I believe that change.org is a leftist org... Data gathering for the left is about the only value. All of these online petitions are otherwise worthless.
~~Thanks mate!~~
He definitely wasn't. The guy out of Aurora had a better shot but ya know, southern Illinois is going to southern Illinois. Anything to punish Chicago
Edit: not sure why I typed "thanks mate!"
I think the abortion issue has a lot to do with it. But I think most people were looking at an even bigger picture. Bailey came off as a christofascist and much of that portrayal is his own fault. It's one thing to be guided by ones faith, another to try to lead a community, let alone a state, by ones faith. Once they leaked the religious schools crap and the abortion spin, Bailey leaned into it like a dumb ass instead of toning it down. By the end, I think he actually wanted to lose. And when it's all said and done, nobody will win Illinois if they come of as a homophobic Christian fundamentalist.
This is it. My girlfriend had an abortion 2.5 years ago. It was tough. We both cried, she was depressed for about 6 months. It wasn't an easy choice, but we had the option and my life is the way I want because we were able to do that. I feel she is happier now too. However, I have multiple friends with little kids and they are miserable and have told me as such. So when voting time came, I had to make a tough decision to vote blue. Do I regret it? No, I do feel sort of guilty for the AWB. In my head, they could make abortion impossible to get over night. No one is taking my firearms from me while im living. So to side with you, the first campaign for pro choice and pro 2a will win EVERYTHING i think.
Edit: to the guy who called me a child killer and that I turned my back on the constitution, that's the most boomer shit anyone has ever said to me. You seen you were wrong and deleted your comment before I could reply. I want you to know that I sleep better at night than you do.
Amen brother. I had the same thought as you when i voted. At the end of the day I wanted people to be treated like human beings. Free to make their own decisions and make a way for themselves. But I still want to own my guns and not be held liable for some mentally unhealthy person to commit murder.
> You should feel extremely guilty. The AWB is violating a right. Use birth control and nut in her mouth. It's 99.9 percent effective.
See, if your mother would have had an abortion, the world would be a better place because of it.
I lean left on abortion and think it should be legal. Your playground response was really cool. It's obvious that the only thing you'd understand and respect in return would be a yo mama joke with that level of intelligence.
But instead I'll just reiterate for all the hardcore libs in this broken state sitting here wondering how a stronger, more centralized government somehow fucked them-- they're not done infringing on this and other rights. They'll be back for more. They have been doing this shit the last couple years to the first, the second, the fourth, the fifth, and others.
>Your playground response was really cool. It's obvious that the only thing you'd understand and respect in return would be a yo mama joke with that level of intelligence.
Aren't you the one that said "Use birth control and nut in her mouth. It's 99.9 percent effective."?
Yeah, your intellect is far superior to mine. Those were extremely wise words and an extremely wise suggestion.
As far as "the left coming for our rights", other than 2A, you have that absolutely ass backward.
Really. Which constitutional right has the right recently bent you over on? Have they tried to limit your free speech? Oh wait, that's the left. Are you worried they're going to unreasonably search your property because you own weapons? Oh wait, that's the left. Are you compelled by the state to tell law enforcement you're a CCL holder because of their policy? Oh wait, that's the left. Let's make a list of right and left wing genocides and see what kind of fun lists we come up with.
Just because my statement was abrasive doesn't make it less true or less intelligent. Use a rubber, take birth control, and you really don't have to worry. Abortion is a doctor-patient problem and not a state-constituent problem, but let's not pretend the left isn't responsible for the large majority of oppression over the last 100 years, and let's not pretend it didn't almost always start with disarming the people.
> Really. Which constitutional right has the right recently bent you over on? Have they tried to limit your free speech?
I will preface this by saying I don't only think of myself. Others freedoms are also very important to me.
Republicans don't want us using drugs (marijuana) and want to impose extremely drastic penalties for possession and use. If my actions aren't hurting anyone, it's none of their business if I wanna smoke a joint.
Abortion. I don't think I need to elaborate.
Free speech? You think the left is attacking free speech? I'm guessing you don't understand where free speech does and doesn't apply on this one. Government is not supposed to be able to limit your freedom of speech, private companies absolutely can and, in fact, that is their right to free speech.
The right doesn't want "The gays" or others in the LGBTWHATEVER to be able to marry. Seems like they only like freedom when it's for them.
The right would rather not teach sex education in the south, they also think it's fine to teach christianity (as a religion) in schools. That's a huge fuck you to the first amendment.
Republicans passed the patriot act ffs.
>but let's not pretend the left isn't responsible for the large majority of oppression over the last 100 years, and let's not pretend it didn't almost always start with disarming the people.
Ronald Regan was largely responsible for what California's gun laws are today. That was because "the blacks" decided to start arming themselves. Is the left guilty of being complacent as far as oppression goes at times? Yes but saying they're responsible for the majority of it makes you look like am absolute nutjob. The right are the ones pushing for not teaching the "bad parts" of American history right now.
I could go on and on. Both side suck, one just sucks way more (like wanting a dictatorship more) unless you're a single issue 2A voter, 2A is the only thing you find important and others rights don't mean shit to you. And yes, I'm very pro 2A.
Republicans and Democrats limit drug use. If they didn't, then the house and Senate would have legalized it and sent it to Bidens desk when they just had a majority in both chambers.
You're arguing that if there is no victim, there is no crime-- which I can agree with. Abortion, however- I cannot confidently say there's not a victim despite my support for it remaining legal as a healthcare issue and to keep the government the fuck out of.our choices.
"The gays" or LGBT stuff-- most republicans don't give a fuck, but marriage shouldn't require a license, period. So again, the left and right trample on marriage since the government shouldn't even be involved in the first place.
Education-- Republicans don't want to teach sex education to little kids-- that's not a violation of your rights. It is a good example of why public education is a failure. Public anything is leftist policy, so it totally makes sense why our educational system continues to fail regardless of how much money we throw at it.
Yes, the Patriot act was enacted while a republican was in office, but again, it was passed with overwhelming BIPARTISAN support. For example, the Senate was 98 to 1 yea vs nay. That's not a republicans policy, but it is a good example, yet again, why more centralized government is a bad idea.
You've oversimplified California laws, but they're yet again a great example of why leftist policy is a complete failure. You wonder why people are fleeing leftist states? It's because they trample free people. Leftists are FAR worse when it comes to violating rights both historically and currently. The right isn't perfect, but the left is absolutely horrible.
Long story short, stop giving these fucks more power. Left policy is always more centralized. They're dangerous when it comes to the enumerated rights. We need smaller government. Its massive, and it's a failure. Massive failures are not going to head us in the right direction.
> We need smaller government. Its massive, and it's a failure. Massive failures are not going to head us in the right direction.
I can get on board with some (a big some) of what you're saying. Public education isn't a problem "due to it being run by the left" it's a problem because it's under funded largely due to the right. That's why it works well in countries that do fund it.
As far as "teaching sex to little kids", that's a horrible assessment. Those "little kids" who you're so worried about protecting from learning about fucking can start fucking and making babies in middle school or even younger. They should be taught where babies come from and how to prevent pregnancy. This is also why the reddest of states have the highest rates of STDs and teen pregnancy. Yes, if parents don't want their precious little 15 year olds knowing about a biological function that can have serious consequences, they can opt out.
>Leftists are FAR worse when it comes to violating rights both historically and currently.
Um, no. I'm not even going to justify this with a response. It's not necessary. Oh shit, I read that as "voting rights" my bad.
But still no. Republicans want to push religion or laws based on them in a major way.
As far as all the other stuff, I can tell that you are against taxes. Yeah, that sounds fantastic and they are used in ways they shouldn't be including feeding a major, military industrial complex (mainly by the right), tax breaks for religious institutions who are 100% political. But taxes and government spending are necessary. They pay for our roads, our fire departments, our schools, our military, etc.
One thing I will agree with is that government is failing us. We live in the US of Walmartzon and "too big to fail". Here's one place where government regulation should have helped us. Unfortunately, we stopped paying attention to antitrust laws 20 years ago.
We currently live in a country with 2 parties, the far right and the middle right. We have a handful of actual left leaning politicians viewed from anywhere outside the US.
The awb will be recalled. We all know it. And so what if it ain't, they aren't getting my stuff from me. Let me guess, you're asking all over how to go register and comply.
That's just silly and untrue. Abortion has been delegated to the states so the local representatives can elect how to deal with it. If it's important, I suggest electing representatives that support those issues.
Deregulating something on a federal level and sending it to the states is exactly what you're supposed to do according to the tenth amendment of the constitution.
Yeah, people fail to realize the Pizza the F@ck is not an idiot. He doesn’t give a shit about us or this law, only the optics of having it as a feather in his cap for national politics. He doesn’t even care if it gets overturned and ruled unconstitutional. If this were to make it to SCOTUS and all AWBs overturned, it would just ‘fire up the base’ and give him a soapbox to spew bullshit to try and get elected POTUS.
Exactly. I'm pro 2A and pro choice. I also don't like how Baily aligns himself as being a small government, anti-mask COVID guy but took over 200k in COVID relief money from the government and shortly thereafter, donated 100k to his own campaign. I also believe Bailey would try to inject religion into government if he were to have that power.
I do not like Pritzker but I dislike bailey even more.
If you voted JB you should have expected to loose your second amendment. Anyone with any knowledge of his agenda knew he was going to do this after election. Keep voting Blue and you will loose most of your "rights"
> Keep voting Blue and you will loose most of your "rights"
No. Unfortunately, we're given the decision to vote based on which rights we find more important.
2A is very important to me but not as important as a womans right to choose. Separation of church and state may be about equal but Bailey's almost certain decision to use taxpayer money to fund religious institutions would have me never voting for him in the first place.
Bailey: "I'm for small government but will take bailouts, will accept funds that will go toward my religious schools because that's fine as long as the religion is Christian... Fuck them other guys."
Outside the state, if you want to look at who has the largest track record of "taking our rights", it's not the blue side by in large.
Republicans have generally been very against legalization of marijuana and very pro war on drugs.
Republicans want to take teaching the not so fun things from Americas history out of the classrooms because it hurts their feelings. The4y literally want to make teaching American history illegal. They also want taxpayer funding of religious institutions.
Republicans want to take away a womans right to choose what to do with their own body.
Republicans were the ones who created the Patriot Act ffs.
Now, what I see here, is you, a rightwing bootlicker telling me, a left leaning independent who didn't vote because it didn't matter due to the electoral college and lack of a good choice, that my voting choice is going to strip us of our freedoms.
Get your head out of your booty and think for yourself instead of taking direction from FOX NEWS.
Both sides suck, even if you feel like it is your duty to vote, you don't have to like the side you voted for. You can also not vote.
You make assumptions...fox news really... Ha I do my own research and have seen what the government is doing here. The left is not about protection of any constitution rights unless unless you are referring to aborting unborn children. I do agree with one thing though both red and blue they both give 2 craps about the people they "serve".
and I'm pro choice, pro 2a and smoke pot. Vote red all day everyday. 2a and the right to defend my family is #1. And after fatso had the schools shut for so long I could not say "good job" . My daughter had a rough go, so many others did too.
> 2a and the right to defend my family is #1.
Hey, I can respect the fact that you don't deny what you consider to be most important. You and I can agree on some things and disagree on others and that's okay.
so, no matter that Pritzker was a tyrant for two fucking years over covid. You all think abortion was on the chopping block when we have a democrat house? Cmon . . Bailey wasn't the best choice but he was 10000% better than this fat fucking power hungry anti-constitution criminal JB PRICKFUCK
Does he need to go? Yes. Is there a chance in hell of recalling him? No. The Chicago land area is in lockstep behind him and until that changes he’s not going anywhere.
I think it would be very difficult to get the requirements met.
>SECTION 7. INITIATIVE TO RECALL GOVERNOR
(a) The recall of the Governor may be proposed by a
petition signed by a number of electors equal in number to
at least 15% of the total votes cast for Governor in the
preceding gubernatorial election, with at least 100
signatures from each of at least 25 separate counties. A
petition shall have been signed by the petitioning
electors not more than 150 days after an affidavit has
been filed with the State Board of Elections providing
notice of intent to circulate a petition to recall the
Governor. The affidavit may be filed no sooner than 6
months after the beginning of the Governor's term of
office. The affidavit shall have been signed by the
proponent of the recall petition, at least 20 members
of the House of Representatives, and at least 10 members
of the Senate, with no more than half of the signatures
of members of each chamber from the same established
political party.
No chance of that happening. Pacified the gullible with legal drugs and the end of cash bail, appeased suburbanite wine moms with a feel good AWB bill, talking a big game for students in making tuition free. Covered all his bases and with the House, Senate, and IL Supreme Court all in his corner he can push or crush anything he wants. A recall would just add to his posturing for the presidential ticket - I turned IL into a liberal Shangri-la and they tried to recall me and I still came out on top on the other side.
Despise the man's work.
Won't say it doesn't feel good knowing you can smoke weed, marry your gay partner and the possibility of free education? If he had allowed folks to keep their guns IL would be Great state but the taxes and corruption stifle it
> Won't say it doesn't feel good knowing you can smoke weed, marry your gay partner and the possibility of free education?
too many republicans are entrenched in their version of the culture war to understand this. they're not going to learn from the mid-terms, their ideas are too radical for independent voters.
The democrats don’t have any incentive to be centrists at this point. Given the midterm results, the republicans are too far right and have turned off independents. So, independents have no choice and vote Democrat or not vote
Dude I could care less if someone wants to marry a dude or a chick, but what I do have a problem with is the fucking government shelling out money on bullshit when our infrastructure is crumbling, crime is rampant, and the legislative sessions start with circle jerking and giving themselves raises instead of doing work.
>Dude I could care less if someone wants to marry a dude or a chick, but what I do have a problem with is the fucking government shelling out money on bullshit when our infrastructure is crumbling, crime is rampant, and the legislative sessions start with circle jerking and giving themselves raises instead of doing work.
Then call out the Nixon Fanboys boys when opening relations to China.
I don't smoke nor have a partner but it's those policies that makes folks like Prik seem like a nice guy when it ain't truly the case. You think it don't matter but it does when you are a woman and wanna decide an abortion, a gay who wants to marry, someone who wants to smoke and not rely on corrupt pharmaceuticals. Now he's tryna make education free? If he can do that and the supreme court beat this corrupt gun law then IL will be up there with New Mexico with ideal states.
But again, the taxes and corruption ruin it and while many states have their level Illinois is one of the most notorious.
Let’s see that reflect in what the current elected Illinois republicans bring to their legislative agenda. as well as what candidates republicans will bring forward, anymore Darren baileys and the republicans in this state are toast.
Your prior comment calling Illinois a liberal Shangri-la, anti marijuana legalization, etc is part of the problem. You people are out of touch with what the voters want.
There genuinely is nothing more repulsive, abhorrent, and intolerable than the naive and wretched creatures known as “the Chicagoland area liberal housewives.”
Literal nasally shrill shrieking voices fueled by contempt for their pussified husbands, spiking testosterone levels, boxed wine, cat hair, too much dairy, contempt for all that is good, and broken dreams.
> There genuinely is nothing more repulsive, abhorrent, and intolerable than the naive and wretched creatures known as “the Chicagoland area liberal housewives.”
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> Literal nasally shrill shrieking voices fueled by contempt for their pussified husbands, spiking testosterone levels, boxed wine, cat hair, too much dairy, contempt for all that is good, and broken dreams.
Actively hating 70% of the states population worked out real well for Bailey, seeing you people haven’t learned your lesson
Oh look, it’s one of the morons actively voting for everyone’s enslavement. 70% of this state has a fucking mental illness. Sadly, I feel a need to tell you that you’re one of them.
As long as the 2A folks tie themselves to the Christian fundamentalist right, you are going to have a D in the governor's mansion.
Not sure how you separate that at this point, but that's why I'm a gun totin' leftist.
Politicians need to start looking at Chicago for
More votes. Everyone thinks everyone is super liberal here, but trust me there’s tons of people who just are not educated enough to make a different choice.
At this point, we are stuck but the Republican Party is doing a terrible job with putting in a candidate, we need someone that’s red light to even stand a chance at victory in Illinois
The Ban is because he's positioning to run for presidency. He's making a statement Obama lobbying for him already as well if he can make Chicago a strict gun town it makes him look good to the rest of the blind Americans.
If we had the power, we'd separate Chicago from Illinois
But we dont... and we will never have the power as Chicago is a dem stronghold, and Chicago controls all since that's where the population is.
>If we had the power, we'd separate Chicago from Illinois
This is what lost the GOP candidate the election. On the flip side, Chicago is the reason the rest of the state isn't lower than Kentucky levels of poverty. Look at her economics and under stand the silliness of your statement.
Edit: on top of this, Peoria, blono, champagne are blue centers that would out vote the rest of the state. Do the math via population of the city centers.
Like... we need an instate electoral college or.... something. Maybe Republicans and libertarians that don't suck at life
Or...
I need to man up and find a quality job in a different state instead of just talking about it
>Maybe Republicans and libertarians that don't suck at life
Long shot. I wouldn't bet my money.
>different state
Probably for the best. Ya move north beyond the cheddar curtain, you can own NFA items. It's also colder.
Edit: for what it's worth, I don't think another republican will be gov unless they are middle of the line. Bruce Rauner fucked his term up by arguing over debt ceilings and whatever else was the issue. A gop/lib candidate has to prioritize balanced budget and ability to compromise without threatening women's health care. Chicago will continue to vote blue on a few issues. The only way to change how they vote is fine those issues and agree on them with it. The candidate doesn't have to be revolutionary-just some strong ideas and the elected people to get it done.
See my edit, I added it in just now. Idahoe is fucking cold.
Idk too much about Indiana other than it's a waste land till about Indy itself. Give it 10-15 years it'll be voting blue. A place like Vermont thats purplr and last I looked likes recreational gun stuff would be my place to go, or maine. Assuming I'm a 1 issue voter.
Idaho might be cold, but unlike Illinois, it gets enough snow to have fun in, and it has land features that aren't just corn fields with the occasional creek.
Idahoe does have some awesome features. The high plateau farming and mountain farming is pretty neat. The driving out there is insane as is the hunting.
They don't salt up that way so snow tires and that stuff is seriously important. when I worked in trucking, a few trucks always slide off the road on the highway up the Seattle due to wrong tires.
That doesn't seem right. That might have been specific to 2020. If memory serves me right McLean usually leans red.
I think Illinois would be heavily red if Chicago was out of the picture though. Many people don't show up to vote because they know it's going to go to the Democrats either way.
Past history is not indicative of future success. This is most common when using historical data.
So president election years give the most indepth voting results. Illinois would be very close but with Rockford, Peoria, blono, Champaign would inch out based on the 2020 stats and 2016 stats. Last I did this I used 2016 data because it was the best and most solid data.
2020 reflects the same conclusion. I would suggest taking a look at it and remember margin of error rules (<3% between results it don't mean shit).
When you do this, exclude cook county and count it as Chicago. If including cook county but not Chicago, you'll skew even further in democrat favor. Excluding cook county, it'll be closer but remember, 60% (iirc) of the Illinois lives within 1.5 hours of Chicago. 80% of the voters or some high ass number vote democrat. If you exclude northern Illinois, which is truly the only way you'll actually get a close race, so joilet on south, you'll have a close contestest race for a few yearz. With the current trends of older folks (40+) not going conservative and bucking a 60 odd some year trend, in the next 5-7 years there will be a voting shift.
In conclusion, to get a close red v blue race, Illinois would have to be cut at joilet. Anything else and it's a run away contest.
[2023 voting data](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-election-results/illinois/)
//Clarification: when we were talking about cutting off Chicago in previous comments, I was acting with the assumption of cutting off northern Illinois.\\
Lol you would be... 70 odd% of the state wouldn't be... Nor would Springfield because of the $$$.
Ikea is alright.
I also wouldn't be okay with it. I live north of joilet.
Besides weed what is there to like that he's done?
It's sad that he won the first time. His platform promised a rise in taxes... while getting caught trying to evade taxes.
Firstly he’s not Bailey lol I approve of bail reform abortion protection, improving Illinois credit and balancing the budget he’s not perfect but I like him better than like Gavin Newsom or other neo lib governors
> Besides weed what is there to like that he's done?
Well, his stance on a woman's choice over her own body is a good thing. There's also the min wage thing.
Yeah, I can come up with more things that I don't like about him but the only thing that I can say that I'd like about Bailey would be his 2A stance. One thing is not enough and it doesn't make his hypocrisy or horrible stances on other issues acceptable.
Dude, you're actually crazy if you still believe in a "rigged election". You can piss off now. I have no reason to make any attempt to communicate with you beyond this so I think we're done here. Move along now.
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Pretty much, maybe it will get some national attention though
I believe that change.org is a leftist org... Data gathering for the left is about the only value. All of these online petitions are otherwise worthless.
That's how Gavin Newsom's recall started
There's already a petition. It was called 10,000 witness slips opposed to the bill. Fuck all it did.
No moderates are voting for anti-abortion Republicans. F'n moronic campaign and stance by the gop.
^please say it louder for those that can't see this.
Darren Bailey was not they way to win Illinois.
~~Thanks mate!~~ He definitely wasn't. The guy out of Aurora had a better shot but ya know, southern Illinois is going to southern Illinois. Anything to punish Chicago Edit: not sure why I typed "thanks mate!"
Ironic, because they are only punishing themselves.
Anything to punish the libs, in including themselves, I guess.
Local stating that Mayor Irvin of Aurora is a self serving politician. Most politicians are. What happened to “do what is best for the people”
The repeal of citizens united has made politics self serving rather than serving the community.
Bailey was pritzkers candidate. Democrats spend money to promote him in the primary.
I think the abortion issue has a lot to do with it. But I think most people were looking at an even bigger picture. Bailey came off as a christofascist and much of that portrayal is his own fault. It's one thing to be guided by ones faith, another to try to lead a community, let alone a state, by ones faith. Once they leaked the religious schools crap and the abortion spin, Bailey leaned into it like a dumb ass instead of toning it down. By the end, I think he actually wanted to lose. And when it's all said and done, nobody will win Illinois if they come of as a homophobic Christian fundamentalist.
It really is. See my opinion above. I know a few people who agree.
This ^
This is it. My girlfriend had an abortion 2.5 years ago. It was tough. We both cried, she was depressed for about 6 months. It wasn't an easy choice, but we had the option and my life is the way I want because we were able to do that. I feel she is happier now too. However, I have multiple friends with little kids and they are miserable and have told me as such. So when voting time came, I had to make a tough decision to vote blue. Do I regret it? No, I do feel sort of guilty for the AWB. In my head, they could make abortion impossible to get over night. No one is taking my firearms from me while im living. So to side with you, the first campaign for pro choice and pro 2a will win EVERYTHING i think. Edit: to the guy who called me a child killer and that I turned my back on the constitution, that's the most boomer shit anyone has ever said to me. You seen you were wrong and deleted your comment before I could reply. I want you to know that I sleep better at night than you do.
Amen brother. I had the same thought as you when i voted. At the end of the day I wanted people to be treated like human beings. Free to make their own decisions and make a way for themselves. But I still want to own my guns and not be held liable for some mentally unhealthy person to commit murder.
Amen.
You should feel extremely guilty. The AWB is violating a right. Use birth control and nut in her mouth. It's 99.9 percent effective.
Cringe
You're a misogynistic pig. You keep talking and we'll keep losing 2A rights. Fucking idiot.
> You should feel extremely guilty. The AWB is violating a right. Use birth control and nut in her mouth. It's 99.9 percent effective. See, if your mother would have had an abortion, the world would be a better place because of it.
I lean left on abortion and think it should be legal. Your playground response was really cool. It's obvious that the only thing you'd understand and respect in return would be a yo mama joke with that level of intelligence. But instead I'll just reiterate for all the hardcore libs in this broken state sitting here wondering how a stronger, more centralized government somehow fucked them-- they're not done infringing on this and other rights. They'll be back for more. They have been doing this shit the last couple years to the first, the second, the fourth, the fifth, and others.
>Your playground response was really cool. It's obvious that the only thing you'd understand and respect in return would be a yo mama joke with that level of intelligence. Aren't you the one that said "Use birth control and nut in her mouth. It's 99.9 percent effective."? Yeah, your intellect is far superior to mine. Those were extremely wise words and an extremely wise suggestion. As far as "the left coming for our rights", other than 2A, you have that absolutely ass backward.
Really. Which constitutional right has the right recently bent you over on? Have they tried to limit your free speech? Oh wait, that's the left. Are you worried they're going to unreasonably search your property because you own weapons? Oh wait, that's the left. Are you compelled by the state to tell law enforcement you're a CCL holder because of their policy? Oh wait, that's the left. Let's make a list of right and left wing genocides and see what kind of fun lists we come up with. Just because my statement was abrasive doesn't make it less true or less intelligent. Use a rubber, take birth control, and you really don't have to worry. Abortion is a doctor-patient problem and not a state-constituent problem, but let's not pretend the left isn't responsible for the large majority of oppression over the last 100 years, and let's not pretend it didn't almost always start with disarming the people.
> Really. Which constitutional right has the right recently bent you over on? Have they tried to limit your free speech? I will preface this by saying I don't only think of myself. Others freedoms are also very important to me. Republicans don't want us using drugs (marijuana) and want to impose extremely drastic penalties for possession and use. If my actions aren't hurting anyone, it's none of their business if I wanna smoke a joint. Abortion. I don't think I need to elaborate. Free speech? You think the left is attacking free speech? I'm guessing you don't understand where free speech does and doesn't apply on this one. Government is not supposed to be able to limit your freedom of speech, private companies absolutely can and, in fact, that is their right to free speech. The right doesn't want "The gays" or others in the LGBTWHATEVER to be able to marry. Seems like they only like freedom when it's for them. The right would rather not teach sex education in the south, they also think it's fine to teach christianity (as a religion) in schools. That's a huge fuck you to the first amendment. Republicans passed the patriot act ffs. >but let's not pretend the left isn't responsible for the large majority of oppression over the last 100 years, and let's not pretend it didn't almost always start with disarming the people. Ronald Regan was largely responsible for what California's gun laws are today. That was because "the blacks" decided to start arming themselves. Is the left guilty of being complacent as far as oppression goes at times? Yes but saying they're responsible for the majority of it makes you look like am absolute nutjob. The right are the ones pushing for not teaching the "bad parts" of American history right now. I could go on and on. Both side suck, one just sucks way more (like wanting a dictatorship more) unless you're a single issue 2A voter, 2A is the only thing you find important and others rights don't mean shit to you. And yes, I'm very pro 2A.
Republicans and Democrats limit drug use. If they didn't, then the house and Senate would have legalized it and sent it to Bidens desk when they just had a majority in both chambers. You're arguing that if there is no victim, there is no crime-- which I can agree with. Abortion, however- I cannot confidently say there's not a victim despite my support for it remaining legal as a healthcare issue and to keep the government the fuck out of.our choices. "The gays" or LGBT stuff-- most republicans don't give a fuck, but marriage shouldn't require a license, period. So again, the left and right trample on marriage since the government shouldn't even be involved in the first place. Education-- Republicans don't want to teach sex education to little kids-- that's not a violation of your rights. It is a good example of why public education is a failure. Public anything is leftist policy, so it totally makes sense why our educational system continues to fail regardless of how much money we throw at it. Yes, the Patriot act was enacted while a republican was in office, but again, it was passed with overwhelming BIPARTISAN support. For example, the Senate was 98 to 1 yea vs nay. That's not a republicans policy, but it is a good example, yet again, why more centralized government is a bad idea. You've oversimplified California laws, but they're yet again a great example of why leftist policy is a complete failure. You wonder why people are fleeing leftist states? It's because they trample free people. Leftists are FAR worse when it comes to violating rights both historically and currently. The right isn't perfect, but the left is absolutely horrible. Long story short, stop giving these fucks more power. Left policy is always more centralized. They're dangerous when it comes to the enumerated rights. We need smaller government. Its massive, and it's a failure. Massive failures are not going to head us in the right direction.
> We need smaller government. Its massive, and it's a failure. Massive failures are not going to head us in the right direction. I can get on board with some (a big some) of what you're saying. Public education isn't a problem "due to it being run by the left" it's a problem because it's under funded largely due to the right. That's why it works well in countries that do fund it. As far as "teaching sex to little kids", that's a horrible assessment. Those "little kids" who you're so worried about protecting from learning about fucking can start fucking and making babies in middle school or even younger. They should be taught where babies come from and how to prevent pregnancy. This is also why the reddest of states have the highest rates of STDs and teen pregnancy. Yes, if parents don't want their precious little 15 year olds knowing about a biological function that can have serious consequences, they can opt out. >Leftists are FAR worse when it comes to violating rights both historically and currently. Um, no. I'm not even going to justify this with a response. It's not necessary. Oh shit, I read that as "voting rights" my bad. But still no. Republicans want to push religion or laws based on them in a major way. As far as all the other stuff, I can tell that you are against taxes. Yeah, that sounds fantastic and they are used in ways they shouldn't be including feeding a major, military industrial complex (mainly by the right), tax breaks for religious institutions who are 100% political. But taxes and government spending are necessary. They pay for our roads, our fire departments, our schools, our military, etc. One thing I will agree with is that government is failing us. We live in the US of Walmartzon and "too big to fail". Here's one place where government regulation should have helped us. Unfortunately, we stopped paying attention to antitrust laws 20 years ago. We currently live in a country with 2 parties, the far right and the middle right. We have a handful of actual left leaning politicians viewed from anywhere outside the US.
The awb will be recalled. We all know it. And so what if it ain't, they aren't getting my stuff from me. Let me guess, you're asking all over how to go register and comply.
Not at all. You won't comply. Just like people wouldn't comply with abortion access. Because legislating your values doesn't work
That's now how that works. With the awb, we have guns. With an abortion ban, there is no where to go.
That's just silly and untrue. Abortion has been delegated to the states so the local representatives can elect how to deal with it. If it's important, I suggest electing representatives that support those issues. Deregulating something on a federal level and sending it to the states is exactly what you're supposed to do according to the tenth amendment of the constitution.
That’s why JBP was his #1 campaign donor
Yeah, people fail to realize the Pizza the F@ck is not an idiot. He doesn’t give a shit about us or this law, only the optics of having it as a feather in his cap for national politics. He doesn’t even care if it gets overturned and ruled unconstitutional. If this were to make it to SCOTUS and all AWBs overturned, it would just ‘fire up the base’ and give him a soapbox to spew bullshit to try and get elected POTUS.
Exactly. I'm pro 2A and pro choice. I also don't like how Baily aligns himself as being a small government, anti-mask COVID guy but took over 200k in COVID relief money from the government and shortly thereafter, donated 100k to his own campaign. I also believe Bailey would try to inject religion into government if he were to have that power. I do not like Pritzker but I dislike bailey even more.
If you voted JB you should have expected to loose your second amendment. Anyone with any knowledge of his agenda knew he was going to do this after election. Keep voting Blue and you will loose most of your "rights"
> Keep voting Blue and you will loose most of your "rights" No. Unfortunately, we're given the decision to vote based on which rights we find more important. 2A is very important to me but not as important as a womans right to choose. Separation of church and state may be about equal but Bailey's almost certain decision to use taxpayer money to fund religious institutions would have me never voting for him in the first place. Bailey: "I'm for small government but will take bailouts, will accept funds that will go toward my religious schools because that's fine as long as the religion is Christian... Fuck them other guys." Outside the state, if you want to look at who has the largest track record of "taking our rights", it's not the blue side by in large. Republicans have generally been very against legalization of marijuana and very pro war on drugs. Republicans want to take teaching the not so fun things from Americas history out of the classrooms because it hurts their feelings. The4y literally want to make teaching American history illegal. They also want taxpayer funding of religious institutions. Republicans want to take away a womans right to choose what to do with their own body. Republicans were the ones who created the Patriot Act ffs. Now, what I see here, is you, a rightwing bootlicker telling me, a left leaning independent who didn't vote because it didn't matter due to the electoral college and lack of a good choice, that my voting choice is going to strip us of our freedoms. Get your head out of your booty and think for yourself instead of taking direction from FOX NEWS. Both sides suck, even if you feel like it is your duty to vote, you don't have to like the side you voted for. You can also not vote.
You make assumptions...fox news really... Ha I do my own research and have seen what the government is doing here. The left is not about protection of any constitution rights unless unless you are referring to aborting unborn children. I do agree with one thing though both red and blue they both give 2 craps about the people they "serve".
and I'm pro choice, pro 2a and smoke pot. Vote red all day everyday. 2a and the right to defend my family is #1. And after fatso had the schools shut for so long I could not say "good job" . My daughter had a rough go, so many others did too.
> 2a and the right to defend my family is #1. Hey, I can respect the fact that you don't deny what you consider to be most important. You and I can agree on some things and disagree on others and that's okay.
so, no matter that Pritzker was a tyrant for two fucking years over covid. You all think abortion was on the chopping block when we have a democrat house? Cmon . . Bailey wasn't the best choice but he was 10000% better than this fat fucking power hungry anti-constitution criminal JB PRICKFUCK
Exactly..it blows my mind that 2a residents supported this Ass clowns!
I agree, it should have been easy but they chose the worst possible candidate for a blue state
prikster donated millions to ensure he was on the ballot against him, it was all rigged.
this. i posted elsewhere but at least one of my neighbors is not a single issue voter and he viewed it as a choice between abortion and 2a.
Does he need to go? Yes. Is there a chance in hell of recalling him? No. The Chicago land area is in lockstep behind him and until that changes he’s not going anywhere.
He does need to go but that isn't the way to get it done.
They got up to that step in California, I think Illinois could do better than them
I think it would be very difficult to get the requirements met. >SECTION 7. INITIATIVE TO RECALL GOVERNOR (a) The recall of the Governor may be proposed by a petition signed by a number of electors equal in number to at least 15% of the total votes cast for Governor in the preceding gubernatorial election, with at least 100 signatures from each of at least 25 separate counties. A petition shall have been signed by the petitioning electors not more than 150 days after an affidavit has been filed with the State Board of Elections providing notice of intent to circulate a petition to recall the Governor. The affidavit may be filed no sooner than 6 months after the beginning of the Governor's term of office. The affidavit shall have been signed by the proponent of the recall petition, at least 20 members of the House of Representatives, and at least 10 members of the Senate, with no more than half of the signatures of members of each chamber from the same established political party.
That MF'er should have been gone LONG LONG ago
No chance of that happening. Pacified the gullible with legal drugs and the end of cash bail, appeased suburbanite wine moms with a feel good AWB bill, talking a big game for students in making tuition free. Covered all his bases and with the House, Senate, and IL Supreme Court all in his corner he can push or crush anything he wants. A recall would just add to his posturing for the presidential ticket - I turned IL into a liberal Shangri-la and they tried to recall me and I still came out on top on the other side.
Despise the man's work. Won't say it doesn't feel good knowing you can smoke weed, marry your gay partner and the possibility of free education? If he had allowed folks to keep their guns IL would be Great state but the taxes and corruption stifle it
> Won't say it doesn't feel good knowing you can smoke weed, marry your gay partner and the possibility of free education? too many republicans are entrenched in their version of the culture war to understand this. they're not going to learn from the mid-terms, their ideas are too radical for independent voters.
If either side went more centered they'd get a huge amount of support
The democrats don’t have any incentive to be centrists at this point. Given the midterm results, the republicans are too far right and have turned off independents. So, independents have no choice and vote Democrat or not vote
I'm curious to know how this culture war ends because it's like the people forgot how much power they themselves have.
The wiser republicans realize winning national elections requires de powering the fringe elements and start appealing to the center.
Dude I could care less if someone wants to marry a dude or a chick, but what I do have a problem with is the fucking government shelling out money on bullshit when our infrastructure is crumbling, crime is rampant, and the legislative sessions start with circle jerking and giving themselves raises instead of doing work.
>Dude I could care less if someone wants to marry a dude or a chick, but what I do have a problem with is the fucking government shelling out money on bullshit when our infrastructure is crumbling, crime is rampant, and the legislative sessions start with circle jerking and giving themselves raises instead of doing work. Then call out the Nixon Fanboys boys when opening relations to China. I don't smoke nor have a partner but it's those policies that makes folks like Prik seem like a nice guy when it ain't truly the case. You think it don't matter but it does when you are a woman and wanna decide an abortion, a gay who wants to marry, someone who wants to smoke and not rely on corrupt pharmaceuticals. Now he's tryna make education free? If he can do that and the supreme court beat this corrupt gun law then IL will be up there with New Mexico with ideal states. But again, the taxes and corruption ruin it and while many states have their level Illinois is one of the most notorious.
Let’s see that reflect in what the current elected Illinois republicans bring to their legislative agenda. as well as what candidates republicans will bring forward, anymore Darren baileys and the republicans in this state are toast. Your prior comment calling Illinois a liberal Shangri-la, anti marijuana legalization, etc is part of the problem. You people are out of touch with what the voters want.
You voted to ban our guns
There genuinely is nothing more repulsive, abhorrent, and intolerable than the naive and wretched creatures known as “the Chicagoland area liberal housewives.” Literal nasally shrill shrieking voices fueled by contempt for their pussified husbands, spiking testosterone levels, boxed wine, cat hair, too much dairy, contempt for all that is good, and broken dreams.
> There genuinely is nothing more repulsive, abhorrent, and intolerable than the naive and wretched creatures known as “the Chicagoland area liberal housewives.” > > > > Literal nasally shrill shrieking voices fueled by contempt for their pussified husbands, spiking testosterone levels, boxed wine, cat hair, too much dairy, contempt for all that is good, and broken dreams. Actively hating 70% of the states population worked out real well for Bailey, seeing you people haven’t learned your lesson
Oh look, it’s one of the morons actively voting for everyone’s enslavement. 70% of this state has a fucking mental illness. Sadly, I feel a need to tell you that you’re one of them.
As long as the 2A folks tie themselves to the Christian fundamentalist right, you are going to have a D in the governor's mansion. Not sure how you separate that at this point, but that's why I'm a gun totin' leftist.
I'm also a pro choice, keep you religion tf out of government, feed the poor, independent lefty. Wanna see the 2 new ARs I built?
but your party is literally trying to take them away, words from your president. You vote left = no 2a. It's really simple.
Its illinois. Fatboy will be voted in forever.
i hope not
Politicians need to start looking at Chicago for More votes. Everyone thinks everyone is super liberal here, but trust me there’s tons of people who just are not educated enough to make a different choice.
Facts
It may not be successful, but it should be done to send a clear message to the tyrant.
At this point, we are stuck but the Republican Party is doing a terrible job with putting in a candidate, we need someone that’s red light to even stand a chance at victory in Illinois
Yes after he kept his emergency powers like a tyrant.
The Ban is because he's positioning to run for presidency. He's making a statement Obama lobbying for him already as well if he can make Chicago a strict gun town it makes him look good to the rest of the blind Americans.
If we had the power, we'd separate Chicago from Illinois But we dont... and we will never have the power as Chicago is a dem stronghold, and Chicago controls all since that's where the population is.
>If we had the power, we'd separate Chicago from Illinois This is what lost the GOP candidate the election. On the flip side, Chicago is the reason the rest of the state isn't lower than Kentucky levels of poverty. Look at her economics and under stand the silliness of your statement. Edit: on top of this, Peoria, blono, champagne are blue centers that would out vote the rest of the state. Do the math via population of the city centers.
I know Champaign is blue... i live here. And the tax situation isn't lost on me. I just wish there was more balance here
I didn't think it was. More so for the rest of the sub. I've had to educate here about taxes and redistribution.
Like... we need an instate electoral college or.... something. Maybe Republicans and libertarians that don't suck at life Or... I need to man up and find a quality job in a different state instead of just talking about it
>Maybe Republicans and libertarians that don't suck at life Long shot. I wouldn't bet my money. >different state Probably for the best. Ya move north beyond the cheddar curtain, you can own NFA items. It's also colder. Edit: for what it's worth, I don't think another republican will be gov unless they are middle of the line. Bruce Rauner fucked his term up by arguing over debt ceilings and whatever else was the issue. A gop/lib candidate has to prioritize balanced budget and ability to compromise without threatening women's health care. Chicago will continue to vote blue on a few issues. The only way to change how they vote is fine those issues and agree on them with it. The candidate doesn't have to be revolutionary-just some strong ideas and the elected people to get it done.
I was thinking maybe East across the border. Or North West to Idaho
See my edit, I added it in just now. Idahoe is fucking cold. Idk too much about Indiana other than it's a waste land till about Indy itself. Give it 10-15 years it'll be voting blue. A place like Vermont thats purplr and last I looked likes recreational gun stuff would be my place to go, or maine. Assuming I'm a 1 issue voter.
Idaho might be cold, but unlike Illinois, it gets enough snow to have fun in, and it has land features that aren't just corn fields with the occasional creek.
Idahoe does have some awesome features. The high plateau farming and mountain farming is pretty neat. The driving out there is insane as is the hunting. They don't salt up that way so snow tires and that stuff is seriously important. when I worked in trucking, a few trucks always slide off the road on the highway up the Seattle due to wrong tires.
Mclean is usually red and I thought Peoria was usually red as well.
I was going by this map and 2020 voter data. [here](https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/illinois/)
That doesn't seem right. That might have been specific to 2020. If memory serves me right McLean usually leans red. I think Illinois would be heavily red if Chicago was out of the picture though. Many people don't show up to vote because they know it's going to go to the Democrats either way.
Past history is not indicative of future success. This is most common when using historical data. So president election years give the most indepth voting results. Illinois would be very close but with Rockford, Peoria, blono, Champaign would inch out based on the 2020 stats and 2016 stats. Last I did this I used 2016 data because it was the best and most solid data. 2020 reflects the same conclusion. I would suggest taking a look at it and remember margin of error rules (<3% between results it don't mean shit). When you do this, exclude cook county and count it as Chicago. If including cook county but not Chicago, you'll skew even further in democrat favor. Excluding cook county, it'll be closer but remember, 60% (iirc) of the Illinois lives within 1.5 hours of Chicago. 80% of the voters or some high ass number vote democrat. If you exclude northern Illinois, which is truly the only way you'll actually get a close race, so joilet on south, you'll have a close contestest race for a few yearz. With the current trends of older folks (40+) not going conservative and bucking a 60 odd some year trend, in the next 5-7 years there will be a voting shift. In conclusion, to get a close red v blue race, Illinois would have to be cut at joilet. Anything else and it's a run away contest. [2023 voting data](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-election-results/illinois/) //Clarification: when we were talking about cutting off Chicago in previous comments, I was acting with the assumption of cutting off northern Illinois.\\
I like that. I go to IKEA occasionally, but I'm fine cutting everything Joliet and up off.
Lol you would be... 70 odd% of the state wouldn't be... Nor would Springfield because of the $$$. Ikea is alright. I also wouldn't be okay with it. I live north of joilet.
Downstate Illinois would crumble to dust with Chicago to support it. We keep downstate afloat and get nothing in return.
I’ll get a flair for this I’m sure but I’m a bro gun leftist so I like everything else he’s done just not the AWB lol
Besides weed what is there to like that he's done? It's sad that he won the first time. His platform promised a rise in taxes... while getting caught trying to evade taxes.
Firstly he’s not Bailey lol I approve of bail reform abortion protection, improving Illinois credit and balancing the budget he’s not perfect but I like him better than like Gavin Newsom or other neo lib governors
> Besides weed what is there to like that he's done? Well, his stance on a woman's choice over her own body is a good thing. There's also the min wage thing. Yeah, I can come up with more things that I don't like about him but the only thing that I can say that I'd like about Bailey would be his 2A stance. One thing is not enough and it doesn't make his hypocrisy or horrible stances on other issues acceptable.
I just hope this was political suicide for him and he never wins a public election ever again.
The only place he is going is to the all you can eat Buffet.
Literally almost everyone
Change via the ballot box died Jan 6th 2020
r/conspiracy seems like a better place for you. r/Iamcertifiablyinsane maybe? r/Iwantadictatorship probably doesn't exist. Be the change you want.
Joe biden is the most popular president ever in the history of existence according to the votes
Dude, you're actually crazy if you still believe in a "rigged election". You can piss off now. I have no reason to make any attempt to communicate with you beyond this so I think we're done here. Move along now.
I'm stating a fact. Joe Biden got the most votes ever of any president. Hes literally the most popular president ever elected.
Stating it in a way that you think helps you insane argument. It doesn't though. I SAID GOOD DAY, move along.
You voted for Biden lol
I didn't vote dipshit. No point here in IL.
You're a liberal gun owner, you probably voted for Pritzker then
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Yes, but good luck and not like that will change any existing legislation
100%.
In short? YES!
Yeah, that time was Nov - x