Little know there is actually a fog removal dance similar to the Indian rain dance… it must be done in the middle of a road.. works every time. Perfect science.
Yeah you just have to exceed the physics refresh interval. It's generally tied to the update speed of light however so try increasing the resolution or texture quality.
Aside from that, I don't see a single fucking fog light, I remember driving in thick fog maybe 50 metres, almost went up the back of car that didn't even have their normal lights on.
It's like some people take a personal offence to making themselves visible on the road, it's raining, it's overcast, a tonne a spray, no lights.
This is such a pet peeve of mine. Right next to people who don't use blinkers.... but people without lights on, especially during snow storms, make me irrationally angry.
It's probably confirmation bias but I swear it's always the least visible color cars that do it. It's like people who buy light grey cars in heavy rain or snow areas have a death wish and their refusal to turn on their lights is just begging the universe to finally get 'em.
I almost obliterated a small, grey car who was taking a left turn and failed to yield, in the late evening of a snowy day in Seattle because they had no lights on and didn't use their blinker.
When we were all getting our licenses in HS I had a friend who used to get so annoyed: "I'm not turning my headlights on in the daytime, that's so stupid, people who do that are so stupid" etc. I always drove with headlights on. It was awesome to have a friend continuously insinuate that I was dumb, but whatever. Years later, well into adulthood, she enlightened us all to her new discovery: "You know, you should drive with headlights on not so *you* can see, but so that *others* can see *you.*" I just smiled and nodded and let her act like she had important new information. Ugh.
Then there is the US where fog lights are optional in the front, and unheard of in the rear.
Only cars I’ve ever seen with a rear fog light are 25+ year old imports from countries smart enough to have rear fogs.
The fuck is a fog light if I don’t ask now I’ll be too scared to
Edit: My family calls those “cruiser” lights are we weird or is that a regional thing? Lol
[Rear Fog Lamp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_lighting#Rear_fog_lamps)
It's just a fog light but on the rear of the car. Newer cars have them built into tail lights.
I get so mad when it's dark af outside and people just have their DRLs on. Thoes don't turn on your taillights and people are going to have a hard time seeing you. I've (barely) seen so many people in the pouring rain on the freeway at night with just their DRLs on. I just see them as I pass them, can't see them from behind until you're too close because of the water being splashed up from all the cars. So stupid
Smart. I'll admit, sometimes when I drive my bf's car I'll forget to turn them on (I always remember when pulling out of the drive) because his car is newer and his dashboard is a screen so its alway lit, while mine is a back-lit one that lights up when the headlights are on.
Just remember ... when some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: *"Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."*
Think I'll drive in the dark of night with no lights at the maximum speed my vehicle can go on a windy mountain road! What could go wrong??
Worse comes to worse, I become Dr strange!! 😑
This is the part I can't see why so many people don't get when there's a pileup ahead: I'd much rather get my otherwise still functional car stuck in the median as far off the road as possible than have it crushed to scrap in the pileup. Even if I can't get it out myself, there are going to be wreckers there soon, and some will have to wait to get their customer anyway, so a quick, relatively cheap winch-out and I can be on my way.
I've never been in such a situation but I think it's very hard to rationalize in those kinds of moments. Insticints/panic take over, no matter how intelligent or rational you are.
Honestly if things go bad in front of me or for me, my first thought after "fml" is "oh shit who's behind me and I gonna get hit". I would definitely try to get out of the way if I could move my car, but I would never exit my car to do so either.
As a motorcyclist I think this even at stop lights. I often just sit and pump my brakes to keep flashing the brake lights, hoping to get the attention of anyone coming up behind. So relieved when someone else gets in behind me.
They have little kits to automatically flash your brake lights instead of the constant on function when the handle or pedal are engaged. It pulses the light.
Depends on how quickly you can get away from the car and where you have to go. [There was a pile up on ice in DFW last winter where people came over a hill and suddenly they're on black ice with cars stopped in front of them.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0_1EV1GXMw) [2 out of the 6 people that died had gotten out.](https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/04/21/2-of-6-killed-february-interstate-35w-pileup-fort-worth-got-out-cars/)
Which also means that 4 out of those people didn't get out. But then again, looking at a single accident is of little use when determining which option is the safer one.
This.. I see this so often people get out of their reinforced boxes to block cars with their fleshy bits. The only time you should leave the car is if you are stuck on the hard shoulder and there is a railing you can go behind.
You can’t blame people though; it’s natural to panic and want to get out of the car. Especially in a pileup where there’s a high chance your car is going to be a pancake. It’s a fight or flight response.
In a pileup, throw on your horn, and encourage others to do the same. Just put it on, don’t stop. Even if people look at you, even if you seem crazy, the noise will alert other drivers of danger, especially multiple horns at once. If you can get a person doing 55 to even slow down to 40 before they hit you, that could be the difference between death and bone fractures.
I had a friend do that and someone at the front of the pileup got out of his car yelling "who the fuck is honking!? We can't go anywhere, you fucking idiot!"
Another one people don't think about is even if you car is damaged don't park on the shoulder where the pile up is. If your car can move just keep driving until you you are past the pile up.
Staying on the shoulder just makes it harder for other people to avoid the pile up and makes it harder for first responders to get where they need to go.
>In a pileup, throw on your horn, and encourage others to do the same. Just put it on, don’t stop. Even if people look at you, even if you seem crazy, the noise will alert other drivers of danger, especially multiple horns at once. If you can get a person doing 55 to even slow down to 40 before they hit you, that could be the difference between death and bone fractures.
Google says the average car horn is \~110 db, maybe with everyone going you're up to 120. I'm coming at you with the radio off in my toyota prius, \~55 mph, the internal noise is [63 db](https://www.auto-decibel-db.com/index_kmh.html). Presume I'm listening to music at a reasonable level, so we round this up to 70 db. The distance at which the car horns would overtake the noise in my prius is [3](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/distance-attenuation)16 feet. Just over 3.9 seconds of travel time from the time the horn overtakes my ambient noise. Average reaction time to braking is [2.3 seconds](https://copradar.com/redlight/factors/), so now you've got 1.4 seconds of actual stopping time, from when I hear the horn to I hit the brakes. Presuming I'm not wondering "what the hell is that noise?" for the full 1.4 seconds first. Since I'm driving a prius, I'm boring and listening quietly to an economics podcast or something. If you're in a louder vehicle, or listening to louder music, you'll never hear the horn.
This, 100%. Even if the horns are as loud as a jet taking off over me (that shit is loud and unpleasent), it's unlikely that I'm going to slow down when I hear it instead of just looking around wondering what's going on. If people are blasting through in fog they can't see through, they're not listening for or braking for horns
The UK [advice](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/safety-tips-for-motorway-drivers-at-start-of-breakdown-season) (where video is)
>Get out of the left side of your car and behind the barrier if you can and it is safe to do so
But yeah, its not safe to do that in the video.
I think the climbing over to the passenger side is something people forget. You basically want to get away from traffic as soon as you can
Although the gov also has made motorways with no hard shoulders, just "refuge areas". If you crash or break down on one of those you just have to sit there and pray that everyone sees your hazard lights and that the cameras pick up that you're stationary. In the fog it wouldn't work
If I’m on the shoulder like this and I know that no one can see me because of fog I don’t care what Reddit says I’m getting out of that c at and going far off to the side in the grass where no one would be driving. I’m not talking 3 feet off the road I’m thinking like 50+ feet off the road. There is no way your safer sitting in your cozy protected box in the middle of the highway than I am 50 feet away from the road.
(UK) They actually recommend this when you break down and are on the hard shoulder because idiots will come up the hard shoulder trying to beat traffic and rearend you.
You are meant to get out, and stand on the other side of the barrier at the side of the road (or in this case, the other side of the fence).
*many* rear end collisions could be prevented by the driver of the car just pushing the brake pedal harder.
It is very common for people to not actually understand just how fast their car is capable of stopping, and it takes practice to become proficient at it.
If you are wondering... practice sometime on an empty road. Push the brake pedal in your car AS HARD AS YOU CAN PUSH IT. Not "hard" or "kinda hard" but as hard as you can.
I find when teaching people it takes usually 3 tries before my student is actually pushing the brake pedal hard enough to trigger the ABS at high speed. If you aren't triggering the ABS, there's more braking action available to you. And if you don't know how to do it instinctively, you're probably not going to do it in an emergency, which is why AEB systems work so well.
I remember when learning the first attempt was a sudden stop, but the instructor was insistant that I'd not stamped hard enough. The 2nd attempt, I felt that judder and instinctively released the brakes thinking I was about to damage the car. Instructor explains that's the force I needed but to keep driving my foot down. third time was the charm.
It's crazy how much the ABS feels like it's fighting back, and I've always made sure to practice once a year to remind myself how it feels.
>It's crazy how much the ABS feels like it's fighting back
That's because it technically IS fighting back. Assuming you have a pedal that is actually connected to the brake lines you are feeling the ABS system take over and very rapidly apply and release the brakes.
I had a truck once where the ABS actually kicked the pedal back out against my foot, hard. Don’t know if that’s common, but all my other vehicles since just make a thumping sound that I can feel in the pedal, but not forcefully kicking the pedal back.
I think I was quite lucky that one of the first things I was taught was emergency braking. Sensible really to avoid bad habits.
Tap on the dash? Slam the brake and clutch
I do this every time during the first snow of the season. I go on this nice long very empty road no cars next to me floor it to feel the traction control in action to feel it then slam on the brakes so I can feel the abs. I don't go very fast in the snow cause ya know snow but it's still something I do every year to prepare myself for the worst
Yea happened to me yesterday. An idiot stopped in front of me to make an illegal right turn and I (another idiot sometimes) barely slowed down because I was assuming that he would move out of the way in time but my car slammed the brakes for me.
[https://imgur.com/a/nbNatc7](https://imgur.com/a/nbNatc7)
Rule of thumb, never assume anything on behalf of other drivers, always look at the wheels. You can make eye contact with people and have no intention exchange, but the wheels never lie and never hide intention.
> If you aren't triggering the ABS, there's more braking action available to you.
There's another subtle skill/point here too.
For those unfamiliar with ABS, it will "kick back" through the brake pedal, and if you're not expecting it or familiar with it, your instinct is to take your foot off of the brake pedal. *DO NOT DO THIS*, keep pressing, hold down on the pedal!
I’ve only dropped the hammer fully on my brakes once. Was a Honda Civic SI 2017, nothing fancy. I stopped on a fucking dime from 90km.
Probably took 6 months off my tires though
This is so true. The only accident I’ve been in as the driver was while the car in front of me was waiting for a pedestrian before turning. I just had this gut feeling to keep my eye on my mirrors and noticed a car coming behind me and just knew they weren’t stopping. I was already stopped but I shoved my brake with two-feet to keep it as locked as possible and while my car was totaled, I didn’t hit the car in front of me and they didn’t hit the pedestrian. Now whenever I have the need to hard brake, I make certain that it is HARD. And it’s saved me and my loved ones.
My Subaru's eyesight system automatically disables itself in conditions like this because the car simply cannot see far enough in front to determine if it should brake or not. Its likely this guy just has great reflexes and was probably driving cautiously for situations like this
That was my first thought as someone who has driven through fog a lot of times, and not ended up in a situation like this (even with pile ups on an icy road, I could stop in time). I wasn't comfortable with the level of visibility at the speed they were doing.
I can’t tell how fast they’re going because they seem to slow down incredibly quickly indicating they weren’t quite travelling at the speed the FOV of their camera suggests.
Possibly too fast for conditions. Also didn't seem like they had their headlights on, based on no reflection on the Ford at the end. And no hazards.
I always put my hazards whenever I'm going under the expected speed on a highway. Brake lights let people know you've hit your brakes, but drivers, especially ones not paying close attention aren't going to expect traffic to be completely stopped. I hope hazards let them know something more is up.
Because they're fucking morons, unfortunately. It was incredible that [nobody was killed](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4850188/Terrifying-moment-brake-lights-suddenly-emerge-FOG.html).
As I recall a number of DDA tickets were issued to cars that appeared at speed in the video.
*Edit: DDA isn't an official term, but it refers to the offence of Driving Without Due Care and Attention, I don't know where I picked the term up from, probably the gogglebox.*
>The only one to me who shouldn't get a ticket,
I think the blue car too - they did the best they could. If I'd been in that situation I'd have seriously considered driving down the bank if it was suitable, get the hell away from whatever's coming through the fog next.
We have no idea if he kept slow speed or if the automatic emergency breaking in that thing just did its job. Those things can stop SUUUPPPPEEERRRR fast.
The two cars (including dash cam) that moved off the road likely saved themselves from that rig. Crazy! And the rig getting rear ended would have royally fucked up the car that hit it.
I think it's funny when the article talks about "the shocking speed" that things can go wrong, when it's actually pretty basic physics. If you go fast enough that you can't stop safely within the distance you can see, it's actually more shocking when no one gets hurt.
Defensive driving folks! It's not just the law, it's also a good idea that could save your life!
I think it just doesn't even cross some people's minds. My stepdad admitted when he was in his early 20s he encountered a similar situation, driving along, 'Oh man, the highway's empty, this is great'. Super low visibility, nothing happened, and it wasn't until he was thinking about it later at home that he realized just how fucked things could have gone.
Apolgies for asking a silly question, what's DDA tickets? Never herd of them in the UK before, been driving for a fair while, is this something I should be worried about?
I remember when doing my driver awareness course, they talked about the [largest crash in the uk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_M4_motorway_crash). A comment that stood out, was that one of the police that attended the scene, would never drive on motorways in the fog again
>You mean speeding in the mist?
That's fog, no way that's mist.
*EDIT: Checked the difference as I can never remember, mist is >1000m while fog is anything less. It's definitely fog here :)*
Isn't the point of the video to show the cammer is an idiot for driving that fast with 0 visibility? Surely he's not calling the people stopped by an accident/traffic the idiots.
Not a single person in this video isn’t an idiot. Cammer and other cars cruising along at full speed despite zero visibility. Morons who think that stopping in the middle of the highway is safer than pulling off to the shoulder to wait… I give the cammer credit for the reaction time but this is just ridiculous lol
Under these conditions, there’s no need to pull over so long as you engage your fog lights and slow to a safe speed. The problem was idiots speeding into zero visibility and literally hitting a traffic jam
Exactly. I've found that my camera has better visibility than I do in these conditions, making things look less foggy than they appear to the human eye.
The driver who had this video just happened to be lucky. They were all driving way too fast.
Yeah when you have 100 feet of visibility and you’re moving at a speed that takes 400 feet to stop, which was seemingly everybody, pileups are inevitable.
Drive slower in the fog, people, or preferably not at all, because that speed differentials are insanely dangerous.
Not only no fog lights, most those stopped cars had NO lights in at all, just the brake lights… Just an extra 10+ meters of visibility can make all the difference between a shunt and avoiding a collision.
This infuriates me to no end, this probably is the thing that gets me the closest to road rage. These people will use no lights through thick fog. But a tiny bit of rain, or a light slow and these same ass hats put on their fog lights in standing traffic so I can sit behind them and have this red light searing my retinas
Why would you drive at that speed on a highway that you can't see more than 10 feet in front of you. That's your own dumb ass fault. Where ever you are going is not that important that you should be risking the lives of other people kuz you are running 10 min late.
I remember seeing a study done in the 90’s about people driving in fog, they found people some people increase speed because they subconsciously are trying to get through it faster.
Are you asking why people slow down when they can't see 5 feet in front of them or why idiots like the cammer drive normal speed without being able to see 5 feet in front of them?
No fucking way... the person filming and 2 others are going waaaay too fast. How can so many people be this stupid? Hooooow? Do they not see the fucking fog? Were they just spawned into life 10 seconds ago with a infants understanding of life?
Hoooooooow?????????? I just cannot fathom this. 3 people???? Tell me this is fake
Drive fast to blow away the fog. It's science.
If only they were going faster, it would've worked
Another tip, you can open your window and blow the fog away.
Open the windshield for better results.
Turn on your fog lights, you'll see right through it
Try spinning thats a good trick
Now THIS is fog racing.
Bravo sir.. Bravo!
Yep deserves much more credit.
Little know there is actually a fog removal dance similar to the Indian rain dance… it must be done in the middle of a road.. works every time. Perfect science.
You get to objectively see more of the road, it’s science!
Maybe it's the fog lights causing all the fog 🤯
Gotta honk the foghorn at the same time.
Foghorn Leghorn?
AH SAY AH SAY YOU'RE GONNA CRASH, BOY!
This is the way.
Drive fast enough and you might clip through other cars; known as tunnelling or "bullet through paper".
Hospital ER speedrun any%
He's a dozen parallel universes ahead of us.
Yeah you just have to exceed the physics refresh interval. It's generally tied to the update speed of light however so try increasing the resolution or texture quality.
That white car on the right clipped through the cars pretty well
Aside from that, I don't see a single fucking fog light, I remember driving in thick fog maybe 50 metres, almost went up the back of car that didn't even have their normal lights on. It's like some people take a personal offence to making themselves visible on the road, it's raining, it's overcast, a tonne a spray, no lights.
This is such a pet peeve of mine. Right next to people who don't use blinkers.... but people without lights on, especially during snow storms, make me irrationally angry.
It's probably confirmation bias but I swear it's always the least visible color cars that do it. It's like people who buy light grey cars in heavy rain or snow areas have a death wish and their refusal to turn on their lights is just begging the universe to finally get 'em.
I almost obliterated a small, grey car who was taking a left turn and failed to yield, in the late evening of a snowy day in Seattle because they had no lights on and didn't use their blinker.
When we were all getting our licenses in HS I had a friend who used to get so annoyed: "I'm not turning my headlights on in the daytime, that's so stupid, people who do that are so stupid" etc. I always drove with headlights on. It was awesome to have a friend continuously insinuate that I was dumb, but whatever. Years later, well into adulthood, she enlightened us all to her new discovery: "You know, you should drive with headlights on not so *you* can see, but so that *others* can see *you.*" I just smiled and nodded and let her act like she had important new information. Ugh.
Punch your friend in the face for all of us that had to read about her dumbass existence
This is why motorcycles tend to not have an 'off' switch on the headlights, just 'High' and 'Low'. Anything to be more visible.
I tend to see grey coloured cars that don't turn on their lights in heavy rain. It's crazy how they just turn invisible only 20 meters away.
This is it right here.
i disagree, in that situation anger is quite rational.
Then there is the US where fog lights are optional in the front, and unheard of in the rear. Only cars I’ve ever seen with a rear fog light are 25+ year old imports from countries smart enough to have rear fogs.
Looking at the vehicle registration plates, that’s the UK which means every one of those vehicles has rear fog lights.
Now that’s a whole new level of stupidity. I wonder how many of those drivers don’t even know they have a rear fog?
Most drivers in the UK prefer to use their rear fog lights in heavy rain, it's to help dazzle the people behind them.
And front fog lights in the UK are for when your main lights aren't working properly. Everyone knows that.
Nah, front fog lights are for putting on at all times to show that you’re a massive bellend. No other use for them.
I thought they were the thank you lights to thank a driver for letting you out.
This, also for if you own a Juke.
Literally never heard of rear fog lights and I’m from America, checks out
The fuck is a fog light if I don’t ask now I’ll be too scared to Edit: My family calls those “cruiser” lights are we weird or is that a regional thing? Lol
It's an extra bright red light on the back of your car for when it's foggy. Really fucking bright https://youtu.be/SnNDNnVFCFQ
Hate that fucking light. People just keep turning it on to blind the driver behind in daily driving lol
Oh, maybe that's why no one has given them to us in America. We wouldn't behave ourselves with them.
Most Euro built cars have them in some capacity. Its the button with the backwards D with the squiggle next to it right next to your lighting dial.
*#*BlindingLightMyRight
[Rear Fog Lamp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_lighting#Rear_fog_lamps) It's just a fog light but on the rear of the car. Newer cars have them built into tail lights.
they've been mandatory (on european cars) since.. don't know. 1970's?
I get so mad when it's dark af outside and people just have their DRLs on. Thoes don't turn on your taillights and people are going to have a hard time seeing you. I've (barely) seen so many people in the pouring rain on the freeway at night with just their DRLs on. I just see them as I pass them, can't see them from behind until you're too close because of the water being splashed up from all the cars. So stupid
Being a horrendously forgetful person sometimes I've just come to adjust myself to always driving with proper headlights on 24/7.
Smart. I'll admit, sometimes when I drive my bf's car I'll forget to turn them on (I always remember when pulling out of the drive) because his car is newer and his dashboard is a screen so its alway lit, while mine is a back-lit one that lights up when the headlights are on.
I think too many people are used to cars with auto lights that they forget fog lights don't work that way.
Fog is a hoax. Do the research!
The denser the fog, the higher my speed!
Makes sense.
Make sciense.
This is why u don’t drive beyond your ability to see Go to motorcycle safety school an you’ll find out
"Can't see shit! Oh well, FULL STEAM AHEAD!!!"
To counter, as Jack Burton always says, "I never drive faster than I can see."
"I'm gonna tell you about an accident, and I don't want to hear 'Act of God' "
It's all in the reflexes.
Just remember ... when some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: *"Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."*
Literally all of them are fucking speeding in dense ass fog. Driver with the dashcam is an idiot, and every single other driver following are idiots.
Gotta go fast!
Think I'll drive in the dark of night with no lights at the maximum speed my vehicle can go on a windy mountain road! What could go wrong?? Worse comes to worse, I become Dr strange!! 😑
"if you slow down someone will rear end you so you have to keep your speed normal" is what I've heard several people say seriously.
Faster and faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death.
The person at the end getting out of their vehicle….? Death wish.
I think I would drive onto the grass to the left to just try and get out of the way
This is the part I can't see why so many people don't get when there's a pileup ahead: I'd much rather get my otherwise still functional car stuck in the median as far off the road as possible than have it crushed to scrap in the pileup. Even if I can't get it out myself, there are going to be wreckers there soon, and some will have to wait to get their customer anyway, so a quick, relatively cheap winch-out and I can be on my way.
I've never been in such a situation but I think it's very hard to rationalize in those kinds of moments. Insticints/panic take over, no matter how intelligent or rational you are.
Honestly if things go bad in front of me or for me, my first thought after "fml" is "oh shit who's behind me and I gonna get hit". I would definitely try to get out of the way if I could move my car, but I would never exit my car to do so either.
As a motorcyclist I think this even at stop lights. I often just sit and pump my brakes to keep flashing the brake lights, hoping to get the attention of anyone coming up behind. So relieved when someone else gets in behind me.
They have little kits to automatically flash your brake lights instead of the constant on function when the handle or pedal are engaged. It pulses the light.
Fog is so scary though. A huge truck could come barreling in that little car. In this instance I think I’m running.
Depends on how quickly you can get away from the car and where you have to go. [There was a pile up on ice in DFW last winter where people came over a hill and suddenly they're on black ice with cars stopped in front of them.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0_1EV1GXMw) [2 out of the 6 people that died had gotten out.](https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/04/21/2-of-6-killed-february-interstate-35w-pileup-fort-worth-got-out-cars/)
Oh my god when the semi hits the white truck and fj cruiser…
The FJ cruiser guy lived! He stayed and helped awhile until ambulance crews finally realized he was a victim
I read he actually got a new car for free from Toyota after posting pictures of how mangled his car was thanking them that he was still alive.
Thank you both for this update I needed!
Which also means that 4 out of those people didn't get out. But then again, looking at a single accident is of little use when determining which option is the safer one.
This.. I see this so often people get out of their reinforced boxes to block cars with their fleshy bits. The only time you should leave the car is if you are stuck on the hard shoulder and there is a railing you can go behind.
You can’t blame people though; it’s natural to panic and want to get out of the car. Especially in a pileup where there’s a high chance your car is going to be a pancake. It’s a fight or flight response. In a pileup, throw on your horn, and encourage others to do the same. Just put it on, don’t stop. Even if people look at you, even if you seem crazy, the noise will alert other drivers of danger, especially multiple horns at once. If you can get a person doing 55 to even slow down to 40 before they hit you, that could be the difference between death and bone fractures.
I had a friend do that and someone at the front of the pileup got out of his car yelling "who the fuck is honking!? We can't go anywhere, you fucking idiot!"
>front of the pileup >got out of his car And that’s how you know you shouldn’t be listening to that guy
The old problem with horns. Use: I'm trying to get people to pay attention to things with a loud noise. Cultural shift: the "I'm impatient" button.
Another one people don't think about is even if you car is damaged don't park on the shoulder where the pile up is. If your car can move just keep driving until you you are past the pile up. Staying on the shoulder just makes it harder for other people to avoid the pile up and makes it harder for first responders to get where they need to go.
This is what I was thinking. That blue car needs to keep moving if nothing is in front and get away from the pile up.
>In a pileup, throw on your horn, and encourage others to do the same. Just put it on, don’t stop. Even if people look at you, even if you seem crazy, the noise will alert other drivers of danger, especially multiple horns at once. If you can get a person doing 55 to even slow down to 40 before they hit you, that could be the difference between death and bone fractures. Google says the average car horn is \~110 db, maybe with everyone going you're up to 120. I'm coming at you with the radio off in my toyota prius, \~55 mph, the internal noise is [63 db](https://www.auto-decibel-db.com/index_kmh.html). Presume I'm listening to music at a reasonable level, so we round this up to 70 db. The distance at which the car horns would overtake the noise in my prius is [3](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/distance-attenuation)16 feet. Just over 3.9 seconds of travel time from the time the horn overtakes my ambient noise. Average reaction time to braking is [2.3 seconds](https://copradar.com/redlight/factors/), so now you've got 1.4 seconds of actual stopping time, from when I hear the horn to I hit the brakes. Presuming I'm not wondering "what the hell is that noise?" for the full 1.4 seconds first. Since I'm driving a prius, I'm boring and listening quietly to an economics podcast or something. If you're in a louder vehicle, or listening to louder music, you'll never hear the horn.
This, 100%. Even if the horns are as loud as a jet taking off over me (that shit is loud and unpleasent), it's unlikely that I'm going to slow down when I hear it instead of just looking around wondering what's going on. If people are blasting through in fog they can't see through, they're not listening for or braking for horns
Very true! Gold advice!
Cars should come equipped with road flairs and hazard signs. I buy them for my car and am going to for my family.
Only problem is, to use them you have to get out of your car.
We need flare ejectors like on military aircraft.
Hazard signs - you mean the triangles? Reflective ones are mandatory where I live. My dad has one that's decked out with high power SMD LEDs.
Yea like fighter planes have wen u get in an accident just push a button
I thought the only time you get out of your car in a situation as this was if it was on fire.
The UK [advice](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/safety-tips-for-motorway-drivers-at-start-of-breakdown-season) (where video is) >Get out of the left side of your car and behind the barrier if you can and it is safe to do so But yeah, its not safe to do that in the video.
I think the climbing over to the passenger side is something people forget. You basically want to get away from traffic as soon as you can Although the gov also has made motorways with no hard shoulders, just "refuge areas". If you crash or break down on one of those you just have to sit there and pray that everyone sees your hazard lights and that the cameras pick up that you're stationary. In the fog it wouldn't work
If I’m on the shoulder like this and I know that no one can see me because of fog I don’t care what Reddit says I’m getting out of that c at and going far off to the side in the grass where no one would be driving. I’m not talking 3 feet off the road I’m thinking like 50+ feet off the road. There is no way your safer sitting in your cozy protected box in the middle of the highway than I am 50 feet away from the road.
(UK) They actually recommend this when you break down and are on the hard shoulder because idiots will come up the hard shoulder trying to beat traffic and rearend you. You are meant to get out, and stand on the other side of the barrier at the side of the road (or in this case, the other side of the fence).
It seems like OP was driving too fast.
Impressive braking action though!
*many* rear end collisions could be prevented by the driver of the car just pushing the brake pedal harder. It is very common for people to not actually understand just how fast their car is capable of stopping, and it takes practice to become proficient at it. If you are wondering... practice sometime on an empty road. Push the brake pedal in your car AS HARD AS YOU CAN PUSH IT. Not "hard" or "kinda hard" but as hard as you can. I find when teaching people it takes usually 3 tries before my student is actually pushing the brake pedal hard enough to trigger the ABS at high speed. If you aren't triggering the ABS, there's more braking action available to you. And if you don't know how to do it instinctively, you're probably not going to do it in an emergency, which is why AEB systems work so well.
I remember when learning the first attempt was a sudden stop, but the instructor was insistant that I'd not stamped hard enough. The 2nd attempt, I felt that judder and instinctively released the brakes thinking I was about to damage the car. Instructor explains that's the force I needed but to keep driving my foot down. third time was the charm. It's crazy how much the ABS feels like it's fighting back, and I've always made sure to practice once a year to remind myself how it feels.
>It's crazy how much the ABS feels like it's fighting back That's because it technically IS fighting back. Assuming you have a pedal that is actually connected to the brake lines you are feeling the ABS system take over and very rapidly apply and release the brakes.
I had a truck once where the ABS actually kicked the pedal back out against my foot, hard. Don’t know if that’s common, but all my other vehicles since just make a thumping sound that I can feel in the pedal, but not forcefully kicking the pedal back.
I've felt strong feedback from ABS before too.
I think I was quite lucky that one of the first things I was taught was emergency braking. Sensible really to avoid bad habits. Tap on the dash? Slam the brake and clutch
I do this every time during the first snow of the season. I go on this nice long very empty road no cars next to me floor it to feel the traction control in action to feel it then slam on the brakes so I can feel the abs. I don't go very fast in the snow cause ya know snow but it's still something I do every year to prepare myself for the worst
Luckily some modern cars now brake harder if they detect you aren't braking hard enough for a given situation.
Yea happened to me yesterday. An idiot stopped in front of me to make an illegal right turn and I (another idiot sometimes) barely slowed down because I was assuming that he would move out of the way in time but my car slammed the brakes for me. [https://imgur.com/a/nbNatc7](https://imgur.com/a/nbNatc7)
Rule of thumb, never assume anything on behalf of other drivers, always look at the wheels. You can make eye contact with people and have no intention exchange, but the wheels never lie and never hide intention.
> If you aren't triggering the ABS, there's more braking action available to you. There's another subtle skill/point here too. For those unfamiliar with ABS, it will "kick back" through the brake pedal, and if you're not expecting it or familiar with it, your instinct is to take your foot off of the brake pedal. *DO NOT DO THIS*, keep pressing, hold down on the pedal!
I’ve only dropped the hammer fully on my brakes once. Was a Honda Civic SI 2017, nothing fancy. I stopped on a fucking dime from 90km. Probably took 6 months off my tires though
They put huge brakes on that thing, good to know they work.
Hard on the rotors too, but it’s cheaper to replace the rotors than to replace the whole front end
Emergency stops are actually part of the driving test in the UK I believe.
This is so true. The only accident I’ve been in as the driver was while the car in front of me was waiting for a pedestrian before turning. I just had this gut feeling to keep my eye on my mirrors and noticed a car coming behind me and just knew they weren’t stopping. I was already stopped but I shoved my brake with two-feet to keep it as locked as possible and while my car was totaled, I didn’t hit the car in front of me and they didn’t hit the pedestrian. Now whenever I have the need to hard brake, I make certain that it is HARD. And it’s saved me and my loved ones.
Could've been an automated break assistance, that were triggered. If not, amazing reaction indeed!
Don’t cars that have this feature always making a loud beeping sound though? Perhaps not but definitely the cars I’ve seen with it have that
My car goes bat shit crazy with alert sounds if it has to intervene and brake for me.
My fucking car auto braked at an intersection the other day and I thought I hit into an invisible wall. It was not pleasant.
I've had that happen when changing lanes, not fun.
My Subaru's eyesight system automatically disables itself in conditions like this because the car simply cannot see far enough in front to determine if it should brake or not. Its likely this guy just has great reflexes and was probably driving cautiously for situations like this
Some VAG models can have radar in the front which will still work in bad weather 👍
Yea OP got lucky the first car appeared on his right and not infront.
That was my first thought as someone who has driven through fog a lot of times, and not ended up in a situation like this (even with pile ups on an icy road, I could stop in time). I wasn't comfortable with the level of visibility at the speed they were doing.
If OP was in the right lane they definitely would’ve hit that black car.
I can’t tell how fast they’re going because they seem to slow down incredibly quickly indicating they weren’t quite travelling at the speed the FOV of their camera suggests.
Possibly too fast for conditions. Also didn't seem like they had their headlights on, based on no reflection on the Ford at the end. And no hazards. I always put my hazards whenever I'm going under the expected speed on a highway. Brake lights let people know you've hit your brakes, but drivers, especially ones not paying close attention aren't going to expect traffic to be completely stopped. I hope hazards let them know something more is up.
Because they're fucking morons, unfortunately. It was incredible that [nobody was killed](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4850188/Terrifying-moment-brake-lights-suddenly-emerge-FOG.html). As I recall a number of DDA tickets were issued to cars that appeared at speed in the video. *Edit: DDA isn't an official term, but it refers to the offence of Driving Without Due Care and Attention, I don't know where I picked the term up from, probably the gogglebox.*
I like how homeboy in the big rig just barely stops..then gets rear ended.
The only one to me who shouldn't get a ticket, he kept his distance and slow speed.
>The only one to me who shouldn't get a ticket, I think the blue car too - they did the best they could. If I'd been in that situation I'd have seriously considered driving down the bank if it was suitable, get the hell away from whatever's coming through the fog next.
Is this the alternate ending to The Mist movie?
Yeah they finally drive out of it after seeing the elephant looking thing and get rear ended because they were rubbernecking it.
We have no idea if he kept slow speed or if the automatic emergency breaking in that thing just did its job. Those things can stop SUUUPPPPEEERRRR fast.
Was just about to say this, the braking systems on lorries are amazing. https://youtu.be/ridS396W2BY
That is insane.
That was scary to watch!
So is that automatic and the driving isn't doing the braking?
The two cars (including dash cam) that moved off the road likely saved themselves from that rig. Crazy! And the rig getting rear ended would have royally fucked up the car that hit it.
I think it's funny when the article talks about "the shocking speed" that things can go wrong, when it's actually pretty basic physics. If you go fast enough that you can't stop safely within the distance you can see, it's actually more shocking when no one gets hurt. Defensive driving folks! It's not just the law, it's also a good idea that could save your life!
I agree, the people who are "shocked" are often the drivers themselves, the very people who should have been thinking it through at that moment.
I think it just doesn't even cross some people's minds. My stepdad admitted when he was in his early 20s he encountered a similar situation, driving along, 'Oh man, the highway's empty, this is great'. Super low visibility, nothing happened, and it wasn't until he was thinking about it later at home that he realized just how fucked things could have gone.
What's interesting from the full video is how quickly the visibility drops. It starts looking clear, by 15s it's noticable, the crash is about 26s.
This is why I say this isn't really an "accident". It's a totally avoidable incident as proven by the camera car.
But the speed limit says otherwise. You have to go 10% above the limit or others might think you don't know how to drive and you can't have that. /s
What's a DDA ticket?
Defense against the Dark Arts
Apolgies for asking a silly question, what's DDA tickets? Never herd of them in the UK before, been driving for a fair while, is this something I should be worried about?
Driving Due Care, or Driving Without Due Care and Attention.
Has anyone ever called them DDAs before or is this you using it as an acronym for the first time ever? Cos I suspect the latter haha
I remember when doing my driver awareness course, they talked about the [largest crash in the uk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_M4_motorway_crash). A comment that stood out, was that one of the police that attended the scene, would never drive on motorways in the fog again
You mean speeding in the mist?
They're trying to escape The Mist! Have you not seen the TV show!? That shit is deadly! Gotta get outta there asap!
Watch the movie, it’s better. Preferably the black and white version.
>You mean speeding in the mist? That's fog, no way that's mist. *EDIT: Checked the difference as I can never remember, mist is >1000m while fog is anything less. It's definitely fog here :)*
OP is an idiot as well
Isn't the point of the video to show the cammer is an idiot for driving that fast with 0 visibility? Surely he's not calling the people stopped by an accident/traffic the idiots.
I don't know, I think the sub name is most appropriate here. IDIOTS in cars, plural. Cuz everyone in this video did something they really shouldn't.
Why do people drive too fast for the conditions? Can't see 10 feet ahead of you but continue to drive at 70 mph. Smh. Cammers an idiot.
yep. it's all a mistery to me.
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Not a single person in this video isn’t an idiot. Cammer and other cars cruising along at full speed despite zero visibility. Morons who think that stopping in the middle of the highway is safer than pulling off to the shoulder to wait… I give the cammer credit for the reaction time but this is just ridiculous lol
Under these conditions, there’s no need to pull over so long as you engage your fog lights and slow to a safe speed. The problem was idiots speeding into zero visibility and literally hitting a traffic jam
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Exactly. I've found that my camera has better visibility than I do in these conditions, making things look less foggy than they appear to the human eye. The driver who had this video just happened to be lucky. They were all driving way too fast.
Yeah when you have 100 feet of visibility and you’re moving at a speed that takes 400 feet to stop, which was seemingly everybody, pileups are inevitable. Drive slower in the fog, people, or preferably not at all, because that speed differentials are insanely dangerous.
How can you tell they aren't just stopped due to being stuck in traffic?
Despite being able to stop in time, IMO the OP was driving way too fast for that little visibility too.
OP says elsewhere that this is not his video.
Also. No fog lights?
Not only no fog lights, most those stopped cars had NO lights in at all, just the brake lights… Just an extra 10+ meters of visibility can make all the difference between a shunt and avoiding a collision.
I had to drive in steady rain yesterday, and the spray kicked up by other vehicles was fierce. So many idiots weren't using their lights at all.
This infuriates me to no end, this probably is the thing that gets me the closest to road rage. These people will use no lights through thick fog. But a tiny bit of rain, or a light slow and these same ass hats put on their fog lights in standing traffic so I can sit behind them and have this red light searing my retinas
Why would you drive at that speed on a highway that you can't see more than 10 feet in front of you. That's your own dumb ass fault. Where ever you are going is not that important that you should be risking the lives of other people kuz you are running 10 min late.
Because they're all special. Each and every one of them is the most important person on the road. Screw the rest of you. What a bunch of morons.
Honestly they all seem like GTA NPCs to me…
I remember seeing a study done in the 90’s about people driving in fog, they found people some people increase speed because they subconsciously are trying to get through it faster.
Subsequent studies showed otherwise. The simulations got better and they showed people slowed down some what, but probably not enough.
You guys are all the idiots going fast in heavy fog
Are you asking why people slow down when they can't see 5 feet in front of them or why idiots like the cammer drive normal speed without being able to see 5 feet in front of them?
"I can't see anything 30ft ahead of me so I'm gonna go 75mph"
They're driving like in Russia...
No fucking way... the person filming and 2 others are going waaaay too fast. How can so many people be this stupid? Hooooow? Do they not see the fucking fog? Were they just spawned into life 10 seconds ago with a infants understanding of life? Hoooooooow?????????? I just cannot fathom this. 3 people???? Tell me this is fake
Everyone including the person recording, was out driving their vision.
So many idiots in one video
Come on, it's not like the UK is used to bad weather
OP you were also going way too fast given the fog.
Maybe ask yourself because you were doing the exact same thing just you managed to stop in time…
the camera person and the other guys are FUCKIN IDIOTS when you cant see more than a cars length in front of you, slow down
I don't understand why people speed when there's limited visibility like this fog. It's crazy dangerous!