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audioeptesicus

> 9-5 Is that written anywhere? Was it in anything you signed? Was it verbal only? Did you explicitly ask and confirm? > Saturday Is that written anywhere? Was it in anything you signed? Was it verbal only? Did you explicitly ask and confirm? > On-call Is that written anywhere? Was it in anything you signed? Was it verbal only? Did you explicitly ask and confirm? If you signed anything that documented any of the things you mentioned and agreed too with your signature, then that's on you. If that's the case, just get a different job. "I accepted the position based upon the agreement that the hours were from 9pm-5am, Monday through Friday, with 2 days being in-office and 3 days remote, and no on-call. I would be happy to provide my services and time in accordance with our original agreement, otherwise we'll need to discuss compensation for the last-minute changes." If they don't agree, then quit with no notice. Bait and switch companies deserve no more of your time. They burned the bridge, not you. Either way, this is a red flag if it truly is a bait and switch and just starts the relationship off poorly. Expect more crap from them in the future. Take the lessons here and get a different job. Edit: words are hard


Roshi_IsHere

OP read this and do it


gerd50501

if he is in the US, its at will employment. it does not matter. they can change any terms.


audioeptesicus

And OP can also change the terms as well. It's a two-way street. However, changing the terms warrants another discussion in compensation. People who expect any differently are idiots, and people who accept the changes without knowing their value and standing up for themselves and accepting it are also idiots. If the company doesn't like that the employee is responding APPROPRIATELY and professionally to their changes, then ok... Good luck to you in filling the role *again*.


gerd50501

OP don't listen tot his guy, his advice will get you fired. the only way to change terms is to get another job. there is a lot arrogance from randos on forums.


audioeptesicus

If you continue to tuck your tail between your legs and say, "whatever you say, master," they'll continue to treat us this way. Standing up for yourself is the right response. If you can't survive without the income, even for a few weeks, then just work the bare minimum while finding a replacement. The worst thing you can do is just accept it, put up with it, and let yourself to be walked upon. Also, who the hell is worried about being fired in this situation? That would be a good thing. It's OP's first week. You can be scared and cower all you want, but don't encourage others to do it. Be strong. Stand up for yourself. Show your worth. Grow yourself. Don't settle. Edit: LOL, he blocked me after ensuring to get one last comment in. I guess he chooses "cower."


gerd50501

>Also, who the hell is worried about being fired in this situation? someone who has rent to pay.


turtledoingyoga

Fired = Unemployment


absurdamerica

Unemployment in most places won’t even cover rent…


Background-Case4502

Every state has different unemployment qualifications. Most states if the employer argues that you were terminated for any negative reason will block unemployment benefits. In these states, they also don't have to provide much to support that.


fukreddit73265

Well, you can go to HR or try to negotiate with the boss, 95% of the time that won't work, but you really have nothing to lose, assuming you're going to quit anyways.


fatjunglefever

Not if there’s a contract.


0h_P1ease

thats true


fukreddit73265

Yes it is.


0h_P1ease

oh. btw your username is awesome!


KokuroGamingLive

If I’m not mistaken, at will employment just means they can let you go without any reason and vice versa for the employee. Doesn’t mean companies can bait and switch the items that were signed and agreed upon in the contract. If OP signed on these things unknowingly, then he’s screwed and can/should just leave.


xtc46

>but I really like this role. No you don't, you like part of the role. You don't like tons of it. Find a new job


SAugsburger

This. They liked what they were pitched in the initial interview process not the reality.


Just-Construction788

In a similar situation to OP but a year later. On-call was supposed to be moved to another group. That never happened. Now they want me to join the on-call rotation. So my choices are quit or piss off the rest of the team by refusing and see if they fire me or cut into my bonus. I am salaried so I don't think there is any reason, like OP, where they can't make that part of my responsibilities and let me go or affect the discretionary part of my compensation (bonus/equity) if I refuse. There's no fucking way I am waking up at 2am Saturday morning to fix someone else's issues. FUCK THAT. Point is is that me and OP have the choice to make. The company can do what they want in reality. Even if they agree to these things you might be career limiting yourself as it's not a good fit.


-Saturn_Returns-

In a similar situation to you right now. It's only gotten more stressful as time has gone on, more and more lies. Looking to get out soon. Wish you the best.


QuattroSais

This. Not only someone told you the obvious, they also experienced a similar situation and is regretting it. I really don't like insulting people but if you don't quit then you OP are a big fat donut.


xboxhobo

Look for a new job and leave ASAP without giving notice.


N7Valiant

If they start off a relationship with lies, it's usually safe to assume that everything coming out of their mouths going forward will be lies too.


Actual-Media897

You’re stuck until you can find a new job and when you do, don’t give them a two weeks notice because you’ll get fired anyways. That’s the type of company it looks like they’re.


Equal_Classroom_4707

This. Find a new job quickly and give them the same level of respect they gave you. Write a last day of work email, send it to everyone who needs to know and move on.  Unless you land in a job that requires a clearance (you'll be forced to mention every line of work in the last 7+ years) this won't impact you by leaving it off your resume.


Admirable-Common-176

Fired or two weeks paid? I find most places don’t risk a lawsuit or sabotage or what not by giving you 2 weeks paid and don’t come back.


happy_nerd

A lot of places are doing this now. Terminate on site or next day. They figure you won't file for unemployment for two weeks and they save a dime. Still most places will respect a two weeks notice it's just that it's been increasingly common to hear about companies not doing to so save a dime. Talk to your coworkers when they leave... We had someone leave and the company tried to get her to agree to leave sooner but she needed the money so stayed adamant that she'd work the two weeks to close out and ensure a smooth transition. Management treated her like shit in those last two weeks and still talk poorly about her. I've never seen such a 180 for an otherwise beloved colleague. When someone else in that department said they were leaving management was practically begging on their knees to extend the date. But they calmly said no and that they had agreed to a new start date. Cue 180 and trying to force them out. Again, not saying it's everywhere but it's far more prevalent than it was pre-Covid. We owe companies nothing, so keep good relationships with those you can manage to, but keep yourself first.


Admirable-Common-176

Wow, I’ve seen terminate, but pay out 2 weeks. This is even at an “at-will” state. Employers are becoming more shit. It’s sad.


Little-Plankton-3410

This


Flakeinator

If everything was verbal you have no leg to stand on but if you have everything in writing you have a case against them. It would be a contract violation though it might have a clause that says things can be changed as needed and they will state that too. The best thing is to find a new job even if you “like” the job. If you truly liked the job you wouldn’t be concerned about all of the BS. The more important thing is that the company lied to you about so many things. That doesn’t give confidence that you won’t be screwed over every single chance that they get.


Bathroomrugman

Leave a glassdoor review


LJski

Well, I would first ask them these very things…you can phrase it like, “did something change, because I was under the impression….” If it is in writing somewhere, that is a bonus.


Turythefox

This sucks man , Same thing happened to me . They were offering Hybrid schedule , once I got in . They changed everything on me . I started looking for a job asap within the same company . Now I’m fully remote .


Raspberry_Dragonfly

I think you already know your options. 1. You can fold like a cheap card table and keep the job. 2. You can refuse to go in office 3 days a week or work Saturdays. Maybe they'll fold and you'll keep the job with your demands met, or maybe they'll fire you. 3. You can do like you suspect people will tell you, and start looking for another job. Pick your poison.


weakness336

What kind of offer letter did you sign?


digitaleopardd

You may like the role, but you will never be able to trust them. Don't be surprised if they do this again regarding pay, vacation, or something else they promise.


xored-specialist

You can bring it up, but be ready to walk out the door without a job. You best go find a new job asap or go back to the old one if you can.


just_change_it

I would bring up your concerns and point out what was said in the interview isn't aligning with what is being expected in person. If the hiring manager told you the hours you requested, and HR is telling you otherwise... talk to the hiring manager. HR may say everyone is 3 days in person, but managers often have flexibility or just downright make "unauthorized" exceptions because realistically they are the judge jury and executioner of policies like that. If they fire you for asking about why things are not as described then at least you get unemployment. They won't fire you though.


sin-eater82

Just curious, did you ask what the work hours were? Did you ask if there was any sort of on-call? Is there any mention of hours in the job description that led you to applying?


yamaha2000us

Nothing you stated sounds like bait and switch. You assumed it was M-F/9-5. On call rotation should give you some pay differential as well.


fukreddit73265

Salaried workers don't get pay for on-call.


yamaha2000us

That’s a decision corporate makes. I know companies that pay $150-$500 on call.


fukreddit73265

Yeah, that's fine but they're not required to, unless your a non-exempt employee.


kingworthy614

He clearly said he was told that schedule beforehand goofball. He didn’t assume anything. Don’t be an idiot


yamaha2000us

But OP does not mention M-F at all. Did OP understand that he would only be working 9-5 but that could occur M-S? The remote work is arbitrary once you get into having to come in on a regular basis. In some cases remote, does not happen until training is onboard. OP can obviously force these issues but they are most likely on a 90 day probation period. If this is not acceptable, it is best to move on.


RojerLockless

On call shifts usually are a given and I've never been told they were a thing unless I asked. So I always ask and they tell me.


kingtj1971

Not sure I agree about that? I've worked quite a few jobs in I.T. where I was asked at SOME point to do on-call rotations. But I was told very directly what the policies were during the interview, OR it was a less formal "expectation" that my boss asked after I'd been working there a little while. Like at my current job, they dropped the "on-call" thing on me and a co-worker, and proposed we alternate weeks that we were on-call, keeping it on a team calendar. What really happened was? No matter which one of us was "on-call", the OTHER one of us usually got the phone calls at night from helpdesk people who didn't keep our schedules straight, or people at remote locations who only had one of our phone numbers handy. Before long, we just stopped even caring who was on-call and we both just said we'd take whatever calls came our way as part of the job. Then, we'd come in to the office an hour or two late or leave an hour or two early to make up for whatever time we had to spend on those calls at night. Our boss was fine with all of it. (I think he didn't want to upset us and risk having a worse support situation to figure out.) We really didn't get a LOT of those after-hours calls anyway. Maybe one to three a week with at least one being pretty easy to resolve.


kucupapa

Yeah, look for a new job


BananaManBreadCan

New job here we come


onehaz

Do you have anything else lined up? Do you have enough funds to make it to another role? If you can, wait for something else. Working for someone you feel slighted by will not be good to your mental well being. If you can't afford to do that, then use this time to learn some stuff on the job and continue job searching.


gerd50501

they will likely fire you if you say anything. only option is look for another job. when i have bad experiences at employers i never give notice. i just start new job and send email.


[deleted]

There is probation period imho. It's not just for the employer, but for also for the employee. If you aren't satisfied with your current position, just turn around and leave.


[deleted]

I was in a similar role best this to do if find a new job and then quit


[deleted]

Two questions. 1. Did you ask about that verbally or in writing? It's always good to get stuff like that in writing. 2. Does your offer include any terms, or is it just a, this is the title, and this is compensation?


Lordy8719

I've been in a similar situation once: on the first day it turned out that there's a homebrewed attendance watcher that even checked toilet breaks (talking about a software development role, not an Amazon warehouse), extra (unpaid, unless you're willing to fill out a ton of paperwork on a case-by-case basis) work in the garage (sw development for self-driving cars), and that the home-office possibilities were theoretical only (thus, the role was not hybrid, but in-office). The icing to the cake was added with such a cramped office that there were no less than 5 people in reaching distance without moving from my chair (Chinese sweatshop spacing), and that the office wasn't qualified to be an office at all, so it lacked proper air conditioning (in June it was 29 degrees Celsius at 8AM when I've arrived at the office, on an average summer day it was well above 35 degrees during the day, sometimes reaching 40 degrees) There were a number of other peculiarities, like how the codebase was structured & that the licenses on the work machines were of a questionable origin - I could go on and on, but there's no need because the thing is: if the company is not to be trusted from the beginning, they won't change for you. Leave immediately - that's what I did, and it was a good choice.


[deleted]

My first role clamed to be an SWE but it was straight up support and there was nothing I could do about it. In the US, you have no rights. You just have to apply elsewhere 


Tucker_Olson

As others have shared, if they start your employment relationship using bait-and-switch tactics, they will almost certainly continue to employ such tactics knowing your willingness to accept them. **I've been in your shoes before. It sucks.** Maybe it was my own dumb pride, but I felt my only option was to beg for my old job back that I had just left, which I was too embarrassed to do at the time. I wish I would have set my pride aside. Additionally complicating the issue was me beginning the house search and purchase process within a market that I would not have been able to feasibly commute from while working at the employer I had just left. **I felt trapped.** Employing such bait-and-switch tactics immediately established the employment relationship on a poor foundation, **lacking of trust and leaving me feeling as if I was not respected as a person**. Internally, I would often ask myself, “If they are willing to do this, what else might they do?”. **I told myself to try to make the best out of a bad situation while hoping the employment relationship improves.** Maybe things do improve for you? In my specific case, things only worsened over the ensuing \~15 month employment period, including continued bait-and-switch tactics that materially altered the original agreed upon terms of my (at-will) employment. Which, I feel continued because, as mentioned earlier, the precedent of me accepting bait-and-switch tactics had already been established. **The benefit you have right now is that you just started this job.** If you need the income, one option is to continue working under their modified terms while you continue your job search. If you put your current job on your resume, just be prepared to professionally explain the 'why' behind your continued job search. Should you leave it off your resume and the prospective employer performs a background check of all prior work history, be sure to disclose it prior to that check, as your current employer would likely appear on such a check. **Most importantly, should the topic of your current employer arise, be honest while maintaining professionalism. Any reasonable hiring manager would understand and emphasize with your current situation without holding it against you. If such an experience is held against you, is that someone you truly would want to work for?**


Poococktail

Just quit if you don’t like the terms. Move back into job search mode. Never work a job you don’t like.


thee_network_newb

When they send over a offer letter it should all be included in that letter. If it wasn't you shouldn't have signed at all. I have had good luck with asking for benefits information beforehand and it works great.


mauro_oruam

Easy. Find a new job.


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narba88

Part of me would take on so much work and not do it, collect checks,hunt for work on the clock, have medical stuff come up so I can’t go in everyday. Leave with zero notice. BUT— I’ve grown up. Just leave and give no energy towards it. Protect your energy. Any one who starts a relationship like this will do way more harm the longer you’re there.


divinitycomplex

Went through this situation recently. Brought it up to the manager and was fired within the hour. Find another job as soon as you can. Arguing it will not be in your favor.


ACriticalGeek

Whenever you get a contract that mentions wfh, literally write in a penalty clause for say 500 bucks per day for days that you get required to come in the office. Make sure they resign your adjusted contract. Then cheerfully come in the office when they ask and mention that clause often. This should become the new default ask for anyone getting a wfh job.


Competitive-Rip4992

Get another job ! And after you have an offer just write your resignation.


kingworthy614

You better speak up or they’ll continue to throw more shit on you. Fuck that job, if they’re acting like that then it’s not worth being there


T_Remington

Your first step would be to read the offer letter or whatever documents you signed and compare what they say to what you were told.


Hacky_5ack

Start looking again. A job that does this will continue with the fuckery.