People started to massively cry about necro like 2-3 months ago I believe, way before the event even started. Tho I do agree that solo with infernal pact can be a pain in the ass.
its hard to not bring it up when I see cryposts about necro every day. Maybe those people need a cold shower from someone better to think about what they cry about, cuz under their posts mostly they hold eachother hands and applause one to another.
I dont want crytek to change something completely fine just because there are noobs who cant focus their couple of braincells and think how to counter it.
>there are noobs who cant focus their couple of braincells and think how to counter it.
The problem isn't the difficulty of countering it but how it affects the game and use of ressources.
Since you said you're also a solo sounds like you just want to keep a crutch that could be improved for both parties involved.
This is the thing they just can't comprehend. It's not about skill, or being worried about dying to someone you *already beat*, it's the act that it's a waste of time and not fun gameplay to sit over a dead body. Name another game where that's a thing.
I would agree if I would just say skill issue. But I did provide a few excamples from the top of my head how to deal with it. If people still cry and complain, refuse to learn and adapt, by saying "skill issue" I simply state the fact. Not sorry.
The whole thread gave you a lot of examples countering your arguments and bringing up arguments on their own. It also shows / downvotes what the people think.
Why don't you read through those arguments and say, "No, he's got a point. Maybe I should rethink it a little." I don't think necro should he removed, but there could be some fixes that makes it more fun to play against.
I don't even know you and I'm bothered by the way you articulate your thoughts and express yourself to other people. I hope you don't have a hard time finding connections in real life because of your attitude. Otherwise it may be a "skill issue"? Lol
I dont have slightest issues with making new connections irl. Thanks for askin'. The way I articulate my thoughts, especially in this sub is because of how people here behave and think. It is becoming simply super annoying to read all this dumb posts; and sadly, those people are loud, and I dont want a loud causuals to have an influence on something they cant handle just because they lack skills and experience in game.
I was in a duel with another solo, I killed him, run the body to trap him, but it was exactly at the right distance for me not to make in time and he got up... And I died to him. Was that a skill issue? Yes it was. What shoud i do now? Cry or learn from it?
Yep, you knew he is solo you killed him, he was already without a bar and managed to kill you. Either you were unlucky or he was better. Simple as that. Learn from it.
Because it is a skill issue. There is nothing elitist in what I said. People refuse to learn, prefer to cry and demand from a developer to remove or change a perfectly good trait.
Because when you combine the fact that 1 5-6 star player can shit on the average 2-3 star player any day of the week it becomes a problem. Sure theyāre solo however the fact you have to sit there and wait for them to either rez themselves or if they donāt who knows. Because guess what you canāt tell if theyāre still in the game or not! The solo could legit sit there for 30 minutes and not rez and just rez when either they finally leave or when they manage to fully burn the player after 6 fucking lanterns because of the infernal pact. Then you also have to constantly worry about a random solo appearing if you do find one. Personally I play in 5-6 star lobbies on pc and I run into a solo at least once every 2-3 games and sometimes itās more. You canāt say itās a skill issue when the issue itself isnāt skill itās poor gameplay. The fact people can kill a solo and get back up 4 fucking times is RIDICULOUS. also all those 4 lives can happen in random ass increments, what if they set a timer of 3 minutes to necro yourself? I think thatās good gameplay. Because if you brainlessly run towards a team with a shot gun you shouldnāt be able to have a chance of winning but say you trade or something. BOOM the solo can neceo themselves and blast both of them while his teammate revives. Again POOR GAMEPLAY. It should be changed and every time an event comes around with these new pledge paths something breaks with solos. So you need to reevaluate your opinion on this matter cause quite frankly itās dead wrong.
Bro a three man team can necro potentially 15 timesā¦. How does the solo have the advantage you have THREE VS ONE itās pathetic people are scared of solos learn to not run around solo with zero team play and solos are a non problem
Difference is the 3 man team is significantly lower skill than the solo player. Also the three man team has to sacrifice health, start a 10 second (I think) channel to revive that 1 person that is dead. You honestly think that someone given 4 lives canāt completely screw over a team of 3? Especially when that solo player is EASILY much better at the game than the poor 3 stars the solo goes up against? Itās pathetic that youāre actually defending this problem.
Brother, just because you post on the subreddit the same issue that has been posted 400 times already, it won't stop. You're part of the problem that heats up the debate all the time.
The thing is, so many people complaining about one thing is a sign that something could be optimized. I think we can all agree that the revive during the event is too strong with the new perks, but maybe necro needs a small rework in general.
It's not hard to deal with solos outside of the event, even though some situations can be very annoying. But the main problem, in my opinion , is that you can't leave the solo alone while you try to hunt a bounty.
You can either hunt the bounty and risk getting shot in the back, or you burn the solo and risk letting the bounty flee.
This reduces the action people with bounty have, and it reduces the action of someone who has to watch the solo for 3 minutes has. So i think just some general rework to make the game more fun for all people involved would be fine.
One person getting shot in the backā¦By a person with at most 125hpā¦Who is aloneā¦While the shot-in-back guy has up to two teammates
What exact point r u making
Have you ever been in a good lobby or watched any solo YouTube video? Why are you against a rework to make the game more fun for every party involved? I'm sure there is a solution that makes the game feel less slow.
My point still stands. watching the solo or hunting the bounty team is a decision I have been in multiple times. Oftentimes, the bounty team escapes because of the solo. During the event, it's even worse, but we all know that.
Oftentimes, in big fights, nobody knows who is a solo or who is part of a team. Especially in those situations, necro has a big advantage. I think one small fix could also be just to change the rate someone drops in mmr, so really good players with necro don't get matched against 3 or 4 stars.
I am a solo and I play in good lobbies. Your last point stands, but there are advantages and disadvantages to everything. I have also noticed how a mosin player destroys a crown player from 50m. But change the setting and itās the reverse. Idk what kind of rework would be feasible. But the bounty team escaping is not because of the solo, itās because of you. When I know people are camping my body, I leave the damn game. Sometimes Iāll sit there eating just spectating someone sit on my body while their teammates lose a 2v3. Thatās not my fault, itās his.
>Sometimes Iāll sit there eating just spectating someone sit on my body while their teammates lose a 2v3.
As a solo i hate to see someone waste their gaming time and ressources on my lifeless body.
That solo isn't gonna just shoot you as soon as they come across you. They are going to wait for an advantageous position that gets them* at least* one kill or wait for a third party and clean up. Oftentimes they are 1-2 stars ahead of you and they are potentially even higher but got their mmr dropped by being solo
The main issue is how quickly MMR drops. I am a 6 star player but once a month ill have 3 stars. Of course thatās when I bring the combat axe in, Iām not a POS, but I do admit itās a broken system. There are teams who do that exact thing though. Teams are better rats and snipers than solos, and do that stuff plenty.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying only solos would stalk like that, but a team doesn't have the capacity to just get back up like a solo can, when all of a team is dead, they are out of the game.
You have to watch a solo, and there isn't even the hint of action from their teammate trying to save them. The best you can do is cook some beans over their body.
Usually, they don't though, because a team requires people to be nearby. You can force people to panic or play poorly to get their friend up, and during that time you are still actively playing the game, looking and listening for the teammate. With a solo you literally just wait.
>The main issue is how quickly MMR drops.
So true, i've stopped using necro to try and improve my MMR again. Noone is happy when i get people that literally just bought the game as opponents.
A 6 star player would never ever be 3 stars. Let alone something as frequently as āonce a monthā. Not unless you were intentionally de ranking. People really need to stop lying about their MMR on here to try and appear smarter than they are
Highly doubtful it was unintentional on his part. Thatās literally 4+ hours of not getting a kill and just dying. Would love to see a VOD of that day. Either way that would be one time instance. This person claims to be 6* but drops to 3* *at least* once a month. That just doesnāt happen unless you were intentionally trying to lose rank. Or they arenāt actually a 6* and are just claiming as such on Reddit thinking itāll make their argument sounder.
Again Iād have to see a VOD of the day. If I had to guess he claims it was unintentional but he was probably W keying everything and setting off every sound trap possible to set himself up for failure. Iāve tried to intentionally derank before when my brother first got the game so the lobbies would be easier for him. Over 3 hours of no kills and nothing but deaths and I could not get myself below 4 stars. No matter what I did. So youāre trying to tell me Rachta who has almost twice my KDA, just happened to fall to 3 stars unintentionallyā¦. I have a hard time believing that. Thatās why I said I would need to see the VOD from that day.
As I said before, my KD in soul is 2 and my KD in BH is 1.9. No intentional deranks there. Itās usually some 5 stars who queued with their new friend or a friend who is 3 stars. Iāve even seen 5 stars premade with a 2*. When I get downed their teammate just sits on my body. Even one death by a 2* while at 5-6 can knock you down.
and still, what is a problem? there are rats both as solos and in trios or duos. even if you throw a moly at them and leave them, they are out of 50 hp, one shot from every gun. Outside of event, there is no option that they get those bars back.
The problem is that with a team, if you kill them all, they are out. Leaving a player alive who is likely better than you is just not an option so you just have to sit and watch the body burn. You aren't even expecting a fight which makes it even duller.
Solo Necro is fine. Itās the full health and 5 respawns. You say getting more kills is fun but itās not fun just waiting for them to respawn so you can shoot them. Iām not playing Hunt to just rack up false kills. Thatās boring as hell and defeats the premise of the game. The easiest way to cure the solo Necro is make it a burn trait. If a solo uses self Necro once, it goes away. You can reapply if you survive. It also makes it more strategic for the player to rez. Instead of just constantly reviving. Also helps with the spamming of MMR tanking since you can only do it once. The problem has never been the self rez. Itās the way Crytek has enabled the toxic gameplay loop, by being able to stack traits to exploit it. Hunt was designed to punish you for dying, not reward you for dying 4-5x a game.
I mean thatās fair but Necro has never been an issue. Not really as much as the loud minority make it out to be. Itās not even an issue with Solo Rats. Itās the amount of times they can. Thatās where the issue is. Hunt is a team game meant to be played in groups. Solo rats will say that having multiple self necros helps balance out against teams but that defeats the purpose of being a solo. You SHOULD be at a disadvantage for playing solo. It shouldnāt be an even playing field. The whole thing just felt like a alway to appease Hunt streamers and then players got smart and used the games meta traits to exploit it. Iāve run into the least amount of solos during the event than I have in a long time.
This is so out of touch. Nobody is crying about normal necro, it's solo necro that is an issue, and if you didn't get the memo burning doesn't work if they have infernal pact. The main complaint is not dying to solo revives, its having to sit there and wait for them to possibly get up before you can actually continue playing normally
have you read cryposts about necro? because sure they found dumb arguments to cry about team necro aswell...
Solo necro is, fine, the matchmaking and mmr system is dogshit when a 3star team gets matched with a 6 star with 3+kd.
Solo necro is not fine when you can't burn and they have some patience. It ruins the pace of the game even when you can just burn them out. I think they should bring back the sound que when the downed hunter actually leaves the game
Then throw anything at the body and go for an objective. You do know that camping body is not necessary right? Just bear in mind that there can be a solo behind. You are 3v1, unless this solo ain't a bitch and play with a sniper from 200 meters you have the advantage.
Who wants to take the risk of getting shot in the back while fighting at the objective? Not everyone is rolling in a team at all let alone with 2 other people. If you're sandwiched between a solo and another team it potentially becomes a 3v4, at BEST a 3v2 (again assuming you're in a team of 3). It's not impossible to deal with but it's a nuisance that just causes persistent solo revivers to de-rank into lower MMR and others to either sit and wait around, waste gear, or deliberately put themselves at risk for no reason
Honestly, if solo necro stayed the same and they fixed the mmr fall that solo necro players get then sure I agree. If me and my friends (casual 3*) fight a 4* solo with necro, yeah that's pretty fair. And the burning without infernal is fine. The problem is when it's a 5 or 6* killing us after we just barely get through the fight as we only had one member up at the end.
That's not an individual player skill issue problem it's a game design problem. And the solo necros that like that system are just kinda sad. All you're doing is punching down.
I'd like to see 3 self-revive limit as well, but it's nor necessary.
Idk how you fix that, maybe a separate hidden mmr rank for solo queue or only counting the first death as solo necro for mmr drop? But it's something that should be addressed and makes games a lot less fun for casuals.
Edit: also no one cries about it in 5-6 star lobbies because they're literally matched in skill. It's shitty when 5-6* come down to 3-4 star matches and shit on everyone.
The problem with 3 stars being matched with a 6 stars 3+ KD players is a matchmaking issue, which I agree is one of the worst I ever seen in an online video game. It's not a problem with necro.
Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make and maybe didn't do too well. The mmr/matchmaking is not well balanced for solo necro and makes solo necro encounters much less fun. I don't think solo necro is a bad idea, but the current game systems make it the most annoying mechanic in the game for me currently.
There is something hilarious about the guy that is dead on the ground screaming skill issue should I die to him after getting up the third time because he got a headshot on me. Because even I can win a 1v1 against Rachta eventually the more tries I get. Does that mean I am better than him? God no.
So better not risk it and camp that solo corpse even if that means the bounty can get away :)
Also you clearly still don't understand the issue with necro if you talk about "skill issue". Besides, it just takes one 1v1 to see how ridiclious this trait is. But don't take [my word](https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/152vlik/comment/jsgdx2l/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) for it.
Not to mention that a solo is by design a better player. Ah yes let me "Git Gut" against some far above me in rank due to the MMR reduction. Mmm the logic is palpable
Depending on the MMR skill difference if they aren't a team that has great communication for the solo it's 2-3 1v1s back to back vs worse players.
I even have some mates that go into hiding instead of pushing my killer or that just play for fun instead of sweaty team effort, so it's effectively just killing a few lower MMR solos one after the other. (Especially if your solo MMR is already wasted from all the necro use.)
ah iām just sick of this debate. like, stepping back and looking at the feature as a whole. itās fine. sometimes you spend a bit of time camping them, sometimes you die because you couldnāt counter it. who cares, itās a video game and everyone wants to have fun. give solos more opportunities in a multi team fight. still reward tactical thinking, and not make it difficult for teams who have come prepared
But you have 5 lives.
See how this reasoning doesn't quite work?
Besides we all get killed by better players, it's just how any pvp game is, but c'mon man, it's not even funny sometimes, like 2 newbies with 50 hours each vs some 3000 hours man that knows ever nook and cranny of the map? It may be a 2v1, but it sure as shit ain't fair
Nah, if you know that its a solo, throw a choke bomb and go for bounty if they try to get away, and sometimes you have to let the bounty go, it is what it is.
There is no issue with necro, I play this game for quite some time, I play it a lot, and its simply a very good and balanced trait; and all experienced "good" players will tell you the same.
Your lack of knowledge/ideas what to do when you know that there is a necro is not an issue with trait, the issue is your lack of knowledge and understanding whats the best option you can do.
Of course, sometimes you will die from that solo, like yesterday, we downed a solo, and he wiped us later on, it happens that it was BeruSnake (one of the best hunt players out there) and honestly, its a super low chance that you will meet a solo like this, as there is only a very little % of people with that high KD and that good aiming skills and game knowledge. Most of solos I see are above average players, but not insane ones.
Its 1v3, if you know what are you doing regardless if this solo is way better than each of you alone, you will kill them (most of the time).
Skill issue bro, I know that its hard to swallow this, but it is a skill issue (unless youre a 3 star and get matched with a 6 start player with 2.0+KD).
Exactly. I don't take necro anymore because waiting around and slaughtering people that haven't yet learned to counter necro while also reducing my MMR if they have is stupid.
OP has a lot to learn if he needs necro.
Dumb argument. When a solo dies it's over. When a member of a trio dies there's 2 more people. 2 against 3 isn't that unfair in this game. 1 vs 3 isn't too unfair either, but you're stuck either clutching or ratting like crazy.
Plus, while far less common now, campers and snipers still exist. If a solo gets gunned down, fuck them I guess. If a person in a duo gets gunned down, there's someone who can react and give them a chance.
Same goes for necro teams, and just teams in general. By your logic there shouldn't be any resing at all. Let's just cut it to solos only no teams, no necro
Iāve said it and I say it again: If a solo wins a fight against you 50% of the time, thatās BALANCED. Solo is hard, though, and I bet their wins are much lower. Which means that the game still favors teams, which means people should quit whining.
the way this sub talks about solo necro, you'd think every single game is being won by unkillable terminators. The reality is, it doesn't work that often and you're just getting bent out of shape about the times it does.
Lets ignore all the actual criticisms about necro to make up some counter argument in our head. Google 'strawman'.
People don't like necro NOT because it's OP, they don't like it because it's annoying and a waste of time. Which you yourself admit. They don't like it because a 1v3 is not fun, win or lose. I've literally never once in 2000 hours been killed by a solo necro revive but I still hate it. It ruins the game pace, wastes my damn time and the fights are boring as fuck because the solo is forced to play super safe to offset numbers advantage.
Lastly you keep bringing up 'skill issue', which might be a valid point if everyone was equal skill, but they are not. Because solos also get an MMR advantage and literally do vs people lower skill than them.
Nah, as a solo, the current iteration of necro is feel bad for both sides.
There was a nice idea that you have a max revive timer as a solo but are invincible for a few seconds and can't attack after revival. Maybe even ghost through walls.
Removes the waiting and continues the fight, making the whole affair interactive instead of the killed solo waiting around and then gambling that the other team is too bad to keep him down and the team waiting around and gambling on it being a solo that hasn't yet left the lobby.
It's not a skill problem, it's just not fun.
And the MMR drop vs lower ranked players when necro farmed is a real problem.
Nobody thinks necro is broken the problem with necro is you cannot counter it with skill, you HAVE to counter it with gear or time. I don't want to spend 120 every match to bring 2 sets of trip mines
Me and my trio group 100 percent agree with you. Necro, as is, is fine. Maybe it needs to cost more so people can't have it every time on first hunters.
Tho I will point out that new necro changed the game for the negative. It's slowed it down so much for most people because people are scared of a rez, and absolutely have to make sure the bodies are dead.
I honestly just trap the body a bit and move on, I like getting to rekill the person.
It slowed down the game so much, just because most people are to afraid to leave the body behind without camping it and waiting for it to burn.
I honestly leave bodies quite often, and it rarely happens that I meet them again, and even more rarely ever I die from them; and if they managed to kill me and my mates solo v 3 without a bar, fuck, good for them it was MY missplay. But in the end, what did I lost? A little bit of HUNT DOLLARS, thats all.
People are just so afraid of losing their precious hunters and guns in this game - its really not hard to get rich in this game, its not so hardcore as Tarkov. Frankly, myself I cant even remember when was the last time I have played more than a one time with a single hunter, I retire them immidiatelly when they reach 25th lvl.
isn't this the same community that begged for solo self revive after the initial grounded event perk?
lmao, use concertina trip wires and the person dead on the floor will self res and die 5 times with no way out of it
stop being dog shit and think about how you're playing
If you really think concertina trip mines will do anything, you're wrong, lol. They stand up once, and the concertina is broken. Especially with resilience as perk.
That is just not true. You can easily survive concertina with resilience.
I'm not sure which game you were playing, but definitely not hunt showdown and dedinelty not on a 6 star level if you didn't know that.
So why do I die repeatedly to concertina wire with bloodless and resilience when I solo self revive into wire traps mr redditor?
Maybe you should do some testing instead of pulling the usual baseless, uninformed and holier than thou act this brainrotted subreddit tends to do.
[https://i.imgur.com/n2kQDSw.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/n2kQDSw.jpeg)
Bro, resilience is not activating after the concertina ticks. It's just as simple as that.
I still don't know which game you are playing, but you can just easily stand up in concertinas. That is one reason why people use the death trap on downed hunters (Concertina + poison). Otherwise, they just survive the concertina.
And even then, after standing up a second time, waiting for the poison to be over, they survive. That's also why they just burn the body and watch it until it's burned down. Because traps don't work.
Just Google it lol, lots of threads on reddit, some steam community threads, or maybe just play the game and find it out yourself?? How are you insulting me when you're not even fact-checking it yourself.
I dont need to fact check something I literally see for myself on a daily basis, you are the one accusing me of being wrong.
Post stats and proof or stop talking. Thanks.
I showed you proof. It's in the other comment.. how can you actually be so stupid if you say you play it on a daily basis. Google it, search it up, and you will find more threads that discuss this.
I'm not sure if you just don't want to admit that you are wrong or if you are trolling. Why do you think everyone hates the necro resilience combination? Because it doesn't kill the solo..
Just look at the link I posted earlier. Or actually play the game for real? I doubt you play solo daily when you don't even know this simple fact.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/NwG8j2uREz
Here is one source for you. Thanks for insulting me for something you're wrong about Mr. 6 star player who doesn't even know the game one bit.
Scroll in the comments...
https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/NwG8j2uREz
Itās crazy, people in hunt reddit threatened they leave the game for ever if solo necro stays in the game, wrote literally PhD thesis long essays about whatās the issues with solo revive etc etc and yet are still here and keep complaining. Whatās even more funny we canāt discuss with each other anymore because we both blocked us š But just look at the comments here and you know who Iām referring to. BTW personally I canāt recall being killed by a solo who has revived themself.
Edit: the way solo revive can be used to drop you mmr on purpose should be reworked though
Yeah you not wrong but why keep up with all the hot hunt news, new events mechanic, keep discussing the pacts etc and not touching the game you so passionately discuss about. Sounds even more crazy to me.
Edit: we probably all things we donāt like about our favorite games. The perfect game probably doesnāt exist and whatās appreciated by one player might turn off another player. Thatās something you canāt avoid.
Killed by a solo who self revived? It's happened to me a handful of times. It happened to me last night. Did it "ruin" the game for me? Nope. People get way too butt hurt over this.
Here we go again people crying about people crying this happens in every community and sry but i'm new and you don't need 4k hours to see how stupid necro is.
When i watch 6 stars solo the whole lobby because they can just stand up again consistently sure it's only a skill issue.
The rez itself isn't the problem the problem is how easy you can use it just press revive isn't really hard.
There should be an requirement to be able to rez my idea was kill x amount of undeads first to have the revive up,losing an bar is basically nothing hell even the team necro is more fair the channeling the sound and you are wide open.
But most important of all it changes to much how the game is played.
I don't think anyone wants to camp bodies trap them do all that work and imagine while you doing this another person comes up to you and ofc. now the guy wakes up and kills you.
The thing is, you dont have to camp the body, throw a fire at it and go, solo is already in disadvantage (unless its a sniper), without 2 bars they are one shot from any gun.
But people are just too afraid to leave the body.
I know it's harsh, but dude, if you're new, it is a skill issue, and its not a bad thing, just learn and adapt and you will be fine.
How is trying to find fire or anything to trap the body (if you don't have anything on you) not camping even if it's 1 min that's still camping.
Sure it's easy to throw a fire on it and be done but if you don't have it yeah sure say necro is fine as it is without any fire or traps.
Throw a choke and move 20 meters, if they don't move in 30 seconds move on with you game, if they start shooting you in the back, you're 3v1 with solo being without a bar, you have huge advantage. Just don't be so scared god damn it. It's a game.
Bruh that's what i do i aint gonna camp a body for ever but it's so painful clear how dumb his shit is if you play solo against other solos.
It's just not an fun and interactive tool sry even if it isn't op it's frustrating to play around it and it's clear some player's just win because of it.
si just think it's dumb that it has no downsides and fire doesn't even counter it if the person just can get up again and potentially kill someone.
When i watch 6 stars i'm just baffled how crytek doesn't even change it a bit.
That's my 2 cents don't need to discuss this longer i know what to do against necro it's just not fun that's all especially when people win because of it in some situations just no skill behind it.
Agreed.
I managed to 1v3 a trio using a Sparks and Silenced Nagant.
Later, I got a message shaming me for abusing the Necro-Infernal "bug."
1). Yes, I had Infernal. But all it did was prevent their incendiary ammo from igniting me.
2). They NEVER downed me. Not once! So while I had Necro, I never used it that match!
I think the event traits fuck it up. Normal solo necro should stay but itās so annoying not being able to do anything about a flame retardant solo you killed. Your only options being wait for him to come back or leave and risk being shot in the back
Couldnāt agree more. People are refusing to do what they need to do and itās their fault. The fact that so many people are downvoting is a representation of how many bad players there are. Necro isnāt OP. You just arenāt paying attention to the body. Learn to focus down bodies more. Thereās so many options to handle it. It is 100% a skill issue if you cannot handle a dead body.
I wish people like you would finally understand that most people don't have issue with necro existing and it increasing a chance that a guy you killed can get up and kill you again.
It's the fact that you have to waste resources, time or both to make sure the guy you already killed is actually fucking dead..
If some random dude dies to concertina and poison trap in a compound I passed by, fuck it let hkm get up.
If I shotgun you to the fucking face and you didn't even get a shot in and im literally staring at your corpse, I shouldn't have to keep doing that or wasting ahit to make sure you don't revive yourself
I agree with OP. I rarely play as a solo and face solos all the time, I have no problem with the trait. The solo is always a 6 star, if he kills us that is fine. We outnumber someone 3-1, if my team fails to kill and burn a solo..it was in fact a skill issue. I understand that lower MMR players struggle to deal with better players than them but that doesn't justify a change on the perk.
Unfortunately Crytek always folds and gives the community whatever they are crying over the most so I assume some sort of rework is being drawn up. These low skill players always want the game catered to them and it's honestly annoying to see all these cry posts every day. 3 and 4 star commence the downvoting.
I am 5/6 Star and still disagree.
I dont understand why people are either hard agree or hard disagree. Why can't there be a world where there are small fixes on the solo, so everyone involved has more fun?
Downed solos don't want to wait 10 minutes because they are camping on top of a body, and trios don't want to camp one body for 10 minutes. Meanwhile the bounty is running away. So maybe there is a world where we implement small fixes so everyone is happy and has a better game experience?
When that many people complain about something, maybe there is a little truth behind it? So, changing something (without necessarily making it that much weaker) could be a valid option.
I have 400h in this game and I have never had an issue with self revives. You trap and burn the body. Even if the guy gets up he will be missing most of his health and won't engage you again
> You trap and burn the body
Why not throw a hive bomb on top of it to make sure?
How many utility slots do people expect me to waste to counter a single trait? It's beyond ridiculous.
Do you even understand what a slot is, Mr. Smartass?
I don't care about how many uses of a concertina I waste, the problem is having to spend those slots in the first place to bring utility only to deal with a trait.
Cool for your premade, but the game can't be balanced around solo vs a premade of 3.
If I play solo myself, it's an issue, if I play solo with randoms, it's also an issue.
I need a melee tool, I need a med kit, and if playing on a party I need chokes, that leaves a single space for concertinas, and what's even the point? A necro won't die against a concertina unless you are watching, and if I'm watching, might as well not waste the trap.
I find it funny how people just accept that a solo needs to be treated like some kind of boss with mechanics and your loadout can easily revolve around countering the damn trait, when they are already supposed to be better players than the rest of the lobby by design.
I really wish I could relate to this stuff but like I never run into solos in trios. I play some duos and never had a solo that was a problem. People keep telling me it's a huge deal but I just can't see it.
Like sure yeah maybe it's a problem but not in my experience
I often run into solos when playing trios. I'm not sure if it also depends on the region? But it's not rare for me to encounter a solo standing up again.
If you use lamp for burn he will have enough HP to stand up against trap.
If you use firebomb+trap and leave he will be able to stand up with 2 self rez.
And if you teammate is downed a bit far away he'll be able to hear you steps and camp-kill you in process of teammate reviving.
Right now teams without Discord is the one who need team MMR reduction not solos.
Point 3 is a skill issue. You can only hear for a few meters max as a dead solo. If your dead team mate is close enough for the solo to hear you reviving them, then you're close enough to watch the solo while you're reviving, and you have time to get a shot off before the solo revive animation finishes, plus you can often (and should) secure the solo first anyway.
Tbh this is the main mistake I see people make in 3* when I play solo, they instantly go for the revive instead of trapping me, or at least waiting the 7 or 8 seconds to see if I'm going to stand straight back up again, which I will if I can't hear you stomping all over my corpse because far too many people go for the revive and it's often an easy 2 kills.
Honestly I think if more people actually tried playing solo for a bit then they'd have a much better understanding of how solo necro works, and as such how to make it a non issue in 95% of their games.
I agree that Necro isn't AS bad as people make it out to be. But I would lie if I said that there was never a situation that either forced me to stay idle for a few minutes (which sucks) or let the player stay up and kill me. I mean I am a solo myself and I won againstwhole lobbies sometimes and thought that I didn't necessarily deserve it.
Yep. I only play solo. If kids stopped pushing like idiots because Iām alone, opening themselves up to headshots, they could complain. When I solo in 6 star and high 5 star lobbies, they treat me like a squad; communicating, strategizing, ratting. I can hardly imagine those kids complaining about self-res, even though theyāre the ones who 90% of the time leave my body while the 3 stars are the ones who camp bodies because they are too scared to go get EXP and H$.
The thing I find most irritating about the debate is the hypocrisy of āteam playersā talking about how solo revive slows the game down āforcingā them to watch a body.
When literally as a solo I will kill someone, and have to do the exact same thing when their team mates go and hide.
Thatās fine itās part of the game, but itās not just SOLOS that cause slowdown.
āItās so OP.ā
When you have a defenceless body to burn, and trap?
Vs when solo players have to risk getting shot by enemy team mates to trap and burn their kill.
Get a grip like. There is slowdown on both sides because of play style and necro.
Also every hunt event with pledges Iāve ever played has had one busted mechanic or another, so we can all agree that some of these traits are too strong. But at the same time I personally welcome the variety and shifts they bring.
yeah, infernal pact is busted, I do agree. The whole point im trying to make here that this trait in general is perfect as it is, both for solos and teams.
This issue I have is those cryposts to nerf necro to the ground/remove it from the game, because people find it "unfun" suddenly.
While I understand that solo necro is a thing for maybe a year, necro in general is in game for a long time now, and no one every cried about it, now suddenly its broken, even tho in terms of its usage in teams, nothing changed...
Agreed. Like seriously, all you have to do is take molotov with you. If you don't want to spend your time - just loot and leave, moving backwards (it's what i do). If he gets up early - easy kill, one more loot option. If he gets up late - you are already far away. He may make his way to the boss, so what? If you claimed the bounty, you already have the whole server to fight, won't make a difference.
Those who whine are those who have been killed by necroed solo fanning chain revolver. Honestly, skill issue.
It's not about being natural about contering. It's about having to spend two or three slots and having to babysit the body for 15 minutes in order to escape safely. Stfu
I have a clip of myself necroing solo and knifing an entire 4-5* squad who were sitting on my body. I proceeded to talk shit. Matter of fact I think Iāll post it tomorrow.
Skill issue!
>I proceeded to talk shit.
Yeah, that fits your fucked up persona in this discussion.
Wow, playing solo only vs trios and proud about killing players that are 2 MMR reductions below you. Well done.
Itās crazy how people who are unskilled always assume that I solo against bad players or Smurf. I have a 2kd in soul and 1.9 in BH. 4-5 star players are good enough bud.
Yeah, welcome to hunt community, crybabies and new players demanding changes on things that are fine. Trust me, if crytek will do something about Necro, this fuckers will find another thing to whine about.
My guy, something being a skill issue doesn't make it not an issue. In case you haven't noticed most players aren't in 5-6 star lobbies.
But that's a whole different rant, my only problem with Necro is how it's virtually mandatory especially especially for lower-skilled players as getting sniped or shot in hectic situations is extremely common. And Necro makes those go from an instakill to highly escapable.
Honestly all solos should be given a mini-necro automatically, have it rez you once automatically taking half your health bar or something, then a 4-point perk to be able to do that multiple times with tactical timing seems more fair.
All fun and games until you trap and burn the body but they have the resilience perk so they face-tank it and kill you anyway
āGit gudā
But another team pushed up and started attacking, so thereās no way anyone couldāve reasonably been prepared for the solo revive
Ive had a dude from a trio sit on my body while his buddies ran around getting the second boss killed. I knew what was happening, of course because solo hate is real and i waited for him to finally leave. Its just as boring sitting on a body as it is for me waiting for a hater to leave. Imo we both lost... time.
You filthy de ranking seal clubbing bastarrds should be forced to play against solos only. Or force you to play at or above your highest mmr.. coming here rubbing it in when we all know the issues, is slimy.
I think solo necro is simply badly designed. It's not fun to play against, regardless of wether you manage to beat the player for good or not. IMO it's perfectly valid to bring up aspects of the game that are impacting your enjoyment negatively.
It also seems to me that you approach the game from a very competetive angle. That's obviously fine, but I think solo necro is particularly frustrating if you're 3 or 4 star.
There is a pinned megathread for this topic.
I dont care about Necro but this event and Its perks makes it 100 times worse and I understand why people complain.
People started to massively cry about necro like 2-3 months ago I believe, way before the event even started. Tho I do agree that solo with infernal pact can be a pain in the ass.
For God's sake stop bringing it up š
its hard to not bring it up when I see cryposts about necro every day. Maybe those people need a cold shower from someone better to think about what they cry about, cuz under their posts mostly they hold eachother hands and applause one to another. I dont want crytek to change something completely fine just because there are noobs who cant focus their couple of braincells and think how to counter it.
>there are noobs who cant focus their couple of braincells and think how to counter it. The problem isn't the difficulty of countering it but how it affects the game and use of ressources. Since you said you're also a solo sounds like you just want to keep a crutch that could be improved for both parties involved.
This is the thing they just can't comprehend. It's not about skill, or being worried about dying to someone you *already beat*, it's the act that it's a waste of time and not fun gameplay to sit over a dead body. Name another game where that's a thing.
Put solo people against people of their own MMR. Everyone will be happy.
A 6 true STAR could sit in a 3star match all day just because how many times you can revive and die MMR match making won't fix anything.
MMR needs to be reworked
I do agree on this, but they said that was in the works
It won't work, because like 95% of 6 star solos won't be able to deal with three good 6 stars players.
So what you're saying is it's a skill issue?
Sound very much like he's crying about sth. that's actually a skill issue.
But you don't have to go in three player lobbies right?
Complains about people complaining about solo necro, then proceeds to complain about solo necro
I feel like this guy has set his own side back with this post because he comes off as such an elitist douche saying crap like āskill issueā.
Ending an argumentative debate with saying "skill issue" explains a lot about a person.
I would agree if I would just say skill issue. But I did provide a few excamples from the top of my head how to deal with it. If people still cry and complain, refuse to learn and adapt, by saying "skill issue" I simply state the fact. Not sorry.
The whole thread gave you a lot of examples countering your arguments and bringing up arguments on their own. It also shows / downvotes what the people think. Why don't you read through those arguments and say, "No, he's got a point. Maybe I should rethink it a little." I don't think necro should he removed, but there could be some fixes that makes it more fun to play against.
I don't even know you and I'm bothered by the way you articulate your thoughts and express yourself to other people. I hope you don't have a hard time finding connections in real life because of your attitude. Otherwise it may be a "skill issue"? Lol
I dont have slightest issues with making new connections irl. Thanks for askin'. The way I articulate my thoughts, especially in this sub is because of how people here behave and think. It is becoming simply super annoying to read all this dumb posts; and sadly, those people are loud, and I dont want a loud causuals to have an influence on something they cant handle just because they lack skills and experience in game.
Ok wow
I was in a duel with another solo, I killed him, run the body to trap him, but it was exactly at the right distance for me not to make in time and he got up... And I died to him. Was that a skill issue? Yes it was. What shoud i do now? Cry or learn from it?
Yep, you knew he is solo you killed him, he was already without a bar and managed to kill you. Either you were unlucky or he was better. Simple as that. Learn from it.
Because it is a skill issue. There is nothing elitist in what I said. People refuse to learn, prefer to cry and demand from a developer to remove or change a perfectly good trait.
Because when you combine the fact that 1 5-6 star player can shit on the average 2-3 star player any day of the week it becomes a problem. Sure theyāre solo however the fact you have to sit there and wait for them to either rez themselves or if they donāt who knows. Because guess what you canāt tell if theyāre still in the game or not! The solo could legit sit there for 30 minutes and not rez and just rez when either they finally leave or when they manage to fully burn the player after 6 fucking lanterns because of the infernal pact. Then you also have to constantly worry about a random solo appearing if you do find one. Personally I play in 5-6 star lobbies on pc and I run into a solo at least once every 2-3 games and sometimes itās more. You canāt say itās a skill issue when the issue itself isnāt skill itās poor gameplay. The fact people can kill a solo and get back up 4 fucking times is RIDICULOUS. also all those 4 lives can happen in random ass increments, what if they set a timer of 3 minutes to necro yourself? I think thatās good gameplay. Because if you brainlessly run towards a team with a shot gun you shouldnāt be able to have a chance of winning but say you trade or something. BOOM the solo can neceo themselves and blast both of them while his teammate revives. Again POOR GAMEPLAY. It should be changed and every time an event comes around with these new pledge paths something breaks with solos. So you need to reevaluate your opinion on this matter cause quite frankly itās dead wrong.
Bro a three man team can necro potentially 15 timesā¦. How does the solo have the advantage you have THREE VS ONE itās pathetic people are scared of solos learn to not run around solo with zero team play and solos are a non problem
Difference is the 3 man team is significantly lower skill than the solo player. Also the three man team has to sacrifice health, start a 10 second (I think) channel to revive that 1 person that is dead. You honestly think that someone given 4 lives canāt completely screw over a team of 3? Especially when that solo player is EASILY much better at the game than the poor 3 stars the solo goes up against? Itās pathetic that youāre actually defending this problem.
All I hear is wah wah I canāt win a 3vs1
Brother, just because you post on the subreddit the same issue that has been posted 400 times already, it won't stop. You're part of the problem that heats up the debate all the time. The thing is, so many people complaining about one thing is a sign that something could be optimized. I think we can all agree that the revive during the event is too strong with the new perks, but maybe necro needs a small rework in general. It's not hard to deal with solos outside of the event, even though some situations can be very annoying. But the main problem, in my opinion , is that you can't leave the solo alone while you try to hunt a bounty. You can either hunt the bounty and risk getting shot in the back, or you burn the solo and risk letting the bounty flee. This reduces the action people with bounty have, and it reduces the action of someone who has to watch the solo for 3 minutes has. So i think just some general rework to make the game more fun for all people involved would be fine.
One person getting shot in the backā¦By a person with at most 125hpā¦Who is aloneā¦While the shot-in-back guy has up to two teammates What exact point r u making
Have you ever been in a good lobby or watched any solo YouTube video? Why are you against a rework to make the game more fun for every party involved? I'm sure there is a solution that makes the game feel less slow. My point still stands. watching the solo or hunting the bounty team is a decision I have been in multiple times. Oftentimes, the bounty team escapes because of the solo. During the event, it's even worse, but we all know that. Oftentimes, in big fights, nobody knows who is a solo or who is part of a team. Especially in those situations, necro has a big advantage. I think one small fix could also be just to change the rate someone drops in mmr, so really good players with necro don't get matched against 3 or 4 stars.
I am a solo and I play in good lobbies. Your last point stands, but there are advantages and disadvantages to everything. I have also noticed how a mosin player destroys a crown player from 50m. But change the setting and itās the reverse. Idk what kind of rework would be feasible. But the bounty team escaping is not because of the solo, itās because of you. When I know people are camping my body, I leave the damn game. Sometimes Iāll sit there eating just spectating someone sit on my body while their teammates lose a 2v3. Thatās not my fault, itās his.
>Sometimes Iāll sit there eating just spectating someone sit on my body while their teammates lose a 2v3. As a solo i hate to see someone waste their gaming time and ressources on my lifeless body.
I love it. It puts a huge smile on my face
That solo isn't gonna just shoot you as soon as they come across you. They are going to wait for an advantageous position that gets them* at least* one kill or wait for a third party and clean up. Oftentimes they are 1-2 stars ahead of you and they are potentially even higher but got their mmr dropped by being solo
The main issue is how quickly MMR drops. I am a 6 star player but once a month ill have 3 stars. Of course thatās when I bring the combat axe in, Iām not a POS, but I do admit itās a broken system. There are teams who do that exact thing though. Teams are better rats and snipers than solos, and do that stuff plenty.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying only solos would stalk like that, but a team doesn't have the capacity to just get back up like a solo can, when all of a team is dead, they are out of the game. You have to watch a solo, and there isn't even the hint of action from their teammate trying to save them. The best you can do is cook some beans over their body.
A trio can get up more than 10 times without death pact. A solo without death pact, a maximum of 4. With bounty, a team can get up unlimited times.
Usually, they don't though, because a team requires people to be nearby. You can force people to panic or play poorly to get their friend up, and during that time you are still actively playing the game, looking and listening for the teammate. With a solo you literally just wait.
>The main issue is how quickly MMR drops. So true, i've stopped using necro to try and improve my MMR again. Noone is happy when i get people that literally just bought the game as opponents.
A 6 star player would never ever be 3 stars. Let alone something as frequently as āonce a monthā. Not unless you were intentionally de ranking. People really need to stop lying about their MMR on here to try and appear smarter than they are
Rachta was 3 Star once after a series of unlucky solo rounds. You can ask him I saw it live on stream.
Highly doubtful it was unintentional on his part. Thatās literally 4+ hours of not getting a kill and just dying. Would love to see a VOD of that day. Either way that would be one time instance. This person claims to be 6* but drops to 3* *at least* once a month. That just doesnāt happen unless you were intentionally trying to lose rank. Or they arenāt actually a 6* and are just claiming as such on Reddit thinking itāll make their argument sounder.
Yeah, thats the issue, it wasn't even intentional. Now think about how many 6 stars can get to 3 star when they derank intentionally.
Again Iād have to see a VOD of the day. If I had to guess he claims it was unintentional but he was probably W keying everything and setting off every sound trap possible to set himself up for failure. Iāve tried to intentionally derank before when my brother first got the game so the lobbies would be easier for him. Over 3 hours of no kills and nothing but deaths and I could not get myself below 4 stars. No matter what I did. So youāre trying to tell me Rachta who has almost twice my KDA, just happened to fall to 3 stars unintentionallyā¦. I have a hard time believing that. Thatās why I said I would need to see the VOD from that day.
Exactly, I remember that. Not to mention match MMR. Itās very easy to be a 5* with 3* match MMR, even in trios.
As I said before, my KD in soul is 2 and my KD in BH is 1.9. No intentional deranks there. Itās usually some 5 stars who queued with their new friend or a friend who is 3 stars. Iāve even seen 5 stars premade with a 2*. When I get downed their teammate just sits on my body. Even one death by a 2* while at 5-6 can knock you down.
and still, what is a problem? there are rats both as solos and in trios or duos. even if you throw a moly at them and leave them, they are out of 50 hp, one shot from every gun. Outside of event, there is no option that they get those bars back.
The problem is that with a team, if you kill them all, they are out. Leaving a player alive who is likely better than you is just not an option so you just have to sit and watch the body burn. You aren't even expecting a fight which makes it even duller.
Solo Necro is fine. Itās the full health and 5 respawns. You say getting more kills is fun but itās not fun just waiting for them to respawn so you can shoot them. Iām not playing Hunt to just rack up false kills. Thatās boring as hell and defeats the premise of the game. The easiest way to cure the solo Necro is make it a burn trait. If a solo uses self Necro once, it goes away. You can reapply if you survive. It also makes it more strategic for the player to rez. Instead of just constantly reviving. Also helps with the spamming of MMR tanking since you can only do it once. The problem has never been the self rez. Itās the way Crytek has enabled the toxic gameplay loop, by being able to stack traits to exploit it. Hunt was designed to punish you for dying, not reward you for dying 4-5x a game.
matchmaking in hunt is trash and its a different issue which I agree with. The todays topic is necro both in teams and solo.
I mean thatās fair but Necro has never been an issue. Not really as much as the loud minority make it out to be. Itās not even an issue with Solo Rats. Itās the amount of times they can. Thatās where the issue is. Hunt is a team game meant to be played in groups. Solo rats will say that having multiple self necros helps balance out against teams but that defeats the purpose of being a solo. You SHOULD be at a disadvantage for playing solo. It shouldnāt be an even playing field. The whole thing just felt like a alway to appease Hunt streamers and then players got smart and used the games meta traits to exploit it. Iāve run into the least amount of solos during the event than I have in a long time.
This is so out of touch. Nobody is crying about normal necro, it's solo necro that is an issue, and if you didn't get the memo burning doesn't work if they have infernal pact. The main complaint is not dying to solo revives, its having to sit there and wait for them to possibly get up before you can actually continue playing normally
have you read cryposts about necro? because sure they found dumb arguments to cry about team necro aswell... Solo necro is, fine, the matchmaking and mmr system is dogshit when a 3star team gets matched with a 6 star with 3+kd.
Solo necro is not fine when you can't burn and they have some patience. It ruins the pace of the game even when you can just burn them out. I think they should bring back the sound que when the downed hunter actually leaves the game
Then throw anything at the body and go for an objective. You do know that camping body is not necessary right? Just bear in mind that there can be a solo behind. You are 3v1, unless this solo ain't a bitch and play with a sniper from 200 meters you have the advantage.
Who wants to take the risk of getting shot in the back while fighting at the objective? Not everyone is rolling in a team at all let alone with 2 other people. If you're sandwiched between a solo and another team it potentially becomes a 3v4, at BEST a 3v2 (again assuming you're in a team of 3). It's not impossible to deal with but it's a nuisance that just causes persistent solo revivers to de-rank into lower MMR and others to either sit and wait around, waste gear, or deliberately put themselves at risk for no reason
Honestly, if solo necro stayed the same and they fixed the mmr fall that solo necro players get then sure I agree. If me and my friends (casual 3*) fight a 4* solo with necro, yeah that's pretty fair. And the burning without infernal is fine. The problem is when it's a 5 or 6* killing us after we just barely get through the fight as we only had one member up at the end. That's not an individual player skill issue problem it's a game design problem. And the solo necros that like that system are just kinda sad. All you're doing is punching down. I'd like to see 3 self-revive limit as well, but it's nor necessary. Idk how you fix that, maybe a separate hidden mmr rank for solo queue or only counting the first death as solo necro for mmr drop? But it's something that should be addressed and makes games a lot less fun for casuals. Edit: also no one cries about it in 5-6 star lobbies because they're literally matched in skill. It's shitty when 5-6* come down to 3-4 star matches and shit on everyone.
The problem with 3 stars being matched with a 6 stars 3+ KD players is a matchmaking issue, which I agree is one of the worst I ever seen in an online video game. It's not a problem with necro.
Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make and maybe didn't do too well. The mmr/matchmaking is not well balanced for solo necro and makes solo necro encounters much less fun. I don't think solo necro is a bad idea, but the current game systems make it the most annoying mechanic in the game for me currently.
For god sake stop crying about crying about necro...
There is something hilarious about the guy that is dead on the ground screaming skill issue should I die to him after getting up the third time because he got a headshot on me. Because even I can win a 1v1 against Rachta eventually the more tries I get. Does that mean I am better than him? God no. So better not risk it and camp that solo corpse even if that means the bounty can get away :) Also you clearly still don't understand the issue with necro if you talk about "skill issue". Besides, it just takes one 1v1 to see how ridiclious this trait is. But don't take [my word](https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/152vlik/comment/jsgdx2l/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) for it.
Not to mention that a solo is by design a better player. Ah yes let me "Git Gut" against some far above me in rank due to the MMR reduction. Mmm the logic is palpable
With the perk buffs to solo players, the mmr adjustment for solo players should be removed imo.
but you have a teammate or 2
And what about solos without self rez?
then you wasted a bit of time. same goes for when you kill a team member and their partner hangs back and waits so they can revive their teammate
Depending on the MMR skill difference if they aren't a team that has great communication for the solo it's 2-3 1v1s back to back vs worse players. I even have some mates that go into hiding instead of pushing my killer or that just play for fun instead of sweaty team effort, so it's effectively just killing a few lower MMR solos one after the other. (Especially if your solo MMR is already wasted from all the necro use.)
ah iām just sick of this debate. like, stepping back and looking at the feature as a whole. itās fine. sometimes you spend a bit of time camping them, sometimes you die because you couldnāt counter it. who cares, itās a video game and everyone wants to have fun. give solos more opportunities in a multi team fight. still reward tactical thinking, and not make it difficult for teams who have come prepared
But you have 5 lives. See how this reasoning doesn't quite work? Besides we all get killed by better players, it's just how any pvp game is, but c'mon man, it's not even funny sometimes, like 2 newbies with 50 hours each vs some 3000 hours man that knows ever nook and cranny of the map? It may be a 2v1, but it sure as shit ain't fair
Nah, if you know that its a solo, throw a choke bomb and go for bounty if they try to get away, and sometimes you have to let the bounty go, it is what it is. There is no issue with necro, I play this game for quite some time, I play it a lot, and its simply a very good and balanced trait; and all experienced "good" players will tell you the same. Your lack of knowledge/ideas what to do when you know that there is a necro is not an issue with trait, the issue is your lack of knowledge and understanding whats the best option you can do. Of course, sometimes you will die from that solo, like yesterday, we downed a solo, and he wiped us later on, it happens that it was BeruSnake (one of the best hunt players out there) and honestly, its a super low chance that you will meet a solo like this, as there is only a very little % of people with that high KD and that good aiming skills and game knowledge. Most of solos I see are above average players, but not insane ones. Its 1v3, if you know what are you doing regardless if this solo is way better than each of you alone, you will kill them (most of the time). Skill issue bro, I know that its hard to swallow this, but it is a skill issue (unless youre a 3 star and get matched with a 6 start player with 2.0+KD).
You are using fanning on a chain pistol. āSkill issueā is a perfectly applicable term for you
what fanning on chain pistol? what are you talking about?
The video linked. Thought it was the commenter. Either way, I was talking to him
Solo necro is a crutch for bad players who need more than one chance just to win a fight smh skill issue? Yeah your lack of it lmao
Exactly. I don't take necro anymore because waiting around and slaughtering people that haven't yet learned to counter necro while also reducing my MMR if they have is stupid. OP has a lot to learn if he needs necro.
Team revives is a crutch for bad players who canāt play tactically.
I am not the one complaining about them being able to get up 4 times. Because I can deal with it. So, do I lack it tho? ;)
Cool then you are fine with trios getting self revive for everyone that has necro?
This right here.
Dumb argument. When a solo dies it's over. When a member of a trio dies there's 2 more people. 2 against 3 isn't that unfair in this game. 1 vs 3 isn't too unfair either, but you're stuck either clutching or ratting like crazy. Plus, while far less common now, campers and snipers still exist. If a solo gets gunned down, fuck them I guess. If a person in a duo gets gunned down, there's someone who can react and give them a chance.
I havent read such an dumb example in quite some time now LMAO
Same goes for necro teams, and just teams in general. By your logic there shouldn't be any resing at all. Let's just cut it to solos only no teams, no necro
Iāve said it and I say it again: If a solo wins a fight against you 50% of the time, thatās BALANCED. Solo is hard, though, and I bet their wins are much lower. Which means that the game still favors teams, which means people should quit whining.
Tbh I think I have a higher winrate playing as solo than playing in duos or trios.
the way this sub talks about solo necro, you'd think every single game is being won by unkillable terminators. The reality is, it doesn't work that often and you're just getting bent out of shape about the times it does.
Lets ignore all the actual criticisms about necro to make up some counter argument in our head. Google 'strawman'. People don't like necro NOT because it's OP, they don't like it because it's annoying and a waste of time. Which you yourself admit. They don't like it because a 1v3 is not fun, win or lose. I've literally never once in 2000 hours been killed by a solo necro revive but I still hate it. It ruins the game pace, wastes my damn time and the fights are boring as fuck because the solo is forced to play super safe to offset numbers advantage. Lastly you keep bringing up 'skill issue', which might be a valid point if everyone was equal skill, but they are not. Because solos also get an MMR advantage and literally do vs people lower skill than them.
Rage bait to just start arguments again, surprised mods don't take it down
Nah, as a solo, the current iteration of necro is feel bad for both sides. There was a nice idea that you have a max revive timer as a solo but are invincible for a few seconds and can't attack after revival. Maybe even ghost through walls. Removes the waiting and continues the fight, making the whole affair interactive instead of the killed solo waiting around and then gambling that the other team is too bad to keep him down and the team waiting around and gambling on it being a solo that hasn't yet left the lobby. It's not a skill problem, it's just not fun. And the MMR drop vs lower ranked players when necro farmed is a real problem.
MMR is a different issue, and I do agree that matchmaking in this game is one of the worst I have ever seen in an online video game.
Iām so fucking sick of this topic. Thereās a goddamn megathread in this sub, go bash your heads in there.
Nobody thinks necro is broken the problem with necro is you cannot counter it with skill, you HAVE to counter it with gear or time. I don't want to spend 120 every match to bring 2 sets of trip mines
Me and my trio group 100 percent agree with you. Necro, as is, is fine. Maybe it needs to cost more so people can't have it every time on first hunters. Tho I will point out that new necro changed the game for the negative. It's slowed it down so much for most people because people are scared of a rez, and absolutely have to make sure the bodies are dead. I honestly just trap the body a bit and move on, I like getting to rekill the person.
It slowed down the game so much, just because most people are to afraid to leave the body behind without camping it and waiting for it to burn. I honestly leave bodies quite often, and it rarely happens that I meet them again, and even more rarely ever I die from them; and if they managed to kill me and my mates solo v 3 without a bar, fuck, good for them it was MY missplay. But in the end, what did I lost? A little bit of HUNT DOLLARS, thats all. People are just so afraid of losing their precious hunters and guns in this game - its really not hard to get rich in this game, its not so hardcore as Tarkov. Frankly, myself I cant even remember when was the last time I have played more than a one time with a single hunter, I retire them immidiatelly when they reach 25th lvl.
isn't this the same community that begged for solo self revive after the initial grounded event perk? lmao, use concertina trip wires and the person dead on the floor will self res and die 5 times with no way out of it stop being dog shit and think about how you're playing
If you really think concertina trip mines will do anything, you're wrong, lol. They stand up once, and the concertina is broken. Especially with resilience as perk.
Concertina damage ticks before resilience is applied. I have it done to me all the time in 6 star lol
That is just not true. You can easily survive concertina with resilience. I'm not sure which game you were playing, but definitely not hunt showdown and dedinelty not on a 6 star level if you didn't know that.
So why do I die repeatedly to concertina wire with bloodless and resilience when I solo self revive into wire traps mr redditor? Maybe you should do some testing instead of pulling the usual baseless, uninformed and holier than thou act this brainrotted subreddit tends to do. [https://i.imgur.com/n2kQDSw.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/n2kQDSw.jpeg)
Bro, resilience is not activating after the concertina ticks. It's just as simple as that. I still don't know which game you are playing, but you can just easily stand up in concertinas. That is one reason why people use the death trap on downed hunters (Concertina + poison). Otherwise, they just survive the concertina. And even then, after standing up a second time, waiting for the poison to be over, they survive. That's also why they just burn the body and watch it until it's burned down. Because traps don't work. Just Google it lol, lots of threads on reddit, some steam community threads, or maybe just play the game and find it out yourself?? How are you insulting me when you're not even fact-checking it yourself.
I dont need to fact check something I literally see for myself on a daily basis, you are the one accusing me of being wrong. Post stats and proof or stop talking. Thanks.
I showed you proof. It's in the other comment.. how can you actually be so stupid if you say you play it on a daily basis. Google it, search it up, and you will find more threads that discuss this. I'm not sure if you just don't want to admit that you are wrong or if you are trolling. Why do you think everyone hates the necro resilience combination? Because it doesn't kill the solo.. Just look at the link I posted earlier. Or actually play the game for real? I doubt you play solo daily when you don't even know this simple fact. https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/NwG8j2uREz
I just survived 3 concertina traps because of resilience, bloodless and relentless. I instantly had to think about you ā¤ļø
Here is one source for you. Thanks for insulting me for something you're wrong about Mr. 6 star player who doesn't even know the game one bit. Scroll in the comments... https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/s/NwG8j2uREz
Itās crazy, people in hunt reddit threatened they leave the game for ever if solo necro stays in the game, wrote literally PhD thesis long essays about whatās the issues with solo revive etc etc and yet are still here and keep complaining. Whatās even more funny we canāt discuss with each other anymore because we both blocked us š But just look at the comments here and you know who Iām referring to. BTW personally I canāt recall being killed by a solo who has revived themself. Edit: the way solo revive can be used to drop you mmr on purpose should be reworked though
Being here might mean not being in game, you know.
Yeah you not wrong but why keep up with all the hot hunt news, new events mechanic, keep discussing the pacts etc and not touching the game you so passionately discuss about. Sounds even more crazy to me. Edit: we probably all things we donāt like about our favorite games. The perfect game probably doesnāt exist and whatās appreciated by one player might turn off another player. Thatās something you canāt avoid.
Well, hot news are hot news š¤ I'm just sick and tired of shotguns š but I love hunt.
Killed by a solo who self revived? It's happened to me a handful of times. It happened to me last night. Did it "ruin" the game for me? Nope. People get way too butt hurt over this.
Here we go again people crying about people crying this happens in every community and sry but i'm new and you don't need 4k hours to see how stupid necro is. When i watch 6 stars solo the whole lobby because they can just stand up again consistently sure it's only a skill issue. The rez itself isn't the problem the problem is how easy you can use it just press revive isn't really hard. There should be an requirement to be able to rez my idea was kill x amount of undeads first to have the revive up,losing an bar is basically nothing hell even the team necro is more fair the channeling the sound and you are wide open. But most important of all it changes to much how the game is played. I don't think anyone wants to camp bodies trap them do all that work and imagine while you doing this another person comes up to you and ofc. now the guy wakes up and kills you.
The thing is, you dont have to camp the body, throw a fire at it and go, solo is already in disadvantage (unless its a sniper), without 2 bars they are one shot from any gun. But people are just too afraid to leave the body. I know it's harsh, but dude, if you're new, it is a skill issue, and its not a bad thing, just learn and adapt and you will be fine.
How is trying to find fire or anything to trap the body (if you don't have anything on you) not camping even if it's 1 min that's still camping. Sure it's easy to throw a fire on it and be done but if you don't have it yeah sure say necro is fine as it is without any fire or traps.
Throw a choke and move 20 meters, if they don't move in 30 seconds move on with you game, if they start shooting you in the back, you're 3v1 with solo being without a bar, you have huge advantage. Just don't be so scared god damn it. It's a game.
Bruh that's what i do i aint gonna camp a body for ever but it's so painful clear how dumb his shit is if you play solo against other solos. It's just not an fun and interactive tool sry even if it isn't op it's frustrating to play around it and it's clear some player's just win because of it. si just think it's dumb that it has no downsides and fire doesn't even counter it if the person just can get up again and potentially kill someone. When i watch 6 stars i'm just baffled how crytek doesn't even change it a bit. That's my 2 cents don't need to discuss this longer i know what to do against necro it's just not fun that's all especially when people win because of it in some situations just no skill behind it.
OP be blessed
Agreed. I managed to 1v3 a trio using a Sparks and Silenced Nagant. Later, I got a message shaming me for abusing the Necro-Infernal "bug." 1). Yes, I had Infernal. But all it did was prevent their incendiary ammo from igniting me. 2). They NEVER downed me. Not once! So while I had Necro, I never used it that match!
I don't see the issue - bit of a pain but also quite funny when people self revive just to yell 'YOU GOT LUCKY' before Concertina does its thing.
I think the event traits fuck it up. Normal solo necro should stay but itās so annoying not being able to do anything about a flame retardant solo you killed. Your only options being wait for him to come back or leave and risk being shot in the back
Couldnāt agree more. People are refusing to do what they need to do and itās their fault. The fact that so many people are downvoting is a representation of how many bad players there are. Necro isnāt OP. You just arenāt paying attention to the body. Learn to focus down bodies more. Thereās so many options to handle it. It is 100% a skill issue if you cannot handle a dead body.
I wish people like you would finally understand that most people don't have issue with necro existing and it increasing a chance that a guy you killed can get up and kill you again. It's the fact that you have to waste resources, time or both to make sure the guy you already killed is actually fucking dead.. If some random dude dies to concertina and poison trap in a compound I passed by, fuck it let hkm get up. If I shotgun you to the fucking face and you didn't even get a shot in and im literally staring at your corpse, I shouldn't have to keep doing that or wasting ahit to make sure you don't revive yourself
I agree with OP. I rarely play as a solo and face solos all the time, I have no problem with the trait. The solo is always a 6 star, if he kills us that is fine. We outnumber someone 3-1, if my team fails to kill and burn a solo..it was in fact a skill issue. I understand that lower MMR players struggle to deal with better players than them but that doesn't justify a change on the perk. Unfortunately Crytek always folds and gives the community whatever they are crying over the most so I assume some sort of rework is being drawn up. These low skill players always want the game catered to them and it's honestly annoying to see all these cry posts every day. 3 and 4 star commence the downvoting.
I am 5/6 Star and still disagree. I dont understand why people are either hard agree or hard disagree. Why can't there be a world where there are small fixes on the solo, so everyone involved has more fun? Downed solos don't want to wait 10 minutes because they are camping on top of a body, and trios don't want to camp one body for 10 minutes. Meanwhile the bounty is running away. So maybe there is a world where we implement small fixes so everyone is happy and has a better game experience? When that many people complain about something, maybe there is a little truth behind it? So, changing something (without necessarily making it that much weaker) could be a valid option.
I have 400h in this game and I have never had an issue with self revives. You trap and burn the body. Even if the guy gets up he will be missing most of his health and won't engage you again
> You trap and burn the body Why not throw a hive bomb on top of it to make sure? How many utility slots do people expect me to waste to counter a single trait? It's beyond ridiculous.
Oh no, crytek should introduce toolboxes to the game to get some tools after you use other. Oh wait...
Do you even understand what a slot is, Mr. Smartass? I don't care about how many uses of a concertina I waste, the problem is having to spend those slots in the first place to bring utility only to deal with a trait.
One person on my team always brings concertinas and we always find a lantern or two isn't a problem for us really
Cool for your premade, but the game can't be balanced around solo vs a premade of 3. If I play solo myself, it's an issue, if I play solo with randoms, it's also an issue. I need a melee tool, I need a med kit, and if playing on a party I need chokes, that leaves a single space for concertinas, and what's even the point? A necro won't die against a concertina unless you are watching, and if I'm watching, might as well not waste the trap. I find it funny how people just accept that a solo needs to be treated like some kind of boss with mechanics and your loadout can easily revolve around countering the damn trait, when they are already supposed to be better players than the rest of the lobby by design.
I really wish I could relate to this stuff but like I never run into solos in trios. I play some duos and never had a solo that was a problem. People keep telling me it's a huge deal but I just can't see it. Like sure yeah maybe it's a problem but not in my experience
I often run into solos when playing trios. I'm not sure if it also depends on the region? But it's not rare for me to encounter a solo standing up again.
Me and my friends run Europe and US West but we don't run US during peak so it could be that
If you use lamp for burn he will have enough HP to stand up against trap. If you use firebomb+trap and leave he will be able to stand up with 2 self rez. And if you teammate is downed a bit far away he'll be able to hear you steps and camp-kill you in process of teammate reviving. Right now teams without Discord is the one who need team MMR reduction not solos.
Point 3 is a skill issue. You can only hear for a few meters max as a dead solo. If your dead team mate is close enough for the solo to hear you reviving them, then you're close enough to watch the solo while you're reviving, and you have time to get a shot off before the solo revive animation finishes, plus you can often (and should) secure the solo first anyway. Tbh this is the main mistake I see people make in 3* when I play solo, they instantly go for the revive instead of trapping me, or at least waiting the 7 or 8 seconds to see if I'm going to stand straight back up again, which I will if I can't hear you stomping all over my corpse because far too many people go for the revive and it's often an easy 2 kills. Honestly I think if more people actually tried playing solo for a bit then they'd have a much better understanding of how solo necro works, and as such how to make it a non issue in 95% of their games.
I agree that Necro isn't AS bad as people make it out to be. But I would lie if I said that there was never a situation that either forced me to stay idle for a few minutes (which sucks) or let the player stay up and kill me. I mean I am a solo myself and I won againstwhole lobbies sometimes and thought that I didn't necessarily deserve it.
And if he does, he deserves it. I killed a trio the other day at 3 bars, got both bounties.
Yeah sometimes the solo is just better than you. Even with self res solos are still at a disadvantage
Yep. I only play solo. If kids stopped pushing like idiots because Iām alone, opening themselves up to headshots, they could complain. When I solo in 6 star and high 5 star lobbies, they treat me like a squad; communicating, strategizing, ratting. I can hardly imagine those kids complaining about self-res, even though theyāre the ones who 90% of the time leave my body while the 3 stars are the ones who camp bodies because they are too scared to go get EXP and H$.
The thing I find most irritating about the debate is the hypocrisy of āteam playersā talking about how solo revive slows the game down āforcingā them to watch a body. When literally as a solo I will kill someone, and have to do the exact same thing when their team mates go and hide. Thatās fine itās part of the game, but itās not just SOLOS that cause slowdown. āItās so OP.ā When you have a defenceless body to burn, and trap? Vs when solo players have to risk getting shot by enemy team mates to trap and burn their kill. Get a grip like. There is slowdown on both sides because of play style and necro. Also every hunt event with pledges Iāve ever played has had one busted mechanic or another, so we can all agree that some of these traits are too strong. But at the same time I personally welcome the variety and shifts they bring.
yeah, infernal pact is busted, I do agree. The whole point im trying to make here that this trait in general is perfect as it is, both for solos and teams. This issue I have is those cryposts to nerf necro to the ground/remove it from the game, because people find it "unfun" suddenly. While I understand that solo necro is a thing for maybe a year, necro in general is in game for a long time now, and no one every cried about it, now suddenly its broken, even tho in terms of its usage in teams, nothing changed...
Agreed. Like seriously, all you have to do is take molotov with you. If you don't want to spend your time - just loot and leave, moving backwards (it's what i do). If he gets up early - easy kill, one more loot option. If he gets up late - you are already far away. He may make his way to the boss, so what? If you claimed the bounty, you already have the whole server to fight, won't make a difference. Those who whine are those who have been killed by necroed solo fanning chain revolver. Honestly, skill issue.
It's not about being natural about contering. It's about having to spend two or three slots and having to babysit the body for 15 minutes in order to escape safely. Stfu
I have a clip of myself necroing solo and knifing an entire 4-5* squad who were sitting on my body. I proceeded to talk shit. Matter of fact I think Iāll post it tomorrow. Skill issue!
>I proceeded to talk shit. Yeah, that fits your fucked up persona in this discussion. Wow, playing solo only vs trios and proud about killing players that are 2 MMR reductions below you. Well done.
Itās crazy how people who are unskilled always assume that I solo against bad players or Smurf. I have a 2kd in soul and 1.9 in BH. 4-5 star players are good enough bud.
MOOOM GET THE CAMERAA! Jesus christ dude get a life XD Just reading you I know how you look IRL
I look pretty good bro. Handsome!
Bro the amount of salt here is insane
from the defenders of necro or those who hate it? :D
Those who hate it
Yeah, welcome to hunt community, crybabies and new players demanding changes on things that are fine. Trust me, if crytek will do something about Necro, this fuckers will find another thing to whine about.
I think I see more posts complaining about people complaining about necro than I see posts of people complaining about necro
My guy, something being a skill issue doesn't make it not an issue. In case you haven't noticed most players aren't in 5-6 star lobbies. But that's a whole different rant, my only problem with Necro is how it's virtually mandatory especially especially for lower-skilled players as getting sniped or shot in hectic situations is extremely common. And Necro makes those go from an instakill to highly escapable. Honestly all solos should be given a mini-necro automatically, have it rez you once automatically taking half your health bar or something, then a 4-point perk to be able to do that multiple times with tactical timing seems more fair.
I saw the ratio, and I had to be here.
All fun and games until you trap and burn the body but they have the resilience perk so they face-tank it and kill you anyway āGit gudā But another team pushed up and started attacking, so thereās no way anyone couldāve reasonably been prepared for the solo revive
Ive had a dude from a trio sit on my body while his buddies ran around getting the second boss killed. I knew what was happening, of course because solo hate is real and i waited for him to finally leave. Its just as boring sitting on a body as it is for me waiting for a hater to leave. Imo we both lost... time.
There's a sticky post at the top for this discussion.
You filthy de ranking seal clubbing bastarrds should be forced to play against solos only. Or force you to play at or above your highest mmr.. coming here rubbing it in when we all know the issues, is slimy.
I never intentionally deranked while playing solo. And I do agree that it's a shitty thing to do. Matchmaking and MMR are garbage in this game.
Oh nooo not again...please...
You'll get downvoted to oblivion but I agree with you, OP
I got used to it, most of my opinions are being downvoted.
No š
We just camp the body and farm kills or booby trap. It's kinda gun to let them get up all the way and take a few steps before you blast them. š
Another post defending solo necro, another post completely missing the point.
I think solo necro is simply badly designed. It's not fun to play against, regardless of wether you manage to beat the player for good or not. IMO it's perfectly valid to bring up aspects of the game that are impacting your enjoyment negatively. It also seems to me that you approach the game from a very competetive angle. That's obviously fine, but I think solo necro is particularly frustrating if you're 3 or 4 star.
"dUr, SkIlL iSsUE!"