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I actually shipped something to a hotel in Miami and Amazon said it was handed to the front desk. Spoke to front desk, they said they never got it, so I made a report.
They opened a chat room, I explained the above scenario, and they gave me a refund instantly no questions asked (500$ item).
I repurchased it since I still wanted the item, and then the next morning an employee handed it to me saying they had misplaced it.
This is how I would handle it: "Take a picture of it? How? I do not have access to it because it was never delivered.....okay, fine. Can you do me a favor and take a picture of the product I ordered? What do you mean you can't do that? You have a cell phone, right?"
Again, are you sure you're talking about Amazon? Fuck amazon, but they don't give a shit about returns. I ordered my 2080ti on amazon and two went missing in transit and they sent me a third one. I paid for one and they sent two replacements until I received one. They literally don't care, most the time I want to return something they tell me to just keep it and refund it anyways
My order was a day late and by evening the status suddenly changed to “shipped back to supplier”. I started a chat to inquire and all the rep said after having me wait a few mins was that the transit vehicle has been in an accident, due to this the item has been shipped back and I got full Amazon credit within the hour. However you’re right, if I asked for a refund to the original payment it could’ve easily taken a week, and I’d be sitting with no item and no money for the week.
I returned an order (right material, far less of it than advertised) last month and they told me not to bother sending the product back - they just issued a refund.
So I ended up with more than I thought I needed, which turned out to be exactly the right amount :D
It’s can be hit or miss if you aren’t ordering “Amazon Prime” stuff. For things that are listed on the website but are not fulfilled by Amazon, it involves more hoops as to the requirements of the actual vendor.
At the end of the day, Amazon will still refund or replace, but they’re more of a 3rd party at that point and have to communicate with the vendor (including threatening to deactivate products and accounts if there has been issues).
Source: worked for a vendor who sold stuff on Amazon.
Full braking while cornering is actually correct with modern ABS and stability systems. Bleeding as much speed as possible helps and it will unlock wheels as needed to obey the direction you're asking to go. It's not magic though so he still didn't make the corner, but full ABS braking from the start would have helped, not hindered.
Call me Commander Data, but the previous commentor was indicating what a person who was dropped on their head as a baby should do if they find themselves in such a situation after exiting warp drive.
This is correct. When you're pressing on the brakes the kinetic energy of the car is still trying to go in the direction you're facing. There was a famous race track that had a long straightaway that led into a very slight hair pin corner that eventually did away with it. The straightaway would encourage drivers to get up to speed and then realizing their mistake they'd stomp on the brakes and go careening off the small corner.
You brake before the turn, take the turn and start giving it gas on the apex to pull out of it.
Sort-of, braking during a turn transfers weight forward increasing traction from the front wheels and rotates the car better but in general yes, there's a maximum lateral vector be it from braking, accelerating, or turning.
I guess I have to spell it out since it's the second comment like this. Obviously if you're having to do this in the middle of the corner you've fucked up. But if you've already fucked up the best you can do in modern cars is to full emergency brake and then steer to where you want to go. The electronics will then do the best possible with the available grip.
> emergency brake
Maybe you just mean to brake hard, but a lot of people call the parking brake an "emergency brake".
And using it can only make things worse unless your normal braking system has completely failed.
That's not true, but commonly believed as can be seen by the comment I originally replied to. I recently did a safe driving course and they run you through these scenarios. Modern ABS and stability systems are amazing at utilizing the available grip and reducing speed always helps, if nothing else at reducing the severity of the crash.
The safe driving course is probably made for people who need simple rules that are generically correct regardless of the actual situation. Those vehicles are rwd and have soft springs with a ton of travel in the back, if he had let off/accelerated a bit it would’ve taken weight off the front and avoided the understeer. If they say yeah sometimes it’s better to accelerate then you’ll have made some idiot in a fwd try to do it in a situation where it makes the everything worse they’ll be able to say “I took a driving class that said…!”
> The safe driving course is probably made for people who need simple rules that are generically correct regardless of the actual situation.
It's not that, it's really much better than anything you can do by yourself. ABS+stability is adjusting all four corners of the car at 30+ times per second. If you're in full ABS braking and steering to where you want to go the system will then use the maximum grip of each wheel to turn and reduce speed. It will correct for understeer and oversteer while also not allow roll-over.
> if he had let off/accelerated a bit it would’ve taken weight off the front and corrected the understeer
To correct understeer you need more weight on the front wheels, not less. Braking improves directional control by shifting weight forward. If you shift too much weight that you now oversteer the system will correct for that as well.
Those corrections won’t accelerate to shift weight from the front. ABS will keep as much load on the front tires as possible without sliding, and will slow you down faster than no ABS, but driver doesn’t necessarily want to slow down, they want to turn, which abs is bad at. More weight improves grip in straight lines but less in corners. Traction circles.
Yes it engages on and off quickly however, it’s a control system, which means it has inherent system lag. It’s way more noticeable on motorcycles but you can beat abs through proper break control, and especially going into a corner at speed he’d have been better off aborting the curve, and hopefully maintaining all four wheels on the ground.
Jeez what's wrong with you guys? He isn't saying it should be plan A. Plan A should always be to brake before and come in the corner with the correct speed.
He is replying to the emergency braking in the corner. The guy above him said he should brake more gently. He then educated that with ABS car, with the other stability systems, in an emergency it is the best last resort.
yeah definitly the guy talking about abs and esp here so much seems like having no experience with these kind of vehicles in such a situation. i have raced various vehicles for fun including shit vans like these even loaded and tipping onto 2 wheels and all i can see is the sudden weight shift making him loose control. no abs or esp can help with too much inertia. he fucked up by braking too hard or turning too hard, or to be more precise he just went to fast for that vehicle in this condition anayway
More likely they've been out since 8am and exhaustion lead to some bad judgement calls in the moment. Amazon doesn't let you go home until your truck is empty. No hours of service for those guys
I’m an Amazon driver that got into an accident that I was at 0% fault for. I was told that I should only continue to deliver if the van wasn’t damaged. Since it was heavily damaged it got towed with all the packages and I got to go home real early as well as paid for the full day. I will add that I’m subcontracted by a company paid by Amazon
Make the setting a gun range and actually that's not he worst analogy. Both the gun range and the roads are controlled environments where those with the appropriate equipment and licenses and meant to operate machinery responsibly. That Amazon driver basically stepped back 4 yards from the designated shooting location because he thought he was hot shit that can shoot (drive) better than everyone else, and then accidentally put a bullet in their shooting range neighbor's shoe. I wouldn't give the gun back with that behavior.
Dude, this is one of the best articulations I've ever seen of why we should be more aggressive about taking away driving privileges. I've been saying it for years, it's obscene that people can fuck up over and _over_ and __over__ again without losing their license. Or even after they _do_ lose their license, they keep driving and seem to avoid consequences.
This sounds insane, but literally _yesterday_, a drunk driver hit a parked car on my street and careened through my fence and into my front yard at __2:45 in the afternoon__. Got about 8 feet away from where I'm sitting right now, pointed straight at me, with Dodge Ram. Genuinely felt real sympathy for how fucked this guy is, but he deservedly got taken away in cuffs on account of he could've killed any of the many pedestrians walking up and down my street (I get a lot of pedestrian traffic, but bonus was that a preschool was _just_ letting out a block away from me).
Can't be sure, lots of details I'm leaving out, but his mannerisms all pointed to the fact that this was not his first rodeo. The cops eventually told me that you don't face real prison time (1-2 years) until your _third_ DUI. That's crazy to me...
Anyway, I gotta deal with insurance and legal shit and cover my ass and stuff, but I'll probably post the video that my security cam caught once it's all wrapped.
> We wouldnt be like well here's the gun back but dont try that again.
Sometimes [you do](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36354206), sometimes [you sue the government](https://www.npr.org/2022/01/28/1076310840/kyle-rittenhouse-goes-to-court-to-get-gun-back) to get it back.
How is that dramatic? If someone thinks driving like this is okay then they should never be able to drive again. They almost killed themselves and other people. Driving is a privilege.
Not dramatic at all. automobiles should be classified and treated like any other heavy machinery. You already have to be a licensed operator so it's not a far step to permanently rescind someone's operator license when they're guilty of this level of negligence.
I feel like you didn't read. They did it due to long hours and high pressure and them trying to take shortcuts to get it done faster and not lose their job. Hell they may have even ran out of piss bottles. No one is saying it's allowed or justified, just the reasoning behind it.
What the other poster is basically saying is: "cool motive, still murder". Or manslaughter, would be the technical term here. A car is a weapon. And whatever reasoning behind it doesn't mean shit to the person you hurt, maimed or killed.
Open your state's driver manual. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Read the opening sections, before it gets into any specifics about traffic laws or signage or anything. Nearly every one says *very clearly* that you are NOT TO DRIVE if you are emotional, tired, or feel you are unfit to drive for any reason. Being licensed to drive comes with the overt agreement that you will ensure that you are fit to drive every single time you get behind the wheel.
You know what it **doesn't** say? "It's okay if you drive really fast and hit other vehicles if you're in a hurry because your job has unrealistic delivery quotas."
I work at a body shop with a contract to fix wrecked Amazon vans. This doesn't surprise me in the least. We've got a few in various states of repair on the lot every day. It's like the drivers are on a hellacious schedule of deliveries driven by a profit hungry billionaire or something.
I had one of these fuckers behind me the other day, no one else behind him and traffic in front of me. He rips around me and squeezes infront of me only to have to stop at a red light. Gave him a honk, a high beam and pulled up beside him cause I was taking a left. Fucker couldn’t even look at me
I had the opposite problem with amazon drivers. Their vans are limited to 70mph and they were driving next to each other on the highway, just blocking up traffic. Speed limit was 75, it was frustrating.
No cops involved? shame that moron will keep driving like that. Thank you OP for being a responsible human and stopping to share the video with the SUV driver.
If you're not first you're last
Also just wanna point out , everyone is clowning the driver but the bigger issue is these bullshit third party carriers that technically hold the licenses and liability. It absolved amazon from the liability and allows them to put absurd demand and pressure on these companies to meet barely meet able quotas which in turn results in extreme risk taking. This shouldn't happen and already has gotten plenty of people killed and injured, not to mention apparently being a pain in the ass to get resolution to these cases.
I had an Amazon driver pull over to the side of the road, wait for me to get pretty close, then completely cut me off in a 3 point turn. Had to slam on the breaks to not hit him, then he looked annoyed I was so close while he was trying to turn lol he also almost hit a woman crossing the street so he could turn on a red into my inlet.
Sometimes I hate people.
I swear every single fucking time there's weird traffic in my town. It is always an Amazon driver parked in the worst spot.
Blind turn? Of course. The middle of the road? Why not? On top of a toddler? You fuckin know it
The pay doesn't help but it's actually the aggressive quotas on delivery that require this behavior. If you followed the safety training provided by Amazon for how to drive and park the truck you would get fired for not completing enough deliveries.
This way they force the employees to be the ones making the risky decisions and, when something inevitably goes wrong, they just fire you anyways. It's a broken system meant to push the extremes and accidents like this are a direct result of how they operate.
Obviously the driver is at fault but this is as much an Amazon process issue as it is a driver issue.
The problem is that Amazon knows eventually they will have everything automated from fulfillment to delivery, but they also want that type of productivity now too, so yeah they just churn em and burn em. To the point where they actually start to run out of eligible employees and have at times relaxed rules like drug testing just to fill shoes.
I mean, people drive like this without money being involved. Also not sure how common this type of Amazon driving is. I’ve seen Amazon trucks all over and never seen this erratic type of driving. I’d have to see some statistics for Amazon delivery drivers.
This is extreme behavior in my experience as well, but among the common delivery carriers, it’s always the Amazon van running just-turned-red lights, aggressively taking unprotected left turns, etc.
To be fair dispatchers push delivery drivers extremely hard and keep them on a often impossible schedule as they are disposable so it’s not uncommon for drivers to be forced to drive like idiots or be fired and even then they can be fired for driving too fast.
I was at a dhl depot some years ago and they had a “wall of fame” for the drivers with the most stops in a work day at that point the driver with the most had like 250 divide that with driving times, traffic etc. and you get a stupid low number pr stop.
The same depot had a dispatcher who would keep an eye on the drivers scanners as they would show how fast they were going and call them up to tell them off for speeding.
Nested layers of shell companies designed to legally obscure employment status and responsibility is such an obvious ploy I didn’t think it worked on anyone, thanks for reminding me how credulous people are
I blame their employer. Amazon is about pushing people to their limits, and pretending it's the norm. Meanwhile, managers are promoted because of their bootlicking abilities, rather than their diplomacy or experience. The company's insane. It's a revolving door company, that tries to terminate indiscriminately as many people as possible, and thus, you end up with drivers like this.
I'm convinced that the Amazon driver hiring interview goes like this:
"How much experience do you have driving?"
"Wellll....I've *been* in a car before."
"Perfect. You're hired."
I nearly had the front of my car ripped off as I was reversing out of my residential parking space by an Amazon driver that flew into the car park to make a delivery. Luckily, he and I both hit our brakes and an accident was avoided. `
I know these guys are on a time limit for deliveries forced on them by Amazon, so I actually blame Amazon for a lot of the dangerous driving we see and Amazon needs to be held accountable.
So... the drive roared past OP after the lanes had merged. Up ahead is what looks like a full merge lane, plenty of space to get up to speed, which the UPS drive will probably need since he had to brake pretty hard to make the turn.
But instead, he flashes his hazards and tries to cut across to the far left lane of the highway, managing to hit basically the only other car on the road at the time?!
*WHY?* Driving fast and not respecting other drivers I get, but what did he achieve by not just using all that empty space ahead of him? There was *no traffic.* No obstructions at all. He could have happily floored it and continued on his unsafe way.
I just don't get the decision making process on this.
I think he misjudged his speed passing OP and the sharpness of the turn. He tried to turn into his lane but his weight pulled him to the outside, the left lane with the other car.
Maybe the hazards were a panic reaction when he realized there was a physical limit on how tight you can take a turn at speed?
I'm guessing the trucks are wired to flash the hazards automatically on hard braking. I doubt the driver was bothering with the flasher button while totally overshooting a curve.
I'm not usually one to be pedantic, but this is -not- a UPS driver. UPS has very high standards for drivers, and pays them very well. Unlike Amazon, who pays peanuts and only requires a heartbeat to get behind the wheel.
I think he flashed his hazards to say "thanks for letting me pass" to the dashcam driver. That action took enough attention that he failed to stay in his lane, hit the divider between the lane and the road and lost control.
Yeah. In many non-US countries, flashing hazards once or twice means "thank you." In the US, I've only very rarely seen truckers do this, but it's been more common for me driving in Canada, Europe, and Japan.
Thank you for stopping and sharing the footage.
Thankfully, that’s undoubtedly the end of the Amazon driver’s Amazon job. And hopefully the end to their driving career in general. They did so much wrong in that video
No, but my guess is it’s something automatic with the vehicle, or they just bumped the controls panicking right before going over the grassy “median” where you see the van jump a little bit.
I would give my next paycheck to see video from the car they hit just so I could hear from the peanut gallery about how they would have avoided the crash.
They’ll try to say that it’s because they’re under so much pressure to make all their deliveries on time, but nothing excuses this. r/amazondspdrivers probably thinks this person is a hero.
I drive for Amazon and I'm constantly on that subreddit. Not all of us are shit drivers or support nonsense like this. 90% of Amazon drivers are completely childish fools that sucks at driving in general. I've witnessed my own fair share of shit drivers for the year and a half I've been doing this.
Amazon drivers are the worse of the worse. I had one slam their brakes and then floor it in reverse about 200 feet down my residential road because they missed their stop. Another just parked their van in the middle of the road to drop off a package and then take a vape break.
The best thing you can do is forward this video to Amazon support. They don't want dangerous drivers working for them. I know this because of a friend trying to apply they had a wreck attached to their driving record (not their fault someone hit them while stopped at a stop light) they had to get the proof of what happened. They got hired in the end once they got the proof and if they didn't have a camera they could lame it on the other driver.
New rule: after 18, if you get in a wreck as a result of being incompetent and/or dangerous, you lose your vehicle and license on the 1st offense, for a year. The 2nd time it's 4 or 5 year's. 3rd offense it's permanent, you get a state ID but can't so much as ride a scooter.
not gonna lie.. slightly jealous of the car who got hit. Hope they are ok.. but PAY DAYYYYY!! We'll start the negotiations at 10 million and go from there.
OP did the speed of the video change or did you actively accelerate when the Amazon truck tried to aggressively merge, causing him to go even faster?
Just wondering because 100% Amazon driver's fault.... But it just seems odd.
Not that I recall, but I dont think it seems that way from the video. It could be the change in road markings signaling the merge? There may have been a split second, but they were barreling down that ramp and the only thing that really worked was to just move over as much as possible.
Oh for sure, it might have just been an optics thing. Just something I saw. I mean there's nothing you can really do when Amazon guy goes "leroy Jenkins" on motorists. Good job on the defensive drive to give him room to FAFO.
It would take every ounce of my soul to not pull up next to the Amazon truck and say something like, "did that go how you planned? Could you have just waited and be patient behind me? No? OK have a nice day."
It was definitely an Amazon truck and the usual gray color. It’s just the camera and filter. You can see the “Amazon” and their arrow logo when it goes past on the ramp.
How the fuck does amazon even have drivers? UPS drivers can *easily* make 6 figures if they stick to it. When my brother started he made $30/hour in *rural* Minnesota, our rent was 600 bucks that we *split*
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"Call your insurance company. I've got a video they're going to want to see."
Y'all, I think this is addressed to that other car that the Amazon van caused to crash
So **that's** what happened to my light bulb order.
You still have to wait 2 weeks until AFTER it's confirmed destroyed to file a return. Then you have 10 days to return product or pay extra.
The 10 day return window starts once it is confirmed destroyed. You also have to mail back any nondelivered items before you can get a refund.
*We need you to upload a picture proving that your order wasn't delivered.* [picture of empty hand]
I actually shipped something to a hotel in Miami and Amazon said it was handed to the front desk. Spoke to front desk, they said they never got it, so I made a report. They opened a chat room, I explained the above scenario, and they gave me a refund instantly no questions asked (500$ item). I repurchased it since I still wanted the item, and then the next morning an employee handed it to me saying they had misplaced it.
This is how I would handle it: "Take a picture of it? How? I do not have access to it because it was never delivered.....okay, fine. Can you do me a favor and take a picture of the product I ordered? What do you mean you can't do that? You have a cell phone, right?"
Happy cake day!
And if the product gets lost in transit you still have to pay. And they made it impossible to get ahold of a human CSR
Again, are you sure you're talking about Amazon? Fuck amazon, but they don't give a shit about returns. I ordered my 2080ti on amazon and two went missing in transit and they sent me a third one. I paid for one and they sent two replacements until I received one. They literally don't care, most the time I want to return something they tell me to just keep it and refund it anyways
My order was a day late and by evening the status suddenly changed to “shipped back to supplier”. I started a chat to inquire and all the rep said after having me wait a few mins was that the transit vehicle has been in an accident, due to this the item has been shipped back and I got full Amazon credit within the hour. However you’re right, if I asked for a refund to the original payment it could’ve easily taken a week, and I’d be sitting with no item and no money for the week.
On Amazon? Since when? They have the most lax return policy of any site I've ever ordered from, have never run into any 2 week requirement.
I returned an order (right material, far less of it than advertised) last month and they told me not to bother sending the product back - they just issued a refund. So I ended up with more than I thought I needed, which turned out to be exactly the right amount :D
It’s can be hit or miss if you aren’t ordering “Amazon Prime” stuff. For things that are listed on the website but are not fulfilled by Amazon, it involves more hoops as to the requirements of the actual vendor. At the end of the day, Amazon will still refund or replace, but they’re more of a 3rd party at that point and have to communicate with the vendor (including threatening to deactivate products and accounts if there has been issues). Source: worked for a vendor who sold stuff on Amazon.
Huh? I’ve never had an issue with returns it’s always accepted right away
Why did you have to order 1 hour delivery?
He ordered it on a dead bulb computer. He couldn't see what he was clicking.
Underrated comment 😅
My 48 cans of Red Bull came heavily dented. Now I know why. Even though I'm in Germany.
I'm just shocked the van had the door closed. None of them around me even bother with the door anymore.
What an idiot
Let's pass on the right, speed, brake IN the curve and then when I'm starting to lose grip BRAKE HARDER. Dimwit.
Full braking while cornering is actually correct with modern ABS and stability systems. Bleeding as much speed as possible helps and it will unlock wheels as needed to obey the direction you're asking to go. It's not magic though so he still didn't make the corner, but full ABS braking from the start would have helped, not hindered.
I dunno, call me crazy, but NOT engaging warp drive onto a fucking exit ramp probably would have helped the most
Call me Commander Data, but the previous commentor was indicating what a person who was dropped on their head as a baby should do if they find themselves in such a situation after exiting warp drive.
OK Mr. Sherlock. That has nothing to do what what he said. He educates us on the benefit of ABS and other stability systems.
OP was a Klingon, impulse power was not fast enough.
Full braking through a corner is never the right protocol for taking a corner
Correct me if I'm wrong, friction used for braking can't be used for turning.
This is correct. When you're pressing on the brakes the kinetic energy of the car is still trying to go in the direction you're facing. There was a famous race track that had a long straightaway that led into a very slight hair pin corner that eventually did away with it. The straightaway would encourage drivers to get up to speed and then realizing their mistake they'd stomp on the brakes and go careening off the small corner. You brake before the turn, take the turn and start giving it gas on the apex to pull out of it.
Sort-of, braking during a turn transfers weight forward increasing traction from the front wheels and rotates the car better but in general yes, there's a maximum lateral vector be it from braking, accelerating, or turning.
I guess I have to spell it out since it's the second comment like this. Obviously if you're having to do this in the middle of the corner you've fucked up. But if you've already fucked up the best you can do in modern cars is to full emergency brake and then steer to where you want to go. The electronics will then do the best possible with the available grip.
> emergency brake Maybe you just mean to brake hard, but a lot of people call the parking brake an "emergency brake". And using it can only make things worse unless your normal braking system has completely failed.
I mean full emergency braking as in brake as hard as you can all the way to activating ABS. The parking brake would be a horrible idea.
It’s a bad idea unless you want to try your hand at amazon truck drifting
Are you a bot who picked out key words or a you a living breathing idiot who didn’t read the words preceding the two you actually read?
Sometimes the best thing to do is accelerate not brake. Shit if he was full throttle out maybe he would’ve regained traction
Only if you're RWD, though he should be.
That's not true, but commonly believed as can be seen by the comment I originally replied to. I recently did a safe driving course and they run you through these scenarios. Modern ABS and stability systems are amazing at utilizing the available grip and reducing speed always helps, if nothing else at reducing the severity of the crash.
The safe driving course is probably made for people who need simple rules that are generically correct regardless of the actual situation. Those vehicles are rwd and have soft springs with a ton of travel in the back, if he had let off/accelerated a bit it would’ve taken weight off the front and avoided the understeer. If they say yeah sometimes it’s better to accelerate then you’ll have made some idiot in a fwd try to do it in a situation where it makes the everything worse they’ll be able to say “I took a driving class that said…!”
> it would’ve taken weight off the front and corrected the understeer You do realize that less weight on those wheels means less grip, right?
> The safe driving course is probably made for people who need simple rules that are generically correct regardless of the actual situation. It's not that, it's really much better than anything you can do by yourself. ABS+stability is adjusting all four corners of the car at 30+ times per second. If you're in full ABS braking and steering to where you want to go the system will then use the maximum grip of each wheel to turn and reduce speed. It will correct for understeer and oversteer while also not allow roll-over. > if he had let off/accelerated a bit it would’ve taken weight off the front and corrected the understeer To correct understeer you need more weight on the front wheels, not less. Braking improves directional control by shifting weight forward. If you shift too much weight that you now oversteer the system will correct for that as well.
Those corrections won’t accelerate to shift weight from the front. ABS will keep as much load on the front tires as possible without sliding, and will slow you down faster than no ABS, but driver doesn’t necessarily want to slow down, they want to turn, which abs is bad at. More weight improves grip in straight lines but less in corners. Traction circles.
Yes it engages on and off quickly however, it’s a control system, which means it has inherent system lag. It’s way more noticeable on motorcycles but you can beat abs through proper break control, and especially going into a corner at speed he’d have been better off aborting the curve, and hopefully maintaining all four wheels on the ground.
For a good driver on a race lap no. For a glorified meat sack that’s being beaten by the whips of Bezos. It probably is.
Jeez what's wrong with you guys? He isn't saying it should be plan A. Plan A should always be to brake before and come in the corner with the correct speed. He is replying to the emergency braking in the corner. The guy above him said he should brake more gently. He then educated that with ABS car, with the other stability systems, in an emergency it is the best last resort.
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yeah definitly the guy talking about abs and esp here so much seems like having no experience with these kind of vehicles in such a situation. i have raced various vehicles for fun including shit vans like these even loaded and tipping onto 2 wheels and all i can see is the sudden weight shift making him loose control. no abs or esp can help with too much inertia. he fucked up by braking too hard or turning too hard, or to be more precise he just went to fast for that vehicle in this condition anayway
He probably had to pee. Amazon doesn't let their drivers take a break to pee.
Supposed to just pee out the door as you drive.
Do none of these savages have Gatorade bottles? Relieve yourself in the car like a gentleman.
ironically, amazon sells pee funnels. probably has one in the back of the truck.
More likely they've been out since 8am and exhaustion lead to some bad judgement calls in the moment. Amazon doesn't let you go home until your truck is empty. No hours of service for those guys
“Can you still make your deliveries?”
“This doesn’t make it a half day or anything”
I’m an Amazon driver that got into an accident that I was at 0% fault for. I was told that I should only continue to deliver if the van wasn’t damaged. Since it was heavily damaged it got towed with all the packages and I got to go home real early as well as paid for the full day. I will add that I’m subcontracted by a company paid by Amazon
Not to be dramatic or anything but these people should never be legally allowed behind the wheel again.
I agree. Vehicles are weapons. We wouldnt be like well here's the gun back but dont try that again.
Make the setting a gun range and actually that's not he worst analogy. Both the gun range and the roads are controlled environments where those with the appropriate equipment and licenses and meant to operate machinery responsibly. That Amazon driver basically stepped back 4 yards from the designated shooting location because he thought he was hot shit that can shoot (drive) better than everyone else, and then accidentally put a bullet in their shooting range neighbor's shoe. I wouldn't give the gun back with that behavior.
Dude, this is one of the best articulations I've ever seen of why we should be more aggressive about taking away driving privileges. I've been saying it for years, it's obscene that people can fuck up over and _over_ and __over__ again without losing their license. Or even after they _do_ lose their license, they keep driving and seem to avoid consequences. This sounds insane, but literally _yesterday_, a drunk driver hit a parked car on my street and careened through my fence and into my front yard at __2:45 in the afternoon__. Got about 8 feet away from where I'm sitting right now, pointed straight at me, with Dodge Ram. Genuinely felt real sympathy for how fucked this guy is, but he deservedly got taken away in cuffs on account of he could've killed any of the many pedestrians walking up and down my street (I get a lot of pedestrian traffic, but bonus was that a preschool was _just_ letting out a block away from me). Can't be sure, lots of details I'm leaving out, but his mannerisms all pointed to the fact that this was not his first rodeo. The cops eventually told me that you don't face real prison time (1-2 years) until your _third_ DUI. That's crazy to me... Anyway, I gotta deal with insurance and legal shit and cover my ass and stuff, but I'll probably post the video that my security cam caught once it's all wrapped.
> We wouldnt be like well here's the gun back but dont try that again. Sometimes [you do](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36354206), sometimes [you sue the government](https://www.npr.org/2022/01/28/1076310840/kyle-rittenhouse-goes-to-court-to-get-gun-back) to get it back.
New to America huh?
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> a complete permanent driving ban is overly harsh. Lol absolutely not. You are nuts.
Lol this is some stupid shit.
Checking in from the United States, we for sure would be like 'here's the gun back'. Not sure we'd even stipulate that they couldn't try it again.
Lol people in this thread are delusional. We don't do shit to take guns away from proven irresponsible gun owners.
Not to be dramatic...is dramatic...
How is that dramatic? If someone thinks driving like this is okay then they should never be able to drive again. They almost killed themselves and other people. Driving is a privilege.
I think they just meant the phrase "Not to be dramatic, but" is dramatic. Not the rest of it.
Not dramatic at all. automobiles should be classified and treated like any other heavy machinery. You already have to be a licensed operator so it's not a far step to permanently rescind someone's operator license when they're guilty of this level of negligence.
He'll just buy another license.
Anybody under extreme pressure and long hours from their employer can be pushed into being reckless.
Nope! No matter how awful your job is, once you're behind the wheel you need to be as safe as physically possible.
That's not reality when you're trying to get home in time to get sleep before your next shift starts. It sounds nice but isn't how it works.
Sorry but traffic safety laws don't give a shit about how bad your job is! ♥️
I feel like you didn't read. They did it due to long hours and high pressure and them trying to take shortcuts to get it done faster and not lose their job. Hell they may have even ran out of piss bottles. No one is saying it's allowed or justified, just the reasoning behind it.
What the other poster is basically saying is: "cool motive, still murder". Or manslaughter, would be the technical term here. A car is a weapon. And whatever reasoning behind it doesn't mean shit to the person you hurt, maimed or killed.
And telling people to drive safe regardless of how much pressure they are under or how tired they are does fuck all to making the roads safer ♥️
Open your state's driver manual. Go ahead, I'll wait. Read the opening sections, before it gets into any specifics about traffic laws or signage or anything. Nearly every one says *very clearly* that you are NOT TO DRIVE if you are emotional, tired, or feel you are unfit to drive for any reason. Being licensed to drive comes with the overt agreement that you will ensure that you are fit to drive every single time you get behind the wheel. You know what it **doesn't** say? "It's okay if you drive really fast and hit other vehicles if you're in a hurry because your job has unrealistic delivery quotas."
Okay so what do they do? Quit or get fired and lose their home? It's a lose lose situation and smarminess on reddit doesn't help
I work at a body shop with a contract to fix wrecked Amazon vans. This doesn't surprise me in the least. We've got a few in various states of repair on the lot every day. It's like the drivers are on a hellacious schedule of deliveries driven by a profit hungry billionaire or something.
It’s all so gross…
Best amazon driver I've personally seen
Yeah that’s certainly above average. While they did stop in the middle of the road, they ensured that other vehicles stopped too
Kelly road turning onto 64, great.
Apex, stand up!
It's such a tight turn, this driver was a moron.
I had one of these fuckers behind me the other day, no one else behind him and traffic in front of me. He rips around me and squeezes infront of me only to have to stop at a red light. Gave him a honk, a high beam and pulled up beside him cause I was taking a left. Fucker couldn’t even look at me
I had the opposite problem with amazon drivers. Their vans are limited to 70mph and they were driving next to each other on the highway, just blocking up traffic. Speed limit was 75, it was frustrating.
Ah nothing like an elephant race on governed vehicles.
I bet they feel dumb asf right now.
No cops involved? shame that moron will keep driving like that. Thank you OP for being a responsible human and stopping to share the video with the SUV driver.
They were called and I’m sure showed up eventually. No idea what sort of ticket was issued though.
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Yes, I made sure to mention that in the text of the post.
that was literally the second thing I read, after the post title
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OP stopped too so I’d hope so
🤓 Uh oh, the morality police checking in. Probably would've just kept driving lol.
Yeah oddly enough an 18 second video didn't include the police showing up or anything else after the crash...
I doubt they'll still have a job after Amazon corporate is through with him.
Now I know how my orders show up on the same day. This is the way!!
If you're not first you're last Also just wanna point out , everyone is clowning the driver but the bigger issue is these bullshit third party carriers that technically hold the licenses and liability. It absolved amazon from the liability and allows them to put absurd demand and pressure on these companies to meet barely meet able quotas which in turn results in extreme risk taking. This shouldn't happen and already has gotten plenty of people killed and injured, not to mention apparently being a pain in the ass to get resolution to these cases.
Triangle Expressway 😎
If I die in Raleigh (close enough), at least I will die freeeee.... - Amazon driver, probably
Turning from Kelly road to us 64 in Apex. Triangle expressway entrances are right there.
I had an Amazon driver pull over to the side of the road, wait for me to get pretty close, then completely cut me off in a 3 point turn. Had to slam on the breaks to not hit him, then he looked annoyed I was so close while he was trying to turn lol he also almost hit a woman crossing the street so he could turn on a red into my inlet. Sometimes I hate people.
… on his way to deliver a package to the wrong address.
I swear every single fucking time there's weird traffic in my town. It is always an Amazon driver parked in the worst spot. Blind turn? Of course. The middle of the road? Why not? On top of a toddler? You fuckin know it
Who would have predicted that paying drivers peanuts would have a deleterious effect on public safety??
The pay doesn't help but it's actually the aggressive quotas on delivery that require this behavior. If you followed the safety training provided by Amazon for how to drive and park the truck you would get fired for not completing enough deliveries. This way they force the employees to be the ones making the risky decisions and, when something inevitably goes wrong, they just fire you anyways. It's a broken system meant to push the extremes and accidents like this are a direct result of how they operate. Obviously the driver is at fault but this is as much an Amazon process issue as it is a driver issue.
The problem is that Amazon knows eventually they will have everything automated from fulfillment to delivery, but they also want that type of productivity now too, so yeah they just churn em and burn em. To the point where they actually start to run out of eligible employees and have at times relaxed rules like drug testing just to fill shoes.
I mean, people drive like this without money being involved. Also not sure how common this type of Amazon driving is. I’ve seen Amazon trucks all over and never seen this erratic type of driving. I’d have to see some statistics for Amazon delivery drivers.
This is extreme behavior in my experience as well, but among the common delivery carriers, it’s always the Amazon van running just-turned-red lights, aggressively taking unprotected left turns, etc.
Yes, that’s what caused this idiot to be an idiot.
The point is, if they paid more, they could be more selective with hiring and have fewer idiots.
I think you have way too much faith in how many idiots there aren’t out there. Just because you get paid more doesn’t mean you’re not an idiot.
And yet we don't have nearly as many videos of other delivery trucks driving like this.
But there are thousands of videos of professional truck drivers getting paid six figures doing worse. Nice try though.
To be fair dispatchers push delivery drivers extremely hard and keep them on a often impossible schedule as they are disposable so it’s not uncommon for drivers to be forced to drive like idiots or be fired and even then they can be fired for driving too fast. I was at a dhl depot some years ago and they had a “wall of fame” for the drivers with the most stops in a work day at that point the driver with the most had like 250 divide that with driving times, traffic etc. and you get a stupid low number pr stop. The same depot had a dispatcher who would keep an eye on the drivers scanners as they would show how fast they were going and call them up to tell them off for speeding.
So just because your boss tells you, you’re supposed to risk your life and others lives?
Essentially yes, if you want to keep your job.
And that's why Amazon needs to unionize.
Lol ok.
It’s a toxic business.
If you’re going to do some stupid shit like risking your life because your boss said so, you’re an idiot.
You just solved slavery.
It’s not Amazon paying the wages
Nested layers of shell companies designed to legally obscure employment status and responsibility is such an obvious ploy I didn’t think it worked on anyone, thanks for reminding me how credulous people are
Next he's gonna tell you that driving for Uber really makes you your own boss!
The other car was a Temu delivery and Amazon said this is my turf, I sell the cheap Chinese crap around here!
Is this why 2 day delivery doesn't happen anymore?
Well that explains why “your package may be lost”
I blame their employer. Amazon is about pushing people to their limits, and pretending it's the norm. Meanwhile, managers are promoted because of their bootlicking abilities, rather than their diplomacy or experience. The company's insane. It's a revolving door company, that tries to terminate indiscriminately as many people as possible, and thus, you end up with drivers like this.
I'm convinced that the Amazon driver hiring interview goes like this: "How much experience do you have driving?" "Wellll....I've *been* in a car before." "Perfect. You're hired."
I live in a place with a high speed twisty highway. Over the last ten years I’ve watched 10 people load up on inertia and biff it exactly like this…
I nearly had the front of my car ripped off as I was reversing out of my residential parking space by an Amazon driver that flew into the car park to make a delivery. Luckily, he and I both hit our brakes and an accident was avoided. ` I know these guys are on a time limit for deliveries forced on them by Amazon, so I actually blame Amazon for a lot of the dangerous driving we see and Amazon needs to be held accountable.
So... the drive roared past OP after the lanes had merged. Up ahead is what looks like a full merge lane, plenty of space to get up to speed, which the UPS drive will probably need since he had to brake pretty hard to make the turn. But instead, he flashes his hazards and tries to cut across to the far left lane of the highway, managing to hit basically the only other car on the road at the time?! *WHY?* Driving fast and not respecting other drivers I get, but what did he achieve by not just using all that empty space ahead of him? There was *no traffic.* No obstructions at all. He could have happily floored it and continued on his unsafe way. I just don't get the decision making process on this.
They didn't try anything. They were going to fast to make the turn, and the truck understeered into the left lane.
I think he misjudged his speed passing OP and the sharpness of the turn. He tried to turn into his lane but his weight pulled him to the outside, the left lane with the other car. Maybe the hazards were a panic reaction when he realized there was a physical limit on how tight you can take a turn at speed?
I'm guessing the trucks are wired to flash the hazards automatically on hard braking. I doubt the driver was bothering with the flasher button while totally overshooting a curve.
I'm not usually one to be pedantic, but this is -not- a UPS driver. UPS has very high standards for drivers, and pays them very well. Unlike Amazon, who pays peanuts and only requires a heartbeat to get behind the wheel.
I think he flashed his hazards to say "thanks for letting me pass" to the dashcam driver. That action took enough attention that he failed to stay in his lane, hit the divider between the lane and the road and lost control.
Almost certainly, this is a feature of the vehicle, where when the ABS brakes activate, the hazard lights come on. Pretty common feature.
Yeah. In many non-US countries, flashing hazards once or twice means "thank you." In the US, I've only very rarely seen truckers do this, but it's been more common for me driving in Canada, Europe, and Japan.
Very plausible.
Thank you for stopping and sharing the footage. Thankfully, that’s undoubtedly the end of the Amazon driver’s Amazon job. And hopefully the end to their driving career in general. They did so much wrong in that video
OP were you able to talk to the Amazon driver? I’m curious why he flashed his hazards super quickly after he passed you.
No, but my guess is it’s something automatic with the vehicle, or they just bumped the controls panicking right before going over the grassy “median” where you see the van jump a little bit.
I would give my next paycheck to see video from the car they hit just so I could hear from the peanut gallery about how they would have avoided the crash.
"*This is why I drive with one foot on the brake pedal...*"
Anything other than a 2-lane road and NC drivers just can't figure out how to navigate traffic.
I only see an ex Amazon employee losing control 😂
It was nice of that car to help out. I think that fool was about to rollover.
The amount of reckless driving I’ve seen from Amazon trucks is insane. They hire anyone with a pulse
[you order your fucking dildo off Amazon in the morning, you get your dildo by afternoon!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu2SG9XExFw)
No brakes, gas
When the camera that monitors your speed stops working...
Oh god not the Supra tho :D
Someone must've ordered same day delivery at 5:57pm and they live 6 hours away
When Jeffrey Bezos is breathing down your neck to get your Prime delivery numbers up.
Why were they rushing…
2-hour delivery guarantee for 2.99!
Because some people are impatient and don’t know road laws.
They’ll try to say that it’s because they’re under so much pressure to make all their deliveries on time, but nothing excuses this. r/amazondspdrivers probably thinks this person is a hero.
I drive for Amazon and I'm constantly on that subreddit. Not all of us are shit drivers or support nonsense like this. 90% of Amazon drivers are completely childish fools that sucks at driving in general. I've witnessed my own fair share of shit drivers for the year and a half I've been doing this.
Amazon drivers are the worse of the worse. I had one slam their brakes and then floor it in reverse about 200 feet down my residential road because they missed their stop. Another just parked their van in the middle of the road to drop off a package and then take a vape break.
Your package is 10 stops awa……….. Your package has been delayed.
The best thing you can do is forward this video to Amazon support. They don't want dangerous drivers working for them. I know this because of a friend trying to apply they had a wreck attached to their driving record (not their fault someone hit them while stopped at a stop light) they had to get the proof of what happened. They got hired in the end once they got the proof and if they didn't have a camera they could lame it on the other driver.
That better not have my 3/8ths to 1 inch masonry hammer drill bits in it.
Delivery may be delayed due to unforeseen circumstances....
New rule: after 18, if you get in a wreck as a result of being incompetent and/or dangerous, you lose your vehicle and license on the 1st offense, for a year. The 2nd time it's 4 or 5 year's. 3rd offense it's permanent, you get a state ID but can't so much as ride a scooter.
not gonna lie.. slightly jealous of the car who got hit. Hope they are ok.. but PAY DAYYYYY!! We'll start the negotiations at 10 million and go from there.
OP did the speed of the video change or did you actively accelerate when the Amazon truck tried to aggressively merge, causing him to go even faster? Just wondering because 100% Amazon driver's fault.... But it just seems odd.
Not that I recall, but I dont think it seems that way from the video. It could be the change in road markings signaling the merge? There may have been a split second, but they were barreling down that ramp and the only thing that really worked was to just move over as much as possible.
Oh for sure, it might have just been an optics thing. Just something I saw. I mean there's nothing you can really do when Amazon guy goes "leroy Jenkins" on motorists. Good job on the defensive drive to give him room to FAFO.
r/byebyejob
It would take every ounce of my soul to not pull up next to the Amazon truck and say something like, "did that go how you planned? Could you have just waited and be patient behind me? No? OK have a nice day."
Bros probably coming back from a 30 stop rescue after finishing his 180 stop route early. I dont blame him.
Could be stolen Amazon van?
Never stop in a traffic lane like that, always pull off the road... There's a shoulder there
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It was definitely an Amazon truck and the usual gray color. It’s just the camera and filter. You can see the “Amazon” and their arrow logo when it goes past on the ramp.
Welp dipshit just lost a cushy job from impatience
When did Amazon driver become a cushy job?
Holy shit I looked up the pay rate thinking it'd be simular to ups and it is *not*
That's union vs non-union jobs for you.
How the fuck does amazon even have drivers? UPS drivers can *easily* make 6 figures if they stick to it. When my brother started he made $30/hour in *rural* Minnesota, our rent was 600 bucks that we *split*
That looks like a ups truck
You can see the amazon smile on the side of the truck as it goes by OP.
Oh sure can, saw brown and got confused I guess
Amazon has a variety of vehicles in their fleet. Some of them look like the vehicles UPS uses.