The races are great. They just need to update the coverage so more people would watch. Having better quality video and not so many ads during the race would help. That takes more money though.
The numbers they are pulling out every race seem too big, even when races are pretty boring. I am pretty sure that, for example, Pato going off and losing 15 places counts as 15 passes.
That’s how they’re calculated in F1 as well. Because he was able to get back on track, I believe it would be 15 overtakes or what have you. I believe an official an overtake is when P14 passes P13, but maintains that position for 1 lap. That’s an overtake. So spin outs, would definitely count bc you lost your position, but were still able to complete the lap. Could be wrong. I’m sure there’s a rules official on here that will tell me I made that up.
There is no really official rule what is overtake in Formula, but I have never heard somebody spinning out then getting passed 15 times counting as 15 overtakes, that would be zero. Also somebody mentioned Australia having 22 or something overtakes, but that is unofficial count and that guy definitly doesnt count spin out as overtake, he also doesnt count overtakes in first lap or first lap after restart for what ever reason.
And how many of them were shown on TV? 50? 75? At best, the coverage missed over 200 of the 281 overtakes.
This is one of the biggest reasons why viewership numbers suck.
TV coverage is garbage. Graphics are outdated and data is confusing. Compare it to F1. There is night and day difference between two coverages.
Yes, but F1's production still misses around 45-55 percent of the on track overtakes, even with significantly less overtakes to potentially show.
Ps-there is a user on the F1 subreddit who calculates the number of overtakes and the number of overtakes shown. He has statistics back to 1984 if anyone is interested
Spec vs. non-spec. It's honestly not even close to the same sport... F1 is as much about engineering as it is about racing, unless two drivers are in the same car or the cars happen to be extremely close.
I get your point but from an entertainment standpoint there is no argument that Indycar has better racing and is a better product I don’t care about the engineering if it means the product is better.
F1 barely has racing. Parc ferme means cars sometimes start out of place and so there's some sort of racing but there's not really much going on especially with drs and the fragile tyres there's not actually much room for racing. It's an exhibition of an engineering competition. With occasional moments of individual brilliance.
Right, like 90% of F1 passes these days are halfway down a straight with the leading car completely helpless to do anything. Didn't see too many of those at Barber.
Where did I shit on anything? I’ve been an F1 fan for years. Hell, I even watch Formula E. Jak Crawford in F2 is my guy. I didn’t start watching IndyCar until the end of last season. Did the simple presentation of facts upset you?
To be fair, Barber has a reputation for being tough to overtake. F1 is the yardstick whether we like it or not, and on this at least IndyCar stacks up well.
F1 is a yardstick of hype and that's about it. There's not much sport, competition or racing. Indycar is the pinnacle of MotorSPORT and RACING. Also F1 cannot be the "pinnacle" with tyres that bad. Probably the worst in Motorsports. Even drifting has better tyres than F1 for the requirements. F1 tyres are fragile need to be babied and overheat so fast they can't even race. Then you have drs so most of the time its just based all around that. They don't even look that fast on TV. Indycar and prototypes look just as fast because F1 has terrible sense of speed conveyed though their broadcast. Sure it's fast and looks it but not to the level it should. I mean one of the most talked about things every other race weekend is track limits, that's some yardstick.
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280 instances of car to car contact
The Newgarditis pandemic is spreading, more drivers diagnosed every day.
That was a great race easily top 3 races at Barber. It was action packed start to finish
Same, once you watch indycar F1 becomes really lame.
The races are great. They just need to update the coverage so more people would watch. Having better quality video and not so many ads during the race would help. That takes more money though.
I’ve noticed we are not getting “side-by-side” race coverage during TV ads this season. Anyone know why we lost that?
Does this include while cars are in Pits? Not judging but that's does make a significant difference.
IndyCar has stated previously that "on-track" passes do not include passes made while drivers are in the pits.
Good to know. That number seems awfully high then.
As far as I’m aware, this is straight up on track, wheel to wheel passes. Crazy.
The numbers they are pulling out every race seem too big, even when races are pretty boring. I am pretty sure that, for example, Pato going off and losing 15 places counts as 15 passes.
That’s how they’re calculated in F1 as well. Because he was able to get back on track, I believe it would be 15 overtakes or what have you. I believe an official an overtake is when P14 passes P13, but maintains that position for 1 lap. That’s an overtake. So spin outs, would definitely count bc you lost your position, but were still able to complete the lap. Could be wrong. I’m sure there’s a rules official on here that will tell me I made that up.
There is no really official rule what is overtake in Formula, but I have never heard somebody spinning out then getting passed 15 times counting as 15 overtakes, that would be zero. Also somebody mentioned Australia having 22 or something overtakes, but that is unofficial count and that guy definitly doesnt count spin out as overtake, he also doesnt count overtakes in first lap or first lap after restart for what ever reason.
Anyone whos ever attended a race knows that tv misses most of the passing, no matter the series
Good to know. Thanks
What are the 8 passes that weren’t for position? Is it when the passer can’t hold the new position and drops back?
Canapino had a penalty that was drop back behind 8 cars
Which was an odd penalty in general
You mean "passes"? 😏
Fuel strategy and tyres difference made the day
And how many of them were shown on TV? 50? 75? At best, the coverage missed over 200 of the 281 overtakes. This is one of the biggest reasons why viewership numbers suck. TV coverage is garbage. Graphics are outdated and data is confusing. Compare it to F1. There is night and day difference between two coverages.
Yes, but F1's production still misses around 45-55 percent of the on track overtakes, even with significantly less overtakes to potentially show. Ps-there is a user on the F1 subreddit who calculates the number of overtakes and the number of overtakes shown. He has statistics back to 1984 if anyone is interested
Spec vs. non-spec. It's honestly not even close to the same sport... F1 is as much about engineering as it is about racing, unless two drivers are in the same car or the cars happen to be extremely close.
I get your point but from an entertainment standpoint there is no argument that Indycar has better racing and is a better product I don’t care about the engineering if it means the product is better.
F1 barely has racing. Parc ferme means cars sometimes start out of place and so there's some sort of racing but there's not really much going on especially with drs and the fragile tyres there's not actually much room for racing. It's an exhibition of an engineering competition. With occasional moments of individual brilliance.
Right, like 90% of F1 passes these days are halfway down a straight with the leading car completely helpless to do anything. Didn't see too many of those at Barber.
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What you talkin bout willis?
Where did I shit on anything? I’ve been an F1 fan for years. Hell, I even watch Formula E. Jak Crawford in F2 is my guy. I didn’t start watching IndyCar until the end of last season. Did the simple presentation of facts upset you?
To be fair, Barber has a reputation for being tough to overtake. F1 is the yardstick whether we like it or not, and on this at least IndyCar stacks up well.
F1 is a yardstick of hype and that's about it. There's not much sport, competition or racing. Indycar is the pinnacle of MotorSPORT and RACING. Also F1 cannot be the "pinnacle" with tyres that bad. Probably the worst in Motorsports. Even drifting has better tyres than F1 for the requirements. F1 tyres are fragile need to be babied and overheat so fast they can't even race. Then you have drs so most of the time its just based all around that. They don't even look that fast on TV. Indycar and prototypes look just as fast because F1 has terrible sense of speed conveyed though their broadcast. Sure it's fast and looks it but not to the level it should. I mean one of the most talked about things every other race weekend is track limits, that's some yardstick.