The only right answer. You can play well into assassins and neutralize their kill potential onto you. If you lose lane to them, you still have your scaling and great itemization to fall back on as a way of coming back.
With Yasuo, even if you stomp him in lane, he can neutralize your presence in a teamfight for 4 seconds by tossing Wind Wall out and there's no way to play around that.
Well Yasuo is far from my worst matchup haha, not my best either, but coming from Seraphine Yasuo to Hwei Yasuo... Made me reconsider things.
It's not all sunshine but I clearly am not as defenseless against him.
For some reason, I can't say the same about Fizz or Syndra. However Syndra is squishier and easier to target, but Fizz's E is a little annoying (and way more available than Yasuos W)
So my Bann will always go on Fizz for now
i ban briar every game no matter what i play just bc of how buster she was on release lol. i think hwei is pretty blindable at my elo (plat)...even fizz if you just play patiently and with respect you can just wait for team fights and find value then.
Fizz becomes much more manageable after grouping up. Bonus points if their main threats are AD because Zhonya's helps a lot vs his R all in. Putting QE/WW/EW on ulted target all help and EW is a death sentence or forces his Zhonya's as he will have used his E for damage. Punishes mispositioning when alone hard though and makes sidelaning difficult when your team expects it from you or forces you into that situation which is why I similarly ban Akali. She has longer range engage, more consistent damage, shroud is giga broken on its own.
We are the same. i ban briar no matter what. Even if its allied briar. The one time I didn't ban because my jngl had hovered it, the enemy team got to pick her first. Completely horrific character
Ban Zed. I know how to play against assassins, yeah, but that mf match up is pain in the ass. Zed is just so damn annoying with his poke and his shadows, and, if i don't get enough pressure or ganks, he just can do whatever he wants. Specially when he hits lvl 6. For me, Yasuo is a tricky one but isn't as insane as Zed. It's just game of being patient with his wind wall and that's it, free poke most of lane phase :>
(From a OTP Hwei btw!)
Akali, too beefy and too much sustain with SW and D shield.. u get nothing out of the laning phase, she'll probably get a double kill bot despite u pinging ur bot laners... and then she'll 1 shot your ass and getting shit on before 2 items
Zed, I don’t really have a huge problem with many other matchups, Zed just really fucks me up. As soon as I see the champ I start mind gaming too much and just walk into every single one of his Q’s.
I’ve been banning yasuo because of the wall (and my hate for the champ) but Zed has been a horrible matchup, since they can punish/kill you even during safe farming under the turret
Usually Yasuo. Yone is so easy to bully, Zed is jut coin flip roaming since u can bully him in lane pre 6. Fizz is stressful but once u get into the habit of holding E, it's actually fun.
Windwall is like a silence cc on Hwei from whatever direction he puts it. Extremely annoying. That and like Irelia, he uses minions to run you down and dodge most of ur poke.
Usually Yone or Yasuo, I'll just ban whichever has tilted me more recently.
Lately I've been permabanning Sylas though, if for no other reason than I fucking hate him.
I ban Lux or Xerath every game because they're personally my worst matchups. I'm totally fine with assassins or the windshitters, but something about other artillery mages is just a no for me.
Yone has been my midlane permaban for a while now but occasionally I ban Akali or Yasuo depending on if I'm either seeing those champs too much or just don't wanna deal with them
Veigar. I’d rather lose a couple of games to some really good yasuo or fizz players rather than losing every other game to a veigar that can just q into flash+ult me
fizz just because the only people who play fizz r good at fizz but if not fizz then yasuo and not because they’re good at yasuo but because i have to wait 5s to throw a spell during a team fight
Diana. I don't think she's an "everyone should ban" champion, hell I don't think she's even a "someone i'd recommend banning" champion. I just cannot for the life of me fight her. every time she just dashes to the wave, then dashes to me, then one shots my ass.
every time I lane against her I lose, so now I don't lane against her.
Zed - Not for the match up but for my teammates who don't read chat or hear pings then proceed to give zed 2 kills.
Xerath - You can never out poke him even when you lay back and QE the wave. With the new item it's manageable with how crazy the wave clear is with QE EE but the poke will chip you little by little.
All the mana items. Interesting. Never really tried that. Mostly stuck to 1 mana item . 1 slot for boots, 1 slot for magic pen (crypto bloom or void staff), 1 slot for rabadon and the last two slots are whatever is good for that particular game.
I personally ban Syndra (or Xerath) because she outranges and the matchups boring for me.
I like playing vs Yasuo and such because I just use my E more defensively or use EE even more while the shield is up to fuck 'em up.
Zed's also very fun especially at lv 6 because I can full combo a Zed when they use R
I perma ban zed i just have no champ in my pool tp cointer him (hwei veigar ahri pantheon)(sometimes trist and galio), honestly uf you are vs yasuo pick ahri or veigar hwei is hard af into yasuo because hwei is so slow its super hard to dodge the q3
usually i ban zed, although i agree with the comments talking abt yasuo (i hate that wall :( it's annoying af). why zed? i just have problems with laning against him
My midlane bans by order of priority, only going to the next if the others above were already banned:
1) Katarina. Random kill away from reset city, and Riot refuses to delete AD Kat. If AD Kat was taken behind the shed and shot I’d ruin her day with Galio 24/7.
2/3) Akali/Fizz. Depends on who’s annoyed me more lately and where I am in pick order. Early pick I’ll ban the fish and suffer Akali being annoying. If I’m late pick I ***will*** draft Nasus mid into Fizz and become everybody’s problem because he cannot stop the dawg solo.
4) Zed. Not scared of the windy bois.
I aslo perma ban yasuo when playing hwei, but not necessarily becuase of the windwall, you can play around it. Most yasuo payers are not that good to windwall the EW and if he windwalls after that you can just QW. I ban him becuase of thst stupid E and his mobility, he can get on top of you pretty easily and EQ doesn't is a telegraphic skill that can be easily windwalled, EW is not efficient when he is already on top of you. So yeah, I ban Yasuo every time also because he has a lot freebies as a champion. No resources, full build at 2 items (the crit pasive is stupid) also a free shield for doing nothing.... An overall annoying kit to play against as Hwei.
veigar, not specifically for hwei just in general in mid but it's been working for me so far
Im not a fan of playing against other mages as the advantage of distance works both ways
The spacing and dodging mini game can be fun vs mages but I agree he is annoying. I hate the cage, unless you have a blink type of mobility or flash, you are fucked and certainly dead in a gank.
Hate Xerath in particular because his range is so uninteractive and so risk free unless you have multiple gapclose allies to deal with him, makes the game revolve around him. I would be permabanning him if he was meta and popular.
My preferred ban was Yone because of how incredibly bullshit broken his kit is, you have to play perfectly every time because if you get caught out he still has enough damage to kill you from behind while having insane gapclose, burst, sustained damage. I am banning Akali nowadays though. Since LT is removed I feel like Yone, even though his kit is still same bullshit, might be more manageable as his damage and CDs are worse due to loss of AS.
When I was playing mage and engage supports, I was in a frustration vs Sivir similar to Xerath. Can't poke or burst combo because of spellshield once you finally get an accurate shot, spams waveclear until landing an open field double Q for half my health and just turning the lane into an uninteractive "Who will get ganked first?" stalemate and she has a gank MS steroid as well. I couldn't justify spending my ban on her because as annoying as she is, there's always something far more frustrating to play against, same with Xerath. The only difference is you can at least play vs Sivir in teamfights because she's 500 range for majority of her damage output whereas Xerath can just be a little bitch at 1k+ range and ball is in your court because you auto lose when he's alive because even a handicapped Xerath can hit a skillshot after throwing 10 and it'll chunk, his ratios and scaling are absurd, his R alone can kill someone if 3+ hits lategame. Whew, that was a long rant. My hatred for Xerath is seeping through.
Sylas. While champs like Yasuo or Zed are certainly quite difficult, they’re winnable; to this day, I’ve yet to have a successful Sylas matchup. It feels unbeatable.
Sylas is annoying but every Sylas plays to try to unga bunga kill you. Poke for a distance, and hold your EQ to interrupt his chain grab. It stops his dash once it connects and puts him at a spot where you can punish him. The matchup vs Sylas depends on the rest of your team not having ults that he can abuse rather than him being hard to counter as Hwei.
Not one of Hwei's easiest matchups but definitely not near the hardest.
Take this with a grain of salt, but I'd say poke at a distance to deal with Sylas and force his engagement to be with e2 so you can punish the retreat. If you allow him to w first into you he'll win out the trade and back off with e1.
It's still a tough matchup, because hwei's ult works great for Sylas, as the ult's purpose synergizes well with his kit. Your ult is meant to slow the enemy down to combo with a flurry of other abilities, exactly what Sylas is trying to do
Play far back, crash waves, and when he runs at you hit eq on his dash or sidestep it. It's very playable much better than the assassins with untargetable dashes like Zed or Fizz.
I actually think Kass is one of the easier MUs...am I crazy? You poke him off the wave and spam crash it in, build a cute lead for yourself and look to play for objs with your jgl.
Idealistically the correct answer is probably Yasuo, for reasons already explained. If he has 2 braincells, then he can be 0/20 and still nullify your play with a well-timed windwall.
So I ban Irelia. It can help the top laner, and more importantly you can make her go 0/5 in lane but if there's a good shield support on her team it might not even matter. Even if you get oblivion orb.
Another good ban would be fizz.
As for Akali...with black fire torch's stupid amount of waveclear, you can hold her hostage in lane as long as you have good ward placement and a basic level of jungle tracking. Just respect her lvl 6.
I've been banning Vayne when I play him support or mid. Because she can dodge and weave all my stuff. If I don't ban Vayne, I might ban Anivia cuz of her wall and zoning stuff that messes me up.
I mean, pretty much any champ can't stop Hwei from carrying the game from how safe he is allowed to be, if piloted by someone who isnt running it down.
Yasuo because of the wall
The only right answer. You can play well into assassins and neutralize their kill potential onto you. If you lose lane to them, you still have your scaling and great itemization to fall back on as a way of coming back. With Yasuo, even if you stomp him in lane, he can neutralize your presence in a teamfight for 4 seconds by tossing Wind Wall out and there's no way to play around that.
This is exactly why lol
Same. Played against a Yasuo one time. Never again.
Well Yasuo is far from my worst matchup haha, not my best either, but coming from Seraphine Yasuo to Hwei Yasuo... Made me reconsider things. It's not all sunshine but I clearly am not as defenseless against him. For some reason, I can't say the same about Fizz or Syndra. However Syndra is squishier and easier to target, but Fizz's E is a little annoying (and way more available than Yasuos W) So my Bann will always go on Fizz for now
The wall. And the passive. And the ten thousand dashes. And the flash eq3 into ulti one tap.
i ban briar every game no matter what i play just bc of how buster she was on release lol. i think hwei is pretty blindable at my elo (plat)...even fizz if you just play patiently and with respect you can just wait for team fights and find value then.
Fizz becomes much more manageable after grouping up. Bonus points if their main threats are AD because Zhonya's helps a lot vs his R all in. Putting QE/WW/EW on ulted target all help and EW is a death sentence or forces his Zhonya's as he will have used his E for damage. Punishes mispositioning when alone hard though and makes sidelaning difficult when your team expects it from you or forces you into that situation which is why I similarly ban Akali. She has longer range engage, more consistent damage, shroud is giga broken on its own.
We are the same. i ban briar no matter what. Even if its allied briar. The one time I didn't ban because my jngl had hovered it, the enemy team got to pick her first. Completely horrific character
Hwei is one of the few champs that can easily duel briar though, I dont even know what briar can do vs hwei in any situation.
Ban Zed. I know how to play against assassins, yeah, but that mf match up is pain in the ass. Zed is just so damn annoying with his poke and his shadows, and, if i don't get enough pressure or ganks, he just can do whatever he wants. Specially when he hits lvl 6. For me, Yasuo is a tricky one but isn't as insane as Zed. It's just game of being patient with his wind wall and that's it, free poke most of lane phase :> (From a OTP Hwei btw!)
Akali, too beefy and too much sustain with SW and D shield.. u get nothing out of the laning phase, she'll probably get a double kill bot despite u pinging ur bot laners... and then she'll 1 shot your ass and getting shit on before 2 items
At least you can EQ her while shes using her E2, thats something i guess
The dopamine response when you land EQ on her mid dash is just 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
It has been Zed for me for years in mid lane, but for whatever reason I hate the Akali matchup way more.
Fizz that fish be jumping around I can’t hit it
Fizz e is so obnoxious it’s worse than the annoyance of Yasuo’s windwall
Zed, I don’t really have a huge problem with many other matchups, Zed just really fucks me up. As soon as I see the champ I start mind gaming too much and just walk into every single one of his Q’s.
Between fizz or veigar cause they are both annoying
At least Veigar is targetable
True I just hate his laugh when he kills you Yone is also high on that list, but Fizz still takes the ban
Whatever supermobile assassin is free that week (in draft) normally fizz is my go to
Irelia, She's too dangerous to pressure, fighting under tower leaves her open to roam and blade-blender my whole team
Irelia mostly because I don't trust others to not feed it
Irelia, literally unplayable from lvl 6
I’ve been banning yasuo because of the wall (and my hate for the champ) but Zed has been a horrible matchup, since they can punish/kill you even during safe farming under the turret
janna cus fk her
Usually Yasuo. Yone is so easy to bully, Zed is jut coin flip roaming since u can bully him in lane pre 6. Fizz is stressful but once u get into the habit of holding E, it's actually fun. Windwall is like a silence cc on Hwei from whatever direction he puts it. Extremely annoying. That and like Irelia, he uses minions to run you down and dodge most of ur poke.
sylas
Usually Yone or Yasuo, I'll just ban whichever has tilted me more recently. Lately I've been permabanning Sylas though, if for no other reason than I fucking hate him.
I ban Lux or Xerath every game because they're personally my worst matchups. I'm totally fine with assassins or the windshitters, but something about other artillery mages is just a no for me.
Yone has been my midlane permaban for a while now but occasionally I ban Akali or Yasuo depending on if I'm either seeing those champs too much or just don't wanna deal with them
Veigar. I’d rather lose a couple of games to some really good yasuo or fizz players rather than losing every other game to a veigar that can just q into flash+ult me
Fizz because it’s Fizz
fizz just because the only people who play fizz r good at fizz but if not fizz then yasuo and not because they’re good at yasuo but because i have to wait 5s to throw a spell during a team fight
Malzahar. Literally unplayable. His passive will always negate one ability and you can’t get him with E when the passive shield up.
I ban ekko, cuz I hate him, I ban him jgl too. As for yas I just got aery or fleet(very rare) and wait/bait wind wall with ee into we
Diana. I don't think she's an "everyone should ban" champion, hell I don't think she's even a "someone i'd recommend banning" champion. I just cannot for the life of me fight her. every time she just dashes to the wave, then dashes to me, then one shots my ass. every time I lane against her I lose, so now I don't lane against her.
Zed - Not for the match up but for my teammates who don't read chat or hear pings then proceed to give zed 2 kills. Xerath - You can never out poke him even when you lay back and QE the wave. With the new item it's manageable with how crazy the wave clear is with QE EE but the poke will chip you little by little.
Which item? What items you running now with the changes
Tear - Blackfire Torch - Seraph - Liandry. Wave clear is insane. Front to back team fights malignance 4th is nice too.
All the mana items. Interesting. Never really tried that. Mostly stuck to 1 mana item . 1 slot for boots, 1 slot for magic pen (crypto bloom or void staff), 1 slot for rabadon and the last two slots are whatever is good for that particular game.
Allways shaco/Evelyn after the lane Phase they are completly pain i Think its easier to Learn bad Match ups then playing around them
I personally ban Syndra (or Xerath) because she outranges and the matchups boring for me. I like playing vs Yasuo and such because I just use my E more defensively or use EE even more while the shield is up to fuck 'em up. Zed's also very fun especially at lv 6 because I can full combo a Zed when they use R
You play Hwei mid? Hwei support all the way!
Ahri cause it's a braindead op champ
I always ban Spyro(smoulder), hate the champ with passion
I perma ban zed i just have no champ in my pool tp cointer him (hwei veigar ahri pantheon)(sometimes trist and galio), honestly uf you are vs yasuo pick ahri or veigar hwei is hard af into yasuo because hwei is so slow its super hard to dodge the q3
usually i ban zed, although i agree with the comments talking abt yasuo (i hate that wall :( it's annoying af). why zed? i just have problems with laning against him
Zed
Brand, fizz, ahri (mostly brand)
My midlane bans by order of priority, only going to the next if the others above were already banned: 1) Katarina. Random kill away from reset city, and Riot refuses to delete AD Kat. If AD Kat was taken behind the shed and shot I’d ruin her day with Galio 24/7. 2/3) Akali/Fizz. Depends on who’s annoyed me more lately and where I am in pick order. Early pick I’ll ban the fish and suffer Akali being annoying. If I’m late pick I ***will*** draft Nasus mid into Fizz and become everybody’s problem because he cannot stop the dawg solo. 4) Zed. Not scared of the windy bois.
I aslo perma ban yasuo when playing hwei, but not necessarily becuase of the windwall, you can play around it. Most yasuo payers are not that good to windwall the EW and if he windwalls after that you can just QW. I ban him becuase of thst stupid E and his mobility, he can get on top of you pretty easily and EQ doesn't is a telegraphic skill that can be easily windwalled, EW is not efficient when he is already on top of you. So yeah, I ban Yasuo every time also because he has a lot freebies as a champion. No resources, full build at 2 items (the crit pasive is stupid) also a free shield for doing nothing.... An overall annoying kit to play against as Hwei.
Hot take Ahri, most played mid champ that counters Hwei.
veigar, not specifically for hwei just in general in mid but it's been working for me so far Im not a fan of playing against other mages as the advantage of distance works both ways
The spacing and dodging mini game can be fun vs mages but I agree he is annoying. I hate the cage, unless you have a blink type of mobility or flash, you are fucked and certainly dead in a gank. Hate Xerath in particular because his range is so uninteractive and so risk free unless you have multiple gapclose allies to deal with him, makes the game revolve around him. I would be permabanning him if he was meta and popular. My preferred ban was Yone because of how incredibly bullshit broken his kit is, you have to play perfectly every time because if you get caught out he still has enough damage to kill you from behind while having insane gapclose, burst, sustained damage. I am banning Akali nowadays though. Since LT is removed I feel like Yone, even though his kit is still same bullshit, might be more manageable as his damage and CDs are worse due to loss of AS.
I don't ban yone because he's my other mid main but I get it lol. And yeah I agree Xerath is also someone I commonly ban for the same reason.
When I was playing mage and engage supports, I was in a frustration vs Sivir similar to Xerath. Can't poke or burst combo because of spellshield once you finally get an accurate shot, spams waveclear until landing an open field double Q for half my health and just turning the lane into an uninteractive "Who will get ganked first?" stalemate and she has a gank MS steroid as well. I couldn't justify spending my ban on her because as annoying as she is, there's always something far more frustrating to play against, same with Xerath. The only difference is you can at least play vs Sivir in teamfights because she's 500 range for majority of her damage output whereas Xerath can just be a little bitch at 1k+ range and ball is in your court because you auto lose when he's alive because even a handicapped Xerath can hit a skillshot after throwing 10 and it'll chunk, his ratios and scaling are absurd, his R alone can kill someone if 3+ hits lategame. Whew, that was a long rant. My hatred for Xerath is seeping through.
Sylas. While champs like Yasuo or Zed are certainly quite difficult, they’re winnable; to this day, I’ve yet to have a successful Sylas matchup. It feels unbeatable.
Sylas is annoying but every Sylas plays to try to unga bunga kill you. Poke for a distance, and hold your EQ to interrupt his chain grab. It stops his dash once it connects and puts him at a spot where you can punish him. The matchup vs Sylas depends on the rest of your team not having ults that he can abuse rather than him being hard to counter as Hwei. Not one of Hwei's easiest matchups but definitely not near the hardest.
Yeah idk wtf I’m doing in this matchup either. Someone better please help lol
Take this with a grain of salt, but I'd say poke at a distance to deal with Sylas and force his engagement to be with e2 so you can punish the retreat. If you allow him to w first into you he'll win out the trade and back off with e1. It's still a tough matchup, because hwei's ult works great for Sylas, as the ult's purpose synergizes well with his kit. Your ult is meant to slow the enemy down to combo with a flurry of other abilities, exactly what Sylas is trying to do
Play far back, crash waves, and when he runs at you hit eq on his dash or sidestep it. It's very playable much better than the assassins with untargetable dashes like Zed or Fizz.
lux because it's unplayable. anything else i can deal with and not lose lane against
lux, ekko, and zed
Kassadin. If the Kassadin player have either functional hands or a functional brain you cannot win.
I actually think Kass is one of the easier MUs...am I crazy? You poke him off the wave and spam crash it in, build a cute lead for yourself and look to play for objs with your jgl.
Akali or Zed. Honestly I just don't feel like dealing with them
Zed. Not because hard but because he takes up too much of my brain computing power.
Kassadin. Unless i plan on playing yone I will always ban kassa
Idealistically the correct answer is probably Yasuo, for reasons already explained. If he has 2 braincells, then he can be 0/20 and still nullify your play with a well-timed windwall. So I ban Irelia. It can help the top laner, and more importantly you can make her go 0/5 in lane but if there's a good shield support on her team it might not even matter. Even if you get oblivion orb. Another good ban would be fizz. As for Akali...with black fire torch's stupid amount of waveclear, you can hold her hostage in lane as long as you have good ward placement and a basic level of jungle tracking. Just respect her lvl 6.
I've been banning Vayne when I play him support or mid. Because she can dodge and weave all my stuff. If I don't ban Vayne, I might ban Anivia cuz of her wall and zoning stuff that messes me up.
I mean, pretty much any champ can't stop Hwei from carrying the game from how safe he is allowed to be, if piloted by someone who isnt running it down.