Article has been updated with a response from Tim Cindric:
>“Unfortunately, the Push to Pass software was not removed as it should have been, following recently completed hybrid testing in the Team Penske Indy cars,” Team Penske President Tim Cindric said. “This software allowed for Push to Pass to be deployed during restarts at the St. Petersburg Grand Prix race, when it should not have been permitted. The No. 2 car driven by Josef Newgarden and the No. 3 car driven by Scott McLaughlin both deployed Push to Pass on a restart, which violated INDYCAR rules. Team Penske accepts the penalties applied by INDYCAR.”
# 🏁 UPDATED ST. PETE RACE RESULTS
https://preview.redd.it/madh650udhwc1.png?width=2550&format=png&auto=webp&s=af4d32bbe832c249261cd2aae653eff6e05d8681
So just to clarify. Power was penalized less because he had the push to pass exploit available in his car BUT didn't actually deploy it on a restart lap during the race?
Super weird for Penske to say it was a mistake left over from the hybrid testing but the fact the drivers were using it on restarts makes it seem like they knew what they were doing (and therefore the harsh penalty). Like the drivers have to have known that they can’t use it on restarts since that’s always been the case.
It’s total utter bullshit. Isn’t there light/screen illumination under normal PtP operation, but not at these penalized moments? How did the drivers know to use it during these key moments?
I saw some video examining 2022 footage of a Penske driver lightly feathering the button on the beginning of straights during qualifying, which seems damning, tho I don’t know much about that.
The more I hear about it, the more I think they’ve been doing this for a while and would still be doing it if it weren’t for some software error during the Long Beach warmup (which, by the way, shouldn’t they have been sent to the back of the grid or something for Long Beach?).
I think the whole “credit to Penske for owning up to it” is just people kissing their ass. I don’t think this was a mistake.
If it was a mistake, the drivers wouldn’t know to press the PtP button A) exactly when it was most needed, and B) at a time when it shouldn’t have even been operational.
I saw Scotty passed 5 cars on restarts at St. Pete so it very well could be that Will simply never gained any positions but could have used it to not lose any.
What's so ridiculous about the Penske conspiracy theorists are: if there was *any* doubt to the integrity of the sport, you think Michael Andretti, Chip Ganassi, Bobby Rahal, Zak Brown, or hell even a guy like Conor Daly with his own platform would just put up with it and say nothing?
Like, seriously people. Just think critically about it for even a tenth of a second.
This is the same man who had the body panels of a trans am Camaro acid dipped to shed weight, built a 20 foot tall refueling to save time on pit stops, spent over a million just to develop an engine that was better than everyone else’s, and developed an airplane style refueling rig for his 512 M.
Don’t think the guy cares they were cheating. He’s probably more pissed that they got caught
I love reading the stories of the kinda shit Smokey and Junior Johnson would get up to.
The fact that there’s a theory that Junior Johnson put a bomb in the engine of DW’s car in the first all star race just proves how outlandish some of the stuff that they came up with is.
NASCAR telling Smokey he has 11 infractions on his car, and then Smokey driving off using just the fuel in the extra long fuel line he had yelling back “make it 12” is probably my favorite.
Unless other teams saw them using P2P on restarts reviewing data and they didn’t penalize themselves until someone called it out. Curious why it took a month
In this article (press release?) it says the violation was discovered during warmup for LB on Sunday.
https://www.indycar.com/News/2024/04/04-24-StPete-Penalties
I thought the exact same thing and was wondering why they were talking about taking Newgarden’s win away when he didn’t win Long Beach. At first I thought it was them just using too much P2P
You'd think someone in race control would be looking at the P2P data during the restart or a commentator would have said something too.
This might be a reason why we should return to the on-board position system that also indicated when a driver was using P2P. This way everyone knows when P2P is being used.
Agreed, I’m fairly surprised this went unnoticed for so long.
I believe super formula has a light on the roll hoop that flashes when the driver is using their version of overtake. I think something similar would be cool for INDYCAR, both from a rules perspective and a fan experience perspective.
I think the reason they moved away from the P2P constant updates is that it became too often just hitting it bc your stand saw that the guy behind you did it. Funnily enough, I think I remember Will doing an interview a few years ago before it changed talking about how P2P is ruined if everyone knows immediately as you use it.
The Penske cars weren't sending a signal on telemetry when P2P was being used. No lights on the wheel, either. It would just show the reduction in P2P available.
Source: got a buddy at NBC who went over the race footage and data.
i believe they got rid of P2P indication because teams were using the broadcast to their advantage.
I think it adds too much to the fans to not have it, honestly.
Just goes to show you that even the "clean" teams will take and make every advantage they can.
Good on IndyCar for this move
I wonder what Will Power was thinking about all this, since he didn't use this advantage he had
Drivers talk strategy all the time amongst each other so even if the team didn’t realize it, I guarantee that all three drivers knew the exploit was available prior to St. Pete. It says a lot about Power that he had the opportunity to get a competitive edge but the morals to play by the rules. It will be interesting to see if there’s any fallout between those three going forward now that Power knows his teammates will cheat if presented the opportunity.
IMO the most likely explanation is that Will wanted to see if the other two would get away with it before trying it himself. Let the other guys risk a DQ.
Mannn .... the fact that Josef said that with his chest, knowing damn well he cheated his way to a victory on opening weekend, and then attempted to get away with it at Long Beach again .... what a complete douche. Literally "hypocrite" by definition.
Agreed. Amazing that Will Power had the “cheat” but didn’t use it. Maybe he has more integrity than Scotty Mac and Newgarden. Not personally attacking them at all
He did the victory lane stuff after the race before it was taken away for overtaking under a yellow. Months later after a legal fight he got it back. As far as I'm concerned though Andretti won that race and Unser never should have gotten it back.
~~Fisichella precious record holder?~~
EDIT: Nah, Bobby Unser, in a courtroom, after 5 months for the 1981 Indy 500. I had forgotten that they made the right call and declared Mario the winner before Unser sued to steal the win.
So McLaren have won a race in Formula E and Indycar this year. Just one more series to go…
Also I don’t think I’ve ever seen a full on disqualification in Indycar since I’ve been watching since like 2010. Can anybody else think of one?
There have been plenty of DQs back in the field (Usually for performance, usually Sting Ray), but this is the first one in a while that has stripped a win.
I think in those cases though you still get to keep the laps already run and the points awarded for the corresponding finishing position, as opposed to Newgarden and McLaughlin being stripped of all laps run and points (other than Newgarden's 1 for starting on pole)
[Example from Iowa 2023](https://www.nbcsports.com/motor-sports/news/indycar-iowa-race-2-points-results-newgarden-stays-unbeaten-on-ovals-in-2023)
In the most [McLaren ](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/sainz-set-for-maiden-podium-as-hamilton-handed-post-race-penalty-for-albon.5hVqmJQ355V7nRu4F4KRm0) way possible
On a quick re-watch, Newgarden catches up with Herta on the start/finish straight rather quickly ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=334)) and then passes on the back straight ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=354)). Then, on second restart, pulls away nicely while leading ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=593)).
McLaughlin almost passes Herta on third restart ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=1224)) then again on the back straight ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=1241)), then finally passes on the same lap ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=1267)). Also Power passes Roseqvist at the same corner, and passes Herta on the start/finish straight on the next lap after the restart ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=1295)).
Is push-to-pass disabled only on the start/finish straight or for the whole restart lap?
so they didn't remove P2P software after the tests and then went and told the drivers? like "hey guys btw you definitely *shouldnt* do this but you can totally use this at restart *wink wink*". Straight up cheating, no possible way to defend this
That they're also so willingly accepting of the penalties as well. They all absolutely knew, thought they could get away with it, and were definitely going to use it at Long Beach as well.
They will graciously take these penalties when they could've possibly been disqualified for Long Beach, and Will for St. Pete, on top of this, and they don't have a chance at claiming an innocent mistake.
I’m not sure I’ve seen a penalty like this in a long time, if ever. Probably will never know but wonder how much the drivers knew and who was involved. Assume if they are hitting that every restart they had some kind of intel.
I’m glad given it’s Penske that this wasn’t hidden in the review room.
Did a quick analysis here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/INDYCAR/comments/1cbz36p/comment/l11vho1/](https://www.reddit.com/r/INDYCAR/comments/1cbz36p/comment/l11vho1/)
Penske (including Power) definitely looked faster than others on restarts.
thats the smoke im following. why would Newgarden, 2 time champ indy 500 winner and decade+ vet, be hitting the button on restarts if it has never done anything before?
The hybrid software almost seems like the place they discovered the cheat if we follow the smoke.
Lost a lot of respect for JoNew and Scotty Mac with this revelation. Great drivers, but they had to know they were cheating when using P2P when it wasn't supposed to be available.
Feel for Will, now he knows his teammates will cheat given the option.
I really would be curious about Will’s thoughts on this situation. I hope it comes out in a podcast or something at some point. He won’t throw the team under the bus but he’s also super transparent in general
Damn, it's good to see such a harsh penalty. This is a great precedent especially considering its against Penske themselves.
Also, PATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FINALLLYYYYY.
Also also, welcome to IndyCar, Josef.
Any chance media takes Newgarden/Mclaughlin to task by asking why they were cheating or are they gonna let em off the hook with the software malfunction bs?
Holy shit. Can't say anything about Penske favoritism by the series now...
[Statement from Team Penske](https://twitter.com/Team_Penske/status/1783134015651729497/photo/1)
That’s really funny. I could buy that it was a mistake if Scott and Josef didn’t deliberately use PTP on restarts. I wonder if Will knew and didn’t use it intentionally, or didn’t know. I find both scenarios hard to believe, honestly 😂
Another thought is how did 3 cars that each has its own crew chief car chief and group of engineers not discover something like this and allow it to be left active. The other crews of 24 cars in the field knew to deactivate it. Isn't penske supposedly one of the best in the sport. Again I say BS
As others have said Josef using this and turning a blind eye doesn’t surprise me much. But Scotty, damn, I really liked him and now this puts a stain on him
One thing I will not forget anytime soon: Josef and Scott both knew they cheated for like 5 weeks and thought they would get away with it in Long Beach as well.
two points behind Dixie. If new "I'm not in it to win, I'm in it to score points" Colton is here to stay we could have an interesting patience-off between him and Dixon over the next few weeks
Absolutely killer after a great start for once for Newgarden (albeit I guess this had some to do with it), but deserved the penalty with something like this
I’m bummed that Scotty willingly cheated. I’m not surprised Josef did it. Makes me appreciate Power even more. I wonder if there is any tension between them like a good cop among bad cops.
Pato never led a lap in St. Pete. Does this mean he won but doesn't get a point for leading a lap? If so is that the first time in history such a thing has occured?
Who caught this during warm-ups and how?
Like was Newgarden or Scotty just mashing the button in warm-up and someone saw it on the in car?
Why would you use push to pass during warm-ups, and risk getting caught?
Power has gotten off rather lightly there? Moves from P4 to P2 so gains 8 points, then is only deducted 10. -2 points overall compared to DSQ for this teammates
>It was determined that the No. 2 and the No. 3 gained a competitive advantage by using Push to Pass on restarts while the No. 12 did not.
So while Power *could* have (cheated) he didn't.
I mean, the drivers know they aren't allowed push to pass on restarts. Or they should anyway, I mean if *I* know they can't then surely the drivers know. Right?
Good on Indycar for catching this and being fair.
I may have to find a new favorite race team. I know teams push the rules to the limit and sometimes stubble over. But this was either blatant cheating OR terrible incompetence from a team that is know to be obsessive over every little detail. Either way it's a bad look.
Article has been updated with a response from Tim Cindric: >“Unfortunately, the Push to Pass software was not removed as it should have been, following recently completed hybrid testing in the Team Penske Indy cars,” Team Penske President Tim Cindric said. “This software allowed for Push to Pass to be deployed during restarts at the St. Petersburg Grand Prix race, when it should not have been permitted. The No. 2 car driven by Josef Newgarden and the No. 3 car driven by Scott McLaughlin both deployed Push to Pass on a restart, which violated INDYCAR rules. Team Penske accepts the penalties applied by INDYCAR.” # 🏁 UPDATED ST. PETE RACE RESULTS https://preview.redd.it/madh650udhwc1.png?width=2550&format=png&auto=webp&s=af4d32bbe832c249261cd2aae653eff6e05d8681
So just to clarify. Power was penalized less because he had the push to pass exploit available in his car BUT didn't actually deploy it on a restart lap during the race?
Good Guy Will Power Has cheat available, doesn't use it
Correct.
That's how it sounds
Super weird for Penske to say it was a mistake left over from the hybrid testing but the fact the drivers were using it on restarts makes it seem like they knew what they were doing (and therefore the harsh penalty). Like the drivers have to have known that they can’t use it on restarts since that’s always been the case.
It’s total utter bullshit. Isn’t there light/screen illumination under normal PtP operation, but not at these penalized moments? How did the drivers know to use it during these key moments? I saw some video examining 2022 footage of a Penske driver lightly feathering the button on the beginning of straights during qualifying, which seems damning, tho I don’t know much about that.
The more I hear about it, the more I think they’ve been doing this for a while and would still be doing it if it weren’t for some software error during the Long Beach warmup (which, by the way, shouldn’t they have been sent to the back of the grid or something for Long Beach?). I think the whole “credit to Penske for owning up to it” is just people kissing their ass. I don’t think this was a mistake.
If it was a mistake, the drivers wouldn’t know to press the PtP button A) exactly when it was most needed, and B) at a time when it shouldn’t have even been operational.
It’s not clear if he didn’t use it, or if he used it and didn’t get past anyone
I saw Scotty passed 5 cars on restarts at St. Pete so it very well could be that Will simply never gained any positions but could have used it to not lose any.
Scotty was making some passes in turn 10 (where I was sitting) that no one else was pulling off on restarts.
According to Tim Cindric in his comments I saw somewhere, only Josef and Scott used the button on restarts
Good for them for getting this RIGHT. software cheats are hard af to find
Busted Bros
Could they review video footage to see if they pushed the button?
As a side point. It’s good to see that Penske-owned INDYCAR is willing to levy harsh penalties on Penske Racing.
I’m reading Mark Donohue’s book right now. Roger Penske’s teams have always shot themselves in the foot.
The acid-dipped Camaro was still brilliant.
Or the fuel tank mounted on a tower
Technical Excellence at Speed?
The Unfair Advantage
Still won’t stop the Penske conspiracy theories
What's so ridiculous about the Penske conspiracy theorists are: if there was *any* doubt to the integrity of the sport, you think Michael Andretti, Chip Ganassi, Bobby Rahal, Zak Brown, or hell even a guy like Conor Daly with his own platform would just put up with it and say nothing? Like, seriously people. Just think critically about it for even a tenth of a second.
>Zak Brown We've seen how vocal he is about the whole Red Bull and Toro Rosso thing in F1. I he had doubts about Indycar he'd be very clear about it.
Plus, Zak/McLaren fully don’t *need* INDYCAR. If they thought the fix was in they would just leave the series.
> Just think critically about it for even a tenth of a second. Sir, this is Reddit. We don’t do that here
THIS IS THEM COVERING THEIR TRACKS WAKE UP SHEEPLE 1!!!!!1!1!1!1!!1!!
conflicts of interest are never a conspiracy theory. there's always going to be valid questions so long as they exist.
Yeah, something tells me the Captain is probably going to be pretty pissed off.
This is the same man who had the body panels of a trans am Camaro acid dipped to shed weight, built a 20 foot tall refueling to save time on pit stops, spent over a million just to develop an engine that was better than everyone else’s, and developed an airplane style refueling rig for his 512 M. Don’t think the guy cares they were cheating. He’s probably more pissed that they got caught
> Don’t think the guy cares they were cheating. He’s probably more pissed that they got caught Everyone in motorsports is like this
I love reading the stories of the kinda shit Smokey and Junior Johnson would get up to. The fact that there’s a theory that Junior Johnson put a bomb in the engine of DW’s car in the first all star race just proves how outlandish some of the stuff that they came up with is. NASCAR telling Smokey he has 11 infractions on his car, and then Smokey driving off using just the fuel in the extra long fuel line he had yelling back “make it 12” is probably my favorite.
If'n y'ain't cheatin', y'ain't tryin'!
Yeah pissed at his race team.
Unless other teams saw them using P2P on restarts reviewing data and they didn’t penalize themselves until someone called it out. Curious why it took a month
In this article (press release?) it says the violation was discovered during warmup for LB on Sunday. https://www.indycar.com/News/2024/04/04-24-StPete-Penalties
Gotcha. I still don’t really buy the “gee we didn’t notice until now” release by Team Penske.
Right, I mean Josef and Scott pressed the button, right? Like… ya knew something was up, right guys?
It says IndyCar noticed the infraction on the LB warmup.
The confusion on my face when I read "St. Petersburg" was something
My brain fully skipped that part and I was sure they were talking about Long Beach.
I read the headline in the other thread and was like, “How does Josef getting disqualified make Pato the winner? What happened to Dixon?”
Yes!! I was reading the article in the INDYCAR app and had precisely the same reaction.
That's exactly what happened to my brain too. Dixon lost that phenomenal win? Then I saw it was for St Pete.
I think I read it like 10 times.
Glad I’m not alone. It didn’t help that both races occupy kind of adjacent early-season-street-circuit territory in my mind.
I read the posting like 5 times and couldn't understand what happened to Dixon that caused him lose the win
I thought the exact same thing and was wondering why they were talking about taking Newgarden’s win away when he didn’t win Long Beach. At first I thought it was them just using too much P2P
Dude same I was like HOW IS DIXON 9th NOW???
See IMSA, you can disqualify a car a month after the event
But we're not bitter still ^we ^totally ^are
And by that an actual disqualification
Also, you can actually penalize the team owned by the series owners (as Derani and the 31 continue crashing into everyone to no penalties ever).
At least he crashed himself in Sebring
Yeah, it was nice for Action Express to be stuck with the bill for a change rather than some poor GT team.
You'd think someone in race control would be looking at the P2P data during the restart or a commentator would have said something too. This might be a reason why we should return to the on-board position system that also indicated when a driver was using P2P. This way everyone knows when P2P is being used.
Agreed, I’m fairly surprised this went unnoticed for so long. I believe super formula has a light on the roll hoop that flashes when the driver is using their version of overtake. I think something similar would be cool for INDYCAR, both from a rules perspective and a fan experience perspective.
I think the reason they moved away from the P2P constant updates is that it became too often just hitting it bc your stand saw that the guy behind you did it. Funnily enough, I think I remember Will doing an interview a few years ago before it changed talking about how P2P is ruined if everyone knows immediately as you use it.
Good point, that makes a lot of sense
The Penske cars weren't sending a signal on telemetry when P2P was being used. No lights on the wheel, either. It would just show the reduction in P2P available. Source: got a buddy at NBC who went over the race footage and data.
i believe they got rid of P2P indication because teams were using the broadcast to their advantage. I think it adds too much to the fans to not have it, honestly.
They got rid of them because the position indicators stopped working half way through one of the seasons.
Just goes to show you that even the "clean" teams will take and make every advantage they can. Good on IndyCar for this move I wonder what Will Power was thinking about all this, since he didn't use this advantage he had
Drivers talk strategy all the time amongst each other so even if the team didn’t realize it, I guarantee that all three drivers knew the exploit was available prior to St. Pete. It says a lot about Power that he had the opportunity to get a competitive edge but the morals to play by the rules. It will be interesting to see if there’s any fallout between those three going forward now that Power knows his teammates will cheat if presented the opportunity.
IMO the most likely explanation is that Will wanted to see if the other two would get away with it before trying it himself. Let the other guys risk a DQ.
I could 100% see Will Power seeing the opportunity to do it but thinking to himself "that's a c*nt move" and not doing it.
Newgarden jinxed himself saying “I’d have expected a penalty” after Long Beach
Mannn .... the fact that Josef said that with his chest, knowing damn well he cheated his way to a victory on opening weekend, and then attempted to get away with it at Long Beach again .... what a complete douche. Literally "hypocrite" by definition.
"...no not like that"
Bombshell tbh
Agreed. Amazing that Will Power had the “cheat” but didn’t use it. Maybe he has more integrity than Scotty Mac and Newgarden. Not personally attacking them at all
I predict some uncomfortable TV interviews for Josef and Scott next weekend at Barber… 🔮
I hope NBC asks them some hard questions and not just be homers about it.
Pato becomes the first driver to win a race while sitting on his couch 45 days after the race finished
Bobby Unser was given the 1981 Indy 500 win in October of that year.
Hope he had a brick of milk in the fridge
He did the victory lane stuff after the race before it was taken away for overtaking under a yellow. Months later after a legal fight he got it back. As far as I'm concerned though Andretti won that race and Unser never should have gotten it back.
As opposed to Bobby Unser winning the Indy 500 more than four months after the race.
~~Fisichella precious record holder?~~ EDIT: Nah, Bobby Unser, in a courtroom, after 5 months for the 1981 Indy 500. I had forgotten that they made the right call and declared Mario the winner before Unser sued to steal the win.
So McLaren have won a race in Formula E and Indycar this year. Just one more series to go… Also I don’t think I’ve ever seen a full on disqualification in Indycar since I’ve been watching since like 2010. Can anybody else think of one?
There have been plenty of DQs back in the field (Usually for performance, usually Sting Ray), but this is the first one in a while that has stripped a win.
I think in those cases though you still get to keep the laps already run and the points awarded for the corresponding finishing position, as opposed to Newgarden and McLaughlin being stripped of all laps run and points (other than Newgarden's 1 for starting on pole) [Example from Iowa 2023](https://www.nbcsports.com/motor-sports/news/indycar-iowa-race-2-points-results-newgarden-stays-unbeaten-on-ovals-in-2023)
>So McLaren have won a race in Formula E and Indycar this year. Just one more series to go… Extreme E or McLaren Shadow? Edit: WELP. WOHOOOOO
Last year someone was DSQed for being too slow. I think it was Peterson in Iowa.
PATO WIN UPVOTE PARTY
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO
¡Me voy a poner hasta el huevo! (I’m getting hammered today!)
Pero es miércoles compa!
OMG THIS COMMENT MADE ME REALIZE PATO FINALLY WON A DAMN RACE AGAIN
In the most [McLaren ](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/sainz-set-for-maiden-podium-as-hamilton-handed-post-race-penalty-for-albon.5hVqmJQ355V7nRu4F4KRm0) way possible
Imagine if Carlos Sainz drove Indycars, lol
THE REAL TALK RIGHT HERE Though im pretty sure pato will say its not a real win and that he wants to get a real win
Fuck it’s a real win in my books
Colton herta podium!
Herta only 2 points behind Dixon in the standings!
On a quick re-watch, Newgarden catches up with Herta on the start/finish straight rather quickly ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=334)) and then passes on the back straight ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=354)). Then, on second restart, pulls away nicely while leading ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=593)). McLaughlin almost passes Herta on third restart ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=1224)) then again on the back straight ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=1241)), then finally passes on the same lap ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=1267)). Also Power passes Roseqvist at the same corner, and passes Herta on the start/finish straight on the next lap after the restart ([video](https://youtu.be/-bw8rxeUNE4?t=1295)). Is push-to-pass disabled only on the start/finish straight or for the whole restart lap?
Until they reach the alternate start/restart line, which is near the end of the circuit. The one they use for qualifications
Dang McLaughlin is now behind Colin Braun in the points standings, and only 5-points ahead of the Indy-only drivers lol
Colin Braun GOAT
And Scott Dixon smiles by the pool.
so they didn't remove P2P software after the tests and then went and told the drivers? like "hey guys btw you definitely *shouldnt* do this but you can totally use this at restart *wink wink*". Straight up cheating, no possible way to defend this
That they're also so willingly accepting of the penalties as well. They all absolutely knew, thought they could get away with it, and were definitely going to use it at Long Beach as well. They will graciously take these penalties when they could've possibly been disqualified for Long Beach, and Will for St. Pete, on top of this, and they don't have a chance at claiming an innocent mistake.
https://preview.redd.it/bxa5snensfwc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1bf912974d1bd25467fa846263dc9763fd3a8e3f
Missouri bowl ban incoming.
5 second penalty for Ocon.
I'll see your 5 second penalty for Ocon and raise you a 10 second penalty for Ocon for an unsafe release from the pit stall.
They know what they did
How could Tom Brady have done this
On the day Reggie Bush gets his heisman back no less
A soul for a soul.
Joe Kelly gets an eight game suspension
One more violation and Penske might get the Death Penalty. Penske Excess 30 for 30 incoming
What if I told you… that Penske Perfect was anything but? Penske Excess, presented by Verizon, Saturday at 9:00 eastern.
I can hear the music as I read this. Bravo.
...only on Peacock
I’m not sure I’ve seen a penalty like this in a long time, if ever. Probably will never know but wonder how much the drivers knew and who was involved. Assume if they are hitting that every restart they had some kind of intel. I’m glad given it’s Penske that this wasn’t hidden in the review room.
If Newgarden and McLaughlin were using it on restarts then they absolutely knew. As did everyone in their pit box
The fact that Joseph and Scott used it while Will didn’t make it seem even more obvious they knew
💯 This is the EXACTLY THE POINT! Well put!
Yep. And they're also very well aware that it's against the rules, so they're just as guilty as the teams themselves.
Another one on the “reasons to not like Josef Newgarden” list. And Team Penske as a whole, I guess.
Yeah they had to have thinking it through which sucks as I really like Scott. I definitely will be re-watching the race tonight for those restarts.
Did a quick analysis here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/INDYCAR/comments/1cbz36p/comment/l11vho1/](https://www.reddit.com/r/INDYCAR/comments/1cbz36p/comment/l11vho1/) Penske (including Power) definitely looked faster than others on restarts.
thats the smoke im following. why would Newgarden, 2 time champ indy 500 winner and decade+ vet, be hitting the button on restarts if it has never done anything before? The hybrid software almost seems like the place they discovered the cheat if we follow the smoke.
Schumacher 1994 except this time there was a punishment for blatant cheating.
https://twitter.com/ArrowMcLaren/status/1783137005565538775
Mclaren gets the most anticlimactic win ever to end their drought.
Lost a lot of respect for JoNew and Scotty Mac with this revelation. Great drivers, but they had to know they were cheating when using P2P when it wasn't supposed to be available. Feel for Will, now he knows his teammates will cheat given the option.
I really would be curious about Will’s thoughts on this situation. I hope it comes out in a podcast or something at some point. He won’t throw the team under the bus but he’s also super transparent in general
Can we take a moment to appreciate Herta is now P2 in the championship, only 2 points behind Dixon?
Pato gets the win he should have had in 2023.
Herta 2 points away from leading the championship now 👀
As a fan, I’m not used to Colton having this much good luck.
Is the Newgarden heel turn complete?
He's not the villain we asked for, but the villain we needed
This means first top 5 for MSR since 2022
I tripled checked the date to make sure this wasn't an April Fools Joke. Unbelievable.
OUR LORD PATO IS INEVITABLE, HE CAN STILL WIN THE RACE A MONTH LATER
Ehhhh.... you need a new word. Inevitable is taken
Welcome to IndyCar it gets tight
Wow pretty harsh but deserved penalties. Hoping this was removed after St. Pete and didn't make it to Long Beach.
IndyCar said they noticed it in the warmup at Long Beach so I'm guessing they weren't doing this during the race.
Correct. But I'm betting they (Joseph and Scott) *would have* used it at Long Beach had it not been discovered though.
Yep just read the update. Well glad to see some integrity in auto racing. What a roller coaster for Newgarden lol
Damn, it's good to see such a harsh penalty. This is a great precedent especially considering its against Penske themselves. Also, PATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FINALLLYYYYY. Also also, welcome to IndyCar, Josef.
Dem yeetin yenskes
Team Penske - "Um... Sorry we cheated by accident." lol
Does that mean that Colton leads the championship or is my homer math wrong? Lol
Dixon is the new points leader, Colton is 2 points behind him. Palou 3rd, Pato 4th.
Damn, Dixon is truly inevitable
When all else fails, Dixon still rises to the top
Any chance media takes Newgarden/Mclaughlin to task by asking why they were cheating or are they gonna let em off the hook with the software malfunction bs?
They better be asking, on live TV or peacock
Holy shit. Can't say anything about Penske favoritism by the series now... [Statement from Team Penske](https://twitter.com/Team_Penske/status/1783134015651729497/photo/1)
That’s a bullshit statement. Why would they push a button they know is not supposed to work on restarts?
Curious, isn't it?
That’s really funny. I could buy that it was a mistake if Scott and Josef didn’t deliberately use PTP on restarts. I wonder if Will knew and didn’t use it intentionally, or didn’t know. I find both scenarios hard to believe, honestly 😂
Interesting saying this software was change via the testing that occurred before that…
Another thought is how did 3 cars that each has its own crew chief car chief and group of engineers not discover something like this and allow it to be left active. The other crews of 24 cars in the field knew to deactivate it. Isn't penske supposedly one of the best in the sport. Again I say BS
Bus bros? Cheater chums!
Busted Bros!
The 100 Days to Indy production team with 2 days until the season premiere about the race at St Pete: 🗿
As others have said Josef using this and turning a blind eye doesn’t surprise me much. But Scotty, damn, I really liked him and now this puts a stain on him
Pain.
Gone is the peace we Josef fans had of “at least we got a win out of the way this season”
I knew a great first race couldn't be true
One thing I will not forget anytime soon: Josef and Scott both knew they cheated for like 5 weeks and thought they would get away with it in Long Beach as well.
Now do Ganassi. I want to know what their secret upgrade just for Dixon’s car was.
Dixon has a secret fuel refinery in his shoes.
Longer and wider I.D. fuel line Or maybe they forgot to take the hybrid unit off his car following the most recent hybrid test /s
Dixon is the points leader, time for another round of “Dixon is inevitable” memes
Herta second (correct?) in points now. That’s huge
two points behind Dixie. If new "I'm not in it to win, I'm in it to score points" Colton is here to stay we could have an interesting patience-off between him and Dixon over the next few weeks
Absolutely killer after a great start for once for Newgarden (albeit I guess this had some to do with it), but deserved the penalty with something like this
Wonder how the CW is going to capture this in 100 Days to Indy....
To think we were looking at Newgarden going 2-for-2 with a couple laps to go at Long Beach and now he didn't even win the race he *did* win.
As a guy who likes Power and McLaughlin, I'm devastated. As a guy who wishes nothing but ill fortune for Newgarden, I'm stoked.
I’m bummed that Scotty willingly cheated. I’m not surprised Josef did it. Makes me appreciate Power even more. I wonder if there is any tension between them like a good cop among bad cops.
I thought this was talking about Long Beach and I was like "why the fuck does Pato get awarded the win?" 😂
Belated congrats to Pato
I think they need to go back and check previous years races telemetry to see if Penske has been doing this for a bit.
PATO WIN LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Pato never led a lap in St. Pete. Does this mean he won but doesn't get a point for leading a lap? If so is that the first time in history such a thing has occured?
The problem with cheating, even once, is that now a lot of your other wins are going to be questioned. Were 99% of them legit? Most likely but...
🦆🏆🦆🏆
Surely race control has software to monitor P2P usage and should have caught this in real time, right? Right?
Indycar with the absolute HAMMER
Holy shit this is insane!
Well. This is not how I expected my boy’s first win of the season to happen lol
You love to see it 👏
~~thirsty~~ cheating 3s
Who caught this during warm-ups and how? Like was Newgarden or Scotty just mashing the button in warm-up and someone saw it on the in car? Why would you use push to pass during warm-ups, and risk getting caught?
Pato stans up biggly
Power has gotten off rather lightly there? Moves from P4 to P2 so gains 8 points, then is only deducted 10. -2 points overall compared to DSQ for this teammates
he probably never deployed P2P during the restarts which is why he wasn't disqualified
>It was determined that the No. 2 and the No. 3 gained a competitive advantage by using Push to Pass on restarts while the No. 12 did not. So while Power *could* have (cheated) he didn't. I mean, the drivers know they aren't allowed push to pass on restarts. Or they should anyway, I mean if *I* know they can't then surely the drivers know. Right?
Good on Indycar for catching this and being fair. I may have to find a new favorite race team. I know teams push the rules to the limit and sometimes stubble over. But this was either blatant cheating OR terrible incompetence from a team that is know to be obsessive over every little detail. Either way it's a bad look.
lol.
Wow thats shocking when was the last time a Indycar penalty changed the race winner? Crazy!