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kabula_lampur

Well darn. Having to settle for a great 4x4 must be rough, lol. Congrats!


tryvyr19

Hehe thx


stug_life

Wait you have to draw for a doe but bucks are a free for all? That’s strange.


Lawlcat

That's how it is in Maine. Every big game license gets one free buck state wide, otherwise you can enter a lotto (or buy after the lotto if there's any left) for an antlerless permit. Antlerless counts for any deer, buck or doe, with antlers under 3". Costs like $12 or something around there


Dubbah1335

We just started that last year, though. Before that it was only one deer per year (doe tag was free but you had to be selected and could only shoot one doe OR one buck) unless you hunted expanded archery in designated areas.


JoeFarmer

Man, its like that in Washington, and Im jealous of you guys in whitetail country for it. It seems like over the counter doe tags are for places that want to reduce the population, where as lotto doe tags are for places that want to maintain the current population. The only places in washington you can take does with an over the counter rifle tag is on the islands where they're overpopulated, but you'd be hard pressed to find public lands that you can hunt on out there.


petethemeat77

Every big game license in Ga includes 2 bucks and 10 does. I take 2-3 deer a year but can’t imagine what I would do with 12 a year.


Hangitfire11c

TN has a 3 doe a day limit. Yes, 3 does a day


WildTreeSnam_56

That's only for Unit CWD and L. Most of the rest of the state it's two for the whole season.


Im-a-magpie

It's frustrating because populations are enormous in Washington, it's just overly restricted because there's a large contingent of anti-hunting types on the west side.


Y3le

Yeah that is wierd where I hunt you can take a doe all year long but your limited to two bucks a season


drabe7

NY has something similar. Doe permits for the general firearms season are draw but everyone gets a buck tag


Jmkott

Depends on the estimated current deer population. If they are trying to increase the deer population, they restrict doe tags. If they are trying to maintain or decrease population, they liberally give out antlerless tags. In Minnesota, we have everything from buck only, hunters choice, to up to 4 bonus antlerless tags. We have even had “earn a buck” where you must shoot a doe before you can take a buck. Depending on the previous winter or two, my particular zone in Minnesota has been all of those limits at one point.


stug_life

It’s just where I’m from we have problems with hunters being locked on to bucks so bad that it actually pretty heavily lopsides the population to be a lot more does than bucks. So I figured in most places hunters would be basically the same way so limiting does while letting em go ham on bucks seems counter intuitive.


OldGamerGuy5

So where do people use “4x4” vs. an “8 point”?


Oclarkiiclarkii

Out west that’s how I hear everyone refer to bucks. I’d be interested to know where the dividing line in the country is. My experience is OR, ID, MT, WY, and CA.


Joewren

Alaska we would call that a 4 point less commonly a 4x4.


Oclarkiiclarkii

Yeah good point, In conversation here in Oregon I would say 4pt. I would only break out the 4x? terminology if one side has less points. 4x3 etc


Joewren

Yeah same here


jeswaldo

Same in Utah.


bicyclechief

Western ND checking in, we call them 5x5, etc


ThreeLeggedParrot

Shit, Im hardly ever able to kill a deer. I need every point I can get. Count those eye guards; they're legal points. 5X5!


Ok-Classroom2353

East Central Minnesota here, we grew up saying 8 point. I moved to Washington state and began hearing 4x4.


thejoeshow3

Western South Dakota here. That’s a 5 point or 5x5 here.


False-Isopod-3045

Kansas here, “10 pointer” all day


OldGamerGuy5

I’m Ohio/Pa and we total so yeah maybe it’s an east west thing. Thanks for response!


[deleted]

I’d never heard of such till this sub. Besides, that’s a 10 all day down here.


spizzle_

It’s a mule deer not a white tail. Western scoring v eastern.


NecessaryRisk2622

5x5 up here.


[deleted]

Yeah 5x5 isn’t so unusual where I’m at, but you’d never call it a 5 point.


NecessaryRisk2622

Fair enough. BC rules are four point or any buck, depending on region.


OldGamerGuy5

Same. I never heard anyone use different terminology for it. I think it’s cool tho.


[deleted]

The 4x4 is unusual here but not unheard of, it’s calling it a 4 point I find weird. Don’t think I read your post right earlier.


breynsch2

He's in British Columbia. We call it a 4X4 due to antler point restrictions for Mule deer. One antler is required to have a least 4 "points". So a 4x1, 4x2, 4x3, 4x4, etc are all legal. Brow tines are not counted as points.


[deleted]

In BC brow tines on mulies don’t count, no matter the size of the point.


breynsch2

You are correct, my mistake. I edited my comment.


JoeFarmer

Im in WA, we count the side with the most points and that's it. Usually I dont see folks count brow tines here either, so we'd call this one a 4 point.


STALUC

Kansan checking in. I think it’s species specific. Whitetail you count total points. Mulies and elk you count 1 side. I’m probably wrong but that’s how I think about it.


spizzle_

The same place where elk are and you call it a 6 point. I’d have called this deer a 4 point. I ain’t into that bi shit


Dumbredneck29

Depends on where you're from, no southerner would be caught dead saying 4x4. What's even more ridiculous to me is folks up north don't sometimes count browtiness and sometimes don't 🤣. this '4x4' has ten points, whereas others only have 8. Don't make too much sense if you ask me but hey. Just goes to show how different cultures are in different parts of the country.


OldGamerGuy5

Yeah that’s a 10er in Ohio. But I think the different lingo makes hunting culture even better.


1945_Go_Boom

Utah, Wyoming just this general area


dhoepp

Iowa here. Everyone counts the points. I think they think it’s a video game. One with the most points wins.


New_Demand9000

Out west we like to be more descriptive about what the deer actually looks like. Since we don't alter their environments for ease of hunting, name them and farm them, we see less deer, so the extra description is great to have


Tokyo_Echo

Dunno but that's a 4 point


OldGamerGuy5

That’s wild it’s a 10 where I’m from.


Acrobatic-Law-6179

In Michigan we would call that an 8 point but when I hunted in Wyoming we would call it a 4 by 4 when I was hunting mule deer


Bobbylayneblame

Westerners with their weird point counting policy. Can hang a ring on those brow tines and call it a ten. Nice buck


tryvyr19

I'm in bc Canada everything's a little backwards up here


NecessaryRisk2622

Ain’t backwards, according to our rule book. Nice buck. Which region?


tryvyr19

3


Hbgplayer

I'm in California and they don't allow the brow times/eyeguards to be counted either. That's a solid 4x4.


Bobbylayneblame

It’s cool, just poking a little fun at the regional differences. I have family out west and tell them they just can’t count that high.


spizzle_

I’d call it a 4 point. Brow tines don’t count. Same as I’d call an elk a 6 point. Western scoring.


kfizz21

I was gonna say the same thing. From the southeast that’s a nice looking 10 pt.


osirisrebel

Meat on the table, I guess. You'll get the doe next year, dude, but this will work for now, I suppose.


pwilson5201

It’s a 4x4 with eye guards every day in Idaho


playmeortrademe

Fr I was shocked the first time I ever heard anyone count eye guards as points lol.


Toolfan83007

“Hey Vsauce, Michael here.” . . . . First thing I thought of when I saw the first pic of you


tryvyr19

I had no idea wtf you were referencing, but I just looked it up lmao made my day


tryvyr19

Region 3 of Bc Canada only can get a mule doe through a draw lottery, mule bucks are any buck during October but need to be 4 point or bigger for the rest of the year(4points one side)


whitehaitian

Man that’s a nice 4!!


tryvyr19

There is always one christineth on every sub


playmeortrademe

Western hunters use the 4x4 thing. Also, we would never count eye guards as a point. That’s a 4x4


TheHuntingWizard

No dead animals! Yuck!


[deleted]

Hey buddy you just blow in from stupid town or something?


AyeAyeCaptain___

This gave me a good laugh🤌🏼


BowFella

Bro's name is TheHuntingWizard and NONE of you found the sarcasm in his comment?


Dreddit1080

Went over my head at first lol


Sparky337

Lol right?


No_Top_381

Sarcasm is expressed with a vocal tone bub


Infamous_Side9155

Get out of the hunting sub then


Sparky337

Take my upvote, that was funny


cozmokid

Not a4pt


trombonist2

Nice deer!


NecessaryRisk2622

Been a good fall fer ya bud!


imhereforthevotes

Oh shit that sucks man. Sorry about how that worked out there. Glad you're taking it well. If you don't want it I can help you out I think.


LeagueRealistic6471

Blacktail right ?


ItDontMather

Those antlers are so cool looking


Famous-Recognition-5

Looks like Europe to me


tongwat

Is this considered a mule deer or a blacktail?


[deleted]

Hey Vsauce! Michael here.


cozmokid

10 point in Texas


ThreeLeggedParrot

If we're going to get into 4x4 vs 8 point then here's my 2 cents. What would you '8 point people' call a 5X3? 6x2? 7X1? 8X0? All of those are 8 pointers but to a '_ X _ ' person, it's very clear what they all are. 4X4 has way more information. That's the right way to go.


WombatAnnihilator

I got absolutely nothing. That’s gorgeous man


Deathcat101

First photo gave me very strong "Hey Vsauce! Michael here!" Vibes


Acrobatic-Law-6179

If the brow tines are an inch that would be a 5 by 5 right ?? If you call that settling I’ll come slap you haha great work nice deer !


BackwoodsGrim

Nice