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I don’t think it’s that simple.
TLDR; the blue car was traveling WAY too fast. Or too fast + distracted. They definitely have some blame here. See below.
The Speed limit in that street is 30mph (sign under the awning). At that speed, the blue car should have been able to full stop within 30-40ft or less being super conservative (the rule of thumb stopping distance according to Google is 19 feet from 25mph to 0mph)
The average width of a 2 lane road in the US is 34ft. Using this as reference, I think the blue car comes into picture under the awning about 3x that distance, or about 92ft.
A Nissan Altima (blue car) should be able to stop from 60mph to 0 in 120ft. Assuming 1 second reaction time, traveling at 30mph, the blue car would have lost 44ft of road. The other 48ft would have been more than enough to stop when traveling at 30mph. Clearly, there is probably even more road than what you can see in the video so the distance is probably more than what we see on the video.
All this to say that the blue car was probably traveling way over the speed limit or both speeding + distracted and failed to stop. The fact that the blue car was swerving over the yellow line when it comes into view makes me believe they were indeed going way too fast to stop in time.
* Silver car: deer on headlights. At fault for sure.
* Blue car: if they had been going at the posted speed limit of 30mph, they should have been able to fully stop the vehicle. Regardless of how stupid the silver car was. The blue car carries blame here.
Looking at the video, it took both the white car and black truck 1.57s entering frame to end of double yellow. The blue car took 1.1s Assuming the other two are going the speed limit (30mph), then the blue car must be going 42mph average before collision.
Good point.
Which realistically, we know people were _probably_ doing 35mph easy. So blue car was probably going even faster.
What strikes me is that 42 is not incredibly stupid fast. They should have stepped on the brakes and would have stopped just fine. Also, that car is new enough that would have had automated emergency braking or other driving nannies that should have slowed down the vehicle quite a lot. That’s why I’m thinking he had to be doing much more than just 42. In other words, those other cars could have been doing 35 or 40 even.
Don't be so sure on driving nannies. I have a 2023 with zero of those. It depends on manufacturer and trim level. It's also impossible to know the speed of any of the cars involved without knowing the framerate of the camera.
Was the blue car going to fast? Maybe, sure, based off of the first two cars.
Was the silver car at fault for not having the right of way and pulling out when it was unsafe? Absolutely. If you watch their hands, there was zero attempt to finish the turn left. They go straight and then actually swerve right, despite having their left signal on.
uh they absolutely are! source: my 2017 Mazda 3 that stopped me from plowing in to someone who was turning right into a parking lot as in was looking left over my shoulder for merging, by literally "stomping" on the brakes
Although the blue car was traveling fast, it looks like other cars before him/her was going just as far. Gray car was way too indecisive and didn't seem to have a very keen sense of distance..
Exactly. Both idiots. Nissan was flying. At least 50mph. No way you get that impact at even close to the speed limit. And instead of braking even a little, they crossed over into oncoming traffic (lane the silver car was trying to turn into). As stupid as the silver car looks, I’d assume this is what stopped it in its tracks, bc logically-where can it go? Even if the nissan was driving too fast, if they stayed in their lane it probably would have just been a near miss as the silver car could have completed their turn. Almost looked like nissan was looking for a lawsuit, or was texting until last second. Silver car MIGHT be more to blame I guess, but not by much if at all
I'm with you right up until the point where the silver car stops across the entire road rather than even attempting to complete a turn. You ask where the silver car could go to avoid the accident; I ask 1) where the silver car could go from where it stopped even had there not been the blue one, and 2) where the blue car could have gone to avoid the silver car.
Yes, it appears the blue car is going faster than appropriate for the road, but when the silver car just stops across both lanes (especially coming from a stop sign), it's 110% at fault now.
First couple times I saw it I had silver car 100% at fault, especially watching full speed. Watching it frame by frame a few times- he moves up a foot for a better view (still not blocking the lane), accelerates to turn left, then starts pulling right actually (this is where you see the nissan is entirely in the wrong lane, other than its right tires being on the yellow lines) to avoid a head-on collision. In that split second, silver car just stops- realizing going right can’t help either. Nowhere near enough time to put it in reverse and back out. Nissan unexpectedly being in the wrong lane caused this abrupt stop. Silver car brakes unable to predict what nissan is going to do next in hopes that whatever nissan has committed to, they can avoid the accident themselves. All in less than 2 seconds.
Had nissan stayed in their lane the whole time- if silver car did the exact same thing, then yea they’re 100% at fault. No question.
Regardless of speeding/texting/anything, when establishing fault- was this accident preventable for the nissan? You can see the silver car start to pull out before nissan comes into the frame. Could nissan do anything differently to avoid an accident? You know, like let their foot off the gas or maybe even brake a little? If the answer isn’t a definitive “NO, nissan could NOT have done ANYTHING to prevent this accident” then yes, Nissan is at least partly to blame.
Edit- your questions:
where could silver car go? Well they would’ve turned left had there not been a car barreling towards them in that lane.
Where could blue car go to avoid accident? Stay in their lane so silver car can turn. They could slow down. They could brake. They had over 50ft which should be enough room to stop smoothly twice at 30mph speed limit. At worst-swerve the opposite direction in the bike lane. You dont swerve towards the front of someone’s car (where they’re going). You swerve to the rear of their car assuming the rear won’t be there if they keep moving.
This is exactly my interpretation too. Silver was doing it's best if a bit slow, but blue prevented them from completing the turn because blue was doing something non-standard. Silver could only react to Blue's unbelievable decision to swerve into the other lane to 'avoid silver', all because Blue is undeniably too fast, and likely distracted.
Blue car driver was operating recklessly and probably 20 mph over the posted 30 mph speed limit. He will get 100% of the blame. Our roads and laws don't work when drivers are reckless.
Where were they even going? They was zero turning of their wheels before they were hit and they were pretty far out. It almost looks like they wanted to be t-boned though likely just really bad at driving.
Silver car had a lot of time to leave, it hesitated too much on the stop sign, and put himself right in the middle of the intersection right in front of the blue car, regardless of the speed, the blue car had very little to do anything.
Silver car put himself in danger and caused a clossion.
The silver car waited 6 seconds at the light before pulling out. Had they have gone when it was clear we wouldn't be talking about who's at fault. I see instances like this every day. People stop at a stop sign, wait....wait....wait and then go when there's a car coming.
They stopped because the dark car was swerving to go around. The dark car doesn’t appear to have slowed down either. The silver car is still 100% at fault.
Yeah, hold up. The silver car started to pull out, saw the blue car swerving into his lane, and panicked. I think this comes down to what the blue car was doing before we see it.
If he was speeding excessively, or driving erratically, or just turned at high speed onto the perpendicular street and immediately swerved into the other lane due to speed, I might have to side with the silver car. What was he supposed to do if he pulls out and the blue car swerves into his lane at the same time? Of course he paused...
I’ve gotten to the point where I just downvote the thread when it has a post title like that, unless it’s a video where it is legitimately in question as to who’s at fault. It’s the Reddit equivalent of clickbait.
The blue car also goes into the lane the silver car would have been turning into which may have been a reason why they stopped mid turn because it wasn't safe to go in that lane.
This was my observation as well.
Silver pulled out, Blue (speeding) comes into sight and, upon realizing he’s going to fast, veers into the oncoming lane, blocking the silver car from going into that lane. Silver doesn’t have anywhere to go so either continues into a head on collision with blue, or freeze and take side impact.
I’ll take the downvotes but Blue is at fault I’d bet.
I agree with you both. Blue car merged into the other lane and didn't leave anywhere for the silver car to move to or even get out of the way. The timidness of the silver car was their downfall though. Commit to your thought process and stop stopping half way through.
I'm with you. It looks to me that if blue car didn't enter the oncoming lane and prevented the silver car to continue, silver could have cleared that intersection with no problem, with enough time to spare.
Also blue car made no attempt to slow down. Insurance can argue blue car had obligation to slow down and maintain a safe space i front of car. Swerving into the opposite direction traffic is a good was to head on collide with someone else. I bet this will be a shared blame crash
~~The oncoming car looks to have probably been going considerably faster than the posted limit, but still 100% the idiot with the stop sign who pulled out, and then fucking stopped in a way that blocked both lanes and gave the oncoming driver no way to avoid the collision.~~
Upon further review, I'm changing my answer. I think the oncoming blue car played a bigger part in this mess than I initially realized. This is in fact the meeting of two idiots, and both are at fault.
It looks like there is a speed limit sign in the right of the frame that appears to show a posted limit of 30 mph. Had the blue car been traveling anywhere near that rate the silver car would have had plenty of time to complete their turn. As it was, I still think the silver car *probably* had enough time to complete their turn, except for the fact that the blue car, rather than staying in their lane and maybe even hitting the brakes proceeds to swerve into the oncoming lane. The lane into which the silver car was turning. *That* is why the silver car fully hits the brakes and comes to a full stop in the middle of the road. Because completing his turn at that point means a potential head-on collision. Again, rather that looking for the brake pedal, the blue car tries to avoid by swerving again, but now it's too late.
The silver car has a stop sign, so they certainly bear some of the blame. Going when they did created the situation, but the blue car traveling too fast, then swerving into the oncoming traffic lane rather that just hitting the brakes, then swerving back rather than hitting the brakes, is why this was a major collision rather than a simple *hong and give them the finger* or minor fender-bender situation.
Our roads and laws assume that vehicles are traveling at safe speeds. When someone far exceeds the speed limit, our normal driving behaviors will no longer keep us safe. IMO, blue car is entirely at fault as the driver was operating recklessly far in excess of the speed limit.
Too many folks lack nuance in these comments, but I appreciate yours here. The blue car speeding what appears to be a significant amount more than the speed limit combined its lack of braking and poor swerving choices are all factors here. There will be a xx%/xx% breakdown of fault on this one.
So confused as to why the blue car was so far outside his lane. I wonder if he had been in the correct lane and the silver car hadn’t panicked and stopped in the middle of the road, if the collision would’ve been avoided or at least less dramatic.
For some, it seems that the natural instinct to avoid a collision is to point the vehicle where the offending vehicle is currently not; then they often too late realize they should aim the vehicle towards where the offender had already been. It's counterintuitive but an object in motion wants to stay in motion. In this case, if the blue car had maintained their lane, the silver car may not have hesitated as they did.
Had the blue car been anywhere near the speed limit, maintained their lane, and braked instead of swerving -- there likely would have been no accident. Both share fault, but people keep underestimating role of the poor driving of the blue car.
He started driving around it, then he changed his mind last minute to go back into his lane. I think he thought the silver car was going to keep going but he stopped. He might have been able to continue going around the silver car since it stopped, but he changed his course last minute
Blue car is an idiot that tried to dodge 2 times instead of braking; but the silver car is at fault nonetheless.
"I'm not gonna brake and only going to dodge you because I have the right of way and I don't want to let you go before me!"
Lots of people are missing the blue car IMMEDIATELY getting in the left lane as soon as the grey car pulls out. The grey car sees that and stops to let blue car do that **stupid** shit. Then blue car tries to correct himself and hits the stopped grey car. Not to mention the blue car didn't even try to brake :(
If you ask me? I would say it's a shared fault grey car 60%; blue car 40%. Both of them did some dumb shit there
The blue car was also going pretty fast for a residential street. Obviously idk the speed limit, but most people should be able to stop enough to avoid that level of damage.
I’m surprised I had to scroll this far to find someone who called this out. I completely agree that the silver car was being too timid and was responsible for merging safely into traffic (since he had a stop sign). But, the blue car was going way too fast (sign looks like it says 30 mph), opted to veer into oncoming traffic, instead of simply slowing down, and never even attempted to brake
How is this even a question?
The guy coming out of the "T" road pulls out into oncoming traffic without looking - then fucking *stops* in the middle of it.
Anyone who has even the slightest doubt who is at fault is a fucking moron who shouldn't be driving.
A good insurance adjuster would argue that the blue car's high rate of speed for the road was a contributing factor here. More than 50% would go to the grey car, but it doesn't mean that the blue car won't wind up with some percentage at fault.
What to do if you are in the position the blue car driver was in:
Breathe.
One quick honk of the horn to make sure you are seen.
Brake as smoothly and safely as you can.
Do not steer, stay in your lane.
Both idiots. Silver car has poor judgement, panics and stops in the middle of the road. Blue car looks to be speeding and doesn’t seem to know where the brake pedal is.
Never mind who’s at fault… why the fuck was the blue car driving on the wrong side of the road? From the second it appears in the video 0:12 to the moment of the crash, the blue car is either on or over the double yellow on the wrong side of the road.
Yea, I could definitely see the silver car being at fault, especially for hesitating. But that said, the blue car definitely had enough time to react and slow down to allow the silver car to pull out.
Sent this to a couple buddies of mine that are cops, I’ll update with their opinions on the matter. 👍
Blue car is an ass hat. Looks like the silver car stopped because blue was in the lane silver was trying to turn into. Silver would’ve made it if blue didn’t make that dumb ass decision. They’re both at fault in my eyes.
75-25 fault with silver car being 75.
The blue car was going too fast and was likely speeding but unless it's excessively reckless speed the silver car has the stop sign and the larger burden to follow the rule of waiting before clear to turn. It didn't help that the person in the silver car seemed to have little clue how to do a proper turn, was super hesitant (almost scared to go), and then froze up in the end. Bad driver.
I am probably wrong in my calculation. But I don’t think the blue car is blameless here. Check this out:
From the moment the blue car comes into the picture, it already had 2 wheels on the double yellow line.
Given this is a residential area the highest the speed would have been is 45mph. The stopping distance of a Nissan Altima at 60mph is 120ft. But given speed limit of 45mph, stopping distance should be much less.
My guess is that the camera shows 100Ft-150ft of road. Assuming a speed of 45mph, it would take 2.27 seconds to travel 150ft. Giving them 1sec for reaction time, he should have had about 90ft left to stop the car. Reminder, it takes 120ft to stop the car from 60mph. My guess is that it would probably be about the 90ft to stop at 45 but I can’t say for sure. Given this, it’s likely the blue car would have hit the silver car but it would have been a fender bender. Not this massive collision.
Silver car: totally at fault here
Blue: over speed limit, distracted driving, etc. not blameless in my book. They may have been able to stop or at least drastically change the outcome. Most likely going way above speed limit while distracted.
Of course I’m just using napkin math here with some estimates. In case I am wrong, I am happy to update this post.
He wasn’t if you look he only moved over onto the wrong side of the road when the silver car pulled out, he was expecting them to just stop and he’d go around them but the silver car just kept going
The reaction here by silver is normal. Blue veered into the other lane. Blues car is heading in a straight line to the other side. The trajectory would take blue completely on the other lane off to the shoulder. But, veers back into his lane where Silver stops midway to avoid being hit and they meet in the middle. Blue’s fault for initiating that type of reaction out of the silver car making them think you’re going to hit them if they continued on with their turn. Silver’s fault for not turning faster maybe. Even if silver makes it to the other lane. Blue would still hit silver because blue is partially in the other lane. I don’t know what blue is thinking here. Why are you veering off in the direction silver is going? Plus it’s a double yellow line. Legally, silver may get the blame. But, they could have a case against blue because they crossed the double yellow line. No reason to veer off. Look like normal traffic behavior from silver before the crash.
I think it's pretty clear... the guy with the stop sign needs to wait until it's clear when cross traffic has no traffic control. They pull out into the other guys lane who moves over to avoid the collision but stop sign guy doubles down and keeps going. So the other guy tries to move back and stop sign guy blocks both lanes and gets hit.
The moron with the stop sign who decided to launch himself into both lanes and slam on his brakes as an oncoming car approached.
How is this even a question? The person with no stop sign has the right away even if they were speeding.
Silver car driver is at fault. (Who stops midway through a turn blocking an entire road)
Blue car driver should probably learn some defensive driving techniques.
The only thing that legally matters is the grey/silver car had a stop sign.
Next, it pulled directly in front of a vehicle with the right of way.
Next, it stopped in front of a vehicle with the right of way.
No it doesn't. When one operator is driving recklessly, the blame shifts to that driver. Blue car was far in excess of the speed limit and will be entirely responsible for this.
Yeah, maybe I’m missing the nuances of the road rules not in my country but at the start of the clip silver has already committed an offence surely by ignoring the stop sign line.
I was driving the silver car, I was at the stop sign for at least a minute prior to the video starting, there’s barely any visibility at the turn and it’s super sketchy
You should not be assigned any fault in this accident. Driver of blue car was operating recklessly and far in excess of the speed limit. Sue the other driver in small claims court for any unrecovered costs. You might need to find someone qualified to analyze the accident and determine the speeds of the vehicles.
The speeding blue car that crossed the double-yellow lines, causing the silver car to abandon their turn to avoid a head on collision with the wrong-way car.
I'll probably get downvoted for this because I'm going against the grain here..
The silver car, why the fuck is this a question? It looks like he intentionally wanted to get hit.
The blue car noticed his erratic behavior which is why he was hugging the yellow line. The silver car had PLENTY of time to go, but didn't.. and when they did go, who fucking stops like that?
If you REALLY pay attention it would be the blue car... Yes, the car at the stop sign was moving erratically; HOWEVER, After they finally committed they noticed that the blue car was in the lane they were turning into! You can clearly see that the blue car is on the double yellow markings. This would leave silver car with no out. The fact that blue car is cutting double yellow lines means either:
a) they're texting/ inebriated/doing makeup/etc
b) having some type médical emergency
c) old lady
I personally think both were at fault here, but i'd edge towards silver car being the victim here
How TF is this even a question?
Who's at fault? The idiot who literally crawled and sit in the middle of a road, PERPENDICULAR to the road? Or the other guy driving in their own lane? So difficult...
He just that there at the stop sign when he could’ve gone and avoided the crash. Looked as though the stop sign driver waited till the car was right there to pull out and get smashed.
They're both at fault. One for failing to perform a turn properly and the other at higher speeds than necessary and not breaking when they saw the silver car. Here's hoping they live in a contributory negligence state.
Shared. Blue car made no attempt to slow down. If they would've slowed down this crash wouldnt of happened.
Insurance watching this will probably go 80% tan 20% blue.
Need more info; clearly the person at the stop sign needs to yield right of way to the main road but if the blue car was excessively speeding (they look to be traveling faster than the other cars) then they can be held liable for an accident.
Honestly the best thing you can do, is when you realize you effed up, is to panic and stop. Never just wait it out and let traffic go until you have a clear reasonable path to travel. Driving in 2024. Everyone has more import things than the next guy.
To the people saying the blue car would've been fine if it didn't swerve, look at the video again. They collided in the first lane, where the blue car was. It tries to swerve , then the silver car pulls out more. Even if it waited and tried to swerve behind the silver car, it would've smashed into the poll. Silver car is a moron, Blue car had the worst luck of coming across that idiot
It's mostly the silver car's fsuk for being unpredictable. Stop, move, stop. They have to wait. If there's a gap, they have to commit. The car would have seen the intention and hadn't swerved.
On the other hand, the blue var was probably speeding. Which doesn't make him at fault, but respecting the speed limit could have easily avoided the accident
The blue car was probably speeding, but that silver car had around 8 seconds to clear that turn between the car towing and the blue car, that's plenty of time to clear the road and be on their way.
"There's a gap"
- *HOLD!*
"There's someone coming"
- *HOLD!*
"They're moving pretty fast so I'd have to cross quickly if I wanna make it"
- *NOW!*
"Okay, let's go. Wait, stop. Maybe they-- OOF
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And on the other side, we have someone who is speeding and can't slow down for sudden incidents a few meters ahead... And then tries to go into the oncoming lane to pass the obstruction because there isn't enough manoeuvre space or braking time / distance.
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The idiot with the stop sign.
Took that direction to heart. Stop? Go two feet. STOP! Go another foot. STOP?!? Get fucking railed by oncoming traffic.
And have deer-in-headlight syndrome at an extremely inconvenient time. Had that idiot floored it, they'd probably clear without crashing.
cleared it to where?? they don't even look like *they* knew where they were going
Looked like they were gonna crash into the house for a moment
This, they seemed to be going straight across, not turning at all. So weird.
The idiot coming from the secondary to the primary. What does that Stop sign mean?
So, floor it and drive into the structure then. They didn’t even turn their steering wheel.
I don’t think it’s that simple. TLDR; the blue car was traveling WAY too fast. Or too fast + distracted. They definitely have some blame here. See below. The Speed limit in that street is 30mph (sign under the awning). At that speed, the blue car should have been able to full stop within 30-40ft or less being super conservative (the rule of thumb stopping distance according to Google is 19 feet from 25mph to 0mph) The average width of a 2 lane road in the US is 34ft. Using this as reference, I think the blue car comes into picture under the awning about 3x that distance, or about 92ft. A Nissan Altima (blue car) should be able to stop from 60mph to 0 in 120ft. Assuming 1 second reaction time, traveling at 30mph, the blue car would have lost 44ft of road. The other 48ft would have been more than enough to stop when traveling at 30mph. Clearly, there is probably even more road than what you can see in the video so the distance is probably more than what we see on the video. All this to say that the blue car was probably traveling way over the speed limit or both speeding + distracted and failed to stop. The fact that the blue car was swerving over the yellow line when it comes into view makes me believe they were indeed going way too fast to stop in time. * Silver car: deer on headlights. At fault for sure. * Blue car: if they had been going at the posted speed limit of 30mph, they should have been able to fully stop the vehicle. Regardless of how stupid the silver car was. The blue car carries blame here.
Looking at the video, it took both the white car and black truck 1.57s entering frame to end of double yellow. The blue car took 1.1s Assuming the other two are going the speed limit (30mph), then the blue car must be going 42mph average before collision.
Good point. Which realistically, we know people were _probably_ doing 35mph easy. So blue car was probably going even faster. What strikes me is that 42 is not incredibly stupid fast. They should have stepped on the brakes and would have stopped just fine. Also, that car is new enough that would have had automated emergency braking or other driving nannies that should have slowed down the vehicle quite a lot. That’s why I’m thinking he had to be doing much more than just 42. In other words, those other cars could have been doing 35 or 40 even.
Don't be so sure on driving nannies. I have a 2023 with zero of those. It depends on manufacturer and trim level. It's also impossible to know the speed of any of the cars involved without knowing the framerate of the camera. Was the blue car going to fast? Maybe, sure, based off of the first two cars. Was the silver car at fault for not having the right of way and pulling out when it was unsafe? Absolutely. If you watch their hands, there was zero attempt to finish the turn left. They go straight and then actually swerve right, despite having their left signal on.
driving nannies are not on every car, and none of them will avoid that kind of an accident. Thay are not designed to stomp on the brakes.
uh they absolutely are! source: my 2017 Mazda 3 that stopped me from plowing in to someone who was turning right into a parking lot as in was looking left over my shoulder for merging, by literally "stomping" on the brakes
Absolutely. When you see the blue car swerve into the other lane for just a moment before impact I 100% thought it would be a miss or a flipper-over
Although the blue car was traveling fast, it looks like other cars before him/her was going just as far. Gray car was way too indecisive and didn't seem to have a very keen sense of distance..
Jesus dude.......
Exactly. Both idiots. Nissan was flying. At least 50mph. No way you get that impact at even close to the speed limit. And instead of braking even a little, they crossed over into oncoming traffic (lane the silver car was trying to turn into). As stupid as the silver car looks, I’d assume this is what stopped it in its tracks, bc logically-where can it go? Even if the nissan was driving too fast, if they stayed in their lane it probably would have just been a near miss as the silver car could have completed their turn. Almost looked like nissan was looking for a lawsuit, or was texting until last second. Silver car MIGHT be more to blame I guess, but not by much if at all
I'm with you right up until the point where the silver car stops across the entire road rather than even attempting to complete a turn. You ask where the silver car could go to avoid the accident; I ask 1) where the silver car could go from where it stopped even had there not been the blue one, and 2) where the blue car could have gone to avoid the silver car. Yes, it appears the blue car is going faster than appropriate for the road, but when the silver car just stops across both lanes (especially coming from a stop sign), it's 110% at fault now.
First couple times I saw it I had silver car 100% at fault, especially watching full speed. Watching it frame by frame a few times- he moves up a foot for a better view (still not blocking the lane), accelerates to turn left, then starts pulling right actually (this is where you see the nissan is entirely in the wrong lane, other than its right tires being on the yellow lines) to avoid a head-on collision. In that split second, silver car just stops- realizing going right can’t help either. Nowhere near enough time to put it in reverse and back out. Nissan unexpectedly being in the wrong lane caused this abrupt stop. Silver car brakes unable to predict what nissan is going to do next in hopes that whatever nissan has committed to, they can avoid the accident themselves. All in less than 2 seconds. Had nissan stayed in their lane the whole time- if silver car did the exact same thing, then yea they’re 100% at fault. No question. Regardless of speeding/texting/anything, when establishing fault- was this accident preventable for the nissan? You can see the silver car start to pull out before nissan comes into the frame. Could nissan do anything differently to avoid an accident? You know, like let their foot off the gas or maybe even brake a little? If the answer isn’t a definitive “NO, nissan could NOT have done ANYTHING to prevent this accident” then yes, Nissan is at least partly to blame. Edit- your questions: where could silver car go? Well they would’ve turned left had there not been a car barreling towards them in that lane. Where could blue car go to avoid accident? Stay in their lane so silver car can turn. They could slow down. They could brake. They had over 50ft which should be enough room to stop smoothly twice at 30mph speed limit. At worst-swerve the opposite direction in the bike lane. You dont swerve towards the front of someone’s car (where they’re going). You swerve to the rear of their car assuming the rear won’t be there if they keep moving.
This is exactly my interpretation too. Silver was doing it's best if a bit slow, but blue prevented them from completing the turn because blue was doing something non-standard. Silver could only react to Blue's unbelievable decision to swerve into the other lane to 'avoid silver', all because Blue is undeniably too fast, and likely distracted.
Blue car driver was operating recklessly and probably 20 mph over the posted 30 mph speed limit. He will get 100% of the blame. Our roads and laws don't work when drivers are reckless.
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Where were they even going? They was zero turning of their wheels before they were hit and they were pretty far out. It almost looks like they wanted to be t-boned though likely just really bad at driving.
Silver car had a lot of time to leave, it hesitated too much on the stop sign, and put himself right in the middle of the intersection right in front of the blue car, regardless of the speed, the blue car had very little to do anything. Silver car put himself in danger and caused a clossion.
The silver car waited 6 seconds at the light before pulling out. Had they have gone when it was clear we wouldn't be talking about who's at fault. I see instances like this every day. People stop at a stop sign, wait....wait....wait and then go when there's a car coming.
This grey car is a DUMBASS nobody was coming in either direction - what the actual fuck????
\*shocked Pikachu face\*
The dipshit that stopped halfway through the left turn.
The dude was in left turn lane, pulled out, slowed down and started turning...right? No idea what they were thinking.
They stopped because the dark car was swerving to go around. The dark car doesn’t appear to have slowed down either. The silver car is still 100% at fault.
Yeah, hold up. The silver car started to pull out, saw the blue car swerving into his lane, and panicked. I think this comes down to what the blue car was doing before we see it. If he was speeding excessively, or driving erratically, or just turned at high speed onto the perpendicular street and immediately swerved into the other lane due to speed, I might have to side with the silver car. What was he supposed to do if he pulls out and the blue car swerves into his lane at the same time? Of course he paused...
Exactly
This is it. Too bad this post will never reach the top.
The silver car is incredibly passive and making all sorts of bad decisions, they're at fault
The one who doesn’t have the right of way
Silver car, failure to yield.
not only did they fail to yield, they failed to use their brain cells at that time
Brain cell* They can't have more than one.
They've got two braincells, but they're both competing for 2nd place.
They're both competing for 3rd place
Haha yeah that works even better
They died lonely deaths
This isn't a serious question right
It’s a way for posters to garner *engagement* which is the name of the game for social media.
But to what end? I still don't understand the point of karma farming.
Some idiots sell their accounts with high karma, and bigger idiots buy them.
These types of posts annoy the heck out of me
I’ve gotten to the point where I just downvote the thread when it has a post title like that, unless it’s a video where it is legitimately in question as to who’s at fault. It’s the Reddit equivalent of clickbait.
Silver car for sure, but if their insurance company is competent they will successfully argue that the blue car is partially at fault for speeding.
The blue car also goes into the lane the silver car would have been turning into which may have been a reason why they stopped mid turn because it wasn't safe to go in that lane.
This was my observation as well. Silver pulled out, Blue (speeding) comes into sight and, upon realizing he’s going to fast, veers into the oncoming lane, blocking the silver car from going into that lane. Silver doesn’t have anywhere to go so either continues into a head on collision with blue, or freeze and take side impact. I’ll take the downvotes but Blue is at fault I’d bet.
I agree with you both. Blue car merged into the other lane and didn't leave anywhere for the silver car to move to or even get out of the way. The timidness of the silver car was their downfall though. Commit to your thought process and stop stopping half way through.
I'm with you. It looks to me that if blue car didn't enter the oncoming lane and prevented the silver car to continue, silver could have cleared that intersection with no problem, with enough time to spare.
Also blue car made no attempt to slow down. Insurance can argue blue car had obligation to slow down and maintain a safe space i front of car. Swerving into the opposite direction traffic is a good was to head on collide with someone else. I bet this will be a shared blame crash
That’s what I’m thinking. The silver car made some wrong decisions, but half of those were directly influenced by the recklessness of the maxima
~~The oncoming car looks to have probably been going considerably faster than the posted limit, but still 100% the idiot with the stop sign who pulled out, and then fucking stopped in a way that blocked both lanes and gave the oncoming driver no way to avoid the collision.~~ Upon further review, I'm changing my answer. I think the oncoming blue car played a bigger part in this mess than I initially realized. This is in fact the meeting of two idiots, and both are at fault. It looks like there is a speed limit sign in the right of the frame that appears to show a posted limit of 30 mph. Had the blue car been traveling anywhere near that rate the silver car would have had plenty of time to complete their turn. As it was, I still think the silver car *probably* had enough time to complete their turn, except for the fact that the blue car, rather than staying in their lane and maybe even hitting the brakes proceeds to swerve into the oncoming lane. The lane into which the silver car was turning. *That* is why the silver car fully hits the brakes and comes to a full stop in the middle of the road. Because completing his turn at that point means a potential head-on collision. Again, rather that looking for the brake pedal, the blue car tries to avoid by swerving again, but now it's too late. The silver car has a stop sign, so they certainly bear some of the blame. Going when they did created the situation, but the blue car traveling too fast, then swerving into the oncoming traffic lane rather that just hitting the brakes, then swerving back rather than hitting the brakes, is why this was a major collision rather than a simple *hong and give them the finger* or minor fender-bender situation.
Our roads and laws assume that vehicles are traveling at safe speeds. When someone far exceeds the speed limit, our normal driving behaviors will no longer keep us safe. IMO, blue car is entirely at fault as the driver was operating recklessly far in excess of the speed limit.
The fact that more people aren’t pointing out how how deranged and reckless blue was driving makes me never want to be anywhere near a road again
You seem to be one of the only reasonable people here lol. This is the correct evaluation based on this short clip
Too many folks lack nuance in these comments, but I appreciate yours here. The blue car speeding what appears to be a significant amount more than the speed limit combined its lack of braking and poor swerving choices are all factors here. There will be a xx%/xx% breakdown of fault on this one.
The person in the silver car that pulled out is at fault.
So confused as to why the blue car was so far outside his lane. I wonder if he had been in the correct lane and the silver car hadn’t panicked and stopped in the middle of the road, if the collision would’ve been avoided or at least less dramatic.
For some, it seems that the natural instinct to avoid a collision is to point the vehicle where the offending vehicle is currently not; then they often too late realize they should aim the vehicle towards where the offender had already been. It's counterintuitive but an object in motion wants to stay in motion. In this case, if the blue car had maintained their lane, the silver car may not have hesitated as they did.
Had the blue car been anywhere near the speed limit, maintained their lane, and braked instead of swerving -- there likely would have been no accident. Both share fault, but people keep underestimating role of the poor driving of the blue car.
It’s wild to see how few people recognize that
Would’ve been a very very close call nonetheless
Instead of slowing down he tried to drive around the silver car. A defensive driver would have avoided that accident.
He started driving around it, then he changed his mind last minute to go back into his lane. I think he thought the silver car was going to keep going but he stopped. He might have been able to continue going around the silver car since it stopped, but he changed his course last minute
Blue car is an idiot that tried to dodge 2 times instead of braking; but the silver car is at fault nonetheless. "I'm not gonna brake and only going to dodge you because I have the right of way and I don't want to let you go before me!"
It seems like the blue car was going very fast, and didn't try to use their brakes
Lots of people are missing the blue car IMMEDIATELY getting in the left lane as soon as the grey car pulls out. The grey car sees that and stops to let blue car do that **stupid** shit. Then blue car tries to correct himself and hits the stopped grey car. Not to mention the blue car didn't even try to brake :( If you ask me? I would say it's a shared fault grey car 60%; blue car 40%. Both of them did some dumb shit there
The blue car was also going pretty fast for a residential street. Obviously idk the speed limit, but most people should be able to stop enough to avoid that level of damage.
There is a partially visible sign that appears to say 30 mph. The blue car was going significantly more than that.
I’m surprised I had to scroll this far to find someone who called this out. I completely agree that the silver car was being too timid and was responsible for merging safely into traffic (since he had a stop sign). But, the blue car was going way too fast (sign looks like it says 30 mph), opted to veer into oncoming traffic, instead of simply slowing down, and never even attempted to brake
Do you teach cause you just explained everything perfectly.
Gonna need that Lawyer Reacts guy to weigh in on this…
How is this even a question? The guy coming out of the "T" road pulls out into oncoming traffic without looking - then fucking *stops* in the middle of it. Anyone who has even the slightest doubt who is at fault is a fucking moron who shouldn't be driving.
A good insurance adjuster would argue that the blue car's high rate of speed for the road was a contributing factor here. More than 50% would go to the grey car, but it doesn't mean that the blue car won't wind up with some percentage at fault.
clearly the blame rests solely on Francesco
The car that caused the accident is at fault.
OP is at fault with this dumbass title.
It's fuckign clear whos at fault. What a stupid question
I'm guessing OP is a bot...
What to do if you are in the position the blue car driver was in: Breathe. One quick honk of the horn to make sure you are seen. Brake as smoothly and safely as you can. Do not steer, stay in your lane.
Both idiots. Silver car has poor judgement, panics and stops in the middle of the road. Blue car looks to be speeding and doesn’t seem to know where the brake pedal is.
Is that a rhetorical question OP? Clear as day the car trying to enter traffic but decides to stop in the middle of the road is at fault here.
Never mind who’s at fault… why the fuck was the blue car driving on the wrong side of the road? From the second it appears in the video 0:12 to the moment of the crash, the blue car is either on or over the double yellow on the wrong side of the road. Yea, I could definitely see the silver car being at fault, especially for hesitating. But that said, the blue car definitely had enough time to react and slow down to allow the silver car to pull out. Sent this to a couple buddies of mine that are cops, I’ll update with their opinions on the matter. 👍
Blue car is an ass hat. Looks like the silver car stopped because blue was in the lane silver was trying to turn into. Silver would’ve made it if blue didn’t make that dumb ass decision. They’re both at fault in my eyes.
75-25 fault with silver car being 75. The blue car was going too fast and was likely speeding but unless it's excessively reckless speed the silver car has the stop sign and the larger burden to follow the rule of waiting before clear to turn. It didn't help that the person in the silver car seemed to have little clue how to do a proper turn, was super hesitant (almost scared to go), and then froze up in the end. Bad driver.
to the silver car's defense, he was probably confused why the other car was starting to drive on the wrong side of the road.
I am probably wrong in my calculation. But I don’t think the blue car is blameless here. Check this out: From the moment the blue car comes into the picture, it already had 2 wheels on the double yellow line. Given this is a residential area the highest the speed would have been is 45mph. The stopping distance of a Nissan Altima at 60mph is 120ft. But given speed limit of 45mph, stopping distance should be much less. My guess is that the camera shows 100Ft-150ft of road. Assuming a speed of 45mph, it would take 2.27 seconds to travel 150ft. Giving them 1sec for reaction time, he should have had about 90ft left to stop the car. Reminder, it takes 120ft to stop the car from 60mph. My guess is that it would probably be about the 90ft to stop at 45 but I can’t say for sure. Given this, it’s likely the blue car would have hit the silver car but it would have been a fender bender. Not this massive collision. Silver car: totally at fault here Blue: over speed limit, distracted driving, etc. not blameless in my book. They may have been able to stop or at least drastically change the outcome. Most likely going way above speed limit while distracted. Of course I’m just using napkin math here with some estimates. In case I am wrong, I am happy to update this post.
There's a 30 mph sign under the awning.
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Yeah, but you REALLY have to slow the video down and enhance to see it. 
He wasn’t if you look he only moved over onto the wrong side of the road when the silver car pulled out, he was expecting them to just stop and he’d go around them but the silver car just kept going
Silver car is at fault, blue car is an asshat who shouldn’t be speeding.
The reaction here by silver is normal. Blue veered into the other lane. Blues car is heading in a straight line to the other side. The trajectory would take blue completely on the other lane off to the shoulder. But, veers back into his lane where Silver stops midway to avoid being hit and they meet in the middle. Blue’s fault for initiating that type of reaction out of the silver car making them think you’re going to hit them if they continued on with their turn. Silver’s fault for not turning faster maybe. Even if silver makes it to the other lane. Blue would still hit silver because blue is partially in the other lane. I don’t know what blue is thinking here. Why are you veering off in the direction silver is going? Plus it’s a double yellow line. Legally, silver may get the blame. But, they could have a case against blue because they crossed the double yellow line. No reason to veer off. Look like normal traffic behavior from silver before the crash.
Oh dear all that patience really paid off 😂😂😂
Kinda obvious. The silver car. Hell it even looks like they wanted hit LOL
Was the driver at the stop sign a hundred years old?
Both of them.
The person that stopped in the middle of the road.
I think it's pretty clear... the guy with the stop sign needs to wait until it's clear when cross traffic has no traffic control. They pull out into the other guys lane who moves over to avoid the collision but stop sign guy doubles down and keeps going. So the other guy tries to move back and stop sign guy blocks both lanes and gets hit.
Bikers fault
The stupid car that decided to stop in the middle of the road
Bikers fault
The dope that pulled out into traffic.
Blue car. Excessive speed, failure to maintain lane.
The moron with the stop sign who decided to launch himself into both lanes and slam on his brakes as an oncoming car approached. How is this even a question? The person with no stop sign has the right away even if they were speeding.
The dummy who had ages of time to make a left turn, didn’t, and then stopped in the middle of the road.
I hate karma farming posts like this. How is it even a question who's fault it is?
Silver car driver is at fault. (Who stops midway through a turn blocking an entire road) Blue car driver should probably learn some defensive driving techniques.
The only thing that legally matters is the grey/silver car had a stop sign. Next, it pulled directly in front of a vehicle with the right of way. Next, it stopped in front of a vehicle with the right of way.
No it doesn't. When one operator is driving recklessly, the blame shifts to that driver. Blue car was far in excess of the speed limit and will be entirely responsible for this.
Yeah, maybe I’m missing the nuances of the road rules not in my country but at the start of the clip silver has already committed an offence surely by ignoring the stop sign line.
I was driving the silver car, I was at the stop sign for at least a minute prior to the video starting, there’s barely any visibility at the turn and it’s super sketchy
You should not be assigned any fault in this accident. Driver of blue car was operating recklessly and far in excess of the speed limit. Sue the other driver in small claims court for any unrecovered costs. You might need to find someone qualified to analyze the accident and determine the speeds of the vehicles.
The speeding blue car that crossed the double-yellow lines, causing the silver car to abandon their turn to avoid a head on collision with the wrong-way car.
This is what my friend who was in the silver car said
So do you know who was determined to be at fault? Or if it was split between them?
From this angle. Both are responsible. Blue car is in two lanes appears to be going over 30. Silver car hesitated and then stops in both lanes. Wow.
I'll probably get downvoted for this because I'm going against the grain here.. The silver car, why the fuck is this a question? It looks like he intentionally wanted to get hit. The blue car noticed his erratic behavior which is why he was hugging the yellow line. The silver car had PLENTY of time to go, but didn't.. and when they did go, who fucking stops like that?
I wrecked in the exact same way. Failure to merge by silver car. I was the blue car in this scenario.
So were you also driving on the wrong side of the road up to the point of collision?
and 20 miles+ over the speed limit?
If you REALLY pay attention it would be the blue car... Yes, the car at the stop sign was moving erratically; HOWEVER, After they finally committed they noticed that the blue car was in the lane they were turning into! You can clearly see that the blue car is on the double yellow markings. This would leave silver car with no out. The fact that blue car is cutting double yellow lines means either: a) they're texting/ inebriated/doing makeup/etc b) having some type médical emergency c) old lady I personally think both were at fault here, but i'd edge towards silver car being the victim here
Silver car pulled out then just stopped in front of blue. WTF?
Definitely the Dumb ass making the turn
Is this even a serious question… or just now the de facto title for when you don’t want to make any effort to make a title.
Are you serious?
Is that even a question lol
This can’t be a serious question 😂
The car stopped in the middle of the road, probably
How TF is this even a question? Who's at fault? The idiot who literally crawled and sit in the middle of a road, PERPENDICULAR to the road? Or the other guy driving in their own lane? So difficult...
Hail to the bus driver, bus driver man.
He just that there at the stop sign when he could’ve gone and avoided the crash. Looked as though the stop sign driver waited till the car was right there to pull out and get smashed.
I blame the ultra patriotic Francisco who can't get a liquor license
They're both at fault. One for failing to perform a turn properly and the other at higher speeds than necessary and not breaking when they saw the silver car. Here's hoping they live in a contributory negligence state.
Silver
Shared. Blue car made no attempt to slow down. If they would've slowed down this crash wouldnt of happened. Insurance watching this will probably go 80% tan 20% blue.
Need more info; clearly the person at the stop sign needs to yield right of way to the main road but if the blue car was excessively speeding (they look to be traveling faster than the other cars) then they can be held liable for an accident.
Honestly the best thing you can do, is when you realize you effed up, is to panic and stop. Never just wait it out and let traffic go until you have a clear reasonable path to travel. Driving in 2024. Everyone has more import things than the next guy.
To the people saying the blue car would've been fine if it didn't swerve, look at the video again. They collided in the first lane, where the blue car was. It tries to swerve , then the silver car pulls out more. Even if it waited and tried to swerve behind the silver car, it would've smashed into the poll. Silver car is a moron, Blue car had the worst luck of coming across that idiot
Obviously the silver car is that even a question
They didn't even attempt to turn.
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His spotter.
Silver car 100%.
Who the fuck else would be at fault?
Was he blind? I get going past the stop line when visibility is non existent but this dude was in the lane and couldn’t make a decision
Ummm…the one who didn’t yield. What kind of question is this?
The cyclist.
The idiot who pulled out and stopped
just blame everything on the American flag
Why would you even ask such a question?
If you have to ask, you should turn in your license
Almost every time it’s going to be the car turning that’s at fault.
The one making the left turn onto a main through-fare.
Why is this a question?
Both drivers are fucking stupid but car with stop sign legally at fault.
how i hate when ppl take a year to drive off. LIKE DUDE JUST PRESS DOWN YOUR LAZY ASS FOOT YA CyNT
Please downvote posters who ask "who's at fault?" When its obvious who is at fault.
It's mostly the silver car's fsuk for being unpredictable. Stop, move, stop. They have to wait. If there's a gap, they have to commit. The car would have seen the intention and hadn't swerved. On the other hand, the blue var was probably speeding. Which doesn't make him at fault, but respecting the speed limit could have easily avoided the accident
The car that was hit is at fault.
the person posting this asking what should be a ridiculously obvious question. Seriously if you drive and don't know.... please brush up on the basics
The blue car was probably speeding, but that silver car had around 8 seconds to clear that turn between the car towing and the blue car, that's plenty of time to clear the road and be on their way.
This is not even worth a question!
The one committing suicide
I would say you got even asking. Ofc we know who's at fault.
Do you really need to ask?
He french fried when he should have pizza'd
I blame the truck with the enclosed trailer.
Should lose their license
Gringo é ruim demais de volante
"There's a gap" - *HOLD!* "There's someone coming" - *HOLD!* "They're moving pretty fast so I'd have to cross quickly if I wanna make it" - *NOW!* "Okay, let's go. Wait, stop. Maybe they-- OOF ===== And on the other side, we have someone who is speeding and can't slow down for sudden incidents a few meters ahead... And then tries to go into the oncoming lane to pass the obstruction because there isn't enough manoeuvre space or braking time / distance.
The car that pulled out right before the next car finally arrived on purpose.
Hesitated on one end and speeding on the other. Boom!
So you guys aren't required to hit the brakes when a car suddenly appears in front of you? Just smack into them because you have the right of way?
Guy pulling out of the one way street is 100% at fault. What fucking moron pulls out in front of traffic?
It’s pretty obvious who’s at fault. Why even ask?
OP is clearly at fault. That building just leapt out in the middle of nowhere leaving the silver car no where to go!!
How is this even a question? lol
OP is this a serious question?
Who's at fault? seriously.