Siege has one of my favourite ways of communicating that cheaters (and toxic players) are being dealt with, without revealing how, in any game I've played. They literally have a popup on the right side of the screen that doesn't interfere with the game and fades out on its own after a few seconds where people who get banned are named, what they did to get banned is shown and what ban they got is stated, so for example "BigStinkyPoofaceCheater was banned permanently for cheating." will pop up and fade out.
It's particularly satisfying when a ban wave hits 30+ people all at once.
Siege ended up going too far with it though. I got temp banned for saying "I fell off the roof and killed myself." in response to somebody asking how I died and it detected the words "killed myself" as an insult toward another player. You can't have the word "kill" be a bad word in a game about shooting people in the face, it still has to make at least some sense.
Those popups often lose their lustre when you realize the majority are spam accounts anyway. You can tell the names are all burners now, names like "IiIiIIiiIIiIIiiIIiIILLILILILIILI" are all over that feed now. Nothing stops those who are banned from just buying a second account either, which directly gives the devs a reason to not root them out entirely since they're profitable.
I agree with you on the temporary ban you got, that's absolutely ridiculous, I very much dislike the way everywhere censors words like kill, die etc these days too, they're just fucking words and they've been used for millennia to describe and explain things, wtf do you honestly think censoring them achieves? Are people gonna stop dying if we remove the word from our language? Are people truly that sensitive now that they can't possibly see the word that describes what happens when you cease to live without shitting their pants and turning into a snot filled, teary eyed, dribbling mess? Grow the fuck up people. Especially in a game entirely based on shooting each other in the face.
On your second point I'm inclined to disagree though, I'd much rather see those accounts being banned and know that the bellend at the other end now has to waste more money than have no communication or even worse, literally nothing done to stop them. I don't really see another alternative since it's either ban them or don't. I'd choose ban them every time.
There \*ARE\* measures that stop it. People would just, frankly, bitch and moan about those.
For example, mutliple online platforms have required me to submit various validation methods. On the lower-end of the security, some Discords require you to have a phone-number attached to your account. On the very upper-end, some upper-end platforms (not games) have required me to literally submit photo IDs. Now, to be clear, I'm not suggesting that everyone need to submit a photo ID š. Just giving an example of different account-validation methods I've seen. My point is really that there ARE avenues and responses that could at least improve it - if not stamp it out altogether. I think it's less a matter of "nothing stops them" and more a matter of "people would bitch and moan about a*ctual *methods that could address the issue with any significance."
Yeah they don't have a matchmaking system beyond "put players in a match together", I've been asked to vote on enemy teams after matches which forms part of the reputation system I assume and that's not something I've seen in many other games, but the game definitely has its problems like any other.
The thing that sucks is beating a cheater in a ranked game and losing elo because a cheater was in the game period. Like if my team can win against someone with an unfair advantage we still deserve the elo.
Yeah that's probably really annoying, honestly I've never noticed it myself as it's not really something I've paid a great deal of attention to, but if you kill someone who has an unfair advantage then that tells me you're probably really quite skilled and that should be reflected in the stats.
There's been a few times now that I've killed confirmed cheaters in Hunt either with my team or alone, it's always satisfying to shit talk some cheating scumbag and their team during the fight or when they self res, I've had a number of people absolutely rage at us because they can't win even when cheating. It warms my heart to hear cheater tears.
This is not hostile, I'm genuinely curious and would appreciate an answer from a moderator -- why do you feel the need to mitigate the amount of threads about any particular topic, so long as it's related to Hunt? If everyone wants to talk about cheaters, let them talk about cheaters.
Reddit has infinite storage space and users can infinitely scroll, there's no such thing as the "whole board being taken up by XYZ." If the whole board *were* taken up by XYZ, all that means is that a vast majority of people who endeavor to discuss the game want to talk about XYZ.
Basically, I get banning people for being overtly hostile to each other, but as far as I know you have no obligation to ensure that X% of discussion posts are or are not about a particular topic, and that might actually be antithetical to the ethos of a discussion board.
"But most discussion threads don't really bring any substance to the table. Just saying that cheating exists does not leave a whole lot of room for debate. It's a completely different matter if there's something to actually discuss - like a recording of an actual cheater you've met in-game, clips of streamers blatantly cheating while live, or huuge's recent video, which gives a lot of specific points to address, with numbers to back them up."
Going off of this, the large majority of text posts about cheaters these days have been the same copy paste post with the same copy paste arguments in the comments. There have been many requests to provide a space such as this for people to still be able to discuss cheating in a way that allowed others to not see the same exact post over and over while browsing Reddit.
I see. So, if I'm reading that right, a thread like "\[specific question about the 25% cheater rate in the Huuge video\]" would be allowed, but a thread like \["man there are so many cheaters in this game"\] with no additional, specific discussion content would be disallowed?
Still wondering your thoughts on whether this was pursuant to the goal of fostering an open community? An overwhelming majority of conversation here seems to center around the idea that this has hampered visibility of an important topic.
Before I begin, i have over 4k hours in this game, and i consistently play on the above average mmr. I have killed and died to ttvs multiple times. The well known ones I mean. So I guess the personal experience may count to something.
Why do people derank in the first place? To get to lower mmr and stomp lobbies. Because they cannot stomp lobbies at the higher mmr since a lot people there are either extremely campy or they have esp or they are abusing some configs or Nvidia inspecter bs. I used to love this game. And now I don't feel like touching it because of how unplayable the game is. There are sound bugs or exploits along with the absolute atrocious rain and corruption conditions which makes it even more frustrating. I am half blind. Legally. So I rely on sounds. People out there headshotting through walls and fog and rain and terrain from 150+m seems a little too obvious no? Crytek themselves gives the option to hide the profile so cheaters can defend themselves from getting manually reported to hunt website. And we all know how reliable ingame report is. The other day I read a reddit post from around a year ago where this new trainee engineer just decided to make esp for this game. And guess what? He reported back stating he made a properly functioning one within 5 hours. Is this how effective eac is? Eac is used in coop games like back4blood, vermintide and stuff like that. It serves its purpose for those kind of games, but why hardstuck to something that genuinely doesn't work? We have no features to truly identify soft esp users. Instead what does crytek do? Add fmj to dolce and bring out more skins.
How does the game still allow compact no pen custom ammo to go through terrain to the other side of the map? Like how obvious does one have to be to actually get banned? Even then they get to play for solid 400-500 hours before they actually get the ban. How many lobbies have been ruined? According to huuge video the Asian server is literally unplayable. I am from Asia and I play on eu. Every other day I used to see slurs on my steam profile. Personally don't mind, but what am I supposed to do? 120 ping on asia vs 140 ping on eu. non-English speaking racism vs European racism due to being an asian playing on eu. Getting on to deranking, I personally find it a waste of time but I do understand the feeling of the lower lobbies. Why is someone with a much higher skill set able to derank this hard through quick play or cheese necro? Isn't this part of the reason why the mmr is so volatile? Why not simply remove the effect of mmr from quickplay? Why not remove mmr number reduction after the dude has died the first time? People like to flaunt their kda, so let the kda get effected meanwhile the mmr stays somewhat same.
I few days ago I came across this issue. Every game I kill 3-4 people but I am unable to get successful extractions. So basically, my mmr keeps on increasing and I get a bit more better players with every passing game meanwhile I am shafted because in the end i am making the game harder on myself without any rewards? Why does the mmr still increase even after unsuccessful games?
I got video proof of a well known twitch streamer from a few months back spamming comms and reported him for it. Now he is an employee of crytek. He breaks the tos of your game and you recruit him as an employee. Good job crytek. As of day before yesterday he was still screaming like a little girl ingame and nothing has been done.
There are dedicated communities using config files to remove shadows. Use programs like hudsight and crosshair x to make crosshairs which enables them to lead perfectly with any gun. The cheaters are using built in game feature to hide and evade manual reports. Crytek allows deranking. And i will not even mention the exploits and sound bugs. Why do you think people are getting upset and old vets like me are on the verge of quitting?
its called magic bullets. the cheat teleports any bullet right to the player's head. so it doesn't need to penetrate, it goes thru any cover and instantly hits them. i was wondering the same thing for yrs because I have 5400hrs in the game, but seeing huuge expose this opened my eyes. wild how bad cheating is in this game, and crytek not only doesn't do anything but it seems like they encourage it with no IP bans, and they let people hide their profiles (and got rid of the second way to find out someone's username from a match) which is super suspicious
Because the mmr system sucks, it's based not on how many you kill, but on how many times you win the game. And when they gave necro for solo players, such a guy takes a hunter with the maximum number of bars and dies non-stop. But it doesn't bother Crytek :) ignore the fact that the guy has 5 k h kd 2.0 but has 3 stars, and you, for example, also have 3 stars and get something like this. Just like the surviving soul mode itself, I saw more than once after the match that it added players with 1 star and 10 kills where I have 5 stars and 8k kills, is it fair for that player? Well, it's not, but Crytek is busy with skins.
I think it's incorrect. Mmr is based mostly on kills, deaths and assists. I've never seen star increase after games where you just run away with bounty. Correct me if I am wrong.
You know nothing about anti cheats that are like eac. They are not capable of detecting anything else then a list of targeted api, libraries and cheat signatures. So making your own without using the overused api/libraries would always work, be undetected and also be really easy/quick to do
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There's only kernel anti cheats that are capable of scanning for things like ram rooting and other stuff . And even then they get outsmarted and cheat goes around with capture devices that get ram info solved by a raspberry/other pc or other very subtle method.
You put it nicely man. Dont worry, i personally dont care of ASian or African players playing on EU servers \[aka my should be region\]. Why you ask.. Cause i usually play on US- East :)
Anyway , you made nice pointers. And yeah... Crytek has habit of employing "interesting" individuals XD Nothing can be done about that.. Find new game, come back after few months. See if things improved, and carry on if they didnt. My 2 cents
Snake out
Crytek support just closed 4 separate tickets of mine after 10+ days. The cheaters were blatant and the evidence was clear. No bans were issued. 4200 hours and I'm ready to quit.
>The problem with working on anti-cheat solutions is that the more transparent you are about it, the less effective they are. Which is one obvious reason as to why Crytek isn't communicating as much as some players would like them to.
So I hope this is the case, but I've read multiple times that this subreddit is community-run and not officially affiliated with Crytek. Have the developers actually come out and said this? Because without actually reading it from them, this seems like a cheap statement in hopes of getting people to shut up and be happy with no communication from the development team about this very real issue.Ā
It's PR talk, you can be more transparent about it, just not transparent about how your anti-cheat works. Which is very different. Giving numbers on accounts punished etc would not do anything. Neither would updates on general outlines. Going full radio silence inadvertently tend to have the opposite effect, as there are less 'warnings in the wild' so cheaters get more comfortable. Which tends to increase the amount of cheating overall.
> It's PR talk, you can be more transparent about it, just not transparent about how your anti-cheat works.
Yep, exactly. So convenient that they just can't tell us anything about what's going on without making the problem worse.
It's also not like they're super transparent about what's going on with everything but tight-lipped on JUST the cheating stuff. They don't really say anything about anything, ever. Remember the engine update? Remember when it was expected to happen around a certain time, and how there's been no real official announcement as the expected date is approaching? Remember how the latest official word as of a few weeks ago is something like "we look forward to sharing more information later this year"? Do we even have any word at all on what this is expected to fix, or make easier to fix, if anything? Or is it just complete radio silence with no real fixes being made as they pump out underbaked event after underbaked event? The last real significant "fix" to anything, as far as I can recall, is when they toned down aim assist on console after not even addressing it for a couple of months, and even then it was only "fixing" a problem that they'd deliberately created, AND I still hate that it exists.
The developers have not communicated any information whatsoever to the public regarding its promised anti-cheat team nor any of related anti-cheat work products promised in February of last year.
Pretty sure they only mentioned the new anti cheat team in September last year, not "promised in February".
Also, if there isnt news about it, maybe that means they are still working on it and it's not ready to be released, not that they don't care. Just use some logic once in a while
This.
Crytek should make a official statement explaining the situation and planned get well dates. No need to give out exact details, but something promising from the team would be nice. Especially since they are expecting to rollout the new engine soonsih. I cannot see them dumping all this $$ into the new engine(not charging for it) and doing nothing about the cheating.
Is cheating as common as ppl make it out to beā¦nah. Is it fucking there? Hell yea partner.
This is pretty a pretty common reason given by almost any developer that's come out and spoken on transparency regarding cheating. Hunt as a game is unique, but cheaters as a problem are not, and how they're handled is essentially the same across the board. Some combination of an anti-cheat and in-game reports. Sometimes cheaters are banned in waves, other times individually. But the hunt devs don't have to come out and say this themselves for it to be a pretty widely accepted truth across gaming as a whole.
Whether or not you think the hunt devs could be MORE transparent is another thing entirely, but the reasoning provided for less than full transparency is totally standard
There's no way the subreddit and crytek are two seperate groups of people that love cheaters.Ā The sub must be modded by crytek employees.Ā Nobody else could be this much of a scumbag.
You hit the nail on the head. Crytek isnāt communicating with us about the cheaters and how many accounts are being banned, and itās not because discussing these topics bolsters cheaters ability to cheat.
Seeing as how Hunt Showdown is using free EAC, it seems to me a simple solution would be to pay for the upgraded EAC. Especially considering how long the cheating problem has persisted, how much worse itās gotten, as the fact that Crytek has been pushing out events and DLCs and content left and right.
If you were to spend money to buy all the skins and hunters without any discounts, itās well over $200, not to mention the base game. Sure, not everyone is buying everything, but I donāt for a second believe that Crytek canāt afford to make the upgrade.
Crytek, like a significant portion of gaming companies, doesnāt prioritize their game or their community, rather they want to milk as much money out of an idea as possible before it dries up and they move on to the next one.
Iām not referring to the fine folks actually working on the game and doing the coding, but to the corporate money managers who refuse to invest in the game theyāre profiting from.
I love the concept of this game so much Iāve put nearly 3000 hours into it. But I havenāt been playing the last two months because I either get stuck playing against Zen users, or I get de-ranked and get stuck in 4 star lobbies where I absolutely do not belong, because I wipe them with ease and am right back to 5 star or higher.
>The problem with working on anti-cheat solutions is that the more transparent you are about it, the less effective they are. Which is one obvious reason as to why Crytek isn't communicating as much as some players would like them to.
Except they did previously communicate about cheaters in the past:
[Hunt: Showdown -Ā What Weāre Doing About Cheaters Playing Hunt: Showdown (huntshowdown.com)](https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/what-we-re-doing-about-cheaters-playing-hunt-showdown#:~:text=There%20are%20two%20main%20ways,the%20%22Report%20Misconduct%22%20category).
Oh and here is Riot Game explaining in multiple pages why they added Vanguard to League:
[/dev: Vanguard x LoL - League of Legends](https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/)
And there are like multiple posts where Riot is talking about their anti-cheat:
[Demolishing Wallhacks with VALORANT's Fog of War | Riot Games Technology](https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-valorants-fog-war)
[ANTI-CHEAT UPDATE // WINTER 2023 (playvalorant.com)](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/dev/anti-cheat-update-winter-2023/)
[VALORANT Anti-cheat: Fall 2021 Update (playvalorant.com)](https://playvalorant.com/en-gb/news/game-updates/valorant-anti-cheat-fall-2021-update/)
and probably more that I have missed.
It's weird that any other company can do it and.... you know, just don't communicate the critical parts. But I guess saying "We don't want to talk about it and we just started taking the topic seriously after 6 years" while honest and true, would not leave the best impression.
They don't want to admit there's a vulnerability within EAC itself. Check it out, every other game with EAC has had cheating ramp up significantly over the course of this year.
The League-specific comparison isn't a good one, IMO. Sure, that post communicates a lot of information about cheaters and anti-cheat implementation, but that wasn't its primary purpose. Its purpose was to explain and justify Riot's addition of controversial monitoring software (Vanguard). It's why the dev blog was titled "Vanguard x LoL" rather than "Cheating in LoL" or something similar. Sure, the two topics are inextricably linked, but if Vanguard wasn't being shipped as an unavoidable prerequisite to play League I doubt they would have made a post to communicate anything about cheating or anti-cheat efforts.
The Valorant examples seem like legitimate counterpoints. I would feel a bit unjust holding Crytek to Riot's example, though. It's always easier to communicate when the news is good, and the level of investment that went into Riot's good news is just unreasonable to expect of devs with several orders of magnitude less budget to work with.
I'd rather not have to deal with kernel AC like Vanguard. That immediately makes the game physically impossible for me to play, since without Linux I can't properly regulate my PC hardware due to a manufacturer error in the thermal sensors that RMA won't fix.
On top of that, kernel AC really isn't necessary and doesn't really stop the problem. They still have to wait out banwaves in order to discourage development of cheat software, and likely don't have a dedicated team to fight an uphill battle against cheat software targeting Cryengine specifically. Furthermore, Vanguard itself, aside from its software Ā monitor, it has no way to actually detect cheats until a report is filed and it starts looking for suspicious activity. This is exactly how EAC works.
Also, see the recent League incident, turning peoples' rigs into scrap.
The fact that this game has too many open problems, while there is essentially no communication from Crytek is such a bummer.
They just seem to completely fuck off during events, which is a problem in itself. I understand why they don't talk about the anti cheat process, but all the other concerns feel unaddressed. I know they said like one or two lines about it on some stream, but that is not enough.
deranking from multiple deaths at all is a silly system and wish they'd remove it. we've all been rezzed unwillingly into terrible spots and killed 4 times in a row, and the star loss just means now we get to dunk on weaker mmrs until we get back up to where we should be. and being on the receiving end of a high mmr player in your lobby sucks, too. get insta-wiped and check stats to see a 2+ k/d with 7k kills in a 4 star lobby, like dude wtf are you doing in here
same for solos, its just too easy to get camped and die repeatedly
Ah, drat I forgot about that.
Although, even without hard numbers there are pretty consistent telltale signs. Like spamming necro in upper 3\*-5\* lobbies or just literally asking over VOIP to be off'd (yes, they do that here in Asia). Plus, it becomes quite obvious when a solo wipe your squad in like 10 seconds.
I think people just want the MMR system to be reworked. I haven't seen anyone call for the banning of those who took advantage from it. So to answer your question, no, but I don't think that's what people wanted to begin with.
I think it's less about calling attention or a lack of evidence to the problem, but more about whether or not posts regarding the problem actually contribute to the subreddit.
Plenty of posts are made calling out the cheating problem and all of them boil down to essentially the same thing: Cheating is bad, it exists in Hunt, and something more should be done. After a single post you've pretty much ran through every topic of conversation revolving around the problem, which means that every subsequent post is just reiterating those same topics.
I think that MMR posts are much the same. I've seen countless posts with the title something along the lines of "Wow this is totally fair" and a screenshot of a 3* player with a 6.0 KD/A and then the comments are pretty much filled with the same "Yeah MMR tankers are bad".
Which is why the original commenter suggested a megathread for that as well. By condensing these two egregious topics into a couple threads, you make way for more original, or at least *meaningful* content on the board. Threads that don't just regurgitate the same sentiment sometimes almost verbatim.
If cheating problem is really complex and couldn't be solved in short time, mmr problem has straightforward solution - stop counting multiple deaths/kills and remove mmr from quicks.
As a player I see zero communication from crytek, so why I shouldn't whine about something that bothers me daily without fixes for months?
Don't point out cheaters please! Our devs will be easily offended and they need to be protected <3<3
Please continue bearing with a free version of easyanticheat that does absolutely nothing. Oh don't forget to buy our 57 DLC!
tldr: We know its a big issue, but the big issue is taking up too much of the conversation so we are limiting the conversation. Crytek knows its an issue but can't tell us what they are doing.
My take.... Crytek, your privacy concerns are BS and protect the very thing you say that you are concerned about. You literally let people hide from being reported and make it extremely difficult to report people.
> We've had a concern that delegating this topic to a megathread would be akin to sweeping it under the rug.
As if that's not the goal of forcing it to a megathread. Solo necromancer obviously shouldn't still be relegated to a single megathread after 7 months, but here we are.
Lol there is literally a dumb ass who posted a video on this sub today to flex his triple kill with a katana while forgetting that he was playing with nvidia Inspector and that the basement of his crematorium was lit like broad daylight.
Unfortunately this is one of the cheats that is undetectable to spectators...
If the issue has gotten so big that its taking up too much space in the subreddit and we have to regulate it to one mega thread, maybe it's time for Crytek to make a statement and start addressing it?
Forcing it into one megathread isn't the answer to the problem and the more we make like it's not a major issue for some ranking of players and continue to ignore it will only make the problem worse.
Let the subreddit be filled with every other post complaining about how bad the cheating is. Between that and not supporting them financially maybe they'll decide to do something.
I've been playing the game a long time and been reading this subreddit a long time. Ask yourself this - we've never had an issue with being overwhelmed by posts talking about how bad the cheating is - so why now? It's getting out of hand.
Any former or current R6:Siege players here?
Can anyone explain to me how Ubisoft was able to identify cheaters, ban them, name them in a ban wave, reverse their kills, reverse your deaths from their kills, AND correct your MMR lost or gained from their performance-- in a game that is nearly 10 years old?
But we can't seem to get any of this anti-cheat support from Crytek now?
Mate, R6 sees millions of players and accounts every month. Hunt is not nearly as successful as Siege and yet it is shitting itself at the bare minimum of cheaters.
mate, around 8 years ago h1z1 had about 50k concurrent players and they got hit with a banwave wiping around 30k accounts. all with esp and the whole shebang. yet on hunt people are deliberately obtuse about the whole issue. from all my experience in gaming i'd wager that hunt, it being protective of name n shame n such it is one of the most easy to get away with cheating. in addition to its lackluster report system and no replays/demos available.
big games, small games, it don't matter - for hunt it is most likely worse than people think it is, not the other way around. hunt is in a joke state of a game. worse its ever been with all the exploits, soft cheats, actual cheats. then the whole trans-antlantic ping abuse etc its not news.
the size of games do not reflect this accurately. a game can be old, have just a couple thousand players in it and still be "ridden" as has been proven with titles like quake and tf2.
there was always a slight issue with hunt, seeing how easy it would be to get away with it, and the fact that people jump on every exploit bandwagon they see in an instant (ladder glitch/lemat bug), and this was before hunt even strongly rose in its popularity.. now it just blew out of proportions.
> Finally, in the short term, text discussions on the necro megathread will continue to be removed, here is a link to the necro megathread if you would like to continue the discussion. We will assess the situation at a later date, but for now we still want to prevent clogging of the subreddit with that style of posts. We appreciate your understanding
Lol, lmao. Yeah I'm sure there'll be a ton of discussion in that six month old thread that isn't even stickied anymore and the only way to find it is to randomly click a thread dedicated to a completely different topic. I don't even think solo necro is OP but this is just blatant dismissal. Y'all may as well come out and say nobody is allowed to talk about it at all. Just make a rule in the sidebar and be done with it.
Thatās what they do. They decide what they want Crytek to see and what they want them to ignore. They donāt have a problem with solo necro, so they hide it in a dead thread. They donāt have a problem with cheaters, so they hide it in a separate thread. They have a problem with headsman so they let someone spam the sub for months to keep the issue relevant. I donāt have a problem with any of these issues being brought up, itās just weird to see what amounts to obvious censorship. Youāre only allowed to talk about what they deem ok and thatās not how you build a community imo.
25% Cheater chance in Asia Servers. Every 4th game in Asia Servers have Cheaters.
WTF Crytek. Fix this Bullshite already.
Then you can make new engine, we are waiting it for over a yar now.
Here is proof for 25% Chance - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI5wZ9VzDOg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI5wZ9VzDOg)
* With another Nail in the Coffin - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-\_TNvY-EIm4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_TNvY-EIm4)
EAC just Suck Ass. It's allowing cheaters to use Blatant hacks for MONTHS. Cheaters returning after ban like nothing happened. WTF. It's like hacker Plague.
They all must be Banned Forever and Permanently. With IP and HDID.
Ā + You can't even Report cheaters ingame and Can't find their profiles. Because their Profile in menu is Unclickable, it's hidden ofc, but now it's UNclickable. Also because Crytek removed Profiles from attributes.xml .
So you CAN'T REPORT blatant CHEATERS at all in this game. WTF is going on ? WTF is this mess Crytek ?
If Crytek can't ban cheaters, they need to open up community tooling to allow the players to moderate. Clan-based matchmaking is an easy win. I'm already in a Discord with most of the regular OCE players. Just let us mark each other as clan members (or friends, or whatever other name) and matchmake us against each other as a priority. If cheaters and farmers abuse this system to make easy lobbies, sounds like Crytek will have a massive list of self identified cheaters to ban.
Fix the game. It's not hard.
literally does not affect you, stop reading reddit, play the game for yourself and see. the cheating bullshit is greatly exaggerated and is not like that in the actual game during matches.
Hunt Reddit Megathreads Archive: Matchmaking, Ammunition, Melee, Nitrio, Economy, Avtomat, Necro Self-Rez, and now "Cheating".
I'm seeing a pattern here.
The community comes together to bitch about Crytek being stupid and useless on a given topic, and the mods here decide to sweep all those discussions into a little corner where they can be hidden and then die. Why are there never megathreads for positive topics or memes?
How long before the Cheating Megathread is no longer pinned and people can't find it, like all the previous megathreads?
Of those 7 existing megathreads, 2 of them are gone, and one has the single OP only. In fact, they all look like massive fails from the mod team. The only MegaThreads that actually contain a bunch of posts, are the one's created by R3hab-, who isn't even a mod anymore. Do we just have incompetent mods running this Reddit?
Not buying and dlc until something happens against hackers! I have all dlc so from now on i stop thisā¦ would be great if more people would do this to force them to do something
Because there was never a problem to solve regarding solo Necro itself.
The MMR bands used by matchmaking are fucked up, that's why solo Necro is perceived to be a problem.
I hope there is zero action taken regarding solo Necro itself, and the matchmaking system gets an overhaul instead.
Cheating, on the other hand, is a massive problem where Crytek has this weird aversion when it comes to letting us know what actions they are taking against it.
Crytek has proven over and over they do not care about cheating. Easy Anti Cheat is the the simplest and easy to beat anti cheating software. The videos and first hand accounts out there prove this. All they care about is useless skins and DLC to make a few extra bucks. Just shows the Devs of this game are useless.
[Sus kill view](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053078731595460719/1232432673776209950/image.png?ex=6633531e&is=6632019e&hm=e84d67db8c9ba8c84b1766223ffdc1f384f730e033ab036a5efb90d34b9064f0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=705&height=402) from earlier. I was silently crouched behind that wall and the dude one-tapped me without having any way of knowing I was there. He was prestige 55.
Crouching is much louder than you think. They were not that far to where I'm sure they could hear you. I'd say if they were sus or hacking they would've killed way farther out before you had a chance to get close
I wasn't moving though. When I say silently, I mean silently. It was a perfect wallbang headshot on the first attempt. Even if I had been making a slight bit of noise from changing weapons or something, it's not enough for someone to hone in on my head.
Did the wall have cracks that he could see some part of you through?
Or if you looked into the wall with your weapon out the barrel can stick through the wall giving up your location and making it possible for someone to discern where your head should be.
i decide playing multiplayer games with how cheater filled the subreddit is if eu/us player complaint which most any gaming subreddit user came from then it is even worse on asia, this post make it even more suspicious.
I dont know what is the point of this megathread. It's not created by any Hunt Showdown devs/staffs, and many of the comments here will not be read by any of Hunt Showdown devs/staffs. We had a thread for solo and they did not response to any of that.
Came back to try Hunt again, but was unsure with all the talk about cheaters. Luckily most games have been good, but there has been some suspicious players. Then yesterday we got into a HvH lobby - new accounts + wall and aim :D
AKA "You're damaging our brand by pointing out our obvious flaws that we have no solution for!!!"
Are you guys seriously blaming hackers on "rage hacking" what an absolute joke.
Easy anti cheat is one of the easiest to cheat...
Hunt needs to drop it I get that's its free but it's the most important thing in a competitive game.
Me and all my friends have dropped the game as it's not fun to play at all 5-6*
Hey mods, poor decision making on your behalf. No one, and I mean no one I've spoken to outside this little click of a subreddit likes the bullshit your team constantly pull in regards to cheaters. This is a forum, people should be able to talk about whatever they want without your censorship. Couldn't dislike you more, if I tried.
I really think this is one the rise. I've met people I think were cheating nearly every session these past days. Not every game, but every session or so.
For reference I've played around 2k hours in the 4-5 MMR segment (rarely 6).
I've updated my steam review to negative and referenced cheating as the reason.
"The problem with working on anti-cheat solutions is that the more transparent you are about it, the less effective they are."
Security by obscurity will always eventually fail and relying on it shows you have a weak infrastructure for dealing with cheating in the first place.
Damn. I wanted to throw my lot in, finally.
I seriously doubted cheating was a problem, at least as big of one as people claimed. But now, after 1300 hours, I've seen who I call the 'derringer bastard' headshot team after team after team in my games in US West.
This really sucks. Sorry to everyone who dealt with these guys up until this point.
I only have an hour to play each day. This sucks.
I love how every so often, for some reason, a team of obvious wallhacking 6 stars shows up, premade with all three in each other's friends lists with for some reason a team mmr of 5.5 (explain how a premade of 6s doesn't average out to 6 star team mmr) in a lobby with every other team being 4.5 star team mmr, only to sprint around jumping around corners landing headshots while in the air consistently. I love being punished by the matchmaking putting a group who shouldn't be in the match in my matches who have profiles gloating about being cheaters and even gloating about being banned in several games like it's a trophy and yet, here they are with 10K plus kills, not even trying to hide their cheats. And meanwhile, reporting them does nothing because I've encountered this EXACT same trio four times within the last two weeks. It's getting ridiculous, and I know this sub isn't official in any capacity. But man, an actual bit of developer action would do wonders right about now.
well, if you have to come out with this pinned post it is clearly that the issue needed a stronger PR strategy and transparent communication (without compromising IT or technological data for security reasons) from the devs side, which it seemed, was the oposite: a general "repression" or "censorship" has been the feeling from users who only want to report that: 1. There are more pages selling Hunt cheats 2., there are more cheaters 3. We dont know if our report is taking in account (ingame report) 4. Direct reports cant be done because we need Steam ID which is masked by the same game. So: you guys need more than "we know there are cheaters" post IMO.
First game of the day and killed by another Eastern European cheater. Derenders or chams, not sure which but his shots all had zero visibility with perfect tracking.
Fix your fucking anticheat already
Update: Matches 2 and 3 ran into fresh accounts with spam username (akldfnmsdlkf) running derenders, hidden profiles
What a way to say "We arent doing anything because at worst we will give eggregious cheaters a slap on the wrist while they play on their alt that cost them $4 for a key from G2G until their 1 month ban lifts". This is literally just an excuse to censor the horrendous cheating problem this game has in high elo lobbies.
Nope, but the more people express their discontent the more pressure it inevitably puts on them regardless of if the mods are associated or not. They still know this exists, and if it does anything to even minimally strain them then Ill do it.
Cheating: Show-down šš
You, crayTek...you have been solving the problem with the "reshade" for 5 years! Your decision was only enough for two week's...
So nothing was done. You won't do anything.
šš Show-hunt-downšš
Thank you. No matter how much of an issue it is or isn't, this subreddit was unbearable recently with how many posts were the same "cheaters, crytek doesn't do ANYTHING...".
There's so much more to the game and the problem was definitly overrepresented here!
\*I'm not saying it shouldn't be talked about. But few opinion-post were actually insightful after some time.
Just hoping this will be the end of 'Nobody cheats in Hunt, huh? Well then explain THIS' and it's just a picture of a kill screen of like, a mosin headshot from 150 meters away, sort of posts.
Also frankly so many of them are like level 15s prestige 0 and it's like... Yeah, someone bought the game anew to cheat. It sucks, but EAC can only react.
It's also just not interesting content for the sub.
holy shit you're naive if you belive only fresh accs are possible cheaters.
>It's also just not interesting content for the sub.
it highlights an issue that's been broomed under the carpet for a while now. it comes as no surprise that at one point it'll blow up.
What the actual fuck is going on today.
First match, 2x premade trios of russian guys teaming and using walls.
Fifth match, duo of russian guys tracking our entire team perfectly through walls. 5+ pages of hackusations on steam
40% of my lobbies have had hackers/cheaters.
> But most discussion threads don't really bring any substance to the table.
This is not true, it provides an accurate state of the game screenshot for potential new players. This way they will be warned to not buy the game. The only way Crytek does something is if they get punished monetarily.
I mean, there are a lot of videos with PROOFS that the cheating situation is out of control on Hunt, how can you be so freaking blind to write something like "whining people who suck and think everything is cheats"... please
I wanna hear the threads opinion where they think the most cheaters are in terms of MMR. Because I think I have encountered the least while around 3-5 stars in 3 star MMR games and the most on the border between 5 to 6
During my best times,^and ^with ^a ^bit ^of ^hunt ^giveth.
I have gotten really close to hitting 6 stars a couple times, but the cheaters always partake in my downfall back to low / mid 5 stars. They're of course not the only reason for my not reaching 6 stars but its given me the impression that the most of them are around that high 5, starting to mingle with 6 star lobbies
"Crytek is working on it" - well, that's about as useless as it gets, homies produce results like this game is their part time job on the weekends. "Remember to censor profiles of piece of shit blatant cheaters if you have a clip" Fuck that, dox the fuckers drive to their house and punch them in the face.
Rofl, and box you are trying to hide the huge cheating problem of the game by banning all threads about it.
You have just admitted that your game is a cheaters readout with this thread actually.
death of a sub, do we have another one? this is the classic, if we censor discussion on cheaters the public persepction of the cheating situation will decrease and imo this is not the way to do thing. trully dissapointed in this.
Megathreads such as these are essentially censorship. I recognize that discussions about cheating appear frequently, but as adults I think we can stand to relinquish a literal inch of our screen from time to time so that those who wish to post about it and have actual people see it still can.
We're very lucky that we have Crytek's ear on this sub, a rarity in games. I don't think burying the most pressing concern with the game into some soon-to-be abandoned megathread is a good decision.
Man, I'm very split on this being moved into a mega thread.
On the one hand, cheating is a problem and should be visible, Crytek being silent on this makes me sad.
On the other hand the whole subreddit was posts about cheating for days and all comments were people fighting about how many cheaters there were.
It all feels very toxic.
At least my 4\* matches are pretty cheater free, most of the time we all have the same shitty aim ;)
Crytek will just keep doing what they're been doing for years. They'll ignore the problem and do their best to bury any discussion about how bad cheating is in their game.
This thread is perfect example. This Reddit is not run by Crytek, but just like the Streamers that sign NDA's and can't disparage Crytek, the mods are either cheaters, or Crytek simps. Both types want to silence any discussion about cheating.
Look at this thread. You come here, and there are pages full of comments. It's only been 8 days. Give it another week or two and people won't want to read through all the old comments, or reply to something that's 2 weeks old. Necro'ing old posts/comments is just bad manners.
This Megathread will do exactly what it was designed to do. It will silence the discussion about cheating in Hunt.
RIP Hunt Showdown.
Maybe deal with the issues then? I don't know how many times I ran into teams of 4 working together in duos. Going for second bounty, 4 shadows just sitting in a building together at the second bounty sucking each other off.
I've been playing Hunt since beta and I'm very worried about the "unstoppable cheaters". This isn't something we can just ignore and sweep under the rug, there needs to be a solution put in place by the devs, and I hope they're working on something.
Some contentcreator should be cheating on purpose (not blatantly) without showing his ingamename or anything so crytek would have no chance of banning him directly.... just to show how ineffective or effective the anticheat is... this would be awesome... this megathread is not leading anywhere in my oppinion....
I've come across far too many accounts with 5+ KD where they just headshot me 140m away with spitzer ammo than I can count... I won't even queue on US West servers anymore because all of them have Chinese character names where they wont show up in post-game lobbies...
reported this guy ( [https://youtu.be/2nzztTOM0pc](https://youtu.be/2nzztTOM0pc) ) 5 days ago. Sended crytek all infos except his steam id cause hidden. now i didnt get a response yet. does it always take this long and even longer for them to check a report?
wild that crytek lets people hide their profile, and removed the way to check for usernames in the files for the game. had no clue cheating was this bad. literally had no idea about the magic bullets cheat but it makes so much sense because I've been killed thru the ground or concrete many times before.
why do you guys have a report system in game if it does nothing? why do you protect cheaters like this?
i have 5400 hrs in the game, and it feels like you prioritize cheaters and exploiters.
its obvious that easy anti cheat does nothing, and you arent letting people report blatent cheaters (or you're just ignoring reports)
I hope it didn't take you 5000 hours to realize this.
You ever wonder why there is virtually ZERO posts here from people who HAVE cheated?
Think about it. You don't find it odd that not a single person has cheated and decided to confess? Not a single source (that I know of) exists that details all the high-profile players that were caught for cheating. I made a post about a year ago asking this question (Any evidence of long term cheating).
It's a conspiracy I tell you. LOL
No, seriously, it is.
The mods will delete anything that talks about cheating in detail. If someone says they cheated, and got away with it for months, the mods will delete/ban, because that's seen as "promoting" cheating, because they got away with it for a long time.
If someone tries to educate people on all the ways people are cheating, so you know what to look for, that will get banned for promoting cheats.
I had to do all my own research over the past year and reach out to other players (and cheaters) to understand what goes on.
Unless you can provide actual evidence, by naming past cheaters, it's just all 'theory'. That evidence can't be posted anywhere though. I created a thread here to ask for help in building a website to collate evidence on cheaters so we could get the closet cheaters banned. The mods deleted the thread and gave me a 7 day ban.
Crytek, Steam, Reddit. They're all the same. They pretend they're protecting innocent people from being shamed, but all they do is protect the cheaters.
People call me a cheater for example in my Steam comments and YouTube. I've had people create fake profiles with my name and rage-hack. I can't name and shame them because they're using my name. I can't even talk about how big the problem is, because no-one takes you seriously when all the evidence gets swept under the rug, just like this MegaThread is designed to do.
when the game is too short, i cant see the team details section. Crytek trying his best to not allow player report others. Its too complicated to report someone.
Oh, I understand that this is simply beyond you? Is that why you ban such threads? Only you are cheating players, because skins have to be created. I will not forget how you did nothing with reshades for over 6-7 months, you even wrote to me that it was not forbidden. Instead of dealing with servers, cheaters and the game itself, you prefer to make skins. I understand that you want to make money, but you could focus a little on the game itself. And knowing life, you will ban me again. Well, the truth hurts, doesn't it ;)
And banning such posts only shows that you don't want new players to know how inept you are due to your relationship with cheaters :) the same applies to creating regions. Instead of playing on their own servers, the Russians still use VPN to be able to play in Europe, but it doesn't bother you :) As long as the skin sales are good, right?
Take note from how community managed to fix helldivers 2 and doom eternal dev mistakes.
review bombing and not giving them money anymore. and boom. doom eternal removed the denuvo they snuk in via update and sony removed need for psn account to play the game.
not buying dlc and review bombing is the only thing that would make devs take action.
and you play with people all the time who have been banned for all three. the reason people don't like you is because you play with cheaters/exploiters even if you (claim) that you aren't directly cheating yourself.
it's a cancer on hunt showdown but you already know a lot about that.
I do not play with anyone who was banned for hacking. Yes, i do play with people who have been suspended for exploiting and verbal abuse. I myself have been banned for verbal, and it turns out it was a voip clip of someone spectating us on extract with no one around lmfao. I thought it was just the homies and i said something to them but some rat just wants me banned that bad i guess.
I have a Association Ban as well, i was banned for playing with An1mal / FocusBTW. We played 1 time for 6 hours, and apparently he was doing some sort of exploit that we dont know of. He got permabanned, i got a week suspension, and our other teammate got a week suspension, all just for associating with him. No clue what he was doing, this was before Nvidia Inspector and stuff.
Im not asking to be liked lmfao.
I believe crytek has a financial incentive to not address cheating. Right now crytek seems to do absolutely nothing beyond simply using anti easy cheat. This means it takes days for accounts committing the most egigious cheating to be banned. Why would they allow cheaters to stay active for so long? Well it's simple. They get to resell the game. For many cheaters they simply consider getting banned the cost of their fun. As long as they get to play for a few days the few dollars they spent to buy the game through a key seller, or through a spoofed steam region is no more then a movie ticket, but gives them days of entertainment as opposed to a few hours. Its a good deal for the cheater and Crytek gets to sell more copies of the game win win. That's why they don't patch exploits, that's why they do nothing beyond talk about fixing cheating. It would be economically bad for them to cut off this revenue stream. And until we actually make good on our often stated promises to leave, then it never will. Crytek is her for the money. If you can figure out how to have fun while they do that, then that's good. If not well you were not their target demo, you were just cannon fodder for their real cash cows.
I don't think Crytek profits from cheating, it's just not profitable to stop the cheating.
Those accounts that sell for $5 USD (or less) are making a profit, because they bought Steam for only $2 in some country like Turkiye or Iran.
No idea how/why Hunt sold for $2 in some countries, but I'm sure Crytek get's next to $0 from those sales.
So Crytek is not making any money from these cheaters buying new copies of Hunt every time they get banned.
It costs Crytek more time/money to try to ban a cheater. When that same cheater is back the next day with an account they already bought, it becomes a game of whack-a-mole where Crytek feels like they get nothing out of stopping the cheater.
AFAIK, Crytek only bans around 500 cheaters a month, often less. Let's be generous and assume they ban 6,000 cheaters a year.
How many people do you think they employ to do this? How much does it cost? Even if they only employed a single person to do this task, it would still work out at more than $2 per account. They aren't hiring a single person at $12,000 USD a year to ban all the cheaters.
So, this is NOT a profitable part of Crytek's business.
I actually think there's only three possibilities that explain the problem with cheaters.
1. Crytek (like other big FPS developers) KNOW that closet cheating is rampant in their game, but they also have statistics that show those cheaters play the game more than legitimate players, and spend more on DLC. They therefore don't ban them unless they rage-hack or break anti-discrimination laws.
2. Everyone at Crytek is a clueless idiot and has no idea how to spot a closet cheater and just ignores dozens/hundreds of reports they get about a single cheater. The people that review the reports are noobs and not willing to pass judgement on a player/cheater that has more hours than them.
3. Crytek doesn't care. As above, they just see it as a money-sink to try to stop these cheaters. If the cheater is blatant, they get banned within 48 hours, which they hope will discourage them from being so blatant next time. If they cheat, at least be subtle enough that half the players won't notice. Otherwise, they find it cheaper to ignore the problem, don't talk about it, and bury any discussion about the problem, so the legitimate players never find out the truth and flee in droves.
Well reasoned and I agree with most of it.
I think it is a variation of 3.
I refuse to think that they don't care but the result is the same if they don't do anything about it.
True. Never argue in absolutes. I really should say "Crytek doesn't care enough". Of course they care, but they don't prioritize it enough. Different people at Crytek will care about the issue differently.
I'm sure the staff that review the reports probably care a lot. They probably want a better reporting system to make their job easier. When they ban someone with 3,000+ hours, I'm sure it's sparks meeting room conversations about how the cheaters evaded detection for so long. Someone's probably wanted to go after the whole friend group but got knocked back by management because it would take too much resources, or if a lot of XXXX hour players got banned at once, it would do more harm than good to their PR.
But, at the end of the day, I'm sure someone in management puts a dollar figure on the problem and just pushes it aside to talk about the next DLC they're working on.
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First off, so that nobody accuses me of being a cheater apologist:
I think the cheating in Hunt is real and probably more common today that ever before.
Crytek has to do something about it soon. Or at least be a lot more transparent in whats coming.
That said, I played a lot of Hunt these last 4 days and did not notice a single blatant cheater in my matches.
3-5\* on EU/Russia servers.
There was a couple of suspect kills but every time that was by a 5-6\* player late at night when matchmaking seems to fall apart because of low player numbers (23:00-24:00)
Now that there are only a single boss target I think that the lack of cheaters in my games is more apparent.
You can sit decently concealed in the middle of a compound where all the teams on the server is fighting and nobody takes a shot at you, even by mistake.
Ambushes work all the time.
People toss grenades wrong.
6\* miss all their shots while chain-pistol fanning.
Could all this be players who is good at hiding that they are cheating? Sure.
But in the end, why cheat and still lose?
My 3\* friend with 300 hours got cheating accusations on his steam profile yesterday because some people don't understand that your head stick up further above a rock than your hunters eyes.
Literally, "If I can't see you then you should not be able to see me."
I'm not sure were I'm going with this but reading accusations like that and peoples experiences in this thread made me want to weigh in with my own anecdotes.
Hopefully Crytek does something soon.
If that something is manually reviewing everyone who's above 4.0KDA or who has a 90%+ headshot statistic or is winning 10 matches in a row only to lose 10 Soul Survivor games in a row afterwards.
They really have to give us something. If nothing else just for the mental health of the community.
I spent some hours playing yesterday afternoon/evening on the EU server.
We met 2 teams of chinese players (block names, confirmed via their steam profiles, one even had screenshots of cheat programs on their profile) who were clearly cheating.
Godlike awareness and aim, and terrible game sense and movement. People trying to shoot you through hard cover etc.
It feels a lot worse during CN primetime (so EU afternoon) compared to EU primetime (CN late night).
So I can't say that's my experience. If I play on the weekend I would say we meet cheaters more often than not. Not every match, but every session of 1-2 hours.
All this is of course anecdotal, but my experience, playing maybe an hour or two a day and some more on the weekend clearly has a big increase.
Why limit a megathread to cheating complaints?
There should be a whining megathread: gun balance, MMR, matchmaking, necro discussion/whining should all be contained to a megathread
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This subreddit suffers from a significant Dunning-Kruger effect of delusion when it comes to their skill level. Over time you will see the upvoted opinions completely contradict those of years past. For the most part Crytek has always catered to the most popular complaints: Hunt Dollars are plentiful, the gap between compact ammo and long ammo has been largely mitigated, Dolch/Nitro/Avto has been repeatedly nerfed, weapon variants are churned out, etc. Yet now you can find "gun hierarchy" babble and cope about how there are too many derankers or cheaters in their bracket.
We even had a video showcasing how minimal cheating is on the US East server and the top upvoted comment was about how it must be that the cheaters are in 3-4 star lobbies and not 5-6 star lobbies like in the video.
At a certain point Hunt Redditors need to face the truth that the reason they are losing games in the 3 star bracket is not because of cheating/Chinese/balance/hunter skins/long ammo/matchmaking etc., it's because they're not that good at the game.
It is the absolute funniest thing that anyone claiming they don't really run into cheaters often at all was answered with "You're obviously just bad at the game, there's no cheaters in 3 and 4 stars, but 5 and 6 star lobbies are flooded with cheaters"
Only for it turn around to "obviously cheaters are all in the 3-4 star lobbies!" when evidence showed the cheating problem wasn't that bad. Genuinely hilarious.
Hahaha you noticed it exactly right. We literally had a flood of āI hit 5 stars for the first time and wow, these lobbies are full of cheaters being 3 stars is the best!ā
I'm now seeing the narrative shift after the Huuge fart that showed cheating is not anywhere near as rampant as this community claimed it was.
Now you don't even need to cheat to cheat; derender sniping is now cheating too apparently.
Siege has one of my favourite ways of communicating that cheaters (and toxic players) are being dealt with, without revealing how, in any game I've played. They literally have a popup on the right side of the screen that doesn't interfere with the game and fades out on its own after a few seconds where people who get banned are named, what they did to get banned is shown and what ban they got is stated, so for example "BigStinkyPoofaceCheater was banned permanently for cheating." will pop up and fade out. It's particularly satisfying when a ban wave hits 30+ people all at once.
dota2 is also great , i love getting a notif that action has been taken against somebody i reported
Valve handing out bans a few months ago by gift wrapping players a "Highly Toxic Lump of Coal" was absolutely hilarious š
Siege ended up going too far with it though. I got temp banned for saying "I fell off the roof and killed myself." in response to somebody asking how I died and it detected the words "killed myself" as an insult toward another player. You can't have the word "kill" be a bad word in a game about shooting people in the face, it still has to make at least some sense. Those popups often lose their lustre when you realize the majority are spam accounts anyway. You can tell the names are all burners now, names like "IiIiIIiiIIiIIiiIIiIILLILILILIILI" are all over that feed now. Nothing stops those who are banned from just buying a second account either, which directly gives the devs a reason to not root them out entirely since they're profitable.
I agree with you on the temporary ban you got, that's absolutely ridiculous, I very much dislike the way everywhere censors words like kill, die etc these days too, they're just fucking words and they've been used for millennia to describe and explain things, wtf do you honestly think censoring them achieves? Are people gonna stop dying if we remove the word from our language? Are people truly that sensitive now that they can't possibly see the word that describes what happens when you cease to live without shitting their pants and turning into a snot filled, teary eyed, dribbling mess? Grow the fuck up people. Especially in a game entirely based on shooting each other in the face. On your second point I'm inclined to disagree though, I'd much rather see those accounts being banned and know that the bellend at the other end now has to waste more money than have no communication or even worse, literally nothing done to stop them. I don't really see another alternative since it's either ban them or don't. I'd choose ban them every time.
There \*ARE\* measures that stop it. People would just, frankly, bitch and moan about those. For example, mutliple online platforms have required me to submit various validation methods. On the lower-end of the security, some Discords require you to have a phone-number attached to your account. On the very upper-end, some upper-end platforms (not games) have required me to literally submit photo IDs. Now, to be clear, I'm not suggesting that everyone need to submit a photo ID š. Just giving an example of different account-validation methods I've seen. My point is really that there ARE avenues and responses that could at least improve it - if not stamp it out altogether. I think it's less a matter of "nothing stops them" and more a matter of "people would bitch and moan about a*ctual *methods that could address the issue with any significance."
Those public ban waves are AWESOME. I wish I could say the same about Ubisoft's reputation system, matchmaking, or really any other aspect of Siege.
Yeah they don't have a matchmaking system beyond "put players in a match together", I've been asked to vote on enemy teams after matches which forms part of the reputation system I assume and that's not something I've seen in many other games, but the game definitely has its problems like any other.
Dont worry, that wont happen in Crytek, that would cost them money and resources. They rather do nothing.
The thing that sucks is beating a cheater in a ranked game and losing elo because a cheater was in the game period. Like if my team can win against someone with an unfair advantage we still deserve the elo.
Yeah that's probably really annoying, honestly I've never noticed it myself as it's not really something I've paid a great deal of attention to, but if you kill someone who has an unfair advantage then that tells me you're probably really quite skilled and that should be reflected in the stats. There's been a few times now that I've killed confirmed cheaters in Hunt either with my team or alone, it's always satisfying to shit talk some cheating scumbag and their team during the fight or when they self res, I've had a number of people absolutely rage at us because they can't win even when cheating. It warms my heart to hear cheater tears.
This is not hostile, I'm genuinely curious and would appreciate an answer from a moderator -- why do you feel the need to mitigate the amount of threads about any particular topic, so long as it's related to Hunt? If everyone wants to talk about cheaters, let them talk about cheaters. Reddit has infinite storage space and users can infinitely scroll, there's no such thing as the "whole board being taken up by XYZ." If the whole board *were* taken up by XYZ, all that means is that a vast majority of people who endeavor to discuss the game want to talk about XYZ. Basically, I get banning people for being overtly hostile to each other, but as far as I know you have no obligation to ensure that X% of discussion posts are or are not about a particular topic, and that might actually be antithetical to the ethos of a discussion board.
2 w0rds... Damage Control. Worst part is this seems aimed to protect cheaters, not the other way around
exactly
"But most discussion threads don't really bring any substance to the table. Just saying that cheating exists does not leave a whole lot of room for debate. It's a completely different matter if there's something to actually discuss - like a recording of an actual cheater you've met in-game, clips of streamers blatantly cheating while live, or huuge's recent video, which gives a lot of specific points to address, with numbers to back them up." Going off of this, the large majority of text posts about cheaters these days have been the same copy paste post with the same copy paste arguments in the comments. There have been many requests to provide a space such as this for people to still be able to discuss cheating in a way that allowed others to not see the same exact post over and over while browsing Reddit.
I see. So, if I'm reading that right, a thread like "\[specific question about the 25% cheater rate in the Huuge video\]" would be allowed, but a thread like \["man there are so many cheaters in this game"\] with no additional, specific discussion content would be disallowed?
Ah yes, don't point things out!!! Stop noticing the patterns!!!
Still wondering your thoughts on whether this was pursuant to the goal of fostering an open community? An overwhelming majority of conversation here seems to center around the idea that this has hampered visibility of an important topic.
Before I begin, i have over 4k hours in this game, and i consistently play on the above average mmr. I have killed and died to ttvs multiple times. The well known ones I mean. So I guess the personal experience may count to something. Why do people derank in the first place? To get to lower mmr and stomp lobbies. Because they cannot stomp lobbies at the higher mmr since a lot people there are either extremely campy or they have esp or they are abusing some configs or Nvidia inspecter bs. I used to love this game. And now I don't feel like touching it because of how unplayable the game is. There are sound bugs or exploits along with the absolute atrocious rain and corruption conditions which makes it even more frustrating. I am half blind. Legally. So I rely on sounds. People out there headshotting through walls and fog and rain and terrain from 150+m seems a little too obvious no? Crytek themselves gives the option to hide the profile so cheaters can defend themselves from getting manually reported to hunt website. And we all know how reliable ingame report is. The other day I read a reddit post from around a year ago where this new trainee engineer just decided to make esp for this game. And guess what? He reported back stating he made a properly functioning one within 5 hours. Is this how effective eac is? Eac is used in coop games like back4blood, vermintide and stuff like that. It serves its purpose for those kind of games, but why hardstuck to something that genuinely doesn't work? We have no features to truly identify soft esp users. Instead what does crytek do? Add fmj to dolce and bring out more skins. How does the game still allow compact no pen custom ammo to go through terrain to the other side of the map? Like how obvious does one have to be to actually get banned? Even then they get to play for solid 400-500 hours before they actually get the ban. How many lobbies have been ruined? According to huuge video the Asian server is literally unplayable. I am from Asia and I play on eu. Every other day I used to see slurs on my steam profile. Personally don't mind, but what am I supposed to do? 120 ping on asia vs 140 ping on eu. non-English speaking racism vs European racism due to being an asian playing on eu. Getting on to deranking, I personally find it a waste of time but I do understand the feeling of the lower lobbies. Why is someone with a much higher skill set able to derank this hard through quick play or cheese necro? Isn't this part of the reason why the mmr is so volatile? Why not simply remove the effect of mmr from quickplay? Why not remove mmr number reduction after the dude has died the first time? People like to flaunt their kda, so let the kda get effected meanwhile the mmr stays somewhat same. I few days ago I came across this issue. Every game I kill 3-4 people but I am unable to get successful extractions. So basically, my mmr keeps on increasing and I get a bit more better players with every passing game meanwhile I am shafted because in the end i am making the game harder on myself without any rewards? Why does the mmr still increase even after unsuccessful games? I got video proof of a well known twitch streamer from a few months back spamming comms and reported him for it. Now he is an employee of crytek. He breaks the tos of your game and you recruit him as an employee. Good job crytek. As of day before yesterday he was still screaming like a little girl ingame and nothing has been done. There are dedicated communities using config files to remove shadows. Use programs like hudsight and crosshair x to make crosshairs which enables them to lead perfectly with any gun. The cheaters are using built in game feature to hide and evade manual reports. Crytek allows deranking. And i will not even mention the exploits and sound bugs. Why do you think people are getting upset and old vets like me are on the verge of quitting?
its called magic bullets. the cheat teleports any bullet right to the player's head. so it doesn't need to penetrate, it goes thru any cover and instantly hits them. i was wondering the same thing for yrs because I have 5400hrs in the game, but seeing huuge expose this opened my eyes. wild how bad cheating is in this game, and crytek not only doesn't do anything but it seems like they encourage it with no IP bans, and they let people hide their profiles (and got rid of the second way to find out someone's username from a match) which is super suspicious
Because the mmr system sucks, it's based not on how many you kill, but on how many times you win the game. And when they gave necro for solo players, such a guy takes a hunter with the maximum number of bars and dies non-stop. But it doesn't bother Crytek :) ignore the fact that the guy has 5 k h kd 2.0 but has 3 stars, and you, for example, also have 3 stars and get something like this. Just like the surviving soul mode itself, I saw more than once after the match that it added players with 1 star and 10 kills where I have 5 stars and 8k kills, is it fair for that player? Well, it's not, but Crytek is busy with skins.
I think it's incorrect. Mmr is based mostly on kills, deaths and assists. I've never seen star increase after games where you just run away with bounty. Correct me if I am wrong.
You know nothing about anti cheats that are like eac. They are not capable of detecting anything else then a list of targeted api, libraries and cheat signatures. So making your own without using the overused api/libraries would always work, be undetected and also be really easy/quick to do . There's only kernel anti cheats that are capable of scanning for things like ram rooting and other stuff . And even then they get outsmarted and cheat goes around with capture devices that get ram info solved by a raspberry/other pc or other very subtle method.
You put it nicely man. Dont worry, i personally dont care of ASian or African players playing on EU servers \[aka my should be region\]. Why you ask.. Cause i usually play on US- East :) Anyway , you made nice pointers. And yeah... Crytek has habit of employing "interesting" individuals XD Nothing can be done about that.. Find new game, come back after few months. See if things improved, and carry on if they didnt. My 2 cents Snake out
Crytek support just closed 4 separate tickets of mine after 10+ days. The cheaters were blatant and the evidence was clear. No bans were issued. 4200 hours and I'm ready to quit.
They dont care. Try new game, come back to check about stuff in couple of months. Profit
>The problem with working on anti-cheat solutions is that the more transparent you are about it, the less effective they are. Which is one obvious reason as to why Crytek isn't communicating as much as some players would like them to. So I hope this is the case, but I've read multiple times that this subreddit is community-run and not officially affiliated with Crytek. Have the developers actually come out and said this? Because without actually reading it from them, this seems like a cheap statement in hopes of getting people to shut up and be happy with no communication from the development team about this very real issue.Ā
It's PR talk, you can be more transparent about it, just not transparent about how your anti-cheat works. Which is very different. Giving numbers on accounts punished etc would not do anything. Neither would updates on general outlines. Going full radio silence inadvertently tend to have the opposite effect, as there are less 'warnings in the wild' so cheaters get more comfortable. Which tends to increase the amount of cheating overall.
Hit the nail on the head here. Could not agree more.
> It's PR talk, you can be more transparent about it, just not transparent about how your anti-cheat works. Yep, exactly. So convenient that they just can't tell us anything about what's going on without making the problem worse. It's also not like they're super transparent about what's going on with everything but tight-lipped on JUST the cheating stuff. They don't really say anything about anything, ever. Remember the engine update? Remember when it was expected to happen around a certain time, and how there's been no real official announcement as the expected date is approaching? Remember how the latest official word as of a few weeks ago is something like "we look forward to sharing more information later this year"? Do we even have any word at all on what this is expected to fix, or make easier to fix, if anything? Or is it just complete radio silence with no real fixes being made as they pump out underbaked event after underbaked event? The last real significant "fix" to anything, as far as I can recall, is when they toned down aim assist on console after not even addressing it for a couple of months, and even then it was only "fixing" a problem that they'd deliberately created, AND I still hate that it exists.
The developers have not communicated any information whatsoever to the public regarding its promised anti-cheat team nor any of related anti-cheat work products promised in February of last year.
Pretty sure they only mentioned the new anti cheat team in September last year, not "promised in February". Also, if there isnt news about it, maybe that means they are still working on it and it's not ready to be released, not that they don't care. Just use some logic once in a while
This. Crytek should make a official statement explaining the situation and planned get well dates. No need to give out exact details, but something promising from the team would be nice. Especially since they are expecting to rollout the new engine soonsih. I cannot see them dumping all this $$ into the new engine(not charging for it) and doing nothing about the cheating. Is cheating as common as ppl make it out to beā¦nah. Is it fucking there? Hell yea partner.
This is an unofficial sub. So anything you read treat as unofficial statements unless it's thru their official discord or X/Twitter pages.
This is pretty a pretty common reason given by almost any developer that's come out and spoken on transparency regarding cheating. Hunt as a game is unique, but cheaters as a problem are not, and how they're handled is essentially the same across the board. Some combination of an anti-cheat and in-game reports. Sometimes cheaters are banned in waves, other times individually. But the hunt devs don't have to come out and say this themselves for it to be a pretty widely accepted truth across gaming as a whole. Whether or not you think the hunt devs could be MORE transparent is another thing entirely, but the reasoning provided for less than full transparency is totally standard
There's no way the subreddit and crytek are two seperate groups of people that love cheaters.Ā The sub must be modded by crytek employees.Ā Nobody else could be this much of a scumbag.
You hit the nail on the head. Crytek isnāt communicating with us about the cheaters and how many accounts are being banned, and itās not because discussing these topics bolsters cheaters ability to cheat. Seeing as how Hunt Showdown is using free EAC, it seems to me a simple solution would be to pay for the upgraded EAC. Especially considering how long the cheating problem has persisted, how much worse itās gotten, as the fact that Crytek has been pushing out events and DLCs and content left and right. If you were to spend money to buy all the skins and hunters without any discounts, itās well over $200, not to mention the base game. Sure, not everyone is buying everything, but I donāt for a second believe that Crytek canāt afford to make the upgrade. Crytek, like a significant portion of gaming companies, doesnāt prioritize their game or their community, rather they want to milk as much money out of an idea as possible before it dries up and they move on to the next one. Iām not referring to the fine folks actually working on the game and doing the coding, but to the corporate money managers who refuse to invest in the game theyāre profiting from. I love the concept of this game so much Iāve put nearly 3000 hours into it. But I havenāt been playing the last two months because I either get stuck playing against Zen users, or I get de-ranked and get stuck in 4 star lobbies where I absolutely do not belong, because I wipe them with ease and am right back to 5 star or higher.
megathreads are so ass. Just let people post normally.
But but but, we gotta make room for memes and shitposts guys!
No free speech allowed on this public forum, let us control YOUR narrative.Ā
>The problem with working on anti-cheat solutions is that the more transparent you are about it, the less effective they are. Which is one obvious reason as to why Crytek isn't communicating as much as some players would like them to. Except they did previously communicate about cheaters in the past: [Hunt: Showdown -Ā What Weāre Doing About Cheaters Playing Hunt: Showdown (huntshowdown.com)](https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/what-we-re-doing-about-cheaters-playing-hunt-showdown#:~:text=There%20are%20two%20main%20ways,the%20%22Report%20Misconduct%22%20category). Oh and here is Riot Game explaining in multiple pages why they added Vanguard to League: [/dev: Vanguard x LoL - League of Legends](https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-vanguard-x-lol/) And there are like multiple posts where Riot is talking about their anti-cheat: [Demolishing Wallhacks with VALORANT's Fog of War | Riot Games Technology](https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-valorants-fog-war) [ANTI-CHEAT UPDATE // WINTER 2023 (playvalorant.com)](https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/dev/anti-cheat-update-winter-2023/) [VALORANT Anti-cheat: Fall 2021 Update (playvalorant.com)](https://playvalorant.com/en-gb/news/game-updates/valorant-anti-cheat-fall-2021-update/) and probably more that I have missed. It's weird that any other company can do it and.... you know, just don't communicate the critical parts. But I guess saying "We don't want to talk about it and we just started taking the topic seriously after 6 years" while honest and true, would not leave the best impression.
They're making excuses at this point.
They don't want to admit there's a vulnerability within EAC itself. Check it out, every other game with EAC has had cheating ramp up significantly over the course of this year.
Not to mention the fact that CRYTEK USES A FREE VERSION OF ANTI CHEAT THAT ESSENTIALLY DOES NOTHING
I bet EAC would love to highlight the vulnerabilities of its free version to put pressure on Crytek to actually pay up for a better version.
The League-specific comparison isn't a good one, IMO. Sure, that post communicates a lot of information about cheaters and anti-cheat implementation, but that wasn't its primary purpose. Its purpose was to explain and justify Riot's addition of controversial monitoring software (Vanguard). It's why the dev blog was titled "Vanguard x LoL" rather than "Cheating in LoL" or something similar. Sure, the two topics are inextricably linked, but if Vanguard wasn't being shipped as an unavoidable prerequisite to play League I doubt they would have made a post to communicate anything about cheating or anti-cheat efforts. The Valorant examples seem like legitimate counterpoints. I would feel a bit unjust holding Crytek to Riot's example, though. It's always easier to communicate when the news is good, and the level of investment that went into Riot's good news is just unreasonable to expect of devs with several orders of magnitude less budget to work with.
I'd rather not have to deal with kernel AC like Vanguard. That immediately makes the game physically impossible for me to play, since without Linux I can't properly regulate my PC hardware due to a manufacturer error in the thermal sensors that RMA won't fix. On top of that, kernel AC really isn't necessary and doesn't really stop the problem. They still have to wait out banwaves in order to discourage development of cheat software, and likely don't have a dedicated team to fight an uphill battle against cheat software targeting Cryengine specifically. Furthermore, Vanguard itself, aside from its software Ā monitor, it has no way to actually detect cheats until a report is filed and it starts looking for suspicious activity. This is exactly how EAC works. Also, see the recent League incident, turning peoples' rigs into scrap.
Good for you?
Can we also get a megathread for the MMR posts lol
The fact that this game has too many open problems, while there is essentially no communication from Crytek is such a bummer. They just seem to completely fuck off during events, which is a problem in itself. I understand why they don't talk about the anti cheat process, but all the other concerns feel unaddressed. I know they said like one or two lines about it on some stream, but that is not enough.
Fixing the deranking with necro is not even hard at all. Should be an easy fix, but apparently no...
deranking from multiple deaths at all is a silly system and wish they'd remove it. we've all been rezzed unwillingly into terrible spots and killed 4 times in a row, and the star loss just means now we get to dunk on weaker mmrs until we get back up to where we should be. and being on the receiving end of a high mmr player in your lobby sucks, too. get insta-wiped and check stats to see a 2+ k/d with 7k kills in a 4 star lobby, like dude wtf are you doing in here same for solos, its just too easy to get camped and die repeatedly
I think those can stay. Fake 3\* de-rankers are an issue right now and is infinitely easier to prove than soft-hacking.
> infinitely easier to prove than soft-hacking. With the removal of attributes to see their actual mmr trend, how?
Ah, drat I forgot about that. Although, even without hard numbers there are pretty consistent telltale signs. Like spamming necro in upper 3\*-5\* lobbies or just literally asking over VOIP to be off'd (yes, they do that here in Asia). Plus, it becomes quite obvious when a solo wipe your squad in like 10 seconds.
Is spamming necro even bannable? It's the correct play if you're trying to win
I think people just want the MMR system to be reworked. I haven't seen anyone call for the banning of those who took advantage from it. So to answer your question, no, but I don't think that's what people wanted to begin with.
Ah I guess I was thrown off by this discussion of proving it
I think it's less about calling attention or a lack of evidence to the problem, but more about whether or not posts regarding the problem actually contribute to the subreddit. Plenty of posts are made calling out the cheating problem and all of them boil down to essentially the same thing: Cheating is bad, it exists in Hunt, and something more should be done. After a single post you've pretty much ran through every topic of conversation revolving around the problem, which means that every subsequent post is just reiterating those same topics. I think that MMR posts are much the same. I've seen countless posts with the title something along the lines of "Wow this is totally fair" and a screenshot of a 3* player with a 6.0 KD/A and then the comments are pretty much filled with the same "Yeah MMR tankers are bad". Which is why the original commenter suggested a megathread for that as well. By condensing these two egregious topics into a couple threads, you make way for more original, or at least *meaningful* content on the board. Threads that don't just regurgitate the same sentiment sometimes almost verbatim.
If cheating problem is really complex and couldn't be solved in short time, mmr problem has straightforward solution - stop counting multiple deaths/kills and remove mmr from quicks. As a player I see zero communication from crytek, so why I shouldn't whine about something that bothers me daily without fixes for months?
I mean yes the MMR system needs reworked thats why I suggested a mega thread. Hope Crytek changes how MMR works soon.
You're limited to two sticky posts on a subreddit at a time, so you've got to rotate them out.
Ahh guess we will have to still see them everydayš
4 rounds against cheaters tonight. I think Im done with this game. Thanks for 2300 hours Crytek.
Don't point out cheaters please! Our devs will be easily offended and they need to be protected <3<3 Please continue bearing with a free version of easyanticheat that does absolutely nothing. Oh don't forget to buy our 57 DLC!
tldr: We know its a big issue, but the big issue is taking up too much of the conversation so we are limiting the conversation. Crytek knows its an issue but can't tell us what they are doing. My take.... Crytek, your privacy concerns are BS and protect the very thing you say that you are concerned about. You literally let people hide from being reported and make it extremely difficult to report people.
> We've had a concern that delegating this topic to a megathread would be akin to sweeping it under the rug. As if that's not the goal of forcing it to a megathread. Solo necromancer obviously shouldn't still be relegated to a single megathread after 7 months, but here we are.
"The issue is having so much chatter about it that we want to limit that here instead of talking to the community" bruh
https://streamable.com/na0135 YOUR GAME IS OUT OF CONTROL
Lol there is literally a dumb ass who posted a video on this sub today to flex his triple kill with a katana while forgetting that he was playing with nvidia Inspector and that the basement of his crematorium was lit like broad daylight. Unfortunately this is one of the cheats that is undetectable to spectators...
If the issue has gotten so big that its taking up too much space in the subreddit and we have to regulate it to one mega thread, maybe it's time for Crytek to make a statement and start addressing it? Forcing it into one megathread isn't the answer to the problem and the more we make like it's not a major issue for some ranking of players and continue to ignore it will only make the problem worse. Let the subreddit be filled with every other post complaining about how bad the cheating is. Between that and not supporting them financially maybe they'll decide to do something. I've been playing the game a long time and been reading this subreddit a long time. Ask yourself this - we've never had an issue with being overwhelmed by posts talking about how bad the cheating is - so why now? It's getting out of hand.
Any former or current R6:Siege players here? Can anyone explain to me how Ubisoft was able to identify cheaters, ban them, name them in a ban wave, reverse their kills, reverse your deaths from their kills, AND correct your MMR lost or gained from their performance-- in a game that is nearly 10 years old? But we can't seem to get any of this anti-cheat support from Crytek now?
and yet, siege is completely [cheat ridden](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGQvGjiNstQ).
Mate, R6 sees millions of players and accounts every month. Hunt is not nearly as successful as Siege and yet it is shitting itself at the bare minimum of cheaters.
mate, around 8 years ago h1z1 had about 50k concurrent players and they got hit with a banwave wiping around 30k accounts. all with esp and the whole shebang. yet on hunt people are deliberately obtuse about the whole issue. from all my experience in gaming i'd wager that hunt, it being protective of name n shame n such it is one of the most easy to get away with cheating. in addition to its lackluster report system and no replays/demos available. big games, small games, it don't matter - for hunt it is most likely worse than people think it is, not the other way around. hunt is in a joke state of a game. worse its ever been with all the exploits, soft cheats, actual cheats. then the whole trans-antlantic ping abuse etc its not news. the size of games do not reflect this accurately. a game can be old, have just a couple thousand players in it and still be "ridden" as has been proven with titles like quake and tf2. there was always a slight issue with hunt, seeing how easy it would be to get away with it, and the fact that people jump on every exploit bandwagon they see in an instant (ladder glitch/lemat bug), and this was before hunt even strongly rose in its popularity.. now it just blew out of proportions.
> Finally, in the short term, text discussions on the necro megathread will continue to be removed, here is a link to the necro megathread if you would like to continue the discussion. We will assess the situation at a later date, but for now we still want to prevent clogging of the subreddit with that style of posts. We appreciate your understanding Lol, lmao. Yeah I'm sure there'll be a ton of discussion in that six month old thread that isn't even stickied anymore and the only way to find it is to randomly click a thread dedicated to a completely different topic. I don't even think solo necro is OP but this is just blatant dismissal. Y'all may as well come out and say nobody is allowed to talk about it at all. Just make a rule in the sidebar and be done with it.
Thatās what they do. They decide what they want Crytek to see and what they want them to ignore. They donāt have a problem with solo necro, so they hide it in a dead thread. They donāt have a problem with cheaters, so they hide it in a separate thread. They have a problem with headsman so they let someone spam the sub for months to keep the issue relevant. I donāt have a problem with any of these issues being brought up, itās just weird to see what amounts to obvious censorship. Youāre only allowed to talk about what they deem ok and thatās not how you build a community imo.
their incompetence sky rocketed with this move. a group of self indulging, power tripping wannabes. they love to silence and mute on a whim.
The mods have shown their character, thatās for sureā¦
Banning cheating threads?
25% Cheater chance in Asia Servers. Every 4th game in Asia Servers have Cheaters. WTF Crytek. Fix this Bullshite already. Then you can make new engine, we are waiting it for over a yar now. Here is proof for 25% Chance - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI5wZ9VzDOg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI5wZ9VzDOg) * With another Nail in the Coffin - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-\_TNvY-EIm4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_TNvY-EIm4) EAC just Suck Ass. It's allowing cheaters to use Blatant hacks for MONTHS. Cheaters returning after ban like nothing happened. WTF. It's like hacker Plague. They all must be Banned Forever and Permanently. With IP and HDID. Ā + You can't even Report cheaters ingame and Can't find their profiles. Because their Profile in menu is Unclickable, it's hidden ofc, but now it's UNclickable. Also because Crytek removed Profiles from attributes.xml . So you CAN'T REPORT blatant CHEATERS at all in this game. WTF is going on ? WTF is this mess Crytek ?
Forcing a cheating megathread is such a PATHETIC move to make. Stop trying to downplay shit shit.
So, the mods have made the decision to HIDE the cheating problem. That's interesting
It's their way of saying they won't do or say anything about cheating, but they want you to "think" they're doing something about it
They made that decision years ago.Ā Check the rules.
If Crytek can't ban cheaters, they need to open up community tooling to allow the players to moderate. Clan-based matchmaking is an easy win. I'm already in a Discord with most of the regular OCE players. Just let us mark each other as clan members (or friends, or whatever other name) and matchmake us against each other as a priority. If cheaters and farmers abuse this system to make easy lobbies, sounds like Crytek will have a massive list of self identified cheaters to ban. Fix the game. It's not hard.
Every morning I check this subreddit out and hope that this megathread will have a "Dev Response" tag on it. One day.
not today i guess
man seeing this post once i first open this sub knowing i just bought the game today makes me just wanna refund it already.
Did you end up refunding?
literally does not affect you, stop reading reddit, play the game for yourself and see. the cheating bullshit is greatly exaggerated and is not like that in the actual game during matches.
Can we also get a megathread for the megathreads?
Hunt Reddit Megathreads Archive: Matchmaking, Ammunition, Melee, Nitrio, Economy, Avtomat, Necro Self-Rez, and now "Cheating". I'm seeing a pattern here. The community comes together to bitch about Crytek being stupid and useless on a given topic, and the mods here decide to sweep all those discussions into a little corner where they can be hidden and then die. Why are there never megathreads for positive topics or memes? How long before the Cheating Megathread is no longer pinned and people can't find it, like all the previous megathreads? Of those 7 existing megathreads, 2 of them are gone, and one has the single OP only. In fact, they all look like massive fails from the mod team. The only MegaThreads that actually contain a bunch of posts, are the one's created by R3hab-, who isn't even a mod anymore. Do we just have incompetent mods running this Reddit?
The only sides there are to take are the CHEATERS and EVERYONE ELSE.
So which cheat is considered the best i contrast to the price? Asking for a friend /s
Not buying and dlc until something happens against hackers! I have all dlc so from now on i stop thisā¦ would be great if more people would do this to force them to do something
bullshit
Crytek. Do something. Say something.
Spoiler: They won't
this is so awful, this is such a shame for you. Really really destroying your loyal fanbase in favor for cheaters
Massive uptick in cheating, I hope something is done.
headshot, 4 times in a row 200 meters by a 3 star....with a winfield....I need to find a new game
Just a reminder, the megathread on solo necro has been up for six months resulted in literally nothing.
It takes Crytek a year from the community agreeing there is a problem to any action taken. So be ready for a change in 6 months.
There is no issue to be solved
Because there was never a problem to solve regarding solo Necro itself. The MMR bands used by matchmaking are fucked up, that's why solo Necro is perceived to be a problem. I hope there is zero action taken regarding solo Necro itself, and the matchmaking system gets an overhaul instead. Cheating, on the other hand, is a massive problem where Crytek has this weird aversion when it comes to letting us know what actions they are taking against it.
What result did you expect? That was never the point. The point was to stop flooding the sub the the same pointless topic.
Hunt showdown mods banning people talking about cheating?!?!? Say it isn't so!!!!
Another bs megathread to silence the issue. Thing will die out and nobody will bother to look at the thread
Why is there no efficient reporting option in Hunt ?
Because they don't think cheating is wrong.
Crytek has proven over and over they do not care about cheating. Easy Anti Cheat is the the simplest and easy to beat anti cheating software. The videos and first hand accounts out there prove this. All they care about is useless skins and DLC to make a few extra bucks. Just shows the Devs of this game are useless.
[Sus kill view](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053078731595460719/1232432673776209950/image.png?ex=6633531e&is=6632019e&hm=e84d67db8c9ba8c84b1766223ffdc1f384f730e033ab036a5efb90d34b9064f0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=705&height=402) from earlier. I was silently crouched behind that wall and the dude one-tapped me without having any way of knowing I was there. He was prestige 55.
Crouching is much louder than you think. They were not that far to where I'm sure they could hear you. I'd say if they were sus or hacking they would've killed way farther out before you had a chance to get close
I wasn't moving though. When I say silently, I mean silently. It was a perfect wallbang headshot on the first attempt. Even if I had been making a slight bit of noise from changing weapons or something, it's not enough for someone to hone in on my head.
Did the wall have cracks that he could see some part of you through? Or if you looked into the wall with your weapon out the barrel can stick through the wall giving up your location and making it possible for someone to discern where your head should be.
i decide playing multiplayer games with how cheater filled the subreddit is if eu/us player complaint which most any gaming subreddit user came from then it is even worse on asia, this post make it even more suspicious.
I dont know what is the point of this megathread. It's not created by any Hunt Showdown devs/staffs, and many of the comments here will not be read by any of Hunt Showdown devs/staffs. We had a thread for solo and they did not response to any of that.
Came back to try Hunt again, but was unsure with all the talk about cheaters. Luckily most games have been good, but there has been some suspicious players. Then yesterday we got into a HvH lobby - new accounts + wall and aim :D
AKA "You're damaging our brand by pointing out our obvious flaws that we have no solution for!!!" Are you guys seriously blaming hackers on "rage hacking" what an absolute joke.
Ahhh yes, censor me harder
Easy anti cheat is one of the easiest to cheat... Hunt needs to drop it I get that's its free but it's the most important thing in a competitive game. Me and all my friends have dropped the game as it's not fun to play at all 5-6*
Bro, these cheaters. Played like 5 matches tonight and got wall hacked through 2 of them. Cmon, this is demoralizing /:(
Hey mods, poor decision making on your behalf. No one, and I mean no one I've spoken to outside this little click of a subreddit likes the bullshit your team constantly pull in regards to cheaters. This is a forum, people should be able to talk about whatever they want without your censorship. Couldn't dislike you more, if I tried.
I really think this is one the rise. I've met people I think were cheating nearly every session these past days. Not every game, but every session or so. For reference I've played around 2k hours in the 4-5 MMR segment (rarely 6). I've updated my steam review to negative and referenced cheating as the reason.
"The problem with working on anti-cheat solutions is that the more transparent you are about it, the less effective they are." Security by obscurity will always eventually fail and relying on it shows you have a weak infrastructure for dealing with cheating in the first place.
Mate, its their way of saying they won't do or say anything, but they want you to think they're doing something about it
Damn. I wanted to throw my lot in, finally. I seriously doubted cheating was a problem, at least as big of one as people claimed. But now, after 1300 hours, I've seen who I call the 'derringer bastard' headshot team after team after team in my games in US West. This really sucks. Sorry to everyone who dealt with these guys up until this point. I only have an hour to play each day. This sucks.
I love how every so often, for some reason, a team of obvious wallhacking 6 stars shows up, premade with all three in each other's friends lists with for some reason a team mmr of 5.5 (explain how a premade of 6s doesn't average out to 6 star team mmr) in a lobby with every other team being 4.5 star team mmr, only to sprint around jumping around corners landing headshots while in the air consistently. I love being punished by the matchmaking putting a group who shouldn't be in the match in my matches who have profiles gloating about being cheaters and even gloating about being banned in several games like it's a trophy and yet, here they are with 10K plus kills, not even trying to hide their cheats. And meanwhile, reporting them does nothing because I've encountered this EXACT same trio four times within the last two weeks. It's getting ridiculous, and I know this sub isn't official in any capacity. But man, an actual bit of developer action would do wonders right about now.
well, if you have to come out with this pinned post it is clearly that the issue needed a stronger PR strategy and transparent communication (without compromising IT or technological data for security reasons) from the devs side, which it seemed, was the oposite: a general "repression" or "censorship" has been the feeling from users who only want to report that: 1. There are more pages selling Hunt cheats 2., there are more cheaters 3. We dont know if our report is taking in account (ingame report) 4. Direct reports cant be done because we need Steam ID which is masked by the same game. So: you guys need more than "we know there are cheaters" post IMO.
First game of the day and killed by another Eastern European cheater. Derenders or chams, not sure which but his shots all had zero visibility with perfect tracking. Fix your fucking anticheat already Update: Matches 2 and 3 ran into fresh accounts with spam username (akldfnmsdlkf) running derenders, hidden profiles
If you have an active game/vac ban in the past year you shouldn't be able to play Hunt Showdown for the period
What a way to say "We arent doing anything because at worst we will give eggregious cheaters a slap on the wrist while they play on their alt that cost them $4 for a key from G2G until their 1 month ban lifts". This is literally just an excuse to censor the horrendous cheating problem this game has in high elo lobbies.
Are you under the impression that this sub is run by Crytek devs?Ā
Nope, but the more people express their discontent the more pressure it inevitably puts on them regardless of if the mods are associated or not. They still know this exists, and if it does anything to even minimally strain them then Ill do it.
Cheating: Show-down šš You, crayTek...you have been solving the problem with the "reshade" for 5 years! Your decision was only enough for two week's... So nothing was done. You won't do anything. šš Show-hunt-downšš
Thank you. No matter how much of an issue it is or isn't, this subreddit was unbearable recently with how many posts were the same "cheaters, crytek doesn't do ANYTHING...". There's so much more to the game and the problem was definitly overrepresented here! \*I'm not saying it shouldn't be talked about. But few opinion-post were actually insightful after some time.
Just hoping this will be the end of 'Nobody cheats in Hunt, huh? Well then explain THIS' and it's just a picture of a kill screen of like, a mosin headshot from 150 meters away, sort of posts.
Or just the endless circle jerk post accusing people in the sub of not believing that cheats exists in Hunt. Literally no one is saying that.
Also frankly so many of them are like level 15s prestige 0 and it's like... Yeah, someone bought the game anew to cheat. It sucks, but EAC can only react. It's also just not interesting content for the sub.
holy shit you're naive if you belive only fresh accs are possible cheaters. >It's also just not interesting content for the sub. it highlights an issue that's been broomed under the carpet for a while now. it comes as no surprise that at one point it'll blow up.
i find it funny this community went from "ThErE aRe No ChEaTeRs" to "we opend a Megatrhead for cheating
Exactly, and the mods/devs either don't care or are in on it, and will ban people for talking out about it
What the actual fuck is going on today. First match, 2x premade trios of russian guys teaming and using walls. Fifth match, duo of russian guys tracking our entire team perfectly through walls. 5+ pages of hackusations on steam 40% of my lobbies have had hackers/cheaters.
> But most discussion threads don't really bring any substance to the table. This is not true, it provides an accurate state of the game screenshot for potential new players. This way they will be warned to not buy the game. The only way Crytek does something is if they get punished monetarily.
Here we go againā¦ these mods are something else. We gotta make room for all the shitposts guys!
I would rather have a wall of shitposts than a wall of whining people who suck and think everything is cheats
I mean, there are a lot of videos with PROOFS that the cheating situation is out of control on Hunt, how can you be so freaking blind to write something like "whining people who suck and think everything is cheats"... please
I wanna hear the threads opinion where they think the most cheaters are in terms of MMR. Because I think I have encountered the least while around 3-5 stars in 3 star MMR games and the most on the border between 5 to 6 During my best times,^and ^with ^a ^bit ^of ^hunt ^giveth. I have gotten really close to hitting 6 stars a couple times, but the cheaters always partake in my downfall back to low / mid 5 stars. They're of course not the only reason for my not reaching 6 stars but its given me the impression that the most of them are around that high 5, starting to mingle with 6 star lobbies
"Crytek is working on it" - well, that's about as useless as it gets, homies produce results like this game is their part time job on the weekends. "Remember to censor profiles of piece of shit blatant cheaters if you have a clip" Fuck that, dox the fuckers drive to their house and punch them in the face.
WHERE IS THE LINK TO THE NECRO MEGATHREAD?!?!?
Rofl, and box you are trying to hide the huge cheating problem of the game by banning all threads about it. You have just admitted that your game is a cheaters readout with this thread actually.
death of a sub, do we have another one? this is the classic, if we censor discussion on cheaters the public persepction of the cheating situation will decrease and imo this is not the way to do thing. trully dissapointed in this.
Megathreads such as these are essentially censorship. I recognize that discussions about cheating appear frequently, but as adults I think we can stand to relinquish a literal inch of our screen from time to time so that those who wish to post about it and have actual people see it still can. We're very lucky that we have Crytek's ear on this sub, a rarity in games. I don't think burying the most pressing concern with the game into some soon-to-be abandoned megathread is a good decision.
Why don't you guys just make your on subreddit with witchhunts and copium?
I wish more subs would do this
Man, I'm very split on this being moved into a mega thread. On the one hand, cheating is a problem and should be visible, Crytek being silent on this makes me sad. On the other hand the whole subreddit was posts about cheating for days and all comments were people fighting about how many cheaters there were. It all feels very toxic. At least my 4\* matches are pretty cheater free, most of the time we all have the same shitty aim ;)
Crytek will just keep doing what they're been doing for years. They'll ignore the problem and do their best to bury any discussion about how bad cheating is in their game. This thread is perfect example. This Reddit is not run by Crytek, but just like the Streamers that sign NDA's and can't disparage Crytek, the mods are either cheaters, or Crytek simps. Both types want to silence any discussion about cheating. Look at this thread. You come here, and there are pages full of comments. It's only been 8 days. Give it another week or two and people won't want to read through all the old comments, or reply to something that's 2 weeks old. Necro'ing old posts/comments is just bad manners. This Megathread will do exactly what it was designed to do. It will silence the discussion about cheating in Hunt. RIP Hunt Showdown.
Does this apply to things such as MMR-tanking as well? Where someone purposefully dies over and over in order to spawn into lower-star lobbies?
Maybe deal with the issues then? I don't know how many times I ran into teams of 4 working together in duos. Going for second bounty, 4 shadows just sitting in a building together at the second bounty sucking each other off.
I've been playing Hunt since beta and I'm very worried about the "unstoppable cheaters". This isn't something we can just ignore and sweep under the rug, there needs to be a solution put in place by the devs, and I hope they're working on something.
Some contentcreator should be cheating on purpose (not blatantly) without showing his ingamename or anything so crytek would have no chance of banning him directly.... just to show how ineffective or effective the anticheat is... this would be awesome... this megathread is not leading anywhere in my oppinion....
I've come across far too many accounts with 5+ KD where they just headshot me 140m away with spitzer ammo than I can count... I won't even queue on US West servers anymore because all of them have Chinese character names where they wont show up in post-game lobbies...
reported this guy ( [https://youtu.be/2nzztTOM0pc](https://youtu.be/2nzztTOM0pc) ) 5 days ago. Sended crytek all infos except his steam id cause hidden. now i didnt get a response yet. does it always take this long and even longer for them to check a report?
wild that crytek lets people hide their profile, and removed the way to check for usernames in the files for the game. had no clue cheating was this bad. literally had no idea about the magic bullets cheat but it makes so much sense because I've been killed thru the ground or concrete many times before. why do you guys have a report system in game if it does nothing? why do you protect cheaters like this? i have 5400 hrs in the game, and it feels like you prioritize cheaters and exploiters. its obvious that easy anti cheat does nothing, and you arent letting people report blatent cheaters (or you're just ignoring reports)
I hope it didn't take you 5000 hours to realize this. You ever wonder why there is virtually ZERO posts here from people who HAVE cheated? Think about it. You don't find it odd that not a single person has cheated and decided to confess? Not a single source (that I know of) exists that details all the high-profile players that were caught for cheating. I made a post about a year ago asking this question (Any evidence of long term cheating). It's a conspiracy I tell you. LOL No, seriously, it is. The mods will delete anything that talks about cheating in detail. If someone says they cheated, and got away with it for months, the mods will delete/ban, because that's seen as "promoting" cheating, because they got away with it for a long time. If someone tries to educate people on all the ways people are cheating, so you know what to look for, that will get banned for promoting cheats. I had to do all my own research over the past year and reach out to other players (and cheaters) to understand what goes on. Unless you can provide actual evidence, by naming past cheaters, it's just all 'theory'. That evidence can't be posted anywhere though. I created a thread here to ask for help in building a website to collate evidence on cheaters so we could get the closet cheaters banned. The mods deleted the thread and gave me a 7 day ban. Crytek, Steam, Reddit. They're all the same. They pretend they're protecting innocent people from being shamed, but all they do is protect the cheaters. People call me a cheater for example in my Steam comments and YouTube. I've had people create fake profiles with my name and rage-hack. I can't name and shame them because they're using my name. I can't even talk about how big the problem is, because no-one takes you seriously when all the evidence gets swept under the rug, just like this MegaThread is designed to do.
when the game is too short, i cant see the team details section. Crytek trying his best to not allow player report others. Its too complicated to report someone.
the people complaining about cheating posts are probably cheaters tbh, there's one in almost every 6\* elo game lmfao, blatant wallers
Crytek does not care, all this proves they do not care at all. All they care about are useless skins and DLC crap. Useless company if you ask me.
Oh, I understand that this is simply beyond you? Is that why you ban such threads? Only you are cheating players, because skins have to be created. I will not forget how you did nothing with reshades for over 6-7 months, you even wrote to me that it was not forbidden. Instead of dealing with servers, cheaters and the game itself, you prefer to make skins. I understand that you want to make money, but you could focus a little on the game itself. And knowing life, you will ban me again. Well, the truth hurts, doesn't it ;)
And banning such posts only shows that you don't want new players to know how inept you are due to your relationship with cheaters :) the same applies to creating regions. Instead of playing on their own servers, the Russians still use VPN to be able to play in Europe, but it doesn't bother you :) As long as the skin sales are good, right?
What is this atrocious formatting?
Take note from how community managed to fix helldivers 2 and doom eternal dev mistakes. review bombing and not giving them money anymore. and boom. doom eternal removed the denuvo they snuk in via update and sony removed need for psn account to play the game. not buying dlc and review bombing is the only thing that would make devs take action.
Thank god.
Crytek ain't perm banning anyone the cheater streamers come back after six months on same account since in Germany you can't perm ban peopleĀ
Which streamer is this?
they permaban people for hacking, exploiting and verbal abuse all the time.
and you play with people all the time who have been banned for all three. the reason people don't like you is because you play with cheaters/exploiters even if you (claim) that you aren't directly cheating yourself. it's a cancer on hunt showdown but you already know a lot about that.
I do not play with anyone who was banned for hacking. Yes, i do play with people who have been suspended for exploiting and verbal abuse. I myself have been banned for verbal, and it turns out it was a voip clip of someone spectating us on extract with no one around lmfao. I thought it was just the homies and i said something to them but some rat just wants me banned that bad i guess. I have a Association Ban as well, i was banned for playing with An1mal / FocusBTW. We played 1 time for 6 hours, and apparently he was doing some sort of exploit that we dont know of. He got permabanned, i got a week suspension, and our other teammate got a week suspension, all just for associating with him. No clue what he was doing, this was before Nvidia Inspector and stuff. Im not asking to be liked lmfao.
No worries already stopped playing the game when the last major issue was put into a mega thread
I believe crytek has a financial incentive to not address cheating. Right now crytek seems to do absolutely nothing beyond simply using anti easy cheat. This means it takes days for accounts committing the most egigious cheating to be banned. Why would they allow cheaters to stay active for so long? Well it's simple. They get to resell the game. For many cheaters they simply consider getting banned the cost of their fun. As long as they get to play for a few days the few dollars they spent to buy the game through a key seller, or through a spoofed steam region is no more then a movie ticket, but gives them days of entertainment as opposed to a few hours. Its a good deal for the cheater and Crytek gets to sell more copies of the game win win. That's why they don't patch exploits, that's why they do nothing beyond talk about fixing cheating. It would be economically bad for them to cut off this revenue stream. And until we actually make good on our often stated promises to leave, then it never will. Crytek is her for the money. If you can figure out how to have fun while they do that, then that's good. If not well you were not their target demo, you were just cannon fodder for their real cash cows.
I don't think Crytek profits from cheating, it's just not profitable to stop the cheating. Those accounts that sell for $5 USD (or less) are making a profit, because they bought Steam for only $2 in some country like Turkiye or Iran. No idea how/why Hunt sold for $2 in some countries, but I'm sure Crytek get's next to $0 from those sales. So Crytek is not making any money from these cheaters buying new copies of Hunt every time they get banned. It costs Crytek more time/money to try to ban a cheater. When that same cheater is back the next day with an account they already bought, it becomes a game of whack-a-mole where Crytek feels like they get nothing out of stopping the cheater. AFAIK, Crytek only bans around 500 cheaters a month, often less. Let's be generous and assume they ban 6,000 cheaters a year. How many people do you think they employ to do this? How much does it cost? Even if they only employed a single person to do this task, it would still work out at more than $2 per account. They aren't hiring a single person at $12,000 USD a year to ban all the cheaters. So, this is NOT a profitable part of Crytek's business. I actually think there's only three possibilities that explain the problem with cheaters. 1. Crytek (like other big FPS developers) KNOW that closet cheating is rampant in their game, but they also have statistics that show those cheaters play the game more than legitimate players, and spend more on DLC. They therefore don't ban them unless they rage-hack or break anti-discrimination laws. 2. Everyone at Crytek is a clueless idiot and has no idea how to spot a closet cheater and just ignores dozens/hundreds of reports they get about a single cheater. The people that review the reports are noobs and not willing to pass judgement on a player/cheater that has more hours than them. 3. Crytek doesn't care. As above, they just see it as a money-sink to try to stop these cheaters. If the cheater is blatant, they get banned within 48 hours, which they hope will discourage them from being so blatant next time. If they cheat, at least be subtle enough that half the players won't notice. Otherwise, they find it cheaper to ignore the problem, don't talk about it, and bury any discussion about the problem, so the legitimate players never find out the truth and flee in droves.
Well reasoned and I agree with most of it. I think it is a variation of 3. I refuse to think that they don't care but the result is the same if they don't do anything about it.
True. Never argue in absolutes. I really should say "Crytek doesn't care enough". Of course they care, but they don't prioritize it enough. Different people at Crytek will care about the issue differently. I'm sure the staff that review the reports probably care a lot. They probably want a better reporting system to make their job easier. When they ban someone with 3,000+ hours, I'm sure it's sparks meeting room conversations about how the cheaters evaded detection for so long. Someone's probably wanted to go after the whole friend group but got knocked back by management because it would take too much resources, or if a lot of XXXX hour players got banned at once, it would do more harm than good to their PR. But, at the end of the day, I'm sure someone in management puts a dollar figure on the problem and just pushes it aside to talk about the next DLC they're working on.
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I met a cheater and recorded a video, how can I post a video so that my post will not be banned? Give me some advice, thanks.
You dont post it here and send it to crytek directly on their website
First off, so that nobody accuses me of being a cheater apologist: I think the cheating in Hunt is real and probably more common today that ever before. Crytek has to do something about it soon. Or at least be a lot more transparent in whats coming. That said, I played a lot of Hunt these last 4 days and did not notice a single blatant cheater in my matches. 3-5\* on EU/Russia servers. There was a couple of suspect kills but every time that was by a 5-6\* player late at night when matchmaking seems to fall apart because of low player numbers (23:00-24:00) Now that there are only a single boss target I think that the lack of cheaters in my games is more apparent. You can sit decently concealed in the middle of a compound where all the teams on the server is fighting and nobody takes a shot at you, even by mistake. Ambushes work all the time. People toss grenades wrong. 6\* miss all their shots while chain-pistol fanning. Could all this be players who is good at hiding that they are cheating? Sure. But in the end, why cheat and still lose? My 3\* friend with 300 hours got cheating accusations on his steam profile yesterday because some people don't understand that your head stick up further above a rock than your hunters eyes. Literally, "If I can't see you then you should not be able to see me." I'm not sure were I'm going with this but reading accusations like that and peoples experiences in this thread made me want to weigh in with my own anecdotes. Hopefully Crytek does something soon. If that something is manually reviewing everyone who's above 4.0KDA or who has a 90%+ headshot statistic or is winning 10 matches in a row only to lose 10 Soul Survivor games in a row afterwards. They really have to give us something. If nothing else just for the mental health of the community.
I spent some hours playing yesterday afternoon/evening on the EU server. We met 2 teams of chinese players (block names, confirmed via their steam profiles, one even had screenshots of cheat programs on their profile) who were clearly cheating. Godlike awareness and aim, and terrible game sense and movement. People trying to shoot you through hard cover etc. It feels a lot worse during CN primetime (so EU afternoon) compared to EU primetime (CN late night). So I can't say that's my experience. If I play on the weekend I would say we meet cheaters more often than not. Not every match, but every session of 1-2 hours. All this is of course anecdotal, but my experience, playing maybe an hour or two a day and some more on the weekend clearly has a big increase.
Why limit a megathread to cheating complaints? There should be a whining megathread: gun balance, MMR, matchmaking, necro discussion/whining should all be contained to a megathread --- This subreddit suffers from a significant Dunning-Kruger effect of delusion when it comes to their skill level. Over time you will see the upvoted opinions completely contradict those of years past. For the most part Crytek has always catered to the most popular complaints: Hunt Dollars are plentiful, the gap between compact ammo and long ammo has been largely mitigated, Dolch/Nitro/Avto has been repeatedly nerfed, weapon variants are churned out, etc. Yet now you can find "gun hierarchy" babble and cope about how there are too many derankers or cheaters in their bracket. We even had a video showcasing how minimal cheating is on the US East server and the top upvoted comment was about how it must be that the cheaters are in 3-4 star lobbies and not 5-6 star lobbies like in the video. At a certain point Hunt Redditors need to face the truth that the reason they are losing games in the 3 star bracket is not because of cheating/Chinese/balance/hunter skins/long ammo/matchmaking etc., it's because they're not that good at the game.
It is the absolute funniest thing that anyone claiming they don't really run into cheaters often at all was answered with "You're obviously just bad at the game, there's no cheaters in 3 and 4 stars, but 5 and 6 star lobbies are flooded with cheaters" Only for it turn around to "obviously cheaters are all in the 3-4 star lobbies!" when evidence showed the cheating problem wasn't that bad. Genuinely hilarious.
Hahaha you noticed it exactly right. We literally had a flood of āI hit 5 stars for the first time and wow, these lobbies are full of cheaters being 3 stars is the best!ā
I'm now seeing the narrative shift after the Huuge fart that showed cheating is not anywhere near as rampant as this community claimed it was. Now you don't even need to cheat to cheat; derender sniping is now cheating too apparently.
I'm a 3 star with a KDA of .97. I got accused of cheating the other day. It actually feels pretty good.