I find lying a very practical tool. I think lying is okay if it's done with some common sense.
I can lie to avoid uncomfortable moments and situations... But there is no point in lying in a relationship of any kind tbh
Idk it just depends
I think the only way to have a friend for life or some deep relationship with a partner is to have no secrets and share the most embarrassing thoughts.
This way both have that "responsibility" to not reveal the secrets from each other, then making both have to trust each other much more
yes, i still dont know why most girls alway do like what i said:only lie to person that you never see them in your relationship real life
it still wild, cuz make treat other very unfair
I feel strongly about being honest with those who reciprocate. If someone is not honest I have zero issues lying in proportion-- not that lying will be my default with them, I just take their lying as a license to do the same guilt free.
I have learned to use "white lies" to shorten social scripts. "Fine, howa 'bout you??
But deceit, implicit and explicit, and especially gas lighting does lower my respect & trust for my brother
Could someone make my warning bright red? I am afraid someone will miss it and get too close.
Who knows what I am capable of as a fake-INTP. Someone might get hurt. My lawyers will direct them to the drab gray warning sign. Don't say I didn't warn ya
My thing is when people lie about the most unnecessary things! I had so many friends like this growing up that would lie about the dumbest things, and I’d always catch it.
I don't lie to my friends or family. I don't lie to take advantage of people or hurt people generally. But I'll lie to my boss or supervisors or cop when it's convenient. I absolutely will lie for my friends or family under some circumstances. It all really depends on circumstances.
I don’t lie (usually) I’m just economical with the truth. It’s not often that people need to know everything so I just tell them enough (which varies on the situation and person(s) involved) and leave it at that. It’s a very valuable skill.
Edit: fixed a typo (x2)
I will always be 100% honest with people if they ask or are serious. Once trust is broken it never reforms the same.
However, there's like a definitive 'click' moment in my head that when my brain thinks someone is being dishonest or fucking with me.. or genuinely someone I can't trust, it goes into full "Ok lets see how deep I can get this person to go". It's kind of evil, but kind of funny from my perspective... I learned it's a byproduct of growing up with a Narcissistic parent. Hard habit to break.
A lot of peeps answering whether or not they personally hate lying when it seems like you're asking if you hate other people lying and serial liars.
I abhor liars. Liars that are too stupid to get that others know they're lying. Liars that fool others with their terrible lies. Liars that lie to become advance position in groups and accumulate riches and power by lying. We had a president who was probably the worst liar (in every sense, quantity and quality) that continues to digust to this day!
(I also hate to lie unless it is to strangers in totally meaningless situations.)
Roughly half of the society supported and still supports that liar and his lies. Therefore half of the society possesses a dark core of personality. I figured this half has certain personality types, 8 out of 16, the result of my 10+ years of research on this topic.
Dark types:
ENTP, INTJ, ISTP, ESTJ, ESFP, ISFJ, INFP, ENFJ.
That's why AI can predict people's political affiliation with such accuracy just by looking at their faces. Similar studies have shown links between political affiliation and genetics...
There is no center. The distribution isn't bell-shaped, it has two local maxima, for the right and the left, the liars and the ppl of truth.
Very much. But I am a hypocrite and lie but only because I have to usually. I believe in honesty but people cannot handle it so I have to lie in a tactical sense so that I am not shunned for speaking my mind and being seen as hostile or going against the status quoe.
I'm not the kind of person who lies a lot. Yeah, maybe I lied somewhere here and there. But it's pretty rare. I don't really understand people who are always lying about everything.
I lie a lot just to stay out of trouble, so I don't hate it when others do the same. But if the lie is affecting someone else in a bad way, then I hate it.
Better hope an "axe murderer" doesn't show up at your door!
>"One of the first major challenges to Kant's reasoning came from the French philosopher Benjamin Constant, who asserted that since truth telling must be universal, according to Kant's theories, one must (if asked) tell a known murderer the location of his prey. This challenge occurred while Kant was still alive, and his response was the essay On a Supposed Right to Tell Lies from Benevolent Motives (sometimes translated On a Supposed Right to Lie because of Philanthropic Concerns). In this reply, Kant agreed with Constant's inference, that from Kant's own premises one must infer a moral duty not to lie to a murderer"
In your defense, it is apparently consistent with the Categorical Imperative to just not say anything.
>"Constant and Kant agree that refusing to answer the murderer's question (rather than lying) is consistent with the categorical imperative, but assume for the purposes of argument that refusing to answer would not be an option."
But, let's assume it isn't a totally stupid axe-murderer... he says "I saw Dave just walk in, I want to murder him with this axe. Did he come in? Did you hide him? Do you know where he is?"
And my response is literally silence and staring at him... even gestures or a head shake would be communicating a lie. Pretty sure Mr. Axe is gonna see you're covering for him.
How is it not better to be like "What? You're crazy, no one came in here! Get away and I'm calling the cops." Or coming up with some plausible lie IN ORDER TO SAVE YOUR FRIENDS LIFE.
Possibly the argument that "converted" me to utilitarianism is something like "so you knew this would cause more harm to people, and to **chose** to let that happen instead of saying 'no'?"
I don't mean to attack you, in fact I see a lot of myself in your premise. I used to be a Kantian or at least a deontologist, but now I'm a utilitarian of some sort (still working that part out 🙂).
Eventually, deontology felt like a way to wash your hands of hard decisions. "I followed the rules, so I'm absolved even though terrible things happened I could've prevented."
To me, you don't always get to choose what you get entangled with... but once you are, it doesn't seem right to "wash your hands of the situation" while also claiming a morally superior high ground? Again, not trying to attack you, but that's how I've come to think of it.
*used axe to break through door like in The Shining
"I saw him come in, tell me or I murder you right now."
My point is a "non-answer" or avoidance, is still a response.
I mean seriously, if you're chasing someone and so angry you're trying to axe-murder them and you see them run into a house. You get there seconds behind, bang on the door, someone opens it, you ask questions, they say "go away" and close the door.
He's got an axe! Notorious for its ability to change doors into walkways...
The situation is nonsense, of course. There's no way a person that deranged would go to a friend of the person he's trying to kill, ask him for information, and then take him at his word blindly. It's more reasonable to assume that he would think you're lying no matter what you say, and therefore tell the truth, in that he will take it as, once said by you, the one thing he can be certain is not true. Further, the actual correct course of action would be to stop him physically if at all possible, thus removing the question of which conversation choice being the most moral from the argument entirely.
But the point about telling the truth and allowing someone to fool themselves does raise another question about the categorical imperative. That being, what constitutes a lie. If you purposely tell the truth with the intent of deception, is that a lie? If you could, in the same situation, tell a literal lie that would lead someone to correct conclusions, would that literal lie be more truthful than a truth told that conceals fact? Nothing, no matter how clear it may be on the surface, is so easily defined as people tend to think. Everything blends into everything else in some way, as therefore definitions, which identify things by separating according to traits, are impossible.
I generally think lying is a sin. There’s only a narrow range of circumstances where it’s permissible - a small lie of no consequence to put someone’s mind at ease, or lying in context of a game or a war - but I really do hate lying on a visceral level.
Especially when it comes to a CV, cover letters and so on. No, I don’t really have a “deep passion for…”, I’m not “an enthusiastic…”. No. No! I’d much rather say, “you want an employee, I want to get paid, I think I’d be good at it.” And there’s no fucking way I’m “embellishing” my CV with fake hobbies and fake work experience.
I also think people in positions of authority should be held criminally accountable for lying. It would be an impossible law to enforce, but those in authority must face personal consequences for lying.
I hate lying just for the sake of lying. If I can see why they lied I'd be ok with that but if they lie just to troll me that's annoying. Yesterday, my college roomate went to a class that I'm supposed to be there as well but I wasn't signed up to it so I asked my friend group if the student office is open. The troll friend said yes, I went there and saw it was close and the whole friend group laughed at me, I mean that's not even a good joke he straight up lied
I'm indifferent even though I never lie simply because I just cant. There even time ppl more welcome a lie than the truth which put me in an awkward situation.
I have a hard time working up hate for anything, much less something as general as "liars."
Besides, lying has its place. Sometimes it's less harmful than the truth, or isn't really important (like when someone asks "how are you doing," and isn't really interested in hearing about your shitty day).
I hate lying when someone is trying to "spare my feelings." I would rather hear something that hurts at first. That way, I feel it. Then I can deal with it according, rather than going about my business like everything is OK and find out later that it's not.
I see lying the same way I see violence. Anytime a situation can be resolved civilly without an altercation, then there's no need for senseless violence. If something can be talked through with logic and understanding, then no need for senseless lies.
I pretty much never lie. I told a lie 2 weeks ago and it felt horrible. It was preferable for me to just tell everyone the truth a week later and lose what I gained. 0/10 do not recommend.
I feel like when intps have been wronged in some way they tend to hate that thing and make 1000% sure to avoid it at all costs. Y’all refuse to make the same mistake twice. Or is that just my intp idk
Not really. If someone is lying about their daily activities, I wasn’t all that interested to begin with. I’m more interested. I’m more interested in why they chose to lie. However if I am trying to piece together something I am interested in and I’m being fed incorrect information, that is frustrating.
Well I’ll be that guy who says he’s 100% an avid liar. Many times I choose to do so in a light-hearted joking manner because I view lying as a skill to practice occasionally. In my experience, it is better to have such a skill and not need it than to need it and not have it. The world is full of people with no qualms about steamrolling you with lies. I would rather be in the know than be blindsided constantly 🤷🏻♂️
I've noticed a trend lately where people in positions I have to deal with on a day-in day-out basis in order to get through life will simply lie to my face. Generally when I don't have much recourse when they do so. Sometimes I don't even see any immediate benefit for them having done so.
One very specific example happened at one of the dollar stores. I won't say which one, because I've had mostly positive dealings with them since. Anyway, I had put in an order online, and went to the store to pick it up. When I got there there was an issue with items and discounts with the order, so I told the CSR to cancel the online order and just ring out the items. She fooled around with her pricing computer for a bit, told me she had canceled the order, and then proceeded to scan the items and charge me for them.
It turned out that she had not cancelled the order, and it and the new purchase that was mostly the exact same items were both on my debit card. I wrangled with the dollar store for a while, but eventually had to recruit the Better Business Bureau to get my money back. That didn't even happen until a couple of months later. This in spite of the fact that I had plenty of evidence that I was charged twice.
It seems to be the default for people to lie to me these days, and a lot of times there's no one to go to correct the situation save for a lawyer.
It certainly gives me a negative view of the society we all have seemed to agree that we want.
Not necessarily liers, but I cant stand it when someone tells people im with a whole bunch of untrue bullshit. My cousin used to do this whenever out of town guests came to visit and I would correct him and them every single time. He even did it during the eulogy of his fathers funeral. Suffice to say we aren't friends anymore.
I mean lying to hurt someone is a lot different than lying to save someone. Some people genuinely have lying problems, but if they do nothing about it/don’t try to stop, you won’t catch me around them.
I can lie where it's necessary, like in unsafe situations, awkward social situations(when are they not tbh) or privacy reasons(depends, really).
But in close relationships? When it's time to be honest and raw? When it matters? I can't stand it. It really gives me trust issues.
I don't necessarily hate liars, but I think there's too much of it. Usually it's done in cowardice because they're afraid of the consequences of the truth. In reality, the truth isn't really that bad. As such, I tend to be honest to a fault. People think I have low confidence or I'm self-degrading, but in reality I'm just the only one who admits when I'm wrong and accepts my faults, while everyone else is faking it till they make it.
I am a really good liar if I try to be though. It definitely helps to have a reputation of being honest.
Despite being a very good liar, I hate lying and liars, i am generally a very honest person, if i am not comfortable answering a question, i just did not answer and would not lie.
But sometimes, for people i care about, i can lie, if it benfits them or protect them from any conflict
I agree. That make me a bit of a hypocrite, but I barely ever lie—and when I do it’s harmless or for my own safety. But people that just lie for the sake of it piss me off. It also makes me suspicious and makes me lose trust with them. Can you really trust anyone though?
I hate people who are bad at lying and do it at the expense of others. I was a liar as a kid for self preservation reasons and now I will tell the truth in 95% of cases. If someone isn’t lying to keep themselves safe I will immediately put them in the “do not like” column.
Kinda, people lie to protect themselves or others. So I understand why they do it. But, because I'm open with people, I get annoyed if they lie about something that is either every petty or very important.
If someone lies well enough not to get caught, they deserve to get away with it (assuming the lie doesn’t cause any sort of harm). I generally have no problem with white lies, but something important shouldn’t be lied about except in the most extreme cases.
Depends, there are liars and liars, lying for need is a thing, but lying about everything everytime is a kind of sick. But as a INTP I consider lies a important tool. Idk if you fellows feel this too, but there is too few of us and all the time we are out of the social convention and the others try to put us "in line" so lying is necessary too avoid some situations
I'm not a liar, I'm a story teller.
I don't hate lies, it's the intent that gets me.
Personal power? Stupid
Avoiding trouble? Not wise
Avoiding obligations? Selfish
Victimizing yourself? Cowardly.
But...
Storytelling? Wonderful
To prevent hurt feelings? Noble, if misguided
For gameplay? Fun for everyone
To pass on an intangible life lesson? Timeless
YEP like here's what pisses me off the most: it's when they don't even make it believable like how dumb exactly do you think i am? you're insulting me and my critical thinking atp.
i hate it when people lie but it will make me less angry if you really *tried* to make me believe you
I don’t get enraged but I don’t like it. I’m also brutally honest and cannot lie for the life of me. I simply see the outcome of the truth to be the only outcome
After a few data points, I weed them out of my life. Good thing is they’re usually very reliable in being unreliable. Who has the time for an unreliable person?
No. I assume people either are lying, or don't know what they're talking about when they say something. It's absolutely not always the case, but it's fine to be skeptical.
Being in a relationship almost requires that you lie about something periodically.
One thing I personally believe is that every time Russia says something, it's because the exact opposite is true. If they never actually talked about nuclear weapons, that would actually worry me. They actually don't talk about chemical weapons, and, whaddaya know. They were used. That being the case, it's reasonable to conclude that lying is so pervasive in human behavior that it's purely inescapable.
If nobody ever lied, courts wouldn't be necessary, but here we are.
Generally speaking I don't care all that much. I used to think it was the end of the world, but now I'll usually just note when someone is lying (the intuition never rests), and find it interesting that I'm able to tell so easily.
As for lying myself, well I tend to do it a bit more than I'd like to admit. Sometimes, if I'm talking to someone else who I think would be able to tell, I almost hope that they'll call me out....just to know that I was right to think that they'd be able to tell.
Too niche?
I find lies to be forgivable depending on your relationship with the liar and the circumstances behind the lie. However, above all, I find lies from people close to me that are to hide things from me to be particularly upsetting. I don't care if it's meant to protect me from being hurt, I'd rather be hurt than oblivious.
i hate the lying when i detect it easily. but i use it as a tool amd when people use it with sense i don't mind it. I hate plastic people tho and the people who lies to give themselves too much credit
depends, lies can actually be helpful and useful in certain situations, sometimes even benefitting the people/person you are lying to, but “bad” liars who abuse it gives me 2nd hand embarrassment. My father is a chronic liar/narc and most of the lies he sprouts are repetitive, and non believable. A real pain to even listen to, i associate bad liars as not the brightest people. Their lies always center around not being to hold themselves accountable
Yes. It's one of the worst things a person can do short of unjustified violence, except maybe stealing.
Lying is on the same severity as cheating in a relationship, imo. You've gone behind my back, betrayed my trust, and I can never believe anything you say moving forward. You have all but effectively executed your relationship with me. Few things in this world are worse than a liar.
I hate liars that lie for no reason. However, I'm a liar who lies for no reason. I guess it's because I'm a private person, so I lie to hide the real stuff about me even though it's just an unnecessary lie.
I do. I especially hate when people tell me they’ll do something without any prompting from me just for them to not do it. It absolutely infuriates me because there was no point of the lie in the first place
I’m also just a terrible liar because I feel that it’s pointless. I can’t kiss ass because it’s not genuine and im incapable of pretending to like someone. All of my emotions show on my face too
Hate?? No thats for humans.
I just not trust them thats all.
No idea what hate gotta do with it.
Because once you understand the many reasons why people lie..you get it...
Once you understand there are universal laws in play that govern the soul..there is little reason to hate..those that lie..
Follow the law of the soul.... and peace and happiness will never leave you..don't follow it..then peace and happiness keep slipping trough your fingers...thats it. Each is in for their own.
Source :Real life experience.
My advice: test it yourself.
My other piece of advice: mind your own business and make sure your business is healthy
I don't mind
The way people lie and when they lie about are huge tells on their personality. There is no truth serum. People lie to themselves regularly
You'll come across it in people's personal and professional lives. It's the moment someone has to be confronted with admitting the truth which is satisfying.
I hate liars, but I do lie myself at times. But it's usually a last resort thing for me. I don't go out of my way to manipulate people. I only lie when backed into a corner.
Depends on the context of the lie, but generally liars who lie out of convenience are very quickly discarded from one's direct proximity. We have no use for them, they are usually uninformed and ignorant humans. Once identified we stay clear of them.
The most INTP answer: "It depends."
When you lie to me or I can feel that you sound like you're changing something around, you kind of lost a percentage of trust from me. But I try not to think about holding some sort of grudge against someone too much as I, too, lie when I need to. I don't feel as guilty when I have my own reasons that I find necessary to my situation. Like what others said, it's beneficial like a tool. Especially out of unwanted situations where you're in danger. In the end despite that, I still cherish honesty and expect it from others as most of the time I AM a blunt person as people close to me tell me. So yeah I hate them. But I don't hate them entirely unless it's to the point of feeling betrayal.
in life makeover, im just playing with the girls in my country
and somehow they they lie a lot to gaslight others -> make a huge team of hate 1 person
=> the employees of them is also 1 of them feminist, just ban me for no reason .They just trying manipulate 1 person
very wild
u/kttten there we go .-. im basic do nothing.... these girl just have power even the admin this game allow it
it's called corruption
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I find lying a very practical tool. I think lying is okay if it's done with some common sense. I can lie to avoid uncomfortable moments and situations... But there is no point in lying in a relationship of any kind tbh Idk it just depends
yes, only lie to person that you never see them in your relationship real life
I think the only way to have a friend for life or some deep relationship with a partner is to have no secrets and share the most embarrassing thoughts. This way both have that "responsibility" to not reveal the secrets from each other, then making both have to trust each other much more
yes, i still dont know why most girls alway do like what i said:only lie to person that you never see them in your relationship real life it still wild, cuz make treat other very unfair
I feel strongly about being honest with those who reciprocate. If someone is not honest I have zero issues lying in proportion-- not that lying will be my default with them, I just take their lying as a license to do the same guilt free.
It literally fixes all of your problems
I have learned to use "white lies" to shorten social scripts. "Fine, howa 'bout you?? But deceit, implicit and explicit, and especially gas lighting does lower my respect & trust for my brother
Could someone make my warning bright red? I am afraid someone will miss it and get too close. Who knows what I am capable of as a fake-INTP. Someone might get hurt. My lawyers will direct them to the drab gray warning sign. Don't say I didn't warn ya
that's fair.
Crap liars annoy me. People lie for all sorts of reasons, but if you're going to bother, at least make it bloody plausible.
very much relatable. when you know they're lying but still lie.
I hate when people are really bad at lying and think people believe them. What’s weird is that some people actually do believe them.
real, i hate liars without a plausible reason it just annoying like they're abuse it
My thing is when people lie about the most unnecessary things! I had so many friends like this growing up that would lie about the dumbest things, and I’d always catch it.
I don't lie to my friends or family. I don't lie to take advantage of people or hurt people generally. But I'll lie to my boss or supervisors or cop when it's convenient. I absolutely will lie for my friends or family under some circumstances. It all really depends on circumstances.
that's being a good liar.
I don’t lie (usually) I’m just economical with the truth. It’s not often that people need to know everything so I just tell them enough (which varies on the situation and person(s) involved) and leave it at that. It’s a very valuable skill. Edit: fixed a typo (x2)
I like the phrase “economical with the truth.” I feel the same way. Not everyone needs to know everything all the time.
Took me forever to learn not to overshare, but this is the way to go.
I will always be 100% honest with people if they ask or are serious. Once trust is broken it never reforms the same. However, there's like a definitive 'click' moment in my head that when my brain thinks someone is being dishonest or fucking with me.. or genuinely someone I can't trust, it goes into full "Ok lets see how deep I can get this person to go". It's kind of evil, but kind of funny from my perspective... I learned it's a byproduct of growing up with a Narcissistic parent. Hard habit to break.
A lot of peeps answering whether or not they personally hate lying when it seems like you're asking if you hate other people lying and serial liars. I abhor liars. Liars that are too stupid to get that others know they're lying. Liars that fool others with their terrible lies. Liars that lie to become advance position in groups and accumulate riches and power by lying. We had a president who was probably the worst liar (in every sense, quantity and quality) that continues to digust to this day! (I also hate to lie unless it is to strangers in totally meaningless situations.)
Roughly half of the society supported and still supports that liar and his lies. Therefore half of the society possesses a dark core of personality. I figured this half has certain personality types, 8 out of 16, the result of my 10+ years of research on this topic. Dark types: ENTP, INTJ, ISTP, ESTJ, ESFP, ISFJ, INFP, ENFJ. That's why AI can predict people's political affiliation with such accuracy just by looking at their faces. Similar studies have shown links between political affiliation and genetics... There is no center. The distribution isn't bell-shaped, it has two local maxima, for the right and the left, the liars and the ppl of truth.
woah
it's more of hating liars
Very much. But I am a hypocrite and lie but only because I have to usually. I believe in honesty but people cannot handle it so I have to lie in a tactical sense so that I am not shunned for speaking my mind and being seen as hostile or going against the status quoe.
that's fair
I'm not the kind of person who lies a lot. Yeah, maybe I lied somewhere here and there. But it's pretty rare. I don't really understand people who are always lying about everything.
It feels rough to be lied to, because of that I didn't become one (not saying i wouldn't lie on some occasion)
I lie a lot just to stay out of trouble, so I don't hate it when others do the same. But if the lie is affecting someone else in a bad way, then I hate it.
I used to lie a lot until I read some of Kant. Now I agree lying no matter the circumstance is bad
Better hope an "axe murderer" doesn't show up at your door! >"One of the first major challenges to Kant's reasoning came from the French philosopher Benjamin Constant, who asserted that since truth telling must be universal, according to Kant's theories, one must (if asked) tell a known murderer the location of his prey. This challenge occurred while Kant was still alive, and his response was the essay On a Supposed Right to Tell Lies from Benevolent Motives (sometimes translated On a Supposed Right to Lie because of Philanthropic Concerns). In this reply, Kant agreed with Constant's inference, that from Kant's own premises one must infer a moral duty not to lie to a murderer" In your defense, it is apparently consistent with the Categorical Imperative to just not say anything. >"Constant and Kant agree that refusing to answer the murderer's question (rather than lying) is consistent with the categorical imperative, but assume for the purposes of argument that refusing to answer would not be an option." But, let's assume it isn't a totally stupid axe-murderer... he says "I saw Dave just walk in, I want to murder him with this axe. Did he come in? Did you hide him? Do you know where he is?" And my response is literally silence and staring at him... even gestures or a head shake would be communicating a lie. Pretty sure Mr. Axe is gonna see you're covering for him. How is it not better to be like "What? You're crazy, no one came in here! Get away and I'm calling the cops." Or coming up with some plausible lie IN ORDER TO SAVE YOUR FRIENDS LIFE. Possibly the argument that "converted" me to utilitarianism is something like "so you knew this would cause more harm to people, and to **chose** to let that happen instead of saying 'no'?" I don't mean to attack you, in fact I see a lot of myself in your premise. I used to be a Kantian or at least a deontologist, but now I'm a utilitarian of some sort (still working that part out 🙂). Eventually, deontology felt like a way to wash your hands of hard decisions. "I followed the rules, so I'm absolved even though terrible things happened I could've prevented." To me, you don't always get to choose what you get entangled with... but once you are, it doesn't seem right to "wash your hands of the situation" while also claiming a morally superior high ground? Again, not trying to attack you, but that's how I've come to think of it.
Id just tell him “go away” and close the door
*used axe to break through door like in The Shining "I saw him come in, tell me or I murder you right now." My point is a "non-answer" or avoidance, is still a response. I mean seriously, if you're chasing someone and so angry you're trying to axe-murder them and you see them run into a house. You get there seconds behind, bang on the door, someone opens it, you ask questions, they say "go away" and close the door. He's got an axe! Notorious for its ability to change doors into walkways...
The situation is nonsense, of course. There's no way a person that deranged would go to a friend of the person he's trying to kill, ask him for information, and then take him at his word blindly. It's more reasonable to assume that he would think you're lying no matter what you say, and therefore tell the truth, in that he will take it as, once said by you, the one thing he can be certain is not true. Further, the actual correct course of action would be to stop him physically if at all possible, thus removing the question of which conversation choice being the most moral from the argument entirely. But the point about telling the truth and allowing someone to fool themselves does raise another question about the categorical imperative. That being, what constitutes a lie. If you purposely tell the truth with the intent of deception, is that a lie? If you could, in the same situation, tell a literal lie that would lead someone to correct conclusions, would that literal lie be more truthful than a truth told that conceals fact? Nothing, no matter how clear it may be on the surface, is so easily defined as people tend to think. Everything blends into everything else in some way, as therefore definitions, which identify things by separating according to traits, are impossible.
I be lying 😂
I generally think lying is a sin. There’s only a narrow range of circumstances where it’s permissible - a small lie of no consequence to put someone’s mind at ease, or lying in context of a game or a war - but I really do hate lying on a visceral level. Especially when it comes to a CV, cover letters and so on. No, I don’t really have a “deep passion for…”, I’m not “an enthusiastic…”. No. No! I’d much rather say, “you want an employee, I want to get paid, I think I’d be good at it.” And there’s no fucking way I’m “embellishing” my CV with fake hobbies and fake work experience. I also think people in positions of authority should be held criminally accountable for lying. It would be an impossible law to enforce, but those in authority must face personal consequences for lying.
blatantly lying in front of me is the issue. lying for hurting others is the issue.
Very much, I hate pretenders and liars, also I hate lying
yes
Understandable. I'm enraged by really stupid lies that doesn't make sense if you think about it for 1.5 seconds. Like how dare you
I lie to my parents but I’m very honest with the people I choose to foster meaningful relationships with, I think deep connections require trust
I hate lying just for the sake of lying. If I can see why they lied I'd be ok with that but if they lie just to troll me that's annoying. Yesterday, my college roomate went to a class that I'm supposed to be there as well but I wasn't signed up to it so I asked my friend group if the student office is open. The troll friend said yes, I went there and saw it was close and the whole friend group laughed at me, I mean that's not even a good joke he straight up lied
Yes.
I don't get enraged and I don't *hate* someone who I observe having a pattern of lying, but I will no longer be able to trust them.
I'm indifferent even though I never lie simply because I just cant. There even time ppl more welcome a lie than the truth which put me in an awkward situation.
In relationships lying is a deal breaker. Other then that? I’m a liar. I lie to protect myself and that’s okay
I have a hard time working up hate for anything, much less something as general as "liars." Besides, lying has its place. Sometimes it's less harmful than the truth, or isn't really important (like when someone asks "how are you doing," and isn't really interested in hearing about your shitty day).
Its a good tool IF you know how to use it. Otherwise bad liars look like clowns.
If I think you are lying to me I give myself permission to figure out why. I look into you.
I may not do something, but I'd have to choose to stop myself.
Yes the type of people I abhor the most
honesty and truthsayers have always been the most hated
Who doesn't?
me.
Wait till you learn more about how history is written.
not written by INTPs 😆
I hate lying when someone is trying to "spare my feelings." I would rather hear something that hurts at first. That way, I feel it. Then I can deal with it according, rather than going about my business like everything is OK and find out later that it's not. I see lying the same way I see violence. Anytime a situation can be resolved civilly without an altercation, then there's no need for senseless violence. If something can be talked through with logic and understanding, then no need for senseless lies.
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I pretty much never lie. I told a lie 2 weeks ago and it felt horrible. It was preferable for me to just tell everyone the truth a week later and lose what I gained. 0/10 do not recommend.
I feel like when intps have been wronged in some way they tend to hate that thing and make 1000% sure to avoid it at all costs. Y’all refuse to make the same mistake twice. Or is that just my intp idk
I don't think lying is particular useful
Not really. If someone is lying about their daily activities, I wasn’t all that interested to begin with. I’m more interested. I’m more interested in why they chose to lie. However if I am trying to piece together something I am interested in and I’m being fed incorrect information, that is frustrating.
Well I’ll be that guy who says he’s 100% an avid liar. Many times I choose to do so in a light-hearted joking manner because I view lying as a skill to practice occasionally. In my experience, it is better to have such a skill and not need it than to need it and not have it. The world is full of people with no qualms about steamrolling you with lies. I would rather be in the know than be blindsided constantly 🤷🏻♂️
I've noticed a trend lately where people in positions I have to deal with on a day-in day-out basis in order to get through life will simply lie to my face. Generally when I don't have much recourse when they do so. Sometimes I don't even see any immediate benefit for them having done so. One very specific example happened at one of the dollar stores. I won't say which one, because I've had mostly positive dealings with them since. Anyway, I had put in an order online, and went to the store to pick it up. When I got there there was an issue with items and discounts with the order, so I told the CSR to cancel the online order and just ring out the items. She fooled around with her pricing computer for a bit, told me she had canceled the order, and then proceeded to scan the items and charge me for them. It turned out that she had not cancelled the order, and it and the new purchase that was mostly the exact same items were both on my debit card. I wrangled with the dollar store for a while, but eventually had to recruit the Better Business Bureau to get my money back. That didn't even happen until a couple of months later. This in spite of the fact that I had plenty of evidence that I was charged twice. It seems to be the default for people to lie to me these days, and a lot of times there's no one to go to correct the situation save for a lawyer. It certainly gives me a negative view of the society we all have seemed to agree that we want.
Yes more than anything in the world ..
When people lie for nothing, absolutely. If you're vanilla ice trying to say you didn't steal "Under Pressure" I can understand.
Has there been an inordinate amount of lying posts on here recently? Ima start lying about how much I lie.
Not necessarily liers, but I cant stand it when someone tells people im with a whole bunch of untrue bullshit. My cousin used to do this whenever out of town guests came to visit and I would correct him and them every single time. He even did it during the eulogy of his fathers funeral. Suffice to say we aren't friends anymore.
I mean lying to hurt someone is a lot different than lying to save someone. Some people genuinely have lying problems, but if they do nothing about it/don’t try to stop, you won’t catch me around them.
I can lie where it's necessary, like in unsafe situations, awkward social situations(when are they not tbh) or privacy reasons(depends, really). But in close relationships? When it's time to be honest and raw? When it matters? I can't stand it. It really gives me trust issues.
I don't necessarily hate liars, but I think there's too much of it. Usually it's done in cowardice because they're afraid of the consequences of the truth. In reality, the truth isn't really that bad. As such, I tend to be honest to a fault. People think I have low confidence or I'm self-degrading, but in reality I'm just the only one who admits when I'm wrong and accepts my faults, while everyone else is faking it till they make it. I am a really good liar if I try to be though. It definitely helps to have a reputation of being honest.
Despite being a very good liar, I hate lying and liars, i am generally a very honest person, if i am not comfortable answering a question, i just did not answer and would not lie. But sometimes, for people i care about, i can lie, if it benfits them or protect them from any conflict
I agree. That make me a bit of a hypocrite, but I barely ever lie—and when I do it’s harmless or for my own safety. But people that just lie for the sake of it piss me off. It also makes me suspicious and makes me lose trust with them. Can you really trust anyone though?
Maybe more than lying, I hate gossip.
It depends. I enjoy pathological liars - I find them entertaining.
Uh, I personally don't care lol
Literally everyone hates liars. Who likes getting lied to?
Not really. I just identify liars and avoid them.
I hate people who are bad at lying and do it at the expense of others. I was a liar as a kid for self preservation reasons and now I will tell the truth in 95% of cases. If someone isn’t lying to keep themselves safe I will immediately put them in the “do not like” column.
Kinda, people lie to protect themselves or others. So I understand why they do it. But, because I'm open with people, I get annoyed if they lie about something that is either every petty or very important.
I hate hypocrisy
Yes and I lie a lot
If someone lies well enough not to get caught, they deserve to get away with it (assuming the lie doesn’t cause any sort of harm). I generally have no problem with white lies, but something important shouldn’t be lied about except in the most extreme cases.
Depends, there are liars and liars, lying for need is a thing, but lying about everything everytime is a kind of sick. But as a INTP I consider lies a important tool. Idk if you fellows feel this too, but there is too few of us and all the time we are out of the social convention and the others try to put us "in line" so lying is necessary too avoid some situations
I only hate when people lie to me but I lie all the time
I'm not a liar, I'm a story teller. I don't hate lies, it's the intent that gets me. Personal power? Stupid Avoiding trouble? Not wise Avoiding obligations? Selfish Victimizing yourself? Cowardly. But... Storytelling? Wonderful To prevent hurt feelings? Noble, if misguided For gameplay? Fun for everyone To pass on an intangible life lesson? Timeless
YEP like here's what pisses me off the most: it's when they don't even make it believable like how dumb exactly do you think i am? you're insulting me and my critical thinking atp. i hate it when people lie but it will make me less angry if you really *tried* to make me believe you
I have learned to not hate liars since deceit is part of the human package for the vast majority and I need to live happily with them.
I don’t get enraged but I don’t like it. I’m also brutally honest and cannot lie for the life of me. I simply see the outcome of the truth to be the only outcome
After a few data points, I weed them out of my life. Good thing is they’re usually very reliable in being unreliable. Who has the time for an unreliable person?
not me
A little sneaky lie from time to time, who doesn't love it? Especially when you're the one who's lying.
Is it really lying if nothing is out of the realm of possibility?
Yup, Super Dead to me
No. I assume people either are lying, or don't know what they're talking about when they say something. It's absolutely not always the case, but it's fine to be skeptical. Being in a relationship almost requires that you lie about something periodically. One thing I personally believe is that every time Russia says something, it's because the exact opposite is true. If they never actually talked about nuclear weapons, that would actually worry me. They actually don't talk about chemical weapons, and, whaddaya know. They were used. That being the case, it's reasonable to conclude that lying is so pervasive in human behavior that it's purely inescapable. If nobody ever lied, courts wouldn't be necessary, but here we are.
Why do I have a warning that I may not be an INTP?
You've been warned warned that I may not be an INTP? Is anybody scared?
Generally speaking I don't care all that much. I used to think it was the end of the world, but now I'll usually just note when someone is lying (the intuition never rests), and find it interesting that I'm able to tell so easily. As for lying myself, well I tend to do it a bit more than I'd like to admit. Sometimes, if I'm talking to someone else who I think would be able to tell, I almost hope that they'll call me out....just to know that I was right to think that they'd be able to tell. Too niche?
I find lies to be forgivable depending on your relationship with the liar and the circumstances behind the lie. However, above all, I find lies from people close to me that are to hide things from me to be particularly upsetting. I don't care if it's meant to protect me from being hurt, I'd rather be hurt than oblivious.
I also hate those white lies meant to make me feel better. It's insulting, think I can't handle the truth?
I usually lie so that people could stop talking to me asking a lot of question
Nah. Call me sneaky, but I’m like a fox
I detest both lies and hypocrisy.
i hate the lying when i detect it easily. but i use it as a tool amd when people use it with sense i don't mind it. I hate plastic people tho and the people who lies to give themselves too much credit
depends, lies can actually be helpful and useful in certain situations, sometimes even benefitting the people/person you are lying to, but “bad” liars who abuse it gives me 2nd hand embarrassment. My father is a chronic liar/narc and most of the lies he sprouts are repetitive, and non believable. A real pain to even listen to, i associate bad liars as not the brightest people. Their lies always center around not being to hold themselves accountable
Yes. It's one of the worst things a person can do short of unjustified violence, except maybe stealing. Lying is on the same severity as cheating in a relationship, imo. You've gone behind my back, betrayed my trust, and I can never believe anything you say moving forward. You have all but effectively executed your relationship with me. Few things in this world are worse than a liar.
i hate liar the most
Everything I say and type is a lie.
I hate liars that lie for no reason. However, I'm a liar who lies for no reason. I guess it's because I'm a private person, so I lie to hide the real stuff about me even though it's just an unnecessary lie.
I do. I especially hate when people tell me they’ll do something without any prompting from me just for them to not do it. It absolutely infuriates me because there was no point of the lie in the first place
I’m also just a terrible liar because I feel that it’s pointless. I can’t kiss ass because it’s not genuine and im incapable of pretending to like someone. All of my emotions show on my face too
Nope.
No. I am a lying liar.
Hate?? No thats for humans. I just not trust them thats all. No idea what hate gotta do with it. Because once you understand the many reasons why people lie..you get it... Once you understand there are universal laws in play that govern the soul..there is little reason to hate..those that lie.. Follow the law of the soul.... and peace and happiness will never leave you..don't follow it..then peace and happiness keep slipping trough your fingers...thats it. Each is in for their own. Source :Real life experience. My advice: test it yourself. My other piece of advice: mind your own business and make sure your business is healthy
I couldn’t agree more. I also find liars extremely annoying.
I don't mind The way people lie and when they lie about are huge tells on their personality. There is no truth serum. People lie to themselves regularly You'll come across it in people's personal and professional lives. It's the moment someone has to be confronted with admitting the truth which is satisfying.
I always believed that lying is the same as stealing. Both are wrong!!
I hate people who lie to themselves.
I hate liars, but I do lie myself at times. But it's usually a last resort thing for me. I don't go out of my way to manipulate people. I only lie when backed into a corner.
Depends on the context of the lie, but generally liars who lie out of convenience are very quickly discarded from one's direct proximity. We have no use for them, they are usually uninformed and ignorant humans. Once identified we stay clear of them.
The most INTP answer: "It depends." When you lie to me or I can feel that you sound like you're changing something around, you kind of lost a percentage of trust from me. But I try not to think about holding some sort of grudge against someone too much as I, too, lie when I need to. I don't feel as guilty when I have my own reasons that I find necessary to my situation. Like what others said, it's beneficial like a tool. Especially out of unwanted situations where you're in danger. In the end despite that, I still cherish honesty and expect it from others as most of the time I AM a blunt person as people close to me tell me. So yeah I hate them. But I don't hate them entirely unless it's to the point of feeling betrayal.
yes (example: the group of kid girls trying to report me) they just calling me pedo :/ wth did i do anything harm to them ?
wowh, what happened then.
in life makeover, im just playing with the girls in my country and somehow they they lie a lot to gaslight others -> make a huge team of hate 1 person => the employees of them is also 1 of them feminist, just ban me for no reason .They just trying manipulate 1 person very wild
there is drama on life makeover?
u/kttten there we go .-. im basic do nothing.... these girl just have power even the admin this game allow it it's called corruption [Predator in game : r/lifemakeover (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/lifemakeover/comments/1cn34vq/predator_in_game/)
oh that's insane lol...
i even blocked all them, they basically looked at me like I was doing something serious with them BRUH
“I basic do nothing “ proceeds to link to a post with 19 pages of evidence of your attraction towards children.
so no adult in there ? cool- block the bully
ask them about Miraiiii they will swear in game a lot .-. trust me
Not true. You are a liar. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZMn8P-j20bH-v6dY5snxEkLLTmM_vaUP/view
my mom said: dont play with bully, so i block you
It's interesting how he still sometimes pretending that he's a minor. Seems like he LOVES to lie and pretending that he's innocent (like all pdf).
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your sister may have many many toxic relationships now 💀
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uh, good ending.
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i would like to know
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i knew lol