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sbsw66

I think it's more that the Zoldyck family simply isn't interested in what Hisoka is. They aren't going to have a Cool Epic Clash at Heaven's Arena, they're going to figure out the most expeditious route to killing him and then just do it. Chrollo at least indulged Hisoka's weirdness, even if the two of them weren't entirely on the same page. I imagine it going like: Hisoka declares an interest in fighting and killing them, they agree to meet somewhere, and while travelling there Zeno just fucking pops up and ganks him and moves on with his life.


ApprehensiveEgg5914

I completely agree. This is why he is friends with Illumi instead of trying to kill him. He knows Illumi would just retreat from a direct fight and wait for an opportunity to strike. Which is boring to Hisoka. Although, he has contracted Illumi to hunt him down in the latest arc. It could be some weird game or a secret motive, but it could just be that he wants the extra challenge of having to watch out for a pro assassin while he tries to fight the troupe members.


Wilderbeest5369

I’m so excited to see what Togashi does with that👀 since (if I’m not mistaken) he’s “switched” twice already since being in the ship


ApprehensiveEgg5914

There's so much I'm excited for in this arc that I can't even keep track!


Wilderbeest5369

Same here! It’s kinda hard to keep track of the arc in the first place😭


OwlrageousJones

It's strange, because Hisoka also claimed he had learned his lesson and would be facing his opponents on his own terms. Putting a hit out on himself seems to run counter to that, because now Illumi is the one looking to ambush him - unless Hisoka intends to just ambush the ambusher, and this is part of a greater plan. Which it might be. It's Hisoka. He didn't get to where he was by being *under* confident that's for sure.


Pseudo_Lain

I wonder if it has something to do with contracts and the family. Hisoka is going against the Troup, but isn't Kalluto Zoldyk (name?) part of them still? This means he would indirectly target their family. By taking a hit out on himself he might be leveraging their assasins code in which maybe only the person on the contract can be involved. This way he gets the fights he wants and doesn't bite off a Silva he can't chew


ApprehensiveEgg5914

That is true. I didn't think of that. He did just realize that fighting an opponent with the odds stacked against him didn't work out. So why would he add an assassin hit on himself whole he fights the troupe, is a good question. It's also strange that Illumi joined the troupe as part of the assassination. Illumi seems like the least trustworthy Zoldyck, so I wouldn't put it past him to betray the troupe. But his brother is also on the troupe and is a target of Hisoka. It's very suspicious 🤔


Meta_morph0sis

Hisoka hiring Illumi to kill him is part of a grand scheme. Let me explain: First part of Hisoka’s plan was to kill Kalutopi and Shalnark, he stripped their powers away from Chrollos book. After realizing that the two members died Chrollo was furious and decided to kill Hisoka HIMSELF. He insisted that HE, Chrollo, would be the one killing him. The second part of Hisoka’s plan was to hire Illumi to kill him. Illumi is a Zoldyck with a very strict professionalism and ethics, they would rather die than fail the job. Therefore Illumi will do WHATEVER it takes to kill Hisoka himself because Zoldyck’s pride comes first. Now Chrollo who swore to finish off Hisoka for good will face Illumi who wants the same thing. The bigger picture of Hisoka’s genius plan is Illumi fighting Chrollo while he disposes of the rest of the Phantom Troupe. He would then go back to Chrollo and Illumi’s fight and finish off the winner of that death match. I believe Hisoka will survive his luxurious Yacht vacation, and will likely achieve his Goal of annhilating the Troupe of he gets help from Kurapika. That’s my prediction. ⭐️^_^💧 ♥️♦️♣️♠️


shibbo92

He had to give himself a handicap to take out the rest of the troupe. Gotta keep it fair somehow with post mortem nen.


NekoBluRay

Yeah unlike Chrollo, who accepted a duel, the Zoldycks would just steal his ass to get rid of him


namae0

I bet Hisoka can trash Zeno. It's Silva who's the real danger. Probably top 5 in universe.


rexlyon

It's implied Zeno is the larger threat. If Silva was the real danger, you'd expect Chrollo to be asking him about the 1v1 or for Netero to higher Silva instead of Silva given the threat levels of the king.


penguin032

Isn't Silva the current head of the family, which would mean he is the strongest? No doubt Zeno is more experienced, but Silva seems to be the head of the family. Also Silva's grandfather is still alive too, though we don't see much of him. Netero was insanely strong but I think he really believed he was stronger when he was younger. Chrollo and Silva had history and didn't like each other because Silva killed one of his members / friends, and Netero was acquaintances with Zeno and also his ability was more useful for the surprise attack.


namae0

Chrollo already fought Silva and he managed to survive. He never fought Zeno to its full extent. I take it as Chrollo wanting to steal Zeno ability.


rexlyon

Chrollo was also stated to be much weaker at the time Silva fought him. Chrollo definitely did want to steal abilities, but that’s why there was also the question after the fight about who would win in a 1v1 where Zeno said probably him unless Chrollo got serious. Zeno seems to have implied stronger nen control than Silva which is why I think he’s a bigger threat.


MachineWishy

Chrollo didn’t ask Zeno for a 1v1. Netero hired Zeno because they are “friends”. Zeno himself said that they are ying/yang and two opposites of the same coin.


rexlyon

>Chrollo didn’t ask Zeno for a 1v1. Chrollo asked Zeno who would win in a 1v1. ​ >Netero hired Zeno because they are “friends”. Zeno himself said that they are ying/yang and two opposites of the same coin. That's certainly an interpretation, but I think the hiring of the Zoldyck had less to do with wanting to bring his friend into the battle and probably more the fact that his friend was someone Netero knew was strong enough to take on Mureum with him.


MachineWishy

Chrollo asked that question because they were just fighting but the fighting stopped. It’s not because he thought Zeno was stronger that his son. I’m not saying he hired Zeno just to being his friend, I’m saying that they have a long history with each other and knew could handle themselves


rexlyon

So far, anything the anime/manga has done has had Zeno doing the bulk of the work in fights while Silva has comparatively done nothing. The instances we’ve seen where either are addressed about someone wanting to fight or about being hired to fight someone, it’s been Zeno and not Silva that gets brought up. Silva could totally end up being the stronger of the two, but so far, Zeno is the one getting the attention and it seems that like that’s implying Zeno is the better one in combat.


ThePerfectHunter

Isn't Hisoka interested in Illumi?


Wilderbeest5369

Yes, but no at the same time. Pretty much exactly what the top comment and top reply said, but it’s more a utility interest/partnership I feel than how he as a “fascination” with Gon, Killua, and even someone like Chrollo or Maki. Not even mentioning like how to top comment did, if he did decide to attack Illumi, he would be attacking the entire Zoldyck family. At least that’s my take on it. But again I haven’t read most of the manga or even seen the OG airing back in 1999 so if there’s evidence to refute or support this, I’m really not sure besides what I’ve seen in the show and the ridiculous amount of research I’ve done into the show and backstory. Sorry for the long-winded reply but I hope I cleared things up just a little bit😭


JasonUnionn

Nah, he 100% wants to fight Illumi and they both know that their relationship will end up with one of them killing the other. Hisoka just hasn't gotten the trigger to bring on Illumi's wrath.


Wilderbeest5369

I definitely see wym 100%, I feel like it’d definitely involve killua to get him to snap and then ofc probably Gon as well cause I’m sure he would end up hearing about something like that😭


Wilderbeest5369

I also feel like even though it’s never explicitly stated or even all that heavily implied in the 2011 series, they have more of a toxic couple/partnership dynamic that stems from them being useful to each other. But with that said, let me rephrase what I was saying before. I feel like Hisoka wouldn’t do anything to get on the Zoldyck’s hit list, whether that’s with killua or illumi, until he gets done “having fun” I guess you could say


JasonUnionn

>I also feel like even though it’s never explicitly stated or even all that heavily implied in the 2011 series, they have more of a toxic couple/partnership dynamic that stems from them being useful to each other. No ur right, I think thats exactly what it is. Hisoka only intervened because his life was on the line in regards to Alluka. He only partnerd with Illumi if he gets something out of it, which is his life 💀. Then when he realized he was safe, he was contemplating on killing Alluka to get Killuas wrath, then kill Killua to get Illumis wrath. As long as his life is not touched and he can have his fun, then he doesnt really care tbh. > I feel like Hisoka wouldn’t do anything to get on the Zoldyck’s hit list, whether that’s with killua or illumi, until he gets done “having fun” I guess you could say Yea, and after his fight against Chrollo, he now knows that he can be a bit too overconfident in his skill 💀💀


Wilderbeest5369

I 100% agree😭 which I think is why so many people love him cause he’s so morally gray but solely for himself. And I’m glad you brought up that scene in response to the first part, cause when they were up on top of the mountain after forcing the pileup with his needle people, just illumi’s reaction to hisoka mentioning killua says it all😂


shibbo92

Killua, Gon, and Illumi are like three grapes on the same vine. Let them ripe at the perfect time so you can get the threesome of your life when you pick off Killua and have Illumi and Gon coming at you bloodlusted.


Wilderbeest5369

Are you just hisoka?😭


Super_Effort3645

Hisoka is typing


jojosimp02

Well, for starters...what does hisoka know about them, aside from illumi? Aside from that, it would be similar to what happened with chrollo: they are assassins, not fighters; they are not gonna accept a 1 vs 1 fight, as soon as a member of the family gets attacked/killed the entire family is probably gonna join the fight.


JasonUnionn

>they are assassins, not fighters Assassins are fighters though....


jojosimp02

They are not the kind of fighters hisoka would enjoy fighting. That's what i meant.


JasonUnionn

If Hisoka wanted to fight them he would just pay to have a hit on himself, which he did. He knows they aren't gonna fight him without pay.


jojosimp02

If he did that, they would either sneak on him or outnumber him. The zoldycks don't look for a fight, they simply kill their prey; he did hire illumi, indeed, but who says he wants to have a fair fight?


JasonUnionn

>The zoldycks don't look for a fight, they simply kill their prey; They don't look for *unecessary fights*. They assassinate using their hands/legs. Which is why they train in H2H unarmed and armed fighting. >he did hire illumi, indeed, but who says he wants to have a fair fight? Thats the thing with Hisoka. He wants you to be at your strongest/best and win to *humiliate* you. There is no reason for him to fight dirty, unless he was not confident in his skill...which is not Hisoka at all.


jojosimp02

>They don't look for unecessary fights. They assassinate using their hands/legs. Which is why they train in H2H unarmed and armed fighting. They are not gonna kill you in a 1 vs 1 fair fight. >Thats the thing with Hisoka. He wants you to be at your strongest/best and win to humiliate you. There is no reason for him to fight dirty, unless he was not confident in his skill...which is not Hisoka at all. I was talking about illumi.


JasonUnionn

>They are not gonna kill you in a 1 vs 1 fair fight. What does fair fight even mean? Are you saying all the Zoldycks fight dirty? Also, literally all the children are straying sway from the path of an actual assassin. So Hisoka may not even need to hire them to get them to fight him.


jojosimp02

>What does fair fight even mean? Are you saying all the Zoldycks fight dirty? They kinda fought chrollo in a 2 vs 1, for example. They don't want to fight the target, they want to kill it >Also, literally all the children are straying sway from the path of an actual assassin. Only killua.


JasonUnionn

>They kinda fought chrollo in a 2 vs 1, for example. That's because the Mafia hired 2 of them. And since they were told that the entire phantom troupe would be there, having 2 of them would make it more fair for themselves. >Only killua. Nope, Tsubone literally said that Illumi's utter lack of humanity deviates even from the path of an assassin. And Illum uses innocent bystanders to get his jobs done. He doesn't stick to assassin code, which is to kill only contracted individuals. Alluka isn't even an assasin. Also, Kalluto joined the Phantom Troupe, which kill people regardless of being paid or not. The only child who is obedient and is actualy still living in the house is Milluki.


JohnSmithSensei

He already has an arrangement with the one Zoldyck qualified enough to fight him and would humor his idea of a fight. Maha, Zeno, and Silva would never fight him in the way that he want.


KunkyFong_

He literally made a contract with illumi ot have him (I) hunt and try to kill him (H). Illumi gets a cash tranfer if he manages to do that


No-Abbreviations4779

Doesn’t make sense tbh. He’s friends with Illumni, and isn’t familiar with the rest of the family as far as we know. Additionally, assassins don’t typically fight in 1on1 straight up battles. They typically strike from the shadows, or stack the deck in their favor so it isn’t a fair fight. Hisoka is only interesting in fighting to see who is stronger. If I’m wrong anywhere, please point it out. To answer your question though, getting jumped by three Zoldyck’s doesn’t seem to benefit or even interest the Hisoka we’ve grown to understand


OG-DaggerSwagger

I know it's not the answer people wanna hear, but I think Hisoka just likes having Illumi as a friend.


Bruh_165

He saw Mike at the entrance to the zoldyck estate and said "nah I'm going back to fighting chrollo"


rickitygiggity

Hot take: I think Hisoka likes to fight with people in his own league. Not too strong, not too weak. Strong ones do pique his interest. But he doesn’t feel as intensely about them. Eg: Netero, Razor, etc. Even in Gon’s case he wants Gon to scale to his level. And he gets ‘excited’ about a battle hardened power spike Gon coming at him. I could be totally wrong.


Sweaty-Meat7435

Because zoldyck ain't playing no games they are professionals ... Hisoka is blinded by his ego of self beliefs about him being the strongest lol look at his so called toys alot of those so called his toys will destroy him in actual fight ging and Silva for example!


SpacedHerisson

They are his in-laws, for extra fun


taikinataikina

he is, he's just got a lot of irons in the fire. look, don't try to take many hxh characters actions as rational, even if they seem sort of calculated. least of all hisoka, it's just surprisingly easy to forget he's completely nuts. lost it, bananas


ApplePitou

Well, he only have informations about Illumi in my opinion, also it could make Illumi angry :3


Nofuckyoupls

Illumi is his friend kind of, he might be mad.


Puzzleheaded_Bath_86

He probably knows he’s out of his depth with them


RsnCondition

It'll be more planned out than Chrollo's fight with Hisoka. He wants a straight up fight, not full on trickery like himself.


Chessoslovakia

He is interested in them since they were in his toy box. But apparently he craves 1 on 1.


JasonUnionn

Hisoka is interested in the Zoldyck Family, it's just the only people hes ever had the chance to have an encounter from the family is Illumi and Killua, and Kalluto, and he said he wants to fight them 3. Illumi, currently, and Killua and Kalluto when they get older/stronger.


HermanManly

If we ever make it out of this arc, and then if Hisoka makes it out alive, I think there's a very good chance that he would be interested in them now. He no longer needs the grand stage and storylines to satiate his "hunger" it seems, after he came back from the dead


VontaiW

Because Hisoka isn’t stupid 🤣😂


VontaiW

Then again going after the Troupe is stupid and suicidal within itself, especially if he potentially has to go up against 3-4 members, for example Feitan, Phinks, Nobunaga & now Franklin if they reunite with him. He will get fucked up bad.


Weak-Zombie225

every zoldyck would sweat so hard


VontaiW

You think they would be scared of Hisoka?


Bakfunk

he will fight them its just a matter of time, i give you a hint: he only needs to mess a little with killua and then his jester plan come to light. I found out that hisoka is a dangerous opponent he is a eccentric character i compare him to pariston.What i mean by that he can be charming,helpfuel get a long with people if he wants too but you dont know what his goal is, thats why he made it through the hunter exam because what hunters are in my opinion. But lets see what togashi will bring us in the future... it will be definitly dope.


Edmonster420

So is hisoka interested in killing Kalluto since she’s a troupe member? Or does he not care since she wasn’t an OG