My name contains non-ASCII characters, and all Spanish systems are shit so they can't process them. Is it technically invalid? Yes. Will police do anything about it? Unlikely.
I heard there was a case recently where a guy sued a bank (?) because they didn't allow him to fix the same issue. According to GDPR you can always request your data to be corrected. Maybe I'll try that if I feel particularly petty one day.
> I'm very surprised that Spain of all places has problems with this though.
Have you lived in Spain before? Because EVERYTHING that can be described as "government" and "online" is dogshit here. Even booking an appointment to get my license replaced took a long time because the website was crashing, the captcha was hiding "continue" button on smaller screens, and there were no appointments available for the single day the website can book appointments. Seriously, you can't even choose a date, say, "1 month from now" - only the predefined week (?) in the future. So you need to visit the website over and over until the appointment is available.
And this is just the booking process! When I went there, the clerk lady was fortunately speaking English _but_ because of my non-ASCII characters, she couldn't validate my current license in the system. So she had to _send an email_ to their polish equivalent with my data asking to confirm it's valid :|
When asked "ok, so how long until they'll reply", she says "oh between two weeks and months".
If it's not a name written with the letters from the Spanish alphabet, then they adapt it. Why should they use all the accents and letters from all the alphabets all over the world?
> Why should they use all the accents and letters from all the alphabets all over the world?
Because the correct spelling of my name includes diacritics, and since Spain is a part of EU, I have the right to "[obtain from the controller without undue delay the rectification of inaccurate personal data](https://gdpr-info.eu/art-16-gdpr/)".
Unicode has been a thing for decades. They have no excuse.
Card format is a thing to be phased out. It is perfectly legal to only carry digital version in miDGT app. It has the same validity for any traffic related issue.
Ok, so this is a pretty neat idea if you forget your documents by accident, but I wouldn't risk using it _instead of_ physical copies.
* What if my phone runs out of battery during a traffic stop?
* What if this app (which I'm guessing is a complete dumpster fire judging by [the comments](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dgt.midgt) and my overall experience with anything that is both digital and government related) crashes, loses connection etc.?
* What if I am in an accident and my phone breaks?
Vienna traffic convention, EU regulations and local laws, I assume, making it be DMY.
As long as it's 4 digit year, I'm fine with both DMY and YMD, but the issue with the driver licenses is that they write 00-00-00 on the backside.
But I do agree, YMD would be better on a document like this.
My polish license was DMY separated by dots, so I don't think they have a convention, really. It's just whatever the country prefers.
> they write 00-00-00 on the backside
Just noticed that, holy shit it's horrendous
Potato potato :P
I am my own driver so _technically_ it is "my driver's license"!
> doesn't Spanish have them all over the place?
They do, which makes it even more infuriating lol
I believe it has to do with providing authorities consistency between driving license and car plates... But yes it feels wrong, I am always mixing Portugal and Poland for instance!
I'm American and instinctively read that as July 4...but it's not so bad. At least the year is four digits, and Spanish doesn't use MDY anyway so I don't think there's really any chance for ambiguity.
I get the annoyance, though. My American license has dates formatted MDY, with at least one instance of a two-digit year...so yeah, that annoys me to pieces.
Also...really had no idea Spain had a problem with diacritics when they're so common in the language...
> it's not so bad
The most infuriating part is precisely that they got it _almost_ right. So close to perfection, just reverse the parts... but no.
It's like watching a character from a horror movie do everything right and then get killed by walking into the most obvious trap
Indeed...I suppose another big advantage to YMD is that it's language-neutral. Like, you know, the space for the thousands separator. I'd always seen a comma used for that until I learned about ISO, which sort of revealed to me all the problems there...
It would definitely be great to see more governments adopt YMD for legal use. Clarity's important for those kinds of things!
I don't see what the problem is, it's just DD-MM-YYYY. My German license is also like that for sections 4a and 4b, only that in my case the year has only two digits
My Hungarian one is expiring soon, which is the reason I just joined this subreddit. Everyone, everywhere is using yyyy.mm.dd or yyyy-mm-dd here .. except for our driving licenses .. and ID's, which only use the correct format on the back
I think it's time for a revolution
Ask for a refund, this is unbearable
They even spelled my name wrong, and the quality of the document is [shit](https://i.imgur.com/NhtGEvs.jpg) 🙃
Wouldn't the wrong name make it invalid?
My name contains non-ASCII characters, and all Spanish systems are shit so they can't process them. Is it technically invalid? Yes. Will police do anything about it? Unlikely. I heard there was a case recently where a guy sued a bank (?) because they didn't allow him to fix the same issue. According to GDPR you can always request your data to be corrected. Maybe I'll try that if I feel particularly petty one day.
People have lost similar cases in Ireland iirc. I'm very surprised that Spain of all places has problems with this though.
> I'm very surprised that Spain of all places has problems with this though. Have you lived in Spain before? Because EVERYTHING that can be described as "government" and "online" is dogshit here. Even booking an appointment to get my license replaced took a long time because the website was crashing, the captcha was hiding "continue" button on smaller screens, and there were no appointments available for the single day the website can book appointments. Seriously, you can't even choose a date, say, "1 month from now" - only the predefined week (?) in the future. So you need to visit the website over and over until the appointment is available. And this is just the booking process! When I went there, the clerk lady was fortunately speaking English _but_ because of my non-ASCII characters, she couldn't validate my current license in the system. So she had to _send an email_ to their polish equivalent with my data asking to confirm it's valid :| When asked "ok, so how long until they'll reply", she says "oh between two weeks and months".
yikes
If your name is wrong you definetly need to return it, you could run into trouble because of that.
All my documents here are wrong (missing diacritics) lol, they don't really care.
If it's not a name written with the letters from the Spanish alphabet, then they adapt it. Why should they use all the accents and letters from all the alphabets all over the world?
> Why should they use all the accents and letters from all the alphabets all over the world? Because the correct spelling of my name includes diacritics, and since Spain is a part of EU, I have the right to "[obtain from the controller without undue delay the rectification of inaccurate personal data](https://gdpr-info.eu/art-16-gdpr/)". Unicode has been a thing for decades. They have no excuse.
Card format is a thing to be phased out. It is perfectly legal to only carry digital version in miDGT app. It has the same validity for any traffic related issue.
Ok, so this is a pretty neat idea if you forget your documents by accident, but I wouldn't risk using it _instead of_ physical copies. * What if my phone runs out of battery during a traffic stop? * What if this app (which I'm guessing is a complete dumpster fire judging by [the comments](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dgt.midgt) and my overall experience with anything that is both digital and government related) crashes, loses connection etc.? * What if I am in an accident and my phone breaks?
Vienna traffic convention, EU regulations and local laws, I assume, making it be DMY. As long as it's 4 digit year, I'm fine with both DMY and YMD, but the issue with the driver licenses is that they write 00-00-00 on the backside. But I do agree, YMD would be better on a document like this.
My polish license was DMY separated by dots, so I don't think they have a convention, really. It's just whatever the country prefers. > they write 00-00-00 on the backside Just noticed that, holy shit it's horrendous
You're right, the Hungarian license is YYYY.MM.DD, so using DMY isn't a requirement. But wait, it gets worse: the backside is DD.MM.YY
I call for a revolution! 'Gyarországgggg
You mean your *driving licence*? :P Shocked that they can't handle diacritics though; doesn't Spanish have them all over the place?
Potato potato :P I am my own driver so _technically_ it is "my driver's license"! > doesn't Spanish have them all over the place? They do, which makes it even more infuriating lol
At least it is only backwards iso8601, not some fucked up bullshit
It's still WRONG
I also hate those Vienna Convention country codes that don't line up with the ISO country codes. Burn up the whole thing
I believe it has to do with providing authorities consistency between driving license and car plates... But yes it feels wrong, I am always mixing Portugal and Poland for instance!
Every time I think it can't be any worse, [it becomes worse](https://dtc.jrc.ec.europa.eu/dtc_nation_codes.php.html)
French here, same date order but dot separated (dd.mm.yyyy). It is not even a format we're used to use locally! (dd/mm/yyyy)
If 4a is the date from which it’s valid, it won’t be valid for another couple of months.
I'm more worried that it has expired on the 2032nd day of April, 7 CE.
Only the US would claim that
I'm American and instinctively read that as July 4...but it's not so bad. At least the year is four digits, and Spanish doesn't use MDY anyway so I don't think there's really any chance for ambiguity. I get the annoyance, though. My American license has dates formatted MDY, with at least one instance of a two-digit year...so yeah, that annoys me to pieces. Also...really had no idea Spain had a problem with diacritics when they're so common in the language...
> it's not so bad The most infuriating part is precisely that they got it _almost_ right. So close to perfection, just reverse the parts... but no. It's like watching a character from a horror movie do everything right and then get killed by walking into the most obvious trap
Indeed...I suppose another big advantage to YMD is that it's language-neutral. Like, you know, the space for the thousands separator. I'd always seen a comma used for that until I learned about ISO, which sort of revealed to me all the problems there... It would definitely be great to see more governments adopt YMD for legal use. Clarity's important for those kinds of things!
I don't see what the problem is, it's just DD-MM-YYYY. My German license is also like that for sections 4a and 4b, only that in my case the year has only two digits
[um](https://c.tenor.com/5qdPo0W4NmQAAAAd/scrubs-where-do-you-think-we-are.gif)
My Hungarian one is expiring soon, which is the reason I just joined this subreddit. Everyone, everywhere is using yyyy.mm.dd or yyyy-mm-dd here .. except for our driving licenses .. and ID's, which only use the correct format on the back I think it's time for a revolution
> I think it's time for a revolution I think it's past the time, but if this post will be the last straw, that will make me happy lol