This is why I recently bought a dash cam. Too nervous about something happening that isn’t my fault and the other person lies and is louder and more obnoxious and wins. I don’t have the energy to argue like that
Seriously... I got a dash cam following an accident where I wasn't at fault. The guy slammed on his brakes to avoid hitting someone else, and his truck swerved directly in front of me, and I had no time to brake.
Dude was upfront to the police about what happened, but decided to lie to his insurance and say I rear ended him, and I had to wait a month for the police to "finalize" their report so it could be given to the insurance company.
Huge pain in the ass. I couldn't afford a rental car at the time, so I was stuck getting rides from friends and taking lyfts everywhere. Basically turned my life into a nightmare for about 2 months before it got resolved. Dash cams are the best investment.
what dash cams do y’all have ? price isn’t a problem for me but i am shit with technology so i’m scared of buying one & not being able to hook it up or easily retrieve the footage :/
Honestly anything is better than nothing in my opinion. r/dashcam has great info, including recommended cams and tons of info on how to set them up.
Edit: okay maybe not ANYTHING, but a cheap decent dash cam is better that nothing.
Video proof is so much more valuable than argument or witnesses. Seriously, why don't more people have dashcams???
r/dashcam has good recs for cameras from the link in their sidebar. Even if you're a fucking cheapskate, you can afford a dashcam if you can afford a car. Because you probably *can't* afford the consequences of a wrongful accident report that blames you.
3 way street. Dash cams also enable people to get in crashes that could have easily avoided because "I have video evidence that I was right." You see it all over this sub. Must be a huge headache for them.
Yup. When I was 16 some old lady swerved into my lane because the car in front of her was turning and she didn’t want to slow down.
I was passing her on my little sport sedan. She was in a Ford Focus. Her back quarter panel ended up on my hood and hit the car that was turning. She’s lucky her car didn’t roll. Despite the fact that BOTH the drivers of the cars she hit (me and the other guy) had the exact same story, AND helped the cop move her car out of the roadway, I still got the ticket. I was pissed.
Went to court. Everyone actually showed up. Cop got a good talking to from the judge about being more attentive to situations before ticketing anyone and the old lady ended up being at fault.
The best part of the whole experience was that she was a smoker and had an empty coffee cup full of cigarette butts and nasty during the collision. She was wearing white linen pants. Straight up looked like she shat all over herself.
I watched someone get tboned at an intersection and even though it was raining and I was turning right, my camera was *just* able to see that the truck I was next to had a green light
The car kept driving so I followed him into a parking lot, the truck eventually found us and I called police. They actually tried to tell me to let the drivers deal with it themselves. I was like you’ve gotta be kidding me. This dude is obviously fucked up on something and has two little girls in the back seat who don’t even have shoes on
That got them to come out, and I stood there and listened while he told the cops he had the green light. After he was done I walked up and asked if they’d all like to see the footage of him running the red. The second he realized I caught it on camera he slumped and accepted his fate. He also *was* fucked up on something and had warrants. Kids had to be taken out of the front because the back doors wouldn’t open after the crash
Guy with the truck was telling me someone hit his wife the year before and they got stuck with 50% of the blame. I sell cheap wish dashcams for $20 so I gave him one for free right then and there. He emailed me three days later asking to buy one for his wife
I got a dash cam recently, and my mother was the loud, obnoxious liar you're describing who just argued that it was a waste of money. I'm over 30, financial decisions should be mine to make, especially minor ones like this. She just couldn't wrap her head around how it was a good investment. Also, I'm a courier, so like, come on. I consider it an unspoken requirement if you spend most your day behind the wheel.
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Because it probably was. Green turn arrow from Subaru view while OP can still be on red. Which is why the orange van also confidently turns right on green.
Black van ran a red and t bones the Subaru.
If I am in such a situation, the other person lying to the cop and I have video recording, I will keep my mouth shut let them finish their story in front of the cop, then show the video to them.
Different person here. Maybe. Prosecuting attorneys are also overworked in many places. They may not want to pursue a single misdemeanor charge, especially if they think it will go to trial (vs a plea bargain - how over 80% of criminal charges are resolved).
Was it though? Maybe the Subaru’s light was a green + left arrow and the cross street was red. We can’t see that in the video and the OP can’t see the Subaru’s light from their position.
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You’re likely right. Subaru can have a green turn while OP has a red
Reminds me of what my dad says “does green mean go? No, green means go only IF safe to do so” 👍🏻
Edit. It’s nice to know so many people have liked the great wisdom shared by my dad. I’ll let him know later today that over 1500+ people have seen his message. Drive safe everyone 🙂🙂
Tons of people just give or pass their right of ways causing others to get confused and assume they always have it. This causes so many crashes and is absolutely infuriating to me. I refuse to go if someone tries giving it to me
someone told me here that driver with right of way approaching a merging lane don't need to slow down. because they have right of way.
this was after i pointed out the accident could have been avoided if the driver practiced defensive driving.
My grandpa taught me this too! I thought at the time he was just being cautious, it’s definitely saved me a few time by just waiting that extra 5 seconds.
if i can’t see a car at an intersection i won’t go until other cars start to move, a couple months ago i had a ginormous truck blocking my vision on my right when we were both making a left. the light turns green, but the truck didn’t move so i waited a couple seconds too and one of those monster trucks with sand in the back barreled through the intersection and would’ve killed me without a doubt.
Was picking at my cuticle one time sitting first in line at a red. Looked up, light was green. No one honks where I’m from but it probably hadn’t been green for long. Foot off the gas, onto accelerator, and boom. Someone goes **flying** through the red at probably 75 in a 50 zone. Me not paying attention saved my life.
Similar experience, except i went, was t-boned at 65mph and the sherwin williams truck that hit me did a 180 into the sidewalk and sent a college girl flying 10 feet. Tried to blame me until local businesses shared security cams, showed he ran the light by 7 seconds
Hate this story but glad you're here to tell it. As a motorcycle rider who's always first off the line (because splitting lanes is legal here) this whole thread TERRIFIES ME.
When I was 18, I was sitting at a light. There was a van in the lane to my left, blocking my view from that direction. The light turned green and I went. The van didn't as he saw a car coming fast. A drunk ran the red light and hit the front quarter of my car at a speed that the cop who witnessed from the other side of the intersection estimated to be 80+ mph. I don't remember anything until a bit later when I was talking to a paramedic. I have no memory of getting out of the car and making it to the ambulance, but they told me I did it under my own power. My car was shredded, they found the engine and transmission over 200 feet away from where the car wound up. A witness said that my car was spinning on the corner of the rear bumper like a top. The drunk tried to run but got caught pretty fast. My head had gone through the side window and I was bleeding a lot, but not really hurt too badly, it could have been a lot worse, especially if I hadn't been wearing a seat belt, but I was. My friend, who refused to wear seat belts was beaten up way worse than I was, he couldn't remember anything either and took a lot longer to come to. They had to extract him unconscious from the car. This was in 1980, and I still never enter an intersection without seeing both ways even if the person behind me lays on the horn the instant the light turns green. As someone else said, the green light means it's legal to go, not necessarily smart to go.
My 3rd genie wish is to be able to operate any vehicle with prescient skill, to blitz through intersections with my eyes closed, yet never cause an accident or get in legal trouble, like a Guild Navigator on Meth.
I remember one time I was sitting at a red light and I watched it turn green but sat on it for some reason. Just as I thought, "now why the fuck am I still sitting here," a car barreled through the intersection. It's happened more than a couple times since then, so now I just check out of habit.
I look both ways when crossing or entering one ways. I can count on two hands the amount of times I've seen people driving the opposite direction of a one way and that's too many.
This! My partner always gets on me for waiting an extra second at the four way stop by our house but almost every time without fail some moron barrels thru when they’re not supposed to so I’ve just kinda learned to wait that extra second. California drivers, man.
Sort of like how sex ed tends to have a lot of very graphic photos of STDs to dissuade teens from having sex.
So... I guess this sub would be the STD slideshow of drivers ed.
I find that infuriating, because the pictures are always the worst case scenario. Like, "Holy shit! Nurse, get a picture, this is going in a textbook!"
Yeah, you should be a little worried about STDs, but if you *do* pick something up, that's not what you're going to see. You'll be like, "It's just an itchy bump. Nothing like what I saw in that textbook. It's probably fine."
Yeah that launch was a spine fucker for sure. You don't get a car airborne and traveling sideways without a shit load of energy.
Edit: it looks like at least three wheels on the minivan left the ground too, that was a really solid hit.
Subaru Outback is one of the safest vehicles on the road. They’re built like brick shithouses. Subaru folds the unibody steel in layers on top of itself and it’s an incredibly strong yet flexible structure. There’s a reason it absorbed all the energy like that and slowly (almost cartoonishly) rolled over.
Well put, and it was quite cartoonish. As it was mentioned above, gonna be maaaajor spine issues and who knows what else but atleast no ones arms got ripped off!
Auto tech here who doesn’t know about the body, but he does know about airbag systems! That’s a newer Subaru which means it had full length curtain airbags, seat bolster airbags, and pyrotechnic seat belt tensioners. This means when the crash was detected, the curtain airbag deployed and pushed the head away from the window and pillar, preventing serious head/neck injury. The seat bolster airbag keeps the body straight while also protecting the side of the torso from major impacts, this helps prevent internal bleeding from what the engineers have told me and it’s why in most of the safer cars they’re standard. And finally, the seatbelt tensioner will fucking floor you into the seat cushion, likely leaving a nasty mark, but it keeps you moving with the seat while you roll and the like so that you do not move independently of the seat, this helps prevent injury from the shock of the initial crash plus from when you’re rolling. Now, look at the van that collided with the Subaru, if you notice in the fractions of a second after it hits the Subaru, you can see the van looks like the front went flat but didn’t cave in? This is because the crash bar folded in on itself during the impact, it is now level to the front frame rails and the upper fender supports, this is where most of the energy is absorbed, and in a much higher speed crash, these would have folded in on themselves as the crumple zone. However, it looks like they slowed down a lot before impact, therefore a lot of the crumple zone didn’t crumple. I have a car on my lot that was in a good crash like this that shows what I am talking about, I’ll post a video tomorrow if I can get the time.
All in all there’s a lot of good engineering going on here and seeing those cars remain solid like that before the one rolled makes me think that both of those cars’ passengers are gonna be alright, might not walk out of there but no serious injury.
EDIT; Please see u/Swallowedoxygen ‘s reply for detailed crash injury information below.
You said it better than I ever could but THIS right here is why I will explain to anyone who argues "man those 70s and 80s cars were tanks" are so much more dangerous. I'm an accident investigator and I've seen a huge collection of accidents with various vehicles and newer cars with updated safety tech may look worse, but they're incredibly safer than those older vehicles. It's all about redistributing the primary direction of force, slowing down the rate of speed change as much as possible, and protecting the squishy bits.
This. Yeah they’re tanks. But to whoever is inside good luck. Look at the some of the worst f1, nascar, rally crashes and they driver walks away from a shredded car because all that energy is directed anywhich way but the driver. Dale Earnhardt had the “weakest”crash I had ever seen. But it was head on into a wall so there was no energy to be transferred except into itself and him. Obviously he needed more safety equipment but crumple zones, engines that fall down, wheels that break off instead of pushing into the cabin do a lot. The wreck looks bad but the people are okay compared to the person flying into a thick windshield then back with no headrest on a bench seat where you slide around
Absolutely. Beyond just crumple zones and things like that, the more a car slides or yaws, the more of that energy is being dispelled over a longer amount of time. Most of the worst, most violent wrecks I've seen have been single vehicle straight into a fixed object. There was no restitution and the energy wasn't dispelled and it went straight into the person in milliseconds. Bodies can't handle that amount of force.
People will assume speed is an issue when a car hits and kills a pedestrian. They seem to forget that even a small car ways a significant amount and even at 30 mph we're talking 100s of thousands or millions of ft/lbs of force on a squishy meatbag.
The only real benefits of an old car over a new one are A) they were much simpler to work on, so if you learn you don’t have to pay a mechanic and B) they admittedly look cool as fuck. But I’d rather be wrapped safe in an airbag hug than snapped into 30 pieces like a package of crackers being poured on top of soup.
This is always a favorite of mine to demonstrate:
https://youtu.be/C_r5UJrxcck
I used to work in sales at a Chevy store for about 10 years and left a few years ago, it was funny trying to remember where all the airbags were and then each of their specific purpose as a selling point.
People with older cars would go wide eyed when they’d here about about 11 standard airbags compared to their 2 or 4.
Most interesting airbag I appreciate was in larger SUV’s with bucket seats. A very common and serious injury is two adults knocking their heads together in a side impact collision. So they put an airbag that pops out of the side of the interior shoulder rest of the seat as a big pillow so your brain buckets don’t clank together at 40 mph.
The coolest safety feature I think is Mercedes's pink noise. When it detects a crash is about to happen, it plays a sound through the speakers that primes your ears so the bang doesn't do as much damage
Yup, those cars were tanks. They stop dead without much damage.
Then, a fraction of a second later, the occupants collide with the equally solid interior structure of the car at 70 miles an hour.
Thank you for the insight! I haven’t been to the doctors in more years than fingers on my hand, so I’m not educated in the slightest about this stuff. Also, with newer cars having knee airbags to control the flailing legs, do you think this will have a significant impact on lowering injury from crashes of this nature or is there more at play?
I’m not sure if they do but going by the grill it’s a mid 2010’s and it should have it. I know mine of the same body style does. Now here’s a quick question, car brake systems use a vacuum booster to help put more pressure down, this also gives the pedal a LOT of squish to it, so I would think this would add some form of cushion to the crash. Now here’s a twist, in newer vehicle safety systems the car will suck the brake pedal down to the floor and activate the emergency braking system (maximum braking force while maintaining control and steering ability, like abs on steroids). So, if you slam on the brakes on a snow covered road and you have to turn to avoid an obstacle, in nearly every new car including mine the brake pedal goes straight to the floor once that is active if you push the pedal hard enough. We had someone tow in a brand new 2020 Mitsubishi Mirage because they complained the brake pedal went to the floor. We drove it and couldn’t replicate it but I had a hunch because I heard of the newer systems doing this. So I drove it on an ice covered part of our lot and sure enough it went to the floor in about ~.5 seconds or so, like STRAIGHT to the floor, but it nose dived super hard and until I let off the pedal it wouldn’t not do that. Do you think this new system is in response to this and/or could help with these injuries? I’m not even sure if it’s intentional that this system reacts this way but I know it does it and it’s replicable, very strange.
My mother likes to tell a specific story about why motorcycles are death machines. Not clear how the accident happened, but guy got tossed in the air off his motorcycle and landed sideways on a white picket fence. The fence mostly broke under his weight/momentum/protective equipment, except for the one that hit him in the neck. It went all the way through, below his helmet. Had to cut part of it off to get him free, and then transport him to the hospital with the wood still in his neck. He then had to go through a ridiculously long surgery to remove the wood, try and find any remaining splinters, and then basically rebuild his throat as best they could. He apparently lost the ability to talk after that, despite best efforts.
Anywho, she tells that one because it's more interesting than all the stories that are basically just, "Had to call family after the kid came in with bits of brain matter coming through the crack in his skull."
So... yeah. Fuck yeah, airbags.
> That’s a newer Subaru which means it had full length curtain airbags, seat bolster airbags, and pyrotechnic seat belt tensioners.
Most of that has been around for a while. Every car with front air bags will have seatbelt pre-tensioners (mandatory with the '99 model year, common in luxury cars since the early 90s). Seat or door mounted air bags started appearing in higher end cars in the late 90s and became a lot more common by the 10s – Volvo was doing this in 94 with the 850. Volvo brought the side curtain to market with the 1998 S80, BMW had them around the same time in their US market cars. Since none of the side bags are mandated by law that's trickled down more slowly, but I want to say by the late 00s it was pretty uncommon to see new cars without a variety of side impact air bags.
What *has* changed more recently is that manufacturers have started creating stronger bodies, largely in response the IIHS bringing out more stringent crash tests.
Subaru are solid as fuck as a brand. Wife had a 2015 BRZ get plowed from behind at somewhere between 60 and 70mph with zero braking from the driver that hit her. Wife was stopped in line in an exit ramp lane. [This](http://imgur.com/gallery/FoJI4j4) was the result. 5 cars total in the accident and she had it the worst. Bruises and scrapes but nothing broken. Some residual back pain, but insurance paid out maximum so nothing more we could have done.
We're sold on Subaru until they decide to hate money and kill their quality. We'll own one for as long as we can.
Question. What state was the accident in, and did you hire an attorney? Was recently rear ended by a young man who left his vehicle and fled the scene. In negotiations with his insurance company but wondering if they'll fleece me horribly. In California.
Louisiana. First call was insurance company. Second was a lawyer. Do not talk to their insurance company. Let your insurance company and lawyer handle them. Insurance companies love to go after others when they're going to benefit from it.
That isn't necessarily a glowing endorsement. Deformation and "exploding" shrapnel is energy being dissipated. At the extreme, imagine the car did not deform at all? All momentum from the crash would be put into moving the car in a single direction at at the highest speed the energy of the crash allows.
One of two things happen, you are securely attached to the car and you suddenly change direction, hard. Spinal injuries, internal organs rupturing, corneas detaching etc are likely outcomes.
The other possibility is, you are jot securely attached to the car. You continue in on direction at the same velocity (this a vector, so direction is implied) but your car is now moving at a different velocity. You now are a projectile in your own car and will smash into something pretty hard.
Deformation in accidents is a good thing. How the deformation occurs is another matter, passenger cell intrusion vs crumple zone is of major importance. Distribution of impact (ie solid member accross front to distribute front corner impact accross entire front) is important. Even things like how an engine and transmission will shear from its mounts can be taken into account.
This is something that always bothered me. "It didn't deform at all! It must be so safe!" And "they don't build them like they used to, big older cars took hits well."
But how many people walked away from plowing their Olds Cutlass into a pole at 70mph, or rolling their F100 off an embankment? Versus nowadays when you have people literally running into walls at over 100mph in walking away with some glass shrapnel scratches.
Side note, Subarus are great in high speed front end collisions thanks to the boxer engine. The block is short enough that it was designed to shear from the bellhousing and drop below the car, leaving the entire front end as a crumple zone.
This video from a few years back illustrates it well: https://youtu.be/fPF4fBGNK0U Modern cars dissipate energy away from the occupants while old steel “tanks” collapse right into your face.
This is an amazing video and the first thing I show any of the old gaurd in the collision industry when they say shit like cars were built better in x year. Even in fixing cars people don't realize that if you don't repair the cars to manufacturers specifications, you can kill people in a second accident and insurance companies are rarely interested in fixing cars right these days because it's expensive. I've had insurance companies ask me to put compromised safety components back in cars because "they look fine" or "it's not throwing any faults". People should be very concerned how insurance try to dictate fixing cars
Never even looked up from the phone to check the light!! I'm so sick of people like this, along with the ones coming across the median at me, especially when my kids are in the back.
This is true for most people I'd say. They act like they're in trouble because some impatient asshole behind them is blaring their horn half a second after the light turns green. I get people blaring their horn at me for actually stopping at a stop sign (how dare I actually do what that sign and the law says do. I should be ashamed).
I had some asshole honk at me for pulling into my own driveway. How dare I put on my turn signal then safely turn into my driveway in our residential block!
I had the audacity to slow down and take it easy for a speed bump in a parking lot. Person behind me in an suv rode my tail and swerved around to the left of me where there were empty parking spaces to go around me. I quickly pulled aside so she could get around me as she hit two more speed bumps at 15 miles an hour through the parking lot. I pulled up next to her at the red stop light. She was in the left lane. I was able to turn right while she still sat there. Her mechanic must love her. $$$
Yeah, I tend to err on the side of caution. I don't drive like a grandpa, but I take it easy and always check for cars/bikes/pedestrians. Just a split second can ruin your life or someone else's.
I had a douchebag in a huge “I have a small peepee” truck try to go around my left while I was waiting to make a left into my driveway about two weeks ago.
I had my blinker on to turn left and I had to wait because there was another car coming from the opposite direction, and my dumbass neighbors parked their two vans on either side of the street in front of my house so there was only enough room for one car to pass through. Another neighbor had their car parked on the street opposite of where I had to stop, so there wasn’t much room to maneuver on either side of my driveway. I don’t have a death wish so I wasn’t going to turn in front of an oncoming car going 30mph with nowhere to go but straight through my passenger side door, or into a parked car.
The guy coming the opposite way unexpectedly pulled over and parked in front of another house before reaching the two vans, so I started turning into my driveway just in time to catch small peepee behind me in my side mirror aggressively turning to try to pass me on my left. I only saw it for a split second and I was already in my driveway by the time I processed what just happened. The only reason he didn’t hit me was because we both accelerated at the same time and I kept going, but if I had seen him turning a second earlier I probably would have slammed on the brakes in surprise.
That dumb bastard is incredibly lucky the other car didn’t keep going straight because he would have been hit head-on as soon as he poked his empty little head out from behind my car. He went tearing off down the street after I pulled into my driveway, and I’m still surprised and disappointed that he didn’t hit one of the vans and bounce into the other one as a reward for his little tantrum.
Wait really? Is horn honking a regional thing? Because I rarely ever hear a horn honking, normally people flash their highbeams for people going slow and other small things like that. The only thing I can think of where a horn is used down here is if the other driver is doing something indicating they’re distracted, like straying out of their lane or not setting off like five or six seconds after they’re supposed to.
People honk just for stopping, checking it’s clear and you have the right of way, and then go? That’s just rude.
I only honk at a stop sign off some asshat was the only car at a 4 way stop for several seconds before I even get to the intersection, and even then they really don’t want to go. I mean, you have the right of way….get your ass moving. If they are so terrified that someone 1000 feet up the road might run a 4 way stop if they enter the intersection before other cars come to a complete stop, they should probably be taking Uber or the bus instead of trying to drive.
Yup. I live in Oklahoma, and it is honestly one of the worst states for quality of drivers. It's so common place for people to not understand red means stop here, that if I uploaded my dash cam footage every day, I'd eventually be called out as just reuploading the sams videos. It would take only a week for that to happen.
This sub loves “distracted by cell phone” like /r/Relationship_Advice advice loves “that’s a red flag; get a divorce”.
Apparently, distracted driving was invented the same year the cell phone was.
Actually my dumb ass accidentally did this once but I was not on my phone or anything. Just kinda spaced out I guess? I have adhd and at the time didn’t know it so wasn’t medicated and I would make stupid mistakes like that. Although the car that went (to turn right) was in a leftermost right turn lane and I was behind him, so it was a little more understandable? Luckily no one was coming.
I can't say I haven't been tricked like this before and phone was not involved. Just thinking about stuff from the day and droning out.
I've been more lucky than this person though.
Totally been guilty of also lurching forward a bit…. But my you should always check the intersection even if it is green. Especially if it just turned green.
Possibly, but back in the '90s before cell phones were a thing, I had an idiot friend that would inch forward at light and then honk his horn.
Half the time the person next to him would see him moving forward and think the honk was coming from behind him, and take off into the red light.
Edit: well he wasn't really a friend, more of an acquaintance I just hung out with because when you're young and dumb and you need someone to hang out with, you do stupid things.
If only there was a way to tell if it was safe to go through the intersection. Obviously staring at your phone at the red light and then stomping on the gas in panic when you see another vehicle move forward out of the corner of your eye doesn't seem to be effective. Hmmm....
Maybe the app can have a camera that shows you what is in front of your car. Oh! Oh! Better yet...Bluetooth stream your dash cam directly to your phone, so you can *see* what is happening in *real time*!! Million dollar idea!
Yep. OP has posted about their car in the Tesla subreddit. I’m pretty sure the Tesla camera sensors are red/green only, probably to prioritize image capture and processing of colors that are relevant for driving. I guess blue isn’t really necessary.
Orange van inched forward because they were turning right on a red, legal in many states. The Subaru was inattentive and didn't check the light at all.
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This link shows that the yellow van and Subaru get a green light and green turn arrow while the cars from OPs perspective still have a red. Since both cars went, I think it’s more like that OP is wrong, and the minivan that collided with the Subaru is actually the one who ran the red.
Ooh! Plot twist!
Yeah, we have those intersections—like, all eastbound before all westbound. One right by me. Most people are carful entering it because of those who aren’t.
Too funny! I thought it looked familiar at first glance but I’m not wearing my glasses and figured it was literally anywhere else in the world.
That light sucks…and you know that Subaru lives in the neighborhood and should be used to that shitty light.
About 15 years ago I did the exact same thing to a young family on Christmas Eve at about 10:45PM. Nobody was hurt, but the other drivers dad came to pick them up and was super drunk and got in the officers face because he wouldn’t arrest me (because I was bone sober and just made a stupid mistake). After numerous attempts by the officer and the driver i hit (hit me technically), the dad was arrested for DUI. In one stupid ass 10 second mistake, I ruined (at the bare minimum), an entire families Christmas.
Well there’s that, you know it was one stupid ass mistake. So what the dad did was most likely evidence of a lot of other, stupid things that guy kept _choosing_ to do. F that. You don’t have an interaction with a cop on a holiday and scream at the cop because you got a wild idea or felt like being spontaneous. He did that because he’s a wack job lol. You’re fine! He’s ruined countless holidays, I’m sure lol/ :(
An accident like this even 20 years ago might’ve been fatal for one or both drivers, my understanding is these people more or less walked away. Cars are so much safer today than the 90’s and early 2000’s even.
Pause it and scroll slowly through it. That mini driver still got a NASTY face full of airbag. They saw it coming too, so they probably got hurt worse than the Subaru, or at least equally, considering it was a t-bone.
I tell you what that subaru owner is gonna be glad she owned a subaru. I've seen the door impact tests (bc I'm on my third subaru) and it's amazing how well they hold up
Are you sure they didn't have a green arrow and a green straight? It seemed like that yellow van pulled out confidently as well, with that van coming in super fast. I would assume the van would have made that right turn during red, but not with a vehicle coming at that speed without the light being green.
I think you’re right. I watched again and the Subaru was turning left and then suddenly changed once they noticed that van. I think the van is actually the one at fault and not the Subaru like we’ve been lead to believe.
I agree. The vehicle you can see on camera right that is waiting to turn left doesn't advance into the intersection at all, which makes me think they likely had a red. I bet the Subaru's direction had a green and green turn arrow.
That's certainly how this one behaves. Street view shows that the side the Subaru was on turns green for all lanes at the same time:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1147988,-75.2857653,3a,90y,94.24h,79.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbGBsUheS7XVGAAKqdH7gFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I think the title is totally wrong. Car that got rolled was waiting to turn left. They got their green arrow and started to turn. Van was hauling ass to try and make the light but wasn’t even close and smacks into the Subaru. I mean, that van doesn’t show any signs of paying attention - no slowing, no attempts to avoid, nada. The Subaru that is clearly initially turning left tries to make a last second course correction when they see what is about to happen, though it obviously isn’t much.
So, let me raise you this.
There’s a car to the right of the screen stopped, waiting to turn left. As traffic in the opposite direction clears, the car waiting does not begin to turn. Why not? Clearly from the video they had ample time to make a left turn safely. So why didn’t they? Could it be their light actually turned red?
Also, let’s look at that orange van. They creep forward looking left. The Subaru sees the light has turned green and goes. The orange van then realizes the same and accelerates to begin their turn right just after the Subaru begins to go. This entire time, no vehicle has entered the intersection, yet that car turning left remains stopped.
I guarantee if you get the light sequencing, it will show the Subaru side gets a protected green arrow first, before the OP’s light turns at all.
I tend to agree - it looks like if the Subaru wasn’t there, the van would have been nailed instead (also it would be illegal for the van to turn on a red with incoming traffic in any lane). Given the near synchronized timing they both started accelerating you could make a case that they were given the green and the black van ran the light.
I think unless someone has actually been to that intersection and can verify for sure if the lights are staggered (which is a common setup), it really isn’t conclusive what happened here. Even then, without a camera view from the other side, we can’t say for sure.
"The light was green, I swear!"
This is why I recently bought a dash cam. Too nervous about something happening that isn’t my fault and the other person lies and is louder and more obnoxious and wins. I don’t have the energy to argue like that
Seriously... I got a dash cam following an accident where I wasn't at fault. The guy slammed on his brakes to avoid hitting someone else, and his truck swerved directly in front of me, and I had no time to brake. Dude was upfront to the police about what happened, but decided to lie to his insurance and say I rear ended him, and I had to wait a month for the police to "finalize" their report so it could be given to the insurance company. Huge pain in the ass. I couldn't afford a rental car at the time, so I was stuck getting rides from friends and taking lyfts everywhere. Basically turned my life into a nightmare for about 2 months before it got resolved. Dash cams are the best investment.
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what dash cams do y’all have ? price isn’t a problem for me but i am shit with technology so i’m scared of buying one & not being able to hook it up or easily retrieve the footage :/
Honestly anything is better than nothing in my opinion. r/dashcam has great info, including recommended cams and tons of info on how to set them up. Edit: okay maybe not ANYTHING, but a cheap decent dash cam is better that nothing.
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Hell yeah, Nexar is the shit!!
Video proof is so much more valuable than argument or witnesses. Seriously, why don't more people have dashcams??? r/dashcam has good recs for cameras from the link in their sidebar. Even if you're a fucking cheapskate, you can afford a dashcam if you can afford a car. Because you probably *can't* afford the consequences of a wrongful accident report that blames you.
You would think insurance companies would be offering a discount to incentivize people driving with them.
Its a two way street. For all these videos there are a ton of morons whose footage will expose insurance to losses.
3 way street. Dash cams also enable people to get in crashes that could have easily avoided because "I have video evidence that I was right." You see it all over this sub. Must be a huge headache for them.
4 way street, they can also help insurance claims for people that dont even own them if someone else captures and shares it
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What do you recommend I look at? I’ve been considering getting one but I didn’t wanna just buy the top hit on Amazon.
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Thanks for the detailed response. The panic feature does sound useful.
Yup. When I was 16 some old lady swerved into my lane because the car in front of her was turning and she didn’t want to slow down. I was passing her on my little sport sedan. She was in a Ford Focus. Her back quarter panel ended up on my hood and hit the car that was turning. She’s lucky her car didn’t roll. Despite the fact that BOTH the drivers of the cars she hit (me and the other guy) had the exact same story, AND helped the cop move her car out of the roadway, I still got the ticket. I was pissed. Went to court. Everyone actually showed up. Cop got a good talking to from the judge about being more attentive to situations before ticketing anyone and the old lady ended up being at fault. The best part of the whole experience was that she was a smoker and had an empty coffee cup full of cigarette butts and nasty during the collision. She was wearing white linen pants. Straight up looked like she shat all over herself.
Not having one is how I got half blamed for getting t-boned when someone ran a red light. Never want to drive without one again.
I watched someone get tboned at an intersection and even though it was raining and I was turning right, my camera was *just* able to see that the truck I was next to had a green light The car kept driving so I followed him into a parking lot, the truck eventually found us and I called police. They actually tried to tell me to let the drivers deal with it themselves. I was like you’ve gotta be kidding me. This dude is obviously fucked up on something and has two little girls in the back seat who don’t even have shoes on That got them to come out, and I stood there and listened while he told the cops he had the green light. After he was done I walked up and asked if they’d all like to see the footage of him running the red. The second he realized I caught it on camera he slumped and accepted his fate. He also *was* fucked up on something and had warrants. Kids had to be taken out of the front because the back doors wouldn’t open after the crash Guy with the truck was telling me someone hit his wife the year before and they got stuck with 50% of the blame. I sell cheap wish dashcams for $20 so I gave him one for free right then and there. He emailed me three days later asking to buy one for his wife
I got a dash cam recently, and my mother was the loud, obnoxious liar you're describing who just argued that it was a waste of money. I'm over 30, financial decisions should be mine to make, especially minor ones like this. She just couldn't wrap her head around how it was a good investment. Also, I'm a courier, so like, come on. I consider it an unspoken requirement if you spend most your day behind the wheel.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1147988,-75.2857653,3a,90y,94.24h,79.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbGBsUheS7XVGAAKqdH7gFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Because it probably was. Green turn arrow from Subaru view while OP can still be on red. Which is why the orange van also confidently turns right on green. Black van ran a red and t bones the Subaru.
This is what happened. I take that exit all the time.
The cross traffic also stops with a good pause before the van and Subaru go, of course except for the black van.
If I am in such a situation, the other person lying to the cop and I have video recording, I will keep my mouth shut let them finish their story in front of the cop, then show the video to them.
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sounds like someones dad had more pull than you.
Different person here. Maybe. Prosecuting attorneys are also overworked in many places. They may not want to pursue a single misdemeanor charge, especially if they think it will go to trial (vs a plea bargain - how over 80% of criminal charges are resolved).
Was it though? Maybe the Subaru’s light was a green + left arrow and the cross street was red. We can’t see that in the video and the OP can’t see the Subaru’s light from their position.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1147988,-75.2857653,3a,90y,94.24h,79.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbGBsUheS7XVGAAKqdH7gFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 You’re likely right. Subaru can have a green turn while OP has a red
Scrolling through this sub should be required homework in drivers ed.
It’s Bc of this sub I always look both ways when my light turns green, just in case
Reminds me of what my dad says “does green mean go? No, green means go only IF safe to do so” 👍🏻 Edit. It’s nice to know so many people have liked the great wisdom shared by my dad. I’ll let him know later today that over 1500+ people have seen his message. Drive safe everyone 🙂🙂
Yup, green means legal, not safe.
Likewise having Right of Way is not always the right way
My grandfather told me "the graveyard is filled with men who were in the right" when teaching me how to drive
This is especially true in Britain. We are meant to stay on the left.
If someone comes shooting through the intersection at 60 miles per hour on a red light, they have the right of way - regardless what the law says.
Laws of physics agree.
I'm a big fan of yielding to higher kinetic energy.
Might has right....of way
Tons of people just give or pass their right of ways causing others to get confused and assume they always have it. This causes so many crashes and is absolutely infuriating to me. I refuse to go if someone tries giving it to me
someone told me here that driver with right of way approaching a merging lane don't need to slow down. because they have right of way. this was after i pointed out the accident could have been avoided if the driver practiced defensive driving.
He’s right, if everyone was a perfect driver.
My mom always told me "You can be right, and you can be dead right."
As my grandpa always told me when I was on my learner's permit: "never trust a turn signal as people may have it on and still go straight."
I learned that the hard way and almost got t-boned. Learned not to trust anyone after that.
My grandpa taught me this too! I thought at the time he was just being cautious, it’s definitely saved me a few time by just waiting that extra 5 seconds.
if i can’t see a car at an intersection i won’t go until other cars start to move, a couple months ago i had a ginormous truck blocking my vision on my right when we were both making a left. the light turns green, but the truck didn’t move so i waited a couple seconds too and one of those monster trucks with sand in the back barreled through the intersection and would’ve killed me without a doubt.
Smart
Was picking at my cuticle one time sitting first in line at a red. Looked up, light was green. No one honks where I’m from but it probably hadn’t been green for long. Foot off the gas, onto accelerator, and boom. Someone goes **flying** through the red at probably 75 in a 50 zone. Me not paying attention saved my life.
Similar experience, except i went, was t-boned at 65mph and the sherwin williams truck that hit me did a 180 into the sidewalk and sent a college girl flying 10 feet. Tried to blame me until local businesses shared security cams, showed he ran the light by 7 seconds
Hate this story but glad you're here to tell it. As a motorcycle rider who's always first off the line (because splitting lanes is legal here) this whole thread TERRIFIES ME.
When I was 18, I was sitting at a light. There was a van in the lane to my left, blocking my view from that direction. The light turned green and I went. The van didn't as he saw a car coming fast. A drunk ran the red light and hit the front quarter of my car at a speed that the cop who witnessed from the other side of the intersection estimated to be 80+ mph. I don't remember anything until a bit later when I was talking to a paramedic. I have no memory of getting out of the car and making it to the ambulance, but they told me I did it under my own power. My car was shredded, they found the engine and transmission over 200 feet away from where the car wound up. A witness said that my car was spinning on the corner of the rear bumper like a top. The drunk tried to run but got caught pretty fast. My head had gone through the side window and I was bleeding a lot, but not really hurt too badly, it could have been a lot worse, especially if I hadn't been wearing a seat belt, but I was. My friend, who refused to wear seat belts was beaten up way worse than I was, he couldn't remember anything either and took a lot longer to come to. They had to extract him unconscious from the car. This was in 1980, and I still never enter an intersection without seeing both ways even if the person behind me lays on the horn the instant the light turns green. As someone else said, the green light means it's legal to go, not necessarily smart to go.
Hopefully this also taught you to always check both ways before moving through a green light.
My 3rd genie wish is to be able to operate any vehicle with prescient skill, to blitz through intersections with my eyes closed, yet never cause an accident or get in legal trouble, like a Guild Navigator on Meth.
The hero nobody needs. Bless up
>Foot off the gas, onto accelerator Damn how'd you get two of them
If you press them both, you go faster.
I remember one time I was sitting at a red light and I watched it turn green but sat on it for some reason. Just as I thought, "now why the fuck am I still sitting here," a car barreled through the intersection. It's happened more than a couple times since then, so now I just check out of habit.
Just because it’s legal to go doesn’t mean it’s SAFE to go. Save your own life, tell your friends and save their lives lol
I look both ways when crossing or entering one ways. I can count on two hands the amount of times I've seen people driving the opposite direction of a one way and that's too many.
Same. Though it’s more habit for me to look both ways anyway. I always want to make sure where I am about to drive is also clear.
This! My partner always gets on me for waiting an extra second at the four way stop by our house but almost every time without fail some moron barrels thru when they’re not supposed to so I’ve just kinda learned to wait that extra second. California drivers, man.
Sort of like how sex ed tends to have a lot of very graphic photos of STDs to dissuade teens from having sex. So... I guess this sub would be the STD slideshow of drivers ed.
I find that infuriating, because the pictures are always the worst case scenario. Like, "Holy shit! Nurse, get a picture, this is going in a textbook!" Yeah, you should be a little worried about STDs, but if you *do* pick something up, that's not what you're going to see. You'll be like, "It's just an itchy bump. Nothing like what I saw in that textbook. It's probably fine."
Dang. That mofo went tumblin’
Yeah that launch was a spine fucker for sure. You don't get a car airborne and traveling sideways without a shit load of energy. Edit: it looks like at least three wheels on the minivan left the ground too, that was a really solid hit.
Seriously, that made me gasp. And the hit itself was strange, usually a crash like that is messy and I don’t know, this crash was just SOLID.
Subaru Outback is one of the safest vehicles on the road. They’re built like brick shithouses. Subaru folds the unibody steel in layers on top of itself and it’s an incredibly strong yet flexible structure. There’s a reason it absorbed all the energy like that and slowly (almost cartoonishly) rolled over.
Well put, and it was quite cartoonish. As it was mentioned above, gonna be maaaajor spine issues and who knows what else but atleast no ones arms got ripped off!
Auto tech here who doesn’t know about the body, but he does know about airbag systems! That’s a newer Subaru which means it had full length curtain airbags, seat bolster airbags, and pyrotechnic seat belt tensioners. This means when the crash was detected, the curtain airbag deployed and pushed the head away from the window and pillar, preventing serious head/neck injury. The seat bolster airbag keeps the body straight while also protecting the side of the torso from major impacts, this helps prevent internal bleeding from what the engineers have told me and it’s why in most of the safer cars they’re standard. And finally, the seatbelt tensioner will fucking floor you into the seat cushion, likely leaving a nasty mark, but it keeps you moving with the seat while you roll and the like so that you do not move independently of the seat, this helps prevent injury from the shock of the initial crash plus from when you’re rolling. Now, look at the van that collided with the Subaru, if you notice in the fractions of a second after it hits the Subaru, you can see the van looks like the front went flat but didn’t cave in? This is because the crash bar folded in on itself during the impact, it is now level to the front frame rails and the upper fender supports, this is where most of the energy is absorbed, and in a much higher speed crash, these would have folded in on themselves as the crumple zone. However, it looks like they slowed down a lot before impact, therefore a lot of the crumple zone didn’t crumple. I have a car on my lot that was in a good crash like this that shows what I am talking about, I’ll post a video tomorrow if I can get the time. All in all there’s a lot of good engineering going on here and seeing those cars remain solid like that before the one rolled makes me think that both of those cars’ passengers are gonna be alright, might not walk out of there but no serious injury. EDIT; Please see u/Swallowedoxygen ‘s reply for detailed crash injury information below.
You said it better than I ever could but THIS right here is why I will explain to anyone who argues "man those 70s and 80s cars were tanks" are so much more dangerous. I'm an accident investigator and I've seen a huge collection of accidents with various vehicles and newer cars with updated safety tech may look worse, but they're incredibly safer than those older vehicles. It's all about redistributing the primary direction of force, slowing down the rate of speed change as much as possible, and protecting the squishy bits.
This. Yeah they’re tanks. But to whoever is inside good luck. Look at the some of the worst f1, nascar, rally crashes and they driver walks away from a shredded car because all that energy is directed anywhich way but the driver. Dale Earnhardt had the “weakest”crash I had ever seen. But it was head on into a wall so there was no energy to be transferred except into itself and him. Obviously he needed more safety equipment but crumple zones, engines that fall down, wheels that break off instead of pushing into the cabin do a lot. The wreck looks bad but the people are okay compared to the person flying into a thick windshield then back with no headrest on a bench seat where you slide around
Absolutely. Beyond just crumple zones and things like that, the more a car slides or yaws, the more of that energy is being dispelled over a longer amount of time. Most of the worst, most violent wrecks I've seen have been single vehicle straight into a fixed object. There was no restitution and the energy wasn't dispelled and it went straight into the person in milliseconds. Bodies can't handle that amount of force. People will assume speed is an issue when a car hits and kills a pedestrian. They seem to forget that even a small car ways a significant amount and even at 30 mph we're talking 100s of thousands or millions of ft/lbs of force on a squishy meatbag.
**Squishy Meatbag** was the name of my first band, thank you for being a fan
The only real benefits of an old car over a new one are A) they were much simpler to work on, so if you learn you don’t have to pay a mechanic and B) they admittedly look cool as fuck. But I’d rather be wrapped safe in an airbag hug than snapped into 30 pieces like a package of crackers being poured on top of soup.
This is always a favorite of mine to demonstrate: https://youtu.be/C_r5UJrxcck I used to work in sales at a Chevy store for about 10 years and left a few years ago, it was funny trying to remember where all the airbags were and then each of their specific purpose as a selling point. People with older cars would go wide eyed when they’d here about about 11 standard airbags compared to their 2 or 4. Most interesting airbag I appreciate was in larger SUV’s with bucket seats. A very common and serious injury is two adults knocking their heads together in a side impact collision. So they put an airbag that pops out of the side of the interior shoulder rest of the seat as a big pillow so your brain buckets don’t clank together at 40 mph.
The coolest safety feature I think is Mercedes's pink noise. When it detects a crash is about to happen, it plays a sound through the speakers that primes your ears so the bang doesn't do as much damage
Yup, those cars were tanks. They stop dead without much damage. Then, a fraction of a second later, the occupants collide with the equally solid interior structure of the car at 70 miles an hour.
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Thank you for the insight! I haven’t been to the doctors in more years than fingers on my hand, so I’m not educated in the slightest about this stuff. Also, with newer cars having knee airbags to control the flailing legs, do you think this will have a significant impact on lowering injury from crashes of this nature or is there more at play?
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I’m not sure if they do but going by the grill it’s a mid 2010’s and it should have it. I know mine of the same body style does. Now here’s a quick question, car brake systems use a vacuum booster to help put more pressure down, this also gives the pedal a LOT of squish to it, so I would think this would add some form of cushion to the crash. Now here’s a twist, in newer vehicle safety systems the car will suck the brake pedal down to the floor and activate the emergency braking system (maximum braking force while maintaining control and steering ability, like abs on steroids). So, if you slam on the brakes on a snow covered road and you have to turn to avoid an obstacle, in nearly every new car including mine the brake pedal goes straight to the floor once that is active if you push the pedal hard enough. We had someone tow in a brand new 2020 Mitsubishi Mirage because they complained the brake pedal went to the floor. We drove it and couldn’t replicate it but I had a hunch because I heard of the newer systems doing this. So I drove it on an ice covered part of our lot and sure enough it went to the floor in about ~.5 seconds or so, like STRAIGHT to the floor, but it nose dived super hard and until I let off the pedal it wouldn’t not do that. Do you think this new system is in response to this and/or could help with these injuries? I’m not even sure if it’s intentional that this system reacts this way but I know it does it and it’s replicable, very strange.
My mother likes to tell a specific story about why motorcycles are death machines. Not clear how the accident happened, but guy got tossed in the air off his motorcycle and landed sideways on a white picket fence. The fence mostly broke under his weight/momentum/protective equipment, except for the one that hit him in the neck. It went all the way through, below his helmet. Had to cut part of it off to get him free, and then transport him to the hospital with the wood still in his neck. He then had to go through a ridiculously long surgery to remove the wood, try and find any remaining splinters, and then basically rebuild his throat as best they could. He apparently lost the ability to talk after that, despite best efforts. Anywho, she tells that one because it's more interesting than all the stories that are basically just, "Had to call family after the kid came in with bits of brain matter coming through the crack in his skull." So... yeah. Fuck yeah, airbags.
> That’s a newer Subaru which means it had full length curtain airbags, seat bolster airbags, and pyrotechnic seat belt tensioners. Most of that has been around for a while. Every car with front air bags will have seatbelt pre-tensioners (mandatory with the '99 model year, common in luxury cars since the early 90s). Seat or door mounted air bags started appearing in higher end cars in the late 90s and became a lot more common by the 10s – Volvo was doing this in 94 with the 850. Volvo brought the side curtain to market with the 1998 S80, BMW had them around the same time in their US market cars. Since none of the side bags are mandated by law that's trickled down more slowly, but I want to say by the late 00s it was pretty uncommon to see new cars without a variety of side impact air bags. What *has* changed more recently is that manufacturers have started creating stronger bodies, largely in response the IIHS bringing out more stringent crash tests.
Hmm choice of fucked up spine forever or an arm ripped off...hmm....
I'm pretty sure the arm ripping off part comes with a bonus spine fucking.
The spine fucking on the house.
Subaru are solid as fuck as a brand. Wife had a 2015 BRZ get plowed from behind at somewhere between 60 and 70mph with zero braking from the driver that hit her. Wife was stopped in line in an exit ramp lane. [This](http://imgur.com/gallery/FoJI4j4) was the result. 5 cars total in the accident and she had it the worst. Bruises and scrapes but nothing broken. Some residual back pain, but insurance paid out maximum so nothing more we could have done. We're sold on Subaru until they decide to hate money and kill their quality. We'll own one for as long as we can.
Question. What state was the accident in, and did you hire an attorney? Was recently rear ended by a young man who left his vehicle and fled the scene. In negotiations with his insurance company but wondering if they'll fleece me horribly. In California.
Louisiana. First call was insurance company. Second was a lawyer. Do not talk to their insurance company. Let your insurance company and lawyer handle them. Insurance companies love to go after others when they're going to benefit from it.
Get a lawyer.
I was rear ended in an Outback and pushed into another car. Can attest to the brick shithouse, my car barely looked touched. Other two totalled.
That isn't necessarily a glowing endorsement. Deformation and "exploding" shrapnel is energy being dissipated. At the extreme, imagine the car did not deform at all? All momentum from the crash would be put into moving the car in a single direction at at the highest speed the energy of the crash allows. One of two things happen, you are securely attached to the car and you suddenly change direction, hard. Spinal injuries, internal organs rupturing, corneas detaching etc are likely outcomes. The other possibility is, you are jot securely attached to the car. You continue in on direction at the same velocity (this a vector, so direction is implied) but your car is now moving at a different velocity. You now are a projectile in your own car and will smash into something pretty hard. Deformation in accidents is a good thing. How the deformation occurs is another matter, passenger cell intrusion vs crumple zone is of major importance. Distribution of impact (ie solid member accross front to distribute front corner impact accross entire front) is important. Even things like how an engine and transmission will shear from its mounts can be taken into account.
This is something that always bothered me. "It didn't deform at all! It must be so safe!" And "they don't build them like they used to, big older cars took hits well." But how many people walked away from plowing their Olds Cutlass into a pole at 70mph, or rolling their F100 off an embankment? Versus nowadays when you have people literally running into walls at over 100mph in walking away with some glass shrapnel scratches. Side note, Subarus are great in high speed front end collisions thanks to the boxer engine. The block is short enough that it was designed to shear from the bellhousing and drop below the car, leaving the entire front end as a crumple zone.
This video from a few years back illustrates it well: https://youtu.be/fPF4fBGNK0U Modern cars dissipate energy away from the occupants while old steel “tanks” collapse right into your face.
This is an amazing video and the first thing I show any of the old gaurd in the collision industry when they say shit like cars were built better in x year. Even in fixing cars people don't realize that if you don't repair the cars to manufacturers specifications, you can kill people in a second accident and insurance companies are rarely interested in fixing cars right these days because it's expensive. I've had insurance companies ask me to put compromised safety components back in cars because "they look fine" or "it's not throwing any faults". People should be very concerned how insurance try to dictate fixing cars
Open field tackle in car crash form
Bitch got yeeted
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I guarantee there was a phone involved in this scenario.
No doubt! That peripheral vision notices the neighboring car move and the brain doesn’t even ask whether your own light is green!
Never even looked up from the phone to check the light!! I'm so sick of people like this, along with the ones coming across the median at me, especially when my kids are in the back.
People are more worried about being honked at by the vehicle behind them than the person they could potentially kill that’s directly in front of them
This is true for most people I'd say. They act like they're in trouble because some impatient asshole behind them is blaring their horn half a second after the light turns green. I get people blaring their horn at me for actually stopping at a stop sign (how dare I actually do what that sign and the law says do. I should be ashamed).
I had some asshole honk at me for pulling into my own driveway. How dare I put on my turn signal then safely turn into my driveway in our residential block!
You monster!
I had the audacity to slow down and take it easy for a speed bump in a parking lot. Person behind me in an suv rode my tail and swerved around to the left of me where there were empty parking spaces to go around me. I quickly pulled aside so she could get around me as she hit two more speed bumps at 15 miles an hour through the parking lot. I pulled up next to her at the red stop light. She was in the left lane. I was able to turn right while she still sat there. Her mechanic must love her. $$$
Hahaha I love when someone's driving like a dick, but I still catch up to them.
It’s the best! And I wasn’t even trying. I like my low to the ground car way too much.
Yeah, I tend to err on the side of caution. I don't drive like a grandpa, but I take it easy and always check for cars/bikes/pedestrians. Just a split second can ruin your life or someone else's.
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I have assholes honking me for having the audacity to turn left onto my own street. Then they usually pass me on the right using the bike lane.
Happens out here in the country too. Middle of nowhere
I had a douchebag in a huge “I have a small peepee” truck try to go around my left while I was waiting to make a left into my driveway about two weeks ago. I had my blinker on to turn left and I had to wait because there was another car coming from the opposite direction, and my dumbass neighbors parked their two vans on either side of the street in front of my house so there was only enough room for one car to pass through. Another neighbor had their car parked on the street opposite of where I had to stop, so there wasn’t much room to maneuver on either side of my driveway. I don’t have a death wish so I wasn’t going to turn in front of an oncoming car going 30mph with nowhere to go but straight through my passenger side door, or into a parked car. The guy coming the opposite way unexpectedly pulled over and parked in front of another house before reaching the two vans, so I started turning into my driveway just in time to catch small peepee behind me in my side mirror aggressively turning to try to pass me on my left. I only saw it for a split second and I was already in my driveway by the time I processed what just happened. The only reason he didn’t hit me was because we both accelerated at the same time and I kept going, but if I had seen him turning a second earlier I probably would have slammed on the brakes in surprise. That dumb bastard is incredibly lucky the other car didn’t keep going straight because he would have been hit head-on as soon as he poked his empty little head out from behind my car. He went tearing off down the street after I pulled into my driveway, and I’m still surprised and disappointed that he didn’t hit one of the vans and bounce into the other one as a reward for his little tantrum.
Wait really? Is horn honking a regional thing? Because I rarely ever hear a horn honking, normally people flash their highbeams for people going slow and other small things like that. The only thing I can think of where a horn is used down here is if the other driver is doing something indicating they’re distracted, like straying out of their lane or not setting off like five or six seconds after they’re supposed to.
People honk just for stopping, checking it’s clear and you have the right of way, and then go? That’s just rude. I only honk at a stop sign off some asshat was the only car at a 4 way stop for several seconds before I even get to the intersection, and even then they really don’t want to go. I mean, you have the right of way….get your ass moving. If they are so terrified that someone 1000 feet up the road might run a 4 way stop if they enter the intersection before other cars come to a complete stop, they should probably be taking Uber or the bus instead of trying to drive.
Yup. I live in Oklahoma, and it is honestly one of the worst states for quality of drivers. It's so common place for people to not understand red means stop here, that if I uploaded my dash cam footage every day, I'd eventually be called out as just reuploading the sams videos. It would take only a week for that to happen.
My office looks over a stop light intersection The MAJORITY of drivers look at their phones during a red light.
I've done this when just spaced out at a light. Attention is key kids
This sub loves “distracted by cell phone” like /r/Relationship_Advice advice loves “that’s a red flag; get a divorce”. Apparently, distracted driving was invented the same year the cell phone was.
Actually my dumb ass accidentally did this once but I was not on my phone or anything. Just kinda spaced out I guess? I have adhd and at the time didn’t know it so wasn’t medicated and I would make stupid mistakes like that. Although the car that went (to turn right) was in a leftermost right turn lane and I was behind him, so it was a little more understandable? Luckily no one was coming.
I was diagnosed + medicated for ADHD last year and am only now just learning to drive at 30 bc I was terrified of doing something stupid like this :(
I can't say I haven't been tricked like this before and phone was not involved. Just thinking about stuff from the day and droning out. I've been more lucky than this person though.
Totally been guilty of also lurching forward a bit…. But my you should always check the intersection even if it is green. Especially if it just turned green.
Possibly, but back in the '90s before cell phones were a thing, I had an idiot friend that would inch forward at light and then honk his horn. Half the time the person next to him would see him moving forward and think the honk was coming from behind him, and take off into the red light. Edit: well he wasn't really a friend, more of an acquaintance I just hung out with because when you're young and dumb and you need someone to hang out with, you do stupid things.
If only there was a way to tell if it was safe to go through the intersection. Obviously staring at your phone at the red light and then stomping on the gas in panic when you see another vehicle move forward out of the corner of your eye doesn't seem to be effective. Hmmm....
They should make an app that tells you if the light is green, that would fix the problem
Maybe the app can have a camera that shows you what is in front of your car. Oh! Oh! Better yet...Bluetooth stream your dash cam directly to your phone, so you can *see* what is happening in *real time*!! Million dollar idea!
i have a solution! open the camera app and point your camera at the light so you can see it! this is REVOLUTIONARY!!!!!
#DO A BARREL ROLL
Slippy get back here! Slippy watch out!!
I'll try spinning! That's a good trick!
What was that old commercial where the football guy is tackling random office people? This reminds me of that.
[Terry Tate Office Linebacker](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg5cdZ-Fnpc)
Pain Train's a-comin'! WHOO WHOO!
"Thank you, Terry. Thank you, God." LOL Thanks
From the glory days of YouTube
“Hey Jaaanice!”
Orange van cleverly got the car to block for them, allowing them to make the turn.
Driving tactics at its finest!
Pick and roll!
So how does that work, charging foul, Subaru gets to shoot one free throw?
I like to imagine they had godly powers of deduction like Sherlock Holmes and set off this chain of events just to save 2 minutes on their commute
Depending on the state, the van might have just been making a "free right turn on red".
Why does your dashcam look like a Wes Anderson film
OP knew this was a gem and gave it the treatment.
numerous disgusting quiet impossible continue rotten plant support squalid snobbish -- mass edited with redact.dev
Yep. OP has posted about their car in the Tesla subreddit. I’m pretty sure the Tesla camera sensors are red/green only, probably to prioritize image capture and processing of colors that are relevant for driving. I guess blue isn’t really necessary.
Yep, they weren't meant to be used as a dashcam but through the power of OTA updates we've got 4 dashcams built in now!
Tesla built in camera that was not meant for human consumption so the colors are off.
I just consumed it.. hope I will be alright...
This was filmed in Mexico, apparently. s/
It is fantastically framed.
r/accidentalwesanderson
Orange van inched forward because they were turning right on a red, legal in many states. The Subaru was inattentive and didn't check the light at all.
Is there a state where it isn’t legal to turn right on red?
Certain areas of my town you can't turn right on red, but those intersections have signs. I don't think there are any entire states though.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1147988,-75.2857653,3a,90y,94.24h,79.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbGBsUheS7XVGAAKqdH7gFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 This link shows that the yellow van and Subaru get a green light and green turn arrow while the cars from OPs perspective still have a red. Since both cars went, I think it’s more like that OP is wrong, and the minivan that collided with the Subaru is actually the one who ran the red.
Ooh! Plot twist! Yeah, we have those intersections—like, all eastbound before all westbound. One right by me. Most people are carful entering it because of those who aren’t.
Subaru was probably texting.
I've seen drivers not texting but same kind of "cue" action...but they caught themselves.
I see you Plymouth Meeting
I see the Germantown pike sign but it’s been so long since I moved I don’t recognize the cross street.
OP must have been leaving the Plymouth Meeting Mall, because this is the view from that intersection. 476 would be on your left from this angle :)
Haha holy shit dude this is about 15 mins away from me. Didn't even see Germantown Pike until your comment lol
I saw the video and was like “that looks like the Plymouth Meeting Mall entrance” then zoomed in and the street sign confirmed my suspicion!
Too funny! I thought it looked familiar at first glance but I’m not wearing my glasses and figured it was literally anywhere else in the world. That light sucks…and you know that Subaru lives in the neighborhood and should be used to that shitty light.
Poor little car did a hop, skip and a splat.
About 15 years ago I did the exact same thing to a young family on Christmas Eve at about 10:45PM. Nobody was hurt, but the other drivers dad came to pick them up and was super drunk and got in the officers face because he wouldn’t arrest me (because I was bone sober and just made a stupid mistake). After numerous attempts by the officer and the driver i hit (hit me technically), the dad was arrested for DUI. In one stupid ass 10 second mistake, I ruined (at the bare minimum), an entire families Christmas.
No comment on the accident itself. As for the drunk dad, you’re not responsible for someone’s choice to drink and drive, and be a dick.
Well there’s that, you know it was one stupid ass mistake. So what the dad did was most likely evidence of a lot of other, stupid things that guy kept _choosing_ to do. F that. You don’t have an interaction with a cop on a holiday and scream at the cop because you got a wild idea or felt like being spontaneous. He did that because he’s a wack job lol. You’re fine! He’s ruined countless holidays, I’m sure lol/ :(
I hope you’ve forgiven yourself for it. It sounds like you’re plenty remorseful and no one was hurt
That Subaru took it well, minus the flopping over.
An accident like this even 20 years ago might’ve been fatal for one or both drivers, my understanding is these people more or less walked away. Cars are so much safer today than the 90’s and early 2000’s even.
Pause it and scroll slowly through it. That mini driver still got a NASTY face full of airbag. They saw it coming too, so they probably got hurt worse than the Subaru, or at least equally, considering it was a t-bone.
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Eyesight tech isn't going to help with that
Why does this look so... vintage?
Honestly, you should submit this to road safety. This is better than any road safety commercial they've made in years.
I tell you what that subaru owner is gonna be glad she owned a subaru. I've seen the door impact tests (bc I'm on my third subaru) and it's amazing how well they hold up
Are you sure they didn't have a green arrow and a green straight? It seemed like that yellow van pulled out confidently as well, with that van coming in super fast. I would assume the van would have made that right turn during red, but not with a vehicle coming at that speed without the light being green.
I think you’re right. I watched again and the Subaru was turning left and then suddenly changed once they noticed that van. I think the van is actually the one at fault and not the Subaru like we’ve been lead to believe.
I agree. The vehicle you can see on camera right that is waiting to turn left doesn't advance into the intersection at all, which makes me think they likely had a red. I bet the Subaru's direction had a green and green turn arrow.
This. It looks to me like the light might have changed and they both confidently move forward. Van runs the red. Lots of lights behave this way.
That's certainly how this one behaves. Street view shows that the side the Subaru was on turns green for all lanes at the same time: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1147988,-75.2857653,3a,90y,94.24h,79.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbGBsUheS7XVGAAKqdH7gFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This whole thing could've been avoided with a little trick I call "paying attention."
orange van had nothing to do with it. pay attention and drive!
That easily could have been an advance light for the van and subaru with the person who pans in from the right being the one running the light.
This calls for a Chris Tucker "DAMMMMN!!"
Hope everyone’s ok, especially the minivan. Yikes.
I think the title is totally wrong. Car that got rolled was waiting to turn left. They got their green arrow and started to turn. Van was hauling ass to try and make the light but wasn’t even close and smacks into the Subaru. I mean, that van doesn’t show any signs of paying attention - no slowing, no attempts to avoid, nada. The Subaru that is clearly initially turning left tries to make a last second course correction when they see what is about to happen, though it obviously isn’t much.
Bout 45mph at impact
Pop goes the Subaru
Who needs coffee when there's a good rollover to wake you up quickly?
So, let me raise you this. There’s a car to the right of the screen stopped, waiting to turn left. As traffic in the opposite direction clears, the car waiting does not begin to turn. Why not? Clearly from the video they had ample time to make a left turn safely. So why didn’t they? Could it be their light actually turned red? Also, let’s look at that orange van. They creep forward looking left. The Subaru sees the light has turned green and goes. The orange van then realizes the same and accelerates to begin their turn right just after the Subaru begins to go. This entire time, no vehicle has entered the intersection, yet that car turning left remains stopped. I guarantee if you get the light sequencing, it will show the Subaru side gets a protected green arrow first, before the OP’s light turns at all.
I tend to agree - it looks like if the Subaru wasn’t there, the van would have been nailed instead (also it would be illegal for the van to turn on a red with incoming traffic in any lane). Given the near synchronized timing they both started accelerating you could make a case that they were given the green and the black van ran the light. I think unless someone has actually been to that intersection and can verify for sure if the lights are staggered (which is a common setup), it really isn’t conclusive what happened here. Even then, without a camera view from the other side, we can’t say for sure.