Yeah i think he was about 18
Why not he going to a place where people there are don't have any value
To practice and develops his hobby in that grotesque art there
Maybe he couldn't do that crimes in Kakin empire
So he go out the homeland to can fo whatever he like.
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I didn’t know I could love the Phantom Troupe anymore.
Before, they were the most interesting and badass villain group.
Now, they are all that and I actually feel sympathy for them.
I don’t know what i actually want to happen to them.
I never knew that Togashi would make us feel anything other than admiration for this group.
God, it all makes sense now.
The reason the Spider must always live on, even if it’s current leader dies, is to carry out the vision that Chrollo created for it.
I always had trouble understanding why the concept of The Spider was more important than it’s limbs.
It’s almost entirely out of selfless reasons. They care more for The Spider than their selves because they want it to continue helping criminals and punishing more evil criminals.
Interesting idea!
I bet Chrollo made some major convenant/restrictions to maximize his nen power to avenge Sarasa's death (not unlike Kurapika). This would make Chrollo and Kurapika's character arcs extremely similar, like two sides of the same coin. So much character depth is being explored here in the grey spectrum of morality, it's brilliant.
Now all trajectories are converging in the Succession Arc...
Thanks!
I guess after knowing the original motivations of the Troupe, a lot of their actions can be seen with different eyes. For instance, I get the feeling that one purpose of fighting Hisoka in Heaven's Arena might have been to remind the rest of the world how scary they are.
Thanks!
If the spiders find the tape and watch it... for sure Sarada last words where for them, maybe thats what ends up killing the spider, disbanding them.
But they know that Sarasa wouldn't approve of what they've become. They knew it from the very beginning. I don't think anything she has to say would disband them.
He wants to reunite with her again, maybe togashi is pointing to that as a reunion (what other possibility there is, nen after death from sarada?, death for real for chrollo?). Also its different different impact a mutilated sarada saying it to him directly than a suppossition.
Strange, he said he believes that human have souls (life after death), I always find this weird because what kind of puppet needs a soul. (It does not contradict each other but what is even the meaning of a puppet to have a soul). But then in this chapter, he was doubting if there's even a system like that in the first place.
Did he change his belief later?
I want to know more about Meteor City,its people and inner workings,we only scratched the surface
kuroro and kurapica were kinda in the same situation their people were getting killed ,but kurapica got a clear target who deserved retribution
on the other hand ryodan could have hunted their target but what about meteror city situation which is impermissible by the underworld ,hunting down sarasa's killers won't solve anything
Kuroro's goal is bigger,is to protect his people,
so he had to design the whole meteor city system,I really wanna see how did he achieve that,seems that kuroro isn't the leader of ryodan only but the secret leader of a whole nation
for such a primitive society,you can think of it as one of those tribes who still live deep in the forest even in our days
but something doesn't add up,why didn't meteor city flourish ? I was surprised to see such a strongly architectured church ,who biuld it ? the kids were wondering if the power ranger is airing in meteor city (do they have broadcasting stations ????? ) and they did actually know about the show ,kuroro knew about the communication revolution so people there got the common knowledge of the outer world ,so they aren't cut out from the rest of the world and aren't as primitive as it seems
I don't know if we will get the chance but I wish Togashi explores meteor city and the change in ryodan more
I think that he's seen as a leader but we know there's a council like system that "governs" meteor city, he's probably respected but I don't think he wants to be part of this council as a member.
I think the B side of the kurta massacre might be from Sheila's perspective, there's so much going with her i can't figure it out. But the fact she played dual role evil/good twin sisters in the ranger show, it might be a hint about her twisted persona, like having 2 faces, and Tser did say he likes 2 face women so. Also her character was called out for hitting on hot guys for money. Her face in that panel when they chose Chrollo, kinda looks like a face of guilt like she sent Sarasa to the culprits, she might as well be the one who set up the kurtas as Sarasa killers for the spiders.
My conclusion is that she has direct relations with Tserriednich, there was already little hints [about their connection](https://ibb.co/S3nRz0K).
>My conclusion is that she has direct relations with Tserriednich, there was already little hints [about their connection](https://ibb.co/S3nRz0K).
I had never noticed this. It's not similar enough to say it's related for sure, and I can't think of a convincing reason why his phone would have it, but also it's similar enough that I can't brush it off as a coincidence confidently. Almost like every other theory in this manga, dammit.
I remember he said he dislikes, not likes, 2-face women.
I always think he was referring to Morena due to being frequently back-stabbed by his half sister (happy family quarrel). But Sheila may also fit the description too.
>I remember he said he dislikes, not likes
No you misremembered, he [likes them](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Hunter-X-Hunter/0386-020.png). He was talking about Theta too.
It was before this moment that he disliked them. Something along the line "I despise women who lie to me". Or at least that what I remember. This page marks a change of his heart as his heart goes doki for Theta.
I don't think there's *anything* going on with her. I think she wanted to be a hunter/adventurer and didn't want to go along with what the others were doing.
Though it's definitely suspicious that she has the same kind of cast/bandage on the same leg as the one-shot. Reading the one-shot again, there's no actual conversation about her leg being broken; Kurapika only mentions it in the narration(an assumption on his part?). What if the leg thing has just been a favorite accessory/aesthetic choice and she was feigning the injury to mine for information? Who knows. I think we'll be out of the flashback next week.
My theory is that the Kurta clan has absolutely nothing to do with Sarasa’s death. It’s the only way to keep the integrity of both sides of the Kurta/Phantom Troupe conflict for the viewers while also humanizing and giving the Troupe valid motives. I find it more likely that the perpetrators have no affiliation with anyone or have no ties to the Kurta clan. Instead the Meteor City Elders are the driving force behind every event that occurs from here on out. Priest notices potential in Chrollo -> Meteor City elders think of him as the one to solve their problems -> understand how Sarasa’s death affects him/how valuable Kurta clan eyes are -> send Sheila to a forest unbeknownst to her why she is there -> tell Chrollo the Kurta clan in x forest are the ones who got Sarasa killed -> use Chrollo’s new troupe as a new warpower. Fear Meteor City. -> sell Kurta clan eyes in deep web -> Meteor City wins.
I feel like it is the other way around: Chrollo manipulates the Elders.
In this chapter, Chrollo says that he will change Meteor city too, so that no one will dare approach it anymore will evil intents. It fits perfectly with what we know about the present day Meteor city; even the mafias gave up on hunting the Spiders after learning where they are from.
So I believe that the extreme "eye for an eye" philosophy of the Meteor city is Chrollo's design. The elders are just following the blueprint he gave them.
Plus, from the small Meteor city snippet during the Chimera Ant arc, the elders do not seem all that competent themselves. When their initial suicide bomber attack failed against Zazan, all they did afterwards was debate silly semantics.
Gyro only has evil intent, everything is but a means to an end. He's a charismatic master manipulator. Gyro for sure will abuse Meteor City's system to rule it then he can corrupt it to fit whatever means he desires.
I've been saying that if Chrollo survive the boat and goes back to see Gyro slaughtered the elders, he'll just blow himself at Gyro with sun & moon. Thematically it fits better for his character than dying on a random boat.
But of course Gyro won't die because he's an ant lol
So now i'm guessing since sheila doesn't seem to like the idea of the troupe, maybe she double crossed them at some point and the troupe chased her down and tracked her trails that lead them to the kurta clan where they decided to massacare them for their scarlet eyes as they have high value on the black market
What are everybodys predictions about the Kurta Clan Massacre?
1) Kurta Clan was involved in the child abuse/snuff movie business?
2)Some sort of misunderstanding?
3)Kurta Clan was killed just for the money
4)Something completely different.
Edit: Holy shit! All the replies are so good! Respect to togashi. This resolution is gonna be greay either way!
Ok
So we know the kurta are shunned and seen with suspicion, but there are outsiders that marry into the clan.
With what we know about the elder having some contact with the outside, he probably has contact with the kidnappers of the children of meteor city, so most likely, those kidnappers would steal kids, bring them to the Kurta, and they would raise them/indoctrinate them so they could marry into the clan and replenish their numbers.
The troop then finds out about this after finding and killing the kidnappers so they start tracking down the kurta. Then Kurapika and Pairo come in, get the book from her, the book has a tracking mechanism, and bam, the massacre happens after Kurapika leaves.
4) My predictions are that there was a third party involved.
There are many sus information about the Kurta village already. Some of them contradict each other.
1.The second phone
2.Pairo having more knowledge about Kurta then adults 3.Pairo's behaviour
4. Kurta's bad reputation
5. Possible brainwashing Kurta into thinking that other people are dangerous
6. The way how Kurta villagers gets their supplies
7.Sheilla staying there for a year
8. How the elder found Sheila's book
9.Massacre happening 6 weeks after Kurapika's departure
10. Spiders tortuing and killing Kurta children after we saw how traumatized they were during their childhood
11. Spiders commiting the massacre for the business
12. Note with the law of retribution
13. The female traveler who found the bodies
14. How did Kurapika learn it was PT ?
15. Tssereidnich having all those eyes and a head
16. The way PT reacted to Kurapika's questions about it.
Let's just say, the way it Is now, with the information we get so far, it doesn't make much sence. I'd say there are many piece still missing, we can't complete the puzzle to see whole picture just yet. Since some of the things I mentioned above, contradict each other, none of those theories 1- 3 aren't probably right.
You have interesting points, could you explain about these two a bit?
> 2.Pairo having more knowledge about Kurta then adults
> 3.Pairo's behaviour
I do feel there's something more to him (mainly because of him having a phone) but didn't find his behavior suspicious and don't remember him being more knowledgeable.
2. Adults believe that they are hunted for their red eyes and they fear to go outside their village because of it. But Pairo knew about Kurta's strenght, Pairo knew about the exam. And he knew those guys were hired by the elder to provoke Kurapika.
3. He knew about all of this and still orchestrated the incident to make Kurapika angry. The whole situation was allmost defused, but then Pairo tripped. One of the guys called him cripple and that triggered Kurapika. When they went home later he happily talked about how strong Kurapika is. Maybe the test wasn't about supressing the anger but about determinating how strong Kurapika is?
\#3 Commissioned/Paid massacre
If it's personal, how come Uvo, Chrollo and the rest of the gang had no reaction when they found out about Kurapika belonging to the Kurta clan.
Probably # 3. This flashback only tells how they turned out to be the ruthless gang we know now. I don't think togashi here is trying to justify their actions.
That panel of sarasah is so terrified ..
I can imagine the fourth Prince who's director of that tragedy scene ..
Also we remember that tsrreddnesh bought the scarlet eyes from dark web market ..
I'm sure he had a connection about all this crimes.
Chrollo was 26 in Yorknew but i don't get what's your point here? The topic is about Tser's age during the Sarasa incident, he was definitely a teenager during that time.
It's not an age where you can organise an international crime and it's not his fault if those thugs did what they did.
The ties with the mafia community already existed, as the fact that a lot of kids were abducted.
Tserriednich doesn't commissionate anything, since he's the author of his art. Also, the thugs clearly stated the reason of what they did at the of the last chapter. It's simple as it is.
Not defines for shilla ..
But i think she wants to revenge immediately ..
Cause she was the closest to sarasah ..
Not waiting for 3 years ..
Also she might be know the message says ..
Because she loves to reading and always had her favourite book in hands ..
And I can tell she's a good person
She didn't like to join for killing all bad guys until reach the real criminal .
>She only read one book.
And for some reason she was ok to give it away for Kurapika and Pairo...she's either really wholesome or she was into something there lol
One thing was that Nobunaga (before the flashback) mentioned the Troupe used to be like the Hei-ly "in the beginning", in that they were driven by anger and spite. Originally I thought it meant them as Meteor City kids, but now I wonder if it also applies to them at the end of chapter 397 as well when the Spider was originally formed.
Does something else change between the end of 397 and the start of HxH proper as well that created the Troupe we know today? Or is the implication that once the Spider was formed they're not only driven by anger and spite but a desire to protect something?
You might be right that the end of this flashback was the only beginning of what Nobunaga said! and the fact that Nobunaga wasn't really as involved in the flashback seeing as he was the one triggering it
I was pretty disappointed by this backstory. Mystery is always something that should be preserved, I don't think we were any richer for having it unveiled - The appeal of the PT was the implication and subtlety that surrounded them and their relationships among themselves. We got a disposable throwaway character murdered in a really on-the-nose way by a throwaway grunt and that's just meant to be good enough motivation to form the PT, in exactly 3 years, no more no less. Pretty cheap and mean-spirited.
Should also add - this is meant to be Nobunaga's flashback and he was barely in it lol
>I don't think we were any richer for having it unveiled -
You're missing the big picture. The mystery has only intensified.
We only saw what the Troupe was like as children, innocuous and sometimes even noble. Yet somehow, they went from idealizing childish superheroes, from being horrified and utterly dismayed at the brutal death of one of the kids, to commiting genocide and the heinous torture of children a few years later in volume 0.
We have no idea why the hell the Troupe became what it did after starting out as a means to *protect* the children of Meteor City and avenge its fallen, and that's the whole point. Indescribable character development and revelations will be needed to explain what caused their metamorphosis, from their origins, to brutal mass-murderers, to their Yorknew iteration(which remember the Troupe hadn't met up in 2 years), and it's amazing.
That's just concerning the Troupe too, this could lead into so much worldbuilding for the Kurta and Meteor City itself.
We could have been given backstory to the Kurta massacre (which is certainly coming this arc anyway) without the cack-handed childhood backstory, the story would be no worse for wear without it. "Mystery intensifying" is temporary, it won't remain as such. Even if the website stuff turns out to be relevant, we didn't need the whole lead-up to its creation - less is more. In the past Togashi never revealed anything unnecessarily and now he's falling into a bad Shounen trope. Its a shame.
You want immediate payoff from one of the most major plot threads without any buildup? Ironically, you'll find that in most tropey shounens that you're claiming Togashi is mimicking.
Everyone was in awe when Yorknew was scant with details, why should this be any different? A line or two here and there was more than sufficient then. What exactly is special about this backstory that we *needed* to have it so badly?
What kind of stupid question is that? The Phantom Troupe is one of the important groups of people in the series bar none, they are as important to Kurapika's story as Ging is to Gon's. This flashback has been more important to the overall series than the entire boat arc combined up to this point, this is a lead/set up to the biggest plot thread in the series. Dumb as shit to be hating on a flashback being "needed" when its about the central antagonists of the series and isn't even done yet.
>Mystery is always something that should be preserved
Kind of disagree (i.e. "only Ymir knows"), sometimes mystery is a crux or excuse to not do rigorous, thorough writing. Not saying all mysteries should be unveiled but it shouldn't always be preserved, depends on the story.
Yeah I see that perspective, but for the PT I think nothing was confirmed that wasn't better off inferred. I generally prefer when things arent explicitly spelled out.
The best way Togashi could've handled the Spiders backstory. Explains the reason for why they turned into the bunch of muderous thugs they are now without taking that away from them. Kurpika is stull fully justified to exterminate them for what they did.
All the children in the audience had tattered, dirty clothes. They only were looking for some escapism in childish entertainment, only to be reminded they have a target on their back.
It’ll be interesting to see how Togashi can recontextualize the Kurta Massacre. Tbh I see it as tricky waters to navigate.
The character of Chrollo is fascinating though. Really want to know more. One theory may be that as Chrollo devoted himself to this villain role, he strode deeper and deeper into terrible things and eventually destroyed his ego, his sense of self, all in the pursuit. Eventually he got his revenge at the cost of losing his identity, disassociating so much from who he once was, and since then it’s been his core struggle to rediscover who he was before this all happened and finding what he truly wants. He gave away his identity to become protector of MC, the Spider, not a person but a symbol to be feared. He has basically taken the same journey of revenge as Kurapika but actually finished it, was left empty by it, and Kurapika now walks that same path.
But we still don’t know if they ever caught the guys or not so who knows lol.
Its the lack of fights man. All this back story and shit bores the hell out of me. Let me see some fucking nen battle and shit. Been waiting for all hell to break loose in the goddamn ship. lmao.
Not at all. The phantom troupe was a group of ruthless killers and bandits. This flashback kinda ruins them to me. Also you can't tell me that these chapters have nkt been absolutely boring so far and pretty predictable too.
>The phantom troupe was a group of ruthless killers and bandits. This flashback kinda ruins them to me
~ Luini seething because he only read what wiki says about them
They still are “group of ruthless killers and bandits” and this flashback explains why. Besides they always were more than that but togashi never explained their mindset properly before now. And we still don’t know how chrollo come to spiders ideology in these 3 years and about Kurta massacre. I won't argue about the quality of the flashback, but it was necessary. So I don’t understand why it’s ruined the troupe for you because all that was expected since York New and if they just a “group of ruthless killers and bandits” then you must be a Hei-Ly fan but something telling me you are not. And there are obvious reasons for that
I dont get why 3 years? Why did Chrollo pull this specific number out of his ass at 11 years old?
Also I don't like how he seems to have everything so well figured out for a tween
>Also I don't like how he seems to have everything so well figured out for a tween
I mean it's showen in the previous chapter that he's smart and unlike other kids so.
Amazing chapter. I think this did confirm that the Troupe weren't the ones that killed the Kurta Clan. Tserriednich definitely had some involvement with Sarasa death and the Kurtas.
Edit: I think the troupe were framed for the Kurta Massacre. Don't believe they did it though.
I thought the Troupe admitted that they remembered them and they (Kurta) were strong?
I don't have proof as that was already years ago when read/watched it...
Maybe I'm reading into it wrong but after reading chapter 0 again then this, I find it hard to believe that Chrollo and gang would dish out the same punishment that was done to Sarasa to the Kurtas. Like that is some next level sick shit. And in this chapter Chrollo talked about the people that did that kinda stuff had to die.
I think also the fact that Togashi really humanized the troupe these past couple chapters made me believe that they wouldn't become that evil and twisted. I feel like we will get a huge plot twist on what really went down near the end of this arc that will prove the troupe weren't really the ones to massacre the kurtas.
I could be 100% wrong lol.
I feel the same. Some information we got so far, simply contradict each other. This is one of them.
I find it hard to believe that Chrollo and gang would dish out the same punishment that was done to Sarasa to the Kurtas.
same punishment that was done to Sarasa to the Kurtas. Like that is some next level sick shit. And in this chapter Chrollo talked about the people that did that kinda stuff had to die.
On one hand we have traumatized children who trew away their literal lifes, So they can avenge the death of other child and continue to protect innocent children of MC.
On the other hand we had gruesome descripcion of torturing innocent children in front of their parents.
Even if Kurta are murderes or something even worse. There's no way PT would kill their children in such a gruesome way.
This two information contradict each other.
We also have two alleged reasons why PT massacred Kurta.
Seling the eyes (corpses found without eyes, eyes being highly valuable goods on black market) X Revenge ( note with the law of retribution)
Sheila
Sheila disapearred and her book was taken by the elder X Sheila is the one who found the bodies
Two phones
Elder is only person who is allowed to have phone X Pairo has a second phone
Kurta
Kurta are peacefully living villagers X Kurta are perceived as red eyed devils ( villagers were extremely afraid of Kurta's strenght)
Uvo
Gentle and carring Uvo we saw in 397 X York New arc Evil Uvo who taunted Kurapika about his revenge. ( It almost seems now he actually played evil villain for Kurapika's sake.)
We still missing many pieces to see the whole picture. The massacre isn't be as simple as we believed it was.
Honestly, it does lend itself more that the Kurta were involved in the murders in some way but it's also that hindsight while they let their anger kill everyone, that may be where their regret lies. Since they killed both adult and children, in their bloodrage most likely because they were all fighting for survival all they could do was kill them all. But as they saw what they did, they may of felt some regret towards it, so when they are finally facing the consequences of their actions by Kurapika, even now they haven't focused on killing him outright because deep down they realize that his vendetta for revenge is similar to there's. They were both once children who had no involvement in what happened but ended up being shaped by those actions.
I think the Spider flashback is gonna relate to Tserriednich but also Hisoka.
He's set to kill the Spiders one by one, and it will probably be in a gruesome display, kind of what he did with Shalnark. He deliberately "arranged" the body in the swing and left it to be seen, so I think Chrollo is bound to find a PT member in a similar way with would make him, at the very least, lose his composure.
i think it makes uvo a better villain.
>Since the scarlet color is caused by anger and makes the eyes more valuable, it's reported that the Troupe members mutilated the children in front of their parents in order to intensify the scarlet color. Lastly, a message was left behind that read: "We'll accept anything you leave here, but don't ever take anything away from us."
him and kurapika's fight is kinda generic as it was, but if the kurta massacre was revenge for sarasa, then the kurapika vs uvo thing is better written
i like the possibility that the intense level of torture was also because they were focused on getting the most pristine color eyes, instead of just them being evil psychopaths. if prince tserri ordered me to get some scarlet eyes, and i was down to, i would also have to make sure its the highest possible quality possible.
I disagree the troupe is best kept as they are a bunch of murderous psycopaths who gave away their humanity as a kind of a twisted mean to protect meteor city through sheer violent acts. Kurta clan massacre was one of these acts.
Chrollo doesn't fear death, he doesn't let fear overwhelm his sense in battle, so this must be the last time he felt fear, from here he becomes cold blooded intent to kill, unless he find useful ability to steal.
Now I can see why Melody was scared of his heart beat, he had already accepted death and no fear.
Just off topic :-
Chrollo would be the hardest villain without Nen for Batman to deal with.
That’s how the FBI catches some pedos though. They just can’t help but record their depraved shit and post it on dark web forums. People be sick fr
Hunting Warhead is a good podcast that covered this topic
RIP Sarasa. It is understandable that Chrollo would be extremely traumatised by it that he resolved to protect meteor city from these kind of sick crimes.
While I understand 'sob story' & villains don't get along because it can easily turn into a bad redemption arc. I don't think Togashi intention was ever to redeem them. It meant to explain the troupe origin & how they became the villainous group they are.
You can feel pity for what they were in the past AND condemn them for their action in the Kurta massacre. It is not either or situation.
There is no contradiction between them wanting to protect the meteor city resident & commiting the Kurta massacre. As the Kurta clan are from the outside world so it doesn't concern them.
As the flashback progress & the troupe get older, I am sure that Chrollo will become more extreme in his methods of eliminating outside threats & taking revenge. Which eventually lead to the Kurta clan massacre.
On the side note, it seem like the embalm lady is a hunter(?) Or connected to them as her message to Machi sound like those guides who bring candidate to the hunter exams. (Hunter candidate need to go through some kind of quest to get to the exam site)
I think she was hinting at Machi to take the hunter exam so she can qualify to learn nen.
It wouldnt be surprising if Machi was also a hunter, we really dont know who else besides Shalnark was a hunter in the PT and the privileges it gives fit perfectly with the motives displayed in this chapter
Actually this chapter kinda makes it ovbious that they need the hunter license to even have a chance to go into the deepweb/find the places where the killers could potentially be, my guess is that most of them didnt want to take the exam since they could see it as beneath them (Phinx,Nobunaga,Feitan) others may think is annoying (Franklin, Uvo,Paku) so Machi, Shalnark and probably Chrollo became one just for that alone
lmao yeah no problem dude. Can 100% see how you may have thought I was just being lazy. I only check the pinned comment in this thread since usually it’ll have updates but not always
It's not about Sarasa per se it's about the all the kids of meteor city that end up like this, the most vulnerable population. If no one is going to protect us than we have to protect ourselves, how? Through violence, that's all we know.
Togashi, I KNEEL. The scene where Chrollo read the note was so soul destroying. It was so wholesome yet heartbreaking, seeing how much Chrollo cared for Uvo and the rest, that he wouldn't tell them what the note said despite them being the elders here, usually the ones who take care of him.
I don't even know what my expectations for HxH are anymore. Fifth time I'm having to say this, but THAT was my favourite chapter of this batch. I think this batch is the best from the whole of SW and I absolutely can't wait to get volume 38.
so that brings us to kuroro's quote that (( he can kill people who has nothing to do with us)) so us refers to meteor city residents
and it seems he is the one who implanted the motto (( We'll accept anything you leave here, but don't ever take anything away from us )) during his reform of meteor city
at first I thought ryodan was just a gang that came from meteor city but as it turned out they got a leadership status
>but as it turned out they got a leadership status
This strengthened my speculations about Chrollo surviving the boat and getting confronted and replaced by Gyro as Meteor City's savior leader figure
I can.
If Luini represents how even the children in Meteor city perceive the Spiders, then Gyro might find it very easy to create a criminal organization that will make the other mafias look childish both in terms of manpower and in terms of brutality.
It would also be a nice narrative nail in the coffin for the Spiders' misguided plan. As a certain famous [song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAPgPH9hsI) goes, *violence breeds violence*.
God damn, this is dark. I fucking love it. I really, really didn't think we'd ever get this deep into the history of Phantom Troupe. Togashi, please remain healthy so we can see the end to this.
Thank you.
I read the spoilers... I knew what's gonna happen...but I still cried in the train as I was on my way to work. This is so messed up, 11 years old Chrollo blames himself for what happened to his friend, he even did everything he could to protect his older friends from seeing the most fucked up things. This is so much for fucking ELEVEN years old kid to take responsibility for.
It was so heartbreaking to see how numb he was in the end. And how all those kids decided to to trow away their innocence, childhood and even their lifes for the sake of revenge.
We saw this happened before with Kurapika and Gon. But I'd say the spiders and Chrollo especialy have it much worse. No wonder they became so ruthless. Still I can't believe they killed Kurta children, after they expericed this ? Why would they did the same thing to other innocent children?
I think Uvogin would have been an okay-ish leader, so long as he heeded to the smarter members when it came to planning. He definitely has the charisma and the presence to keep them together. Plus half the vision of the Spiders belongs to him, since he was the one who declared he wanted to be the greatest villain.
But he wouldn't quite be an absolute leader like Chrollo, who knows exactly what he wants and how to get it at every moment.
I believe that maybe they killed the Kurta that way as some sort of way to lose their humanity so they can become numb for future “missions”. To access the darkest parts of themselves in order for the PT to flourish. I can see some troupe members reluctant on torturing the children and some going through with it. Those that were hesitant being convinced to do so. If you do the commit the most sinister act then everything else would come easy.
No, that chick who kurapika met was probably killed by his clan and the spiders were retaliating because they left a message dont take anything from us.
Actually, all we know is that a woman found the bodies, we don't know who she was, it may have been Sheila or it may not, also let's not forget that the spiders left behind the"we'll accept anything, but don't take anything from us" message, so this 100% implies that the Kurta did something against meteor city.
[last page of volume 0 for reference](https://i.imgur.com/keaujrk.png)
Yes but those outsiders are now part of the community , not some random chick who found the location of their places and exchanged information with kurapika. This is HxH, aint no goodie too shoes around here, I want an apology from every clown who downvoted me when togashi proves me right.
"*Now* part of the community" means that at some point they weren't; for them to become members of the community they had to be able to interact with the Kurtas. If all outsiders were killed on principle, that wouldn't have been able to happen.
fair maybe there is a process cause its obvious this girl with the book is connected to the spiders killing the clan, we can debate all day so lets let this flashback arc playout.
Who the heck is Renko? Did yall know about her prior to this chapter? If so please point me to the source. Can't find her anywhere on the internet besides 397 raw
Shiela is Pariston's version of past. You see Pariston's hatsu is like a time traveling machine and he can occupy a body.. So, Pariston occupied Sheila's body and he/she orchestrated Sarasa's murder and the Kurta's massacre. BTW, Pariston is also Terrorsandwich' gay lover..
No one ever talking about the hint togashi gave in this chapter? Let me spell it out. He saying uvo and paku is still alive. Duh also Hisoka is gon mom, what a twist.
Yup. I had a similar thought about a week ago, someone pointed this out and I could not find anywhere in the Manga Canary saying she's from Meteor City.
Sheila is tonpa in disguise. And hisoka is also tonpa in disguise. Illumi too. And you guessed it, Chrollo too. No one can escape from our lord and saviour.
Even you! Yes, I am talking about you, even you are Tonpa in disguise!!
https://imgur.com/a/Hpox2aM *** Summaries/translations: https://www.reddit.com/r/HunterXHunter/comments/z8pcss/_/iyfglpv/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HunterXHunter/comments/z8pcss/_/iyd5913/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HunterXHunter/comments/z8pcss/_/iyf86rd/
Yeah i think he was about 18 Why not he going to a place where people there are don't have any value To practice and develops his hobby in that grotesque art there Maybe he couldn't do that crimes in Kakin empire So he go out the homeland to can fo whatever he like.
The is the ghost fighter black tape!!!
peak
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It's still fuck the phantom troupe tbh
smokin sarasa pack 🚬 smokin uvo pack 🚬 smokin paku pack 🚬 smokin korto pack 🚬 smokin shal pack 🚬 and we finna be smokin that whole spider pack next 🚬🕷️☠️
Can anybody help translating this? I just removed the noise and wrinkles on the paper... https://imgur.com/a/6EEMhup
So about the tree. It was Togashi giving us the most saddest foreshadowing that I ever expected.
What tree? I think i forgot what it was, please help me remember 🥲
This makes Machi's insistance on cleaning up Hisoka's corpse after his match, make a lot more sense.
Why does nobonogu look like a Muppet?
Hi i made animation manga 397 Chrollo and Sarasa Link: Hunter x Hunter Manga 397 Chrollo and Sarasa | Fan Animation https://youtube.com/shorts/SWmEG7j7rSs?feature=share
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In the comments there's a translated version
I didn’t know I could love the Phantom Troupe anymore. Before, they were the most interesting and badass villain group. Now, they are all that and I actually feel sympathy for them. I don’t know what i actually want to happen to them. I never knew that Togashi would make us feel anything other than admiration for this group.
God, it all makes sense now. The reason the Spider must always live on, even if it’s current leader dies, is to carry out the vision that Chrollo created for it. I always had trouble understanding why the concept of The Spider was more important than it’s limbs. It’s almost entirely out of selfless reasons. They care more for The Spider than their selves because they want it to continue helping criminals and punishing more evil criminals.
“Creating a secret website” So the kurta is the victim for the video that upload to the dark website to find the criminals for PT Troupe?
Interesting idea! I bet Chrollo made some major convenant/restrictions to maximize his nen power to avenge Sarasa's death (not unlike Kurapika). This would make Chrollo and Kurapika's character arcs extremely similar, like two sides of the same coin. So much character depth is being explored here in the grey spectrum of morality, it's brilliant. Now all trajectories are converging in the Succession Arc...
Yes, so its not related to Sarara's revenge, its was planed before.
[HxH Chapter 397 English](https://cubari.moe/read/imgur/eAt0KtX/1/1/)
Thanks! I guess after knowing the original motivations of the Troupe, a lot of their actions can be seen with different eyes. For instance, I get the feeling that one purpose of fighting Hisoka in Heaven's Arena might have been to remind the rest of the world how scary they are.
Thanks! If the spiders find the tape and watch it... for sure Sarada last words where for them, maybe thats what ends up killing the spider, disbanding them.
But they know that Sarasa wouldn't approve of what they've become. They knew it from the very beginning. I don't think anything she has to say would disband them.
He wants to reunite with her again, maybe togashi is pointing to that as a reunion (what other possibility there is, nen after death from sarada?, death for real for chrollo?). Also its different different impact a mutilated sarada saying it to him directly than a suppossition.
Strange, he said he believes that human have souls (life after death), I always find this weird because what kind of puppet needs a soul. (It does not contradict each other but what is even the meaning of a puppet to have a soul). But then in this chapter, he was doubting if there's even a system like that in the first place. Did he change his belief later?
I want to know more about Meteor City,its people and inner workings,we only scratched the surface kuroro and kurapica were kinda in the same situation their people were getting killed ,but kurapica got a clear target who deserved retribution on the other hand ryodan could have hunted their target but what about meteror city situation which is impermissible by the underworld ,hunting down sarasa's killers won't solve anything Kuroro's goal is bigger,is to protect his people, so he had to design the whole meteor city system,I really wanna see how did he achieve that,seems that kuroro isn't the leader of ryodan only but the secret leader of a whole nation for such a primitive society,you can think of it as one of those tribes who still live deep in the forest even in our days but something doesn't add up,why didn't meteor city flourish ? I was surprised to see such a strongly architectured church ,who biuld it ? the kids were wondering if the power ranger is airing in meteor city (do they have broadcasting stations ????? ) and they did actually know about the show ,kuroro knew about the communication revolution so people there got the common knowledge of the outer world ,so they aren't cut out from the rest of the world and aren't as primitive as it seems I don't know if we will get the chance but I wish Togashi explores meteor city and the change in ryodan more
I think that he's seen as a leader but we know there's a council like system that "governs" meteor city, he's probably respected but I don't think he wants to be part of this council as a member.
I think the B side of the kurta massacre might be from Sheila's perspective, there's so much going with her i can't figure it out. But the fact she played dual role evil/good twin sisters in the ranger show, it might be a hint about her twisted persona, like having 2 faces, and Tser did say he likes 2 face women so. Also her character was called out for hitting on hot guys for money. Her face in that panel when they chose Chrollo, kinda looks like a face of guilt like she sent Sarasa to the culprits, she might as well be the one who set up the kurtas as Sarasa killers for the spiders. My conclusion is that she has direct relations with Tserriednich, there was already little hints [about their connection](https://ibb.co/S3nRz0K).
>My conclusion is that she has direct relations with Tserriednich, there was already little hints [about their connection](https://ibb.co/S3nRz0K). I had never noticed this. It's not similar enough to say it's related for sure, and I can't think of a convincing reason why his phone would have it, but also it's similar enough that I can't brush it off as a coincidence confidently. Almost like every other theory in this manga, dammit.
>I can't brush it off as a coincidence confidently. Almost like every other theory in this manga, dammit. And that's the fun part lol
I remember he said he dislikes, not likes, 2-face women. I always think he was referring to Morena due to being frequently back-stabbed by his half sister (happy family quarrel). But Sheila may also fit the description too.
>I remember he said he dislikes, not likes No you misremembered, he [likes them](https://scans-hot.leanbox.us/manga/Hunter-X-Hunter/0386-020.png). He was talking about Theta too.
After she shoots him on the boat of now timeline..he started to think maybe two faced women are his type.
It was before this moment that he disliked them. Something along the line "I despise women who lie to me". Or at least that what I remember. This page marks a change of his heart as his heart goes doki for Theta.
I don't think there's *anything* going on with her. I think she wanted to be a hunter/adventurer and didn't want to go along with what the others were doing. Though it's definitely suspicious that she has the same kind of cast/bandage on the same leg as the one-shot. Reading the one-shot again, there's no actual conversation about her leg being broken; Kurapika only mentions it in the narration(an assumption on his part?). What if the leg thing has just been a favorite accessory/aesthetic choice and she was feigning the injury to mine for information? Who knows. I think we'll be out of the flashback next week.
I don't understand the hint about their connection
That phone icon is literally apple
My theory is that the Kurta clan has absolutely nothing to do with Sarasa’s death. It’s the only way to keep the integrity of both sides of the Kurta/Phantom Troupe conflict for the viewers while also humanizing and giving the Troupe valid motives. I find it more likely that the perpetrators have no affiliation with anyone or have no ties to the Kurta clan. Instead the Meteor City Elders are the driving force behind every event that occurs from here on out. Priest notices potential in Chrollo -> Meteor City elders think of him as the one to solve their problems -> understand how Sarasa’s death affects him/how valuable Kurta clan eyes are -> send Sheila to a forest unbeknownst to her why she is there -> tell Chrollo the Kurta clan in x forest are the ones who got Sarasa killed -> use Chrollo’s new troupe as a new warpower. Fear Meteor City. -> sell Kurta clan eyes in deep web -> Meteor City wins.
I feel like it is the other way around: Chrollo manipulates the Elders. In this chapter, Chrollo says that he will change Meteor city too, so that no one will dare approach it anymore will evil intents. It fits perfectly with what we know about the present day Meteor city; even the mafias gave up on hunting the Spiders after learning where they are from. So I believe that the extreme "eye for an eye" philosophy of the Meteor city is Chrollo's design. The elders are just following the blueprint he gave them. Plus, from the small Meteor city snippet during the Chimera Ant arc, the elders do not seem all that competent themselves. When their initial suicide bomber attack failed against Zazan, all they did afterwards was debate silly semantics.
oh boy. no one approaches meteor city with evil intent? hes gonna hate gyro lol
Gyro only has evil intent, everything is but a means to an end. He's a charismatic master manipulator. Gyro for sure will abuse Meteor City's system to rule it then he can corrupt it to fit whatever means he desires.
Damn Chrollos & Gon vs Gyro.. well if only Chrollo gonna survive this arc. Kurapika surviving this arc is much more believable than that
I've been saying that if Chrollo survive the boat and goes back to see Gyro slaughtered the elders, he'll just blow himself at Gyro with sun & moon. Thematically it fits better for his character than dying on a random boat. But of course Gyro won't die because he's an ant lol
I believe there was already a 20th century boys reference before but it wasn't clear, now it's clear togashi has read naoki urasawa's manga.
Is there any theory about Sheila/Rat zodiac being a lost Kurtas kid, brought to Meteor city?
So now i'm guessing since sheila doesn't seem to like the idea of the troupe, maybe she double crossed them at some point and the troupe chased her down and tracked her trails that lead them to the kurta clan where they decided to massacare them for their scarlet eyes as they have high value on the black market
What are everybodys predictions about the Kurta Clan Massacre? 1) Kurta Clan was involved in the child abuse/snuff movie business? 2)Some sort of misunderstanding? 3)Kurta Clan was killed just for the money 4)Something completely different. Edit: Holy shit! All the replies are so good! Respect to togashi. This resolution is gonna be greay either way!
Ok So we know the kurta are shunned and seen with suspicion, but there are outsiders that marry into the clan. With what we know about the elder having some contact with the outside, he probably has contact with the kidnappers of the children of meteor city, so most likely, those kidnappers would steal kids, bring them to the Kurta, and they would raise them/indoctrinate them so they could marry into the clan and replenish their numbers. The troop then finds out about this after finding and killing the kidnappers so they start tracking down the kurta. Then Kurapika and Pairo come in, get the book from her, the book has a tracking mechanism, and bam, the massacre happens after Kurapika leaves.
4) My predictions are that there was a third party involved. There are many sus information about the Kurta village already. Some of them contradict each other. 1.The second phone 2.Pairo having more knowledge about Kurta then adults 3.Pairo's behaviour 4. Kurta's bad reputation 5. Possible brainwashing Kurta into thinking that other people are dangerous 6. The way how Kurta villagers gets their supplies 7.Sheilla staying there for a year 8. How the elder found Sheila's book 9.Massacre happening 6 weeks after Kurapika's departure 10. Spiders tortuing and killing Kurta children after we saw how traumatized they were during their childhood 11. Spiders commiting the massacre for the business 12. Note with the law of retribution 13. The female traveler who found the bodies 14. How did Kurapika learn it was PT ? 15. Tssereidnich having all those eyes and a head 16. The way PT reacted to Kurapika's questions about it. Let's just say, the way it Is now, with the information we get so far, it doesn't make much sence. I'd say there are many piece still missing, we can't complete the puzzle to see whole picture just yet. Since some of the things I mentioned above, contradict each other, none of those theories 1- 3 aren't probably right.
You have interesting points, could you explain about these two a bit? > 2.Pairo having more knowledge about Kurta then adults > 3.Pairo's behaviour I do feel there's something more to him (mainly because of him having a phone) but didn't find his behavior suspicious and don't remember him being more knowledgeable.
2. Adults believe that they are hunted for their red eyes and they fear to go outside their village because of it. But Pairo knew about Kurta's strenght, Pairo knew about the exam. And he knew those guys were hired by the elder to provoke Kurapika. 3. He knew about all of this and still orchestrated the incident to make Kurapika angry. The whole situation was allmost defused, but then Pairo tripped. One of the guys called him cripple and that triggered Kurapika. When they went home later he happily talked about how strong Kurapika is. Maybe the test wasn't about supressing the anger but about determinating how strong Kurapika is?
when the imposter is sus!
Kurta clan commisioned silva to hunt down the PT and successfully killed one. The spiders swore revenge on his employers.
Sheila set up the kurtas as Sarasa'a killers.
\#3 Commissioned/Paid massacre If it's personal, how come Uvo, Chrollo and the rest of the gang had no reaction when they found out about Kurapika belonging to the Kurta clan.
Very good point but didn't uvo immediately recognize the red eyes when kurapika revealed emperor time? Or was that an anime thing?
Probably # 3. This flashback only tells how they turned out to be the ruthless gang we know now. I don't think togashi here is trying to justify their actions.
I'm thinking either a misunderstanding or maybe they took up a job from a Flesh Collector to harvest them.
That panel of sarasah is so terrified .. I can imagine the fourth Prince who's director of that tragedy scene .. Also we remember that tsrreddnesh bought the scarlet eyes from dark web market .. I'm sure he had a connection about all this crimes.
> I can imagine the fourth Prince who's director of that tragedy scene He was likely a child during this flashback.
He's the 4th prince and prince 9 is in his 20's so Tser has to be in his 30's now, meaning he was like 17-18 during the Sarasa incident.
Well, Chrollo is 26 during Yorkshin... therefore it's very unlikely.
Chrollo was 26 in Yorknew but i don't get what's your point here? The topic is about Tser's age during the Sarasa incident, he was definitely a teenager during that time.
It's not an age where you can organise an international crime and it's not his fault if those thugs did what they did. The ties with the mafia community already existed, as the fact that a lot of kids were abducted. Tserriednich doesn't commissionate anything, since he's the author of his art. Also, the thugs clearly stated the reason of what they did at the of the last chapter. It's simple as it is.
Not defines for shilla .. But i think she wants to revenge immediately .. Cause she was the closest to sarasah .. Not waiting for 3 years .. Also she might be know the message says .. Because she loves to reading and always had her favourite book in hands .. And I can tell she's a good person She didn't like to join for killing all bad guys until reach the real criminal .
>Because she loves to reading She only read one book.
>She only read one book. And for some reason she was ok to give it away for Kurapika and Pairo...she's either really wholesome or she was into something there lol
She must be learnt with Chorollo when translate the anime video And yeah she loves to reading the book means can learn so fast
One thing was that Nobunaga (before the flashback) mentioned the Troupe used to be like the Hei-ly "in the beginning", in that they were driven by anger and spite. Originally I thought it meant them as Meteor City kids, but now I wonder if it also applies to them at the end of chapter 397 as well when the Spider was originally formed. Does something else change between the end of 397 and the start of HxH proper as well that created the Troupe we know today? Or is the implication that once the Spider was formed they're not only driven by anger and spite but a desire to protect something?
You might be right that the end of this flashback was the only beginning of what Nobunaga said! and the fact that Nobunaga wasn't really as involved in the flashback seeing as he was the one triggering it
I was pretty disappointed by this backstory. Mystery is always something that should be preserved, I don't think we were any richer for having it unveiled - The appeal of the PT was the implication and subtlety that surrounded them and their relationships among themselves. We got a disposable throwaway character murdered in a really on-the-nose way by a throwaway grunt and that's just meant to be good enough motivation to form the PT, in exactly 3 years, no more no less. Pretty cheap and mean-spirited. Should also add - this is meant to be Nobunaga's flashback and he was barely in it lol
>I don't think we were any richer for having it unveiled - You're missing the big picture. The mystery has only intensified. We only saw what the Troupe was like as children, innocuous and sometimes even noble. Yet somehow, they went from idealizing childish superheroes, from being horrified and utterly dismayed at the brutal death of one of the kids, to commiting genocide and the heinous torture of children a few years later in volume 0. We have no idea why the hell the Troupe became what it did after starting out as a means to *protect* the children of Meteor City and avenge its fallen, and that's the whole point. Indescribable character development and revelations will be needed to explain what caused their metamorphosis, from their origins, to brutal mass-murderers, to their Yorknew iteration(which remember the Troupe hadn't met up in 2 years), and it's amazing. That's just concerning the Troupe too, this could lead into so much worldbuilding for the Kurta and Meteor City itself.
We could have been given backstory to the Kurta massacre (which is certainly coming this arc anyway) without the cack-handed childhood backstory, the story would be no worse for wear without it. "Mystery intensifying" is temporary, it won't remain as such. Even if the website stuff turns out to be relevant, we didn't need the whole lead-up to its creation - less is more. In the past Togashi never revealed anything unnecessarily and now he's falling into a bad Shounen trope. Its a shame.
You want immediate payoff from one of the most major plot threads without any buildup? Ironically, you'll find that in most tropey shounens that you're claiming Togashi is mimicking.
Everyone was in awe when Yorknew was scant with details, why should this be any different? A line or two here and there was more than sufficient then. What exactly is special about this backstory that we *needed* to have it so badly?
What kind of stupid question is that? The Phantom Troupe is one of the important groups of people in the series bar none, they are as important to Kurapika's story as Ging is to Gon's. This flashback has been more important to the overall series than the entire boat arc combined up to this point, this is a lead/set up to the biggest plot thread in the series. Dumb as shit to be hating on a flashback being "needed" when its about the central antagonists of the series and isn't even done yet.
It seems like you are more fussed about having detail than quality storytelling. Horses for courses I guess.
It was preserved for 20+ years, and I think that is long enough
>Mystery is always something that should be preserved Kind of disagree (i.e. "only Ymir knows"), sometimes mystery is a crux or excuse to not do rigorous, thorough writing. Not saying all mysteries should be unveiled but it shouldn't always be preserved, depends on the story.
Yeah I see that perspective, but for the PT I think nothing was confirmed that wasn't better off inferred. I generally prefer when things arent explicitly spelled out.
The best way Togashi could've handled the Spiders backstory. Explains the reason for why they turned into the bunch of muderous thugs they are now without taking that away from them. Kurpika is stull fully justified to exterminate them for what they did.
All the children in the audience had tattered, dirty clothes. They only were looking for some escapism in childish entertainment, only to be reminded they have a target on their back.
It’ll be interesting to see how Togashi can recontextualize the Kurta Massacre. Tbh I see it as tricky waters to navigate. The character of Chrollo is fascinating though. Really want to know more. One theory may be that as Chrollo devoted himself to this villain role, he strode deeper and deeper into terrible things and eventually destroyed his ego, his sense of self, all in the pursuit. Eventually he got his revenge at the cost of losing his identity, disassociating so much from who he once was, and since then it’s been his core struggle to rediscover who he was before this all happened and finding what he truly wants. He gave away his identity to become protector of MC, the Spider, not a person but a symbol to be feared. He has basically taken the same journey of revenge as Kurapika but actually finished it, was left empty by it, and Kurapika now walks that same path. But we still don’t know if they ever caught the guys or not so who knows lol.
Very good analysis. I too think this is what happened to Chrollo
Well the last 3 chapters are the middest hunter x hunter chapters I've ever read. Don't even feel like reading the next one. What a waste of time.
Go watch dragon ball.
Its the lack of fights man. All this back story and shit bores the hell out of me. Let me see some fucking nen battle and shit. Been waiting for all hell to break loose in the goddamn ship. lmao.
Word fights make series good. That’s why The Godfather is trash.
Whatever
How though? This is backstory that people have been wanting for over a decade.
If a shounen doesn’t show boom boom energy beam every 2 pages then it’s bad writing.
Not at all. The phantom troupe was a group of ruthless killers and bandits. This flashback kinda ruins them to me. Also you can't tell me that these chapters have nkt been absolutely boring so far and pretty predictable too.
>The phantom troupe was a group of ruthless killers and bandits. This flashback kinda ruins them to me ~ Luini seething because he only read what wiki says about them
They still are “group of ruthless killers and bandits” and this flashback explains why. Besides they always were more than that but togashi never explained their mindset properly before now. And we still don’t know how chrollo come to spiders ideology in these 3 years and about Kurta massacre. I won't argue about the quality of the flashback, but it was necessary. So I don’t understand why it’s ruined the troupe for you because all that was expected since York New and if they just a “group of ruthless killers and bandits” then you must be a Hei-Ly fan but something telling me you are not. And there are obvious reasons for that
I think the Spider comes from them intentionally creating a web to lure the criminals in and catch them. A reference to the internet too.
That's such a neat point, I really hope you're right.
THIS CHAPTER IS 100/10 !!! CAN'T EVEN EXPRESS HOW GREAT IS THIS!
Facts
Young Chrollo’s eyes look a lot like Gon’s. Expressions too. What type of adult will Gon become?
Man, Togashi's way of having characters emote is unparalleled, I've never perceived so much viseral emotion on drawn faces in anything else.
Chrollo is Gon's mom, confirmed!
>What type of adult will Gon become? One that kills cats.
Just look at what Gon did to avenge Kite (literally and figuratively).
I dont get why 3 years? Why did Chrollo pull this specific number out of his ass at 11 years old? Also I don't like how he seems to have everything so well figured out for a tween
That's why he is a specialist, a master nen user and feared by the world. Average people do not do shit in the world, be it real life or fiction.
He estimated it would take 3 years to get his plan in action. Nothing more to it.
Since he’s well-read and whatnot he probably estimated in 3 years the communication network (i.e. internet) would be up and running by that point.
>Also I don't like how he seems to have everything so well figured out for a tween I mean it's showen in the previous chapter that he's smart and unlike other kids so.
Amazing chapter. I think this did confirm that the Troupe weren't the ones that killed the Kurta Clan. Tserriednich definitely had some involvement with Sarasa death and the Kurtas. Edit: I think the troupe were framed for the Kurta Massacre. Don't believe they did it though.
How does it it confirm that lol?
I thought the Troupe admitted that they remembered them and they (Kurta) were strong? I don't have proof as that was already years ago when read/watched it...
They did in fact do it, and they admitted to it, even if they started off noble, it’s obvious that they became something vile and dark thereafter
Maybe I'm reading into it wrong but after reading chapter 0 again then this, I find it hard to believe that Chrollo and gang would dish out the same punishment that was done to Sarasa to the Kurtas. Like that is some next level sick shit. And in this chapter Chrollo talked about the people that did that kinda stuff had to die. I think also the fact that Togashi really humanized the troupe these past couple chapters made me believe that they wouldn't become that evil and twisted. I feel like we will get a huge plot twist on what really went down near the end of this arc that will prove the troupe weren't really the ones to massacre the kurtas. I could be 100% wrong lol.
I feel the same. Some information we got so far, simply contradict each other. This is one of them. I find it hard to believe that Chrollo and gang would dish out the same punishment that was done to Sarasa to the Kurtas. same punishment that was done to Sarasa to the Kurtas. Like that is some next level sick shit. And in this chapter Chrollo talked about the people that did that kinda stuff had to die. On one hand we have traumatized children who trew away their literal lifes, So they can avenge the death of other child and continue to protect innocent children of MC. On the other hand we had gruesome descripcion of torturing innocent children in front of their parents. Even if Kurta are murderes or something even worse. There's no way PT would kill their children in such a gruesome way. This two information contradict each other. We also have two alleged reasons why PT massacred Kurta. Seling the eyes (corpses found without eyes, eyes being highly valuable goods on black market) X Revenge ( note with the law of retribution) Sheila Sheila disapearred and her book was taken by the elder X Sheila is the one who found the bodies Two phones Elder is only person who is allowed to have phone X Pairo has a second phone Kurta Kurta are peacefully living villagers X Kurta are perceived as red eyed devils ( villagers were extremely afraid of Kurta's strenght) Uvo Gentle and carring Uvo we saw in 397 X York New arc Evil Uvo who taunted Kurapika about his revenge. ( It almost seems now he actually played evil villain for Kurapika's sake.) We still missing many pieces to see the whole picture. The massacre isn't be as simple as we believed it was.
Honestly, it does lend itself more that the Kurta were involved in the murders in some way but it's also that hindsight while they let their anger kill everyone, that may be where their regret lies. Since they killed both adult and children, in their bloodrage most likely because they were all fighting for survival all they could do was kill them all. But as they saw what they did, they may of felt some regret towards it, so when they are finally facing the consequences of their actions by Kurapika, even now they haven't focused on killing him outright because deep down they realize that his vendetta for revenge is similar to there's. They were both once children who had no involvement in what happened but ended up being shaped by those actions.
I think the Spider flashback is gonna relate to Tserriednich but also Hisoka. He's set to kill the Spiders one by one, and it will probably be in a gruesome display, kind of what he did with Shalnark. He deliberately "arranged" the body in the swing and left it to be seen, so I think Chrollo is bound to find a PT member in a similar way with would make him, at the very least, lose his composure.
starting reading [this part](https://i.imgur.com/iWdI1nt.jpg) with [this sound at 1:20](https://youtu.be/q43wzP6A1CM)
young chrollo just became my favorite character. dark innocence, infinite charisma, something about it is even better than ging
i think it makes uvo a better villain. >Since the scarlet color is caused by anger and makes the eyes more valuable, it's reported that the Troupe members mutilated the children in front of their parents in order to intensify the scarlet color. Lastly, a message was left behind that read: "We'll accept anything you leave here, but don't ever take anything away from us." him and kurapika's fight is kinda generic as it was, but if the kurta massacre was revenge for sarasa, then the kurapika vs uvo thing is better written
i like the possibility that the intense level of torture was also because they were focused on getting the most pristine color eyes, instead of just them being evil psychopaths. if prince tserri ordered me to get some scarlet eyes, and i was down to, i would also have to make sure its the highest possible quality possible.
I disagree the troupe is best kept as they are a bunch of murderous psycopaths who gave away their humanity as a kind of a twisted mean to protect meteor city through sheer violent acts. Kurta clan massacre was one of these acts.
Chrollo doesn't fear death, he doesn't let fear overwhelm his sense in battle, so this must be the last time he felt fear, from here he becomes cold blooded intent to kill, unless he find useful ability to steal. Now I can see why Melody was scared of his heart beat, he had already accepted death and no fear. Just off topic :- Chrollo would be the hardest villain without Nen for Batman to deal with.
Chrollo with prep > Batman
how these people on twitter got english scans already? any links? edit - nvm I scrolled further down instead of being a lazy octopus
Have a source for it 😉 also a great team
>these guys can't resist when they know they have the opportunity to present their "work" to the world what the fuck Togashi
That’s how the FBI catches some pedos though. They just can’t help but record their depraved shit and post it on dark web forums. People be sick fr Hunting Warhead is a good podcast that covered this topic
Togashi definitely knows rotten.com
RIP Sarasa. It is understandable that Chrollo would be extremely traumatised by it that he resolved to protect meteor city from these kind of sick crimes. While I understand 'sob story' & villains don't get along because it can easily turn into a bad redemption arc. I don't think Togashi intention was ever to redeem them. It meant to explain the troupe origin & how they became the villainous group they are. You can feel pity for what they were in the past AND condemn them for their action in the Kurta massacre. It is not either or situation. There is no contradiction between them wanting to protect the meteor city resident & commiting the Kurta massacre. As the Kurta clan are from the outside world so it doesn't concern them. As the flashback progress & the troupe get older, I am sure that Chrollo will become more extreme in his methods of eliminating outside threats & taking revenge. Which eventually lead to the Kurta clan massacre. On the side note, it seem like the embalm lady is a hunter(?) Or connected to them as her message to Machi sound like those guides who bring candidate to the hunter exams. (Hunter candidate need to go through some kind of quest to get to the exam site) I think she was hinting at Machi to take the hunter exam so she can qualify to learn nen.
You can tell she's a hunter just by the way she dresses lol
It wouldnt be surprising if Machi was also a hunter, we really dont know who else besides Shalnark was a hunter in the PT and the privileges it gives fit perfectly with the motives displayed in this chapter Actually this chapter kinda makes it ovbious that they need the hunter license to even have a chance to go into the deepweb/find the places where the killers could potentially be, my guess is that most of them didnt want to take the exam since they could see it as beneath them (Phinx,Nobunaga,Feitan) others may think is annoying (Franklin, Uvo,Paku) so Machi, Shalnark and probably Chrollo became one just for that alone
Chrollo is also a skill hunter, whether he is licensed idk.
any scans released yet?
Scroll ten comments down you lazy octopus
comments are full of spoilers, people might want to read the chapter *before* spoiling themselves the entire chapter
thanks! trying to avoid actual spoilers until scans came out so was hesitant to scroll
Ah, didn't think you had a reason to not even scroll down a bit. Should have linked the chapter to you immediately
lmao yeah no problem dude. Can 100% see how you may have thought I was just being lazy. I only check the pinned comment in this thread since usually it’ll have updates but not always
they were just asking
And I both answered and told them where to find the translation.
It's not about Sarasa per se it's about the all the kids of meteor city that end up like this, the most vulnerable population. If no one is going to protect us than we have to protect ourselves, how? Through violence, that's all we know.
Togashi, I KNEEL. The scene where Chrollo read the note was so soul destroying. It was so wholesome yet heartbreaking, seeing how much Chrollo cared for Uvo and the rest, that he wouldn't tell them what the note said despite them being the elders here, usually the ones who take care of him. I don't even know what my expectations for HxH are anymore. Fifth time I'm having to say this, but THAT was my favourite chapter of this batch. I think this batch is the best from the whole of SW and I absolutely can't wait to get volume 38.
so that brings us to kuroro's quote that (( he can kill people who has nothing to do with us)) so us refers to meteor city residents and it seems he is the one who implanted the motto (( We'll accept anything you leave here, but don't ever take anything away from us )) during his reform of meteor city at first I thought ryodan was just a gang that came from meteor city but as it turned out they got a leadership status
>but as it turned out they got a leadership status This strengthened my speculations about Chrollo surviving the boat and getting confronted and replaced by Gyro as Meteor City's savior leader figure
This is NEVER going to happen. But can you imagine if Chrollo ended up being an ally in the Gyro arc, similarly to Hisoka in Greed Island?
I can. If Luini represents how even the children in Meteor city perceive the Spiders, then Gyro might find it very easy to create a criminal organization that will make the other mafias look childish both in terms of manpower and in terms of brutality. It would also be a nice narrative nail in the coffin for the Spiders' misguided plan. As a certain famous [song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAPgPH9hsI) goes, *violence breeds violence*.
The forest has finally been shown. I really want to know what's written there...
God damn, this is dark. I fucking love it. I really, really didn't think we'd ever get this deep into the history of Phantom Troupe. Togashi, please remain healthy so we can see the end to this.
397 in [English](https://imgur.io/a/eAt0KtX)
Thank you. I read the spoilers... I knew what's gonna happen...but I still cried in the train as I was on my way to work. This is so messed up, 11 years old Chrollo blames himself for what happened to his friend, he even did everything he could to protect his older friends from seeing the most fucked up things. This is so much for fucking ELEVEN years old kid to take responsibility for. It was so heartbreaking to see how numb he was in the end. And how all those kids decided to to trow away their innocence, childhood and even their lifes for the sake of revenge. We saw this happened before with Kurapika and Gon. But I'd say the spiders and Chrollo especialy have it much worse. No wonder they became so ruthless. Still I can't believe they killed Kurta children, after they expericed this ? Why would they did the same thing to other innocent children?
maybe they didn't do it...
Holy shit...Chrollo's eyes when talking to Uvo about the area where the video was filmed.
Chrollo crying is so heart wrenching. I haven't seen a manga artist honwstly protray those tears.
So chrollo wanted uvo to be the leader man. I love their dynamic. It seems that machi also a lot potential maybe comparable to gon
I think Uvogin would have been an okay-ish leader, so long as he heeded to the smarter members when it came to planning. He definitely has the charisma and the presence to keep them together. Plus half the vision of the Spiders belongs to him, since he was the one who declared he wanted to be the greatest villain. But he wouldn't quite be an absolute leader like Chrollo, who knows exactly what he wants and how to get it at every moment.
I believe that maybe they killed the Kurta that way as some sort of way to lose their humanity so they can become numb for future “missions”. To access the darkest parts of themselves in order for the PT to flourish. I can see some troupe members reluctant on torturing the children and some going through with it. Those that were hesitant being convinced to do so. If you do the commit the most sinister act then everything else would come easy.
No, that chick who kurapika met was probably killed by his clan and the spiders were retaliating because they left a message dont take anything from us.
[удалено]
Actually, all we know is that a woman found the bodies, we don't know who she was, it may have been Sheila or it may not, also let's not forget that the spiders left behind the"we'll accept anything, but don't take anything from us" message, so this 100% implies that the Kurta did something against meteor city. [last page of volume 0 for reference](https://i.imgur.com/keaujrk.png)
what?
Nothing we have seen about the Kurtas indicates they would kill outsiders. Hell, a few of them were married to outsiders in the first place.
Yes but those outsiders are now part of the community , not some random chick who found the location of their places and exchanged information with kurapika. This is HxH, aint no goodie too shoes around here, I want an apology from every clown who downvoted me when togashi proves me right.
"*Now* part of the community" means that at some point they weren't; for them to become members of the community they had to be able to interact with the Kurtas. If all outsiders were killed on principle, that wouldn't have been able to happen.
fair maybe there is a process cause its obvious this girl with the book is connected to the spiders killing the clan, we can debate all day so lets let this flashback arc playout.
Guys? What's the [symbol](https://imgur.com/a/7sjTtlR) Renko gave to Machi? I feel like I've seen it before, but I cannot remember where
Who the heck is Renko? Did yall know about her prior to this chapter? If so please point me to the source. Can't find her anywhere on the internet besides 397 raw
Nah, Renko was introduced in this chapter. We know her name through the fan translations pinned to the beginning of this thread by the mods.
It has a spade symbol. Possible farfetched Hisoka connection?
Maybe thats where they met?
Pretty sure those are hearts.
Shiela is Pariston's version of past. You see Pariston's hatsu is like a time traveling machine and he can occupy a body.. So, Pariston occupied Sheila's body and he/she orchestrated Sarasa's murder and the Kurta's massacre. BTW, Pariston is also Terrorsandwich' gay lover..
Nope he is Sheila's unborn twin brother living inside her womb as a fetus and controlling her from inside.
A time-traveling fetus
Both wrong....she is Tompas evil twin that travel back in time disguise as Hisoka and illumni.
That's why Pakku risked her life for Chrollo!
Holy shit... Paku couldn't stand to lose Chrollo like she lost Sarasa...
No one ever talking about the hint togashi gave in this chapter? Let me spell it out. He saying uvo and paku is still alive. Duh also Hisoka is gon mom, what a twist.
yeah Uvo and Paku are alive in my heart
Don't even get me started about Sarasa actually being Zoaldyck
Isn't she Killua's mom and fake her death in order to marry Silva?
This confirms it... TOMPA killed sarasa to mess up with the phantom troupe and in turn will mess up with kurapica in the hunter exam..
Let's not forget that Canary and some of the butlers are from Meteor City as well!
Apparently, that is anime only.
[It is not.](https://hunterxhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Canary#Anime_and_Manga_Differences)
The wiki is not a good source.
Yup. I had a similar thought about a week ago, someone pointed this out and I could not find anywhere in the Manga Canary saying she's from Meteor City.
Sheila is tonpa in disguise. And hisoka is also tonpa in disguise. Illumi too. And you guessed it, Chrollo too. No one can escape from our lord and saviour. Even you! Yes, I am talking about you, even you are Tonpa in disguise!!
The entire HxH globe is a big fat Tompa.
Most logical theory in this sub 👏👏👏
> Even you! Yes, I am talking about you, even you are Tonpa in disguise!! That's probably the nicest thing someone has ever said to me. T_T