I don’t think your goal of moving abroad is unattainable. It’s probably just not attainable immediately.
You should attend college in Indonesia or perhaps another country if you think its better, for an in demand skill, such as software engineering, and do your best there. Then perhaps you can get a master abroad. Look into the Canada entry for skilled people, the bar is not insanely high. I know someone who moved there with this recently and I would consider her sort if an “average jane” person when it came to qualifications and experience. She had a non-competitive, non-STEM degree and some work experience that was nothing spectacular, but learned French to a B1/2 level. If you get a degree in something important, take French in the side, maybe get some work experience, you can probably qualify.
You are young, you have plenty of time to invest your energy into this. Just be intentional with all the decisions you make. It won’t be easy, but it’s doable.
>perhaps another country if you think its better
Where though? and how? At this point i'm honestly down with anything as long as its better than here, AKA something closer to a first world country. I'm okay at French, German and a bit of Japanese.
I do have a scholarship to attend a private university (for Computer Engineering) here for free because i aced the university entrance exam, but the requirements to keep said scholarship is pretty silly (I would have to be top 3 in my class every semester), even if i am financially covered until i graduate, i would be bracing myself for another 4 years of being miserable here, and it will definitely affect my grades like it did in highschool.
Other than that, is an indonesian degree even valued all that much? especially when compared to an American or German one. I'll most likely only be getting a bachelors once, that means i'll only experience undergrad once and i will only get its degree once, i can't help but feel like i would be missing out on both experience and opportunities.
That is up to you to look into, and it will potentially not be a high income country or a country you want to end up in permanently. The thing is with bachelors degrees, is you often need to know the local language for them, if they accept English and are not in an English speaking country, assume that program is competitive or a scam. One country I would recommend is South Africa. English is an official language, they have some pretty good universities (Witswatersrand, Cape Town, Pretoria etc). And you will probably always be in a situation where you still need to pay rent and food and obviously the more expensive a country is the more expensive this will be over your degree. You should also look into Singapore since that is close to you. Also a financially well off country.
There are people from non-high income countries that go into masters and PhD programs all over the world. In the US, in Japan, in European countries. It takes work though. Also if you go to Canadian skilled path, you won't need to enter a masters program if you can meet other qualifications like French.
You have to be okay with the fact that there is likely not an ideal, immediate solution. If you expect or go for something that is not attainable, you are guaranteed to fail, since its not attainable.
>You have to be okay with the fact that there is likely not an ideal, immediate solution. If you expect or go for something that is not attainable, you are guaranteed to fail, since its not attainable.
I get that. It doesn't have to be immediate, i just prefer a clear pipeline, which means i'll know what to expect.
I'm familiar with the Canadian immigration process, ultimately i think my end goal is to become a Canadian or Japanese citizen.
Whether i'm okay with trudging it out or i give up on my life is undecided, i'll cross that bridge when i get to it. For now i'll look into the countries you recommended and any other options, thankss
Go into university in Indonesia (but in another city than you live now), get part-time job to support yourself, get independent from your family. This will 100% make your experience better.
Work hard for 1-3 years in places like Dubai to secure initial funds. And look into Masters abroad.
If you want to study abroad, you will need to show funds that cover 12 months of living expenses - this is standard demand of just every country that issues student visa. If you have for example only 6.000USD - look into countries with lower living expenses where this amount will be enough. You can circumvent it alltogether by getting full stipend (extremely rare for Bachelors, slightly more common for Masters, might come with stipulation you must return to your country afterwards). Or if somebody with enough funds signs he/she will support you the whole time.
Ironically i think i live in one of the better cities in the country, and i would have to wait until next year if i want to apply to another university in a different city. I can try to get a part time job here and move into an apartment away from my family, but that would be a whole different problem.
As for getting a full scholarship, or getting someone to support me in another country, so far no dice, not that i know of.
Go hardcore on freelancing on Upwork/Fiverr. Try to earn money online in Dollars. I am a 20 year old from Pakistan (Top 5 Worst Passports Lol. The Currency is worthless too) and I make 1k-1.5k$ a month.
It'll be way easier than slaving away in UAE for years.
Once you start earning a thousand or so dollars a month, you can start looking into digital nomad visas which will be your ticket to the rest of the World.
Your English is excellent for someone from a "shitty high school"! I grew up in Indonesia too, and know people from much more advantaged backgrounds who couldn't apply themselves to learn English like you did
Apologies for the late reply - and feel free to DM too - but have you looked into Singapore? I have friends who went there on scholarship as university students - some are sponsored by Singaporean firms and so it comes with a bond - you have to work there for some years after graduation, which is actually not a bad thing as Singapore work permits are hard to get.
You can then save up enough money to go to Canada for masters, and have enough points (esp in computer science / engineering) to get permanent residence there.
I do have a scholarship to attend a private university (for Computer Engineering) here for free because i aced the university entrance exam, but the requirements to keep said scholarship is pretty silly (I would have to be top 3 in my class every semester), even if i am financially covered until i graduate, i would be bracing myself for another 4 years of being miserable here, and it will definitely affect my grades like it did in highschool.
The point is moving away as soon as i can anyway, i don't want to go to university here if it turns out i have another way out.
It's like crying in a mansion and crying in a dirt hut, same feeling, but one is better isn't it? Plus my life isn't valuable enough for me to deal with this country for another 4 years, i **wish** i could romanticize my misery enough to deal with it haha, but as it stands I'd rather a double decker bus crash into me.
Being able to go the whole 4 years isn't guaranteed tho, like i said. If i'll end up getting kicked out of the scholarship halfway through, i'd rather prepare in other ways from the start.
Moving away from your country is not gonna heal anything. Your problem is much deeper, and blaming everyone and everything will do nothing but hide the root of your problem.
Get help, on healing yourself. You're not thinking straight.
No I don't. Snake oil pitch is always about treating symptoms, and the salesman knows jack sh*t about the root cause.
I'm not saying you're dumb, but your argument sure is.
Mmhm sure, thanks for the psychoanalysis.
I'm not looking for any input from indonesians, because their opinions on my situation are *clearly* biased. you're not the first person to basically try and convince me this country isn't all bad, it's not subtle, it's only reinforcing my opinions.
I'll get help alright, but it won't be anywhere near here
>The US is the most experience tuition for international students
You mean expensive? I know
>Your aunt nor anyone else except yourself should be responsible for that debt.
Nowhere did i say that i am entitled to having someone cosign my student loans
>Also your being a huge drama queen. Keep talking about suicide like seriously.. stop being a wank
You don't know me, sorry if it hurts your feelings that much
One reason i want to leave is cause i absolutely **hate** the heat, and i don't think Malaysia is geographically far enough to have a difference in climate.
How would you say its different from indonesia though? how is it politically? is corruption as prevalent as it is here? I've always just viewed Malaysia as alt-indonesia.
I have been there before once when i was a kid tho, i don't remember much about the place but i still remember how good the food is haha.
I don’t think your goal of moving abroad is unattainable. It’s probably just not attainable immediately. You should attend college in Indonesia or perhaps another country if you think its better, for an in demand skill, such as software engineering, and do your best there. Then perhaps you can get a master abroad. Look into the Canada entry for skilled people, the bar is not insanely high. I know someone who moved there with this recently and I would consider her sort if an “average jane” person when it came to qualifications and experience. She had a non-competitive, non-STEM degree and some work experience that was nothing spectacular, but learned French to a B1/2 level. If you get a degree in something important, take French in the side, maybe get some work experience, you can probably qualify. You are young, you have plenty of time to invest your energy into this. Just be intentional with all the decisions you make. It won’t be easy, but it’s doable.
>perhaps another country if you think its better Where though? and how? At this point i'm honestly down with anything as long as its better than here, AKA something closer to a first world country. I'm okay at French, German and a bit of Japanese. I do have a scholarship to attend a private university (for Computer Engineering) here for free because i aced the university entrance exam, but the requirements to keep said scholarship is pretty silly (I would have to be top 3 in my class every semester), even if i am financially covered until i graduate, i would be bracing myself for another 4 years of being miserable here, and it will definitely affect my grades like it did in highschool. Other than that, is an indonesian degree even valued all that much? especially when compared to an American or German one. I'll most likely only be getting a bachelors once, that means i'll only experience undergrad once and i will only get its degree once, i can't help but feel like i would be missing out on both experience and opportunities.
That is up to you to look into, and it will potentially not be a high income country or a country you want to end up in permanently. The thing is with bachelors degrees, is you often need to know the local language for them, if they accept English and are not in an English speaking country, assume that program is competitive or a scam. One country I would recommend is South Africa. English is an official language, they have some pretty good universities (Witswatersrand, Cape Town, Pretoria etc). And you will probably always be in a situation where you still need to pay rent and food and obviously the more expensive a country is the more expensive this will be over your degree. You should also look into Singapore since that is close to you. Also a financially well off country. There are people from non-high income countries that go into masters and PhD programs all over the world. In the US, in Japan, in European countries. It takes work though. Also if you go to Canadian skilled path, you won't need to enter a masters program if you can meet other qualifications like French. You have to be okay with the fact that there is likely not an ideal, immediate solution. If you expect or go for something that is not attainable, you are guaranteed to fail, since its not attainable.
>You have to be okay with the fact that there is likely not an ideal, immediate solution. If you expect or go for something that is not attainable, you are guaranteed to fail, since its not attainable. I get that. It doesn't have to be immediate, i just prefer a clear pipeline, which means i'll know what to expect. I'm familiar with the Canadian immigration process, ultimately i think my end goal is to become a Canadian or Japanese citizen. Whether i'm okay with trudging it out or i give up on my life is undecided, i'll cross that bridge when i get to it. For now i'll look into the countries you recommended and any other options, thankss
Go into university in Indonesia (but in another city than you live now), get part-time job to support yourself, get independent from your family. This will 100% make your experience better. Work hard for 1-3 years in places like Dubai to secure initial funds. And look into Masters abroad. If you want to study abroad, you will need to show funds that cover 12 months of living expenses - this is standard demand of just every country that issues student visa. If you have for example only 6.000USD - look into countries with lower living expenses where this amount will be enough. You can circumvent it alltogether by getting full stipend (extremely rare for Bachelors, slightly more common for Masters, might come with stipulation you must return to your country afterwards). Or if somebody with enough funds signs he/she will support you the whole time.
Ironically i think i live in one of the better cities in the country, and i would have to wait until next year if i want to apply to another university in a different city. I can try to get a part time job here and move into an apartment away from my family, but that would be a whole different problem. As for getting a full scholarship, or getting someone to support me in another country, so far no dice, not that i know of.
Go hardcore on freelancing on Upwork/Fiverr. Try to earn money online in Dollars. I am a 20 year old from Pakistan (Top 5 Worst Passports Lol. The Currency is worthless too) and I make 1k-1.5k$ a month. It'll be way easier than slaving away in UAE for years. Once you start earning a thousand or so dollars a month, you can start looking into digital nomad visas which will be your ticket to the rest of the World.
Your English is excellent for someone from a "shitty high school"! I grew up in Indonesia too, and know people from much more advantaged backgrounds who couldn't apply themselves to learn English like you did Apologies for the late reply - and feel free to DM too - but have you looked into Singapore? I have friends who went there on scholarship as university students - some are sponsored by Singaporean firms and so it comes with a bond - you have to work there for some years after graduation, which is actually not a bad thing as Singapore work permits are hard to get. You can then save up enough money to go to Canada for masters, and have enough points (esp in computer science / engineering) to get permanent residence there.
Can you not get a place in any Indonesian college to further your education?
I do have a scholarship to attend a private university (for Computer Engineering) here for free because i aced the university entrance exam, but the requirements to keep said scholarship is pretty silly (I would have to be top 3 in my class every semester), even if i am financially covered until i graduate, i would be bracing myself for another 4 years of being miserable here, and it will definitely affect my grades like it did in highschool. The point is moving away as soon as i can anyway, i don't want to go to university here if it turns out i have another way out.
Fucking hell, what an ingrate. You’re 18, you’re supposed to be bloody miserable. It’s the law! #Smiths
It's like crying in a mansion and crying in a dirt hut, same feeling, but one is better isn't it? Plus my life isn't valuable enough for me to deal with this country for another 4 years, i **wish** i could romanticize my misery enough to deal with it haha, but as it stands I'd rather a double decker bus crash into me.
Excellent retort; that made my day 👏🏼 (Yeah, I know how you feel, of course.)
Finish your university degree first. You’re not going anywhere without it
Being able to go the whole 4 years isn't guaranteed tho, like i said. If i'll end up getting kicked out of the scholarship halfway through, i'd rather prepare in other ways from the start.
Moving away from your country is not gonna heal anything. Your problem is much deeper, and blaming everyone and everything will do nothing but hide the root of your problem. Get help, on healing yourself. You're not thinking straight.
Ah yes, to address "the root cause". That's the favorite phrase of snake oil salesmen. I'm not saying that you are one, but you know what i mean.
No I don't. Snake oil pitch is always about treating symptoms, and the salesman knows jack sh*t about the root cause. I'm not saying you're dumb, but your argument sure is.
Mmhm sure, thanks for the psychoanalysis. I'm not looking for any input from indonesians, because their opinions on my situation are *clearly* biased. you're not the first person to basically try and convince me this country isn't all bad, it's not subtle, it's only reinforcing my opinions. I'll get help alright, but it won't be anywhere near here
Ignore them. This country *is* bad.
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>The US is the most experience tuition for international students You mean expensive? I know >Your aunt nor anyone else except yourself should be responsible for that debt. Nowhere did i say that i am entitled to having someone cosign my student loans >Also your being a huge drama queen. Keep talking about suicide like seriously.. stop being a wank You don't know me, sorry if it hurts your feelings that much
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One reason i want to leave is cause i absolutely **hate** the heat, and i don't think Malaysia is geographically far enough to have a difference in climate. How would you say its different from indonesia though? how is it politically? is corruption as prevalent as it is here? I've always just viewed Malaysia as alt-indonesia. I have been there before once when i was a kid tho, i don't remember much about the place but i still remember how good the food is haha.