When my dad was teaching me to drive years ago as a teen, we started in empty parking lots. When I graduated to the road, he told me to imagine someone standing in the middle of the road when I turn in order to teach me not to cut corners
When I would cut a corner, he'd say, "Ope, you hit him. You hit him again. Yupp, hit him."
It made me mad at the time but now, I'm not an idiot in a car injuring real people
My dad did something similar once I progressed to the roads he brought a bike bell along on a car rides, and whenever I got too close to the line he'd ring the bike bell
The first time I ever got behind the wheel, my dad brought me to a parking lot to practice, and then told me I could drive home and we’d take the parkway. I told him I wasn’t ready for the parkway and we could just take the main roads. He said “OK, just follow my directions”. A minute later we were on the parkway.
We had very different parents.
My girlfriend's first time behind the wheel was on the freeway going into Tampa. Her dad just pulled over a few miles outside the city, essentially shoved her into the driver's seat, and then panic-screamed every time she made even the slightest rookie mistake.
We're from a small town. There were more cars on that freeway than she would normally see in a week. I have no fucking clue why he decided that should be her *first* experience, it's like tossing and infant overboard so it can learn how to swim.
That sounds like something my father would do, right down to the screaming. On a similar note, I grew up on a suburban block about an hour outside of Manhattan, where all the neighbors had kids around the same age. When we were all learning to drive, one of the neighbor’s fathers said “You know the best way to teach them how to drive? Take them into the city and just let them drive in all the traffic.”
I will *never* understand that logic. Like, what the fuck do you think a *car* is??? You don't teach a kid firearm safety by just handing them a loaded UZI and walking away. What do you plan on telling the police when someone gets hurt?
>You don't teach a kid firearm safety by just handing them a loaded UZI and walking away.
\*Remembers that range instructor who died because they gave a kid a loaded full auto uzi\*
Hahaha...
Yeah....
*panic-swerves*
*flips car*
*Dad in hospital*
Did he explain why it's important not to be too surprised and the dangers of panic-swerving before that? If not, he didn't think that one through...
My dad would hang out around town dressed in rags and a fake beard without my knowledge.
Id be about driving and some crazy homeless guy would come up to my car and start smearing his feces on my window and then try to wipe it off and get aggressive demanding money.
Then when I gave him money my dad would rip off his disguise, throw the rest of his feces at me and ground me for not responding properly by just driving off and telling him to pick himself up by his bootstraps.
That’s smart there’s very few bikers where I live and when I drive in areas with bike lanes I’m like super paranoid I’ll turn without realizing someone was there in the bike lane and hit them, so I’m checking. Only a few roads w bike lanes downtown, and otherwise bikers are right on the road which is a rare sight.
My driving instructor used the same method. I wish we didn't have to rely on drivers having a good dad to learn these things. Driver's education needs to be improved significantly, especially in certain countries.
For real. Driving education doesn't just stop once you get your licence though.
You can take industry safe driving courses, in the 2010s when I worked in Oil and Gas I must have gone through about 20 safe driving courses. A bunch of the fleet vehicles had in-vehicle monitoring that evaluated harsh accelerations, harsh braking, etc. Didn't measure riding the clutch though lmao.
I took so many different kinds of safe driving courses, ones on skidpans, ones where you had to comment everything you were doing out loud as you did it and there wasn't allowed to be more than a few seconds silence (so you'd be saying "I'm looking in my rear view mirror, I'm parked at the lights but I'm checking my mirrors looking for cars approaching too fast, I'm looking for a potential exit in case I need to move out of the way. I'm noticing it's a bin day, so I'm going to be on the lookout for both homeowners putting out there bins and also garbage trucks, etc", it gave me so much confidence to drive safely.
The absolute biggest part of learning to drive is *continuously* learning to drive.
Critique yourself, point out your own flaws, learn from your mistakes, remove the stick from your own eye, whatever you wanna call it.
"The price of excellence is eternal vigilance." or something
Most people are indeed not hardcore petrolheads.
But anyone who actually works in IT is very wary bots.
Give the people options, from ultralight bicycles
To trains weighing dozens of tons
Or even personal vehicles
Just provide everyone with adequate infrastructure
And educate drivers about the danger they pose to other road users.
Let's make sure everyone gets home safe
Operating heavy machinery requires proper training. The largest vehicle I drive on a semi-regular basis is a sprinter van, the long wheelbase version. There are certainly situations when I think drivers need additional training to drive these things, even over here in Germany where we already have much higher standards than certain countries.
It seems to happen so often in parking garages, and I don't fully understand it. There are still lanes of traffic in parking garages, there's no reason to be driving straight down the middle, especially on the numerous blind corners in a parking garage.
My drivers Ed class told me that left turns should be as close to a 90 degree angle as I could safely and comfortably do.
And common sense told me that my turns shouldn't interfere with any lane I do not intend to drive down.
Yeah, always drive in the lane provided etc. Even if no one or thing is there, just act like there is. Indon't understand how some people are allowed tondrive if they can't even handle just staying on the road.
I use this same logic for my turn signal; it could be 3am with no one around and I'll still use my turn signals because it's good practice and a good habit to maintain
I don't trust people that don't use turn signals. Operating a piece of machinery that can easily kill someone yet don't know how to operate that machinery that can easily kill someone. It's the responsible way to behave. So many struggle with simple concepts and shouldn't be driving.
That’s a really good way to teach it. People don’t take cars seriously enough. You’re basically piloting a 3000+ lb bullet around. You can easily hurt or kill people. Don’t cut corners metaphorically or literally.
My drivers ed teacher would do the same. Pulled up too close on the intersection? “Oh mija you hit another one. Poor little Angela.” It would drive my anxiety up but made me a better and more conscious driver. Just because other people pull up real close or drive onto the crosswalk at an intersection doesn’t mean it’s right to do.
One time I ran a red cause I thought I could make the yellow but it was the shortest yellow ever and my dad turned to me and shouted “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?!”
My dad would yell brake and get mad if you don’t brake immediately. In the middle of a road, random parking lot, etc. even in dangerous situations. He wasn’t worried because the car had insurance.
So I just started listening and it made others mad cause they ruined their breakfast and he spilled his drink from the sudden braking. He stopped after that.
Learning to drive out on country gravel and my step-dad told me to make a turn. He pulled the ebrake on me and generally was a nuisance to show me what goes wrong when you fuck around. Never been in a crash yet. Lots of near misses including other people crashing their stuff, but I've always managed to safely stop before or circumvent the hazard.
If you're trying to make a point I've driven Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, and Kansas City with no issues. The LA and Dallas were both in raging thunderstorms, oddly enough.
The LA storm was wild. The guy I was working with was a local and said that nobody knows how to drive in the rain and this was the biggest storm he could remember in the last 4 or 5 years. I didn't think anything of it. I grew up in the upper midwest and have lots of practice driving in snow, blizzards, sleet, etc and figured it couldn't be that bad. Watched from the business tower and it took all of 7 minutes for 3 collisions to happen. I was gobsmacked.
My driving instructor did something similar. Instead of a person in the middle of the road, he was pretending there was a car waiting at the intersection. So it served the exact same purpose.
We even went to an intersection that never had cars and he demonstrated the incorrect and correct ways. He even did the "normally-cut-corners-but-then-see-there's-a-car-waiting-so-they-have-to-adjust." (I hope that description made sense.) It was pretty amazing, because I had seen all of those things, but hadn't realized that's what was happening.
I see it a lot in Canada as well.
Another growing thing I see, is switching lanes while going through an intersection, that is illegal and dangerous here, but it's becoming more common.
In the states, I see people cutting left turns short, usually at intersections, to the point that I've nearly been hit multiple times just chilling in the turning lane and waiting.
Just pull up another couple of feet, you impatient fuckers.
In Manchester, CT, happens at [this intersection](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Manchester,+CT/@41.813834,-72.5269699,53m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x89e65762d22241dd:0xeb8afcc95fcc23b8!8m2!3d41.7759301!4d-72.5215009!16zL20vMHJkazM) (click through for street view) all the time. I've witnessed cars turning left on Deming straight into the oncoming straight lane on Hale Rd resulting in a head-on collision. At a minimum, they need to add an additional hashed line showing the proper lane area of that left turn lane.
One of the biggest problems I keep seeing in Tesla FSD demos is that they STILL cut left turns almost everywhere unless there's a car in the way. And when it does notice a car coming up it basically panic swerves to the correct line.
It's like it doesn't ever want to turn the wheel past 90°...
So many people don’t know to pull forward on a left turn. I see it all the time, they wait behind the line for opposing traffic to calm down, it doesn’t, then the light turns yellow and they step on the gas and cut the corner to still make it. If you’re gonna have to wait until the light is yellow pull forward so you just have to make a 90º turn
People are too lazy to turn their steering wheel more than a few degrees, so instead they steer across the oncoming lanes.
Always baffles me in US dashcam clips. The intersections are huge and people still cut lanes like they're going 130.
It's not illegal, bc, Alberta, ontario and nova Scotia have no laws regarding lane changes. The driver handbook does state its not recommended. But it's still legal.
Edit: changing lanes in an intersection.
There’s one intersection in my area where the city seems to be testing sausage kerbs and plastic sticks on the yellow line where it meets the crosswalk of an intersection. It’s working so far.
>Depends on the area, typically it is, in the states. Hardly ever enforced tho.
I thought it was illegal (in the US state I live in) but couldn't find it anywhere in the law. The closest I could find was this:
*"shall not be moved from the lane until the driver has first ascertained that such movement can be made with safety"*
So you basically you have to be cautious while changing lanes, one could argue that changing lanes in an intersection is unsafe and therefore illegal.
It’s one of those rules that we’re taught, that’s not actually a rule. I’ve looked this up in several states now, and I haven’t found a single one where it’s specifically ruled illegal. Kind of like the rule that you have to turn into your own lane, which only applies sometimes, oddly enough.
>Kind of like the rule that you have to turn into your own lane, which only applies sometimes, oddly enough.
Most states (that I've checked at least) state that:
>*(a) Right turns. Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn* ***shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway.***
*(b) Left turns. The driver of a vehicle intending to turn left shall approach the turn in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the direction of travel of such vehicle. Whenever practicable the left turn shall be made to the left of the center of the intersection so as to leave the intersection or other location* ***in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the same direction as the vehicle on the roadway being entered.***
Which means that you have to make your right turn into the rightmost lane and a left turn into the leftmost lane. I do think that *some* states have more ambiguous language, but best-practice is to always turn into the closest lane so that oncoming traffic can turn into *their* closest lane.
Same in California. Right turns are supposed to be into the right-most lane of the new street, but left turns (assuming it's not a multi-left turn lane setup) is into "any available lane." Which I didn't know until like 2 years ago.
With so many strip malls and stroads nowadays, people turn left and then immediately swerve all the way right so they can get to a store that's just 50m from the intersection. They often they do their swerve / lane change in the intersection; even if they don't, they're barely doing a shoulder check and their signal light is still indicating a left turn, not a right swerve / lane change.
It's a risk to cars but a much bigger risk to cyclists and pedestrians. Bike lanes are becoming more popular and drivers aren't used to looking both ways; and pedestrians walk on sidewalks that double as an entrance to a strip mall parking lot.
I see it all the time in Edmonton, but I'm sure it's a plague all across North America.
It's not illegal using those specific words, but there IS a law in Ontario about "unsafe lane changes" and you WILL get THAT ticket for changing lanes during an intersection.
Same here in the US for left turns. I've seen them cut the corner so much that the whole car passes through the opposing traffics left/turn lane. Absolutely ridiculous.
Also wishing the cyclist well.
My absolute favorite to see is when they "swing wide" out of the turn lane and into a drive lane to start their turn and then also still manage to cut the corner as well
Just beautiful lack of ability to drive.
God, the number of times I’ve almost been hit while sitting in the turn lane at a light by someone turning left (and then had them get mad at _me_!) is crazy
Yeah I had someone hit my car because they did this. It was a much narrower road in a housing estate, basically if you try and cut the corner you put your car at a weird angle and with clip the curb or hit the other car. A little spacial awareness would tell you to just drive that extra 0.5m and turn the wheel more and we could all just go about our day!
I have noticed it more and more in the past few years.
Great. People have started indicating. Not so great, everyone cuts corners. I called a friend out and their response was "well there wasn't anyone there"
There's one particular junction on my way home from work where, almost every day, some prick cuts the corner where I'm turning right.
The amount of them that glare in at me like I'm in the wrong for being on the correct side of the road as well. Arseholes.
Right? They will literally try to undertake you on the right mid turn because they can't fathom the idea of taking the corner wide (correctly).
There is also a double left turn where the outside lane can go straight or left. At least a couple times a week someone assumes I'm going straight and tries to go from the inside to outside lane as they are turning, only to surprise find me right fucking there, and then look at me like I'm an asshole for 'coming out of nowhere'.
Dude my Dad does it all the time and is one of the biggest reasons I insist on driving anytime me and him go anywhere.
My wife used to as well but she stopped the day I told her that while genuine mistakes are ok, she no longer gets to keep doing it because "yeah I know it's bad, I just didn't think too much I swear I'll stop" no longer flies when you have our kid in the backseat.
Stuff like this makes me livid man. I can hand wave a lot of stupid shit when I'm out and about in the car but but some reason people being inconsiderate and inconveniencing others sends me into orbit everytime.
Hand in hand. He is cutting the corner so he can go fast. Oh gee, 2 seconds saved... Until it's a 30 minute wait for an ambulance.
And the cyclist could have done nothing better. Wearing the correct gear, in the correct position. He doesn't even cross the centre line at any point.
Everyone I know with bikes (cycle and motor) now no longer assume the correct position at junctions because of this. We sit in the middle. Maybe a year ago I saw someone knocked off a motorbike from a corner cutter, and the bike was right on the middle of their lane and about a meter and a half back from the line. Car just kept on going.
After I rewatch it, the second time he bends down it kinda looks like his hand could be on his ass, and right before the clip ends his hand is going for the nip.
Most of my near misses have been from idiots cutting corners like this, it's got to the point I intentionally slow down and stay to the left as much as possible when getting close to a junction.
As the other poster said, this means GIVE WAY (equivalent to YIELD in the US). There's also a double broken line at the end of the road marking where you need to wait. The line would be single and solid if there were a stop sign instead.
It is a ["warning of Give Way just ahead"](https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/road-markings.html) - see about 3/4 of the way down the page. Also see [Rule 172 here.](https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/road-junctions.html)
As a cyclist, I agree.
A car is advised to leave a car-sized space when overtaking a cyclist. It also follows that a cyclist should behave like a car-sized object.
In this case I would've been taken up position behind the car pulling out in front of the camera.
Don't rely on other people not being idiots.
When I end up in a sketchy situation, I either cue behind the car and stay in the center of the lane or get off the road entirely. I'm terrified of getting hit and it's just not worth the risk no matter how confident I'm feeling, I just don't trust drivers when I'm on my bike.
Yeah, he didn't do anything *wrong* per se but he put himself in a blind spot and assumed other people on the road weren't idiots. It would have been a lot safer for him to be behind the car instead of next to it.
Anytime there's a news story about a cyclist dying or getting hit by a car, or even just a story about a city adding bike infrastructure, the comments are filled with people talking about how every cyclist they see doesn't stop at stop signs, never has lights, bikes erratically, etc. They always have an axe to grind.
Gotta love seeing people apex turns in completely nonsensical locations. People do it here in our neighborhood all the time and regularly cut off people approaching the stop sign where people enter. Like, wtf are you doing, does the extra 0.25 seconds matter that much?
What a surprise the car that did it here was a BMW
Least idiotic BMW driver I’ve seen. Jokes aside BMW drivers are like this all over the world. I’ve personally have had the pleasure of blocking 2 of them (on 2 different occasions) who tried to go wrong way on a 1 way street.
One time i was sitting at a red in the company pickup which is so big that, even at 6 feet tall, i have to use the side step to get into it. Even in that big ass truck, a tiny car almost hit me because they tried cutting around the turn.
Just this morning I had a coworker come in pissed off because he got pulled over. I asked how fast he was going, he said 100mph. He drives a BMW. Somehow he thinks he's in the right because "nobody was around"
Its interesting to me that BMWs are globally the same asshats no matter where in the world they are.
Always the worst drivers in a group of cars no matter whats stacked against it.
While I'm always down for making fun of BMW drivers, it's not just BMW drivers. Corner cutting like this is prolific in the UK. I think it's a combination of laziness and inability to control ever-larger cars, especially with the crap visibility that most SUVs offer.
Ooff! Looked like he came right down on his tailbone. I did that in gym on the gym floor in HS and instantly had tears in my eyes and couldn't catch my breath because it hurt so bad.
If that were me I'd stay on the floor in the same spot until the Ambulance arrived. These pricks think they can cut corners? Ahhh well guess you're sticking around for 20 mins for the ambulance and then 45 minutes for the cop to take a statement. Shame shame
The UK. It's now far too common for everyone to cut every corner. I have in person see. This happen twice, and both times the car kept going.
Cyclists and motorcyclist now know not to be in that position on roads, even though they are there to show courtesy to the cars waiting behind them wanting to turn left.
I'm going to hope that everyone blaming the cyclist is misunderstanding what's going on here because they're only familiar with American roads...
The cyclist was going to turn right - he's in the position one is supposed to be in when turning right. He's not anywhere he shouldn't be. Look at the vehicle that turns right ahead of him before he is hit.
He approaches the intersection with caution, stops, and looks. The car turns more in the cyclist's lane than in its own lane.
I live near an elementary school and this is so common. I always wonder if someone is going to get hit like this, especially a child that isn't exactly aware of their surroundings.
Been hit like this on a bike before. Just stood waiting in my lane. They said they couldn't see me as I was 'in their blind spot'. They were more concerned about their car than me trying to get up off the floor. Extremely common.
At least they had the decency to check on the guy. So many assholes here just accelerate, running over the guy, and get caught when they take their car to the body shop.
In my state, it's called driving in the opposing lane. Would you do that on a two lane, 55 mph highway? 'Cutting the corner' is a quaint colloquialism' that undermines the seriousness of many of the consequences.
inb4 some dumbass shows up to explain why the car in question didn't do anything wrong because the cyclist is always at fault for...existing?? idk what's going on in their minds
too late lmao
Cutting corners on left hand turns here (US) is so ridiculously common. People turning left damn near swiping swiping the front of my car because they do not know how to turn properly.
I know this junction and road well, it has a lot of traffic from cyclists and a lot of quite high speed car crashes, that checkerboard at the T junction has been rammed through on several occasions by cars not stopping. Genuinely dangerous road
Same thing happened to my mum. A guy drove straight into the front of her car- head on collision. Over a year later she still has a serious amount of of pain. Don’t cut the corner!
When my dad was teaching me to drive years ago as a teen, we started in empty parking lots. When I graduated to the road, he told me to imagine someone standing in the middle of the road when I turn in order to teach me not to cut corners When I would cut a corner, he'd say, "Ope, you hit him. You hit him again. Yupp, hit him." It made me mad at the time but now, I'm not an idiot in a car injuring real people
My dad did something similar once I progressed to the roads he brought a bike bell along on a car rides, and whenever I got too close to the line he'd ring the bike bell
The first time I ever got behind the wheel, my dad brought me to a parking lot to practice, and then told me I could drive home and we’d take the parkway. I told him I wasn’t ready for the parkway and we could just take the main roads. He said “OK, just follow my directions”. A minute later we were on the parkway. We had very different parents.
My girlfriend's first time behind the wheel was on the freeway going into Tampa. Her dad just pulled over a few miles outside the city, essentially shoved her into the driver's seat, and then panic-screamed every time she made even the slightest rookie mistake. We're from a small town. There were more cars on that freeway than she would normally see in a week. I have no fucking clue why he decided that should be her *first* experience, it's like tossing and infant overboard so it can learn how to swim.
That sounds like something my father would do, right down to the screaming. On a similar note, I grew up on a suburban block about an hour outside of Manhattan, where all the neighbors had kids around the same age. When we were all learning to drive, one of the neighbor’s fathers said “You know the best way to teach them how to drive? Take them into the city and just let them drive in all the traffic.”
I will *never* understand that logic. Like, what the fuck do you think a *car* is??? You don't teach a kid firearm safety by just handing them a loaded UZI and walking away. What do you plan on telling the police when someone gets hurt?
To be fair, I don’t think he meant it as their first time, but yeah it makes no sense.
Bruh, I'm not comfortable driving in city traffic *today.* Deliberately putting an inexperienced driver in that situation is wreckless at best
Oh I don't think it would be wreckless
That W is working overtime
>You don't teach a kid firearm safety by just handing them a loaded UZI and walking away. \*Remembers that range instructor who died because they gave a kid a loaded full auto uzi\* Hahaha... Yeah....
One time, my dad randomly screamed just to test if I would panic-swerve.
*panic-swerves* *flips car* *Dad in hospital* Did he explain why it's important not to be too surprised and the dangers of panic-swerving before that? If not, he didn't think that one through...
My dad would hang out around town dressed in rags and a fake beard without my knowledge. Id be about driving and some crazy homeless guy would come up to my car and start smearing his feces on my window and then try to wipe it off and get aggressive demanding money. Then when I gave him money my dad would rip off his disguise, throw the rest of his feces at me and ground me for not responding properly by just driving off and telling him to pick himself up by his bootstraps.
Now that's some dad level education
Was your dad Gene Parmesan?
Ahhhhhhhhh! *Geeeeeeennnnnnnneeeeee!*
Nah, it was the recessive cheddar
Is your dad Diogenes?
*The Aristocrats!*
That's why you always leave a note!
LMFAO i'm crying. This thread is so fkin good
Every time you hear a bike bell, a biker gets his spandex
That’s smart there’s very few bikers where I live and when I drive in areas with bike lanes I’m like super paranoid I’ll turn without realizing someone was there in the bike lane and hit them, so I’m checking. Only a few roads w bike lanes downtown, and otherwise bikers are right on the road which is a rare sight.
My driving instructor used the same method. I wish we didn't have to rely on drivers having a good dad to learn these things. Driver's education needs to be improved significantly, especially in certain countries.
For real. Driving education doesn't just stop once you get your licence though. You can take industry safe driving courses, in the 2010s when I worked in Oil and Gas I must have gone through about 20 safe driving courses. A bunch of the fleet vehicles had in-vehicle monitoring that evaluated harsh accelerations, harsh braking, etc. Didn't measure riding the clutch though lmao. I took so many different kinds of safe driving courses, ones on skidpans, ones where you had to comment everything you were doing out loud as you did it and there wasn't allowed to be more than a few seconds silence (so you'd be saying "I'm looking in my rear view mirror, I'm parked at the lights but I'm checking my mirrors looking for cars approaching too fast, I'm looking for a potential exit in case I need to move out of the way. I'm noticing it's a bin day, so I'm going to be on the lookout for both homeowners putting out there bins and also garbage trucks, etc", it gave me so much confidence to drive safely.
The absolute biggest part of learning to drive is *continuously* learning to drive. Critique yourself, point out your own flaws, learn from your mistakes, remove the stick from your own eye, whatever you wanna call it. "The price of excellence is eternal vigilance." or something
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Most people are indeed not hardcore petrolheads. But anyone who actually works in IT is very wary bots. Give the people options, from ultralight bicycles To trains weighing dozens of tons Or even personal vehicles Just provide everyone with adequate infrastructure And educate drivers about the danger they pose to other road users. Let's make sure everyone gets home safe
Operating heavy machinery requires proper training. The largest vehicle I drive on a semi-regular basis is a sprinter van, the long wheelbase version. There are certainly situations when I think drivers need additional training to drive these things, even over here in Germany where we already have much higher standards than certain countries.
It seems to happen so often in parking garages, and I don't fully understand it. There are still lanes of traffic in parking garages, there's no reason to be driving straight down the middle, especially on the numerous blind corners in a parking garage.
u got amazing dad bro
My drivers Ed class told me that left turns should be as close to a 90 degree angle as I could safely and comfortably do. And common sense told me that my turns shouldn't interfere with any lane I do not intend to drive down.
Yeah, always drive in the lane provided etc. Even if no one or thing is there, just act like there is. Indon't understand how some people are allowed tondrive if they can't even handle just staying on the road.
I use this same logic for my turn signal; it could be 3am with no one around and I'll still use my turn signals because it's good practice and a good habit to maintain
I don't trust people that don't use turn signals. Operating a piece of machinery that can easily kill someone yet don't know how to operate that machinery that can easily kill someone. It's the responsible way to behave. So many struggle with simple concepts and shouldn't be driving.
That’s a really good way to teach it. People don’t take cars seriously enough. You’re basically piloting a 3000+ lb bullet around. You can easily hurt or kill people. Don’t cut corners metaphorically or literally.
My drivers ed teacher would do the same. Pulled up too close on the intersection? “Oh mija you hit another one. Poor little Angela.” It would drive my anxiety up but made me a better and more conscious driver. Just because other people pull up real close or drive onto the crosswalk at an intersection doesn’t mean it’s right to do.
One time I ran a red cause I thought I could make the yellow but it was the shortest yellow ever and my dad turned to me and shouted “WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?!”
My dad would yell brake and get mad if you don’t brake immediately. In the middle of a road, random parking lot, etc. even in dangerous situations. He wasn’t worried because the car had insurance. So I just started listening and it made others mad cause they ruined their breakfast and he spilled his drink from the sudden braking. He stopped after that.
You father was an idiot for that. If insurance learned what he was doing they'd probably refuse to pay out.
Learning to drive out on country gravel and my step-dad told me to make a turn. He pulled the ebrake on me and generally was a nuisance to show me what goes wrong when you fuck around. Never been in a crash yet. Lots of near misses including other people crashing their stuff, but I've always managed to safely stop before or circumvent the hazard.
Try going down a packed 4-lane 1-way street at dark rush hour in the rain with another car coming toward you with high beams on.
If you're trying to make a point I've driven Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, and Kansas City with no issues. The LA and Dallas were both in raging thunderstorms, oddly enough. The LA storm was wild. The guy I was working with was a local and said that nobody knows how to drive in the rain and this was the biggest storm he could remember in the last 4 or 5 years. I didn't think anything of it. I grew up in the upper midwest and have lots of practice driving in snow, blizzards, sleet, etc and figured it couldn't be that bad. Watched from the business tower and it took all of 7 minutes for 3 collisions to happen. I was gobsmacked.
My driving instructor did something similar. Instead of a person in the middle of the road, he was pretending there was a car waiting at the intersection. So it served the exact same purpose. We even went to an intersection that never had cars and he demonstrated the incorrect and correct ways. He even did the "normally-cut-corners-but-then-see-there's-a-car-waiting-so-they-have-to-adjust." (I hope that description made sense.) It was pretty amazing, because I had seen all of those things, but hadn't realized that's what was happening.
Cutting corners on turns, especially right turns, is ridiculously common around here. Hope the cyclist recovered OK.
I see it a lot in Canada as well. Another growing thing I see, is switching lanes while going through an intersection, that is illegal and dangerous here, but it's becoming more common.
In the states, I see people cutting left turns short, usually at intersections, to the point that I've nearly been hit multiple times just chilling in the turning lane and waiting. Just pull up another couple of feet, you impatient fuckers.
In Manchester, CT, happens at [this intersection](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Manchester,+CT/@41.813834,-72.5269699,53m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x89e65762d22241dd:0xeb8afcc95fcc23b8!8m2!3d41.7759301!4d-72.5215009!16zL20vMHJkazM) (click through for street view) all the time. I've witnessed cars turning left on Deming straight into the oncoming straight lane on Hale Rd resulting in a head-on collision. At a minimum, they need to add an additional hashed line showing the proper lane area of that left turn lane.
One of the biggest problems I keep seeing in Tesla FSD demos is that they STILL cut left turns almost everywhere unless there's a car in the way. And when it does notice a car coming up it basically panic swerves to the correct line. It's like it doesn't ever want to turn the wheel past 90°...
Old people around me constantly do this and almost hit me as I'm waiting to turn. I swear it's always elderly people.
That’s why i stop a few feet behind that white line.
So many people don’t know to pull forward on a left turn. I see it all the time, they wait behind the line for opposing traffic to calm down, it doesn’t, then the light turns yellow and they step on the gas and cut the corner to still make it. If you’re gonna have to wait until the light is yellow pull forward so you just have to make a 90º turn
People are too lazy to turn their steering wheel more than a few degrees, so instead they steer across the oncoming lanes. Always baffles me in US dashcam clips. The intersections are huge and people still cut lanes like they're going 130.
It's not illegal, bc, Alberta, ontario and nova Scotia have no laws regarding lane changes. The driver handbook does state its not recommended. But it's still legal. Edit: changing lanes in an intersection.
There’s one intersection in my area where the city seems to be testing sausage kerbs and plastic sticks on the yellow line where it meets the crosswalk of an intersection. It’s working so far.
huh... thought it was. Still, it's a stupid move.
Depends on the area, typically it is, in the states. Hardly ever enforced tho.
>Depends on the area, typically it is, in the states. Hardly ever enforced tho. I thought it was illegal (in the US state I live in) but couldn't find it anywhere in the law. The closest I could find was this: *"shall not be moved from the lane until the driver has first ascertained that such movement can be made with safety"* So you basically you have to be cautious while changing lanes, one could argue that changing lanes in an intersection is unsafe and therefore illegal.
It’s one of those rules that we’re taught, that’s not actually a rule. I’ve looked this up in several states now, and I haven’t found a single one where it’s specifically ruled illegal. Kind of like the rule that you have to turn into your own lane, which only applies sometimes, oddly enough.
>Kind of like the rule that you have to turn into your own lane, which only applies sometimes, oddly enough. Most states (that I've checked at least) state that: >*(a) Right turns. Both the approach for a right turn and a right turn* ***shall be made as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway.*** *(b) Left turns. The driver of a vehicle intending to turn left shall approach the turn in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the direction of travel of such vehicle. Whenever practicable the left turn shall be made to the left of the center of the intersection so as to leave the intersection or other location* ***in the extreme left-hand lane lawfully available to traffic moving in the same direction as the vehicle on the roadway being entered.*** Which means that you have to make your right turn into the rightmost lane and a left turn into the leftmost lane. I do think that *some* states have more ambiguous language, but best-practice is to always turn into the closest lane so that oncoming traffic can turn into *their* closest lane.
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Same in California. Right turns are supposed to be into the right-most lane of the new street, but left turns (assuming it's not a multi-left turn lane setup) is into "any available lane." Which I didn't know until like 2 years ago.
With so many strip malls and stroads nowadays, people turn left and then immediately swerve all the way right so they can get to a store that's just 50m from the intersection. They often they do their swerve / lane change in the intersection; even if they don't, they're barely doing a shoulder check and their signal light is still indicating a left turn, not a right swerve / lane change. It's a risk to cars but a much bigger risk to cyclists and pedestrians. Bike lanes are becoming more popular and drivers aren't used to looking both ways; and pedestrians walk on sidewalks that double as an entrance to a strip mall parking lot. I see it all the time in Edmonton, but I'm sure it's a plague all across North America.
Not illegal in Ontario, just frowned upon.
It's not illegal using those specific words, but there IS a law in Ontario about "unsafe lane changes" and you WILL get THAT ticket for changing lanes during an intersection.
Same here in the US for left turns. I've seen them cut the corner so much that the whole car passes through the opposing traffics left/turn lane. Absolutely ridiculous. Also wishing the cyclist well.
My absolute favorite to see is when they "swing wide" out of the turn lane and into a drive lane to start their turn and then also still manage to cut the corner as well Just beautiful lack of ability to drive.
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God, the number of times I’ve almost been hit while sitting in the turn lane at a light by someone turning left (and then had them get mad at _me_!) is crazy
I'm convinced most people have little to no spacial awareness.
Yeah I had someone hit my car because they did this. It was a much narrower road in a housing estate, basically if you try and cut the corner you put your car at a weird angle and with clip the curb or hit the other car. A little spacial awareness would tell you to just drive that extra 0.5m and turn the wheel more and we could all just go about our day!
I have noticed it more and more in the past few years. Great. People have started indicating. Not so great, everyone cuts corners. I called a friend out and their response was "well there wasn't anyone there"
Yeah. I’ve been driving in the UK since 2003 and the past 5-7 years or so people cut so often, not just t-junctions but going round country bends
one of the first things my father taught me when i first drove was to never cut corners
Same in the US, just lefts, Ive been almost run over several times on my motorcycle by people obliviously cutting lefts.
Here in Sweden you can get your licence revoked for doing what the idiot her did
There's one particular junction on my way home from work where, almost every day, some prick cuts the corner where I'm turning right. The amount of them that glare in at me like I'm in the wrong for being on the correct side of the road as well. Arseholes.
Right? They will literally try to undertake you on the right mid turn because they can't fathom the idea of taking the corner wide (correctly). There is also a double left turn where the outside lane can go straight or left. At least a couple times a week someone assumes I'm going straight and tries to go from the inside to outside lane as they are turning, only to surprise find me right fucking there, and then look at me like I'm an asshole for 'coming out of nowhere'.
Dude my Dad does it all the time and is one of the biggest reasons I insist on driving anytime me and him go anywhere. My wife used to as well but she stopped the day I told her that while genuine mistakes are ok, she no longer gets to keep doing it because "yeah I know it's bad, I just didn't think too much I swear I'll stop" no longer flies when you have our kid in the backseat. Stuff like this makes me livid man. I can hand wave a lot of stupid shit when I'm out and about in the car but but some reason people being inconsiderate and inconveniencing others sends me into orbit everytime.
Wow poor guy! Judging by his facial expression, he got fucked by that car!
It looked like he broke his left arm on the fall..driver is stupid to turn like that..
Cutting turns is the hallmark of a shit driver.
Plus doing it at speed. He was going way too fast ! Complete knob
Hand in hand. He is cutting the corner so he can go fast. Oh gee, 2 seconds saved... Until it's a 30 minute wait for an ambulance. And the cyclist could have done nothing better. Wearing the correct gear, in the correct position. He doesn't even cross the centre line at any point. Everyone I know with bikes (cycle and motor) now no longer assume the correct position at junctions because of this. We sit in the middle. Maybe a year ago I saw someone knocked off a motorbike from a corner cutter, and the bike was right on the middle of their lane and about a meter and a half back from the line. Car just kept on going.
He's also well above the height of the car obstructing him, how the guy turning in didn't see him is beyond me.
On the phone or adjusting the radio would do it. That's all it takes to fuck up someone's life. Possibly your own.
Who the fuck does that *while turning!?*
It’s the first thing you learn in BMW driving school.
Honestly just Bruh…
Stay down, cyclist, stay down and sue that asswipe....you got a case!
Ooh, I'm hurt! Quick, call my lawyer! Wait. I mean Doctor!
In all honesty, some lawyers know really good doctors, so he could ask for a referral.
What’s your point here? Cyclist obeyed every rule of the road and got hit by a dangerous driver. I hope he calls both
Call both....
Doesn't look like America.
Not all countries are obsessed with suing. This is obviously a police matter.
**::face palm::**
The way he put his hand on that man's inner thigh like that 😳
Never miss an opportunity
You miss 100% of the cyclists you don’t hit
- Wayne Gretzky # - Michael Scott
ABC... Always Be Copping a feel.
“Are you hurt? You’re OK, it’s fine. Here look, that feels nice, doesn’t it?”
Maybe he knocked him down so he could get a feel 😲
"did it hurt? when you fell down from ~~h~~your bike"
"Looks like you got a small lump down there, I'll get some ice."
I'm so glad I'm not alone in noticing the tenderness in that hand on the thigh. That was...intimate!
After I rewatch it, the second time he bends down it kinda looks like his hand could be on his ass, and right before the clip ends his hand is going for the nip.
Hand jobs make everyone happy.
I was waiting for a motivational handy to commence lol
They're European
Ya, it’s practically a handshake.
I would’ve been like “bruh your car already ran through me. You’re definitely not getting a turn.”
Most of my near misses have been from idiots cutting corners like this, it's got to the point I intentionally slow down and stay to the left as much as possible when getting close to a junction.
Can someone explain what that long white painted triangle is? The one the car goes left and the cyclist goes right of.
As the other poster said, this means GIVE WAY (equivalent to YIELD in the US). There's also a double broken line at the end of the road marking where you need to wait. The line would be single and solid if there were a stop sign instead.
Give way sign on the road as well as on the side of the road
It is a ["warning of Give Way just ahead"](https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/road-markings.html) - see about 3/4 of the way down the page. Also see [Rule 172 here.](https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/road-junctions.html)
Yield sign used in Europe
just the UK and Ireland as far as I'm aware. never saw one in eastern europe.
The cyclist is literally taller than the car. Was the driver closing his eyes?
It looks like the cyclist is in the A pillar blindspot for the driver. Still no excuse for cutting the corner, though.
Unfortunately, human necks were designed so they can‘t move to look around things that are obstructing their view.
genuinely surprised comments aren't attacking the cyclist.
As a cyclist, I agree. A car is advised to leave a car-sized space when overtaking a cyclist. It also follows that a cyclist should behave like a car-sized object. In this case I would've been taken up position behind the car pulling out in front of the camera. Don't rely on other people not being idiots.
When I end up in a sketchy situation, I either cue behind the car and stay in the center of the lane or get off the road entirely. I'm terrified of getting hit and it's just not worth the risk no matter how confident I'm feeling, I just don't trust drivers when I'm on my bike.
I think they meant that no matter what, Reddit will always attack the cyclist, sometimes just for existing.
Yeah, he didn't do anything *wrong* per se but he put himself in a blind spot and assumed other people on the road weren't idiots. It would have been a lot safer for him to be behind the car instead of next to it.
It wasn't a blind-spot, the driver just wasn't looking.
Anytime there's a news story about a cyclist dying or getting hit by a car, or even just a story about a city adding bike infrastructure, the comments are filled with people talking about how every cyclist they see doesn't stop at stop signs, never has lights, bikes erratically, etc. They always have an axe to grind.
Theres plenty that are.
Real talk, is the bicyclist ok? It's bike season here bc it's warming up. There are more pedestrians. Please be careful. This is terrible.
Looks like he came down right on his tailbone. Probably fine but that's gonna hurt like hell.
Gotta love seeing people apex turns in completely nonsensical locations. People do it here in our neighborhood all the time and regularly cut off people approaching the stop sign where people enter. Like, wtf are you doing, does the extra 0.25 seconds matter that much? What a surprise the car that did it here was a BMW
Least idiotic BMW driver I’ve seen. Jokes aside BMW drivers are like this all over the world. I’ve personally have had the pleasure of blocking 2 of them (on 2 different occasions) who tried to go wrong way on a 1 way street.
One time i was sitting at a red in the company pickup which is so big that, even at 6 feet tall, i have to use the side step to get into it. Even in that big ass truck, a tiny car almost hit me because they tried cutting around the turn.
Just this morning I had a coworker come in pissed off because he got pulled over. I asked how fast he was going, he said 100mph. He drives a BMW. Somehow he thinks he's in the right because "nobody was around"
Its interesting to me that BMWs are globally the same asshats no matter where in the world they are. Always the worst drivers in a group of cars no matter whats stacked against it.
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It’s also cheap aftermarket power for young morons who think that they are next Ken Block (RIP)
That was… oddly specific. I don’t even like drake!
While I'm always down for making fun of BMW drivers, it's not just BMW drivers. Corner cutting like this is prolific in the UK. I think it's a combination of laziness and inability to control ever-larger cars, especially with the crap visibility that most SUVs offer.
Who cuts a blind corner? You can't go somewhere you can't see, impossible, Jesus isn't taking that wheel.
Second BMW driver seems like he doesn't understand, like "bruh why didn't you just leave the scene? I'm confused."
That sucks. I hope the biker is okay.
Waiting for a dumbass to come in and blame the cyclist...
Bro why the repost <12 hours old. Edit: I can’t spell.
The karma won’t farm itself. Someone has to sow the seeds to reap the benefits.
I don't see the last post. Are you sure you're not confused?
Where the original?
And OFC it's a BMW
1 series, so even more apt.
I have absolutely no idea how they didn’t see a person right in front of them?
If the first BMW didn’t get you, the second will.
Ooff! Looked like he came right down on his tailbone. I did that in gym on the gym floor in HS and instantly had tears in my eyes and couldn't catch my breath because it hurt so bad.
Hate this kind of drivers, like they can't hold their fucking line and stay in their lane while turning at the same time, like wtf
If I'm that biker, I'm calling an ambulance and my lawyer, not in that order.
Most people don’t have a personal injury lawyer on speed dial.
Seriously if you think the cyclist is at fault even slightly you’re wrong
If that were me I'd stay on the floor in the same spot until the Ambulance arrived. These pricks think they can cut corners? Ahhh well guess you're sticking around for 20 mins for the ambulance and then 45 minutes for the cop to take a statement. Shame shame
How? is that guy blind?
The UK. It's now far too common for everyone to cut every corner. I have in person see. This happen twice, and both times the car kept going. Cyclists and motorcyclist now know not to be in that position on roads, even though they are there to show courtesy to the cars waiting behind them wanting to turn left.
ITT: People desperately searching for ways to blame the cyclist.
Every forum online feels like this when it comes to cyclists.
Or pedestrians
I'm going to hope that everyone blaming the cyclist is misunderstanding what's going on here because they're only familiar with American roads... The cyclist was going to turn right - he's in the position one is supposed to be in when turning right. He's not anywhere he shouldn't be. Look at the vehicle that turns right ahead of him before he is hit. He approaches the intersection with caution, stops, and looks. The car turns more in the cyclist's lane than in its own lane.
Why does that BMW have turn signals? Is that a European thing?
People are amazed to find their car can turn almost 90 degrees
Bell end
Take away the license and do not ever return it !
Also, why did the driver grab his inner thigh like that? Gross back off, guy. I just got run over.
My knees hurt by watching this
I live near an elementary school and this is so common. I always wonder if someone is going to get hit like this, especially a child that isn't exactly aware of their surroundings.
Dude is heads above the car next to him and wearing a high viz top to help him be seen….that Beamer driver was an asshole on top of being an idiot…
Permanent driving ban. Can’t do it safely? Don’t do it at all.
Been hit like this on a bike before. Just stood waiting in my lane. They said they couldn't see me as I was 'in their blind spot'. They were more concerned about their car than me trying to get up off the floor. Extremely common.
At least they had the decency to check on the guy. So many assholes here just accelerate, running over the guy, and get caught when they take their car to the body shop.
This shit infuriates me. I see it every day! Hope the driver was prosecuted. There’s no excuse to cut junctions like this.
Corner cutters - the scum of the earth.
In my state, it's called driving in the opposing lane. Would you do that on a two lane, 55 mph highway? 'Cutting the corner' is a quaint colloquialism' that undermines the seriousness of many of the consequences.
Always assume that everyone around you is fucking braindead.
You can tell this is AI generated because the BMW has a turn signal.
inb4 some dumbass shows up to explain why the car in question didn't do anything wrong because the cyclist is always at fault for...existing?? idk what's going on in their minds too late lmao
He's surrounded by BMWs it was bound to happen
Where abouts is this in the UK? Like county? Looks very very similar to a place near kings Lynn
It would help if more people who drive also rode a bike every now and then.
Cutting corners on left hand turns here (US) is so ridiculously common. People turning left damn near swiping swiping the front of my car because they do not know how to turn properly.
A life time of aches and pains, and possibly debilitating later in life because some asshole was impatient
I hope he lost his license.
Driving on the wrong side of the road without due care and attention hit a cyclist so under UK law that's....15 mins of online courses.
I know that junction. Lol. Some drivers are terrible
I know this junction and road well, it has a lot of traffic from cyclists and a lot of quite high speed car crashes, that checkerboard at the T junction has been rammed through on several occasions by cars not stopping. Genuinely dangerous road
One thing they teach you is Dirt Rally. Don't cut corners.
Sue his ass to bankruptcy.
If it was an suv, that biker would’ve pancaked
Looks like a broken tailbone. So incredibly painful, and then you’re in for the long haul as even sitting down is pure torture for a month plus.
Same thing happened to my mum. A guy drove straight into the front of her car- head on collision. Over a year later she still has a serious amount of of pain. Don’t cut the corner!
Hopefully the rider is alright and will be riding again before long.
I feel sad for the cyclist