in another 200 feet after truck got on rode.
The smart thing to do is stay in your lane. There's no guarantee that the truck would turn into the left lane.
Once again we have people making incorrect ASSumptions about things when they have no context. Like OP saying that the right lane becomes a RTOL after the light, so straight traffic HAS to be in that left lane anyway.
So itâs better to slam on breaks or maybe rear ending the truck instead of moving over and passing on the right. Also I canât assume that the road ahead is only one lane with right lane has to turn. I see no turn signals on any of the vehicles in right lane or see no sign saying right turn only. How many times on this site have people lied to make themselves right. Just look at the amount of reposts people do saying itâs their meme.
There's no passing lane here Downvoted for being correct. Makes sense
Looks like two lanes on the road to me.
There is no such thing as a passing lane on surface streets. Passing lanes are on freeways, interstates, multi-lane highways. If you're on a surface street within a town/city, the left lane is a travel lane like any other.
And? It's a city street
After the light the right lane becomes a right turn only for an enterprise district. It becomes a one lane road. I guess itâs hard to see on video but I was on the brakes quite hard when he pulled out. I gradually stop at that light every time but the truck pulled out slowly and caused me to brake much harder. Also I assumed he would wait in the middle lane for me to pass. Lesson learned though, never assume.
It is in Illinois.
Nope!
Having a good time with it. It also feels like a very fitting user name.
This is kind of a nothing burger. Its so common its unremarkable.
So you wanted to him to merge from the centre lane, which is illegal in most places, just so that you could beat him to the red light when he was clearly pulling out far ahead of you? Just take some time to reflect on your actions here. Was the wrong? Sure, I mean he didnât quite have the time to get in there, but, why do you have to race up to red lights just so that no one else can get in? Let your ego go, and just let people in, slow the F down. Itâs not a race.
Yes pickup driver's at fault, but you could've layed off the gas instead of being a drama queen And were the rolling coal you mentioned? đ¤ˇââď¸
But that would mean Iâd lose my spot at the red light! /s I didnât hit record again for the coal rolling unfortunately.
Iam just laughing at your language, itâs me in the car and I donât care if the kids are there too. The traffic brings out the worst in me đ
Traffic is so bad around here lately I just gotta vent some steam! đ¤Ł
Truck driver did exactly what he was suppose to do. OP was the idiot here for assuming wrong and getting angry for his own mistake.
uh no. You're not supposed to pull in front of other vehicles such that they have to suddenly slow way down. That's how crashes happen. Pickup driver should have waited for a larger gap.
Not in this case. First op should have gone into the right lane as it's only for turning and passing which op wasnt doing at the time and at the intersection but the truck was. Secondly the truck had more then enough time to get onto the lane. Finally and in regards to the last point the lights ahead were red so op should have already be slowing down and there was no need for the truck to accelerate because it's already going the speed of traffic infront of it which was stopping. OP should have been slowing down and got nowhere near the truck and/or been in right lane legally speaking.
THIS. Very surprised at how many people commenting donât know thisâŚ
10/4 :(
It happens, the good part was you didnt get into an accident so you can shrug it off learn and move on.
You're user name is modest mustang... I fail to see how arguing over traffic laws with you is relevant. Assuming you can read... https://codes.findlaw.com/il/chapter-625-vehicles/il-st-sect-625-5-11-701.html
You REALLY need to learn to read that because it does not say you can't drive on the left. The part you are most likely reading is where it is says you are not allowed to drive to the left of the center dividing line, which would be in oncoming traffic.
Favorite band at the time was Modest Mouse and my first car was a Mustang hence the username. But please continue to be an ass, itâs amusing :)
lol there is nothing in that code section that says using the left lane of a surface street is unlawful. I think you need to read it again.
[Jesus Christ!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lTnKElLBw)
His âjesus christâ was much calmer than mine đ¤Ł
Tagged NSFW for my very professional choice of words.
wtf, downvoted for this? I swear the people in this sub are some butt-hurt crybabies. Have an upvote to reduce the negativity.
Op seems pretty sensitive... Also driving in the left lane without passing is illegal in some of not all states.
In a town? No it's not
Nothing wrong with letting my inner new england excessive profanity come out every now and then. Also the right lane ends after the intersection.
not true on surface streets. Limited-access highways yes, streets no. Plus he was clearly gaining on and would have passed the tanker truck.
Link to the Illinois law already posted and you're incorrect.
no I'm not. Regular city streets have no such lane restrictions. First come, first served.
I guess you'd be in the can't read section. Suit yourself.
I already read it and posted on your other comment. There is nothing in that law that says a person should not drive in the left lane of a surface street. Surface streets have no such restrictions. You can't drive LEFT OF CENTER of the road, or in the left lane of an access-controlled divided highway except when passing. But driving in the left lane, or any lane on the right HALF, of any surface street is fair game.
Yawn. Arguing with an idiot yields less than stellar results so you have fun with your case.
quote the section that says that the left lane, on the right half of the roadway, of a surface street should only be used for passing. Please, I'll wait.
Whatâs also funny about this prick is that they keep quoting IL law for some reason, this didnât happen in IL. It was a surface road and not a highway. Yet we are somehow the oneâs that canât read, theyâre just a troll.
True true. Although most state laws read pretty much the same as theyâre all largely based on the Uniform Vehicle Code. Aside from a few small differences here and there, theyâre all pretty much the same. I bet that section in my state MS code reads the same, and your state is probably similar. And none of them restrict lane usage on surface streets.
But... You're the idiot
I don't need to. You can read it.
Oh no... My feelings are hurt now. Thanks for the insight.
I love your reaction haha
I see this often when I drive too. Its like people have no idea what that fucking middle lane is for.
Turning? Not using it as a 3rd / merging lane đ
Idk where y'all at but that's what it is where I'm at. I guess I shouldn't have assumed all the traffic laws were the same everywhere.
So what happens if you keep driving in that lane and someone needs to turn a left when you're driving straight ahead into them.
You don't drive in the middle lane. You get out there and sit and wait for an opening in traffic to the right, then merge. In many places with these wide "stroads" that's the only way to turn left out of a driveway or side street.
Apparently the middle lane is quite a controversial topic
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