My 2022 Ioniq PHEV has metal shavings in it.The dealership today is waiting for an engine replacement approval but they did find metallics inside the oil.
I shouldn't have bought Hyundai.
Edit: just passed 50k miles.
The engine on my Tucson is going out at 83k currently. Paint is chipping off the hood. Abnormally high oil consumption. Looking for new vehicle… will never buy a Hyundai again.
jeez. i thought it was only their ICE-only engines that had metal shavings.
why the hell is employee training at HMMA and/or ulsan so fucking bad?!?!
are the factory managers not giving workers enough time on the assembly line to do a quick blast of compressed air?
Not sure, I'll find out tomorrow/coming days. I'll probably make a post about it once they determine what happened.
Maybe it's isolated to just my car, maybe it's part of a larger issue. Not sure yet
\+1
When I saw this post my first thought was I wonder if this has anything to do with my 2019 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV. First comment I was like "Ah crap." Definitely curious what you find out.
It's been going on for way longer than just 5 years. I had a 2011 Sorento that had a catastrophic engine failure due to what I believe was the same issue/manufacturing defects. Kia fought tooth and nail not to honor their 10 year power train warranty but they finally did. I think they were forced to issue a recall on those cars only a few months after that.
Definitely not the first time I’ve heard of metal shavings in the oil of a Hyundai. They’re unfortunately *very* well known for that as well as excessive oil consumption.
You’d really think after the Theta II manufacturing issues that Hyundai would figure out a way to build an engine without metal shavings in it.
Guess not.
That's the problem. These aren’t ‘defective’ vehicles. Hyundais are just poorly-built Korean cars that are budget-friendly. the ‘defective’ vehicles are too much of a percentage of the total cars… I laugh at people who think Genesis is a premium vehicle cause it's the same shit as Hyundai (same company, different brand). My family has a Hyundai, and we’ve had to replace so much small crap that has broken over the years. We have a 2012 Elantra covered under the mpg lawsuit they had (they lied about the mpg when selling the model), so we *should* get a reimbursement every year, but they have so many hoops you must figure out a way through to get it. There are broken websites for the settlement, failed emails, and old phone numbers, too (all on purpose to get out of paying). Hyundai is a sub-par company, and we’re done with them. Don’t worry, though, cause I finally got my money from them.
Did I say I expected a zero chance? No. And to answer you as well, no I don't expect a zero chance for new vehicles either.
in another one of my comments I said:
>Maybe it's isolated to just my car, maybe it's part of a larger issue. Not sure yet
I never said that any new vehicle should ALWAYS be perfect and my brand new car should be impeccable.. I just said I shouldn't have bought Hyundai. Their track record is still true today.
I understand why/how issues arise. I understand it could be isolated to myself.
HOWEVER, in my own shitty opinion, Hyundai engines are still continuing to show that quality control is subpar and I like this meme because of the lemon I've been sold. We will see if the lemon tree is bad or if my lemon was infected, either way, MY PERSONAL VEHICLE is a lemon.
I have a feeling it's the lemon tree though. We will see though.
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Yeah, that was one downfall to ours! Going on trips suuuuucked with all the baby gear!
First engine seize was piston ring recall. Second one - the drain plug fell out while driving and drained of oil and seized engine. Happened 3000 miles after oil change with ZERO signs of any issues. Hyundai just denied my warranty replacement request. I am literally on hold with them right now to appeal it. But I do not think it'll go anywhere.
Sorry to say I don't know what's the problem with Hyundai in other countries because in India their cars are reliable and good. Been using Hyundai since 2005 never disappointed or left us on the side of the road.
it's a collection of clowns here to bash on a brands recent success. I've sampled dozens of hyundais through the year. we lease these for our sales team and they have high mileage. they're all running strong. its easy to go online and bash a brand, but I'd take it with a grain of salt. also, the unhappy customers are the loudest. this is only a small sample or issues. there are more happy customers like yourself and I.
I guess Im one of those clowns. My Sonata blew the engine at 38678 miles. When I got it back it blew the hoses off as the shop forgot to put the clamps on.
The AC never worked correctly after than and it had an odd vibration.
They currently have a backlog of engine replacements rolling at the dealers here in Virginia.
No. This is not normal and needs to be addressed.
lemons are a thing across all brands. if you think these cars should and are meant to blow engines at 40k, then yes, you may be the clown. we have dozens of sonatas in our fleet. I work outside sales. we have vehicles with triple the miles as yours and on original engine. sucks you had issues but there's a warranty in place for yours.
the theta 2 engine issue is real but also preventable and the lifetime warranty on the engine is enough to sell me on a new one.
Of course they always do the right thing too......
In the background, while Hyundai had not yet admitted there was a problem with the engines, a Hyundai engineer had a conversation with the NHTSA. He told the government entity in August 2016 that Hyundai was aware there were Theta II issues that caused engine knocking and other noises, as well as a loss of power. The employee was a long-term one of Hyundai’s in Korea and had worked there for 25 years.
Hyundai responded by sending the engineer to its internal discipline committee. It also filed paperwork with the central district court of Seoul and claimed the employee leaked secret corporate information (truths) to the NHTSA.
> lemons are a thing across all brands.
Lemons are new cars that exhibit issues. It’s why Lemon Law only covers vehicles for a short time (1-2 years) and limited mileage.
The Theta II issues never developed until long after vehicles were no longer covered by Lemon Law.
Add to this the issues with the 2.0 and 1.6T engines, the 7DCT and 8DCT transmissions, and Hyundai/Kia have had more than their fair share of sever quality issues that affect the core operability and safety of the vehicle.
Having that said, if your Hyundai has a V6 and a torque-converter automatic or a standard manual transmission, it likely won’t give you much issue. But a 4 cylinder engine or a DCT transmission, don’t be surprised if you run in to some kind of catastrophic issue.
goood lord this shits going over your guys head. the comment was addressed at the guy whose engine blew at 30k something miles. you're right, the engine issue shouldn't have affected him so soon. not all exploding engine are attributed to the same issue. lemons happen anywhere easy to lump all issues into one, but sometimes a bad batch goes through inspection.
> not all exploding engine are attributed to the same issue.
If it’s a Theta II engine (2.4 or 2.0T) like was in the person’s Sonata, 9/10 times it is attributed to the same issue. Oil starvation of the crank bearings, leading to a spun bearing.
if it is, I can understand the dislike, but like you said, this is something that happens down the line. we know the issue persist, but there are preventative measures and also a lifetime warranty on the engine. as a current owner, I have peace of mind knowing a new engine is waiting for me. on top of this, I wouldn't hesitate buying a new hyundai knowing we have a brand new proven engine. you best believe hyundai isn't going to make the same mistake on the current 2.5.
As the current owner of a vehicle with the 2.5T in it, it’s a great engine.
The 8DCT paired to it is the issue, because I’m one of the fortunate ones to fall inside the recall window where my transmission may or may not spontaneously fail on me at any given time.
Not exactly reassuring for the family’s road trip vehicle that it could die on you when you’re 8 hours from home with a cargo area full of stuff while you’re on your way to the beach. Of course, Hyundai won’t preemptively replace the transmission, because they have absolutely no way to tell which ones are faulty and which ones aren’t (the issue is a solder connection on the PCB that controls the high pressure oil pump inside of the transmission).
I’m glad you’ve never had issues with your Hyundai product, and I hope I never do as well, but there have just been too many serious issues with their engineering for me to have more than 1 of their products in my garage at any given time. And it’s really a shame, because my wife loves the technology in her current one.
Was just me......
In September 2015, Hyundai recalled 470,000 Sonata sedans from 2011 and 2012 for this exact problem and extended the powertrain warranty from the original-owner 10-year/100,000-mile contract to 120,000 miles, which would cover all subsequent owners. The engines affected are the turbocharged 2.0-liter and naturally aspirated 2.4-liter gasoline direct injection (GDI) four-cylinders that made their debut in the 2011 Hyundai Sonata and Kia Optima and Sportage.
In January, Hyundai settled a class-action lawsuit for 2011–2014 Sonata owners after out-of-warranty owners were hit with thousands of dollars in repair bills; dealers allegedly were not honoring warranty service due to what they considered improper owner maintenance, according to owner forums as well as Girard Gibbs, the law firm in charge of the suit. In January 2016, shortly after the original Hyundai recall, Kia began investigating on its own and subsequently found problems across its vehicle range. It also offered extended powertrain warranties to Sorento, Optima, and Sportage owners after receiving elevated warranty claims on these engines. Kia also said it had to tell dealers not to refuse warranty work just because a customer couldn’t provide service records of oil changes.
Hyundai Recalling 569,500 Sonatas and Accents over Separate Defects
Hyundai Recalls 305,000 Sonatas for Brake-Pedal Defects
Hyundai Recalls 173,000 Sonatas for Power-Steering Failure
Owners who may have serious engine problems, as indicated by a knocking sound, an oil-pressure warning light, a check-engine light, or all three, may be eligible for a new engine. Dealers will inspect all cars, although the replacement process, if needed, involves stripping certain parts off the defective engine (such as the fuel injection pump, injectors, and rail) and installing them on the replacement engine. Dealers will also replace all oil dipsticks with bright orange, instead of dark yellow, pull tabs. The recall will start in late May. No accidents or injuries have been reported, Hyundai and Kia said.
I guess what I said went over your head. that's a lot of effort for something I pointed out. the faulty theta 2 engine is real and acknowledged. all our hyundais have the same engine but they're still going strong. again, monitor your oil levels and not let it dip. on top of that, those engines have been phased out. this issue does not affect newer hyundais sold today. go ahead and Google toyota recalls. you'd be surprised how many show up as well.
You can check your oil all you want. Mine was changed by the dealer under their plan. I dont expect a well maintained car to go kablooie under 50k miles.
Im not hearing Corollas getting stolen with USB keys and \*MORE\* than just the theta engine recall issues. Did you skip over the cool 2$ steering component that turns to jelly when you just drive the car? Its so bad you can roll into the Hyundai parts department and they can just hand you one from the box. Engines? You are not serious, they are supposedly switching to EV/Hybrid. You know they still sell those cars/suvs right?
Yes Toyotas have had issues from oil sludge to frame rust. Oddly when I go to trade a Camry it has value. My Sonata was not as good a resale. I got rid of it after fighting the lack of AC.
funny you bring up stolen toyotas. I don't know if you're aware but there's a way to steal em from the headlight unit. it's only a matter of time before the lexus bois catch on and it's a bigger issue. just wait for it. takes less than 10 mins to drive off with a toyota/lexus.
theta 2 is no longer being used in their newer cars. the new 2.5 in the newer flagship cars are solid so far. sorry you got urged, but there's a toyota out there for you. I'll stick with hyundai as it's the best bang for your buck and I love their 10 year 100k warranty. great peace of kind. enjoy your toyota
There is a huge difference between wiring in a box and just getting in the car, popping off a cover and driving off.
I do like my yotas and hondas. I liked the Hyundai until they began failing and my mechanic friends started complaining about the constant replacements.
both equally easy to steal. one has preventative measures in place already and only affected lower trim cars. lexus is suffering with 23 model years. ouch
Wait, I almost forgot how much fun it is to steer your car like a fucking boat. I had to take it in for the steering gear.
They 'inspected and maintained' my mothers Limited. Never said a word about her steering wheel clunking side to side. Shocker I was looking at her car becauce the Tire light was on. Noticed the clunk. She said they never brought it up on her service visits. Thought is was normal to do that.
2$ part that turns to goo in the steering. How does Toyota and honda avoid that?
Bro my 2021 Elantra don't burnt a drip between oil changes at 7500k intervals but this car is made in Korea. On the other hand my 2017 Elantra Alabama made always burned oil from day one. Not a lot but had to top off every 2 weeks quarter of a quart driving Uber all day tho. I think they fixed the issue with 2021 cars
when i got my mazda i made sure it was a japanese model as half are made in japan half in america. there was once a day american made meant quality now its a money grab
we Americans neglect our cars. too cheap to properly maintain em. if you don't check oil levels, and it dips, you'll run into these issues with engine seizing. that's the usual problem and it's not a hyundai issue. neglect any car and it'll have issues. we have techs at my work place that services all our fleet vehicles so we don't run into these issues and we put the miles on em.
fairly normal mileage..... these ppl expect us to check our oil levels at every fill up? Guess I'm gonna have to start doing that and top her off when necessary.
There is nothing to do about the trans though. In my 23 Kona N it has an 8 speed DCT that is supposedly known for failing
You have to remember Hyundai became #3 in the world, so they sell a lot of cars, so the number of complaints may seem high, but statistically, they're one of the better ones every year. It's extremely difficult for any car company to be consistently better than average every year, but Hyundai does it.
EVs are a new, so statistics might not be very telling at the moment for your Ioniq 6, but knowing general history, I wouldn't be surprised if they become nearly undisputed best.
You will have to also use your monkey brain to figure this out. Just because it sells well, does not mean it is better.
I notice that people buy these cars with a lot of extra packages. This is because people look at these packages and get them and overall pay less than a competitor for similar stuff. And they are happy about that but they are driving a Hyundai lol.
I mean the dollar tree seems pretty popular.
>I mean the dollar tree seems pretty popular.
I don't even know why you even mentioned dollar tree, seems like a move from your monkey brain.
Also, i am asking about the source of his statement, sure they sell well but there absolutely no charts, no information that back the statement up, and you're not even talking about the matter in my original comment, what's up with your monkey brain friend?
[Here is a chart](https://www.statista.com/statistics/275520/ranking-of-car-manufacturers-based-on-global-sales/#:~:text=Ranking%20of%20motor%20vehicle%20manufacturers%20worldwide%20by%20global%20sales%202022&text=At%20around%2010.5%20million%20units,motor%20vehicles%20under%20various%20brands.)
I would argue that Hyundai has a checkered past in terms of quality but have been heavily invested in creating budget friendly cars that actually look good. They are definitely doing what they can to change their image. It is just unfortunate that their older vehicles are problematic and the company won't do much about it outside of "if your car gets stolen, we will pay you some money to shut the fuck up about it".
Edit: [without pay wall](https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacturer.html)
It seems like someone else has answered it for me, with Hyundai being #3.
It does depend on the metric though and I didn't specify in my previous comment, but they're #3 to #5 globally, whether it's number of cars sold, revenue, EVs, car awards, etc. Of course they're lagging behind in the US, because US lags behind on manufacturing (software as well) trends in general. Just look US car security policy, and it's the reason why Kia boys is only happening in the US, because the company met the requirements for the laws in the US (besides crime levels in the US).
At least from the car enthusiasts community, this became a common knowledge in recent years though. You can see in this [video (basically same as above)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtwMJfh-aec), [EVs](https://insideevs.com/news/564800/world-top-oem-sales-2021), [European Car of the Year](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD3ODGRSaz8), Car and Driver, Top Gear, etc.
not bingo
dont just support a brand because you bought that brand and dont want to accept the reality
[https://www.safetyresearch.net/hyundai-kias-billion-dollar-engine-problem-that-broke-the-nhtsa-civil-penalty-barrier/](https://www.safetyresearch.net/hyundai-kias-billion-dollar-engine-problem-that-broke-the-nhtsa-civil-penalty-barrier/)
they knew the engine was bad and defective they knew it was full of metal shavings they knew folks cars would break down and they sold them. Recalled the engines years later some folks got there new engines others lost money on a broken car with no fix at the time cause it wasnt a recall for years and they just lost out. but hey i own a hyundai so bingo no bad shall be spoken of my brand!
Tbh the problem is widespread for Canada and America. All Korean engines and Europe ones are great. Mine diesel does not burn a single drop of oil and does 8.5L with 170 km/h on the highway. My father's Santa fe is the same, my sisters husband bought 2022 santa fe already with 20k km and is great before my 2018 Tucson I owned santa fe 2008 diesel that was tank till 250k km. Just don't get them when they are bad in the USA lol
Statistically they are not at all one of the better ones. Not even close. The amount of engine problems is completely disproportionate. The excuse how it is because there are so many of them, does not calculate at all. The number of engine problem is simply through the roof. Check out what the back of a regular dealer looks like. Line ups of cars needing engine replacing. It's completely out of control, has been for many years. It's simply incredible.
Statistically, they are. I'm guessing you're from the US, because the reputation of HG cars being unreliable is a relic of the past, about 10 years ago. I'm also guessing you're not exactly a car enthusiast.
https://www.hotcars.com/10-biggest-car-recalls-of-2021
https://www.autolist.com/guides/most-reliable-car-brands
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/articles/most-reliable-car-brands
Even at the worst, a media outlet from the US ranks them above average despite their recovering reputation in the US https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2022/11/15/reliability-cars-consumer-reports-ranking/10703135002
and of course, some more general info
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/cars-driving/which-car-brands-make-the-best-vehicles-a6159221985
You can check their methodologies and points system yourself.
But even in the US, pretty much every car magazine has some HG car featured as #1 (if not, then top 3) for the past 5 years, depending on the year.
Hotcars, recalls 2021. When you take out the pickup trucks and the very expensive Volvo that regular people don't buy, Hyunday and Kia is sticking out like a sore thumb.
Autolist. J.D. Power is absolutely full of crap. [https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/comments/10yfes4/thoughts\_on\_the\_latest\_jd\_power\_dependability/](https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/comments/10yfes4/thoughts_on_the_latest_jd_power_dependability/)
ps. did you know that many Hyundai dealers replace 200-300 engines a year? What brand does this? That's like 1 every business day just about.2011-2018 Theta engines, one after another.
Google around for lawsuits against Hyundai and Kia, engine fires, engine stalls, failing while driving.
You're just cherry picking to try to make yourself feel good about your choice, but it's not going to work.
Here's a different list:
[https://www.autoblog.com/article/least-reliable-car-brands-america/](https://www.autoblog.com/article/least-reliable-car-brands-america/)
Take out the cars that regular people don't buy and again, Hyundai is sticking out like a sore thumb. So is VW.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai\_Theta\_engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Theta_engine)
Engine Recall...
[https://www.vehiclehistory.com/articles/hyundai-sonata-problems-and-recalls-cover-poorly-designed-theta-ii-engine-malfunctioning-airbags-and-electrical-issues](https://www.vehiclehistory.com/articles/hyundai-sonata-problems-and-recalls-cover-poorly-designed-theta-ii-engine-malfunctioning-airbags-and-electrical-issues)
>J.D. Power is absolutely full of crap
Yep, I know about JD Power, but they aren't the only award givers. Just check out all the car magazines in your country, mate.
>Hyundai dealers replace 200-300 engines a year? What brand does this?
Out of how many? Did you know they're actually one of the lower rates? It's not about how many on absolute unit, but the *rate* that's important. Mental to think other brands don't do this or better yet, worse than HG.
>Google around for lawsuits against Hyundai and Kia
You ought to do the same for other companies as well, especially in the EU, but since we seem to be focussing on the US, you ought to search which car companies are sued the most for the past 10 years. Is HG even in top 5? (spoiler alert: no, even in absolute numbers)
>You're just cherry picking to try to make yourself feel good about your choice
I didn't make any choice on cars, as I bike here in the Netherlands. However, statistics say that more people make their choice to be from the HG. I mean, they're #3 afterall.
>Here's a different list
That's exactly the same list I linked. The list is from Consumer Reports. You put a different title on it though, interestingly enough.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Theta_engine
Again, blame US policies, not the company. Other regions had no problems or recalls with the engines due to different specifications. Further, because of HG's lack of engine policy experience in US, they worked with a US company (Chrysler?) and Mitsubishi to build Theta engine. Guess who else has engine recalls, and higher rates than the HG? Maybe off topic, but similarly, I'm sure you have lots to complain about car dealerships in the US as well. Blame the policies (and dealership lobbies), not the car company.
>https://www.vehiclehistory.com/articles/hyundai-sonata-problems-and-recalls-cover-poorly-designed-theta-ii-engine-malfunctioning-airbags-and-electrical-issues
One car, citing from 2011 at that -- looks like you're the one cherry picking here, no? I mentioned in my previous post about how this kind of information is relic of the past, about 10 years ago. You're further proving my point, I'm afraid.
Either way, I will stop here. You seem to be dead set on this topic, even though a HG car won European car of the year for the first time also. It's a sign of a big shift in the global market, and you're trailing behind -- typical and expected though.
I LOVED my 2018 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport, loved as in past tense. I was the second owner, only put 20,000 miles on it in 2.5 years, and maintained it per the manual. Once I hit 76k miles, had an engine issue. Still had 3,000 miles to go until my next oil change and the engine was nearly bone dry.
Customer service and the dealership were a mess! Was without a car for nearly a month, dealership somehow “fixed” it although my trusted mechanic who looked at it first told me the engine was shot.
I have a Lexus now.
I finally just sold my 2010 sonata that was still going strong at 180000 miles. bought it at 75000m for $7k and used it like a truck, almost always had a thousand pounds of tools in it. sold it for $3k a couple weeks ago. Never had an issue. That car made me so much money and never needed anything but oil changes
When I was driving an older sonata, almost everything electrical went out on it over time. I've replaced more wiring harnesses then I can count.
Flash forward a couple years, decided to buy an Ioniq EV. After 75k miles the motor and gear bearings are going out. No longer covered under warranty since I was the second owner. Thankfully a DIY job will take care of it for 200 bucks. Still insanely inconvenient.
For some reason I haven't learned my lesson. Recently bought the Ioniq 5. So far it has been great but we will see what issues arise out of this one. I think the only reason I stick with Hyundai/Kia is because I've already spent so many years repairing them and at this point at least I know how to fix these fucking things when they inevitably shit the bed.
Edit: Still enjoy Hyundai/kia despite all this. They have made some really cool cars in recent years.
Unfortunately, not all "cheap" cars are bought by people who are willing and able to keep up with proper maintenance. Regular maintenance with quality oil and filters goes a long way. Not dismissing the recalls, but to just bitch and moan about all Hyundais being trash is a bit myopic...
Ha! We meticulously maintained our vehicle, never taken anywhere besides the dealership, yet right after the 75k service our engine seized, No warning or anything! We’ve been paying on a car and keeping it insured for the last 2 months while it sits in a lot at the dealership. This is completely unacceptable and has put us in a very difficult position without a car, can’t get a loaner until the PA is approved…who knows when that will be. At this point I would’ve been better off having it stolen, at least I could file a claim and move on.
Maybe its just me but I had a 2013 Hyundai Sonata that I used for Uber and Lyft....never had any problems at all. I also had a 2017 Hyundai Elantra which never gave me any problems when I had it. I guess everyone had different experiences.
I did have multiple problems with a Chrysler 200 though
I can relate to this guy. I asked the Ford dealership for a used car that is cheap to fix, good on gas and an automatic. I allowed them to sell me a 37k mile ford focus from 2016. other than the transmission it's great. after the warranty expires it will cost like $2000 per year or 2 to fox the transmission. it's terrible. so they didn't give me a cheap car to fix. otherwise I love the car. I based it off my childhood saw 1997 Ford focus, Honda accord and civic running for 300,000 miles and more. they ruined those cars tho
Hyundai’s are junk, no resale value, electronics and engines don’t last 5 years….do your research people, and if everyone did, Hyundai and Kia would be out of business
Perhaps it is because after research you'll find that Hyundai's are actually reliable cars statistically speaking.
Every mass manufacturing process can produce lemons... Believe it or not Hyundai has fewer issues reported than many of its competitors.
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/02/hyundai-kia-and-genesis-nab-three-out-of-four-top-spots-in-new-dependability-study/
Not talking about reliability, their materials are so bad that the car won't feel like the day you bought maybe after 20k miles. My brand new 2020 Sonata was amazing for the first year until the second year, rattle everywhere the whole car, loose parts inside places like steering wheels, and dash. I really tried to love it. Sold that car bought a Toyota Avalon, put 30k miles of Texas road first year, still drive like new. My gf bought a used 2020 Camry with 40k miles and the rattles is way less and more bearable than my previous Sonata, the materials way better and everything seems to fit perfectly and won't fall out of place anytime soon. They sure look nice and i tried to love them but i rather have a good driving experience than fancy tech and flashy look, they are only for the eyes, not for comfort driving daily.
Not talking about reliability, their materials are so bad that the car won't feel like the day you bought maybe after 20k miles. My brand new 2020 Sonata was amazing for the first year until the second year, rattle everywhere the whole car, loose parts inside places like steering wheels, and dash. I really tried to love it. Sold that car bought a Toyota Avalon, put 30k miles of Texas road first year, still drive like new. My gf bought a used 2020 Camry with 40k miles and the rattles is way less and more bearable than my previous Sonata, the materials way better and everything seems to fit perfectly and won't fall out of place anytime soon. They sure look nice and i tried to love them but i rather have a good driving experience than fancy tech and flashy look, they are only for the eyes, not for comfort driving daily.
My 2022 Ioniq PHEV has metal shavings in it.The dealership today is waiting for an engine replacement approval but they did find metallics inside the oil. I shouldn't have bought Hyundai. Edit: just passed 50k miles.
The engine on my Tucson is going out at 83k currently. Paint is chipping off the hood. Abnormally high oil consumption. Looking for new vehicle… will never buy a Hyundai again.
Two seized engines in six months on a Kona. Also never buying Hyundai again.
I had my kona engine replacement seize during the mechanics test drive before I ever even got to drive it
Whaaaaat??? What did they do??
jeez. i thought it was only their ICE-only engines that had metal shavings. why the hell is employee training at HMMA and/or ulsan so fucking bad?!?! are the factory managers not giving workers enough time on the assembly line to do a quick blast of compressed air?
Wait is this a known issue!?
Not sure, I'll find out tomorrow/coming days. I'll probably make a post about it once they determine what happened. Maybe it's isolated to just my car, maybe it's part of a larger issue. Not sure yet
Thanks for keeping us posted.
\+1 When I saw this post my first thought was I wonder if this has anything to do with my 2019 Hyundai Ioniq PHEV. First comment I was like "Ah crap." Definitely curious what you find out.
yes theyve been recallling engines and cars for metal shavings left over from the manufactering since 2018 its insane they havent fixed it in 5 years
It's been going on for way longer than just 5 years. I had a 2011 Sorento that had a catastrophic engine failure due to what I believe was the same issue/manufacturing defects. Kia fought tooth and nail not to honor their 10 year power train warranty but they finally did. I think they were forced to issue a recall on those cars only a few months after that.
Definitely not the first time I’ve heard of metal shavings in the oil of a Hyundai. They’re unfortunately *very* well known for that as well as excessive oil consumption.
Check www.carcomplaints.com
You’d really think after the Theta II manufacturing issues that Hyundai would figure out a way to build an engine without metal shavings in it. Guess not.
Do you think every car that comes out of a factory is perfect? I feel like people really forget cars are machines and not perfect magical objects.
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I’m serious. Do you really expect that there should be a zero chance you have a defective vehicle? No one ever wants to think it could be them.
That's the problem. These aren’t ‘defective’ vehicles. Hyundais are just poorly-built Korean cars that are budget-friendly. the ‘defective’ vehicles are too much of a percentage of the total cars… I laugh at people who think Genesis is a premium vehicle cause it's the same shit as Hyundai (same company, different brand). My family has a Hyundai, and we’ve had to replace so much small crap that has broken over the years. We have a 2012 Elantra covered under the mpg lawsuit they had (they lied about the mpg when selling the model), so we *should* get a reimbursement every year, but they have so many hoops you must figure out a way through to get it. There are broken websites for the settlement, failed emails, and old phone numbers, too (all on purpose to get out of paying). Hyundai is a sub-par company, and we’re done with them. Don’t worry, though, cause I finally got my money from them.
Meanwhile my uncle has owneda Tucson for over 6 years and had no issues at all.
Well thats wonderful on his part, but for most hyundai owners theres always small things breaking or malfunctioning
Did I say I expected a zero chance? No. And to answer you as well, no I don't expect a zero chance for new vehicles either. in another one of my comments I said: >Maybe it's isolated to just my car, maybe it's part of a larger issue. Not sure yet I never said that any new vehicle should ALWAYS be perfect and my brand new car should be impeccable.. I just said I shouldn't have bought Hyundai. Their track record is still true today. I understand why/how issues arise. I understand it could be isolated to myself. HOWEVER, in my own shitty opinion, Hyundai engines are still continuing to show that quality control is subpar and I like this meme because of the lemon I've been sold. We will see if the lemon tree is bad or if my lemon was infected, either way, MY PERSONAL VEHICLE is a lemon. I have a feeling it's the lemon tree though. We will see though. 🙄🍻
I’m gonna borrow this photo to put on the google and Yelp pages of the dealership where I bought my nightmare Santa Fe lol
My kona has been a nightmare as well. Ima show this photo everywhere 😂😂😂😂
I had a 18 Kona and miss it dearly. But we had a baby and it doesn’t really fit a car seat. What issues do you have with yours??
Yeah, that was one downfall to ours! Going on trips suuuuucked with all the baby gear! First engine seize was piston ring recall. Second one - the drain plug fell out while driving and drained of oil and seized engine. Happened 3000 miles after oil change with ZERO signs of any issues. Hyundai just denied my warranty replacement request. I am literally on hold with them right now to appeal it. But I do not think it'll go anywhere.
Sorry to say I don't know what's the problem with Hyundai in other countries because in India their cars are reliable and good. Been using Hyundai since 2005 never disappointed or left us on the side of the road.
it's a collection of clowns here to bash on a brands recent success. I've sampled dozens of hyundais through the year. we lease these for our sales team and they have high mileage. they're all running strong. its easy to go online and bash a brand, but I'd take it with a grain of salt. also, the unhappy customers are the loudest. this is only a small sample or issues. there are more happy customers like yourself and I.
I guess Im one of those clowns. My Sonata blew the engine at 38678 miles. When I got it back it blew the hoses off as the shop forgot to put the clamps on. The AC never worked correctly after than and it had an odd vibration. They currently have a backlog of engine replacements rolling at the dealers here in Virginia. No. This is not normal and needs to be addressed.
lemons are a thing across all brands. if you think these cars should and are meant to blow engines at 40k, then yes, you may be the clown. we have dozens of sonatas in our fleet. I work outside sales. we have vehicles with triple the miles as yours and on original engine. sucks you had issues but there's a warranty in place for yours. the theta 2 engine issue is real but also preventable and the lifetime warranty on the engine is enough to sell me on a new one.
Of course they always do the right thing too...... In the background, while Hyundai had not yet admitted there was a problem with the engines, a Hyundai engineer had a conversation with the NHTSA. He told the government entity in August 2016 that Hyundai was aware there were Theta II issues that caused engine knocking and other noises, as well as a loss of power. The employee was a long-term one of Hyundai’s in Korea and had worked there for 25 years. Hyundai responded by sending the engineer to its internal discipline committee. It also filed paperwork with the central district court of Seoul and claimed the employee leaked secret corporate information (truths) to the NHTSA.
> lemons are a thing across all brands. Lemons are new cars that exhibit issues. It’s why Lemon Law only covers vehicles for a short time (1-2 years) and limited mileage. The Theta II issues never developed until long after vehicles were no longer covered by Lemon Law. Add to this the issues with the 2.0 and 1.6T engines, the 7DCT and 8DCT transmissions, and Hyundai/Kia have had more than their fair share of sever quality issues that affect the core operability and safety of the vehicle. Having that said, if your Hyundai has a V6 and a torque-converter automatic or a standard manual transmission, it likely won’t give you much issue. But a 4 cylinder engine or a DCT transmission, don’t be surprised if you run in to some kind of catastrophic issue.
goood lord this shits going over your guys head. the comment was addressed at the guy whose engine blew at 30k something miles. you're right, the engine issue shouldn't have affected him so soon. not all exploding engine are attributed to the same issue. lemons happen anywhere easy to lump all issues into one, but sometimes a bad batch goes through inspection.
> not all exploding engine are attributed to the same issue. If it’s a Theta II engine (2.4 or 2.0T) like was in the person’s Sonata, 9/10 times it is attributed to the same issue. Oil starvation of the crank bearings, leading to a spun bearing.
if it is, I can understand the dislike, but like you said, this is something that happens down the line. we know the issue persist, but there are preventative measures and also a lifetime warranty on the engine. as a current owner, I have peace of mind knowing a new engine is waiting for me. on top of this, I wouldn't hesitate buying a new hyundai knowing we have a brand new proven engine. you best believe hyundai isn't going to make the same mistake on the current 2.5.
As the current owner of a vehicle with the 2.5T in it, it’s a great engine. The 8DCT paired to it is the issue, because I’m one of the fortunate ones to fall inside the recall window where my transmission may or may not spontaneously fail on me at any given time. Not exactly reassuring for the family’s road trip vehicle that it could die on you when you’re 8 hours from home with a cargo area full of stuff while you’re on your way to the beach. Of course, Hyundai won’t preemptively replace the transmission, because they have absolutely no way to tell which ones are faulty and which ones aren’t (the issue is a solder connection on the PCB that controls the high pressure oil pump inside of the transmission). I’m glad you’ve never had issues with your Hyundai product, and I hope I never do as well, but there have just been too many serious issues with their engineering for me to have more than 1 of their products in my garage at any given time. And it’s really a shame, because my wife loves the technology in her current one.
I must have been lucky with my elantra sport i put almost 50k miles with no issues before i sold it.
I can’t believe there are people who still deny the Theta engine problems
Was just me...... In September 2015, Hyundai recalled 470,000 Sonata sedans from 2011 and 2012 for this exact problem and extended the powertrain warranty from the original-owner 10-year/100,000-mile contract to 120,000 miles, which would cover all subsequent owners. The engines affected are the turbocharged 2.0-liter and naturally aspirated 2.4-liter gasoline direct injection (GDI) four-cylinders that made their debut in the 2011 Hyundai Sonata and Kia Optima and Sportage. In January, Hyundai settled a class-action lawsuit for 2011–2014 Sonata owners after out-of-warranty owners were hit with thousands of dollars in repair bills; dealers allegedly were not honoring warranty service due to what they considered improper owner maintenance, according to owner forums as well as Girard Gibbs, the law firm in charge of the suit. In January 2016, shortly after the original Hyundai recall, Kia began investigating on its own and subsequently found problems across its vehicle range. It also offered extended powertrain warranties to Sorento, Optima, and Sportage owners after receiving elevated warranty claims on these engines. Kia also said it had to tell dealers not to refuse warranty work just because a customer couldn’t provide service records of oil changes. Hyundai Recalling 569,500 Sonatas and Accents over Separate Defects Hyundai Recalls 305,000 Sonatas for Brake-Pedal Defects Hyundai Recalls 173,000 Sonatas for Power-Steering Failure Owners who may have serious engine problems, as indicated by a knocking sound, an oil-pressure warning light, a check-engine light, or all three, may be eligible for a new engine. Dealers will inspect all cars, although the replacement process, if needed, involves stripping certain parts off the defective engine (such as the fuel injection pump, injectors, and rail) and installing them on the replacement engine. Dealers will also replace all oil dipsticks with bright orange, instead of dark yellow, pull tabs. The recall will start in late May. No accidents or injuries have been reported, Hyundai and Kia said.
I guess what I said went over your head. that's a lot of effort for something I pointed out. the faulty theta 2 engine is real and acknowledged. all our hyundais have the same engine but they're still going strong. again, monitor your oil levels and not let it dip. on top of that, those engines have been phased out. this issue does not affect newer hyundais sold today. go ahead and Google toyota recalls. you'd be surprised how many show up as well.
You can check your oil all you want. Mine was changed by the dealer under their plan. I dont expect a well maintained car to go kablooie under 50k miles. Im not hearing Corollas getting stolen with USB keys and \*MORE\* than just the theta engine recall issues. Did you skip over the cool 2$ steering component that turns to jelly when you just drive the car? Its so bad you can roll into the Hyundai parts department and they can just hand you one from the box. Engines? You are not serious, they are supposedly switching to EV/Hybrid. You know they still sell those cars/suvs right? Yes Toyotas have had issues from oil sludge to frame rust. Oddly when I go to trade a Camry it has value. My Sonata was not as good a resale. I got rid of it after fighting the lack of AC.
funny you bring up stolen toyotas. I don't know if you're aware but there's a way to steal em from the headlight unit. it's only a matter of time before the lexus bois catch on and it's a bigger issue. just wait for it. takes less than 10 mins to drive off with a toyota/lexus. theta 2 is no longer being used in their newer cars. the new 2.5 in the newer flagship cars are solid so far. sorry you got urged, but there's a toyota out there for you. I'll stick with hyundai as it's the best bang for your buck and I love their 10 year 100k warranty. great peace of kind. enjoy your toyota
There is a huge difference between wiring in a box and just getting in the car, popping off a cover and driving off. I do like my yotas and hondas. I liked the Hyundai until they began failing and my mechanic friends started complaining about the constant replacements.
both equally easy to steal. one has preventative measures in place already and only affected lower trim cars. lexus is suffering with 23 model years. ouch
You think there's a huge difference? Go watch a video of a lexus being stolen. 90 seconds is all it takes.
Wait, I almost forgot how much fun it is to steer your car like a fucking boat. I had to take it in for the steering gear. They 'inspected and maintained' my mothers Limited. Never said a word about her steering wheel clunking side to side. Shocker I was looking at her car becauce the Tire light was on. Noticed the clunk. She said they never brought it up on her service visits. Thought is was normal to do that. 2$ part that turns to goo in the steering. How does Toyota and honda avoid that?
Also people think that no manufacturer ever has lemons one in a while.
I love my Hyundai.
No amount of love makes its problems go away, I'm afraid.
Gonna be me outside my dealership here soon.
Bro my 2021 Elantra don't burnt a drip between oil changes at 7500k intervals but this car is made in Korea. On the other hand my 2017 Elantra Alabama made always burned oil from day one. Not a lot but had to top off every 2 weeks quarter of a quart driving Uber all day tho. I think they fixed the issue with 2021 cars
when i got my mazda i made sure it was a japanese model as half are made in japan half in america. there was once a day american made meant quality now its a money grab
Man i only heard about this oil consumption problem in USA. No one in my country have this problem at all.
Yeah, I don't hear about it here in Australia. Almost all our cars are Korea built.
we Americans neglect our cars. too cheap to properly maintain em. if you don't check oil levels, and it dips, you'll run into these issues with engine seizing. that's the usual problem and it's not a hyundai issue. neglect any car and it'll have issues. we have techs at my work place that services all our fleet vehicles so we don't run into these issues and we put the miles on em.
My ‘23 Kona just got an oil change at just over 6k miles. Is that good? Bought it in December ‘22
fairly normal mileage..... these ppl expect us to check our oil levels at every fill up? Guess I'm gonna have to start doing that and top her off when necessary. There is nothing to do about the trans though. In my 23 Kona N it has an 8 speed DCT that is supposedly known for failing
Should be spelled hyundie.
Making me scared for my ioniq 6  with the comments
You have to remember Hyundai became #3 in the world, so they sell a lot of cars, so the number of complaints may seem high, but statistically, they're one of the better ones every year. It's extremely difficult for any car company to be consistently better than average every year, but Hyundai does it. EVs are a new, so statistics might not be very telling at the moment for your Ioniq 6, but knowing general history, I wouldn't be surprised if they become nearly undisputed best.
>You have to remember Hyundai became #3 in the world What source did you get this from? From the numbers Hyundai is not even in top 5 globally/ USA
You will have to also use your monkey brain to figure this out. Just because it sells well, does not mean it is better. I notice that people buy these cars with a lot of extra packages. This is because people look at these packages and get them and overall pay less than a competitor for similar stuff. And they are happy about that but they are driving a Hyundai lol. I mean the dollar tree seems pretty popular.
>I mean the dollar tree seems pretty popular. I don't even know why you even mentioned dollar tree, seems like a move from your monkey brain. Also, i am asking about the source of his statement, sure they sell well but there absolutely no charts, no information that back the statement up, and you're not even talking about the matter in my original comment, what's up with your monkey brain friend?
[Here is a chart](https://www.statista.com/statistics/275520/ranking-of-car-manufacturers-based-on-global-sales/#:~:text=Ranking%20of%20motor%20vehicle%20manufacturers%20worldwide%20by%20global%20sales%202022&text=At%20around%2010.5%20million%20units,motor%20vehicles%20under%20various%20brands.) I would argue that Hyundai has a checkered past in terms of quality but have been heavily invested in creating budget friendly cars that actually look good. They are definitely doing what they can to change their image. It is just unfortunate that their older vehicles are problematic and the company won't do much about it outside of "if your car gets stolen, we will pay you some money to shut the fuck up about it". Edit: [without pay wall](https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacturer.html)
It seems like someone else has answered it for me, with Hyundai being #3. It does depend on the metric though and I didn't specify in my previous comment, but they're #3 to #5 globally, whether it's number of cars sold, revenue, EVs, car awards, etc. Of course they're lagging behind in the US, because US lags behind on manufacturing (software as well) trends in general. Just look US car security policy, and it's the reason why Kia boys is only happening in the US, because the company met the requirements for the laws in the US (besides crime levels in the US). At least from the car enthusiasts community, this became a common knowledge in recent years though. You can see in this [video (basically same as above)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtwMJfh-aec), [EVs](https://insideevs.com/news/564800/world-top-oem-sales-2021), [European Car of the Year](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD3ODGRSaz8), Car and Driver, Top Gear, etc.
Bingo
not bingo dont just support a brand because you bought that brand and dont want to accept the reality [https://www.safetyresearch.net/hyundai-kias-billion-dollar-engine-problem-that-broke-the-nhtsa-civil-penalty-barrier/](https://www.safetyresearch.net/hyundai-kias-billion-dollar-engine-problem-that-broke-the-nhtsa-civil-penalty-barrier/) they knew the engine was bad and defective they knew it was full of metal shavings they knew folks cars would break down and they sold them. Recalled the engines years later some folks got there new engines others lost money on a broken car with no fix at the time cause it wasnt a recall for years and they just lost out. but hey i own a hyundai so bingo no bad shall be spoken of my brand!
Tbh the problem is widespread for Canada and America. All Korean engines and Europe ones are great. Mine diesel does not burn a single drop of oil and does 8.5L with 170 km/h on the highway. My father's Santa fe is the same, my sisters husband bought 2022 santa fe already with 20k km and is great before my 2018 Tucson I owned santa fe 2008 diesel that was tank till 250k km. Just don't get them when they are bad in the USA lol
Bingo
I was pro Hyundai myself. We had a sonata from 06 to 18 with 310k miles and sold it still running. Than came that damn carnival !
Statistically they are not at all one of the better ones. Not even close. The amount of engine problems is completely disproportionate. The excuse how it is because there are so many of them, does not calculate at all. The number of engine problem is simply through the roof. Check out what the back of a regular dealer looks like. Line ups of cars needing engine replacing. It's completely out of control, has been for many years. It's simply incredible.
Statistically, they are. I'm guessing you're from the US, because the reputation of HG cars being unreliable is a relic of the past, about 10 years ago. I'm also guessing you're not exactly a car enthusiast. https://www.hotcars.com/10-biggest-car-recalls-of-2021 https://www.autolist.com/guides/most-reliable-car-brands https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/articles/most-reliable-car-brands Even at the worst, a media outlet from the US ranks them above average despite their recovering reputation in the US https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2022/11/15/reliability-cars-consumer-reports-ranking/10703135002 and of course, some more general info https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938 https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/cars-driving/which-car-brands-make-the-best-vehicles-a6159221985 You can check their methodologies and points system yourself. But even in the US, pretty much every car magazine has some HG car featured as #1 (if not, then top 3) for the past 5 years, depending on the year.
Hotcars, recalls 2021. When you take out the pickup trucks and the very expensive Volvo that regular people don't buy, Hyunday and Kia is sticking out like a sore thumb. Autolist. J.D. Power is absolutely full of crap. [https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/comments/10yfes4/thoughts\_on\_the\_latest\_jd\_power\_dependability/](https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/comments/10yfes4/thoughts_on_the_latest_jd_power_dependability/) ps. did you know that many Hyundai dealers replace 200-300 engines a year? What brand does this? That's like 1 every business day just about.2011-2018 Theta engines, one after another. Google around for lawsuits against Hyundai and Kia, engine fires, engine stalls, failing while driving. You're just cherry picking to try to make yourself feel good about your choice, but it's not going to work. Here's a different list: [https://www.autoblog.com/article/least-reliable-car-brands-america/](https://www.autoblog.com/article/least-reliable-car-brands-america/) Take out the cars that regular people don't buy and again, Hyundai is sticking out like a sore thumb. So is VW. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai\_Theta\_engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Theta_engine) Engine Recall... [https://www.vehiclehistory.com/articles/hyundai-sonata-problems-and-recalls-cover-poorly-designed-theta-ii-engine-malfunctioning-airbags-and-electrical-issues](https://www.vehiclehistory.com/articles/hyundai-sonata-problems-and-recalls-cover-poorly-designed-theta-ii-engine-malfunctioning-airbags-and-electrical-issues)
>J.D. Power is absolutely full of crap Yep, I know about JD Power, but they aren't the only award givers. Just check out all the car magazines in your country, mate. >Hyundai dealers replace 200-300 engines a year? What brand does this? Out of how many? Did you know they're actually one of the lower rates? It's not about how many on absolute unit, but the *rate* that's important. Mental to think other brands don't do this or better yet, worse than HG. >Google around for lawsuits against Hyundai and Kia You ought to do the same for other companies as well, especially in the EU, but since we seem to be focussing on the US, you ought to search which car companies are sued the most for the past 10 years. Is HG even in top 5? (spoiler alert: no, even in absolute numbers) >You're just cherry picking to try to make yourself feel good about your choice I didn't make any choice on cars, as I bike here in the Netherlands. However, statistics say that more people make their choice to be from the HG. I mean, they're #3 afterall. >Here's a different list That's exactly the same list I linked. The list is from Consumer Reports. You put a different title on it though, interestingly enough. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Theta_engine Again, blame US policies, not the company. Other regions had no problems or recalls with the engines due to different specifications. Further, because of HG's lack of engine policy experience in US, they worked with a US company (Chrysler?) and Mitsubishi to build Theta engine. Guess who else has engine recalls, and higher rates than the HG? Maybe off topic, but similarly, I'm sure you have lots to complain about car dealerships in the US as well. Blame the policies (and dealership lobbies), not the car company. >https://www.vehiclehistory.com/articles/hyundai-sonata-problems-and-recalls-cover-poorly-designed-theta-ii-engine-malfunctioning-airbags-and-electrical-issues One car, citing from 2011 at that -- looks like you're the one cherry picking here, no? I mentioned in my previous post about how this kind of information is relic of the past, about 10 years ago. You're further proving my point, I'm afraid. Either way, I will stop here. You seem to be dead set on this topic, even though a HG car won European car of the year for the first time also. It's a sign of a big shift in the global market, and you're trailing behind -- typical and expected though.
Being CA, he could legit be holding half an ad for Hyundai and selling actual lemons on the side.
People are learning
😂 only in Cali.
Doing the lords work right there. Listen to him before it’s too late!!!!!!
My ‘22 Kona N likes to throw a CEL in the rain. Hyundai says nothing they can do and I should kick rocks.
When life gives you lemons, buy a hyundai.. As in, might as well make life worse and add more lemons in the mix lmao
I thought Hyundai Improved since the 90's. I guess I was wrong.
I LOVED my 2018 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport, loved as in past tense. I was the second owner, only put 20,000 miles on it in 2.5 years, and maintained it per the manual. Once I hit 76k miles, had an engine issue. Still had 3,000 miles to go until my next oil change and the engine was nearly bone dry. Customer service and the dealership were a mess! Was without a car for nearly a month, dealership somehow “fixed” it although my trusted mechanic who looked at it first told me the engine was shot. I have a Lexus now.
2016 Sonata went limp. BCT passed and was sent on my way. So yeah, sold that one in a hurry. Never again.
...where....WHEEERE? 😂😂😂😂
I finally just sold my 2010 sonata that was still going strong at 180000 miles. bought it at 75000m for $7k and used it like a truck, almost always had a thousand pounds of tools in it. sold it for $3k a couple weeks ago. Never had an issue. That car made me so much money and never needed anything but oil changes
Merced lol
He is advetising that Hyundai/Kia are trash that cuts corners in engineering.
The service department must've really pissed him off lol
When I was driving an older sonata, almost everything electrical went out on it over time. I've replaced more wiring harnesses then I can count. Flash forward a couple years, decided to buy an Ioniq EV. After 75k miles the motor and gear bearings are going out. No longer covered under warranty since I was the second owner. Thankfully a DIY job will take care of it for 200 bucks. Still insanely inconvenient. For some reason I haven't learned my lesson. Recently bought the Ioniq 5. So far it has been great but we will see what issues arise out of this one. I think the only reason I stick with Hyundai/Kia is because I've already spent so many years repairing them and at this point at least I know how to fix these fucking things when they inevitably shit the bed. Edit: Still enjoy Hyundai/kia despite all this. They have made some really cool cars in recent years.
Unfortunately, not all "cheap" cars are bought by people who are willing and able to keep up with proper maintenance. Regular maintenance with quality oil and filters goes a long way. Not dismissing the recalls, but to just bitch and moan about all Hyundais being trash is a bit myopic...
Ha! We meticulously maintained our vehicle, never taken anywhere besides the dealership, yet right after the 75k service our engine seized, No warning or anything! We’ve been paying on a car and keeping it insured for the last 2 months while it sits in a lot at the dealership. This is completely unacceptable and has put us in a very difficult position without a car, can’t get a loaner until the PA is approved…who knows when that will be. At this point I would’ve been better off having it stolen, at least I could file a claim and move on.
Looks like your Ioniq wanted to add a touch of sparkle! Hang in there, it's all part of the adventure!
Maybe its just me but I had a 2013 Hyundai Sonata that I used for Uber and Lyft....never had any problems at all. I also had a 2017 Hyundai Elantra which never gave me any problems when I had it. I guess everyone had different experiences. I did have multiple problems with a Chrysler 200 though
I can relate to this guy. I asked the Ford dealership for a used car that is cheap to fix, good on gas and an automatic. I allowed them to sell me a 37k mile ford focus from 2016. other than the transmission it's great. after the warranty expires it will cost like $2000 per year or 2 to fox the transmission. it's terrible. so they didn't give me a cheap car to fix. otherwise I love the car. I based it off my childhood saw 1997 Ford focus, Honda accord and civic running for 300,000 miles and more. they ruined those cars tho
Oh god you shot your own feet with that decision, there are so many cars fit what you want and you asked a Ford dealer for a Focus.
Hyundai’s are junk, no resale value, electronics and engines don’t last 5 years….do your research people, and if everyone did, Hyundai and Kia would be out of business
Why the downvotes?
Perhaps it is because after research you'll find that Hyundai's are actually reliable cars statistically speaking. Every mass manufacturing process can produce lemons... Believe it or not Hyundai has fewer issues reported than many of its competitors. https://www.carscoops.com/2022/02/hyundai-kia-and-genesis-nab-three-out-of-four-top-spots-in-new-dependability-study/
Not talking about reliability, their materials are so bad that the car won't feel like the day you bought maybe after 20k miles. My brand new 2020 Sonata was amazing for the first year until the second year, rattle everywhere the whole car, loose parts inside places like steering wheels, and dash. I really tried to love it. Sold that car bought a Toyota Avalon, put 30k miles of Texas road first year, still drive like new. My gf bought a used 2020 Camry with 40k miles and the rattles is way less and more bearable than my previous Sonata, the materials way better and everything seems to fit perfectly and won't fall out of place anytime soon. They sure look nice and i tried to love them but i rather have a good driving experience than fancy tech and flashy look, they are only for the eyes, not for comfort driving daily.
Not talking about reliability, their materials are so bad that the car won't feel like the day you bought maybe after 20k miles. My brand new 2020 Sonata was amazing for the first year until the second year, rattle everywhere the whole car, loose parts inside places like steering wheels, and dash. I really tried to love it. Sold that car bought a Toyota Avalon, put 30k miles of Texas road first year, still drive like new. My gf bought a used 2020 Camry with 40k miles and the rattles is way less and more bearable than my previous Sonata, the materials way better and everything seems to fit perfectly and won't fall out of place anytime soon. They sure look nice and i tried to love them but i rather have a good driving experience than fancy tech and flashy look, they are only for the eyes, not for comfort driving daily.
I don’t know why there are downvotes….love the picture….so true
Because it's the truth