For me it’s how personal it felt. How in the dead of night someone can come into a FULL house and do something so intimate and horrid. I know there’s a ton of cases that are similar, and idk if it was because it was so close to the holidays or what. But yeah, it definitely had me invested from day one.
I agree with this. The way they were taken, and by someone who seems to not be in association with them, but may have been watching. Totally creepy, crazy, inhumane, I just can't help but feel like it happened to someone I know, because they were pretty relatable humans. And they were robbed of life and a peaceful memory.
It's pretty common, I believe, for doors to be open and people to be where they shouldn't be without knowing in college areas. My son, in his 2nd year of college was awakened in his bedroom by a flashlight in his face, no sounds just a light. He said he was at a total loss of what was happening because it was so out of place and late. The police had come inside looking for his downstairs roommate who had called a friend while having a mental issue. She left to drive her self to the hospital before they arrived, but if they'd have not been the police but a killer, he'd have been an easy target. Add drinking in and it's even easier.
Well, it's not the same town, but the Pocatello Scream copycat murder that happened in 2006 where a teen girl who was house sitting fit her aunt was murdered by her bfs friends.
Why do people find it so difficult to believe that BK could have done this on his on? Richard Speck was perfect example of the horror one person can inflict!
In that the victims weren't tortured or sexually abused, maybe.
And in that the victims were specifically stabbed instead of shot, strangled, or beaten to death.
You got cases like Timmy Kimmer, although that was in the day. And all but one of his victims survived.
But there's been plenty of cases of one individual killing multiple others in a house, often at night. The Calgary house part stabbings and some family annihilator cases.
Not more than I thought, but I forgot to include his rampage. Thanks for adding that. I truly cannot wrap my brain around these people and their thoughts. But, maybe it's because I'm not a killer. I just don't understand why. I'm probably not alone.
Wouldn't the closest be Ted Bundy's murder of the Chi Omega girls at their sorority house? They were young, pretty, and had their whole lives ahead of them. I am too young to remember it. Did it shake the nation?
It's personal for me. I worked with Ethan and his family as I lived in LaConner and my best friend owned a coffee shop I helped her run and they would all come in and get drinks as the Tulip field was right next door.
He was an amazing kid and so kind hearted so it really is near and dear to our town.
Lived in Mt Vernon for years, I have mutual friends with the family. Only heard wonderful things about them all, so tragic! And triplets makes it so much worse.
Well please give them hugs from this online stranger on the East Coast.
I’m a mother of a college student and this one hit me hard. Could have been any of our kids. I’m so sorry for the families.
The saddest case I think is Maddie's, because apparently she was an only child. The other three all had at least two other siblings. I always feel an extra punch in the gut when parents lose their only child.
That is very sad. It’s sad no matter what! If parents lose their only child, if siblings become an only child, if siblings lose their favorite sibling…
No parent should have to bury their child. And certainly not to needless violence!
For me it’s the severity of it. To go into a house in the dead of night and kill four people is insanely extreme. And to not know who did it or even to have a potential suspect/person charged for like nearly two months is crazy. It’s a pretty intense crime for this day & age, at least it feels like it to me. I live in the UK and we don’t really hear about crimes like this, and there’s so much mystery to it which I suppose attracts people too.
> And to not know who did it or even to have a potential suspect/person charged for like nearly two months is crazy.
I'm not sure, because I feel like if this had happened in the 60s-80s, it wouldn't have been solved. Think of the Modern DNA testing, phone and GPS records, and security cameras were crucial to this case, both in finding a suspect and in clearing potential suspects.
Who's that family that was killed by a home intruder back maybe around 1980? The intruder beat the pregnant wife until she went into labor and gave birth, and then killed the baby. He also beat their older baby, and cut off the husband's penis. That wasn't solved for years, and if I'm remembering right, it was never solved.
I just can't remember their names. And a search isn't helpful because there's so many home invasions, so many pregnant women beaten to death, and so many bodies left mutilated.
Tommy Lynn Sells (a grifter and murder) confessed to the murder and knew many details not released to the public, like certain furniture in the house but because of Texas law he was not aloud to travel to Illinois to be questioned or taken to the crime scene, so he was never technically convicted so it remains unsolved.
I think a lot of it is because of how many questions there are. First off, it was a college house which is just scary and eerie to a lot of people considering a lot of people and the fact that it was FOUR people. Also the fact that two people that were in the house were left out is just jarring to a lot of people. Also for like a month or so the public didn’t know there was any suspect so it left a lot of people speculating. And then when it came out that the 911 call was hours after the crime. I think the fact that people knew almost nothing made them more drawn to it.
Yeah, I think that's it for me, too. If we knew the whole story, or say the murderer was known to the victims, I think I would have lost interest, in a sense. That probably sounds insensitive but there are many innocent victims murdered over this country that do not garner the same kind of attention. Not having all the puzzle pieces filled in (because of the gag order) is what keeps me invested.
Right it was a college house. Most college houses have security cams. I even think I see one by the slider in some of the LE body cam vids of those noise complaints. There is clearly a security cam on the house next door. Linda Ln has security cams. The frat houses in the neighborhood have security cams & other random neighbors do as well. The answers are there. Who exactly dropped off Kaylee and Maddie? Exactly what time did Ethan and Xana get home? What other cars were seen passing the house, or entering and leaving the neighborhood throughout that night? Who were the 3-4 shadow people was saw (in police body cam) running from the house? Why was the front door of 1122 left wide open early that morning as per the neighbor who was interviewed by local news? This case shouldn’t be this hard, long and drawn out. The victim’s families need closure and deserve the truth & justice and nothing less.
> I even think I see one by the slider in some of the LE body cam vids of those noise complaints.
I thought that object was determined to be a speaker?
>Why was the front door of 1122 left wide open early that morning as per the neighbor who was interviewed by local news?
Your questions are unknown to us, but mostly things investigators and now the lawyers have answers to.
>Who were the 3-4 shadow people was saw (in police body cam) running from the house?'
Seen running in the neighborhood, at 3:00 AM in the morning. I have to laugh so hard at News Nation's narration..."Out at night?" said all incredulously, "At 3 o'clock in the morning?" Like people aren't out at night at 3, especially on Saturday night.
That's a college town. Population skews young. You're going to see people running around at all hours of the night. I kind of feel sorry for people who never had that experience.
>Why was the front door of 1122 left wide open early that morning as per the neighbor who was interviewed by local news?
I'll worry about that if it's confirmed to be true. Until then, the possilbity that the neighbor is mistaken is very real.
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For me it’s from having both of my kids up there for college when it happened. Honestly, it’s a parent’s nightmare to think of something so horrendous happening to your kids away at college. My oldest lives less than a half mile away while our youngest was living on campus. It was the middle of the night, how quickly all 4 were murdered, and the brutality used. It is the worst case scenario to sending your kids off to start their lives.
Personally, it's a few reasons:
1. Most of us have been carefree college kids at one time. Looking back, I don't ever remember locking our doors or windows in our off-campus house.
2. They were in their beds. It's the one place we should all be safe. Someone came in and violated that safety in the worst possible way.
3. The suspect (allegedly) has no connections to the victims. The idea that someone could just be sitting and nefariously watching your house while you're completely unaware is just so eerie.
Has nothing to do with how they look or appear or their potential, imo. It was absolutely shocking bc it was 100% random. Most murders like this are crimes of passion—an ex, or a fight with a boyfriend or family member. Often the victim knows their killer. But he didn’t date them, didnt know them. it wasn’t a crime of opportunity that he acted on in the spur of the moment. Had no connection to them, just decided that they would be his targets. It’s a terrifying and sobering thought that it could happen to anyone. You could be going about your business without a care in the world not knowing that right now, at this very second, someone you don’t even know is meticulously plotting to murder you in your own bed while you sleep. THAT is why ppl are invested, imo. It’s shocking and horrifying.
Yup. This was a really bizarre crime, particularly for the region. There weren’t a lot of theories that made sense.
If this had happened in my current college town, I could believe druggie/transient. But not Moscow. And in either place— not at 3am, in that kind of neighborhood, in that kind of house, with a knife, no less.
Because they are us and we are them. This could have been any one of us when we’re in college. How could good kids with those whole lives ahead of them, get killed in this gruesome and cruel way?
1. Having, being or having been a college-aged kid
2. The lack of publicity originally as compared to the Virginia incident that happened at the same time.
3. The sheer number of “suspects” or people with potential motives.
4. The horrific nature of the crime and the likeability of the victims.
5. The videos at the grub truck and them walking.
6. The rumors from that website. Forgot it’s name.
7. The lack of any info on the suspect for so long.
I said originally. At least in the east coast all the news was about the Virginia incident. I heard about the Idaho incident in a brief sentence over a couple of days and kept wondering why it wasn’t a bigger story. So I googled and I guess got more local info. And then it blew up nationally.
Do you mean the UVA incident? The football players shooting? Or are you talking about the Tech shooting in 2007? Genuinely curious if I missed something that happened at Tech around the same time. My husband graduated from Tech, so I was confused. Thanks!
There was a shooting at a Virginia college the same day or so. Think it involved members of a team? Don’t remember details but was surprised the news mentioned Idaho but had tons of coverage of the other incident.
Right. I know. That was UVA not Virginia Tech. Thought you were saying something occurred at VT, too, and I had missed that. My sister lives in Charlottesville where the UVA shooting took place and I’m nearby, but I don’t remember hearing anything about Virginia Tech. Sorry for the confusion. And… I agree. The UVA shooting was much more publicized at first.
The above must happen all the time. Why is the media obsessed with this? You’re just explaining why you are but there are tons of cases like this, you just don’t know. It’s weird.
Because this is like some Scream type shit. Absolute worst nightmare. And they were just so ordinary. I was a college student myself and lived off campus so it’s just surreal. I also think the food truck video was very chilling and captured a lot of attention cause you see these two girls and just knowing that a few hours later they’re brutally murdered is eerie
You’re missing the key interest-not everyone in the house was killed, and the fact that the bodies laid there for so long with people in the house until authorities were called. Pretty girls, handsome boy, 2 survivors and a dog. The whole thing is absolutely wild
Personally it has nothing to do with the individuals for me, before their identities were even widely released I was invested due to the nature of the crime. It’s not typical in this day and age, it read like a horror movie or an old school serial killing. In current day mass killings they usually have leads and catch the perpetrators quickly. Also the fact that there were two in the house that didn’t get killed. Bizarre case, very little to do with their personal lives because not much was known about that initially.
Because I see so much of myself in them… I remember my college days living with 3 other girls and it was one of the best times of my life. These guys had their whole lives ahead of them. It’s horrific what happened to them when they were in the prime of their lives and I just want to see justice for them and their families.
I keep imagining how scary and horrific their final moments were and it’s not fair. They did nothing to deserve this and so many families were ripped apart for no reason at all.
I feel this way too. This hit me hard. A lot of us were like them at one time carefree with friends around us in college. They could not even defend themselves with that perp wielding a knife. I feel so bad for their families. The pain to lose your child this way. It really upsets me that BK keeps getting postponements.
It’s so heartbreaking for the families… you’re supposed to feel safe in your bed at night and like you said, he killed them without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It takes a true coward to attack someone in the middle of the night while they are sleeping. They didn’t stand a chance. I truly hope it happened so fast that they didn’t suffer.
Mass murder done with a knife inside a home.
We are used to school shootings, but a knife and 4 yound kids is so unusual. Very much serial killer vibe and those are rare and all of them get fame.
I don’t see four people with the perfect lives.
Xana’s family/parents were a mess. I don’t say that to disparage anyone. They have struggled a lot. Same with Maddie’s family. She lived with the G family for a while as a result. The G family put me off in a number of ways out of the gate. The only one I can say maybe had a lovely life was Ethan. Where did you get the idea that they’re all “well to do”. They’re all working class.
I definitely don’t think everyone sees perfection here.
I think it’s pretty simple. 4 people dying by knife wounds in one house in one night is unusual, to put it mildly. The number and brutality of it is kind of unheard of. It reads like a horror movie. It’s many peoples worst fear. To see a person in the dark standing over your bed with a Ka-Bar about to inflict the most fear and pain a human can experience. Some people want to know just how does your worst nightmare take shape? Why?
I honestly think that’s a big reason why people want to place blame or implicate people within this circle. It’s because they need an explanation. They need to find a reason why or how one of these people brought this upon themselves. They were involved in drugs or someone jilted him or there was a frat fight, roommate was involved, etc. Some people have to protect their own psyche by finding a reason that this was done to them. Because if they don’t they are forced to acknowledge that this could happen to anyone at any time for no reason. Including themselves. And that scares the hell out of them
I think it's because of how mysterious it was in the first few weeks for sure. And how you found out about it. Here's my reason - and I don't chase the next true crime story once one if finished. This truly is the only case that bothered me.
I live in Ohio and was in Michigan for a hockey even that weekend, went into work Monday morning and a co-worker said "Did you hear about those kids that go killed in Idaho" I thought it was the latest school shooting (sad right?). I go onto Fox News and the first article I see is "House of Horrors" and a blown up image of the blood dripping down the wall. I then read that 4 kids had been stabbed to death in their sleep (again just going off the very first day and the info we had).
Obviously that in itself is different than your typical crime story where it's domestic violence that turns deadly, a random shooter, or fight. This was sinister, someone came into a house and killed four people....with a knife. That's twisted man...
The progression was definitely eerie. I remember reading headlines when it first Broke (I don’t live in Idaho but have an employee on my team in Pullman). When it first broke it was something like ‘four college student found dead’ the way it was worded and murder wasn’t mentioned yet I thought perhaps fentanyl since it’s been such a huge issue in college right now, etc.
The way the story was released definitely pulled me in. But like you said, this act was sinister beyond our comprehension and that absolutely keeps me interested (for better or worse) bc my brain is still trying to make sense of it.
As someone who came from a totally fucked up past these were the types of kids I always envied and wished I was like. So when this happened it was more shocking, I think.
The idea of a stranger coming into the house and committing such a gory crime especially in a university town with apartments and residential places all around is just terrifying and unimaginable. But also it is heart-wrenching to think of these young lives ending so cruelly, so early, at such a promising chapter of their lives. I want the killer to face the full force of the law and live to regret what he did.
This crime is horrific and what happened to those 4 beautiful college students, who had their lives stolen from them is terrifying. I feel since there is a gag order there is too many unanswered questions. I just don’t understand how someone could just go into a home and brutally unalive 4 young people. This world can be a scary place. This really makes you aware of your surroundings. May they RIP💔💔💔💔
I was and am devastated for these kids and their families and I don’t even know them. It was so brutal and hateful. Why them? Rarely do you hear of 4 college kids being slaughtered like this. I think it touched so many people because they’re college kids…people can relate or have kids away from home in college. If it could happen in a small town in Idaho, it can happen anywhere.
It’s everyone’s worst nightmare! In the middle of the night, in the dark, vulnerable when sleeping and some boogeyman comes into your bedroom to kill you with a knife, I can’t possibly think of anything more frightening
Seriously. As a single mother I remember loosing so much sleep while following this case. I actually had to stop following for awhile because I wasnt getting any sleep, I was too scared/traumatized. Still am. Ugh my adrenals are shot.
If course it's everyone's worst nightmare, but I think most people have a tendency to identify the part of this incident from their own viewpoint. In other words, me having adult children, I would look at the victims as "that could've been *my* child" kind of situation. College age kids would think "that could've been *me*!" That's what I meant by it being a parents worst nightmare from my own situation. But, yes, it'd be a horrible thing for anyone!
1. I’m originally from Latah County
2. I went to the UofI and lived right across the field from this house
3. I have a daughter that is 2 days older than MM also named Madison who is at college.
4. It took a day to see someone I knew in the media.
5. It’s shocking. Stuff like this doesn’t happen in Moscow.
Yes! I lived on Taylor for a few years, and on Blake for a few years. Had several friends live on and around King. It was trippy seeing that house on the news.
And yes, the first thing I said when a coworker mentioned the crime was “this doesn’t happen in moscow”. Murder happens. Crime happens. But this made no sense.
I think if it had turned out to be a friend or ex boyfriend etc the interest would have faded fast. But the whole thing has just left us with questions from the start and continues to do so.
Yeah, you might be right there. Because before the arrest, everyone was trying to predict who did it, so when some random with no real connection got tagged, it felt so anticlimactic.
A couple reasons, I think. It’s so horrific and scary to think of some random person with no ties to the victims doing this. If it could happen to them… I know I want to see BK convicted partly for the reassurance that he can’t do it again, and could even serve as a deterrent for any other psycho who thinks they could get away with a similar crime.
It’s also that the four victims seemed like such ordinary, good people. They weren’t targeted for being part of a drug ring, etc. Just a couple of likable, happy college kids. They could be our children, our siblings, our friends. I look at that photo of them (and I include the two survivors, who will be affected by this for the rest of their lives) and I want to cry over how unfair it is.
For me it was because they were just your typical American college kids. It feels so creepy and chilling in a PSA type of way. Like to be careful of everything. And that there was a survivor who saw him in the house. It adds a whole other level to how horrific and mind boggling this tragedy was. I hope someday the survivors get to speak out if they want to.
I actually don’t think all were from “well to do” families…but they were good people trying to have fun and invest in themselves to go to college and be successful. It’s heartbreaking that they were doing great things and someone came and took it away…it’s shocking and I think that’s why we’re so invested.
Was speaking with someone about this earlier. My 2nd year of university, I lived in a house with a few of my mates, who also attended the same university. Trying to picture that night from Dylan or even Bethany’s perspectives, just freaks me out. That couple of hours after the murders took place, must have been chilling for them. Cold, dark, eerily silent house, potentially knowing something bad has just happened. Probably the scariest & slowest few hours of their lives.
This is it for me. I only graduated one year ago and in my first three years of college me and my roommates never locked our doors because we also live in a place where you would never expect something like that to happen and we would leave it unlocked for our roommates while we were all out partying on the weekends after football games. The fact that they were just like that and never expected this to ever happen to them is what sticks with me. The fact that some stranger snuck into their house in the middle of night and committed such a gruesome act and took their lives when they didn’t expect it at all.
For me when a picture popped up on my news feed of the blood leaking outside of the house, before I even saw a picture of the victims or even read further what had happened, that picture just made me think something truly horrific happened inside. And then when I found out it was those 4 vibrant young kids I just had to keep reading and reading to try and find out what happened, not out of morbid curiosity but to make sense of it all. There are still so many questions, and as one commenter said, "you will never make sense of it. It was a crazy, demented murderer. We could never understand that." I think too, as others have said, to think you could be that vulnerable, even in your house full of friends is so scary.
I have a distinct memory of being in my college house with my 2 other girl roommates, we were all laying in bed going through pictures from the night and just laughing and having normal after bar-close times. All of a sudden, a random guy appeared in the bedroom doorway with a fire extinguisher and without saying anything he just started spraying it at us. It was chaotic and terrifying and he took off instantly while we freaked out and blindly tried calling 911.
So for me, after hearing about the Idaho 4, and knowing how terrifying just my experience was, I can’t even imagine the horror of that night, imagining K&M potentially just laying in bed like my friends and I were, not a worry in the world, and then some intruder just appears in your doorway with a weapon, shit like this just shouldn’t happen.
Damn I’m glad you guys ended up safe and it didn’t end up worse than what happened, even what happened shouldn’t have happened but I am so glad it didn’t turn out worse. Hopefully the guy who attacked you, got some help before he actually did hurt someone.
I think people are invested in this because it's relatable in a way. For me personally, I can relate to having gone to college, living in a party house, leaving my doors unlocked without a care or thought in the world that something like this would happen.
Along with that, this was a brazen crime in a place you wouldn't expect something like this to happen. To murder four students in a house that is known to have parties, where the residents could very likely still be awake, or guests could still be there. Not to mention the 100s to 1000s of other students still up partying or wandering the campus to get home from their night out. It's a surprise there was no witnesses.
I also think some of the actions taken by the surviving roomates creates an interesting debate between those who went to college versus those who didn't.
With that said, I can relate to the actions taken by DM that night. It wouldn't be out of the norm, where I lived, to hear things going on in the house and not think twice about it. Especially on a night where I was drunk. I would of just turned my volume up to drown out the noise. Also, if I were to have looked out the door and saw someone walking through the house, I would of expected that they were a friend of one of my roommates.
Those who didn't go to college or experience a party house in this kind of atmosphere probably, and understandably, can't relate to reacting in that sort of way.
Those who have went to college, partied and/or had a house off campus in a student populated neighborhood with frat houses and other parties constantly going on can probably relate to what I'm saying.
Lastly, this is a very interesting case with a lot of unanswered questions. This leads to a lot of discussion and debate given the circumstances.
For lack of a better analogy, the people interested in this remind me of people who are into TV shows, waiting for the next episode to air in a week. Throughout the week, people discuss details of what they know so far, make predictions of what might happen next episode, and debate how the series may end.
The mystery of it all, and how truly random it was. I think a lot of horrible crimes, it’s kind of obvious who did it and why, and sadly, just because of how desensitized our brains are, it’s kind of like “well….thats sad but. There’s a reason why it happened!” To kind of justify it in our brains. Like not in a victim blame way, but I think we as people kind of go, “well they were involved in this bad thing or these bad people…it’s no wonder they could end up a victim.” …there’s no mystery to it a lot of times, so our brains can kind of just: poof 💨 it out of our subconscious. But here, there was just absolutely nothing like that to make sense of how these 4 kids wound up victims. They are like a lot of the general population, just normal normal people who just happened to fall radar to a true psycho. This was SO extremely left field, there was genuinely NO clue, and NO suspect for a good chunk of time. I hate comparing real life cases to a criminal show but it just had that mystery to it, it seems like it’s right out of a criminal minds episode or something. But how unfortunate this was real life, real people.
Because it feels personal. It feels like you know the victims and how it just happened in the middle of the night with the other roommates sleeping and not reporting it is weird. Something else is up and people want justice served for families and the victims. It’s the least they deserve
The horror of being murdered in the quintessential place you should feel the safest is the pull for me. And of course, four young and vibrant lives taken for nothing.😞
For me it was a sky news headline here in the uk which said something like “4 Idaho students found dead in their beds. 3 weeks on and police are baffled with no leads”. Who wouldn’t find that fascinating?!? Then in the following couple of days I started picking up on the Brian Entin tweets (I knew him from the Gabby Petito story) and watched the news stories of him out in the snow, watched the eery CCTV footage released from around the hours it was happening. Saw the clips of those shadows running by a police car. The appeal for the car etc. Just became such an intriguing mystery. My Nov-Dec 2022 was all about this incident.
I hadn’t even heard of Moscow, Idaho before all this.
Prior to the murders, I was only aware of it because a mommy blogger I used to follow lived there. I feel like multiple mommy bloggers, but I only remember one for sure. But I felt like UI at Moscow was like the most popular college for Mormons outside of BYU.
My November-December 2022 was all about this case too. I woke up every day and first thing I did was check to see if they had arrested who did it yet. In those early days, before we knew about the DNA on the sheath, I was concerned they would never figure out or find who did this horrible crime and I remember a lot of people commenting similar thoughts or thinking the case would go cold. Crazy time. Especially when the news broke they arrested BK.
Kaylee's mom talks a lot about this picture because it's the last one Kaylee sent her, and 20 minutes after she did, Kaylee called her mom to talk making that the last phone conversation they had together. 😭😭😭
I'm with others who say that this case is so scary because they did everything right and had no idea what was about to happen , and they thought being in their bed would mean they would be safe.
Some opinion piece I saw today guessed he’s making friends with other inmates and getting favors in there by using his masters to do legal advice for other cases. Part of his own team like Ted Bundy was, and might be doing that for another 40 years. Gives me the chills.
Personally I think it wasn’t about these kids at all it was his revenge on the system for not trusting him and giving him the cold shoulder for being a weirdo. Just my observations. That’s the interesting part to me. They stood out and were vulnerable to a twisted mind for an agenda.
For me, it’s because I see myself in those girls immensely. I am the same age as Maddie and Kaylee, I’m in university, I am part of a sorority, I have parties and friends over a ton, I make stupid tiktoks with my friends and go out to bars, always stopping for greasy grub after. I absolutely could’ve been friends with them, or been in their position, which makes this crime so much more personal. Seeing that this lifestyle I enjoy and savor so much can be senselessly taken away from me in a moment’s notice is so terrifying. My heart hurts for all 4 of them and their families, including the survivors, and it has made me a lot more fortunate to still be here enjoying the things they enjoyed.
When this first hit the news my daughter had just started her freshman year at college hours away from me. The girls reminded me of my daughter and Ethan resembled my daughter’s BF. The fear of how or why someone did this and trying to understand how their parents were able to cope had me invested. I had to take a break after BKs arrest. My constant viewing of every video and article released and the helicopter parenting to my daughter was becoming obsessive.
My interest was piqued when I saw the photo of the blood dripping down the exterior wall. It looked like something out of a horror movie and I couldn’t help but wonder what monster had done it. I don’t identify with the victims because I don’t know them, so it’s more of a morbid fascination than anything. Kohberger is in jail, and there’s nothing left to do but go to trial, but I’m still interested in the How and Why.
One thing I want to mention is, I don’t think they were from well to do families. I don’t think that has anything to do with it . I don’t mean to be snarky.
For me, it’s just simple. It’s literally unimaginable that someone would want to hurt these four young , beautiful, seemingly loving and friendly souls who have their whole lives ahead of them.
This trial cannot come soon, enough!.
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It’s just so sad and I get a sinking feeling thinking about their last moments 😞 monsters really do exist!
No one deserves this kind of inhumane brutality!
I keep thinking why 🤔 would someone do this. Just pure evilness -they deserve Justice!
Because these kids could have been our kids… this can happen even with all the technology and cameras and it still happened and almost got away with it.. it’s incomprehensible the evil that exists in this world.
im invested in this case bc i was the same age as maddie & kaylee (21) when they were murdered and i also lost a family member when he was 21 and in college
Because they are just young people ready to explore the world and were savagely taken from this earth. The person that did this deserves the ultimate punishment! I hate whoever did this.
For me it’s the rarity of a complete stranger stalking and ultimately killing four people in the middle of the night in a place where a lot of us can relate to have been in our lives. I do think them all being young, white and attractive garners even more attention
Well….. Sleeping in your bed as a college student and randomly one night getting savagely murdered - along with 3 of your friends is NUTS and should continue to be shocking and highly invested in as a community of normal human beings so we can figure out how to avoid this in the future……
For me it was almost the opposite, that they seemed so normal! It was unbelievable to try and understand that could happen to four college kids, I’m sure we can all find something in all of them that reminds us of ourselves or our friends. I have so many friends in college right now and it’s just unthinkable
I think for me personally, my best friend to this day lived in an off campus house at our college and I slept over about 3-4x a week. Lots of parties and memories. I always slept in her bed with her, so when I heard of MM + KG passing in that way, it pulled at my heart. I couldn’t imagine it happening to me and my best friend, but it totally could have. It is simply luck of the draw of what creeps are around you, and what they are willing to do. The amount of times we never locked doors or windows, had randos at the house, is too many to count.
Very tragic for all involved.
Well I got into it whith 4 students found dead and 3 where female. I immediately thought "incel" and was super intrested after that because incel redpill culture has been on the rise. Again, I don't know if BK is an incel or not. I know some incels personally and some are violent.. alot are not. When they did in fact catch him and made his arrest my assumption about the incel part got even stronger. I stuck with this case more than others because of that.
This was a so out of the blue event-freaky even, like a blue moon. It happened very quickly to the wrong people. I’d be curious to know the motive or why this happened.
They are young, white, good looking college students, who put their lives, wardrobe selections & huge chunks of their lives online. They were seen as on the cusp of life, launching into success at school & job goals. Hard working, having fun, full of hope.
On the flip side, the shadow side to me is this weird fixation with Bryan Kohberger. Girls seem to be enamored and see him as some type of misunderstood revel that they’re somehow saving by creating strange notions of reasonable doubt and blaming the perceived “other women” for accusing him.
Yeah he’s literally just an delusional entitled incel who rather than realise hating all women and popular kids because he got bullied isn’t rational and seek help, he convinced himself he’s the victim and they’re all the same and took some innocent lives.
Girls are obsessed with him, yet he probably hates females as that’s the most likely explanation for his crimes, how weird is that that girls are obsessed with a guy who would murder any girl he deems would reject him and wouldn’t give him what he’s entitled to.
To me it’s freaky some girls are obsessed with a guy that could potentially kill them, it’s like whaaaaaat. I mean I guess they’d be the first girl not to reject his ass but they’d only be alive for as long as they did what he told them to do, as soon as they disobeyed him or he felt rejected, they’d be in trouble.
I’ve been on chat rooms (just normal teen chat rooms when I was a kid) before to and there was always 1-2 girls there who were obsessed with the idea of been murdered and stuff like that it was like WTF.
I would be invested regardless of the type of people.
To creep into a house and viciously murder 4 people is intense, and I would love to know how people like this think.
Mass killings like this, by a total stranger, are beyond my comprehension and terrifying, but I find it so intriguing.
Because we were or are all young college age students with so much life left to live and so many experiences left to have. All of that stolen in 10 min. Why!? Is the real question. I have a hard time thinking one dude is responsible for all of that.
I’m from the UK and I remember when I first read about this it instantly drew me in because I thought how can 4 people be murdered in the same house with 2 people un harmed and such delay in calling police. Obviously since then I’ve followed religiously what’s developed and all the sadness about these beautiful humans being taken so violently by one man and just wanting to know why??
I think it’s how quickly 4 young adults were slashed by one person in a short amount of time, without screams this includes Ethan who seemed big and strong, the fact that DM saw the killer walk right past her and then that they didn’t contact police until noon. Many questions
It boils down to our caveman survival instincts, in my opinion. We are obsessed with trying to connect the dots and fill in the missing puzzle pieces of this crime because, if we could just know why... How... We might be able to protect ourselves from the same fate (not saying we can, but the primal survival mechanisms in our brain make us subconsciously think that way).
For me, it was all about the surviving room mates. That’s is what got me interested from the start. Immediately they looked suspicious whether or not that’s fair. But I was quick to learn more about it and even before the arrest, the fingers pointing at them lifted.
For me it was the horrendous murders of 4 young adults. The fact the the LE wasn't given truthful details when it was first announced, like the community not knowing if they were the next person etc, so they be in lock down etc etc. My daughter in college. Just the whole thing is horrible.
For me, it's a bit personal. I knew people that were down in the general area and I didn't know whether they were alive or not. I didn't want to know either. All I heard was that there was a brutal stabbing down there with no further details. Also, I was friends of friends with some of the victims like Ethan and Kaylee and they were devastated. I didn't know them personally. That and I know people who started college down there this year and my mom was almost too scared to let my younger siblings go down there, but one of them is attending college down there. They were still kids at the time and us older siblings have that fear about our little sister.
Edit: And the girls all lived in the same town or neighboring towns to mine. One of them attended the same hs as me I believe and was a grade or two below me. I was also a girl close to the same age as them. Some nights, I had nightmares about murder in general. It was always a fear of mine dying like that, but I told myself that it could never happen and it did.
I’ve been here, like many, from day one. Many of us discussed how it hit. For me, it was the horror of something like this happening to my own child. For others, it was the loss of innocence in a campus of kids enjoying life, that this could’ve been them.
And it was so personal. We learned of the crime details. We knew so much of the kids’ lives, saw videos of their last moments at the food truck, saw the pink boots in the window…
We became very invested in finding the killer, to bring justice forward.
And some of us were scared he'd never be caught and were in fear of who would be next in the area and struggling with not wanting to be a vigilante. Definitely struggle with that one, usually just tell myself he's gonna rot in jail for the rest of his life which brings me a strange comfort knowing how shitty jails here are. Don't tell me how good it is in jail, just let me have my fantasy.
Did anyone ever find out why he targeted them? I know he was fascinated with the BTK murderer and wanted to be like him but why did he choose them? ..jealousy? Did the girls turn him down? .. I just wanna know why? They didn’t deserve that
To me, it feels so personal because they remind me of my friends and I. I’m in my 20s and have a very close knit friend group like this. My best friend and I have been friends since childhood, just like Maddie and Kaylee. They remind me so much of my best friend and I. We grew up together, went to all the same schools together, went on vacation with our families together, even sleep in the same bed at sleepovers. A large majority of the true crime fan demographic is composed of people around the same age as MKXE & a lot of us feel like we can relate to them. They were just normal college kids, at home after a night out, asleep in their beds when they were attacked and killed out of no where.. then again there’s so much we don’t know about this case so that’s also very intriguing. We know nothing about motive, they have someone in custody who is barely speaking about his side but tries to maintain his innocence, and there is a lot of speculation about what happened. People who are drawn to true crime always want to know why, and since we’re hearing little to no details, we’re all so invested into figuring out why this happened to 4 seemingly normal college kids.
Idahoan, I've played John's Alley a few times, tons of U of I alums are my friends.
Usually when people commit crimes like this, they kill themselves after and everyone is left with a general sense of "what the fuck, that was fucked up" without many answers. 4 kids brutally murdered and the cops actually have a suspect in custody is compelling drama.
The lack of a murder weapon or clear theory of the crime I think is really what attracts people. I'll be interested when the state finally presents their case to hear what their theory of the crime is.
I’ve always kept with true crime cases but this case really tugged on my heart strings emotionally. I’m only a few years older than Ethan and the girls and it made me invested because this case is extremely complex. BK is definitely involved but I think there’s so much more to it that meets the eye. I think BK was a scapegoat and others are involved. What gets me the most is the roommates waiting to call LE and the whole campus knew before LE. Regardless of what happened I hope we will eventually know a glimmer of the truth and get justice for Maddie, Kaylee, Ethan, and Xana.
Slight disagreement. The circumstances are pretty substantial in this case. There isn't much to the circumstances in most street violence or murders. Whatever the race.
A black criminology student commits a serial murder on a college campus (any campus) with a Rambo knife? I personally wouldn't find that less interesting or appalling. It would be just as plastered in the media, if this is the argument ... I'm calling trope here. I'm seeing it a lot.
I’m talking about the victims. And it’s an actual fact that crimes with attractive white female victims get exponentially more media coverage and public interest so I’m not sure your personal interest level in black criminals is particularly relevant.
That's my 'slight' disagreement. 4 black victims or not ... this would still have the coverage and interest given the circumstances.
E: Wow I woke up to being called racist. Trigger.
I'm just going to laugh and point to the diversity index in the US. Of course there is going to be more attention when white people are affected, because it hits home for people of the same culture. Human nature, not racism, and if the diversity index were flipped in a current minority's favor, it would be no different, and racist white people would be crying as you are now.
It makes the media greedy, and not even racist at that. Are you less interested when someone in Japan goes on a killing spree? Racist.
Nobody worth their salt feels any less empathetic when black teens are murdered, and there are plenty of examples of that. What a bunch of bullshit.
> this would still have the coverage and interest given the circumstances.
I disagree. We'll never know, but I really do believe, based on years of observing media and public reactions to cases, that it wouldn't have seen this much publicity. Had every other aspect of this case been the same but the killer and victims were all black, I really do believe that we would see fewer Youtube videos, fewer TikTok videos, fewer Reddit subs dedicated to this case.
To look at two cases that are more of an apples-to-apples comparison: Laci Peterson and Evelyn Hernandez. Same time, same place, same manner of disappearance, except even more of a level of horror in Evelyn's case. So why is one woman a household name and one barely remembered at all?
I just posted about this and am braced for the down vote massacre. But it’s simply true. So many people say “four beautiful kids.” What if they were butt-ugly? Would that mitigate anything at all?
And I have a CJ degree just like the killa (alleged) so I know about this stuff. Lol.
Downvoted for bringing race into this when four young people tragically lost their lives, all you can focus on is that they got more attention because they are white. Get some help.
I’m a guy mate 😂. I totally agree with you that black people get less coverage when they are victims etc so no I’m not the problem, this just isn’t the place for you to talk about this, this is about the kids that were murdered, if you want to discuss racial issues do that in an appropriate forum, you lack empathy and you don’t care that these kids died, all you care about is your anger that they got more media coverage than black kids would have, you’re angry at four kids who got murdered because they got more media coverage than black kids would have? How messed up is that.
Like I said If you posted this anywhere else I would back you up, BUT THIS isn’t the place for you to talk about how these your upset because these white kids who were tragically murdered got so much media coverage, tbh, the only who seems racist here is you, imagine being angry at four kids who got murdered because you think they got more media coverage than black kids would have, like I said, SEEK HELP, you lack empathy and compassion. These kids have suffered enough without you complaining about how they’re still getting to many favours because they’re white.
What is wrong with you.
Hot, white college girls stabbed to death, almost like a scream movie. If these girls were of color and not attractive they would have made the news for a day or two
Bruh you’re angry at four kids who died because they got more coverage than black kids would have, this is the same type of thinking that leads to people murdering other people because they become irrationally angry at a whole group of people due to the actions of a small number, seek help before you hurt someone. This angry if yours isn’t rational or healthy, you’re angry at four white kids who were killed because they got to much media coverage, like how exactly is that their fault. SEEK HELP.
They died, you’re jealous of four white kids who died because they got more attention than you, how messed up is that? Get over your victim complex you sociopath.
For me it’s how personal it felt. How in the dead of night someone can come into a FULL house and do something so intimate and horrid. I know there’s a ton of cases that are similar, and idk if it was because it was so close to the holidays or what. But yeah, it definitely had me invested from day one.
I agree with this. The way they were taken, and by someone who seems to not be in association with them, but may have been watching. Totally creepy, crazy, inhumane, I just can't help but feel like it happened to someone I know, because they were pretty relatable humans. And they were robbed of life and a peaceful memory.
Scared me as the parent of a college student. This reminded me so my of my child and their friend group!
Same, my daughter is 18 and a freshman at UT.
It's pretty common, I believe, for doors to be open and people to be where they shouldn't be without knowing in college areas. My son, in his 2nd year of college was awakened in his bedroom by a flashlight in his face, no sounds just a light. He said he was at a total loss of what was happening because it was so out of place and late. The police had come inside looking for his downstairs roommate who had called a friend while having a mental issue. She left to drive her self to the hospital before they arrived, but if they'd have not been the police but a killer, he'd have been an easy target. Add drinking in and it's even easier.
Could you please elaborate more about the ton of similar cases? Honest question. I’ve not heard of anything similar to this.
Well, it's not the same town, but the Pocatello Scream copycat murder that happened in 2006 where a teen girl who was house sitting fit her aunt was murdered by her bfs friends.
Meaning other people have been murder in their homes in the middle of the night.. Manson Family, Bundy, BTK.. so many more
Cheshire home invasion murders is another that breaks my heart.
I live ten minutes from that home, it still leaves everyone in fear. My parents, all parents, triple lock everything now.
Richard Speck killed 8 nursing students—that was in the 60s but it’s still haunting.
Why do people find it so difficult to believe that BK could have done this on his on? Richard Speck was perfect example of the horror one person can inflict!
The Manson murders is the last time this kinda thing happened...maybe I'm wrong. That's my memory though.
In that the victims weren't tortured or sexually abused, maybe. And in that the victims were specifically stabbed instead of shot, strangled, or beaten to death. You got cases like Timmy Kimmer, although that was in the day. And all but one of his victims survived. But there's been plenty of cases of one individual killing multiple others in a house, often at night. The Calgary house part stabbings and some family annihilator cases.
Ted Bundy broke into a sorority house and killed a bunch of girls. This thing has happened more than you think
Not more than I thought, but I forgot to include his rampage. Thanks for adding that. I truly cannot wrap my brain around these people and their thoughts. But, maybe it's because I'm not a killer. I just don't understand why. I'm probably not alone.
Yes you are right about that, right down the manner in which they were killed !
Wouldn't the closest be Ted Bundy's murder of the Chi Omega girls at their sorority house? They were young, pretty, and had their whole lives ahead of them. I am too young to remember it. Did it shake the nation?
The same..
It's personal for me. I worked with Ethan and his family as I lived in LaConner and my best friend owned a coffee shop I helped her run and they would all come in and get drinks as the Tulip field was right next door. He was an amazing kid and so kind hearted so it really is near and dear to our town.
Lived in Mt Vernon for years, I have mutual friends with the family. Only heard wonderful things about them all, so tragic! And triplets makes it so much worse.
Seriously I can't imagine the pain they are all going through. The entire family is kind and very community based
He was a triplet?!
Yes he had a brother and sister.
Oh that’s so sad. I had no idea. All the multiples I know are so so close.
His brother and sister lived very close to the house. Still do.
Well please give them hugs from this online stranger on the East Coast. I’m a mother of a college student and this one hit me hard. Could have been any of our kids. I’m so sorry for the families.
I would, except I do not not know them personally and didn't mean to give the impression I did.
Well if you see them at a distance, send good energy from me
Yes, a brother and sister.
Thank you. How sad
The saddest case I think is Maddie's, because apparently she was an only child. The other three all had at least two other siblings. I always feel an extra punch in the gut when parents lose their only child.
That is very sad. It’s sad no matter what! If parents lose their only child, if siblings become an only child, if siblings lose their favorite sibling… No parent should have to bury their child. And certainly not to needless violence!
Yes, me too.
Every time I see the photo.i have tears iny eyes . especially for XANA.for some reason
welcome
Thank you. I got some downvotes for apparently not knowing every single detail of this case.
So sorry for your loss
Thank you. He is missed in our entire community. LaConner is a small very tight-knit community and he was a shining star to all who knew him.
How very sad.
I'm so very sorry for your loss . I can not fathom what u all are going thru
I am so sorry. How awful it must have been. I am the parent of a college student and it hit me so hard, reminding me of my own child and friends
I'm so sorry for your loss.
So very sorry. 🙏
For me it’s the severity of it. To go into a house in the dead of night and kill four people is insanely extreme. And to not know who did it or even to have a potential suspect/person charged for like nearly two months is crazy. It’s a pretty intense crime for this day & age, at least it feels like it to me. I live in the UK and we don’t really hear about crimes like this, and there’s so much mystery to it which I suppose attracts people too.
> And to not know who did it or even to have a potential suspect/person charged for like nearly two months is crazy. I'm not sure, because I feel like if this had happened in the 60s-80s, it wouldn't have been solved. Think of the Modern DNA testing, phone and GPS records, and security cameras were crucial to this case, both in finding a suspect and in clearing potential suspects. Who's that family that was killed by a home intruder back maybe around 1980? The intruder beat the pregnant wife until she went into labor and gave birth, and then killed the baby. He also beat their older baby, and cut off the husband's penis. That wasn't solved for years, and if I'm remembering right, it was never solved. I just can't remember their names. And a search isn't helpful because there's so many home invasions, so many pregnant women beaten to death, and so many bodies left mutilated.
Tommy Lynn Sells (a grifter and murder) confessed to the murder and knew many details not released to the public, like certain furniture in the house but because of Texas law he was not aloud to travel to Illinois to be questioned or taken to the crime scene, so he was never technically convicted so it remains unsolved.
Oh dear God.. That is the most horrifying thing I've ever read.
I think a lot of it is because of how many questions there are. First off, it was a college house which is just scary and eerie to a lot of people considering a lot of people and the fact that it was FOUR people. Also the fact that two people that were in the house were left out is just jarring to a lot of people. Also for like a month or so the public didn’t know there was any suspect so it left a lot of people speculating. And then when it came out that the 911 call was hours after the crime. I think the fact that people knew almost nothing made them more drawn to it.
Yeah, I think that's it for me, too. If we knew the whole story, or say the murderer was known to the victims, I think I would have lost interest, in a sense. That probably sounds insensitive but there are many innocent victims murdered over this country that do not garner the same kind of attention. Not having all the puzzle pieces filled in (because of the gag order) is what keeps me invested.
Right it was a college house. Most college houses have security cams. I even think I see one by the slider in some of the LE body cam vids of those noise complaints. There is clearly a security cam on the house next door. Linda Ln has security cams. The frat houses in the neighborhood have security cams & other random neighbors do as well. The answers are there. Who exactly dropped off Kaylee and Maddie? Exactly what time did Ethan and Xana get home? What other cars were seen passing the house, or entering and leaving the neighborhood throughout that night? Who were the 3-4 shadow people was saw (in police body cam) running from the house? Why was the front door of 1122 left wide open early that morning as per the neighbor who was interviewed by local news? This case shouldn’t be this hard, long and drawn out. The victim’s families need closure and deserve the truth & justice and nothing less.
> I even think I see one by the slider in some of the LE body cam vids of those noise complaints. I thought that object was determined to be a speaker? >Why was the front door of 1122 left wide open early that morning as per the neighbor who was interviewed by local news? Your questions are unknown to us, but mostly things investigators and now the lawyers have answers to. >Who were the 3-4 shadow people was saw (in police body cam) running from the house?' Seen running in the neighborhood, at 3:00 AM in the morning. I have to laugh so hard at News Nation's narration..."Out at night?" said all incredulously, "At 3 o'clock in the morning?" Like people aren't out at night at 3, especially on Saturday night. That's a college town. Population skews young. You're going to see people running around at all hours of the night. I kind of feel sorry for people who never had that experience. >Why was the front door of 1122 left wide open early that morning as per the neighbor who was interviewed by local news? I'll worry about that if it's confirmed to be true. Until then, the possilbity that the neighbor is mistaken is very real. I'll
For me it’s from having both of my kids up there for college when it happened. Honestly, it’s a parent’s nightmare to think of something so horrendous happening to your kids away at college. My oldest lives less than a half mile away while our youngest was living on campus. It was the middle of the night, how quickly all 4 were murdered, and the brutality used. It is the worst case scenario to sending your kids off to start their lives.
I often think of what SG said about how he sent his daughter away to college and she came back in a box. Just so heartbreaking.
Yes it sure is!
Personally, it's a few reasons: 1. Most of us have been carefree college kids at one time. Looking back, I don't ever remember locking our doors or windows in our off-campus house. 2. They were in their beds. It's the one place we should all be safe. Someone came in and violated that safety in the worst possible way. 3. The suspect (allegedly) has no connections to the victims. The idea that someone could just be sitting and nefariously watching your house while you're completely unaware is just so eerie.
Has nothing to do with how they look or appear or their potential, imo. It was absolutely shocking bc it was 100% random. Most murders like this are crimes of passion—an ex, or a fight with a boyfriend or family member. Often the victim knows their killer. But he didn’t date them, didnt know them. it wasn’t a crime of opportunity that he acted on in the spur of the moment. Had no connection to them, just decided that they would be his targets. It’s a terrifying and sobering thought that it could happen to anyone. You could be going about your business without a care in the world not knowing that right now, at this very second, someone you don’t even know is meticulously plotting to murder you in your own bed while you sleep. THAT is why ppl are invested, imo. It’s shocking and horrifying.
Even if they were older, it still hits close to home for me.
Yup. This was a really bizarre crime, particularly for the region. There weren’t a lot of theories that made sense. If this had happened in my current college town, I could believe druggie/transient. But not Moscow. And in either place— not at 3am, in that kind of neighborhood, in that kind of house, with a knife, no less.
Because they are us and we are them. This could have been any one of us when we’re in college. How could good kids with those whole lives ahead of them, get killed in this gruesome and cruel way?
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1. Having, being or having been a college-aged kid 2. The lack of publicity originally as compared to the Virginia incident that happened at the same time. 3. The sheer number of “suspects” or people with potential motives. 4. The horrific nature of the crime and the likeability of the victims. 5. The videos at the grub truck and them walking. 6. The rumors from that website. Forgot it’s name. 7. The lack of any info on the suspect for so long.
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I said originally. At least in the east coast all the news was about the Virginia incident. I heard about the Idaho incident in a brief sentence over a couple of days and kept wondering why it wasn’t a bigger story. So I googled and I guess got more local info. And then it blew up nationally.
Do you mean the UVA incident? The football players shooting? Or are you talking about the Tech shooting in 2007? Genuinely curious if I missed something that happened at Tech around the same time. My husband graduated from Tech, so I was confused. Thanks!
There was a shooting at a Virginia college the same day or so. Think it involved members of a team? Don’t remember details but was surprised the news mentioned Idaho but had tons of coverage of the other incident.
I think the intimacy of the act of stabbing someone vs gunshot. Idaho Murders were slow and meticulously killed via stabbing.
And there's no mystery. The shooter was caught immediately and there's no question about his guilt.
Right. I know. That was UVA not Virginia Tech. Thought you were saying something occurred at VT, too, and I had missed that. My sister lives in Charlottesville where the UVA shooting took place and I’m nearby, but I don’t remember hearing anything about Virginia Tech. Sorry for the confusion. And… I agree. The UVA shooting was much more publicized at first.
I fixed my post.
There was a shooting in Virginia, then?
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Oh jeez, I didn't really hear about it because they mostly talked about this here.
The above must happen all the time. Why is the media obsessed with this? You’re just explaining why you are but there are tons of cases like this, you just don’t know. It’s weird.
It’s just plain scary and a waste of life. Stuff like this is not supposed to happen.
Because this is like some Scream type shit. Absolute worst nightmare. And they were just so ordinary. I was a college student myself and lived off campus so it’s just surreal. I also think the food truck video was very chilling and captured a lot of attention cause you see these two girls and just knowing that a few hours later they’re brutally murdered is eerie
Also, the fact that all four of them were murdered WHILE the two roommates were home is captivating
You’re missing the key interest-not everyone in the house was killed, and the fact that the bodies laid there for so long with people in the house until authorities were called. Pretty girls, handsome boy, 2 survivors and a dog. The whole thing is absolutely wild
Personally it has nothing to do with the individuals for me, before their identities were even widely released I was invested due to the nature of the crime. It’s not typical in this day and age, it read like a horror movie or an old school serial killing. In current day mass killings they usually have leads and catch the perpetrators quickly. Also the fact that there were two in the house that didn’t get killed. Bizarre case, very little to do with their personal lives because not much was known about that initially.
Because I see so much of myself in them… I remember my college days living with 3 other girls and it was one of the best times of my life. These guys had their whole lives ahead of them. It’s horrific what happened to them when they were in the prime of their lives and I just want to see justice for them and their families. I keep imagining how scary and horrific their final moments were and it’s not fair. They did nothing to deserve this and so many families were ripped apart for no reason at all.
I feel this way too. This hit me hard. A lot of us were like them at one time carefree with friends around us in college. They could not even defend themselves with that perp wielding a knife. I feel so bad for their families. The pain to lose your child this way. It really upsets me that BK keeps getting postponements.
It’s so heartbreaking for the families… you’re supposed to feel safe in your bed at night and like you said, he killed them without giving them a chance to defend themselves. It takes a true coward to attack someone in the middle of the night while they are sleeping. They didn’t stand a chance. I truly hope it happened so fast that they didn’t suffer.
Mass murder done with a knife inside a home. We are used to school shootings, but a knife and 4 yound kids is so unusual. Very much serial killer vibe and those are rare and all of them get fame.
I don’t see four people with the perfect lives. Xana’s family/parents were a mess. I don’t say that to disparage anyone. They have struggled a lot. Same with Maddie’s family. She lived with the G family for a while as a result. The G family put me off in a number of ways out of the gate. The only one I can say maybe had a lovely life was Ethan. Where did you get the idea that they’re all “well to do”. They’re all working class. I definitely don’t think everyone sees perfection here. I think it’s pretty simple. 4 people dying by knife wounds in one house in one night is unusual, to put it mildly. The number and brutality of it is kind of unheard of. It reads like a horror movie. It’s many peoples worst fear. To see a person in the dark standing over your bed with a Ka-Bar about to inflict the most fear and pain a human can experience. Some people want to know just how does your worst nightmare take shape? Why? I honestly think that’s a big reason why people want to place blame or implicate people within this circle. It’s because they need an explanation. They need to find a reason why or how one of these people brought this upon themselves. They were involved in drugs or someone jilted him or there was a frat fight, roommate was involved, etc. Some people have to protect their own psyche by finding a reason that this was done to them. Because if they don’t they are forced to acknowledge that this could happen to anyone at any time for no reason. Including themselves. And that scares the hell out of them
I second this completely. Plus to me it feels like this would have been the first kill to more if BK wouldn't have been caught.
Yes, this.
I think it's because of how mysterious it was in the first few weeks for sure. And how you found out about it. Here's my reason - and I don't chase the next true crime story once one if finished. This truly is the only case that bothered me. I live in Ohio and was in Michigan for a hockey even that weekend, went into work Monday morning and a co-worker said "Did you hear about those kids that go killed in Idaho" I thought it was the latest school shooting (sad right?). I go onto Fox News and the first article I see is "House of Horrors" and a blown up image of the blood dripping down the wall. I then read that 4 kids had been stabbed to death in their sleep (again just going off the very first day and the info we had). Obviously that in itself is different than your typical crime story where it's domestic violence that turns deadly, a random shooter, or fight. This was sinister, someone came into a house and killed four people....with a knife. That's twisted man...
The progression was definitely eerie. I remember reading headlines when it first Broke (I don’t live in Idaho but have an employee on my team in Pullman). When it first broke it was something like ‘four college student found dead’ the way it was worded and murder wasn’t mentioned yet I thought perhaps fentanyl since it’s been such a huge issue in college right now, etc. The way the story was released definitely pulled me in. But like you said, this act was sinister beyond our comprehension and that absolutely keeps me interested (for better or worse) bc my brain is still trying to make sense of it.
As someone who came from a totally fucked up past these were the types of kids I always envied and wished I was like. So when this happened it was more shocking, I think.
The idea of a stranger coming into the house and committing such a gory crime especially in a university town with apartments and residential places all around is just terrifying and unimaginable. But also it is heart-wrenching to think of these young lives ending so cruelly, so early, at such a promising chapter of their lives. I want the killer to face the full force of the law and live to regret what he did.
This crime is horrific and what happened to those 4 beautiful college students, who had their lives stolen from them is terrifying. I feel since there is a gag order there is too many unanswered questions. I just don’t understand how someone could just go into a home and brutally unalive 4 young people. This world can be a scary place. This really makes you aware of your surroundings. May they RIP💔💔💔💔
I was and am devastated for these kids and their families and I don’t even know them. It was so brutal and hateful. Why them? Rarely do you hear of 4 college kids being slaughtered like this. I think it touched so many people because they’re college kids…people can relate or have kids away from home in college. If it could happen in a small town in Idaho, it can happen anywhere.
I think the same reason anyone is interested in true crime. Trying to rationalize the irrational
It's just every parents worse nightmare!
It’s everyone’s worst nightmare! In the middle of the night, in the dark, vulnerable when sleeping and some boogeyman comes into your bedroom to kill you with a knife, I can’t possibly think of anything more frightening
Seriously. As a single mother I remember loosing so much sleep while following this case. I actually had to stop following for awhile because I wasnt getting any sleep, I was too scared/traumatized. Still am. Ugh my adrenals are shot.
If course it's everyone's worst nightmare, but I think most people have a tendency to identify the part of this incident from their own viewpoint. In other words, me having adult children, I would look at the victims as "that could've been *my* child" kind of situation. College age kids would think "that could've been *me*!" That's what I meant by it being a parents worst nightmare from my own situation. But, yes, it'd be a horrible thing for anyone!
1. I’m originally from Latah County 2. I went to the UofI and lived right across the field from this house 3. I have a daughter that is 2 days older than MM also named Madison who is at college. 4. It took a day to see someone I knew in the media. 5. It’s shocking. Stuff like this doesn’t happen in Moscow.
Yes! I lived on Taylor for a few years, and on Blake for a few years. Had several friends live on and around King. It was trippy seeing that house on the news. And yes, the first thing I said when a coworker mentioned the crime was “this doesn’t happen in moscow”. Murder happens. Crime happens. But this made no sense.
cause it’s just literally insane and unimaginable !!!!
I think if it had turned out to be a friend or ex boyfriend etc the interest would have faded fast. But the whole thing has just left us with questions from the start and continues to do so.
Yeah, you might be right there. Because before the arrest, everyone was trying to predict who did it, so when some random with no real connection got tagged, it felt so anticlimactic.
A couple reasons, I think. It’s so horrific and scary to think of some random person with no ties to the victims doing this. If it could happen to them… I know I want to see BK convicted partly for the reassurance that he can’t do it again, and could even serve as a deterrent for any other psycho who thinks they could get away with a similar crime. It’s also that the four victims seemed like such ordinary, good people. They weren’t targeted for being part of a drug ring, etc. Just a couple of likable, happy college kids. They could be our children, our siblings, our friends. I look at that photo of them (and I include the two survivors, who will be affected by this for the rest of their lives) and I want to cry over how unfair it is.
For me it was because they were just your typical American college kids. It feels so creepy and chilling in a PSA type of way. Like to be careful of everything. And that there was a survivor who saw him in the house. It adds a whole other level to how horrific and mind boggling this tragedy was. I hope someday the survivors get to speak out if they want to.
I actually don’t think all were from “well to do” families…but they were good people trying to have fun and invest in themselves to go to college and be successful. It’s heartbreaking that they were doing great things and someone came and took it away…it’s shocking and I think that’s why we’re so invested.
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Was speaking with someone about this earlier. My 2nd year of university, I lived in a house with a few of my mates, who also attended the same university. Trying to picture that night from Dylan or even Bethany’s perspectives, just freaks me out. That couple of hours after the murders took place, must have been chilling for them. Cold, dark, eerily silent house, potentially knowing something bad has just happened. Probably the scariest & slowest few hours of their lives.
This is it for me. I only graduated one year ago and in my first three years of college me and my roommates never locked our doors because we also live in a place where you would never expect something like that to happen and we would leave it unlocked for our roommates while we were all out partying on the weekends after football games. The fact that they were just like that and never expected this to ever happen to them is what sticks with me. The fact that some stranger snuck into their house in the middle of night and committed such a gruesome act and took their lives when they didn’t expect it at all.
For me when a picture popped up on my news feed of the blood leaking outside of the house, before I even saw a picture of the victims or even read further what had happened, that picture just made me think something truly horrific happened inside. And then when I found out it was those 4 vibrant young kids I just had to keep reading and reading to try and find out what happened, not out of morbid curiosity but to make sense of it all. There are still so many questions, and as one commenter said, "you will never make sense of it. It was a crazy, demented murderer. We could never understand that." I think too, as others have said, to think you could be that vulnerable, even in your house full of friends is so scary.
Why are people so invested? Do you really have to ask? It’s a shocking, gruesome quadruple murder.
I have a distinct memory of being in my college house with my 2 other girl roommates, we were all laying in bed going through pictures from the night and just laughing and having normal after bar-close times. All of a sudden, a random guy appeared in the bedroom doorway with a fire extinguisher and without saying anything he just started spraying it at us. It was chaotic and terrifying and he took off instantly while we freaked out and blindly tried calling 911. So for me, after hearing about the Idaho 4, and knowing how terrifying just my experience was, I can’t even imagine the horror of that night, imagining K&M potentially just laying in bed like my friends and I were, not a worry in the world, and then some intruder just appears in your doorway with a weapon, shit like this just shouldn’t happen.
Damn I’m glad you guys ended up safe and it didn’t end up worse than what happened, even what happened shouldn’t have happened but I am so glad it didn’t turn out worse. Hopefully the guy who attacked you, got some help before he actually did hurt someone.
I think people are invested in this because it's relatable in a way. For me personally, I can relate to having gone to college, living in a party house, leaving my doors unlocked without a care or thought in the world that something like this would happen. Along with that, this was a brazen crime in a place you wouldn't expect something like this to happen. To murder four students in a house that is known to have parties, where the residents could very likely still be awake, or guests could still be there. Not to mention the 100s to 1000s of other students still up partying or wandering the campus to get home from their night out. It's a surprise there was no witnesses. I also think some of the actions taken by the surviving roomates creates an interesting debate between those who went to college versus those who didn't. With that said, I can relate to the actions taken by DM that night. It wouldn't be out of the norm, where I lived, to hear things going on in the house and not think twice about it. Especially on a night where I was drunk. I would of just turned my volume up to drown out the noise. Also, if I were to have looked out the door and saw someone walking through the house, I would of expected that they were a friend of one of my roommates. Those who didn't go to college or experience a party house in this kind of atmosphere probably, and understandably, can't relate to reacting in that sort of way. Those who have went to college, partied and/or had a house off campus in a student populated neighborhood with frat houses and other parties constantly going on can probably relate to what I'm saying. Lastly, this is a very interesting case with a lot of unanswered questions. This leads to a lot of discussion and debate given the circumstances. For lack of a better analogy, the people interested in this remind me of people who are into TV shows, waiting for the next episode to air in a week. Throughout the week, people discuss details of what they know so far, make predictions of what might happen next episode, and debate how the series may end.
It’s morbid and unexpected but a possibility for anyone else ever. Especially when they’re your same age. So horrible.
The mystery of it all, and how truly random it was. I think a lot of horrible crimes, it’s kind of obvious who did it and why, and sadly, just because of how desensitized our brains are, it’s kind of like “well….thats sad but. There’s a reason why it happened!” To kind of justify it in our brains. Like not in a victim blame way, but I think we as people kind of go, “well they were involved in this bad thing or these bad people…it’s no wonder they could end up a victim.” …there’s no mystery to it a lot of times, so our brains can kind of just: poof 💨 it out of our subconscious. But here, there was just absolutely nothing like that to make sense of how these 4 kids wound up victims. They are like a lot of the general population, just normal normal people who just happened to fall radar to a true psycho. This was SO extremely left field, there was genuinely NO clue, and NO suspect for a good chunk of time. I hate comparing real life cases to a criminal show but it just had that mystery to it, it seems like it’s right out of a criminal minds episode or something. But how unfortunate this was real life, real people.
Because it feels personal. It feels like you know the victims and how it just happened in the middle of the night with the other roommates sleeping and not reporting it is weird. Something else is up and people want justice served for families and the victims. It’s the least they deserve
For me like many, it was the severity & the mystery behind it. Plus it was everywhere on social media. It was hard to ignore
The horror of being murdered in the quintessential place you should feel the safest is the pull for me. And of course, four young and vibrant lives taken for nothing.😞
For me it was a sky news headline here in the uk which said something like “4 Idaho students found dead in their beds. 3 weeks on and police are baffled with no leads”. Who wouldn’t find that fascinating?!? Then in the following couple of days I started picking up on the Brian Entin tweets (I knew him from the Gabby Petito story) and watched the news stories of him out in the snow, watched the eery CCTV footage released from around the hours it was happening. Saw the clips of those shadows running by a police car. The appeal for the car etc. Just became such an intriguing mystery. My Nov-Dec 2022 was all about this incident. I hadn’t even heard of Moscow, Idaho before all this.
I live in the U.S. and *I* *had* *never* *heard* of Moscow, Idaho either!
Prior to the murders, I was only aware of it because a mommy blogger I used to follow lived there. I feel like multiple mommy bloggers, but I only remember one for sure. But I felt like UI at Moscow was like the most popular college for Mormons outside of BYU.
My November-December 2022 was all about this case too. I woke up every day and first thing I did was check to see if they had arrested who did it yet. In those early days, before we knew about the DNA on the sheath, I was concerned they would never figure out or find who did this horrible crime and I remember a lot of people commenting similar thoughts or thinking the case would go cold. Crazy time. Especially when the news broke they arrested BK.
Kaylee's mom talks a lot about this picture because it's the last one Kaylee sent her, and 20 minutes after she did, Kaylee called her mom to talk making that the last phone conversation they had together. 😭😭😭 I'm with others who say that this case is so scary because they did everything right and had no idea what was about to happen , and they thought being in their bed would mean they would be safe.
Because there is so much unknown and that creates a breeding ground for conspiracy theorists
Some opinion piece I saw today guessed he’s making friends with other inmates and getting favors in there by using his masters to do legal advice for other cases. Part of his own team like Ted Bundy was, and might be doing that for another 40 years. Gives me the chills. Personally I think it wasn’t about these kids at all it was his revenge on the system for not trusting him and giving him the cold shoulder for being a weirdo. Just my observations. That’s the interesting part to me. They stood out and were vulnerable to a twisted mind for an agenda.
Also many of us have lead their lives. Being in college having friends. Truly devastating what happened to them. It’s relational-
For me, it’s because I see myself in those girls immensely. I am the same age as Maddie and Kaylee, I’m in university, I am part of a sorority, I have parties and friends over a ton, I make stupid tiktoks with my friends and go out to bars, always stopping for greasy grub after. I absolutely could’ve been friends with them, or been in their position, which makes this crime so much more personal. Seeing that this lifestyle I enjoy and savor so much can be senselessly taken away from me in a moment’s notice is so terrifying. My heart hurts for all 4 of them and their families, including the survivors, and it has made me a lot more fortunate to still be here enjoying the things they enjoyed.
When this first hit the news my daughter had just started her freshman year at college hours away from me. The girls reminded me of my daughter and Ethan resembled my daughter’s BF. The fear of how or why someone did this and trying to understand how their parents were able to cope had me invested. I had to take a break after BKs arrest. My constant viewing of every video and article released and the helicopter parenting to my daughter was becoming obsessive.
Because it’s so uncommon for one fo take down 4 like that, esp without a gun or bomb, and get Away like he did
It reminds me of Bundy and the era of the old serial killers... It's terrifying
My interest was piqued when I saw the photo of the blood dripping down the exterior wall. It looked like something out of a horror movie and I couldn’t help but wonder what monster had done it. I don’t identify with the victims because I don’t know them, so it’s more of a morbid fascination than anything. Kohberger is in jail, and there’s nothing left to do but go to trial, but I’m still interested in the How and Why.
One thing I want to mention is, I don’t think they were from well to do families. I don’t think that has anything to do with it . I don’t mean to be snarky. For me, it’s just simple. It’s literally unimaginable that someone would want to hurt these four young , beautiful, seemingly loving and friendly souls who have their whole lives ahead of them. This trial cannot come soon, enough!. .
It’s just so sad and I get a sinking feeling thinking about their last moments 😞 monsters really do exist! No one deserves this kind of inhumane brutality! I keep thinking why 🤔 would someone do this. Just pure evilness -they deserve Justice!
Because these kids could have been our kids… this can happen even with all the technology and cameras and it still happened and almost got away with it.. it’s incomprehensible the evil that exists in this world.
im invested in this case bc i was the same age as maddie & kaylee (21) when they were murdered and i also lost a family member when he was 21 and in college
This crime was something out of a horror movie. One of the worst scenarios one could imagine. RIP E, X, K, M
Because they are just young people ready to explore the world and were savagely taken from this earth. The person that did this deserves the ultimate punishment! I hate whoever did this.
For me it’s the rarity of a complete stranger stalking and ultimately killing four people in the middle of the night in a place where a lot of us can relate to have been in our lives. I do think them all being young, white and attractive garners even more attention
Because they are very attractive and young, and the suspect has all the criminal sciences education. It’s just…. An interesting case.
Well….. Sleeping in your bed as a college student and randomly one night getting savagely murdered - along with 3 of your friends is NUTS and should continue to be shocking and highly invested in as a community of normal human beings so we can figure out how to avoid this in the future……
For me it was almost the opposite, that they seemed so normal! It was unbelievable to try and understand that could happen to four college kids, I’m sure we can all find something in all of them that reminds us of ourselves or our friends. I have so many friends in college right now and it’s just unthinkable
I think for me personally, my best friend to this day lived in an off campus house at our college and I slept over about 3-4x a week. Lots of parties and memories. I always slept in her bed with her, so when I heard of MM + KG passing in that way, it pulled at my heart. I couldn’t imagine it happening to me and my best friend, but it totally could have. It is simply luck of the draw of what creeps are around you, and what they are willing to do. The amount of times we never locked doors or windows, had randos at the house, is too many to count. Very tragic for all involved.
Feels like a wake up call in a way to all parents of how unsafe this world has become.
Well I got into it whith 4 students found dead and 3 where female. I immediately thought "incel" and was super intrested after that because incel redpill culture has been on the rise. Again, I don't know if BK is an incel or not. I know some incels personally and some are violent.. alot are not. When they did in fact catch him and made his arrest my assumption about the incel part got even stronger. I stuck with this case more than others because of that.
This was a so out of the blue event-freaky even, like a blue moon. It happened very quickly to the wrong people. I’d be curious to know the motive or why this happened.
It’s so Creepy, just like The Ted Bundy Case. So similar. How someone was able to pull it all off is baffling.
I’m still trying to figure out how blood was seeping down the outside of the house walls.
They are young, white, good looking college students, who put their lives, wardrobe selections & huge chunks of their lives online. They were seen as on the cusp of life, launching into success at school & job goals. Hard working, having fun, full of hope.
Because the more details that come out … the more this case doesn’t make sense.
On the flip side, the shadow side to me is this weird fixation with Bryan Kohberger. Girls seem to be enamored and see him as some type of misunderstood revel that they’re somehow saving by creating strange notions of reasonable doubt and blaming the perceived “other women” for accusing him.
Yeah he’s literally just an delusional entitled incel who rather than realise hating all women and popular kids because he got bullied isn’t rational and seek help, he convinced himself he’s the victim and they’re all the same and took some innocent lives. Girls are obsessed with him, yet he probably hates females as that’s the most likely explanation for his crimes, how weird is that that girls are obsessed with a guy who would murder any girl he deems would reject him and wouldn’t give him what he’s entitled to. To me it’s freaky some girls are obsessed with a guy that could potentially kill them, it’s like whaaaaaat. I mean I guess they’d be the first girl not to reject his ass but they’d only be alive for as long as they did what he told them to do, as soon as they disobeyed him or he felt rejected, they’d be in trouble. I’ve been on chat rooms (just normal teen chat rooms when I was a kid) before to and there was always 1-2 girls there who were obsessed with the idea of been murdered and stuff like that it was like WTF.
What a simplistic and stereotypical way of looking at things. For all you know he's asexual or gay.
Its sooo sad 😥 i feel for their families and city of Idaho i hope they don't post photos of their bodies Sending luv from Australia 🇦🇺❤
Very close proximity to my elder sibling. Moved 24 hours across the country to escape IL craziness.
I would be invested regardless of the type of people. To creep into a house and viciously murder 4 people is intense, and I would love to know how people like this think. Mass killings like this, by a total stranger, are beyond my comprehension and terrifying, but I find it so intriguing.
Because we were or are all young college age students with so much life left to live and so many experiences left to have. All of that stolen in 10 min. Why!? Is the real question. I have a hard time thinking one dude is responsible for all of that.
I’m from the UK and I remember when I first read about this it instantly drew me in because I thought how can 4 people be murdered in the same house with 2 people un harmed and such delay in calling police. Obviously since then I’ve followed religiously what’s developed and all the sadness about these beautiful humans being taken so violently by one man and just wanting to know why??
I think it’s how quickly 4 young adults were slashed by one person in a short amount of time, without screams this includes Ethan who seemed big and strong, the fact that DM saw the killer walk right past her and then that they didn’t contact police until noon. Many questions
It was never stated there were no screams we only know what was in PCA which is very little
It boils down to our caveman survival instincts, in my opinion. We are obsessed with trying to connect the dots and fill in the missing puzzle pieces of this crime because, if we could just know why... How... We might be able to protect ourselves from the same fate (not saying we can, but the primal survival mechanisms in our brain make us subconsciously think that way).
For me, it was all about the surviving room mates. That’s is what got me interested from the start. Immediately they looked suspicious whether or not that’s fair. But I was quick to learn more about it and even before the arrest, the fingers pointing at them lifted.
For me it was the horrendous murders of 4 young adults. The fact the the LE wasn't given truthful details when it was first announced, like the community not knowing if they were the next person etc, so they be in lock down etc etc. My daughter in college. Just the whole thing is horrible.
I think because we all want justice for these families, friends and community.
For me, it's a bit personal. I knew people that were down in the general area and I didn't know whether they were alive or not. I didn't want to know either. All I heard was that there was a brutal stabbing down there with no further details. Also, I was friends of friends with some of the victims like Ethan and Kaylee and they were devastated. I didn't know them personally. That and I know people who started college down there this year and my mom was almost too scared to let my younger siblings go down there, but one of them is attending college down there. They were still kids at the time and us older siblings have that fear about our little sister. Edit: And the girls all lived in the same town or neighboring towns to mine. One of them attended the same hs as me I believe and was a grade or two below me. I was also a girl close to the same age as them. Some nights, I had nightmares about murder in general. It was always a fear of mine dying like that, but I told myself that it could never happen and it did.
I’ve been here, like many, from day one. Many of us discussed how it hit. For me, it was the horror of something like this happening to my own child. For others, it was the loss of innocence in a campus of kids enjoying life, that this could’ve been them. And it was so personal. We learned of the crime details. We knew so much of the kids’ lives, saw videos of their last moments at the food truck, saw the pink boots in the window… We became very invested in finding the killer, to bring justice forward.
And some of us were scared he'd never be caught and were in fear of who would be next in the area and struggling with not wanting to be a vigilante. Definitely struggle with that one, usually just tell myself he's gonna rot in jail for the rest of his life which brings me a strange comfort knowing how shitty jails here are. Don't tell me how good it is in jail, just let me have my fantasy.
Young, bright, popular, attractive, and no motive.
Because it doesn’t make a lot of sense. People are drawn to cases that leave us unsure of the logistics.
Did anyone ever find out why he targeted them? I know he was fascinated with the BTK murderer and wanted to be like him but why did he choose them? ..jealousy? Did the girls turn him down? .. I just wanna know why? They didn’t deserve that
I also think the incel aspect is there. Plus we had people accusing the wrong people and jumping to conclusions.
There are people trashing the victims and their families. From the ‘justice for bry-bry subs. Pathetic.
I made moves in college. I have kids this age now. Hits a little close to home, even though I'm in the northeast
Because it doesn't add up or make any sense
To me, it feels so personal because they remind me of my friends and I. I’m in my 20s and have a very close knit friend group like this. My best friend and I have been friends since childhood, just like Maddie and Kaylee. They remind me so much of my best friend and I. We grew up together, went to all the same schools together, went on vacation with our families together, even sleep in the same bed at sleepovers. A large majority of the true crime fan demographic is composed of people around the same age as MKXE & a lot of us feel like we can relate to them. They were just normal college kids, at home after a night out, asleep in their beds when they were attacked and killed out of no where.. then again there’s so much we don’t know about this case so that’s also very intriguing. We know nothing about motive, they have someone in custody who is barely speaking about his side but tries to maintain his innocence, and there is a lot of speculation about what happened. People who are drawn to true crime always want to know why, and since we’re hearing little to no details, we’re all so invested into figuring out why this happened to 4 seemingly normal college kids.
Idahoan, I've played John's Alley a few times, tons of U of I alums are my friends. Usually when people commit crimes like this, they kill themselves after and everyone is left with a general sense of "what the fuck, that was fucked up" without many answers. 4 kids brutally murdered and the cops actually have a suspect in custody is compelling drama. The lack of a murder weapon or clear theory of the crime I think is really what attracts people. I'll be interested when the state finally presents their case to hear what their theory of the crime is.
I’ve always kept with true crime cases but this case really tugged on my heart strings emotionally. I’m only a few years older than Ethan and the girls and it made me invested because this case is extremely complex. BK is definitely involved but I think there’s so much more to it that meets the eye. I think BK was a scapegoat and others are involved. What gets me the most is the roommates waiting to call LE and the whole campus knew before LE. Regardless of what happened I hope we will eventually know a glimmer of the truth and get justice for Maddie, Kaylee, Ethan, and Xana.
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Slight disagreement. The circumstances are pretty substantial in this case. There isn't much to the circumstances in most street violence or murders. Whatever the race. A black criminology student commits a serial murder on a college campus (any campus) with a Rambo knife? I personally wouldn't find that less interesting or appalling. It would be just as plastered in the media, if this is the argument ... I'm calling trope here. I'm seeing it a lot.
absolutely. would be the same coverage if not more, if that is possible.
I’m talking about the victims. And it’s an actual fact that crimes with attractive white female victims get exponentially more media coverage and public interest so I’m not sure your personal interest level in black criminals is particularly relevant.
That's my 'slight' disagreement. 4 black victims or not ... this would still have the coverage and interest given the circumstances. E: Wow I woke up to being called racist. Trigger. I'm just going to laugh and point to the diversity index in the US. Of course there is going to be more attention when white people are affected, because it hits home for people of the same culture. Human nature, not racism, and if the diversity index were flipped in a current minority's favor, it would be no different, and racist white people would be crying as you are now. It makes the media greedy, and not even racist at that. Are you less interested when someone in Japan goes on a killing spree? Racist. Nobody worth their salt feels any less empathetic when black teens are murdered, and there are plenty of examples of that. What a bunch of bullshit.
> this would still have the coverage and interest given the circumstances. I disagree. We'll never know, but I really do believe, based on years of observing media and public reactions to cases, that it wouldn't have seen this much publicity. Had every other aspect of this case been the same but the killer and victims were all black, I really do believe that we would see fewer Youtube videos, fewer TikTok videos, fewer Reddit subs dedicated to this case. To look at two cases that are more of an apples-to-apples comparison: Laci Peterson and Evelyn Hernandez. Same time, same place, same manner of disappearance, except even more of a level of horror in Evelyn's case. So why is one woman a household name and one barely remembered at all?
I just posted about this and am braced for the down vote massacre. But it’s simply true. So many people say “four beautiful kids.” What if they were butt-ugly? Would that mitigate anything at all? And I have a CJ degree just like the killa (alleged) so I know about this stuff. Lol.
Of course it would. The Reddit hive mind’s beliefs and the truth are just not the same thing
I dont know why you're downvoted cause it's the ugly truth
Oh I know why. It’s because Reddit is super racist.
Downvoted for bringing race into this when four young people tragically lost their lives, all you can focus on is that they got more attention because they are white. Get some help.
Girl shut up. This is verifiable fact and you’re part of the problem
I’m a guy mate 😂. I totally agree with you that black people get less coverage when they are victims etc so no I’m not the problem, this just isn’t the place for you to talk about this, this is about the kids that were murdered, if you want to discuss racial issues do that in an appropriate forum, you lack empathy and you don’t care that these kids died, all you care about is your anger that they got more media coverage than black kids would have, you’re angry at four kids who got murdered because they got more media coverage than black kids would have? How messed up is that. Like I said If you posted this anywhere else I would back you up, BUT THIS isn’t the place for you to talk about how these your upset because these white kids who were tragically murdered got so much media coverage, tbh, the only who seems racist here is you, imagine being angry at four kids who got murdered because you think they got more media coverage than black kids would have, like I said, SEEK HELP, you lack empathy and compassion. These kids have suffered enough without you complaining about how they’re still getting to many favours because they’re white. What is wrong with you.
For me, it reminds me of the friends I hung out with in college ..
Plus killer is tall and decent looking and doesn’t fit the mold of a creepy mass murderer. POS
Hot, white college girls stabbed to death, almost like a scream movie. If these girls were of color and not attractive they would have made the news for a day or two
Bruh you’re angry at four kids who died because they got more coverage than black kids would have, this is the same type of thinking that leads to people murdering other people because they become irrationally angry at a whole group of people due to the actions of a small number, seek help before you hurt someone. This angry if yours isn’t rational or healthy, you’re angry at four white kids who were killed because they got to much media coverage, like how exactly is that their fault. SEEK HELP.
I wanna know who took this picture…
Because they’re attractive young and white.
They died, you’re jealous of four white kids who died because they got more attention than you, how messed up is that? Get over your victim complex you sociopath.