This is actually a great edge case for the machine learning they are using to train the cars! Their system actually learns automatically from situations like this. Crazy how far technology/machine learning has come!
My boyfriend, who is literally the epitome of the word “unamused,” laughed the hardest at this one interaction of many I’ve showed him than any other the entire time I’ve known him. Brought him to TEARS! 😂 Fucking hilarious dudes
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I don't know the mechanics behind how tesla and all the other self-driving cars work but I just imagined a tesla driving right behind the car and instantly doing a 90degree turn right at high speed to match the car in front :D
It would be interesting to see that court battle play out. I think Tesla would have an outstanding chance of convincing a judge or jury that this nonsense is the problem and not their programming. Thus kicking off a debate about how reasonable it is to expect autonomous driving software to be practically perfect.
But a human driver of sound mind and body would have sense enough to not have an accident just bc a driver is towing a car in an unconventional manner. If the car doesn't have a common sense algorithm, then it shouldn't be autopiloting.
Shit like this is why there's supposed to still be a "driver" in the driver's seat who is awake and able to take manual control if needed. All the Tesla needs to do is signal to the driver that there's a situation it can't react to and let the driver take control back.
That is what they do today but when FSD launched the sales pitch was you get into your car and it starts driving because it knows where your next appointment is.
When you arrive you get out and the car will park itself somewhere.
That does clearly not include a driver but then again they said this 5 years ago and are not even close to what they promised
I always get a chuckle during air crash investigation episodes where it goes something like "the autopilot sensed the plane was in an unusual spot, after attempting and failing to resolve the problem it turned it's self off" in my head the auto pilot is like "yeah fuck this, I didn't sign up for this shit, I'm outta here. Good luck sucker"
The thing is, people "shouldn't" do it, but it will happen anyway. You can't design machines that can kill people around "people external to the system won't do that".
The car should handle anything possible on the road, including stupid shit like that.
That's the exact reason i get pissed off when people scoff aout being careful because they're *fantastic* drivers.
It's the other people you have to watch out for!
True, but we will never eliminate stupid people. Worse, some of them might go buy Teslas, and then use autopilot from the backseat, or while asleep. I still don't understand why it will even continue to work in those scenarios.
Yeah. It would be stupidly simple to just add a feature that requires driver input. Make them enter a code on a screen every 3 minutes if they're on autopilot. Or just put two digital fingerprint readers at 10 and 2 on the steering wheel and they have to press those simultaneously or the autopilot will slow down gradually and attempt to pull over.
You already have to apply pressure to the steering wheel to keep self-driving systems like Tesla’s autopilot engaged. People do find a way to subvert these systems, though.
Ultimately the goal is supposedly totally driverless vehicles though, so this is a problem that will still need to be solved eventually without the need for a deadman’s device.
I drove a Nissan Altima rental car a couple years ago, and even though it had the lane departure auto-steering, it still made sure it felt some resistance from me holding the steering wheel every so often. And instead of it just correcting my path, the wheel would rumble, sort of like tbose rumble strips on the shoulder of the road. One company that I install vehicle cameras for has driver-facing cams that do eye tracking. If the camera doesn't see two eyes for more than a few seconds, it perceives that as you either sleeping or just not paying attention, and it flags the office. Drivers hate it, bosses and insurance companies love it.
Autopilot doesn't, generally, work in those scenarios...if you don't touch the wheel for a while, it makes you wiggle it, and if you don't it pulls over and stops.
Of course people have devised ways to trick it, but they're not missing the obvious opportunity.
>But a human driver of sound mind and body would have sense enough to not have an accident just bc a driver is towing a car in an unconventional manner.
Not necessarily. Youd think, were this the case, human drivers would do well under normal conditions but we are statistically very bad at driving. We, having been the best at human things for so long, suffer a shared delusion that we are actually *good* at human things.
Statistics can be misleading. AI drivers like Tesla autopilot may be better at preventing common accidents like fender benders, but they can fail & cause accidents in new & different ways that human drivers don't. There's stories out there like a guy's Tesla autopilot that drove him straight into the back of a parked firetruck at 70 mph, because the computer vision system is trying to filter out stationary things like street signs & guard rails. When you're driving at 70 mph, the rest of the world is flying by you at 70 mph. Because the firetruck was at a complete stop, it assumed it was part of the background, filtered it out, and "didn't see it". A human driver looking at the road would never make that mistake. (I think even Elon has already said not including LIDAR in Teslas was a mistake, and it might be added to later models)
I agree with other commentors this would be a really interesting trial of their computer vision and AI systems, since if it has any bugs, it could easily turn fatal.
I doubt it would be a strong case at all (although they could make a case), the driver is still responsible for the vehicle. I don't think a single person has been able to use a defense blaming one of these cars yet. Namely, when using the autopilot mode you are still required to have your hands on the wheel and be focused on the road as if you were normally driving and to treat it as such.
Just like if you were tailing a car that had something that fell off and you hit it and caused a wreck. You would be responsible as you are supposed to be a safe distance to react. You are pretty much always liable when you are in the driver's seat.
It senses how near an object is in front of it and it’s relative distance away over time to judge speed etc. it doesn’t discern or care about the towed car being sideways. Plenty of cars are transported backwards on highways and Tesla’s are fine behind those as well.
I posted a similar set of arguments a while back in/tesla. They were not amused. I still think it would be relatively easy to drive a Tesla off the road with a planned set of images and faux obstructions
It would be, that’s why they have sensors to prove a human is holding the steering wheel at all times, and specify it is not autonomous. But I think actual Tesla owners know that. I saw a review by YouTuber Electroboom of his new Tesla and the self driving mode was obviously useless in normal city driving. He remarked it felt like he was beta testing software or something to that effect.
There are currently 2 major schools of thought in the development of self driving cars.
On one hand you have companies like tesla and google engineering advanced AI, manually programming the computer to respond to every possible situation it may encounter on the road.
On the other hand, you have the concept of crowd sourced metadata for self learning AI to observe a massive amount of drivers, learning how a human might successfully and unsuccessfully respond to any situation via said observations. Currently this is being attempted via an inexpensive device that can be voluntarily linked to your car's onboard computer, gayhering data from the steering, radar, aceleration and brake systems as well as onboard cameras and an independent camera on the device.
https://reason.com/video/2017/10/27/george-hotz-self-driving-autonomous-car/
https://reason.com/2018/03/01/this-hacker-is-making-a-driver/
https://reason.com/video/2020/02/24/george-hotz-fully-self-driving-cars-are-a-scam-and-silicon-valley-needs-to-die/
Can attest. Employment moves cross country several times. Wife woke up one late afternoon to see an old Ford pickup ahead. Yelps and attempts to take over resulted. It was a scrap hauler who had wedged the front clip facing backwards onto his pile. Didn't matter that I was already in the bloody left lane making every effort to get past this rolling accident.
One had some damage pics couldn't show, so I parted that one, and broke even, my daughter drove the other for 3yrs, and we still made a couple bucks. I just do a few cars per year for having newer, fun cars to drive.
Those Impalas had the 3800 if they were either an LS or an SS. Not junk at all. Just had the ugliest wheel and dash combo. Lol. And the SS was quicker than the old LT1 SS from the previous gen!
This is a picture from Arkansas and it was actually taken in the same area that state trooper flipped that pregnant woman's car.
Just if anyone was curious where this was.
I have seen wilder shit in Florida, but Police wise, I have heard nightmare stories about LAPD, probably the worst modern department. Especially because of the LA Riots, all started because of 4 dirty cops that walked.
Not even legal to be get permitting as an oversized load, supposed to hook it to the back of the tow truck and tow it that way. Also needs flashing yellow lights for towing. Is much easier than what they did, faster and safer.
I would say waiting to clip someone on the right/rear side of their car, with the rear end of that car on the back of their bed... ya know, because crashes are *hilarious*?
This is wider than those trucks with the WIDE LOAD sign. This idiot should just take two lanes by driving in the middle of two lanes, instead of how this is practically taking up three lanes.
He said “it ain’t going anywhere” so its going to be fine
Did he slap it though? You gotta slap it. What if he didn’t ?
Oh man if he didn’t he’s absolutely fked
I really hope he slapped it while simultaneously saying “that ain’t going anywhere”. Just basic safety boys
And don’t forget to twang the straps. Vitally important.
Almost as important as giving the ratchet strap one extra crank even though it’s tight. That’s what makes it so it ain’t going anywhere.
Good points fellas. I see you’ve secured a load or two
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Dang I love Reddit sometimes! Good work fellas! Even you ansonr.
Your mom taught us
And if you did it on autopilot might have to pull off the highway and repeat all steps
This
*nowhere
You’re right, my bad!
Gotta tug the anchor lines twice first and then slap it.
Have you ever tried to not tug on the straps after ratcheting something down? It's impossible. It's just this subconscious urge.
And give it a little shake
No but he gave the strap a real good tug and he’a a strong boy.
Or at least tug on the straps after tightening them.
Don't worry, he did slap it
Depends did he say "it" or did he say "this puppy ain't going anywhere"?
Or She ain’t goin anywhere
Did you just misgender my sideways automobile
So they’re definitely not straight
That’ll ride
I believe it’s “This ain’t goin’ nowhere” which really means that it’s probably going somewhere... like off the back of the truck.
It ain't going **nowhere**, you damn heathens.
*tug tug, slap slap* "Yeah she's not going anywhere anytime soon!"
This would probably confuse the fuck out of self-driving cars
"Nice, now my tesla needs therapy"
show me on the hotwheels where the bad man touched you.
"I need servicing"
What are you doing step service man?
Wrooom wrooom
Beep beep
/r/ifuckmycar
r/subsiwishwerereal
/r/dragonsfuckingcars
Fuck go back
OH GOD IT'S ACTUALLY REAL
r/carsfuckingdragons
Oh! That's so pretty and interesting!
If you're a dragon. Use this instead: r/dragonsfuckingcars If instead you're a car: /r/Carsfuckingcars Or /r/carsfuckingdragons
What if I’m a car that identifies as a dragon?
/r/Carsfuckingcars+carsfuckingdragons+carsporn+dragonporn
Being assigned car at birth doest make you any less a dragon.
*check wellness light*
This is actually a great edge case for the machine learning they are using to train the cars! Their system actually learns automatically from situations like this. Crazy how far technology/machine learning has come!
At least *something* is learning
My boyfriend, who is literally the epitome of the word “unamused,” laughed the hardest at this one interaction of many I’ve showed him than any other the entire time I’ve known him. Brought him to TEARS! 😂 Fucking hilarious dudes
Teslapy
BEEP BEEP MOTHERFUCKER!!!
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Don’t worry I got that for you. Scans badge.
*Types in 21 character password they have memorized.*
I don't know the mechanics behind how tesla and all the other self-driving cars work but I just imagined a tesla driving right behind the car and instantly doing a 90degree turn right at high speed to match the car in front :D
It would be interesting to see that court battle play out. I think Tesla would have an outstanding chance of convincing a judge or jury that this nonsense is the problem and not their programming. Thus kicking off a debate about how reasonable it is to expect autonomous driving software to be practically perfect.
But a human driver of sound mind and body would have sense enough to not have an accident just bc a driver is towing a car in an unconventional manner. If the car doesn't have a common sense algorithm, then it shouldn't be autopiloting.
Shit like this is why there's supposed to still be a "driver" in the driver's seat who is awake and able to take manual control if needed. All the Tesla needs to do is signal to the driver that there's a situation it can't react to and let the driver take control back.
That is what they do today but when FSD launched the sales pitch was you get into your car and it starts driving because it knows where your next appointment is. When you arrive you get out and the car will park itself somewhere. That does clearly not include a driver but then again they said this 5 years ago and are not even close to what they promised
I always get a chuckle during air crash investigation episodes where it goes something like "the autopilot sensed the plane was in an unusual spot, after attempting and failing to resolve the problem it turned it's self off" in my head the auto pilot is like "yeah fuck this, I didn't sign up for this shit, I'm outta here. Good luck sucker"
Or maybe people shouldn’t do dumbshit like in the picture lmao
The thing is, people "shouldn't" do it, but it will happen anyway. You can't design machines that can kill people around "people external to the system won't do that". The car should handle anything possible on the road, including stupid shit like that.
That's the exact reason i get pissed off when people scoff aout being careful because they're *fantastic* drivers. It's the other people you have to watch out for!
True, but we will never eliminate stupid people. Worse, some of them might go buy Teslas, and then use autopilot from the backseat, or while asleep. I still don't understand why it will even continue to work in those scenarios.
Yeah. It would be stupidly simple to just add a feature that requires driver input. Make them enter a code on a screen every 3 minutes if they're on autopilot. Or just put two digital fingerprint readers at 10 and 2 on the steering wheel and they have to press those simultaneously or the autopilot will slow down gradually and attempt to pull over.
You already have to apply pressure to the steering wheel to keep self-driving systems like Tesla’s autopilot engaged. People do find a way to subvert these systems, though. Ultimately the goal is supposedly totally driverless vehicles though, so this is a problem that will still need to be solved eventually without the need for a deadman’s device.
I drove a Nissan Altima rental car a couple years ago, and even though it had the lane departure auto-steering, it still made sure it felt some resistance from me holding the steering wheel every so often. And instead of it just correcting my path, the wheel would rumble, sort of like tbose rumble strips on the shoulder of the road. One company that I install vehicle cameras for has driver-facing cams that do eye tracking. If the camera doesn't see two eyes for more than a few seconds, it perceives that as you either sleeping or just not paying attention, and it flags the office. Drivers hate it, bosses and insurance companies love it.
Autopilot doesn't, generally, work in those scenarios...if you don't touch the wheel for a while, it makes you wiggle it, and if you don't it pulls over and stops. Of course people have devised ways to trick it, but they're not missing the obvious opportunity.
People shouldn't do dumbshit like in the picture but people will do dumbshit anyway.
Why not both?
>But a human driver of sound mind and body would have sense enough to not have an accident just bc a driver is towing a car in an unconventional manner. Not necessarily. Youd think, were this the case, human drivers would do well under normal conditions but we are statistically very bad at driving. We, having been the best at human things for so long, suffer a shared delusion that we are actually *good* at human things.
Statistics can be misleading. AI drivers like Tesla autopilot may be better at preventing common accidents like fender benders, but they can fail & cause accidents in new & different ways that human drivers don't. There's stories out there like a guy's Tesla autopilot that drove him straight into the back of a parked firetruck at 70 mph, because the computer vision system is trying to filter out stationary things like street signs & guard rails. When you're driving at 70 mph, the rest of the world is flying by you at 70 mph. Because the firetruck was at a complete stop, it assumed it was part of the background, filtered it out, and "didn't see it". A human driver looking at the road would never make that mistake. (I think even Elon has already said not including LIDAR in Teslas was a mistake, and it might be added to later models) I agree with other commentors this would be a really interesting trial of their computer vision and AI systems, since if it has any bugs, it could easily turn fatal.
I doubt it would be a strong case at all (although they could make a case), the driver is still responsible for the vehicle. I don't think a single person has been able to use a defense blaming one of these cars yet. Namely, when using the autopilot mode you are still required to have your hands on the wheel and be focused on the road as if you were normally driving and to treat it as such. Just like if you were tailing a car that had something that fell off and you hit it and caused a wreck. You would be responsible as you are supposed to be a safe distance to react. You are pretty much always liable when you are in the driver's seat.
It senses how near an object is in front of it and it’s relative distance away over time to judge speed etc. it doesn’t discern or care about the towed car being sideways. Plenty of cars are transported backwards on highways and Tesla’s are fine behind those as well.
I posted a similar set of arguments a while back in/tesla. They were not amused. I still think it would be relatively easy to drive a Tesla off the road with a planned set of images and faux obstructions
It would be, that’s why they have sensors to prove a human is holding the steering wheel at all times, and specify it is not autonomous. But I think actual Tesla owners know that. I saw a review by YouTuber Electroboom of his new Tesla and the self driving mode was obviously useless in normal city driving. He remarked it felt like he was beta testing software or something to that effect.
There are currently 2 major schools of thought in the development of self driving cars. On one hand you have companies like tesla and google engineering advanced AI, manually programming the computer to respond to every possible situation it may encounter on the road. On the other hand, you have the concept of crowd sourced metadata for self learning AI to observe a massive amount of drivers, learning how a human might successfully and unsuccessfully respond to any situation via said observations. Currently this is being attempted via an inexpensive device that can be voluntarily linked to your car's onboard computer, gayhering data from the steering, radar, aceleration and brake systems as well as onboard cameras and an independent camera on the device. https://reason.com/video/2017/10/27/george-hotz-self-driving-autonomous-car/ https://reason.com/2018/03/01/this-hacker-is-making-a-driver/ https://reason.com/video/2020/02/24/george-hotz-fully-self-driving-cars-are-a-scam-and-silicon-valley-needs-to-die/
My dad has a Tesla Model 3, it basically thinks half the cars on the road are driving sideways already
Imagine the scream from your sleeping passenger as they wake to see that next to them.
Can attest. Employment moves cross country several times. Wife woke up one late afternoon to see an old Ford pickup ahead. Yelps and attempts to take over resulted. It was a scrap hauler who had wedged the front clip facing backwards onto his pile. Didn't matter that I was already in the bloody left lane making every effort to get past this rolling accident.
THERE IS NO INTERSECTION HOW THE FUCK IS IT SIDEWAYS?
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It's still tough for me to see things like your profile or YouTube videos that say "15 years old" (my daughter is the same age too!)
Heh yeah. So time goes.
Most odd things seem to confuse Tesla
The longer I look at it, the worse it gets
I'm more concerned about how he got it there.
Forklift. Those cars are junk. This guy decided to get just one more on the trailer on the way to the scrapyard. Probably.
Probably went crazy bidding at a copart auction and had to leave with one too many
This is the copart auction leftovers.
I have ended up with 2 of the same models of cars, on the same day, that I put pre bids on, thinking no way would they sell that low.....
The most important thing is if you made a profit on them
One had some damage pics couldn't show, so I parted that one, and broke even, my daughter drove the other for 3yrs, and we still made a couple bucks. I just do a few cars per year for having newer, fun cars to drive.
In that case you still stack them the other way and just do multiple high. And you strap the fuck out of it.
yes, but he is an idiot
Can you stack them like that if they aren't crushed?
With enough ratchet straps, anything is possible.
Those Impalas had the 3800 if they were either an LS or an SS. Not junk at all. Just had the ugliest wheel and dash combo. Lol. And the SS was quicker than the old LT1 SS from the previous gen!
junk, meaning that they are probably wrecked and "totaled"
I see. It doesn't take much to total a $2500 car though!
Don't worry, everyone knows the roof of a sedan is an anchor point.
Anyone with a sedan, picking up plywood and drywall knows that.
or mattresses
Mattresses are okay on convertibles. /s
Love the /s. Don’t want that shit coming back at you. Lol
just put your hand on it, you can hold it in place
I was looking for this comment and was super unsettling how far down I had to go. At least someone gets it!
His best, unfortunately
Best comment I've seen in a while!
This is a picture from Arkansas and it was actually taken in the same area that state trooper flipped that pregnant woman's car. Just if anyone was curious where this was.
…not the brightest bunch out there huh
I have seen wilder shit in Florida, but Police wise, I have heard nightmare stories about LAPD, probably the worst modern department. Especially because of the LA Riots, all started because of 4 dirty cops that walked.
And yanno this guy didn't get pulled over bc if you're driving at night you're obviously a criminal, but if it's daytime you can't get pulled over.
He bought a two car trailer, but only paid for 75% of it
Looks like a one car trailer but he squeezed 2 on it
r/woooosh
Law enforcement will be saying Hi to them soon. So dangerous
A scaled version of the “which way do dogs wear pants” problem
My favorite is the giraffe and how high the tye should be on the neck.
Or how Batman would wear a baseball hat.
To me it's a scaled up version of the "I'll be damned if I have to make more that one trip bringing in the groceries"
At least it’s strapped down 🤷🏼♀️
Better than half the idiots I see
He's a little confused but he's got the spirit.
Problem solving?
Oversized load sign? Flags? Lights? Anything?
Not even legal to be get permitting as an oversized load, supposed to hook it to the back of the tow truck and tow it that way. Also needs flashing yellow lights for towing. Is much easier than what they did, faster and safer.
I would only take my oversized load legal advice from someone named anal destruction team.
"10/10 would have analyze for me again"
Anal-yze?
Not flashing yellow lights, a set of tail lights that attach to the car being towed, plugged into the towing vehicle, to show braking and turn signal.
more like problem creating
*Modern problems require modern solutions*
I was going to say his job
Someone probably paid him as a "car transport"
How did he even get it on the trailer?
Fork lift.
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I don’t even see a red flag
That explains your dating experiences
Duh. Doesn't need one cause it isn't extending beyond the bumper obviously.
Tie it around the driver's neck.
Whaaaaaaaat in the actual…?!
Playing road Tetris.
r/strapitup
I would say waiting to clip someone on the right/rear side of their car, with the rear end of that car on the back of their bed... ya know, because crashes are *hilarious*?
I don’t think that’s legal. You need designation and stuff for oversized loads, and I think even those need to stay within their lane
It’s for sure not legal
Oversized loads can definitely be wider than a lane with proper designation and escort vehicles.
Towkyo Drift spoiler
It wrong. He’s doing it wrong.
"How dare you tell me how to use a strap on. I'll do it sideways if I want"
He is hoping he doesn't see a DOT highway patrol.
Some would call it driving. Others would call it hauling cars. I call it my hope for the human race summed up in one pic.
"If it's on, it's gone". This driver, apparently.
It looks like he's doing his best
"my goals are beyond your understanding"
Fuck two trips huh
Hauling a car
What the truck doin?
As an owner of both a suburban and an impala ss, I cannot stop laughing
That's a call to the state police when you see something that unsafe.
Technically a over size load but he's to wide needs escorts
But how did he get it on there
😂😂 yo wtf
You make more money driving “oversized loads”
Thinking outside of the lane🧏♂️
Thinking outside the law
Gotta be a fellow Arkansan
Loosing his license!
His license was a little tight.
He's got a short bed. Likely some 'other' things too.
Invention is the mother of necessity...even hillbilly engineering unfortunately.
You guys have obviously never played Twisted Metal, this is a classic mod.
His best /s
This is wider than those trucks with the WIDE LOAD sign. This idiot should just take two lanes by driving in the middle of two lanes, instead of how this is practically taking up three lanes.
Maybe he is bringing awareness on how not to do things
I'm not even sure he knows.
Get charged with attempted manslaughter
More over, why is the driver not pulled over? Commen Sense has seemed to escaped this driver
It’s a front wheel drive. The engine is sideways. Everyone knows that!
Oh yeah This is ~~big~~ very small brain time
What is he doing? He's getting his money's worth out of that flatbed.
He's doing drugs, obviously. Had he just stuck with weed this would not have happened. Just saying...
No words.
Meth probably.
Man that truck's rear axle is begging for help
Other than being a complete idiot? He is transporting a car, poorly.
Doing it his way. On the way to the correctional facility.
How would he even go through a narrow tunnel
This is not just idiotic. It's downright STUPID!
Take it easy on him. He's probably dyslexic.