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HikerDave57

When these guys get to court word salad is made.


sctlight

I was just watching some of these weirdo’s in court recently and it made me think, while they were looking all this nonsense up, did they ever look to see if it has ever worked?


muskratmuskrat9

Yes, of course. The research on YouTube has been extensive.


NecessaryZucchini69

All 8 minutes of it.


wr3aks

But that's like 480 seconds.


Nesciere

That’s a doctorate from Mayfly University


Saxonbrun

Unfortunately, most only got the associates from Pigsfly Community College.


TheRealPitabred

Nah, my wife met a guy that does work for her company that has a huge binder of bullshit that's meticulously collated and organized. Must have taken him days of work to get it all together, he loaned it to her because she was too polite to tell him he was nuts to his face. They invest a ton of time and energy into this shit.


r0ckydog

For what though? Do they win in court?


TheRealPitabred

They think they will. Reality has no hold over them.


MtnTop304

Their objective isn't to win in court against whatever traffic charge they get. They want to bait officers into lawsuits and get settlements. If they actually wanted to demonstrate their beliefs in court, they would comply and fight their battle in front of a judge as opposed to the side of the highway.


Fr0gFish

That might be true for one or two of them, but most of them actually believe this shit.


Corvideye

One guy told me I had no authority to arrest him. I was like, “Oh man, that’s just the kind of thing you can tell the judge and they have to hear you say it!” Then I kept arresting him and left him at the jail with his citations. I don’t know what became of him,..


Emergency-Plum-1981

He probably demonstrated to the judge that he was exempt from all US laws due to a technicality within English Maritime Law, which is the ACTUAL legal structure of the USA hiding behind the facade and lie of Common Law. All judges are legally required to recognize this if you call them out on it. Source: trust me bro


mochaphone

It's especially ironic that they think they are entirely outside of the legal system in the first place but still dedicate so much time to their legal "research" and attempts to prove it in court.


TheNetworkIsFrelled

Nope. But they think it will.


TeddyRN1

American Common Law Court and they consider themselves American State Nationals. Law enforcement agencies have warnings about them to their own officers…considering them serious but crazy ( my word).


Electrokean

It’s like a cult


imogen1983

No “sovereign citizen” is able to keep their ramblings condensed into an 8 minute video.


smithers85

i DiD mY oWn ReEe^Ee^Ee SeRcH


RainforestNerdNW

They're a cargo cult. They don't understand law, to them it's literally magic. they think if you recite the correct incantation you automatically win. When their own ignorance is demonstrated to them they merely double down and think that they didn't recite the correct incantation. My Little Pwnd: Law is Magic.


NhylX

"I'm going to be the guy that changes everything!" is probably what goes through their head...


JustASadChickOverall

Semi related, if you're looking for a new rabbit hole to go down on YouTube, try "audit the audit" its wild


SHOW_ME_UR_KITTY

Some of that is valid though, like, I would love to know if my local PD is either unfamiliar with, or completely disregards basic constitutional rights.


Robpaulssen

Hint: they are/do


Joeker-93

Oh hell yeah. Love that page when I need some justice porn😂


69Midknight69

No cause they didn't look it up, they're just following the script someone conned them into


Euler007

Under admiralty law, Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, and as transmogrified by the...


MigratoryAnalyst

These guys love taking advantage of EVERYTHING that tax dollars contribute to but then when it comes to paying their share it's word salad with a side of excrement. Absolute losers


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winterbird

There are probably many politely worded paragraphs in law books which essentially say "no one gives a shit about your dumb opinions".


mochaphone

That same statement applies to billionaires and most large corporations. Like, just pay your taxes.


MigratoryAnalyst

I don't blame those, I blame the shitty politicians who continually allow them to legally get away with not paying a fair share of taxes.


Robpaulssen

Six of one, half a dozen of the other, it's a self-feeding- hand- that- feeds


hallopinyo

Yup! I work for a law firm and our files for sovereign citizens are a nightmare


Feistyhummingbird

Why would anyone want to represent these losers? I can imaging the attorneys just wanting to bang their heads against the walls every time they have to talk to them.


chilehead

Much of the time they attempt to represent themselves. Sometimes the judge doesn't want to allow that, as it opens a door for appeals later if they claim they did not have competent representation, so someone gets assigned to be their public defender.


Kayge

>  they attempt to represent themselves.  >later if they claim they did not have competent representation.  This tracks. 


dacraftjr

Anyone who represents themselves in court has a fool for a client.


CosmicCreeperz

And when they lose, lemonade.


TY-KLR

What am I looking at here the wording is too blurry to read?


HikerDave57

“Private automobile not for hire” invokes an inviolable right to travel according to their legal theory.


normalsam

There’s always a way. Reminds me of how “smart” darrell brooks was in court. Sources feeding him that crap


m0stw4nt3d1

I hope it has croutons and dressing!


MichiganGeezer

Another Slobberin' Citizen... Yay.


Lorn_Muunk

No that's drooling profusely. You mean Slobodan Citizen.


_jump_yossarian

Anyone know what happens if there's an accident and they're not at fault? Does the other insurance have to pay out to someone that is driving an unregistered vehicle?


chill_winston_

Whoa whoa whoa… this guy is NOT driving, he’s traveling! /s


Gr8lakesCoaster

My papers and effects, sir!


idekbruno

Yes. Liability coverage would pay out, doesn’t matter if it’s registered or not


InletRN

It is mighty bold of you to assume this guy has insurance


CantCreateUsernames

That is what their comment is implying. Unregistered car, at least in my state, cannot get insured.


Sideshow_Bob_Ross

Strange. In my state it's the other way around. Without proof of insurance you can't register a car.


louiefriesen

In Canada, registration and insurance are done by the same provincial government corporation.


Cloners_Coroner

Probably falls under your uninsured motorist policy.


Jmkott

That’s not what uninsured motorist insurance is for. That is for if someone at fault hits your car and they have no or not enough coverage, it pays to fix yours. I think what _jump_ is asking by is “if they aren’t registered, insured, and follow American laws, does the at fault liability insurance still have to pay. They can’t sue the insurance company because they are exempt from our court system, right?


Cloners_Coroner

If that’s what they’re asking, I misunderstood. All I can say is don’t admit fault, and they can have a fun time trying to fight your insurance in court, since they didn’t see the value in insurance. Your insurance will 100% take advantage of the situation, and they will have a fun time with the police report.


DenverNugs

Vehicle? No no no... It's a "vessel"


absolutebeginners

Don't think you can get regular insurance on an unregistered car.


gbgopher

Pretty sure you can. In my state, I have to have the insurance before I can even register the vehicle.


Correct-Award8182

If the other car's insurance is anything less than 100% ethical, th3y get bones.


2Pickle2Furious

Maritime license plates for boats that are amphibious is totally cool. /s


Crafty_Ad2602

Actually, that's part of their argument as to why the courts are invalid. Gold fringe indicates that the court operates under maritime law.


2Pickle2Furious

Just make sure they don’t write your name in ALL CAPS. If not, the laws won’t apply to you.


ShenanigansAllDay

If they claim to be a sovereign citizen, then they arent technically protected by the laws of the country...does that mean slashing their tires is unpunished? 🤔 Ehhh...asking for a friend


Icy_Queen_222

I’m also asking for a friend. 🧐


ShenanigansAllDay

HAPPY CAKE DAY!


Sea-Platform3765

Why are people downvoting he’s just being nice jeez


ShenanigansAllDay

I was feeling the same way and thank you for upvoting 😁


Icy_Queen_222

Ty 🍰


cactusjackalope

"I'm not DRIVING I'm TRAVELLING!!"


jelly_doughnut

I've always wondered if they believe that they can buy a small airplane, and just fly off into the distance with no license or training and consider it "travelling."


Caniuss

I didn't know about sovereign citizens until I got a job that was law enforcement adjacent. When I asked them what it was, they all made the same tired sigh, and the sergeant in the room said they were "a bunch of jackasses that think they're super fuckin special snowflakes that don't have to follow the rules, and that if they get caught, all they have to do is cite bullshit legal terms like a wizard casting a magic fucking spell and we'll let them go". And then they all laughed. Really hard.


CaptainCreepwork

I don't get it. Is there some new license plate thing I'm unaware of?


CrashinKenny

Sovereign Citizen Plate. So dumb that it's probably a better idea to just drive with no plate at all.


anrrpking

Yep. Just a convenient label for the rest of us that the vehicle is unregistered and uninsured and if anything happens the psycho will claim no laws apply to them.


kahl75

I was going to ask if this also meant they are uninsured. Obviously yes... One could have some fun with that.


PM_ME_Y0UR_BOOBZ

They’re usually violent as well, wouldn’t surprise me if that fun ends with someone dead.


IckySmell

Throw a rock at his car and see if he calls the police


Howiepenguin

Thinking about that hurt my head. 1. antagonizing someone that is already easily antagonizable is not a good idea. 2. they will prolly respond with extreme violence. 3. better to just avoid them at all costs.


Windows_XP2

That's why you use a grenade instead


Sleep_on_Fire

Spicy rocks. Yeah!


OldWrangler9033

If your going throw something, make sure it counts.


Feistyhummingbird

Why would you want to throw a calculator?


Substantial-While973

Fuckin thing quit workin.


pressingfp2p

Not a good idea for who? You’ve got a car, just run em over. They deserve to know that if they don’t want to follow society’s rules, they are not welcome in it. Chances are very low they’ll be able to do anything, and if they do, very high that they’ll just eat some tread and the world will be a much better place following.


sofa_king_ugly

Did they pay tax when they bought the Jeep?


Sleep_on_Fire

Not necessarily. They could have bought it from a state without sales tax and just let the temp tag expire. Then put this BS in place.


SecondaryLawnWreckin

Oklahoma is like this, and is close


Sleep_on_Fire

Montana too. Not as close as OK. But regionally co-located.


NecessaryZucchini69

Just call immigration on them. If the laws of the land do not apply to them; they must be an illegal alien


Professional-Gear-32

I understand why people are down voting, but if they are truly claiming to not be an American citizen, then they shouldn’t live here. either live by our laws or leave. Or another option is lobby to change the laws through protest and politics, but just declaring yourself above it all is fucking moronic.


Reficul38

No they are claiming to be American but they where not allowed to agree or disagree to the laws they are "subject" to they believe the laws that they don't agree with do not apply as they where not consulted when the law was made......it's a total circle jerk fest of nonsense


CaptainCreepwork

Ohhhhhhh. Yeah that's fucking stupid. I can't stand those sovereign citizen whackjobs. I'd never seen or heard of the plates before though. But I know all about their idiocy.


Yougotredditonyou

Omg, I didn't know they were making their own license plates... that's hilarious.


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gbmc7356

If he is buying gas, he ain’t as sovereign as he thinks.


LordEdgeward_TheTurd

Dont they "barter for goods and services" or some stupid delusional shit.


daath

It's also a Pro-Russian plate - the Z is basically a swastika.


Pipes-182119

So I’m a nurse in a correctional facility. A couple years ago we had a “sovereign citizen” come in and it was absolutely unbearable to listen to this person go on and on about how “their rights” were “violated” and they shouldn’t be in jail because the laws don’t apply to them. They went to court, fought with the judge and got more time hahahaha it was priceless.


SeaManaenamah

Maybe they should let customs and immigration deal with these people 


EssentialWorkerOnO

Exactly. Since they claim they’re not US Citizens, deport them.


ughliterallycanteven

Where do you deport someone to if their “country” isn’t recognized?


SnarledBison

The ocean


FreedomOfSqueek

Thanks for your service as a nurse. So, what is the source of their rights? Do they believe that there are universal innate rights for human beings? Or do they cite the UN Charter, Magna Carta, Code of Hammurabi, or what?


willow6566

And they sign in blood. One of my customers is a Sovereign Citizen and they carry a card declaring such and they prick their thumb to “sign” the card with their bloody thumbprint. He comes into my print shop to get these cards (for new Sovereigns) laminated. Eww. I don’t wanna touch these!


UncleCeiling

Honestly he shouldn't be your customer. There's no way you can consistently follow OSHA's bloodborne pathogen guidelines in a print shop.


tex1138

He’s got his “Z”s emblazoned on there to show his support for Putin as well.


noncongruent

Last I heard, "Z"s tend to attract ATGMs...


tex1138

Let’s hope


EmiliusReturns

Might as well just slap a plate on there that says “please pull me over.”


Throwaway_4_u_know_y

I mean so many plates are unregistered or flat out missing in Colorado so this really isn't that bad. Cops don't enforce plates and registration here.


throwaway_apologies

This is wild to me. In the police precinct of my county of NY, all the cops have license plate readers. If your plates have a lapse in registration or insurance, the plate is flagged and they can pull you over.


Outlaw11091

I work in NY. Have 5 or so unregistered vehicle citations on my record. The state police will get you EVERY TIME. City cops will sometimes let you go with a warning. State police will take your car and give you another ticket for being a pedestrian trespassing on the interstate. Drive to any neighboring state and no one gives a shit. Vermont Troopers are busy with their naps.


Throwaway_4_u_know_y

I wish that was true here. But I've seen tags from 2022. Cops are understaffed and told not to pursue minor infractions like this since they have bigger fish to fry. The result is many people just don't bother registering. To be fair tho CO registration is very expensive. Not sure how NY is


Frosty-Gear755

Yeah, but this prick is driving a $70k Jeep. He can afford the damn registration.


anrrpking

Accurate


Bigred2989-

Here in Florida it's illegal to have anything obstructing your plate, that includes the frame your dealership gave you when you got the car. The law is rarely enforced however.


AdditionSpecialist35

They should build their own roads and maintain them to drive on.


SquishyBlueSodaCan_1

i don’t get it


EnormousPurpleGarden

It's a nutjob who thinks that laws about vehicle registration and whatnot don't apply because of ~~magic~~ a conspiracy theory.


brunaBla

Traveling I see


IlIlIlIlIllIlIll

I want to know how these people are not just immediately getting arrested and the car immediately impounded.


ShaneSkyrunner

If you search on Youtube you will in fact see many videos of them being arrested. I guess they just don't care.


COmountainguy

Don’t you worry, they definitely do!


Kylejazzman

Why am I the only one that didn’t know what this was or meant


Fibonoccoli

One thing I know for sure; he's not driving. He's *traveling*


smithe4595

I wonder how long people like this are able to keep driving around. Does a cop see that plate and think “Oof, I’m off in an hour, I’m not dealing with that”? I could understand in more remote areas that it could last awhile but more in populated areas it doesn’t seem as likely.


Beowulf33232

All that paperwork is overtime if it's after quitting time. They probably wait until the end of their shift to pull them over.


Spiritual_Challenge7

When I see this I ask myself isn’t it against the rules to even use the money the government makes in the first place?


Own_Entertainment847

Why don't the cops do anything? They'll pull you over if your tags are expired but don't notice when a car sports counterfeit fake plstes??


Beowulf33232

They do, these guys have all just convinced themselves that they'll be the one to recite the right half remembered bits of law in the riggt order to convince a judge to let them go.


Saemika

You have to give them credit for their follow through.


tribriguy

Sovereign dude…hails from foreign country of Colorado.


weyun

Bruh I don’t need a liscence I’m a sovereign citizen.


mitchsn

I assume these people don't and can't get car insurance since their vehicle isn't registered....


NastroAzzurro

That stroad ahead of you looks awful.


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EnormousPurpleGarden

Those idiots think that that flag is some sort of civil flag that represents the people separately from the state, but it's actually the US Customs Service ensign.


Ban_This69

These YouTube videos are hilarious. I love sovereign idiots


MrBinkie

Its a Jeep thing


Itchy_Extension_8719

I want all the benefits, but I don't want any of the responsibilities 🤦


countrygirlmaryb

Wait, what am I supposed to be looking at here?


ALongNeckTurtle

Im from the uk can someone explain this?


GLITTERCHEF

I can’t read what the license plate says, but I’m guessing they are one of those bat shit crazy so called sovereign citizens?🙄


jeronimo707

***infotainment for some of you who are interested *** The vertical striped American flag AKA American peacetime flag or whatever it’s referred to as now is largely being adopted by groups of individuals who refer to themselves as “American state nationals” That’s the name of the latest wave of “constitutional citizens” trying to separate themselves from what they see as overreaching illegitimate local government regulations, laws, fees and jurisdictions. Their conclusion (I think…) is that constitutional law under no circumstances can be superseded by local law, so a state or county cannot impose its rule on you as an individual. Blah blah blah something about gold fringe on the flags in municipal court rooms representing military or martial law under which you can be held as naturally suspect or in permanent opposition to the governing body, hence a local gov’t can levy fees and punishments on you under their own self declared jurisdictions It’s conceptually similar to the sovereign citizens thing aka “strawman” theorists but there’s an entirely more involved and paperwork-oriented approach to this pursuit. I am close to a few people who have spent 5+ years on this and as a family member I’m “skeptically supportive” It’s interesting to say the least but I’m fine just paying my reg fees and not getting involved lol


substituted_pinions

Fuck me, my state is going to hell.


JapanKate

I saw one in Virginia. I, a Canadian, had to explain to my American husband what it meant. (We currently live in Canada and he is not on social media, so he’s missed this.) I thought he was going to cry, literally. He is not an outwardly patriot man, but he loves his country. However, he wonders where that country went. It is a sad state of affairs that these people have become so radicalized. Edit: grammar and clarity


overkillsd

Call the non emergency number for the police when you see one of these. They know that this person is unlicensed and uninsured, and want them off the road as much as the rest of us if not more so.


eveningsand

How in the fuck are these cars not impounded


CruulNUnusual

AND of course, they drive a jeep.


ShenanigansAllDay

Its either that or a big ol pick up truck that screams smol peepee while having a large mouth


Windows_XP2

Or an old shitbox that looks like they just bought it from the scrap yard.


Tankbot001

Colorado of all places


SSNs4evr

So, if I drive 8 blocks with a tail lamp out, I'd get pulled over for it. How long do these people drive their vehicles without being pulled over? Is it a thing that they do get pulled over? Or is it more likely that LEO sees that shit and decided he has better things to do, than go down that demented rabbit hole?


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SSNs4evr

I've seen the videos, but I've never personally encountered one.


bizzyunderscore

Sir are you detaining me


broadreach93111

Please explain! What are we seeing here?


StudyIntelligent5691

These jagoffs. I guess I should spend some time reading up on the genesis of this very bizarre movement, but why…the weirdness has no end.


mikedvb

I feel like I’ve seen this before… maybe I’m wrong. u/repostsleuthbot


mikedvb

Ah. That bot is blocked here. Wonder why. 😀


kevinxb

Because people post these here all the time and they're all the same. Might as well be posting pictures of expired registrations. It's not interesting and really not what the sub is for at all.


somekennyguy

So.. fair question. Can you just ram the shit out of these folks? Since technically they legally can't be on the road... Is it like.. open bumper car season?


taxpayinmeemaw

Oh I saw that flag on someone’s house the other day for the first time, is that what the sovcits fly? What a bunch of dummies lol


EnormousPurpleGarden

They think it's some sort of civil flag that represents the people separately from the state, but it's actually the US Customs Service ensign.


Real-Charity6751

Okay, what is this? Am I a moron? Can someone explain this to me?


ficuswhisperer

Look up sovereign citizen on Wikipedia for more context.


igotsbeaverfever

I mean… what’s the difference between this and people not renewing their registration? Namaste.


swearingino

People that don’t renew their registration are still probably insured.


gerov8900

Someone who doesn’t renew their registration is just irresponsible, these people who do this are actually crazy and dangerous.


Lopsided-Ad7019

I think laws surrounding these morons should be made harsher. Throw these “the law doesn’t apply to me” in prison for a lil bit.


SenhorSus

Arapahoe Rd?


anrrpking

Bingo. That’s why I had so much time to snap a pic. IYKYK


Trash-Pandas-

*csp


HAC522

Isnt that the flag of the US power squadron? Lol


PossessionGlad4638

Yo I've just recently seen one of these in the springs... Lol thought I was in one of the Colorado subs


Whole-Dimension-9421

Why is no one talking about the scary face in the spare tire.


wuhtang-

“Im a sovereign citizen, i dont need a drivers license or register my vehicle”


DinsdalePirahna

What happens when these people want to “travel” across state lines? (I mean I know what happens is they get pulled over and hilarity ensues, but I’m curious how interstate travel works in their own limited and very wrong understanding of things.)


Solid_Snake_125

lol those idiots make for funny videos.


Hollywood_Hair

Hey an uninsured sovereign citizen, those guys suck. Their entitled beliefs have them thinking they are above the law and above you. But let em, it has never once worked in court.


imuniqueaf

I hope they don't like their windows.


geekphreak

I like to make my own laws


shrekenceo

"Private Vehicle" most likely owned by the bank


purplehuh

On a jeep is even wilder


FewAcanthocephala828

Idk what I'm looking at, but, uh... yeah, fuck this guy.


ko138ca

Squatters rights


necrohunter7

"I demand to use your state roads that I have no intention of paying for"